Spotted: Captain Underpants (The Valley Recap)

Summary

Podcast Summary: Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge Episode: Spotted: Captain Underpants (The Valley Recap) Release Date: May 7, 2025

Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge delve deep into the latest happenings of "The Valley" in this engaging episode of Two Ts In A Pod. Their dynamic conversation unpacks the recent drama, character developments, and standout moments, providing listeners with an insider's perspective on the reality show's unfolding narratives.

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1. Opening Remarks and Personal Updates

The episode kicks off with Teddi and Tamra sharing personal updates, setting a casual and relatable tone for the discussion.

• Teddi Mellencamp [00:00]: "You're listening to an iHeart podcast, Two Ts in a Pod with Teddy Mellencamp and Tamara Judge."
• Tamra Judge [00:22]: "I miss you so much. I had with Dolores."

Despite some light-hearted banter about upcoming events and personal plans, the hosts quickly transition to the main topic: The Valley recap.

2. Overview of "The Valley" Season 2, Episode 4

Teddi and Tamra provide a comprehensive recap of the episode, highlighting significant plot points and character interactions.

a. The Santa Barbara Trip

The group prepares for a trip to Santa Barbara, raising tensions and sparking conversations about second thoughts and relationship dynamics.

• Tamra [02:04]: "The group's changing to all their race car outfits. And I'm like, wait, they're drinking and now they're going to get in cars and go on?"
• Teddi [02:24]: "She's always been super nice. Yeah, I think she just doesn't want to have anything to do with reality television."

b. Relationship Troubles and Drama

Conflict arises as characters grapple with personal issues and interpersonal conflicts, particularly focusing on Zach and Michelle's strained relationship.

• Teddi [04:17]: "When Zach opens his mouth, it's just something about him. He just kind of bothers me."
• Tamra [04:27]: "Everything he says feels like an audition. Just let it flow."

The hosts express frustration with Zach's behavior, describing him as overly rehearsed and insincere.

c. Jesse and Michelle's Turmoil

The tension between Jesse and Michelle intensifies, with allegations of infidelity and escalating confrontations.

• Tamra [21:18]: "If she were married to Jesse, she would be cheating on him too."
• Teddi [31:05]: "What am I watching?"

They critically discuss Michelle's stoic demeanor and Jesse's emotional instability, questioning the authenticity of their interactions.

3. Character-Specific Insights

a. Zach’s Emotional Struggles

Zach's emotional outbursts and vulnerability are dissected, with Tamra questioning his sincerity and motivations.

• Tamra [24:02]: "I think he's emotional because he really wants to be on that show, and that's where everything stems from, which really bugs me."

b. Jesse’s Accountability Issues

Jesse's refusal to take responsibility for his actions, particularly his substance abuse and its impact on his role in the show, is a focal point.

• Teddi [34:07]: "Why didn't he go, you know what? Maybe if I didn't do cocaine and was drinking and being an, I wouldn't be in rehab."

c. Michelle’s Image and Authenticity

Michelle's perceived lack of emotion and reliance on external validation, such as photoshopped images, are critiqued.

• Teddi [25:45]: "Serial killer. I don't know why people don't like us, Teddy. I really don't know."
• Tamra [35:21]: "If we don't think that we've added some filter... I'd use it."

4. Production and Narrative Flow

The hosts commend certain characters for their role in advancing the storyline, emphasizing the importance of characters like Jason who keep plotlines moving.

• Tamra [31:18]: "He's getting shit done. He's moving storyline, which is what people forget. We need that."
• Teddi [32:14]: "I don't like it when someone breaks the fourth wall."

They also highlight moments where the production choices, such as Jesse breaking the fourth wall, add layers to the narrative but sometimes detract from the show's authenticity.

5. Anticipation for Future Episodes

Teddi and Tamra express excitement for upcoming episodes and potential crossover shows, showcasing their enthusiasm and investment in the series' progression.

• Tamra [23:12]: "It's gonna be a whole Vanderpump Villa crossover between the Mormon wives and really Stasi."
• Teddi [36:19]: "I'm gonna watch the rest tonight."

6. Final Thoughts and Wrap-Up

Concluding the recap, the hosts reflect on the season's developments and tease future discussions, maintaining a conversational and engaging atmosphere.

• Tamra [35:46]: "Things would really be grand."
• Teddi [36:17]: "I'm almost through the first season. So good."

They hint at upcoming special guests and in-person gatherings, promising continued lively discussions and analyses.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Teddi Mellencamp [04:17]: "When Zach opens his mouth, it's just something about him. He just kind of bothers me."
• Tamra Judge [21:18]: "If she were married to Jesse, she would be cheating on him too."
• Teddi Mellencamp [31:05]: "What am I watching?"
• Tamra Judge [35:21]: "If we don't think that we've added some filter... I'd use it."

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Conclusion

In this episode, Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge provide an in-depth and candid analysis of "The Valley" Season 2, Episode 4. Their vibrant chemistry and sharp insights offer listeners a thorough understanding of the show's dramatic twists and character dynamics. From dissecting relationship conflicts to critiquing character authenticity, Teddi and Tamra ensure that their audience stays informed and entertained, whether they're avid fans or new to the series.

Transcript

[Teddy Mellencamp]

You're listening to an iHeart podcast, two teas in a Pod with Teddy Mellencamp and Tamara Judge. Hi guys.

[Tamara Judge]

Welcome to another episode of Two Teas in a Pod with myself, Teddy Mellencamp and Tamara Judge.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

What's up? What's up?

[Tamara Judge]

I miss you so much. I had with Dolores.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, I want to hear about that.

[Tamara Judge]

She apparently wasn't ready for. Hi, welcome to another episode of Two Teas in a Pod.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

She's like, what's that all about? Because I always say her name, but I love her. I love her too. I mean, I think I might see her. I'm going to New York on Saturday.

[Tamara Judge]

Rude. I'm gonna be at Wango Tango.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I know, I'm. I'm really bummed. This is a last minute trip to New York and I really wanted to go to Wango Tango, but.

[Tamara Judge]

But how are you feeling? Everything good?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I'm good. I'm happy to be done filming.

[Tamara Judge]

Is that your exciting news?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

That's my exciting news. And I am, of course every time I fly I get sick. So I'm starting to have a sore throat and I'm like, ah, come on. I just. I might don't have to film and now I'm gonna feel like for a little bit. So I don't. Whatever. It is what it is. But yeah, very excited to be done. It was probably one of. I know you missed the entire time I was filming this season.

[Tamara Judge]

I know we haven't. I'm actually kind of excited because we didn't get to chat. Really?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I'm not going to tell you anything that happened, but I want you to be totally surprised. Roughest year ever for me.

[Tamara Judge]

But also I. It. I think it's going to be fun. I'm excited. I'm excited.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, it's going to be so fun.

[Tamara Judge]

My only question is, do you think you're going to get the first seat?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I don't know. You never know until you walk out on that stage. Never, never, never know.

[Tamara Judge]

I do. But I don't know who's going to get the other first seat. And I know you can't tell me, but anyways, we've got to recap. The Valley Season 2 Episode 4 this.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Was a struggle for me. I'm not going to lie because of the fact that I have jet lag and I was just like, I'm trying to stay awake.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, I got up at 3:00 today.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

3 in the morning.

[Tamara Judge]

Me too. But I'm not even jet lagged. What the hell?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, I mean it's not uncommon. We, you and I are early risers.

[Tamara Judge]

But three was just titch too early.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Anything before 4:30, I don't want to get out of bed. Even if I'm awake. I just lay there. But today I'm like, nope.

[Tamara Judge]

Up, up. And Adam. Well, this starts with the trip as well. The group prepares to leave for their Santa Barbara trip. Aaron asked Michelle if she's having second thoughts about going.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

It's a step up from Big Bear. And now where they went last year.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, where they stayed. I mean, this place looked amazing. I, I would want to go there.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, it did look amazing. Like last year. Big Bear is a pretty sleepy town. That's why I like going there to escape. But I'm like, I don't know that I want to film a whole trip there. But yeah, Santa Barbara. I, I'm, I'm having a problem with Zach.

[Tamara Judge]

Hold on. We're not even to Zach yet. Because Michelle didn't ask. I know, but Michelle asks, says anything could happen with Jesse. I wish Michelle would talk about something.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Other other than Jesse.

[Tamara Judge]

I can't even get to know Aaron.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I have a question.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Me. Pick me. I saw that you were talking with Jesse's girlfriend at that red carpet event.

[Tamara Judge]

I was. And you want to know what you were wrong about?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

What? I like her.

[Tamara Judge]

I know, but you were wrong about who you thought she potentially had a make out with.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, I never asked.

[Tamara Judge]

From Baywatch.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Who was it as? You can't say.

[Tamara Judge]

I can't say who it is, but it was not who you thought.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, shocker. That I was wrong. Shocker. Complete shock.

[Tamara Judge]

But yeah, they were at the same cancer event and she's always been super nice. Yeah, I think she just doesn't want to have anything to do with reality television.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

She had a lot of nice words to, to say about you. I, I was dming with her Very, very kind person.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, nice. But then get into your Zach thing. I'm picking you again.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Okay. Pick me. I mean, when? I don't know. I just feel like anytime Zach opens his mouth, it's just, I don't know, it's just something about him. He just kind of bothers me.

[Tamara Judge]

No. Why? Because everything he says feels like an audition.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. Like he's always like, trying, like, you're on, you're on the show. Don't try so hard. Like, just let it, let it flow.

[Tamara Judge]

Let kids say, quit being such a. Try hard. It's too much.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yes, it's too much. Zach, just calm your tits. Just calm them down.

[Tamara Judge]

Your Toupee and just relax a little.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I need to know if that is truly a toupee, because they obviously talk about it.

[Tamara Judge]

If I ever see him, I'm gonna go up and be like, I'll let you touch mine if you. If I can touch yours.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Don't do that, because, remember, Kim Zolciak, years ago, was sitting in front of me, and I was, like, trying to act. Like I was grabbing her wig to pull it off.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, I don't know. Where. Where was she sitting? In front of you.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Happens live.

[Tamara Judge]

Something like that.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I don't know.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, that. On live television might have been a little bit rough, but if I'm just. I don't think I'm going to be on live television with Zach anytime soon.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, but if you're on live television, you're telling your husband that you're ovulating, it's time to get it in. Get it in. Like Nina. Ne. I was going to call her Nina. Nia and Danny. Um, I mean, I. She wants another baby. She's gonna be like Hilaria. She's got three already. They have twins, and then, like, little twins, and then one that's a little bit older. And now she's pregnant. Now. I don't think she's had the baby yet. She's. She's pregnant. Like, she got pregnant after Kristen, I believe.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, my gosh. There's a lot of pregnancy, but they're.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

A very normal couple on that show.

[Tamara Judge]

No, they're not. It's gonna take a big turn.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

It is.

[Tamara Judge]

No, I get into this group, Danny's gonna be. Because Danny. So this is all very bizarre, but Danny met Jax through Edwin.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Wait, wait, wait. Say that again. Danny met Jax. What the is Edwin hanging out with Jax for?

[Tamara Judge]

This was a long time ago, but Edwin. Edwin knew Danny because they went to church together. And Danny.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I was gonna say Jax didn't go to church with Edwin, right?

[Tamara Judge]

No. But Brittany goes to that same church. I think so. Anywho, Edwin invites a bunch of guys always to the Rams games.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh.

[Tamara Judge]

And so I think one time he had invited Danny and Jax at the same time. Or Jax. Maybe Jax was just there. I don't know if they were on invite basis, but they were all in the same area. They became friends. This was a couple years ago, and then that's how Danny and Jax became.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, Danny seems very normal. The relay Nia is just absolutely stunningly beautiful.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, I think we're gonna see a complete different side. Oh, yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Is he a dirty bird?

[Tamara Judge]

No, I think Danny is a worse drunk than us.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I don't think that's possible.

[Tamara Judge]

I think it's possible.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I mean, it's right up there with me, you and Kyle from summer house up to her.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, because we already saw that he's done some inappropriate things while drinking. That tops us. And I think it's gonna get a little bit worse as we go on. But anywho, she's ovulating. But then when we find out that he's leaving at night.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Those are words I never have to say about myself ever again.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm not my. I don't know if this is a side effect from treatment. From treatment. My tits are humongous. Like they could have their own zip code. They're falling out of the bra. I'm like. It was to the point where I was like, please, am I ovulating? But then it keeps happening. The boobs are ginorms. You can't tell right now.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

This is offset. Off topic, but has that affected your cycles and stuff being on all that?

[Tamara Judge]

I don't know. I haven't had a. I haven't had a cycle.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well then. Then that it obviously affects it then.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, I have not had. And I don't mind if this is on there, but I haven't had. I've had. I mean, sorry guys for tmi, but if you are also going through immunotherapy and radiation. Like I've had one day where I like spotted. I've had that a couple times. But like I haven't had a full pee.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, it's probably from your immunotherapy.

[Tamara Judge]

Probably the medications, yes.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, and you're on a lot of medications. So I went to my. Finally got into my skin check. I couldn't see my normal doctor because I went in because that spot, remember I showed that spot in my back. They removed it and by. They're gonna biopsy it. But she goes, let's do a full skin check. And then so I saw her associate and she's like, how's Teddy? I don't even know who she knew I was. Right. You know, And I go, oh yeah, she's good. And she goes, I'm going to tell you something. There's immunotherapy is doing wonders. It is amazing. And I said, I know, it's. It's. You know. And I said, she, you know, she had a win and there's tumors are shrinking and she's like, I'm telling you, it's good stuff. And so I thought made just Made my heart, she said. But she also told me, she said they are so busy with full body skin checks because of you, Teddy.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, thank you.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I know. Well, it's.

[Tamara Judge]

Thank you for telling me.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yes. You're doing good work out there. Just being open and honest. And when I see that comment, why are you talking about it? Do you know, stop, get off of social media. I'm like, I, I can't hold back from saying she's helping other people.

[Tamara Judge]

And also I like, if I would have gotten my skin checked and if I would have done proper checks, I wouldn't be in this situation.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

And like the. Or maybe I would have been, but I would have caught it earlier.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

She said a lot of people that have had melanoma are coming back in. Like, for me, I, I'm like, can you make sure you check that spot? Make sure you know, the one that I had removed? And she's like, no sign of it. But I did have three biopsies, but I don't think they're any, you know, no big deal.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, well, thank you for saying, I mean, and this is melanoma awareness month, so it's very important that we talk about it. And I'm excited that I am feeling good today. Yesterday was not a good day, but, you know, sorry we got sidetracked because.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I know we got sidetracked.

[Tamara Judge]

We have to do it. Let's do an ask ask us questions pods.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, yeah, let's do that. Well, we're going to be together on Friday, which I'm really excited about.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh my gosh, I'm so excited. We can't even tell you guys. Friday, but sometimes really exc excited.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

We got to make some tick tocks. We're going to do all the things that day.

[Tamara Judge]

We're going to do so many things and then we're going to by the end be like, are we done yet?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

No. I miss you.

[Tamara Judge]

I miss you too.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

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[Tamara Judge]

So they're on the road. Zach says his partner is going to. To SoCal for two months. This. There's a lot of Zach this episode. Benji.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Benji.

[Tamara Judge]

Benji.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Flat Benji. Like, flat Stanley. When they. He's carrying him around, I'm like, I know. Stop it. Make it stop. Make it stop. Make it stop.

[Tamara Judge]

Not funny. Then Jax is rage texting Britney during his 15 minute breaks in therapy. Hold on. I want to know what rehab you can go to and have your phone. Because I've even been to a wellness retreat.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

When I went to rehab.

[Tamara Judge]

No, I did not go to rehab. But when I was in the hospital.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

No, we took your phone away from you, especially Matt.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, but when I was in. At a wellness retreat once, they took my phone away. So the fact that. Where the hell is he? That he can get 15 minute breaks to rage text.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, I don't know. Was he there the full time? I. I'm. I don't.

[Tamara Judge]

I think he was there the full time. But then Jesse says Michelle hasn't even looked at him. And then in the confessional, Michelle says she plans on avoiding Jesse on this trip. I'm like, you two please start talking about anybody else. I'll do anything to not have you talk about each other or just get back together and let's fight.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, Michelle knows how to suck the air out of every scene she's in. It's always like, and. And. And. And I think she's A.I. i've. I've.

[Tamara Judge]

You think she's actually an A.I.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

She'S actually an A.I. she just. No.

[Tamara Judge]

What? Well, I just wish she could sometimes laugh at herself.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Very stoic. Is that the word?

[Tamara Judge]

Stoic?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Stoic.

[Tamara Judge]

That's what's still attic nothing. Stoic.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

That's nothing. That's just a word I made up. It's in the blonde. We should make a blonde dictionary.

[Tamara Judge]

So I have to wait. But I'm not actually blonde. We can tell by my little roots now.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

It's all right.

[Tamara Judge]

But I love that I touch my wig as if this. The. These my ombre.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

You're getting good with the wig situation. Thanks.

[Tamara Judge]

I got better wigs. The wig fairy. She's the wig fat.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

But also I was very confused as they're heading to go. I'm glad we cleared it up. But they're all like, binge drinking. And then they're like, we're gonna go drive cars.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I know. I was like, what the hell is going on? And why. What's with all the outfits? So they're in Santa Barbara. The group's changing to all their race car outfits. And I'm like, wait, they're drinking and now they're going to get in cars and go on? Like, I thought it was a very dumb event. I'm.

[Tamara Judge]

But then we get there, and then it became even dumber because then it was. They were doing little.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

They're like doing Sprint car racing, like, electric. Like little remote control cards. And I'm like, seriously, we're doing this right now? And they're all dressed like Mario.

[Tamara Judge]

And, well, and then Jesse's passing out white flags. Meanwhile, the entire group is like, red flags. I'm like, listen, we need. What. What's happening here.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I mean, the. The irony of Jesse handing out a white flag itself right there.

[Tamara Judge]

But I don't know. He's not bugging me yet.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Then Kristen is also ovulating this weekend. We have a lot of ovulation going on in that house. And, and, and Janet saying, I've never been to a NASCAR race. I'm white trash. But I'm not that white trash. I take great offense to that, Janet, because I go to NASCAR.

[Tamara Judge]

NASCAR's the first most expensive sport there is.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Is. Yes, yes. Eddie and I go to all. We go to the funny cars. We go to nascar. We do it all.

[Tamara Judge]

Then there's headlines starting to come out about Jax checking into treatment. And Brittany says to the group, she's like, hey, guys, please make sure that you don't tell Jax, because he's already rage texting me. And clearly when he's rage texting her, you can see that she's texting back. She's not.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

She engages in this and then complains about him. Brittany Block Jack's number until he checks out a treatment.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Like she feeds into his bullshit. It doesn't help the situations.

[Tamara Judge]

It's because it's a toxic relationship.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, get out of it.

[Tamara Judge]

But then she says, please, please, no one tell him. And then Jesse's like, what do you mean? Wanted to keep him posted on our trip. And between Jesse still inviting Michelle on this trip and then texting Jax to let him know he's real excited about this trip.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yes. I. I have to ask you a very serious question.

[Tamara Judge]

Yes.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

What do you think about Jesse's very small nipples?

[Tamara Judge]

I don't mind small nipples. I'd rather that than the big.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

That than the big puffy ones.

[Tamara Judge]

The puffy ones.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

The big puffy, like the guys that take steroids. It's a dead giveaway.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, no. And then they get the big pimples. On their back.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yes.

[Tamara Judge]

From the roids.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Roy nipples.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't mind. I don't mind small little nipples. I do mind shirts being unbuttoned that low. Jesse, when you're listening, you could have just gone up one more.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Was it Jesse that sometime during this episode took his pants off and he had on baggy gray butt huggers?

[Tamara Judge]

Full butt undies.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Like, but they were baggy.

[Tamara Judge]

They were like my nursing or like my post pregnancy.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I mean maybe Matt and Kaden enjoyed it, but I did not enjoy it at all. Like gray. Like who wears gray?

[Tamara Judge]

Baggy Also, you know Jesse, here's the thing. Like I just speak directly to Jesse because I know he listens. Jesse, the problem with gray is it picks up everything. So like, you know, sometimes you pee and then you probably shake your. Maybe he. He's one of those white. Oh, you're going there and then it's going to leave that little circle.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh God, no, no, no.

[Tamara Judge]

A little piece.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

No wonder Michelle left.

[Tamara Judge]

Just kidding.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

No, just kidding. We. No.

[Tamara Judge]

But I wonder if those underwear are trending. I have.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Are they? I would know. I haven't seen Eddie wearing butt huggers and I know. Maybe you can ltk them.

[Tamara Judge]

He. Jesse should ltk them.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

No, you should.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, you know I'm not. I should.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

But I would beg you to put a picture of him in his underwear and then put a link and then tag him in it. Please do it.

[Tamara Judge]

They were just sagging a little bit.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

That's in the, in the, in the body. In the booty. The booty.

[Tamara Judge]

Maybe they're old. You need new underwear, Jesse. You get fresh new outfits for everything. But any who then Brittany. And it like starts to get a little bit more dicey as they start this competition race. Jesse gets back into talking about Michelle, spreading rumors about his friend. And then apparently Jesse's friend is also threatening Michelle with a lawsuit.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Jesse's friend is threatening Michelle with a lawsuit. Do we know why? Oh, the friend. I know the friend. Oh, that friend.

[Tamara Judge]

The friend. The Baywatch friend. Not the Baywatch friend but the Baywatch friend of a friend.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

The bay much? Yeah, yeah, I get what you're selling.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, you get what I'm putting out there. Just.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Did Jesse know that Michelle was cheating for two years or and he didn't.

[Tamara Judge]

Care or remember what's your thing? Kristen told him he last year but.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I just thought it was a rumor.

[Tamara Judge]

Cheating on you for over a year. We don't know if it's true or not. She claims it's not. However, her daughter Says I love you to her boyfriend.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

So just Michelle, never. Sony. Showing any emotion is just so bizarre to me. It's like, hello, do you have a pulse in there? Is something going on? Do we need to change your batteries?

[Tamara Judge]

Every time I watch her, I'm like, I need. I miss Botox so much. I really. Now look. I have full movement everywhere. It's disaster. I mean, if there were bigger things. Then Jesse defends his friend by saying Michelle shouldn't have been cheating on him. And then Janet responds that if she were married to Jesse, she would be cheating on him too. Listen, I'm really trying to give Janet a chance this season, but nothing she says or does really lands to me. I know why. It's like she's trying to get a moment. It feels like somebody playing dress up on tv.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, there's just something that's missing. I. I can't put my finger on it. Sometimes I'm like, okay, Janet. Yeah, okay. And then I'm like, no, Janet. No.

[Tamara Judge]

I find myself going, where's Stassi?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I know.

[Tamara Judge]

I want Stassi so bad. She's gonna have her own show. She's gonna have her own show, but.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, she is?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Isn't she on Pumps, Villas or something like that right now?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, there's gonna be a whole Vanderpump Villa crossover between the Mormon wives and really Stasi. It's gonna be. I mean, I'm excited to watch that show.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Sounds epic.

[Tamara Judge]

It sounds really good then.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Sounds iconic.

[Tamara Judge]

Please. You know how I feel.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Back at the house. Santa Barbara.

[Tamara Judge]

They're back at the house. Zach and Janet talk about their friendship. We can just fast forward this part. Yeah, production told you guys, make up and shut up about it, because if not Zach, you have. You can't. The next trip.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And Zach, if you go on the next trip, I'm asking you, I'm begging you, I'm pleading with you. Don't ever cry again.

[Tamara Judge]

I take a break from crying. Let somebody else cry.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I couldn't take him serious in those tears. Do you think he was being sincere?

[Tamara Judge]

Yes. I think he's very emotional, but I don't think he's emotional about his friendship with Janet. I think he's emotional about Janet. Well, she's such a Janet.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

God. Maybe. Maybe Zach's ovulating. Maybe that's why he's crying so much.

[Tamara Judge]

But I think he's emotional because he really wants to be on that show, and that's where everything stems from, which really bugs me. But then don't you worry. They Bring in a healer.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, yeah, that healer really worked.

[Tamara Judge]

That healer. I mean, the fact that Britney.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Spiritual guide.

[Tamara Judge]

Sorry, Spiritual guide Britney.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Healing ceremony.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, they can't even stop laughing before this. Kristen is. And this part I fully felt. Kristen's crying. Um, know who really came up this episode, even though I can't remember his name.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Who?

[Tamara Judge]

Kristin's boyfriend. Luke.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Luke.

[Tamara Judge]

Luke. I. He was really likable this episode. He led it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

He was leading everything. And now, right now, we will be having this. And then after that, we will have dinner at 2:00 and at 3:00. Yeah, he was just.

[Tamara Judge]

He may have been the only one not hammered, but he. He narrated this episode for us. So we appreciate you, Luke. We need a narration because it's hard to follow without. So thank you. Lu.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I have some information.

[Tamara Judge]

What?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

So one of my girlfriends text me and said, oh, my God, I'm watching the Valley. And that Michelle girl that. That's dating Aaron, he was hitting on me. He wouldn't leave me alone.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, no, Aaron, the nice guy.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Supposedly he's creepy. She needs to go. And I go. Well, so is she. Oh, sorry.

[Tamara Judge]

His eyes make me a little nervous.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, I never noticed.

[Tamara Judge]

What do you mean?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Serial killer.

[Tamara Judge]

Allegedly.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I don't know why people don't like us, Teddy. I really don't know.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't know.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, do they like you? Right now? They just don't like me.

[Tamara Judge]

No. They're not gonna like me for long, I'm sure.

[C]

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[D]

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[Tamara Judge]

So what we do find out is they're, you know, they're all on the spiritual guide. I do feel for Kristen in this moment because she's emotional. I would be, too. And I remember going through, you know, IVF and not having things go the way that I want. And I. Can. I. I.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

You.

[Tamara Judge]

You put your so much pressure on yourself and then filming on top of it. I'm sure she's devastated, but we're happy.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Now because she is finally pregnant and she deserves all the things and shouldn't. She's pretty close to her due date, right?

[Tamara Judge]

I think so. I think so. But then Jason offers support to Jax in the circle. This is after a lot of additional things happen that involve Zach, but I'm able to move.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

We're at the Gratitude Circle.

[Tamara Judge]

The Gratitude Circle. So at the Gratitude Circle. What about how Jesse refuses to participate in the Gratitude Circle?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Come on, Jesse, don't be a little bitch.

[Tamara Judge]

And then why'd you have to pick Michelle when you had the ball thing? Which. The ball thing just looks like a balloon with writing on it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I know these two can't leave each other alone. It's like I couldn't.

[Tamara Judge]

First of all, I asked Dolores this last week. Do you think they're still in love?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

No, I think they freaking hate each other. And they're like. And we're not only we're getting divorced, we're stuck in this damn show together.

[Tamara Judge]

But we both have to do the show because we both want the money and the fame. Hello.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Exactly.

[Tamara Judge]

Should we touch on the fact that Zach did say the comment about Janet losing her baby off camera. And Britney told her.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, then. Then he cried again, right? Yeah, again. He's like, a way to have my back.

[Tamara Judge]

But, like, I didn't realize that was off camera because they've talked about it so much. Janet tells him, you know, in the conversation. Brittany told me about this, but.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, it just goes to show that.

[Tamara Judge]

Britney will do anything for television.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, that too. But I think Brittany's like, okay, I don't know about this guy here, but.

[Tamara Judge]

Then he said he was blacked out. And then I. And then they. Brittany also said that he almost had to get escorted out of Jax's. I mean, what do you have to do to almost get escorted out of Jackson?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Did he almost or he did?

[Tamara Judge]

I don't know. Because we don't have it on camera.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Damn it.

[Tamara Judge]

Why did they have to leave early? That means it was like post filming, like, the film.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

That's when the drinks really start going heavy, and then the shit really goes down.

[Tamara Judge]

And I'm sure Janet's known that the whole time, and so just let it go. He didn't say it on camera. He didn't say it publicly. He was a hot mess, obviously. Just like Zach. The fact that I have your side on something. Do I think what you said is okay? Absolutely not. But hammered at the end of the night, off camera is completely different than saying it on camera.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, but we saw Jesse get emotional, too, with. He's in the circle talking about his toxic situation. Then he passes the ball to Michelle, like you said, and she's like, huh? What?

[Tamara Judge]

No, she doesn't know what she's supposed to do.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

She doesn't know what she's supposed to do. And then Jesse starts crying.

[Tamara Judge]

He starts crying, and he gets up and leaves. Then we see the undies. But then Jan. Oh, is that where.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

We saw the undies? I couldn't remember.

[Tamara Judge]

I tried to sell the undies, not.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Tried to black out when I saw that.

[Tamara Judge]

You tried to.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I tried to black out.

[Tamara Judge]

You tried to.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I think that's why I fell asleep in my chair. I'm like, oh, God, what am I watching?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. And. But in the midst of this, I'm like, hold on. I have a question. Also, Jason brought up the Jack thing, but then, is he also the one that goes and checks on Jesse? He's doing a lot with keeping the friend group together.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

He is. He is. He's not really. He doesn't talk a whole lot on this show.

[Tamara Judge]

No, I don't think he talks a whole lot in general, but he's getting shit done. He's moving storyline, which is. That's what people forget. We need that. We need someone to move storyline.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

We need someone trying to move storyline. And then there's Jesse that tells him, get the cameras out of here.

[Tamara Judge]

But I know, Jesse, you broke the fourth wall there. I don't like it. Breaking the fourth wall for anybody listening is when you speak directly to production, when you're supposed to be talking to the person that you're talking with. And that is very foreboding.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Foreboding for Bowdoin, for Border.

[Tamara Judge]

More serious version of forbidden, I think.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Forbidden. I mean, the thing that bugs me is like, is there any good moments with Michelle and Jesse ever?

[Tamara Judge]

I haven't seen one. But also, is there any moments where Jax even in rehab and his recap, he has on his Jax grill shirt.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh. You know, he's.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, I bet you his jacks.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Had his sweatshirt, everything. And I'm guarantee he's got it on right now.

[Tamara Judge]

But why didn't he send us one? Because I would have worn it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I don't know.

[Tamara Judge]

Somebody sent me this shirt too much.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Probably doesn't like us. But no. Shocker is he says his bar still open?

[Tamara Judge]

Yes.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

No. When he said, like he was rage texting and he said something like, you took this away from me. You took my job away from me. Is he talking about the job of filming?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, I think he's talking about the show.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

The show.

[Tamara Judge]

That's why you're right.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Like, you took my job away from me. And. And so it's her fault. And I think he thinks it's her fault maybe because he. She threw out the cocaine. I think.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, because I think from whatever two episodes ago when the whole cocaine thing.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Came up, was he already going to rehab anyways before she even.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, but I think he couldn't leave re. I think if it was just their fight, I think he would have left rehab. But once the cocaine addiction came into it, do you think he went to.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I'm trying to figure out why he thinks she took his job away. Do you think Brittany went to producers and said or production company and said he is lit on cocaine all the time and they're like, listen, go to rehab. Fix yourself, buddy.

[Tamara Judge]

No, I don't think they told him he had to. But I think if you have two eyes, you probably know when he was on cocaine.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

And I would assume he is so frustrated because she's filming and he's not.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, it's so frustrating to me when somebody has a problem or they did something to create a situation that they blame the other person. Blame the other person. Like, why didn't he go, you know what? Maybe if I didn't do cocaine and was drinking and being an, I wouldn't be in rehab. But then you're blaming on somebody else. So I just gonna put it out there. I don't think rehab is going to work for him because he doesn't take any responsibility whatsoever.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, I think there are also. Those two need to stop talking, full stop for a bit. Also, did you see this on the world Wide web where somebody posted like, that she looked beautiful or something like that, and then he DMed them? No, she doesn't actually look like this. It's photoshopped.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Are you serious?

[Tamara Judge]

Yes. What a. I'm sorry. Just let her be.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, God. Why do. And what did he get out of that?

[Tamara Judge]

Like, and then Zach commented, like, it's. You know, stay out of it. Like, it's because he commented something. Having Britney's back. But, like, honestly, Jax, just what do you care? You've cheated on. Allegedly cheated on her a million times. What do you care if she sent a couple nudes to somebody? And what do you care if she Photoshops some pictures to make herself feel a little better?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I mean, what girl doesn't put a little filter on her face?

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, if we don't think that we've added some filter. If, if we had the Kardashian filter for our podcast cams, I'd use it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

We would be beautiful.

[Tamara Judge]

We would be completely. Our skin. Have a poor.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

We would not have anything. I wouldn't have this hair that's all burnt off. I would just be amazing.

[Tamara Judge]

You know what? Things would really be grand. But anyways, we will be back later this week. We have special guests and we'll be partying together in person, which is always exciting for us.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

So much fun. Can't wait.

[Tamara Judge]

Thank you guys for tuning in. And we're going to be watching all the shows and we're going to be covering Mormon Wives, Secret lives of Mormon Wives.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I'm almost through the first season. So good.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, you gotta. You better get through that first season.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

So good.

[Tamara Judge]

So we can recap season two and be on point, like episode six.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I'm gonna watch the rest tonight.

[Tamara Judge]

You're gonna love it. And I love the. The metamorphosing they do between season one and season two.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

They all have darker hair because darker hair is more in style now.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, do you see this?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

You're rooted.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm rooted. Can't. That doesn't actually work for me in real life, but it works for me on wigs. But thanks, you guys, thanks for tuning in and we'll be back later this week.

[C]

This podcast is sponsored by Talkspace. May is mental health Awareness Month, and Talkspace, the leading virtual therapy provider, is telling everyone let's face it in therapy, by talking or texting with a supportive licensed therapist at Talkspace, you can face whatever whatever is holding you back. Whether it's mental health symptoms, relationship drama, past trauma, bad habits, or another challenge that you need support to work through, it's easy to sign up. Just go to talkspace.com and you'll be paired with a provider, typically within 48 hours. And because you'll meet your therapist online, you don't have to take time off work or arrange childcare. You'll meet on your schedule. Plus, Talkspace is in network with most major insurers and most insured members have a zero dollar copay. Make your mental health a priority and start today. If you're not covered by insurance, get $80 off your first month with Talkspace when you go to talkspace.com and enter promo code SPACE80. That's S P A CE80 to match with a licensed therapist today, go to talkspace.com and Enter promo code SPACE80.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

You're listening to an iHeart podcast.