Straight Men Stirring Sh*t (Southern Charm Recap)

Summary

Two Ts In A Pod: “Straight Men Stirring Sh*t” (Southern Charm Recap)

Podcast: Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge
Episode: "Straight Men Stirring Sh*t (Southern Charm Recap)"
Release date: December 11, 2025
Host: Tamra Judge (filling in for Teddi: comedian Matt)
Topic: Recap of Southern Charm Season 11, Episode 4

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Episode Overview

This episode covers the latest drama from Southern Charm, Season 11, Episode 4, with Tamra Judge joined by comedian Matt as guest co-host (filling in for Teddi Mellencamp). The pair dish out their signature, unfiltered takes on the ongoing chaos between stars Craig, Austin, Shep, and the rest of the ensemble, focusing on blowout fights, manipulations, and the throuple situation brewing in the cast. Lively banter, inside insight from Tamra’s reality TV experience, and sharp humor keep the recap both relatable and raucous.

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Key Discussion Points and Highlights

1. Craig and Austin’s Blowout Fight

[04:01 - 05:17]

• Tamra opens recounting the aftermath: “Everyone’s in shock after Austin and Craig’s blowout fight.”
• Matt jokes about Craig's appearance and appeal despite chaos:
  • “Craig looks like the Hollywood Boulevard version of Jack Sparrow…yet they’re all still, like, fawning over him.” (05:17, Matt)
• Tamra: “I thought he looks like he’s been run over by a car. He looks like his mascara is running…” (05:31)
• Both agree Craig is deep in his “f*ckboy era” post-breakup, with women vying for his attention.

2. Shep’s Off-Camera Instigation

[06:05 - 09:02]

• Shep relays drama to Craig:
  • “Shep knew what he was doing by calling Craig and giving him that information even though it was off camera.” (06:05, Matt)
• Tamra provides a "Housewife's Eye View" on the off-camera gossip pipeline:
  • “That's called manipulating somebody. ‘I don’t know if I should bring this up, but I heard so and so was banging...’ Of course they’re gonna bring it up.” (09:02)
• They debate if Shep deliberately used Craig to bring drama on-camera, concluding it was textbook reality TV manipulation.

3. Austin’s Anger at Shep and Craig's Reputation

[07:56 - 10:01]

• Austin’s hurt that Shep spread rumors via Craig rather than coming directly to him.
• Matt asks if this was intentional drama manufacturing. Tamra explains this is a reality show staple:
  • “He got this off camera, and he's like, aha, this is going to be good for this season.” (08:37)
• Shep does own up to spreading the gossip, earning respect from Tamra:
  • “At the end of the day, I’m the one that heard it, and I’m the one that spread it, so I kind of deserve this…was a big boy moment for Shep.” (09:36, Tamra Judge)

4. Sally, Craig & Charlie: The Throuple Triangle

[10:06 - 13:10]

• Sally’s attempts to get closer to Craig, while both Sally and Charlie are involved in the triangle:
  • Matt notes Sally “is so just obviously feeding his ego. And you see the shift in Craig…” (10:21)
  • Tamra: “He’s like, you’re invited to the hot tub tonight.” (10:43)
• Discussion of Sally’s conversation with her mom about the wild party, and mom’s surprising suggestion:
  • “Would you ever suggest to your daughter that she should have a menageritois?” (11:31, Matt)
  • Tamra: “No. No. No.” (11:35)
• Sally’s confusion why Craig hasn’t made a move:
  • Matt: “Yeah, because he’s more into Charlie.” (12:06)
  • Tamra: “Maybe that’s his next year storyline.” (12:25)

5. The Art Scene & Dog Park Diversions

[18:00 - 20:05]

• Charlie brings art to Craig “to get in her pants,” per Matt.
• Tamra admits feeling lost in the art world:
  • “To me, it’s just about the colors. Like, I’m not a very colorful person. Even though I’m in red today…” (18:21)
• Shift to Molly and Shep at the unique dog park:
  • Tamra describes it as “an interactive dog park…a restaurant and a bar…thinking maybe I should open one.” (19:10)
  • Matt jokes, “Is that your next business venture, Tamara Judge’s dog park?” (19:13)
• The need for more from Molly and Vanita: They feel the storylines for these women are underdeveloped so far.

6. Whitner and the “Mommy Episode”

[21:14 - 22:20]

• Whitner’s family farm, dog-in-box commute, and calling his mom all highlighted as "cute, quirky" additions.
• Tamra: “I think they all called their mom this episode… it was kind of like a mommy episode.” (22:06)
• Comparison of the men’s machinations vs. what the women are doing on the show.

7. Austin’s New Cats & Domestic Life

[26:07 - 29:30]

• Extended riff on Austin getting cats post-breakup:
  • Tamra: “He’s getting cats.” (26:18)
  • Matt: “He’s getting pussies. And Rod says no return policy on these pussies.” (26:21)
  • Cat hair woes, litterbox placement debates, and taking cats on vacation all follow.
• Tamra: “Austin putting together all his cat stuff and not knowing how to put together the electric water dispenser…and how do you feel about the cat box in the bathroom next to the toilet?” (27:20)

8. Cast Dynamics, True Friendships, and Show Structure

[35:30 - 36:13]

• Debate if Austin, Shep, and Craig are real friends or just “show friends:”
  • Matt: “…he’s basically saying, all this time I thought they were my real friends, but really they’re just show friends, right?” (35:34)
  • Tamra: “I think they’re friends…It’s crazy that this show is driven mostly by the men.” (36:01)
• Both agree the triangle storyline needs to move faster, and that men’s drama is "messier" in an entertaining way.

9. Craig—Messy, But Good TV

[36:46 - 40:16]

• The hosts highlight how Craig’s intensity and reputation keeps things interesting.
  • Tamra: “I love…to see like, the explosions and the fights… yeah, I want to…I want to see people’s different emotions.” (25:19)
  • Matt: “Craig is very…he is like a charismatic person. Right. Like, he’s easy to watch.” (39:52)
• The cast's problematic and “dangerous” aspects are reframed as what works for the show.

10. Southern Charm as a Franchise

[40:32 - 41:39]

• Tamra admits she’s a recent convert, only started watching Southern Charm while recapping it:
  • “When we started recapping it…Then I started watching. So I am invested now. But I still want to go back and watch those earlier seasons.” (40:45)
• Calls for more Patricia, more behind-the-scenes info on Whitney’s producer role, and nostalgia for the show’s past.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

| Time | Quote | Speaker | |--------|---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|---------------------| | 05:17 | “Craig looks like he is the Hollywood Boulevard version of Jack Sparrow…a hot-ass mess.” | Matt | | 09:02 | “That’s called manipulating somebody. ‘I don’t know if I should bring this up…’” | Tamra Judge | | 10:43 | “He’s like, you’re invited to the hot tub tonight.” | Tamra Judge | | 11:31 | “Would you ever suggest to your daughter that she should have a menageritois?” | Matt | | 26:21 | “He’s getting pussies. And Rod says no return policy on these pussies.” | Tamra Judge, Matt | | 35:34 | “He’s basically saying, all this time I thought they were my real friends, but really they’re just show friends, right?” | Matt | | 36:01 | “I think they’re friends…It’s crazy that this show is driven mostly by the men.” | Tamra Judge | | 39:52 | “Craig is very…he is like a charismatic person. Right. Like, he’s easy to watch.” | Matt | | 40:16 | “It’s good TV. Stop trying to silence him.” | Tamra Judge |

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [04:01] — Southern Charm episode setup; Craig and Austin’s party fallout
• [06:05] — Shep’s off-camera gossip and how it gets manipulated on TV
• [07:56] — Why Austin’s mad at Shep and Craig’s role as instigator
• [10:06] — Sally, Charlie, and Craig’s triangle/ego-boosting
• [11:31] — Sally’s conversation with her progressive mom
• [18:00] — Charlie brings art to Craig; art as a disguised flirtation
• [19:10] — Dog park scene and discussion of Molly’s arc
• [21:14] — Whitner’s family farm and “mommy episode” theme
• [26:07] — Austin’s new cats and domestic storyline
• [35:30] — “Show friends” vs. real friends; cast loyalty
• [36:46] — Why Craig’s mess and drama keep the show lively
• [40:32] — Tamra’s journey with the show; franchise nostalgia

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Overall Tone & Final Thoughts

Tamra and Matt keep the energy snarky, playful, and honest—balancing behind-the-scenes reality TV wisdom with fan-level judgment. The consensus: the men are driving this season’s drama, sometimes outpacing the women’s stories; Craig endures as a lovable, messy center of chaos; and Shep’s low-key manipulations fuel the action. The throuple storyline is fun but needs momentum, while side characters like Molly, Rodrigo, and Whitner merit more attention.

Matt (40:32): “I did not [used to watch], but now…this episode, I was like, okay, I get it. Because…it’s a different thing watching men be messy like this.”

Tamra (40:45): “I am invested now. But I still want to go back and watch those earlier seasons.”

Whether you’re a diehard fan or a casual viewer, this episode delivers unfiltered real talk on reality TV mechanics, character motivations, and which Bravo cast members are truly working for their paycheck.

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End of Summary

Transcript

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[Tamara Judge]

Two T's in a Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamara Judge. Hey, guys. Welcome to another episode of two T's in a Pod. And today I have a special co host with me. It is.

[Matt]

Hey, Tabor Judge. Hey, Matt. It's Matt.

[Tamara Judge]

LAUGHING hi, Matt. So, Matt is filling in today. Teddy's gonna be taking some time off during the holidays. So, Matt, welcome, welcome. I know you've done this before, so you a comedian, so you put a little fun into it. So I'm. I'm expecting the most from you today.

[Matt]

Oh, wow. That's pressure, Tamara.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, today we are going to be recapping Southern charm season 11, episode 4. So let's just get right into it. So everyone's in shock after Austin and Craig's blowout fight.

[Matt]

Were you in shock?

[Tamara Judge]

No, I mean, are they really in shock? I mean, all they talk about is how Craig blows up all the time. So it's like, really? I mean, despite everything, they all sit down for dinner at Whitner's. I just love that name, Whitner's. And he makes a toast because, you know, nothing is like a birthday like throwing your own birthday party and telling.

[Matt]

People, thank you for coming and fucking everything up.

[Tamara Judge]

I know. Thank you for being here. Fuck all you. Now get out. It was a great birthday party that I threw for myself. You know, Craig sits in between Sally and Charlie and of course he does. It's like he's like this. Which one do I pick? Which one do I pick?

[Matt]

He is loving that attention. He does not care about either of their feelings.

[Tamara Judge]

No, he doesn't.

[Matt]

He just wants both of them in his hot tub.

[Tamara Judge]

He. Oh, God, are we gonna get to see that? He's in his fuck mo fuckboy era right now. He's like, I had a relationship for years. It didn't Work out. So I'm going back to drinking and screwing everything there is in sight.

[Matt]

Yeah, but what's confusing to me is Craig looks like he is the Hollywood Boulevard version of Jack Sparrow. Like, he is a hot ass mess, and yet they're all still, like, fawning over him. It's weird.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, the whole outfit. Teddy thought it was hot. I thought he looks like he's been run over by a car. He looks like his mascara is running down his face. I'm like, he could have cleaned that shit up. And he could have been a little bit sexier in that outfit.

[Matt]

Yes. It was the antithesis of sexy.

[Tamara Judge]

Yes, exactly. So Craig gets up to be away from Austin. Sally follows. Of course she does. Then Craig threatens Austin, telling him that Shep has information that can ruin his life. I love that he says that. And then he says, you know, I don't really want to get involved.

[Matt]

Right. Well, first of all, Shep knew what he was doing by calling Craig and giving him that information even though it was off camera. Come on.

[Tamara Judge]

I know, I know. But then he's like, I didn't want to get involved. I. Nope, sorry. It's like, dude, you already got involved as soon as two girls that you saw in New York came up to you and said what? I don't. I'm not even quite clear what was said. Yeah, Austin was, like, hitting on him or whatever. He's like, you know, Shep, he got caught at Bravo con talking to people, and somebody was recording him, and he was gossiping like a little bitch.

[Matt]

Yeah, these. These straight men are the messiest mfers on Bravo tv. They are so messy, all three of them. They. It's crazy. And they love it. You know that. They all love this chaos.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, they're all saying they're afraid of Craig, and then they show these flashbacks of him yelling. And then I started reflecting on my life, and I thought, oh, shit, am I the female Craig?

[Matt]

You would never show up to a party looking like that Tamara Judge.

[Tamara Judge]

No. Well, I've had worse outfits, but, yeah, I just like, oh, my God, you are.

[Matt]

You're the female Craig.

[Tamara Judge]

Is that why everybody's afraid of me? I'm like, I'd rather have somebody scream and yell at me so I can scream right back at them. I find that fun.

[Matt]

Right. That's why we watch these shows.

[Tamara Judge]

Exactly. So Austin and Craig are hashing things out inside, and Shep joins them to explain everything. Everything. But did he?

[Matt]

Well, I love how Shep. This show has been on for a gazillion years, and he goes to Madison. Should I go in there? Should I. Should I go in there like it's.

[Tamara Judge]

His first time filming ever?

[Matt]

Yes, go in there.

[Tamara Judge]

Yes.

[Matt]

We need all three of you to have partake in this conversation.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, Austin is pissed that Shep went to Craig for this information. Obviously, he was. Why do you think he went to Craig? Because I feel like he. Everyone's saying, well, Craig's not our friend. Craig's not our friend. And Austin, I feel like, and Shep are super close. Why didn't Shep just call Austin, say, hey, I met these girls, and they were saying this, like, why didn't you just do that?

[Matt]

You would know better. So as somebody on these shows, right, if you get off season, off camera information that could potentially be a story, but you don't know, because it would kind of maybe blow up someone's life.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, you just answered the question. You just answered the question. He got this off camera, and he's like, aha, this is going to be good for this season.

[Matt]

But do you think that Shep was intentionally planting it with Craig because he knew that Craig would bring it up on camera? Right. Well, do you think their conversation really was. Should we bring it up on camera? Like, have you. Has that happened with you where you've called someone and said, I don't know if I should bring this.

[Tamara Judge]

That's been. That's called manipulating somebody. It's called manipulating. Hey, you know what? I don't know if I should bring this up, but I heard so and so was banging, so of course they're gonna bring it up. Yeah, of course.

[Matt]

So it was Shep being the master manipulator, actually.

[Tamara Judge]

Exactly.

[Matt]

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[Tamara Judge]

He knows what he's doing, and I appreciate him for that.

[Matt]

Yes.

[Tamara Judge]

Does Austin have a right to be pissed at Shop?

[Matt]

I mean, yes, it is, because it. But it is the name in the game, isn't it?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Well, you know what? I did think that Shep took ownership for it. He could have easily done what most housewives do and say, well, I didn't say it. I just repeated it. Well, he said no. At the end of the day, I'm the one that heard it, and I'm the one that spread it, so I kind of deserve this. So I was like, that was a big boy moment for Shep.

[Matt]

He's growing. He's growing so much growth on this show.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, then Sally confronts Craig while everyone else leaves the party. I can't take Austin serious with a headband.

[Matt]

Well, see, Austin actually looked Better than Craig for once, in my opinion.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm gonna agree with you on that one.

[Matt]

Wait, but we just real quick this. Because there is a moment in this Sally Craig conversation where she is so just obviously feeding his ego. And you see the shift in Craig when she goes. She says something like, you're just. You're a really great guy.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, I know.

[Matt]

He immediately just like. You could just see the affirmations.

[Tamara Judge]

Yes, affirmations.

[Matt]

He's like, you're invited to the hot tub tonight. Yes.

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[Tamara Judge]

I expected him to break out in a dance. I mean, it was just hilarious. And you knew exactly what she was doing.

[Matt]

Yeah. She wants to walk on his plank.

[Tamara Judge]

Exactly. We've had people. I've had people on my cast that, you know, all you have to do is say something nice. And they're like, oh, thank you so much.

[Matt]

Yeah, thank you. I forget everything that's happened in the past 10 minutes.

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[Matt]

You think of a great guy.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, geez. So the next day, we get Sally calling her mom and telling her about the party. Sally admits that she and Charlie went to Craig's house afterwards and she didn't get home till 5am her mom was like, what was going on there? Yeah.

[Matt]

Would you ever suggest to your daughter that she should have a menageritois?

[Tamara Judge]

No. No.

[Matt]

Bizarre.

[Tamara Judge]

I know. She's like, threesome. You're having a three or something.

[Matt]

I mean, I guess she's very progressive, but damn.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Not something my mom would say to me or I would say to my daughter, at least. I mean, she's 20.

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[Tamara Judge]

Who knows? Who knows with me?

[Matt]

Oh, okay. Give it a few more years.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. But Sally doesn't understand why Craig hasn't made a move on her, do you?

[Matt]

Yeah, because he's more into Charlie.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, I think that that sounds weird right there, by the way.

[Matt]

Well, because Charlie's like a boy's name and he. She spells it with an ey. I would be more into Craig. Craig being into a Charlie.

[Tamara Judge]

Maybe that's his next year storyline.

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[Tamara Judge]

So Charlie goes over to Craig's house to bring him some art. Isn't that sweet?

[Matt]

Yeah. And then he admits, oh, I'm only pretending to like art so I can get in her pants.

[Tamara Judge]

Yes, just like the boy he is right now.

[Matt]

I mean Seriously, did you enjoy that art? Would you hang that art in your house?

[Tamara Judge]

I'm not an art person, to be honest with you, but I'm starting to see, like, the beauty in it. I think I would. I just. Knowing that I know nothing about art, I would have to rely on somebody else to be like, what should go there? You tell me. To me, it's just about the colors. Like, I'm not a very colorful person. Even though I'm in red today, I'm just not.

[Matt]

You're colorful in your language.

[Tamara Judge]

That's a very nice way of putting it. Very nice way of putting it. So then we go into Molly and Shep. They meet up at the dog park, which I was very impressed with, this dog park. It was an interactive dog park, and they had, like, a restaurant and a bar there and the dogs playing around, and they had pools. I've never seen anything like that. And I'm thinking maybe I should open one up.

[Matt]

Is that your next business venture, Tamara judges dog park?

[Tamara Judge]

No, I'm gonna let Eddie do it. I ain't doing it. I don't want to be around dog shit. But it's. It's actually cool. Very, very cool. I thought. Have you ever seen one like that? Probably la. They have.

[Matt]

Those didn't last season. Molly, like, run into Shep at a dog park? Ran, like, randomly, I think. So is it with this girl at Dog Works.

[Tamara Judge]

Fancy meeting you. That she's very into creatures? I mean, yes, tubas and snakes and lizards and dogs, but we need.

[Matt]

Do you don't think we need more from Molly?

[Tamara Judge]

I would like to see a little bit more from Molly. I would like.

[Matt]

What is she giving us on this show?

[Tamara Judge]

Not a lot yet. Now we're, what, four episodes in? So we're hoping for the best. I don't know.

[Matt]

I don't know if you go. You remember the fight at the. Go back to the beginning. She had tried to have her moment with Sally, and she made the comment, oh, I don't know, maybe you were drunk.

[Tamara Judge]

I would like to see her go at it with Vanita, because Vanita needs to let off some steam.

[Matt]

That's not about Craig.

[Tamara Judge]

That's not about Craig. I feel like she's just not very happy this season, and I want to see Vanita happy. Yeah, she doesn't seem very happy.

[Matt]

Do you think that she, like, maybe is into Craig? It's one of those, you know, like, as kids where you're like, you pick.

[Tamara Judge]

JT all over again or whatever the guy's name was. I Don't know. At this point, I don't even remember what their fight is. Something that was said on Watch Happens Live, but they're not even interacting. And I'm shocked that the producers haven't tried to get them to interact. They just act like they're not on the same cast.

[Matt]

Yeah. I mean, the season. The beginning of the season was her storming out, saying she wanted to have the conversation with him. But then you. It was like, set up, and then there was no follow through.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Yeah.

[Matt]

On it.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, you know, what we got to see tonight was a little bit of Whitner.

[Matt]

Oh, I like him.

[Tamara Judge]

I like him, too. So he has. Is his family's house on Itchy Grass Farm.

[Matt]

And I don't remember that.

[Tamara Judge]

Itchy Grass Farm. So, yeah, so he's talking to his mom, and then he gets on his bicycle with a. With a homemade wooden box on it where he puts his dog and this little attorney just wheels it into his office. And I thought, could you imagine seeing your attorney pull up like that?

[Matt]

I. I would trust that.

[Tamara Judge]

Would you?

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

But I do like Whitner.

[Matt]

I like him, too. I like that. You know, he called his mom on camera.

[Tamara Judge]

I think that they all called their mom this episode. Right. It was kind of like a mommy episode. Mom, she's like, you have in threesome Whitner come to Itchy Grass Farm.

[Matt]

Whitner's like, I don't know what I got myself into on this show.

[Tamara Judge]

I know, but Shep thinks Austin will forgive Craig before he forgives him. Do you think that's true?

[Matt]

I don't know, because I guess because Austin and Craig are. Have a closer relationship in the way that they had, like, their podcast together and stuff. Right.

[Tamara Judge]

So is there a podcast still going on, do you know?

[Matt]

I don't think so. What was it called? Like, pillows and. Oh, God, wasn't it called pillows and something?

[Tamara Judge]

Pillows and baby talk. I don't know.

[Matt]

I mean, that's branding right there.

[Tamara Judge]

I. Well, we love them. We love all the entire cast, so we just throw a little shade here and there. But do you believe Shep's story that he didn't want to get involved with these? Which he called them, I believe. Is that what he called him? Girls?

[Matt]

I guess that's what we're calling fans these days.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm like, shop. That wasn't very nice.

[Matt]

Well, do you. Have you ever had anybody run up to you on the street when you're just, like, walking like it's been in New York when you're there? For watch what happens live or anything. Has anybody ever run up to him and given you information?

[Tamara Judge]

Like, no, nobody runs up and gives me. I mean, not like, information about my cast or anything like that. They'll just come up and say, hi, love you, love the show. But not like, hey, let's talk. I mean, people slide in the dms and things like that to try to give you information, but I always take it with a grain of salt. Most of it's people trying to. I have somebody right now that's coming into my DMs and saying they have information and they want me to sign a NDA. And it's not just me they're reaching out to. They're reaching out to a few of the cast members, and I'm like, no, thanks. I don't want to get involved. That just seems dangerous to me.

[Matt]

I. That's smart.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Matt]

But I do believe. I. Do you believe that these girls. I do believe that these girls ran up to him and said this?

[Tamara Judge]

I think so. I think.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Yep.

[Tamara Judge]

I think.

[Matt]

I don't think he made it up.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

No.

[Tamara Judge]

I think the part that's weird, and I think we already really touched on this, is that. Why did he call Craig to gossip if he didn't want to get involved? Just say you wanted to get involved.

[Matt]

No, he did.

[Tamara Judge]

He.

[Matt]

It's this. Like you said, it's the. Get someone else to do the dirty work for you. Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

And he's like Craig to Sally. I try my hardest to stay out of it. Yet he yelled, chef told me something that can ruin your life.

[Matt]

Yeah, that's. See, that's. I think when they say they're scared of. With Craig is. That's what it is. He's someone who will take the information, but kind of make you feel like it's a lot more explosive than it is.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Matt]

No way to get a rise out of somebody. I guess that's what makes him dangerous, but it also makes him fun to watch.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, I don't know if there's something wrong with me. Don't answer that. But I love.

[Matt]

Is this a whole different podcast?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, I know, but it's like, I love on the shows to see, like, the explosions and the fights and. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, I want to. I don't want to be there like a. Like a therapy session and watch housewives, like. So how did that make you feel?

[Matt]

Well, we can get little bits of that, but.

[Tamara Judge]

Little bits of that, but not. Not the entire time. I want to see people's different emotions and how they process things and how they deal with things. And, like, for them to say, oh, we're so afraid of Craig because he yells.

[Matt]

Yeah, that's the thing that. I don't think that they're afraid that he's gonna, like, yell. I think they're afraid that he's gonna try to ruin their lives.

[Tamara Judge]

No one can ruin your life but yourself.

[Matt]

That is very true.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay.

[Matt]

And also, it's not like Austin has been known to keep it in his pants.

[Tamara Judge]

Right.

[Matt]

Like, exactly.

[Tamara Judge]

And. And for record, they're not together anymore. Him and his girlfriend, you could tell.

[Matt]

That they weren't going to be together from the beginning. Opening.

[Tamara Judge]

Yes.

[Matt]

So calm down. And also, he's getting cats.

[Tamara Judge]

He's getting pussies. And Rod says no return policy on these pussies. So are these two pussies the ones that ran into Shep in New York? I mean, I'm just thinking, like, that could be a possibility. And then Chef's just blowing it up, and he's like, here they are.

[Matt]

Oh, I wish. I wish Austin would name the cats and girls.

[Tamara Judge]

And then Madison says the thing that I'm thinking. You're gonna have cat hair everywhere. You have cats, right?

[Matt]

We. Yes, A cat.

[Tamara Judge]

A cat. Okay. We have a cat, too. Do you have cat hair everywhere?

[Matt]

No, not at all.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Really?

[Tamara Judge]

I think it depends on what kind of cat you have. Now, my son's got a few cats, and sitting on his couch is like, you know, your.

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[Matt]

Spencer's one cat is so beautiful. You'd post it.

[Tamara Judge]

He's got two.

[Matt]

Well, the one he. The newest one, I think.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, the one he rescued from the trash bin.

[Matt]

Oh, that cat is so beautiful.

[Tamara Judge]

So beautiful. It is. It's like Siamese mixed with something. It's so cute. Yeah, but Austin putting together all his cat stuff and not knowing how to put together the electric water dispenser. And how do you feel about the cat box in the bathroom next to the toilet?

[Matt]

No, I.

[Tamara Judge]

No. Right?

[Matt]

Absolutely not. The litter box in our house is where no one can see it, smell it, feel it, touch it.

[Tamara Judge]

Right?

[Matt]

Yes.

[Tamara Judge]

It's like, it needs to be, like, in a laundry room or someplace. Like. And I get it. Maybe. Maybe it's a spare. Even if it's a spare bathroom, it's worse. That's the one your. Your guests are going in. Yeah. Why can't cats just. In the toilet?

[Matt]

Well, have you seen me?

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Can you.

[Tamara Judge]

I know. Can you train yours?

[Matt]

Ours is a real.

[Tamara Judge]

All cats are real.

[Matt]

Did. Did Austin say specifically what, like, the catalyst was for him wanting to adopt these two cats. Did I miss.

[Tamara Judge]

No.

[Matt]

The reasoning.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't think he did. Oh, no, no. He did say something along the lines, like, he wants. When he comes home to an empty house, he wants somebody to greet him because he can't find a wife.

[Matt]

I was just gonna say, is he subconsciously telling this girl, oh, I don't. I'd rather live with two?

[Tamara Judge]

That's kind of what I thought.

[Matt]

That's rather than you.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, now it's like, sorry, I can't come to your house because I can't leave my cats alone.

[Matt]

Well, and also, we'll probably find out she's probably, like, deathly allergic to cats. The girlfriend.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. That. That's gonna happen next. That will happen next. Yeah. So she gets the cats. Madison's there, Rod's there. They have the cats in a basket. Austin feels like he needs to get out of town, so we may drive over to Audrey's now. He's going to take his cats with him. I guess that's always great. You got to schlep the cat box, all that. We do that when we go to Big Bear. If we're there, Sophia's with us. Then we will take the cat if it's, you know, for extended period of time because it's not, like, nice to leave him home alone.

[Matt]

I mean, does your cat enjoy the car drive?

[Tamara Judge]

No. We have to give him kitty Xanax or something.

[Matt]

A sedative.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. No, when he was little, he didn't like it. Now he's getting. He gets used to it. So. But it's. It's not fun. And being in a car with a cat meowing, it stresses him out.

[Matt]

Yeah. Like, my son wait to take her to the vet.

[Tamara Judge]

She's like, yeah, my son will not put his cats in the car. I'm like, come to Big Bear for Christmas. He's like, I'm not driving with my cats. I'm afraid they'll have a heart attack.

[Matt]

Oh, he's such a good cat dad.

[Tamara Judge]

He is, like, such a cat dad. Like, I. I buy him things with cats on it. Like, he's that guy.

[Matt]

Oh, he's the cat dad getting cat socks for Christmas. I wish we got more of Rodrigo because I don't feel like we get any thing out of him.

[Tamara Judge]

Rodrigo. Like, do they have friends of. On this show? And then main cast. Is he, like, just a friend or something? Because we don't really get to see him. And I. Have we seen his husband this season?

[Matt]

No, this season. He has. I don't think we've seen him and I don't think he was at the beach party.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't think so either.

[Matt]

But we don't even get any story. Like we get home life.

[Tamara Judge]

We need some home life.

[Matt]

Right? Like I want, I need the, the homosexual representation on the show. I need him to go in there with the straight man and show them how it's done.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, listen to you. I would like to see more of or some of his home life.

[Matt]

Yeah, me too.

[Tamara Judge]

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[Tamara Judge]

What do you think about Austin giving Shep the silent treatment?

[Matt]

They're setting up the fact that he's basically saying, all this time I thought they were my real friends, but really they're just show friends. Right? Is that what you gather from what he what this conversation is?

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Yep.

[Matt]

And I feel like Madison because they have been so horrendous to her. She's relishing in kind of getting in there and getting in Austin's head and making him feel like they're. They're actually not friends, which I don't think so. Do you really think that they aren't really true friends?

[Tamara Judge]

I think they're friends.

[Matt]

I do too.

[Tamara Judge]

It's crazy that this show is driven mostly by the men.

[Matt]

Right? I know. It's interesting.

[Tamara Judge]

I feel like we need the girls to get more involved.

[Matt]

But do you think that the Craig throuple triangle storyline is interesting? Like, do you want to see Sally and Charlie fight over him?

[Tamara Judge]

Yes, I do. I do.

[Matt]

Okay, good.

[Tamara Judge]

And I want to see it move a little faster. And he needs to move a little faster. Like he's in a hot tub with a girl for four hours and doesn't even try anything.

[Matt]

But also, why are there not Summer house cameras up above that hot tub if they're going to be there every goddamn night? This is the second time which she said we were there till 4:30 in the morning. First of all, what do you do until 4:30 in the morning if you're not having sex?

[Tamara Judge]

I know, I know.

[Matt]

4:30 in the morning in the hot tub.

[Tamara Judge]

Unless they are and she's just not admitting it. I don't know. You know, Craig is very sensitive. He needs his time. He's so sensitive, he needs to sew a few pillows and then journal about it. I joke, Craig. I joke.

[Matt]

I. I think I could listen to you say the word pillows on a loop. You should do. You should do voice. Voice ads for Craig Conover's hello lie. Hello.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, but he, like, Austin's giving Shep the silent treatment and Shep is trying to get Molly to fix things. Like, yeah, you call him. Don't tell him that I said that, but you call him.

[Matt]

You know what I think? I think Shep is actually his manipulation is at work again because he's at least giving Molly something to do on this show.

[Tamara Judge]

True.

[Matt]

Like he's saying, get in there, help us figure this out and get airtime and cause some problems otherwise malls. We're just talking about your tuba. And I don't want to talk about your tuba anymore.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, my God. Well, Madison, when she comes over, she admits she was disappointed in Craig's behavior at the party. I. I loved it. Austin, Austin surprises. Friend, best friend betrayed him. But are you, Austin, are you really surprised? But Madison isn't. And they flash back to Craig's. You know, his. The flashbacks were pretty intense of him screaming and yelling and then I thought for a second, Craig scares me. And I'm like, nah, I'd probably with him just to make him explode.

[Matt]

Oh, my God. You said, at first I didn't think you were gonna have the width in there. You said, I'd probably with him. And I, for one beat, I was like, oh, she could say it.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm not saying it. I'm saying it. It's cute, though.

[Matt]

This is one other little point. It goes back to what Molly tried to call out Sally. And then in the flashbacks, we see every time they say to Craig, are you drunk? Are you drunk? Are you drunk? Aren't all of them just always drunk on this show? Like, that's the point of this show.

[Tamara Judge]

I think they're trying to insinuate he has a drinking problem. And like, we all, like all Bravo shows, we're drinking. But there's a difference between getting drunk and being an asshole and. And being having a drinking problem. Like, I always say I have a drunk problem. I don't drink very often, but when I do, I have a drunk problem. I'm an asshole. But there. I think they think he's got a drinking problem.

[Matt]

Well, he's been open about his struggles with other substances as well. Like, it's not like he hasn't admitted it.

[Tamara Judge]

So they're scared if he gets. Starts drinking a lot, then he's going to end up in rehab or something. I don't know. But you know what? He's the only one that's really doing much on the show right now. We lost JT and remember, he was the show idiot.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Right.

[Matt]

I mean, but also, Craig is very. He is like a charismatic person. Right. Like, he's easy to watch.

[Tamara Judge]

Yes, yes. Where JT was not.

[Matt]

No, that's. Sorry, jt, but yeah, but so who cares if he has a personality disorder as well as an addiction? Who cares? He's great tv. We want to watch.

[Tamara Judge]

It's good tv. Stop trying to silence him.

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[Tamara Judge]

But yeah, I mean, I thought it was a good episode. I enjoy Southern Charm. I don't know if you do, but I do.

[Matt]

I'm. I did not. But now I. This, this episode, I was like, okay, I get it. Because it's. It's a different thing watching men be messy like this. Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

So I wasn't, like, original watcher of the show. Like, I think when the first show came out, I watched a few episodes, and then when we started recapping it, was it like last year or the year before? Then I started watching. So I am invested now. But I still want to go back and watch those earlier seasons.

[Matt]

I want to see more of Patricia. So I. I think maybe she was more involved in earlier seasons.

[Tamara Judge]

I think so.

[Matt]

I would love a show revolving around that woman.

[Tamara Judge]

You know, Whitney's the producer.

[Matt]

Yeah. I mean, he's.

[Tamara Judge]

Isn't that weird?

[Matt]

Create the show, I think.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Yep. He's like, I'm gonna create the show and then I'm gonna have a small part in it, but I need my mom to be in it as well.

[Matt]

But I think he was more active earlier too. Like, I think he was more active in the actual story. No. Was he not?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Yeah. We haven't seen much of him this season.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Like, he's there. He'll show up to a party, but he doesn't really say much.

[Matt]

It's fine. His hair terrifies me.

[Tamara Judge]

It's always different. I feel like every single year it's a little while different. Yeah. But that's it for the episode. Guys, thank you so much for tuning in for episode four of Southern Charm. And we'll see you next week.

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