The Eds: The House of Judge

Summary

Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge

Episode: The Eds: The House of Judge
Release Date: January 6, 2026
Hosts: (for this episode) Eddie Judge & Tamra Judge
Podcast Network: iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

This special crossover episode features Eddie Judge and Tamra Judge (“the Eds”) sitting down together for a candid, lively conversation about health, fitness, family life, business, reality TV, relationships, and fan questions. The tone is honest, light-hearted, and full of classic banter and insight from two Bravo veterans who know the world of Housewives inside and out—but also share real-life wisdom far beyond television.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. New Year's Resolutions, Fitness & Health

[03:12 - 13:21]

• The New Year's Gym Rush—Myth or Reality?
  • Eddie notes fewer people at the gym lately, speculating trends may be changing.
  • Both discuss their long-term involvement in the fitness industry.
• Tips for Starting a Fitness Journey:
  • Eddie: “Best tip to get started is get started. … Ease into it. Take your time. The key here is to make it a consistent habit…” (05:49)
  • Tamra: Advocates starting small, like walking, and building up gradually.
• Why They Don't Post Workouts Online:
  • Both dislike performing for the camera at the gym—Tamra quips, “I usually look like dog shit at the gym.” (06:55)
  • They feel it becomes about “showing off” rather than the health journey (08:20).
• Peptides, Supplements, and Aging:
  • Tamra’s interested in peptides for health/longevity, Eddie is skeptical but tried BP 157 injections for knee recovery.
  • Caution about supplement quality: “There's a lot more garbage out there than actual good supplements.” (11:53)
• Resolutions vs. Goals:
  • Neither likes the idea of resolutions; prefer achievable goals and ongoing discipline.
  • Tamra recounts her fitness competition prep and how declaring goals publicly kept her accountable.
• Alcohol:
  • Eddie almost never drinks: “I might have maybe, on average, four drinks a year if I absolutely have to.” (12:49)
  • Both discuss shifting habits and new cannabis-infused seltzer product line (Venus Seltzers: “So good, too.” 13:40).

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2. Reflections on 2025 & Looking Ahead to 2026

[18:03 - 21:03]

• Financial Growth & Passion for Learning:
  • Eddie’s 2025 goal was to learn AI, but pivoted to learning investment strategies: “I realized, oh my God, I love investing, I love finance.” (18:09)
  • Takes pride in self-education, cautioning against ‘gambling’ with investments: “Know what you’re doing. Get into it and understand…” (20:03)
• Thoughts on the Holidays:
  • Eddie doesn't love holidays but celebrated his grandmother’s 100th Christmas, reflecting on family, longevity, and the impact of childhood activity on long-term health (22:25).

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3. Family, Parenting, and Blended Lives

[23:28 - 28:20]

• Adapting to Changing Family Dynamics:
  • Both discuss their adult children, spending time with their daughter Sophia and her boyfriend, and watching their roles shift as kids mature and bring new people into the family.
• Stocking Challenge for Christmas:
  • Tamra suggests buying only stocking-sized gifts for more meaningful exchanges.
  • Eddie fails the “stocking challenge,” buying her luxury gifts that wouldn’t fit: “You got me a Tiffany bracelet. You bought me a Louboutin purse.” (28:34)
  • Tamra’s gifts are more practical (“callous remover for his feet”), providing some of the episode’s funniest banter.

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4. Real Estate & The Big Bear House

[34:25 - 39:21]

• Buying in Big Bear During the Pandemic:
  • They bought their Big Bear house for both investment and family, despite market uncertainties.
  • “We love it. You did such an amazing job with it.” (35:16)
• Future Moves?
  • Conversations about expanding property portfolio (Temecula, Lake Matthews).
  • Stressed importance of hanging onto real estate with low interest rates.

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5. Life in Big Bear & Community

[39:19 - 40:31]

• Favorite Aspects:
  • Eddie: Riding his motorcycle.
  • Tamra: The coziness, nice people (“Really nice people.” 39:57); local favorite restaurants like La Pergola and Whiskey Dave’s.
  • Community spirit—stories of meeting neighbors and enjoying simple town life.

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6. Podcasting—From Reluctant Host to Fan Favorite

[40:31 - 54:01]

• Enjoyment of Podcasting
  • Eddie reflects on chemistry with guests like Edwin and the common ground found when interviewing other “house husbands.”
  • “My favorite part is interviewing the house husbands because we have so much in common.” (40:59)
  • Favorite guest: Joe Gorga for humor, but enjoyed all the men so far.
• Rumor Mill & Internet Trolls:
  • Both discuss struggling with online rumors (divorce, infidelity, “breaking up,” FBI investigations).
  • “These are AI stories. I broke Rugby's leg. I had to borrow $2 million from Alexis. Like, wow, I didn't know I had that kind of money hanging around.” (44:03)
  • Eddie: “Well, that's how propaganda works... It's some piece of shit person that's behind generating this through AI.” (44:19)
  • Legal recourse is limited; Facebook and aging relatives tend to believe every wild claim.
• On Andy Cohen:
  • Eddie: Would love to interview him, thinks it’d be fun (45:04).
• Relationship on Reality TV:
  • Eddie purposefully avoids drama to avoid upstaging Tamra or engaging in housewife conflicts: “I am not about to be a little bitch on the show.” (47:21)
  • Rarely gets involved in drama; would rather “smooth things over.”
• Production Flashbacks:
  • Old moments—like Tamra and Eddie’s early appearances together—never made a flashback during the show.
  • “When the door opened, it was like that…there was stars and fireworks, blah, blah, blah. It truly was like that.” (46:44)
• Impact of the Show on Marriage:
  • They make a point to keep the separation between on-camera drama and real family life.

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7. Support, Misconceptions, & Tamra’s Reality TV Experience

[54:01 - 62:19]

• Would Eddie be disappointed if Tamra wasn’t asked back to RHOC?
  • “At the end of the day, this is your thing, babe… I'm just here to support you and whatever decision you make…” (54:01)
• Misconceptions About Tamra:
  • “That you are mean and a drunk... when actually, you’re a bigger homebody than I am.” (55:04)
• Season 19 Was Her Toughest Yet:
  • Tamra describes the emotional toll of Teddy Mellencamp’s health crisis and navigating therapy: “I was crying out for someone to just hug me on the show. Like just one of you fucking hug me and tell me it’s gonna be okay.” (56:42)
  • Eddie: “That’s probably the most vulnerable I’ve ever seen you.” (59:50)
• On Filming & Cast Dynamics:
  • Tamra felt isolated and targeted, with little real support from the cast.

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8. Marriage Advice, Family, and Business

[60:56 - 69:34]

• Marriage Advice for Newly Engaged:
  • Eddie: You have to learn to communicate and deal with hardship (“You got to learn how to fight.” 60:56); he admits to being a “runner” who needs space to calm down after conflict.
  • Tamra: "Marry your best friend and somebody that you just want to be around all the time." (62:19)
  • Both reflect on blending families and the decision not to have more children.
• Guilty Pleasure TV:
  • ‘Landman’ (but Tamra missing more Sam Elliott scenes).
• On Vena, Their Cannabis Business:
  • Six years in, major industry challenges due to regulations, stigma, and recent political wrangling over legalization.
  • “This plant is changing people's lives… We're not the only ones in the industry.” (67:08)

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9. Family & Parenting: Blended Family, Pets & Kids

[67:47 - 75:49]

• On adoption: “Yeah, we got a dog instead. … His name’s Rugby. Yeah.” (67:47)
• They discuss their dynamic with adult children (Ryan, Spencer, Sophia) and grandkids (Ava, age 11), including a funny anecdote when Eddie is mistaken for Ava’s grandpa at her school.
• Sophisticated reflection on step-parenting and the evolution of their role in each child’s life.

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10. Rapid-Fire Fan Questions

[60:56 - 75:49]

• Topics include double-dating with other OC couples, Vicki’s return, relationships with Tamra’s children, and business aspirations.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Starting Fitness:
  “Best tip to get started is get started. … Ease into it. The key here is to make it a consistent habit…”
  — Eddie (05:49)

• On Posting Workouts on Social:
  “I usually look like dog shit at the gym. I get up in the morning, I don’t have makeup on, I have a hat on…”
  — Tamra (06:55)

• On Why He's on Reality TV:
  “I'm not about to upstage you or try to, you know, take your…[drama]…I'm not a little bitch.”
  — Eddie (47:21)

• On Gossip and Internet Rumors:
  “These are AI stories. I broke Rugby’s leg. I had to borrow $2 million from Alexis. Like, wow, I didn't know I had that kind of money hanging around.”
  — Tamra (44:03)
  “Well, that's how propaganda works. … It's some piece of shit person that's behind generating this through AI.”
  — Eddie (44:19)

• On the Hardest Season:
  “I was crying out for someone to just hug me on the show. Like just one of you fucking hug me and tell me it’s gonna be okay.”
  — Tamra (56:42)
  “That's probably the most vulnerable I've ever seen you…They all ganged up on you, and they still couldn't take you down…”
  — Eddie (59:50)

• Marriage advice:
  “You have to learn how to deal with difficult situations. It's really easy to enjoy each other's love and passion and chemistry… But when life hits you hard… you have to learn, for lack of better descriptions, you got to learn how to fight.”
  — Eddie (60:56)

• On Family, Pets, and No More Kids:
  “I've been raising kids for 40 years... Now we have Rugby and I didn't even want a dog.”
  — Tamra (68:14)
  “I don't regret it at all. ... Your kids were enough.”
  — Eddie (69:11)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Timestamp | Segment | |------------|----------------------------------------------| | 03:12 | Fitness, gyms, resolutions | | 05:49 | Starting fitness habits | | 08:28 | Supplements, Peptides discussion | | 12:49 | Alcohol, sobriety | | 13:40 | Venus Seltzers (CBD beverage) | | 18:03 | 2025 goals, learning finance & AI | | 21:03 | Family, grandma's 100th Christmas | | 23:28 | Reconstructive surgery, knee pain | | 27:10 | Christmas stocking challenge | | 34:25 | Buying house in Big Bear | | 39:19 | Favorite things to do in Big Bear | | 40:31 | Podcasting, favorite guests | | 44:03 | AI rumors/online gossip | | 45:04 | Andy Cohen & monthly couples podcast | | 47:21 | Not being caught in the drama | | 54:01 | Would Eddie be disappointed if Tamra left RHOC?| | 56:42 | Tamra on emotional toll of season 19 | | 60:56 | Marriage advice, family Q&A | | 67:47 | On adoption, pets, blended family |

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Episode Takeaways

• The Judges' dynamic is warm, sarcastic, and honest—offering real tips, real talk, and a peek behind the curtain of reality TV and life after “Cut Fitness.”
• Family, fitness, and business are central themes, but so is the importance of tuning out negativity and focusing on real relationships.
• Most poignant are their insights about vulnerability, marriage, and resilience in the face of both personal and public hardship.

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This episode is a must-listen for Bravo fans and anyone who enjoys candid, funny, and deeply real conversations about midlife, marriage, money, and navigating the weird world of the internet.

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This is the Eds with Eddie Judge and Edwin Arroyave.

[A]

Welcome back to the ed's Podcast. My name is Eddie. I have a special guest on our podcast today, my wonderful, beautiful wife who had this brilliant idea to give me a podcast. Well, her and her friend Petty and her husband. And you know what? It's been fun.

[D]

Has it been fun? You're enjoying it.

[A]

Welcome to the ed's podcast.

[D]

Thank you. Well, today I am your co host.

[A]

You are my co host.

[D]

Yes.

[A]

So what are we going to talk about?

[D]

I have a whole rundown. You know, at New Year's we got to talk about New Year's, but you know, everybody's New Year's resolution is to get fit. And every year we go to the gym January 2nd, it's packed.

[A]

I think that's changed. And we used to say that a lot because we were in the fitness industry for so long. It's funny because you get into your little bubble and you don't think outside into that. I was just at the gym and there were three people at the gym. And I went to the front desk and I said, I'm not complaining, but where's everybody that comes in on January 1st?

[D]

Oh, really? I didn't get to go because I was doing three other podcasts while you were working out. But I will be going later. Speaking of gyms, a lot of people ask, like, do we miss Cut Fitness?

[A]

I don't miss the business. I miss the people.

[D]

You don't miss the business side of it?

[A]

Yeah, it's hard to run a business by yourself. Be the trainer, be the business developer, be the sales, be the, be the everything. And the best part, in my opinion was the relationships I developed, the long term relationships I developed with our clients and members.

[D]

You know, 10 years is a long time. I miss, like having a place to work out that's mine. You know, I always called it the most expensive gym membership I ever had. Yeah, right. So it was nice to have our own gym to go in when we wanted to, but now we have a very great gym that we work out, little boutique gym. And we love it.

[A]

Yeah. Because it reminds us of our little gym.

[D]

And it's the same colors, it's shredders, it's.

[A]

It's really a cool place. And, and that's mostly because I don't like big box gyms anymore. I just, I don't either. Don't like what?

[D]

What do you, what is the best fitness tip to give people like your listeners because there's a lot of people that have reached out to me and said, like, why, you know, can you start posting your workouts, your meals? And like, why don't we ever. We don't really post our workouts.

[A]

You just want the tip. What? You said you want the tip.

[D]

Okay, just. This is a two parter. Why don't we post our workouts? I don't understand what you're saying. You're not funny.

[A]

I'm glad you're in a good mood.

[D]

I just did three podcasts. I know sweating and I'm hot and I'm.

[A]

Okay. So what's your question again?

[D]

Well, it's a two parter. Best fitness tips to get started. And I. People ask me, why don't you post your workouts?

[A]

Well, best tip to get started is get started. You know, don't, don't go all out hardcore. Kick your butt like, you know, it's gonna, it's gonna, it's gonna beat me up. Otherwise, I don't feel like I gotta work out. Just ease into it. Take your time. The key here is to make it a consistent habit or do it every day until even if you go into the gym and you do one or two things and you leave, at least you create that habit of going and going and going. Eventually when it becomes a habit, it becomes easy, it becomes second nature, like brushing your teeth first thing in the morning. But that's my biggest tip, is just, just to get started. And don't go crazy. Don't go crazy until maybe a year,

[D]

until you're ready for it. I think, like I always tell people that have never worked out, start walking. Yeah, just get out, start walking, do one mile, then by, you know, in a couple months, do six miles. And then maybe you want to go. Like, Sophia started out like that. She just did the treadmill and, and then she, when she was in the treadmill, she'd go walk the neighborhood. And now she goes to the gym with us.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

So it's just, you have to ease your way into it, that's for sure. I don't personally post my workouts because I usually look like dog shit at the gym. I get up in the morning, I don't have makeup on, I have a hat on. And plus, like, I could, if I go to you and go, hey, can you film me right now? You'd be like, no, I'm working out.

[A]

I was just gonna say that, that we have been doing this since we opened up the gym. And I hated it. Hated every single time you Wanted me to film us, you know, working out. And you chalked it up to, oh, you could only do one thing at a time. Yeah, I'm here to work out.

[D]

Well, you can only do one thing at a time.

[A]

I'm here to work out. I'm not here to show everybody, hey, look at me, look at what I'. But from a professional level, it's irrelevant to the people. It's more of a look at me, look at what I'm doing.

[D]

Talkers and there's doers. Right. And we're just like, we're just doing it. We're just doing it. Just part of life. I, I would love to have like maybe a day out of the week where we could film some workouts and then share them, but it's just never going to happen.

[A]

The only reason or the only purpose behind that is to monetize it or make money off of. Just doesn't make sense to film. It takes so much time to edit and so much time to come up with the ideas.

[D]

Just you're showing off.

[A]

Yeah. And that's the only other reason is like, hey, look at me. It just doesn't make any sense. That's why I don't like to post my workouts.

[D]

One of the things that I've been, in fact, I was reading up on it last night are Peptides and me and Dolores talk about it. She's a big fan of Peptides. And you don't even want to take Tylenol. But recently, like you said to me, you're like, I looked down and I saw my belly.

[A]

Really? You have to mention that.

[D]

I had to.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Well, I mean, we're in our 50s. Yeah, we're 10 years ago. It was a different story. It was easier. Well, here's to maintain.

[A]

Here's my take on it.

[D]

As you get older, it's harder.

[A]

I was in really good shape last year. I did really well. And you know, my goal, my number one goal is to just be in shape so I can ride my motorcycle and be better at it and, and keep up with all these awesome guys I ride with.

[D]

You're more about, I just want to be healthy. Especially after going through your heart situation two part.

[A]

Yeah, I, I want to feel good and feel healthy and I want to perform right. So it's, it's no joke. Going out and riding eight to 10 hours on a motorcycle, it's not that easy. So to be able to build up to that endurance, it's not that much different than when I used to ride 100 miles on my road bike, you know, so that's the performance side. I want to be able to keep up with my friends who are just kicking butt, and the other priority is just to feel good. I want to feel good.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

And to, you know, answer your question, I believe it's because when we went to BravoCon, I got home and I got sick and I got a relapse, and I was really out for almost a month and a half. I didn't do anything.

[D]

Yeah, I've never seen you like that before.

[A]

But I also ate, like, holidays, you know, I kind of felt sorry for myself and. And it's. It's really catches up to you really fast.

[D]

Right, right.

[A]

But the good thing is I'm pretty optimistic about it because just as quickly as I lost it or I gained the weight, I'm gonna lose it. I'm gonna get back in shape in no time at all. The whole.

[D]

Is your weight up?

[A]

I don't know if my weight is up. I don't weigh myself. I'm not a little, you know, it. Again, it's about performance and feeling good. But sometimes you get a glimpse of, like, oh, my God, that's my belly. Yeah.

[D]

Or that's my. That's my second chin. Or. Yeah, no, I get that. And you've always taught me, like, work out, to be healthy, and everything else falls in place. Now there's people that work out, and they take steroids and they take all the peptides, and they're working out just to look good because they're doing it the unhealthy way. And I don't recommend that for anybody. Honestly, I don't know much about peptides. I'm not gonna throw that in there. But when we're talking steroids and stuff like that, that's not good for you. And the peptides, I'm learning about it because I'm interested in it.

[A]

I've heard nothing but positive things about peptides. I'm not fully aware of it. I tried dabbled with BP 157 for recovery because I was having a knee issue, and then I just stopped there. I just don't like to put.

[D]

That was a pill, right?

[A]

No, it was an injection, and I put it on my knee. So, I mean, the whole purpose of that was to help my body, help it repair itself.

[D]

Right.

[A]

I don't know if it worked. You know, it's kind of like supplements. You really don't know if it's working, especially if you're not consistent with them. And the bottom line is is not all supplements are created equal. There's a lot more garbage out there than actual good supplements. So it's far. It's really difficult to find a good supplement company that provides real stuff.

[D]

New Year resolution.

[A]

I don't have them, so I have goals. I have annual goals.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

But I don't have resolutions.

[D]

I think if you stay disciplined throughout the year, you don't have to be like, oh, my New Year's resolution is. I mean, for me, I think of it as a goal. And I'm. I'm very. I like to live by goals because that's when you get stuff done. Like when I told myself I was going to do a fitness competition and I announced it, I was holding myself accountable.

[A]

Yeah, that's. That's probably the one time I've ever seen you committed, so dedicated to working out.

[D]

Yeah. And it wasn't even to a healthy point. It was too like, you. You have to be like that when you're training for a fitness competition because there's, like, no alcohol, there's so much food you have to take. Your whole day consists of, what am I going to eat, you know, how much am I going to sleep, what's my next meal, my next workout. Now, a lot of people do diet dry January.

[A]

I do try January through December. I'm not always successful. I might have maybe, on average, four drinks a year if I absolutely have to. And usually I have to. When we're filming and we're around everybody. Outside of that, I don't believe in drinking alcohol. I think it's a poison. And personally, it's just the way I feel. When I take a drink, I feel sleepy. When I take two drinks, I get a little bit of energy. When I get three drinks, then I'm happy and I'm bouncing around, having a good time. But then I feel it for a week. It's not working worth it.

[D]

The older I get, the harder it is to drink. I don't recover it. It makes me feel out of control completely. I mean, it always makes me feel out of control, but even more so as I get older. We are now drinking the new Venus Seltzers. 10 milligrams.

[A]

So good, too.

[D]

Yes. So we had two milligrams for quite a while now. A few years. And we just added the 10 milligrams, so. Which I've been pushing for because we do have business partners in this. And so we got the 10mg and

[A]

launched them at the end of last month.

[D]

Yes, one can. And you. That's all you need is all you need.

[A]

If you take two, it's. It's a bit much.

[D]

Yeah.

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What are you looking forward to 2026?

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Making more money.

[D]

Making more money. That's what you're looking forward to?

[A]

Yes. You know, last year I was going to share this about my goal last year, one of my biggest goals, and I shared it in our podcast when I was talking to Edwin. I wanted to learn everything and anything I could about AI. I think AI is going to be a big deal in the future. And the more you learn, the more you can use it as a tool, as an augmentation of your skill set or whatever you want to do with it. Right. So I started learning on it, but then I got sidetracked and got into finance and realized, oh my God, I love investing, I love finance, I love learning about all this. And I know you're falling asleep on

[D]

it, but guys, just so you know. So the past year he's really. He's been training with a friend of his.

[A]

Yes.

[D]

That was in the finance world for years. Now he just does it investing for himself.

[A]

Yes. Right? Yes. Teaching me everything he knows.

[D]

Yes.

[A]

Made a lot of money. And it's so far I've made a good, good amount of money for my first year. But I'm excited because I love the subject, I love the information and.

[D]

And you love talking about it. It's non stop.

[A]

I do, because I get it and I love it.

[D]

I don't know, like talking about insurance or something.

[A]

It's just for you. It is. But you have to understand this is a subject that they don't really teach you much about in college or even in high school. But even if you go get your finance degree, you become some sort of, you know, financial planner and all you do is take people's money and put it in some mutual fund and it's safe and effective and you make Some money long term, but that's not what I'm doing. I'm. I'm using some of our money and taking bigger risk and making bigger returns and having a good time on it. You know, there's a. It's a lot of work. I get it. There's a lot of reading. There's a lot of research.

[D]

Is it gambling?

[A]

It is not gambling. Gambling is a lose, lose, like you. You go. You put money on red or a number or blackjack or whatever, and either you win or you lose. In this situation, you do a lot of research and work and. But you can history. You can lose, and that's if you don't know what you're doing. So I don't recommend anybody to just jump in there and. And start throwing money at investments because you. Especially if you see it on Instagram or anywhere, if you see it on the news, just know that once it's on the news, people are talking about it, it's too late. Know what you're doing. Get into it and understand it and know that, you know, the way you make money. Real money here is long term. So we started last year, around April. We're going to come up to one year, and that's going to show you know how well we're doing.

[D]

Yeah. Aren't you glad the holidays are over?

[A]

Oh, you know I don't like the holidays.

[D]

I know, but the. I know you don't. You don't. We'll get into that. But you're. This was your grandma's 100th Christmas. Yes, and 100 Christmases. And so we went to go see her, and she hadn't been doing very well. We didn't think that she was going to see her 100th birthday. We had a big birthday party planned for her, and she took a fall, and we were. We were scared.

[A]

How ironic is that? We literally had everything set to go to this awesome casino. And that's where she wanted to go. That's where she wanted to go.

[D]

Yamaba Casino. So it's closed.

[A]

Yamaba is closed.

[D]

Yamaba was working with us.

[A]

He ended up falling, breaking her ribs. And we couldn't take her. And it took her about three, eight weeks to maybe two months or three months to recover.

[D]

But they put her on hospice.

[A]

They did put her on hospice because they thought her kidneys were failing. And lo and behold, she's back in charge.

[D]

She's getting up, she's trying to walk. She wants to work out with her legs and all this stuff. I mean, it's just.

[A]

But I. I guarantee you it's because of the care that my aunt has given her when she moved back in with my aunt after her fall.

[D]

Okay. But also, her bro. Brother lived to. 103.

[A]

Yes, yes. Her brother, he grew up in a farm. This is the first thing I learned about health and fitness and longevity is if you're kind of a labor person, if you grow up in a farm or you grow up, you know, using your body and working and moving, your chances of living a longer, healthier life are much higher than if you grow up with a silver spoon in your mouth because you have so many maids and so many people doing everything for you.

[D]

Keep it up your ass? Is that what you're saying?

[A]

I mean, there's nothing wrong. It's not their fault that they grow up with money and they're very privileged. I appreciate that and I admire that. But if you don't move, you're going to be living a terrible quality of life in the last probably 10, 15, maybe 20 years of your life. It really has opened up my eyes, like watching my grandmother. A lot of my friends that I ride with are in their mid-60s to late-60s, and their parents are kind of experiencing the same thing, you know, homes, hospitals, falls, and stuff like that. So it's scary. Yeah.

[D]

Well, after, you know, you and I would go to the gym, we'd jog on the treadmill for 30 minutes or so, and then we would go work out. And then after I had my surgery, my reconstructive boob surgery, which was back in July, I stopped going on the treadmill.

[A]

You did?

[D]

Yeah. And then my knees started hurting, and not. Not like a. I hurt them. It was. They're weak. And so now I'm back on the treadmill and I'm lifting heavier, and now my knees don't hurt.

[A]

And that's exactly how you get rid of knee pain.

[D]

Yeah. Work them, because they're just weak.

[A]

Don't listen to these doctors that put you on medication.

[D]

And, you know, sometimes you need medication. Edward, I know you're very against it, but sometimes you need it and you definitely don't need.

[A]

Most of the time, you don't need to get caught up and do, you know, a bunch of surgery. That's just my take.

[D]

Well, we hosted Christmas Eve at the house, and then Christmas Day, we left for Big Bear. But it's weird how our family is expanding.

[A]

It is.

[D]

The kids are older now.

[A]

It is. Spencer's girlfriend and her family is our new extended family. We have Spent a lot of time with them, enjoying their company. And. And it's been nice. It's been nice to have Spencer come and visit.

[D]

You see a different side of your kid when they have a girlfriend and then the family. And I'm like, look how nice he is to. To Jordan's parents.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

No, but Spencer's a good kid, so we don't really have to worry about him. But it's. It's. It's fun. Like, we had a great time.

[A]

We had a great time. Yeah.

[D]

And then we went to Big Bear.

[A]

And then after that, we went to Big Bear, and you and I and your mom.

[D]

My mom and David. David showed up for a couple days. They went home, and then Sophia and Nico were there. And it's just seeing a different side to Sophia now that she's in a relationship. It just.

[A]

That was fun.

[D]

It was fun. It, like, really melted my heart.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Really. Just to see her so damn happy and talk about a good kid.

[A]

Yeah. Nico is a good kid.

[D]

He is such a good kid.

[A]

He's a good guy. Amazing good guy. I mean, I don't wanna. You know, I don't want it to sound like I'm belittling him. Like, he's a kid.

[D]

He's 21.

[A]

He's 21. He's got a good head on his shoulders. College family, responsible. He's kind. He's respectful. I mean, he's. And he's good to her. You know, she's super happy. I gotta tell you, I think that was the first time we have ever spent, like, fun doing fun things with the kids, because we haven't done that in a long time. You know, the kids got to the

[D]

age where they didn't want to hang out with us, and now it's coming back. Now we're cool. Yeah, we're cool again.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

It's like, hey, mom, do. Can I take Nico to Jingle Ball? Hey, mom, can I go to, like, you know, and I'm like, now you want to go? Now you want to do the things that.

[A]

Which is great. Yeah. And the most important part is, what I was trying to tell you is I really love watching you and Sophia interact. Playing pool, playing cards, and just laughing and having fun, teasing each other, just like a normal family.

[D]

Well, you really get to know your daughter when you play. What was that card game we played? Cards.

[A]

Something against humanity.

[D]

Yes. Oh, my God. I'm like, is this. Is this it? Sophie's like, I can't answer this question. My mom's here. I'm like, Answer it. I want to hear it without. We had a. We had a great time.

[A]

Yeah. It was a lot of fun. Probably one of the most. Or the. One of the most highlights that we've had at the. Kevin.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

You know. Yeah.

[D]

Because Sophia would come, and then she just. She's like, oh, it's boring here. There's nothing to do.

[A]

She was by herself.

[D]

By herself with her cat, and now she's got Nico, and they were off doing things. And unfortunately, no snow in Big Bear right now, people. No snow.

[A]

That's okay.

[D]

But, you know, we had a. I talked about it on two T's, that we had a Christmas stocking challenge. Because you and I, whatever we want, we just buy. We just buy it. And we're fortunate.

[A]

Years we have been doing that. Yeah.

[D]

And then I'll be like, what do you want for Christmas? And you're like, I want this. And you go out and buy it. And I go, I want this. I go out and buy it.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

So I thought, you know what? Let's do something that's meaningful. It doesn't have to be expensive, but the challenge was that you have to buy items that fit in a stocking, which means they're very small items. And I told you, it doesn't have to be expensive. It doesn't have to. Just. Just to know that you went and you saw Thoughtful. You thought, oh, she'll like that, or, she'll like that. And it's. You know what I mean? Like, you had to put some thought behind it.

[A]

I just. I couldn't find anything that you would like that would fit in a stocking. I mean, I did, but it wasn't cheap.

[D]

Well, the things you bought me were not cheap, so you failed miserably.

[A]

I failed at the stocking challenge, however, but I made up for it.

[D]

He bought me some expensive stuff, and, you know, you won on that side. You got me a Tiffany bracelet. You bought me a Louboutin purse. And I'm like, babe, they don't fit in the stocking. Like, I knew you would like an asshole, because I got you, like, the. The most expensive thing I got you was meta.

[A]

The callus remover.

[D]

I got him callous remover for his feet.

[A]

Merry Christmas, Eddie. Your feet are dry as hell. And maybe you can use this to wipe your ass someday.

[D]

But I also got you the meta

[A]

glasses, the Ray Bangladeshes. They're pretty cool.

[D]

Pretty. It's not purdy.

[A]

Whatever.

[D]

Told you the word is purdy.

[A]

Technical. I mean, it doesn't matter. You understand what I'm saying.

[D]

But it's not correct.

[A]

It doesn't matter, Purdy.

[D]

You sound like you're from another state.

[A]

I show, okay?

[D]

Oh my God. Yeah, well, the problem is you wait last minute to do everything.

[A]

Not everything.

[D]

If we have to go out to dinner at we have to leave at 7:00'. Clock. He gets in the shower at 6:50.

[A]

It doesn't take me that long to get ready.

[D]

Somehow you always pull it off. But then it's like, oh shit, I gotta go feed the dog now I gotta take the dog out. Oh, I gotta do this. And I'm like, just plan like I'm like ready. You're not ready.

[A]

It takes you like you got. You start getting ready on Tuesday for what we're gonna do on Thursday. Come on, I don't need that much time.

[B]

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[D]

We got a lot of questions about Big Bear. Oh, yeah, and we. We love it. We didn't know that we were gonna love it as much as we did. It took me, what, two years to talk you into buying a house in Big Bear now? It was during the pandemic. We all know what happened to the prices during the pandemic. And we saw Them going up. And you kept saying, no, no, no, I don't want to buy because the market's going to crack. Well, the market has not fucking crashed, and it's been five years later. So we ended up buying and we got a house, and I wanted to do it for investment reasons, and then we could go and stay when we wanted, but we would rent it out. Well, that didn't happen. So we bought the house in Big Bear. And it was reasonably priced. It wasn't like some gigantic house in Big Bear. And it was a little overpriced. It was overpriced? Yeah. For the. The market, it was overpriced. But that's what we were seeing back then.

[A]

But we love it. Yeah.

[D]

It's been two years.

[A]

You did such an amazing job with it.

[D]

I'm not done with it, sweetie. I'm not done. I got the bare bones in there. Now I got to start really doing, like, the woodwork and the wallpaper. And after seeing John Legend and Chrissy Teigen's house that they bought in Arrowhead because we looked at Arrowhead first. It's like a 1930s, 1940s house. It is decorated just like I want our house to be decorated.

[A]

So if their house cost 6 million or only was 700,000, big difference.

[D]

Yeah. Do you see us buying a bigger house in Big Bear?

[A]

I did. In the beginning, I loved it so much, Spending so much time up there that I wanted just get rid of everything we have in Orange county and go up there. But now that I've gotten used to going back and forth, I really enjoy the diversity. I like going up there and having a good time. I don't think we need a bigger house. I like the coziness of it. I know you want higher ceilings, more light and all that. That would be cool.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

But I don't want to. I don't want to sell it. You know, one of the biggest lessons I've learned in finance is build your assets, and I want to keep it and rent it and, you know, maybe give it to the kids after we pass. But selling it is not going to be an option because there's no reason to sell it.

[D]

Well, unless you want to buy something bigger.

[A]

Yeah, we could do that. You know, we. There's. There's a lot of ways to, you know, upscale to a bigger property and, you know, deal with taxes and all that. But the bottom line is I'd rather have multiple properties that generate income so we don't have to work our ass off for the rest of our life.

[D]

Speaking of multiple properties, do you think we're gonna move?

[A]

I don't know. We tried that last year.

[D]

We sold our house in days. And you backed up.

[A]

I did. Because financially, it didn't make any sense. We needed another year. We got the year. So we have to make a decision. But if we move, I don't want to sell this house. There's so much sentimental value here and we have such a great interest rate on it. I mean, it's stupid. If we sell the house.

[D]

Yeah. I mean, the whole rule and real estate, like if right now, especially with interest rates so low, if you have a 2 or 3% interest rate on your house, don't sell it.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[D]

Well, we bought the Big Bear house with a high interest rate, and then we did. We just ended up paying the house off because it's not worth it for a second house. Because you can't write that off.

[A]

No. And it was a 7% investment. 7% return on your money. So, yeah, it was an investment decision. So now we're doing good. Yeah. I. I think maybe I. I would like to look at more property in Temecula, and it's because they have space. Also. What's that other area I was talking about? Wildemar is a nice area. I know, I know.

[D]

It's really out there, so.

[A]

It is.

[D]

Eddie has been talking about Temecula. So I decided, because I love looking at houses, got online, looked at Temecula and some of these houses that have these long driveways that, you know, lined with cypress trees. You get up there, there's vineyards. They're big houses. I mean, you can get a 6,000 square foot house on 2 acres for $3 million there. 5 acres, 5 acres, 10 acres, whatever, for like $3 million. And you know, when you really think about it, when Sophia leaves the house, which is going to be soon.

[A]

What.

[D]

What are our ties here? The show, being in Orange County.

[A]

That's it. Yeah. I mean, we. We have friends here, but it's not like we can't see him whenever we want. You know, it's only an hour away.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

To make it long. So. I don't know. Just a. Just an idea. Just a thought. I sent you that house in Lake Matthews. I have a friend that lives up there and he's got a huge house with a beautiful lawn. And full disclosure, there's an awesome trail that I can ride out there.

[D]

Everything revolves around riding a motorcycle. This is ridiculous.

[A]

Yes. That's my life, babe.

[D]

But favorite things to do in Big

[A]

Bear ride My motorcycle.

[D]

Oh, God, your wife.

[A]

I do. Well, you're second favorite favorite thing about Big Bear is just being there with you.

[D]

Yeah. It's just relaxing. It's so different than being in Orange County. And, you know, we know some people on our street. There's a couple that own a restaurant, La Pergola, which is one of our favorite.

[A]

Yes.

[D]

Restaurants. And he also owned Whiskey Dave's, which we filmed there. We actually filmed at La Pergola, too.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

A lot of great restaurants. People reach out to me.

[A]

A lot of great people.

[D]

You know, just a lot of nice people.

[A]

Really nice people. I was walking rugby one day, and I was walking by that house that was all done up, like, really, like just around the corner. Yes. And the owner was out there, an older guy, probably mid. Mid to early 80s. And we just started talking, started having a conversation.

[D]

Nice people.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Now there is an area like crackhead city, too, I guess, like any other

[A]

town, like you'd find anywhere, but it's nowhere near us. And it's. It's way, way, way, you know, deep into, you know, Baldwin Lake or something like that.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't know.

[D]

But let's talk about podcasting.

[A]

Let's talk about it. I actually am enjoying it.

[D]

You are?

[A]

I am. I. When we first started, I had no clue what we were going to talk about. And it wasn't until the very last minute that I. It clicked, and Edwin and I just started chatting, having a conversation like friends, and we. We hit it off. I mean, we. We were friends before.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

But we were able to just chat.

[D]

You had chemistry, is what you're saying.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Which makes a big difference.

[A]

My favorite part is interviewing the house husbands because we have so much in common.

[D]

And who was your favorite?

[A]

I don't have a favorite. I've enjoyed talking and getting to know all of them. If I was forced to pick a favorite, obviously Joe Gorga is my favorite because he's just so funny. But it's hard. I mean, Frank and Tanya is equally as funny, and that's why they have their own standup show. But I think every single house husband so far that we've talked to, I really have connected with and enjoyed talking about the subject of, you know, being a house husband.

[D]

You interviewed Eddie from Potomac?

[A]

Yes. Yes.

[D]

Ever everything that's gone down since your interview. What was your take on him when you talked to him?

[A]

I enjoyed Eddie talking to him. I didn't. I didn't know him before. And. And I think Edwin would tell you the same thing. It was an Easy interview. He's easy to talk to. He's such a nice gu guy. Very inspiring. Both him, his wife are very educated and you know, they seem like really genuine people. And to see these stories going on and shocked was happening. I was shocked.

[D]

I think everybody was shocked. And I mean, you're innocent until proven guilty.

[A]

You are.

[D]

So we'll see what happens.

[A]

But I hope, I hope that they get through it because I can't imagine going through something like that, you know, whether it's real or not, you know, it's, it's. You have to defend yourself. Very similar to the stupidity of all these ugly posts that, you know, I think they're AI posts that idiots put out.

[D]

Oh. About us. So funny you should say that because at the end I have questions from fans and a lot of fans asked about that. Oh, I didn't know you were still together. Oh, I thought you were getting divorced.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

And so there's a lot of people that are really struggling with these AI stories. I just ignore them now. But I know like Vicki's son in law, they just posted one that he was going to prison. They put a picture of him with earrings in. And he's a military guy. He's, you know, he's very straight laced. So there's all these stories from I cheated. You cheated, You're a gambler. We're breaking up. And you know, it's funny because it's.

[A]

We're getting investigated by the FBI.

[D]

Oh, I seen that one. And it's like you would get upset about it and you've even contacted like the attorney or whatever. And I know that Vicki told me that they, she contacted attorney and Brianna and Brian's behalf and there's nothing they can do. These are AI stories. I broke Rugby's leg. I had to borrow $2 million from Alexis Alexa's. Like, wow, I didn't know I had that kind of money hanging around. Like so many crazy stories. And the people on Facebook, I think it's an older generation on Facebook because my mom will literally come to the house and go, so you got fired? I'm like, what are you talking about? Don't you think I would tell you? She goes, well, I read it on Facebook. You know, they said that, you know, Eddie's leaving you, he's sick of your shit, that you got fired from the show. And I'm like, mom. She goes, oh, no, it's a joke. I want, I don't want to hear it. Yeah, I purposely ignore it. I don't need my own Family member to come over and say, like, oh, so like, I don't find it funny.

[A]

Well, that's how propaganda works. And it's. It's not AI. AI doesn't, you know, pull this hat, this rabbit out of their ass and go, I'm gonna do this. It's some piece of shit person that's behind generating this through AI.

[D]

Well, it's overseas, so it's. They can't even get to the people, according to some attorney that was trying to look into it. But you know what, at what point is Mark Zuckerberg, or whatever his name is responsible for this?

[A]

Eventually they're going to be held responsible. I don't know.

[D]

When can we, can we do a lawsuit against Mark for allowing him to do this?

[A]

I think if we get enough people, we can have a class action lawsuit. But it's not like he's not getting sued every day for something or another.

[D]

You know, it's just. I don't know. Would you like to interview Andy Cohen?

[A]

I think that would be fun. That's a good idea. I don't know that he'd come on our show, but I think that would be fun.

[D]

Him on two T's. Would you like to do a monthly podcast with your wife? Maybe we can do all kinds of different topics from relationship to.

[A]

Only if you're nice to me.

[D]

Okay, I'll try to be nice to you. Okay, let's move on to RHOC. So you are, what, about 12 years into reality TV?

[A]

Gosh.

[D]

Right. And I don't know if a lot of people know this, but you filmed two times with me and a mutual friend when I was married to Simon.

[A]

Before we got together.

[D]

Yes, before we got together. And I don't know why production has never done a flashback of us filming together.

[A]

Where was it?

[D]

Okay, so the first one was I had a launch party for my website and Marcos, our mutual friend, who basically introduced us. Right. He was in our wedding. He. He brought you.

[A]

Yeah, I remember that. And. And I got tanned.

[D]

You got naked then too?

[A]

I got sprayed tan.

[F]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

There was spray tanning there. Cameras. Yes. And then when I was short selling our house, separating from Simon, I came to your house because it was kind of a stage situation because you can't just go into somebody's house and film as a potential place to live. And here I am 16 years later in this, Amy. In this house.

[A]

Well, that's where I fell in love with you.

[D]

It was love at first sight.

[A]

Yeah. When I opened the door and it was just got Eye to eye, and it was just love at first sight. But you were married.

[D]

Well, it was the end of my marriage. We knew we were splitting up. And I remember when the door opened, it was like that. You know, when people say, oh, there was stars and fireworks, blah, blah, blah. It truly was like that.

[A]

Right. They did film. They filmed you, Marcos, looking around the

[D]

house, but they filmed you opening the door. Yes. Yes. And then you went and did your thing, and then me and Marcos talked around the house and looked around. Yeah, that's right.

[A]

I. I forgot about that.

[D]

You've come a long ways since the bathtub scene. Yes, you.

[A]

Well, that's the first thing I remember from filming. That's the very. Where do you go from there? It's all downhill from there.

[D]

Yeah, well, no, I don't know about that. But how do you manage staying out of all the drama in the show?

[A]

I'm not a housewife.

[D]

Yeah, but some guys try to get involved. I think we know little.

[A]

They wanna. They want their 15 minutes on a female housewife show. That's all. Yeah, I'm not about that. This is York thing with your show, and I am not about to upstage you or try to, you know, take your.

[D]

Get involved. You were so mad last year when I brought up the FBI stuff, and then you ended up having to smooth things over and. Which you really didn't want to do, but that's the type of guy you are. You're like, are we good now? Are we good now? And you hugged him and you walked out.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. Because it was just pointless. This is not a show about guys were kind of collateral damage.

[D]

But you're also not a drama person. Like, you'd rather smooth things over than. Or walk away. Do you ever get the urge to tell people off online?

[A]

I do. I've had. I think I've told you this already about three, maybe four occasions in the entirety of being on the show where I. I've typed it out, like, ready to tell them off, and then I delete it and I feel good.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

But there's only been like three or four instances where I'm like. Like, you do know this is a TV show. And then I go on, if you believe this, and yada, yada, yada, and then I post it and then I hear you, you gotta delete it. Deleted. But now it doesn't bother me because I know it's some troll behind a computer in somebody's basement.

[D]

What if it's a cast member? Because you've had that happen where they were talking about you and.

[A]

Yeah, but they're.

[D]

I mean, could you imagine?

[A]

Depends on the cast member, right?

[D]

Could you imagine I would kill you. You. If you got online and started talking shit about one of the girls on the show?

[A]

I'm not a little bitch.

[D]

God, no. It's just.

[A]

Yeah. So anyways, no, it's. It's a housewife show. My only place is to support you, Carl. Call it a supporting role. And I'm not about to be a little bitch on the show.

[D]

You got cut out a lot this year.

[A]

Well, there's not a lot of drama with me.

[D]

Well, the. The one thing is, is now that Sophia's on the show, I feel like she. She elaborates a little bit more than you do. So now when we do rundowns at home and stuff like that, they're like, is Sophia available?

[A]

Yeah.

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[D]

Would you be disappointed if I was not asked back to season 20?

[A]

I would not. No. I mean, at the end of the day, this is your thing, babe.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

And you battle with it. You have your ups, you have your downs, you have your good days, you have your bad days. And I'm just here to support you and whatever decision you make because at the end of the day, there's one thing I've learned about you. Tamara's gonna do whatever the hell Tamara wants to do. And I'm not here to tell you what to do. I'm here to bounce off ideas, brainstorm, go through the feelings you're getting and, you know, support you with whatever decision you make. At the end of the day, it doesn't really affect me because, again, I'm not a little bitch on the Show. This is about you and what you. And you're great on the show. I mean, the few episodes that I watch, and of course, all the. All the press you get, I mean, you're on varieties. 40 most powerful women on reality TV. That's a big deal. So I love you, I support you, and I'll be here, you know, doing this as long as you want to do it.

[D]

What's the biggest misconception about me?

[A]

That you are mean and a drunk and, you know, really harsh to be friends with, which is the irony, you know, because the real you, you don't give a damn about the stupidity of what people are doing out there in the world. You know, you keep to yourself. You're. You're actually a bigger homebody than I am, but you're not. I mean, there's. There's a little bit of crossover that I've noticed as time has come, gone on, and. And I've seen some of the things that you have said on the show, you know, say to me, and I just have to remind you, I'm not one of the women, so don't talk to me like that.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

And there's no cameras around, so don't talk to me like that. But at the end of the day, you're human, and it's going to be hard to separate. You know, what I've learned in business is as an entrepreneur, you go, you do your job, you do your work, you do everything you need to do. When you come home, you leave all the problems and issues outside the door, and you come in and you enjoy your family. For you, it's. It's.

[D]

Sometimes it's hard.

[A]

It's very hard because this is your business. This is what you do, so.

[D]

Yeah, but this. This last year was probably emotionally the toughest year I've ever had to film.

[A]

Well, that's because you got hit hard emotionally because of what happened to Teddy. You know, if that didn't happen to Teddy and Teddy was not going through all that, I think you would have ran circles around these women in the show and told them where to put it.

[D]

Right? I mean, I think back of the scenes that I shot, and I was very sad. I was very emotional. I just. I was crying out for someone to just hug me on the show. Like just one of you fucking hug me and tell me it's gonna be okay.

[A]

Well, from what I understand, they did the exact opposite.

[D]

The exact opposite.

[A]

The entire cast.

[D]

It wasn't a lot of love, that's for sure. They were trying and I think, like, you know, I. I asked like, why, why is this happening? Well, everybody thinks you're tough. Everybody knows that they poke you. They're. You're gonna explode and it's gonna be a good scene, you know, And I'm like, sometimes I'm not that tough.

[A]

But I think, I think that justifies their actions because at the end of the day, they're trying to produce a show here, right?

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

And that justifies their actions in that they're just doing their. They don't consider is that the real life that's going on in your personal life is affecting you so much that you can't really. It's. It's like call it a baseball team and you're in a team and you guys are all playing together, but something emotionally happens. Let's say your mom dies or something like that. You're not going to be a hundred percent when you go to bat or when you go to pitch or whatever. Right. That's my point, is that you were not 100% when this happened to you.

[D]

Well, I wasn't.

[A]

Happened to Teddy.

[D]

Yeah, this happened to Teddy. But the thing is, was going through therapy, and anybody that's going through therapy for the first time knows, like, they break you down before you start feeling better. So I really was in that era where I was really broken down and really looking forward to filming and, you know, talking to my friends about it and all that stuff. And pretty quickly, within two weeks, Teddy got sick and it just put me in a tailspin. Now, one thing that people don't know about me is I avoid difficult conversations and emotions because I think mostly because of the way I was raised, I don't process things well. I do not process bad things well.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

And so for somebody that might say, oh, well, you know, what happened to Teddy didn't happen to you, I'll be like, okay, okay, say whatever you say. But when your best friend is so sick and your business partner and the doctors, you know, she's in brain surgery and we don't know what the outcome is. And told in everything you read, six to nine months survival rate and all that stuff, it plays with your mind.

[A]

Yeah, it does. You know, and I don't think anybody is giving you enough credit for you dealing with that the way you dealt with it.

[D]

Nobody cared. And I'm not. And here's the thing. I don't ask for sympathy. I don't ask for grace. I don't ask for any of that. But what I got was the whole opposite. Just Mean, nasty. Let's try to pin her. Let's try to do something like it may. It really has changed my mind about a lot of people. I don't care if it's a show or not.

[A]

Well, here's the thing. Here's my take on it. That's probably the most vulnerable I've ever seen. You and the fact that they brought back, you know, a few people on the show that, you know, you've had trouble with and maintain. The people on the show that you have trouble with, and they all ganged up on you, and they still couldn't take you down, no matter how much lies and. And stories they created.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

They couldn't can together take you down. Their whole people are like, oh, well, you.

[D]

You deserve it.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

I'm like, I deserve it. Why?

[A]

Yeah, why?

[D]

Please tell me why. Nobody does.

[A]

It's. It's just, it. It was a terrible cast, honestly, and. And it's all water under the bridge,

[D]

and so whatever happens, happens. I don't know. But we have some fan questions. We'll wrap it up with some fan questions. Okay, so I'm newly engaged. I can't. What does this. Jade and Dreide asked. I'm really engaged. Any marriage advice? Love you guys together.

[A]

Marriage advice. I think I've always said this. I think I've said this to you before. You have to learn how to deal with difficult situations. It's really easy to enjoy each other's love and passion and chemistry and all that and do the fun things. But when life hits you hard with illness, a financial issue or something, right? Or maybe even a misunderstanding, miscommunication, you have to learn, for lack of better descriptions, you got to learn how to fight. And I.

[D]

And you and I, it's communicating, not fighting, babe.

[A]

I know, but it's. It's not easy, because you know me, whenever there is a situation and there hasn't been any, really, we've gone through a lot of, you know, situations where I just can't deal with it and I want to walk.

[D]

You're a runner.

[A]

Runner. I am a runner.

[D]

You're a runner.

[A]

But I also know that I need to calm down, because, as you know, I'll say stupid things that I don't mean, and they will hurt you, they will hurt your feelings, and that's the whole purpose of it. But I don't like doing that.

[D]

So then don't do it.

[A]

Well, then leave me alone so I calm down and I can come back.

[D]

I used to get really bothered if we get in A fight, and then I'd want to get to the end of it. And you're not like that. So now I'm, like, off. Yeah, go sit in your office by yourself.

[A]

You know, when I was younger, I used to just get. Get on my bike, go, ride, come back, clear my head, and I'm ready to deal with anything.

[D]

But I just say, like, marry your best friend and somebody that you just want to be around all the time. And, you know, it took me three times. So, I mean, I don't know that I wanted to give out marriage advice, but I just know that third time around, you know, we're in a different situation. We're not having children. We did not. We talked about having children. I came into this relationship with. With children. So it was, you know. And you struggled with, do I want kids?

[A]

Well, I told you, I never wanted kids.

[D]

So you said at one time you thought maybe. Then we got robocop. What's his name? Robo or Astro? Astro.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Astro. That was a.

[A]

One season. We had Astro, and you killed him in the middle of the night. You stuffed him.

[D]

I'm too old for this. I can't do this.

[A]

That's when I said, no, we're not having kids.

[D]

So mahalo. Lilo asked, what's our guilty pleasure TV show we watch together. Okay, so Landman. We watched it last night.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

And we're up to date. We look forward to it every Sunday. It's not as good as the first season.

[A]

It never really is because, like anything,

[D]

I need more Sam Elliott, and I don't like that. Sam Elliott is kind of frail and sickly.

[A]

I don't like seeing it.

[D]

I don't like seeing him like that. I know he's 81 years old, but I know he's not like that in real life.

[A]

Such a good.

[D]

He's such a good actor. That's why I want to see more. I want to see less of the son and the girlfriend.

[A]

I. I don't have any.

[D]

They're making them. And they're making them like a storyline constantly. And I just. I'd rather see Ally and the daughter. They're so cute together.

[A]

So cute. They're so much fun. Actually, I. I do appreciate that, and I. I love the dynamics of Ali and her relationship with everybody.

[D]

She's funny. She reminds me a little bit of me.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Just kind of says it like it is.

[A]

She's a lot more sassy.

[D]

She's a lot more. Yeah, that's for sure.

[F]

Still.

[D]

Still. Lady 30 asks what other businesses are you interested in starting or looking at buying? I love Veena. Veena. We've had Veena now for six years.

[A]

Yes, it's a lot. It's a lot of work.

[D]

I mean, people don't even realize it because we don't show it on the, on, you know, the show. And I don't ask me why. We film things and it just never makes it. You know, we were in a building that didn't allow filming. Now we're in a building where I think they might allow us to film. So we'll see next season. But, you know, there's a lot going on in the industry right now. So we're a little bit like this next, what, 11 months or so is going to be very telling.

[A]

That's the trouble is that you have so many dumb people opposing cannabis just because of the propaganda that's out there. I mean, it's, it's just stupid that people are, and I understand it, cannabis was vilified in the 60s and 70s

[D]

and they, well, tell people what's going on.

[A]

Well, when they closed the, the government last year, I think it was October, in order to open it, they had to, you know, give and take and, you know, know agreed to disagree or agree to open up the government again. And in order to do that, the Trump administration had to sign something that said, okay, we're gonna, you know, make it illegal to do cannabis or we're gonna restructure it.

[D]

Well, I'm sure they signed a bunch of stuff, but that was one of them.

[A]

That was one of them.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

And, and, and that's the only one that really affects our business because it was sort of a blanket thing. And now, I mean, he did an executive order after that that he basically is accelerating, taking cannabis from a Schedule 1 drug to a Schedule 3, which makes it a little bit easier to do research, banking and all that stuff to make it a legitimate business. But, you know, big pharma doesn't want that to happen.

[D]

Well, at the end of the day, it's either gonna make us, really, really make us, or it's gonna break us.

[A]

I don't think it's gonna break us.

[D]

I hope not. Maybe it's six years built this business, it's doing very well. Like, that would be really sad. It's scary.

[A]

It's. I know you like to jump in and think of the worst case scenario. That's just who you are. I'm more optimistic. And the bottom line is there's too many people in this industry that are making a difference. This Plant is changing people's lives. You can you see those messages we get constantly. I haven't slept for years.

[D]

I got one yesterday. I read to you.

[A]

Gummies have changed my life. I love your product. I. I think you guys are doing a great thing. And we're not the only ones in the industry.

[D]

Right? But there's also. It's a wild, wild west too. And there's a lot of cowboys in the industry. And I think that that's what they need to get rid of. And I think, like, yesterday I got a DM from a lady that said, I am off

[A]

medication.

[D]

Medication? Pharmaceuticals. I'm off pharmaceuticals because I am now taking your vina. So, you know, so Molly. I know it's Molly Malls asked, have you ever thought about adopting a child?

[A]

Yeah, we got a dog instead.

[D]

Yeah. His name's Rugby. His name's Rugby? Yeah. Now that all the kids are grown, you gotta remember I've been raising kids for 40 years. Ryan just turned 40 December 27th. Happy birthday, Ryan. And, you know, Sophia is my last one. There's 20 years between them. And I'm tired now we have Rugby and I didn't even want a dog. I didn't want a dog. I know, and you talked me into it.

[A]

I'm so nice to him a lot.

[D]

I am so nice to him. Stop it. It's just. There's three of us in this relationship.

[A]

I know.

[D]

I mean, he lays his head on your crotch at night and, and lay. And falls asleep.

[A]

I know. He lays his head on my chest. He lays his head on my head. He just lays all over me.

[D]

He does so. And now I'm like, oh, well, maybe we should get another. I'm like, what am I thinking? What am I thinking?

[A]

I keep getting messages about that, like, he needs a brother or a sister or, you know, a companion so that when. When we're not home, they can be together and have fun together.

[D]

But, well, he can be an only child. Just like you were pretty much an only child.

[A]

Yes. I'm happy with that.

[D]

You know, sometimes I think, like, oh, you know what, we could have had, like, maybe a. Let's say a 10 year old by now.

[A]

And, you know, life would have been so different for us.

[D]

Right? It would have been so different. I don't know. It's just sometimes I think, oh, we missed that mark.

[A]

But I. I don't regret it at all. I. I mean, like, I. Like you said, you've been raising kids for a long time. When the conversation started about having kids, I, you know, Said I didn't want to. So we tried the robot, which was more for show purposes, but at the end of the day, I don't. I didn't want any kids. Yeah, your kids were enough. I mean, they went through hell.

[D]

You didn't want any kids, but you got four, huh? Actually three. Ryan's already grown two, because.

[A]

Only two. Really?

[D]

Well, Sydney was only around until she was 14, so I don't.

[A]

I don't remember really spending much time with Cindy. Yeah, it was a month. Month when you guys moved in, you know, to the house, that she's decided that she wanted to be with her dad. So I didn't really develop a relationship with her.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

What's your favorite perfume or cologne?

[A]

I don't have one. I don't really wear it a lot.

[D]

Yeah. Joe Malone, I think they have so many different scents, and I love all of them. Somebody wants to know how you feel about Vicky being back. Because, you guys, you know what, you. She had said some things about you. You got upset. You're type of person that's like, I don't want anything to do with somebody that, you know, goes after me. But now I feel like we're all. Time has gone by and we're all in a much better place.

[A]

I think that's a great question. And what I'd learned, particularly from my interview with Joe Gorga about, you know, him and his sister talking again, I realized that, you know, we do live in a world where you just. Just don't need enemies. Right. And. And what she did, she did on the show, you know, and what she did to me really wasn't that big a deal. She just. She, she.

[D]

It's who she included.

[A]

She was included in the stupidity of what those two idiots were doing.

[D]

Right.

[A]

Trying to, you know, put out there that I'm gay. What I really was bothered with is how she treated you. And again, it's a TV show, so you guys.

[D]

Yeah, but we do that back and forth to each other.

[A]

But Vicki and I, they're having fun. You have so much fun and you make good tv, but when you're fighting, you're fighting like sisters. So right at the end of the day, it does help that I like Mike. Mike monster. Cool cat. I really, really like Mike.

[D]

I mean, the show was different way back when, when me and Vicky were good friends and we did things together and she was peeing on my bed and we're running through Mexico. I mean, that. That's the fun that I want to get back. It was fun to film back then.

[A]

And you guys do. Do film fun things, so.

[D]

Yes, we do.

[A]

So hopefully that goes back. Gets back to that. But yeah, I, you know, at the end of the day, you got to forgive, forget, and move on.

[D]

Yeah. Do you double date with other OC couples when not filming?

[A]

Who asked that question?

[D]

Maddie Ferrari. Yeah. So, well, we went out to dinner before the holidays with Matt and Katie and with Vicki and Mike and Heather. We have with Terry, but they're in LA and it's. We don't go up there that often.

[A]

Yeah. But when we do have dinner with them, it's a blast.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Terry is so much funny and. And Heather is so funny and we have such.

[D]

Oh, by the way, it's. Well, I don't know when this is going to air, but it's Heather's birthday today.

[A]

Oh, it is.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Happy birthday, Heather.

[D]

Yeah. So. And then had dinner with Shane and Emily. Well, we went to Napa.

[A]

Oh, yeah?

[D]

Yeah.

[F]

Together.

[D]

Yeah.

[G]

Yeah.

[A]

I actually interviewed Shane that night. It was fun.

[D]

And then, let's see. So this is the last question Kristen Howey asks. How is Eddie's relationship with your kids and Ava? You took.

[A]

You have to tell question.

[D]

You have to tell the story about. Oh, you took Ava to school.

[A]

I, I was last resort. Because you were working.

[D]

I was working. Sarah had to go somewhere. Ryan was working. So I said, can you take the

[A]

opportunity to take Ava to school? And she's so cute. She's such a different person now. We're driving there, having a, you know, kind of an adult conversation, and then we're. We get there, and I'm like, okay, so now it's like, oh, so now you got to walk me to the grassy area. So I get off the car, I walk her to the grassy area. I'm like, now what? She's like, oh, we can just hang out here until the teachers call us in. So we're just hanging out, and one of the teachers comes out, is like, oh, hi, are you Ava's dad? I'm like, no, I'm actually Ava's grandpa. And her eyes went like, grandpa. And she. She pulls two of the other teachers in. She's like, come here. This is Ava's grandpa. Grandpa. Everybody was laughing about it. It was so much fun. And even Amy was giggling about it.

[D]

It's funny.

[A]

It was funny. It was a lot of fun. But, yeah, I loved seeing Ava grow. And, and just.

[D]

She's gonna be 11. 11 next month.

[A]

Yeah, she's becoming a young lady.

[D]

Less than a month.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, It's. It's. It's been great. The relationship with the kids, again, primarily

[D]

changes all the time. Right.

[A]

And Spencer. They're the only ones I really have a relationship with. And it's. Spencer's been kind of rough, you know, because it's just he's, you know, influenced by his dad when he was younger, so he has a little bit of.

[D]

He has a little bit of a guard or a shield or something. Like, he.

[A]

We have a relationship.

[D]

It's hard for him to get close to people. That's what it is. But he, you know, like.

[A]

But I know he loves me.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I got. I know he thinks about me, and I love him, too. And I love our relationship. You have a relationship with Ryan, and it's getting better. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I. I talk to him, but not often. I don't have a bad relationship with Ryan.

[D]

No.

[G]

No, no, no.

[D]

I just. I feel like for a while we were doing a lot of things together and going camping and motorcycle riding and all that stuff. And since we got the. The last. Well, he, you know, he loves to go to Big Bear, and he goes to Big Bear with us.

[A]

But,

[D]

I mean, other than that, he works so much.

[A]

He works a lot.

[D]

Yeah, he works a lot.

[A]

And then Sophia is just becoming a woman. It's so much fun watching her. So much watching. So much fun watching her grow.

[D]

She wants to hang out with us now. Before, she's like, no, no, thank you. Yeah, I'm good.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

But now she wants to hang out.

[A]

No, that's cool. Yeah, that's really cool.

[D]

Well, this was fun.

[A]

Yeah. Let's do it again.

[D]

Let's do it again.

[A]

All right, guys, thank you so much for joining the ads. This was our first podcast.

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It's the Ed.

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It's the Ads.

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Well, today it's the Ed.

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Unfortunately, my co host, Edwin, couldn't make it, and you filled in. Thank you.

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Thank you for having me, El.

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You're a blast. Bye. Bye.

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