The Eds: unEDited Wife Swap Edition: Shawn Trujillo

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Two Ts In A Pod – "The Eds: unEDited Wife Swap Edition: Shawn Trujillo"

Date: November 11, 2025

Podcast: Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge
Hosts (for this episode): Eddie Judge & Edwin Arroyave (The Eds)
Special Guest: Shawn Trujillo

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Episode Overview

In this special crossover episode, Eddie Judge and Edwin Arroyave (The Eds) welcome back guest Shawn Trujillo to discuss his recent experience on "Wife Swap with the House Husbands." The conversation dives into the contrasts between luxury and minimalist living, reflects on family relationships, personal growth, humility, and what it takes to step outside your comfort zone on reality TV. The trio also shares candid, often funny insights into filming, family life, gender roles, and social media.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

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1. Why Do Wife Swap? Motivation and Mindset

• Shawn’s Reason for Joining:
  Shawn and Angie joined "Wife Swap" mostly out of curiosity and a sense of adventure. They were approached directly for the show and are self-declared "lifelong learners."

  “We’re always up for the task…we’re up for learning new things.” — Shawn Trujillo [04:11]

• Not Everyone Could Handle It:
  There is strong mutual appreciation in Shawn’s marriage, but even as open-minded as they are, both recognize there’s risk in swapping households—Angie was a bit more nervous.

  “I don’t think I’d ever wife swap, not even for four days.” — Eddie Judge [05:15]

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2. Experiencing Opposite Lifestyles

• Culture Shock:
  Angie had to “rough it” in a completely off-grid house, encountering outdoor bathtubs, compost toilets, and a life without modern luxuries. The difference was stark and humorous.

  “I can’t imagine…standing there looking at the house…and absolutely no grass, no running water.” — Eddie [07:43] “That outside bathtub…that is roughing it.” — Eddie [07:56]

• How Would Shawn Have Fared? Shawn, being outdoorsy, feels he could handle a lot of it, but draws the line at certain chores.

  “The biggest challenge I would have had was that toilet…that would have been the worst thing for me.” — Shawn [08:14]

• Mutual Appreciation:
  Both families came away appreciating aspects of the other's lifestyle, especially the basics like running water and electricity.

  “She probably would think about it and think, God, that would be pretty cool…just the simple necessities that we take for granted…” — Shawn [18:53]

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3. Dynamics with Temporary Spouses

• Welcoming Lindsay:
  Shawn describes his swapped wife Lindsay as “down to earth and humble” but very shy. He notes the intensity and exhaustion of filming affected all.

  “She was super cool…very shy. But…such a nice person. Just a great family.” — Shawn [12:20]

• What Did Lindsay Really Think? She noticed the “excess” in Shawn's lifestyle—so many open bottles of sparkling water, for example. Shawn laughed about his own habits after Lindsay gently pointed them out.

  “You start…registering…gosh, there’s five bottles of Pellegrino on the table right now!” — Shawn [14:14]

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4. Family Time versus Busy Work

• Quality Time vs. Productivity:
  Shawn discusses how Angie's constant activity sometimes detracts from family time. Shawn’s approach is more focused on being present with their daughter, Electra.

  “I find nothing more valuable or needed…than spending time with your kids. Quality time with your kids.” — Eddie [09:29] “Obviously she’s my favorite person to be with…We have a lot in common…We have a blast.” — Shawn [10:03]

• Multitasking Debate:
  The group shares a lighthearted critique of multitasking, particularly how it affects productivity and time management.

  “It’ll take you an hour to wipe the counter.” — Eddie, about Angie's multitasking style [11:22]
  “I’m the same way.” — Shawn [11:21]

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5. Work, Entrepreneurship, and Survival

• Lindsay’s Family Business:
  They run a fishing gear company, handling everything themselves, and recently looked to sell it and try something new.

  “They have a pretty cool small business…entrepreneurs on top of it, you know.” — Shawn [21:02]

• Self-Sufficiency vs. Modern Convenience:
  The discussion draws stark lines between hauling water up a hill versus turning on the faucet. Shawn's family hires help, but Lindsay’s family “lives off the land.”

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6. Gardening and Real Food Appreciation

• Starting Their Own Garden:
  Inspired by Lindsay, Shawn started a box garden for fresh produce, which enhanced their Greek cuisine and family meals.

  “It was cool to just be able to walk out in our backyard, grab whatever we needed, and then just bring it to the table.” — Shawn [27:33]

• Teaching Kids About Food: Shawn and Eddie emphasize the value of children understanding where food comes from—citing that supermarket produce doesn't compare to garden-fresh.

  “I don’t really eat tomatoes if they’re not out of the garden. They just don’t taste like anything.” — Shawn [28:39]

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7. Humility, Gratitude, and Remembering Where You Came From

• Visiting Old Neighborhoods:
  Both Eddie and Shawn talk about returning to their childhood neighborhoods to stay grounded.

  "It helps me kind of stay humble and realize that I struggled. And this is where I used to live..." — Eddie [35:28] “If there’s a penny on the ground, I won’t walk over it. I pick it up and I kiss it and I put it in my pocket." — Shawn [37:52]

• The Value of Hard Work and Struggle:
  They all agree that appreciating their current comfort is grounded in past struggles.

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8. Reality TV: The Experience vs. the Edit

• Housewives vs. Wife Swap Filming:
  Shawn found Wife Swap more demanding due to longer hours and greater personal exposure.

  “Housewives was easier because…I have limited exposure. This one…was a lot more rigorous, and there was a lot more expected.” — Shawn [23:30]

• Social Media and Trolls:
  The conversation gets candid about online negativity and the joy of using the block button.

  "You could say the right things 10 out of 10 times, and you’re still going to have trolls that decide they can’t stand you." — Shawn [66:33]

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9. Personal Growth from the Experience

• What Changed Afterwards:
  Shawn values the lesson to avoid “creating busy work” and to enjoy downtime with his daughter, instead of constant activity.

  “I think…seeing that Angie doesn’t have to create so much busy work for herself…is my special time with my daughter more important than sweeping the garage?” — Shawn [46:19], [48:18]

• Family Routines and Traditions:
  Their “couch time” for TV and conversation—watching “Cobra Kai” and “Stranger Things”—strengthens their bond.

  “…It’s just really a special time for me because she’s right next to me…I get to hug her, I get to have my arm around her…” — Shawn [47:20]

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10. Final Reflections, Funny Moments, and Would They Do It Again?

• Did They Miss Angie?
  The swap was so short (3–4 days), they didn’t really have time to develop much “absence makes the heart grow fonder,” but Shawn did miss her “humor” and presence.

  “There really wasn’t enough time to think about like, ‘oh I miss Angie’…but her presence is always missed.” — Shawn [54:01], [55:11]

• Would Shawn Do It Again? Absolutely, he enjoyed and learned from the experience, even in a “worst case scenario.”

  “I would absolutely do it. We had a great, great time.” — Shawn [70:18]

• Dream Wife Swap? Nene Leakes is Shawn’s pick for a Housewives swap, saying it would be either “a riot…or a headache.” [69:27]

• Humorous Takes on Reality TV:
  The hosts joke about swapping with other personalities, including swapping with a gay couple—”I just gave Bravo an idea, so I better get my 15% commission!” — Eddie [72:58]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “The biggest challenge…I would have had was that toilet. Changing that toilet…oh my God, that would have been the worst for me.” — Shawn [08:14]
• “It’ll take you an hour to wipe the counter.” — Eddie [11:22]
• “I pick [a penny] up and I kiss it and I put it in my pocket.” — Shawn [37:52]
• “If you’re gonna…put your money where your mouth is, like, if you feel this way about me, show me who you are.” — Shawn, on trolls [68:27]
• “I’d rather do [hairdressing] than mix cement, you know what I mean?” — Shawn [31:57]
• “Would you wife swap with the gay couple?” — Eddie [72:25]
• “There’s something about getting back into your routine, and it’s like, oh, can’t wait for Angie to get back and I can go do my thing.” — Shawn [54:34]
• “You have to have a juxtaposition to create that story…otherwise, it’d be like watching paint dry.” — Sean [71:20]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [04:11] — Why Shawn and Angie agreed to participate in Wife Swap
• [07:43] — Angie’s first impressions living off the grid
• [08:14] — Shawn’s hypothetical take on roughing it
• [12:20] — Shawn’s impressions of Lindsay (temporary wife)
• [24:17] — Which was harder to film: Housewives or Wife Swap?
• [27:33] — Start of garden talk; value of real food for kids
• [35:28] — On staying humble & remembering your roots
• [54:01] — Did Shawn and Electra really miss Angie during the swap?
• [65:38] — "Be authentic" on TV and social media
• [69:27] — Dream Housewives swap scenario
• [70:18] — Would Shawn do Wife Swap again?

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Takeaways for New Listeners

This episode provides an honest, funny, and insightful look at what happens when you shake up family routines and force people out of their comfort zones. It’s as much about appreciating modern conveniences as it is about valuing family, authenticity, and self-reflection in the glare—and edit—of reality TV. Listeners get a behind-the-scenes view of what really matters at home versus what’s shown on screen.

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For future episodes:
Expect more candid conversations about reality television, family, and the unique perspectives of those who've lived it—housewives and house-husbands alike!

Transcript

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This is the Eds with Eddie Judge and Edwin Arroyave.

[Eddie Judge]

Welcome Back to the Eds. My name is Eddie Judge. I have my co host Edwin Arroyave and we have a guest that's been on our show before. His name is Sean Trujillo.

[Sean Trujillo]

Hey guys.

[Eddie Judge]

Welcome back. Sean. We are going to continue our episodes of Wife Swap with the House Husbands. We're really interested to hear on your side. I got to see the show this last week when it aired and it was, it was a lot of fun to watch Angie struggle with the such an opposite lifestyle that she lives. And, you know, it was even more fun to watch how you guys live in that beautiful home and your dynamics as a family and your great relationship with your daughter and how cool this whole experience was. I mean, I. Honestly, Sean, I enjoyed watching it. I enjoyed watching you. You were so cool, so relaxed, so like in pain control and.

[Sean Trujillo]

Thank you.

[Eddie Judge]

I, I know that they edit stuff out that, you know, should and shouldn't be on show, but they made you look good, brother.

[Sean Trujillo]

Well, thanks. Yeah, I appreciate it. Yeah, they did a good job.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah, Yeah, I, I was really entertained. So let's get started.

[Sean Trujillo]

Sure.

[Edwin Arroyave]

Yeah. Sean, what, what actually made you say yes to the show? You and Andrew? What actually made you guys say yes?

[Sean Trujillo]

You know, for us, it was kind of a no brainer, you know, when they asked us to do the show, you know, obviously they got in touch with Angie and said, hey, we've got this opportunity and you're one of the first people that we thought of. And, you know, just like anything else, we're usually game to do whatever. So, you know, it was plus, you know, just a curiosity to kind of learn how, you know, somebody else lives their life and to see if there's any, you know, juxtapositions in terms of the way they do things versus the way we do things. And you know, we're, we're lifelong learners, so we're always, we're always into kind of, you know, we're up for the task and we're always into kind of learning new things. So.

[Eddie Judge]

That is awesome. You know, we had Joe Gorga on the show last, last week or two weeks ago, I don't remember. And it was so much fun hearing him talk about the whole experience. One of the biggest questions we had, you know, because the interesting dynamic here is you and Angie have that awesome relationship where you guys can do A lot of things together. You obviously have a business together. Right. Joe and Melissa spend a lot of time together and they have great dynamics in their relationships. And I think I have the same thing with my wife, but I would. I don't think I'd ever wife swap, not even for four days. I don't know if I could deal with that.

[Sean Trujillo]

You know, I think it all depends on who you get. We ended up lucking out, so, you know, But I think it could go the opposite direction, too.

[Eddie Judge]

Gosh, I can't imagine, like, if you would have had the complete opposite of, or let's say Angie on steroids. Right. Because what I learned about Angie is she's very well organized. You know, she gets shit done. Obviously, it resembles a lot of what makes you guys successful. She doesn't let anything sit.

[Sean Trujillo]

Right, right, right.

[Eddie Judge]

Done.

[Sean Trujillo]

Yeah. She looks at the details.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah. And, and, and to think, okay, what, what if. Because one of the biggest questions. I don't know if you remember this, Edwin, but we asked Joe, like, what was the first thing that went to mine. And I thought, what if she's going to some billionaire's house and she's just going to be, you know, flying across the ocean to France to have lunch and come home? Like, is she gonna come back?

[Sean Trujillo]

Right, right. You know that I, I did wonder that myself. And I was like, well, you know, if, if she does and he's a billionaire, I get it. But, you know, just no give backs, you know, I. You can have her.

[Eddie Judge]

No warranties, guarantees.

[Sean Trujillo]

Right, right.

[Eddie Judge]

Sold as is.

[Sean Trujillo]

Yep. Yep.

[Eddie Judge]

Who.

[Edwin Arroyave]

Who's more nervous about the switch?

[Sean Trujillo]

You know, I, I don't think either of us were that. That nervous. I, I think she probably her though, if I were to guess. I mean, I, I was just kind of up for whatever, but, you know, she, she was worried about this opposite thing and she kind of, she's like, gosh, what if I'm in the middle of the country? Or what if I'm, you know, the opposite, like, with the billionaire or whatever. And she did end up in the middle of nowhere. And, you know, I think she was, you know, Angie's always game for anything, but, you know, it made her nervous for sure to find out where she was going, living off grid.

[Eddie Judge]

Well, I can't imagine what was going through her head when she was standing there looking at the house. And absolutely no grass, you know, no running water.

[Sean Trujillo]

How about that toilet?

[Eddie Judge]

That toilet, the outside bathtub. I mean, that is roughing it.

[Sean Trujillo]

Yeah, it's brutal.

[Eddie Judge]

Now I have a big Question for you. If the roads were reversed and you were in her shoes, how do you think you would have handled her situation? Cleaning the toilet?

[Sean Trujillo]

You know, I grew up kind of an outdoorsman. You know, we went hunting, we did all that stuff. So, you know, I'm no stranger to roughing it a little bit. And you know, me and Electra, we still, I mean, we've got a nice motorhome that we use nowadays, but, you know, we like campfires and we have the ability to get through those things. The biggest thing that the, the biggest challenge I would have had was that toilet. Changing that toilet, that was. Oh, my God, that would have been the worst thing for me.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah. I mean, even the toilets in the RV are luxury compared to what she had.

[Sean Trujillo]

Yeah. You don't have to see anything. You don't. You know, it's just. It disappears. You know, there's. It kind of works on the modern in a modern way these days.

[Eddie Judge]

How funny. How funny. Yeah, so I did. Really. Another thing I wanted to mention is I did enjoy watching the dynamics with, between you and your daughter and Angie. You know, what I learned from the show is that Angie spends a lot of time just doing stuff, getting stuff done, which takes away from time together as a family. Right. But the fact that you are there to take up, you know, the support for your daughter, I find nothing more valuable or more needed in this world than spending time with your kids. Quality time with your kids, you know?

[Sean Trujillo]

Yeah, 100%.

[Eddie Judge]

And if parents are always working because they have to or because they want to or whatever, I think it affects the kids future, you know?

[Sean Trujillo]

Yeah.

[Eddie Judge]

And I just found it so awesome that you guys spend so much time together and do so many things and she's so cool. She's just like so chill. She went with the whole thing. She had a few fun, funny things that she said and it was really fun to watch.

[Sean Trujillo]

Well, thank you. Yeah. I mean, obviously she's my favorite person to be with, you know, and. And you know, we. We have a lot in common. You know, Edwin knows she's. She's a. On the national equestrian jumping circuit. And you know, I was raised with horses and you know, I get to relive my childhood through her eyes, albeit at different discipline. But, you know, we. We just have tons of fun together. We. We joke around a lot. We. We have a blast, you know, but, you know, as far as Angie goes, like, you know, she. She does stay busy. But, you know, I'm just gonna paint the picture when Angie's, you know, wiping off the counter. She's also talking on the phone to Mary or Heather or something like that. So when I get things done, it's done in like five seconds. When she does something, it takes her like 10 minutes because, you know, she's talking on the phone and she's moving around and she's, you know, kind of like her mind's kind of going. And, and so, you know, it's one.

[Eddie Judge]

Of those things that's hilarious because my wife would do the same thing and she would justify it as multitasking. She gives me a hard time all the time because I can't do two things, more than two things at once. It drives me nuts. Right.

[Sean Trujillo]

I'm the same way.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah. And, and, and I've read many studies and articles about this whole multitasking bullshit. I think it is bullshit because like you said, you just made a perfect point. You might be talking on the phone, getting stuff done, but it'll take you an hour to wipe the camera.

[Sean Trujillo]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly.

[Eddie Judge]

That's funny. That's funny. Let's talk about your temporary wife, Lindsay.

[Edwin Arroyave]

Lindsay, right.

[Sean Trujillo]

Yeah.

[Eddie Judge]

I really, I really liked her. I think I thought, you know, I saw a very down to earth, like, humble person, right. Coming into your lifestyle and not necessarily judging, but looking at all these amazing things that you guys have in your life, that she would be like, I can live without that. I can live without that. I can live without that. Right. What do you think was going through her head when she was like, staying with you guys? The real thing, like not the TV stuff.

[Sean Trujillo]

Right. You know, she, she was super cool, you know, just, she's very, very shy, you know, so, you know, there were moments where it was kind of hard to, to sort of, I, I guess have that back and forth. But, you know, I think she warmed up and you know, being on camera, I mean, we had 19 hour days, you know, and it was just like, I mean, you guys know how it is. Cameras everywhere. They did the still cameras in the house and outside of the house, things like that. So it was like you couldn't really go anywhere without being filmed. And you know, while we're used to that kind of thing, she, she was totally like, oh my gosh, did I say something that that wasn't, you know, cool or whatever? So she was kind of worried about how she may have been viewed or may have been edited or whatever. But, you know, she, she is such a nice person. They're just such a great family and we couldn't have lucked out in a, in A better way, you know, so we had a great time. I think she kind of saw the things that Angie does and the things that are kind of part of her daily routine as, you know, well, you know, not, as, not necessary. You know, it's just like, okay, you know, these guys are really focused on just kind of living and having to, to. It takes a lot of work to provide for their families and, and to, you know, just do simple daily things, you know, So I, I think she saw a lot of, of this situation as maybe there's a bit of excess and, and, you know, and I, I empathize with that. I, I see it, you know, I, I see it in myself, you know, just walking around the house like, oh, God, dude. You know, it's like there's five bottles of Pellegrino on the table right now. And it's like, I, I know Electra is the only one that drinks it right now, so it's like, why are there five open bottles? Right? Yeah, you start, you start, you know, the register starts clicking and it's like, yeah, gosh. And then I start drinking them. You know what I mean? So we're not wasting them.

[Eddie Judge]

Exactly.

[Sean Trujillo]

So I, I, I certainly see what she's, what, what she was seeing and what she was thinking and, and that kind of thing, so. But she was great. She was very, very cool.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Feliz fiestas, mi gente. You know me, I'm all about sharing love, especially during the holidays. For me, that comes from giving and connecting with people. So this year, I decided to make the season super intentional. Stocking up on gifts for my friends and family, wrapping up some amazing smartphones, just making sure everyone feels seen and spoiled. Because I love making people feel special. Honestly, that's my ultimate recharge. And holiday gifting has never been easier. With T Mobile, I can get the latest 5G smartphones, get todos quieren all in one place. And the best part, switching to T mobile only takes 15 minutes per line. That's even faster than Santa's reindeer. So if you're like me, what better gift than connection? What better gift than a 5G smartphone from T Mobile? They'll use it every single day and know you care. Call 1-800-T-Mobile to talk to a bilingual mobile expert on the phone. Visit your local store or the Tealife app so you can switch today and connect with Los Tuyos. Check out in 15 minutes or less per line. Visit t mobile.com this is Sophie Cunningham.

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[Eddie Judge]

I found it fascinating that you guys got the opportunity to experience complete opposite lifestyles, right? Like you guys are living in luxury and they're living in, in minimal life and working their butt off every day. That's like one of the interesting things they said is like it's their daily gym. They go to the gym, they, they haul water like Edwin. They were, these were five gallon water buckets that they, they, they had to go down the, the mountain to fill and carry up to the house and dump in a 50 gallon water container so that they have running water for dishes and stuff like that and drinking water.

[Sean Trujillo]

I mean hard work, hard work, hard work. And you know, I mean what we turn on the faucet and get, they have to, that they have to haul it just like Eddie said. And you know, it becomes a thing that you really have to think about. It's like, okay, you know, I can't waste this otherwise I have to go to the stream, fill up this bucket and bring it back, back up, you know.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Edwin Arroyave]

So what do you think she, she, what do you think she loved most about your home?

[Sean Trujillo]

You know, I, I I would say just, you know, the things that we take for granted, you know, the running water, the toilets, you know, things like that. I mean, you know, we have a lady that comes every week and cleans our house. And, you know, there, there are things like that that I think, you know, she would probably, she probably would think about and think, God, that would be pretty cool. You know what I mean? And, but, but on the flip side of it, it's like, you know, to just be able to walk into your place and just throw your boots on the ground and, you know, as where we, you know, on the carpet, on the floor mat before you walk in, no shoe. You know what I mean? So there are a lot, there are a lot of freedoms that, that she has that, that we don't necessarily have or, or that we're mindful of. And then, you know, the things that I think she would appreciate are just the, the simple necessities that we take for granted, like electricity for, for example, you know, they, they use solar and, and all that stuff and, and just the running water.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah. Did you ever ask her, like, would you go back to living on the grid or do you have any future desires to live on the grid, or was that never a subject of conversation?

[Sean Trujillo]

No, we definitely, we definitely had a conversation about that. But what their plan is, is to just kind of upgrade what they have. They want to, they want to build it all out in the current dwelling to where, you know, they have all the modern, you know, things, the necessities, the running water, you know, a good electrical grid, you know, like a higher powered solar system, things like that. So their idea is to continue to upgrade where they're at. So they have those things.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah. Now, it didn't reflect on the show, but Tamara asked me this question and I didn't know how to answer it. Like, do they, do they not go to work? Is, or is their job like taking care of the house and the kids daily?

[Sean Trujillo]

No, they have a, they have a pretty cool small business. They, they have a fishing gear company. So, so they have their own brand of poles and tackles and, and like, you know, just hats and all kinds of fishing gear. That's, that's, you know, they do it all from casting rods to fly fishing rods and, and things like that. I think recently, just over the last couple of weeks, they've, they've entered a buy sell agreement with a partner. So they're looking at selling that company and then kind of pivoting to something else. But, you know, they, they have had this company For a while now.

[Eddie Judge]

Good for them.

[Sean Trujillo]

Yeah. Yeah. So they're entrepreneurs on top of it, you know.

[Eddie Judge]

That's so cool.

[Edwin Arroyave]

Yeah, Pretty cool.

[Eddie Judge]

Edwin, have you ever aspired to live off the grid like that?

[Edwin Arroyave]

No. I think I'd be the worst outdoor person ever.

[Eddie Judge]

Have you camped or done any of that?

[Edwin Arroyave]

I've done glamping.

[Eddie Judge]

Glamping.

[Edwin Arroyave]

Never camped. Not made out for camping, unfortunately. And I grew up pretty rough, but camping, that's just not my thing. But I appreciate people that can do it. That's why I'm in awe of all this. It's pretty cool.

[Eddie Judge]

Well, before I met Tamara, I was like you, and I said, if unless there's a Four Seasons, I am not going. And when she got me out to the desert and I got hooked on the desert toys and, you know, one of the. One of the most amazing experiences I enjoy about camping is sitting there around the fire and just staring at the fire and listening to the crackle of the fire and just letting my mind calm down and not think about anything other than what's in front of me. It's the most peaceful experience I could. I could think of when it comes to camping.

[Sean Trujillo]

Yeah. It's almost a meditative experience, you know, when you're kind of hanging out, just, you know, you can think freely and no distraction.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah. Yeah. I. I don't know any other way of getting that, because I do know under. I understand the whole transcendental meditation and the value of it, but I. I just can't do it. Not yet.

[Sean Trujillo]

It's tough for me, too. Yeah.

[Edwin Arroyave]

By the way, what was easier to film? Housewives or over the. Or the Wife swap?

[Eddie Judge]

I was curious about that, too.

[Sean Trujillo]

Well, you know, I think, you know, I'll speak for myself. I mean, Housewives was easier because, you know, I'm. I'm. I have limited, I guess, exposure on that show. You know, this one, like I said, you know, we had. We had long days, and it was just, you're up at, you know, 6:37am and you're going until the sun goes down. So, you know, it was a lot more rigorous, and there was a lot more, I. I think a lot more expected, you know, from me specifically. But I think Angie would say the same thing, too. I mean, even though, you know, the Housewives, you know, she's filming a ton and she's doing a lot. But I think just the mere fact that, you know, there was just that those big days, you know, without any break in between or whatever it was.

[Eddie Judge]

Was much tougher gosh that does sound like horrible day, you know.

[Sean Trujillo]

Yeah, I mean, it was a great experience, don't get me wrong. But, you know, we. We were. We were tired by the end of the day.

[Eddie Judge]

I bet. I. I did also appreciate watching you do her hair and giving her the makeup or the, like, makeover. That was pretty cool.

[Sean Trujillo]

She pulled me out of retirement.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah. Yeah. So good to see you in action.

[Sean Trujillo]

Thanks. Thanks. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it was. I. I haven't done that, you know, stuff for. For quite a while now, but, you know, like I said, hands kind of in it with. With like, Elektra or whatever, but, yeah, she definitely pulled me out of retirement on that one.

[Eddie Judge]

Now, they didn't show. At least I don't remember if they showed. You guys actually getting your hands dirty in the fish cleaning. Did you get. Did you get to do that? Did Electra get to do that? Or were you guys just watching?

[Sean Trujillo]

I. I got to do it. You know, it's something that I was familiar with, so it was. It was kind of easy for me to just kind of go in and. And do what, you know, what I'd been raised to do, basically. You know, we did. We've done a lot of fishing and stuff like that as. As we grew up in my. My household. But, yeah, I got my hands dirty.

[Eddie Judge]

Did your daughter get. Get into it, or.

[Sean Trujillo]

She's like, no, she was just like, no, thanks. You know, I'm good. You know, right when she was about to kind of, you know, when Lindsay was going to try to talk her into it, Mary walked in. So, you know, Mary kind of diverted that attention to. To whatever she was doing. So.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, I appreciate the fact that Mary came in and, you know, kind of observed what was going on while her best friend was, you know.

[Sean Trujillo]

Yeah.

[Eddie Judge]

Roughing it. It was. It was a nice touch.

[Sean Trujillo]

She was genuinely concerned about both of us. You know, she's like, I'm gonna go see what Sean's up to. And then, you know, we need to see if we need to go save Angie.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Sean Trujillo]

Yeah.

[Eddie Judge]

That's hilarious. And. And funny, because I have some friends that do the same thing. Like, when my wife goes travels, they're like, would you like to come over for dinner? You know, we can do this. We can do that. I'm like, I'm not incompetent. You know, I could take care of myself.

[Sean Trujillo]

Right.

[Eddie Judge]

But I appreciate you inviting me over.

[Sean Trujillo]

Well, it's nice that we have people to. To keep an eye on us, right?

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah, absolutely. I also saw that you guys were making a garden. I can't tell you how much I want to do that. I just, you know, living in a community association where I live, and, you know, I want to have chick, but, you know, we'll get kicked out. Yeah. From our HOA if we. Chickens. Right. But I. I just love that whole part of. Of living on the land, you know, just. Yeah. As much and as little as possible. Like, I would never have cows, as much as I love cows. But I. When it come. When it would come to, like, you know, slaughtering them, I couldn't do it.

[Sean Trujillo]

Yeah.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah, it just couldn't do it. So. But I. I don't even know if I could do a chicken if I had to, but I think I would appreciate the fact that I'd have, you know, some chickens, laying some eggs, some garden, creating some vegetables and fruits. What kind of. What kind of vegetation did you guys grow?

[Sean Trujillo]

Well, you know, it's one of those things, too. Like, in our last house, we had a little garden. We kind of do kind of the Greek necessities, like the cucumbers, the tomatoes, you know, the onion, stuff like that. And then when we moved to this house, we haven't really had a chance to, like, get, you know, that thing going, so. So it was a. It was great to actually just kind of do this small box garden that she recommended. We do. And gosh, it ended up being on. I mean, we do a lot of Greek salads and, you know, it was cool to just be able to walk out in our backyard, grab whatever we needed, and then just bring it to the table. So, you know, that was. That was one of the highlights for me, and it was just kind of one of those ongoing highlights that we could just go and do that every day.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah. And I. I truly believe it. It teaches your children the value of real food, you know.

[Sean Trujillo]

Oh, absolutely.

[Eddie Judge]

Because if they never see where food comes from, they think, oh, everything comes out of a box. You know, lettuce out of a box. Right. It just doesn't work that way.

[Sean Trujillo]

Well, it's like, you know, you go eat, you know, at a restaurant or whatever. I. I don't really eat tomatoes if they're not out of the garden. They just don't taste like anything. So it was good to just get this natural product out of the ground and, you know, have it taste the way it should taste. And, you know, it was. It was great.

[Eddie Judge]

And you're absolutely right. If you can taste it, you. You once. You'll never forget that. My wife and I Were at our big bear house over the weekend, and we just took the dog for a walk. And we walked by this house that had this tree with all these apples on it, and they looked, you know, regular sized apples. So I said, you know, I'm gonna grab one. And I think she did a little video clip for Instagram, because nothing happens in my household that doesn't make it on Instagram.

[Sean Trujillo]

Right.

[Eddie Judge]

So I, I pulled the apple, you know, cleaned it off with my shirt and all that, took a bite, and holy cow, it tasted so damn good. Yeah, I like apples, but, like, lately they have tasted more like water than apples. Yeah. And it's. It's amazing what natural nature really can provide all these chemicals.

[Sean Trujillo]

100%.

[Eddie Judge]

Yep.

[Sean Trujillo]

It's just, you know, it, it. It's completely different.

[Eddie Judge]

So are you guys keeping up with the garden?

[Sean Trujillo]

Yeah, we kept it up and, you know, it's starting to get cold here. I had to clean it out last week, but, you know, we. We kept it going through the summer and we had plenty to. To utilize everything that we planted and, and, you know, we basically used it all, so.

[Eddie Judge]

Oh, cool.

[Sean Trujillo]

Yeah, it was great.

[Edwin Arroyave]

Sean, by the way, where did you, you know, you. You have obviously the cosmetology hair salon background, right?

[Sean Trujillo]

Yeah.

[Edwin Arroyave]

And then you have this outdoor background that normally isn't. They normally don't go together, right?

[Sean Trujillo]

Horses.

[Eddie Judge]

Right?

[Edwin Arroyave]

Horses. Cosmic. Like that normally doesn't go together, right?

[Sean Trujillo]

Yeah.

[Edwin Arroyave]

Where do you think that came from for you?

[Sean Trujillo]

Well, you know, I mean, there was one of those things where, you know, I was always still kind of artistic. Like, I loved the paint, you know, and I loved, you know, fashion, you know, to a degree. You know, I cared about, you know, the way I looked, stuff like that. But. And I always had that growing up. I probably picked that up from my mom because she always looks perfect. You know what I mean? It's like I've never seen her without makeup or done up. And, you know, I think that rubbed off, but, you know, it definitely doesn't go together. And the crazy thing is, is when I was like, 19, I started dating a hairdresser. And she's like, man, you should think about doing this, because I was raised in construction and, and you know, I. After. After a year, year and a half, I thought, you know, this could be cool. You know what I mean? I saw a documentary on somebody that. This. This guy that was working on supermodels and stuff like that. I'm like, okay, that could be really good, you know, so Paul Mitchell. Well, yeah, his his name happened to be John Sahag. He was an editorial stylist back in the day. And, you know, I, I went, signed up for school and I knew, I knew the first day this is, this was my thing.

[Eddie Judge]

So. That's awesome.

[Sean Trujillo]

Yeah. And, you know, you, you deal with the stereotypes, you know, working in that business, you know, but the strange thing is, is, you know, from day one, I always had a girlfriend or something like that. But you still, you know, you get to the point where you don't really care. You know, I'd rather, I'd rather do that than mix cement. You know what I mean? So for a living. So, you know, I really didn't care what people thought. You know, I just, I feel so lucky, you know, over the last 30 years, 32 years that I've been able to wake up and love what I do.

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[Eddie Judge]

One of the things I do to keep myself humble is I haven't done it in a while, but I go back to the neighborhoods where I grew up and they're nowhere near what neighborhood we live in now. Right. So it helps me kind of stay humble and realize that I've struggled. And this is where I used to live and I look at the apartment where I grew up, it's literally as big as my office.

[Sean Trujillo]

Right.

[Eddie Judge]

It's crazy. Yeah. So having that balance, you know, of, of, I mean, I won't, I've never done it, but I can't imagine working and hauling horses around is easy work. I'm sure it's a lot of hard work. So unless you have, you know, 17 staff members doing it all for you, you really don't get the gist of what that, that culture is about and the experience of being around horses is about. Right?

[Sean Trujillo]

Right.

[Eddie Judge]

So I love that balance you have where you still kind of rough it, but you also enjoy the luxuries of life. And I believe that helps us stay humble. Right. To understand and not just see, but feel what it's like not having anything.

[Sean Trujillo]

You know, it's true, you know, and you see, you know, you hear it all the time. You know, it's like people with new money can be a nightmare because they forget about, you know, they try to block out the past and some of the trials and, and some of the things that tested them, you know, through their, their early life. Or whatever. But, you know, for me, I much like you, I do the same thing. I go visit my old house, I drive through my old neighbor. I. I go look at my old church, stuff like that. And I think it. It really does just kind of bring you back to. To center. Right? And. And I think it brings you back to a place of gratitude, for sure. You know, from day one, you know, I've always had to work for what I have. You know, my parents, you know, were entrepreneurs. There were ebbs and flows, and sometimes there was a little bit more, and then sometimes there wasn't anything. So you.

[Eddie Judge]

I.

[Sean Trujillo]

If I wanted a new bike or. Or a new skateboard or some new shoes, that I had to go out and. And figure out a way to do it. You know what I mean?

[IBM AI Representative]

So.

[Sean Trujillo]

And to this day, if there's a penny on the ground, I won't walk over it. I pick it up and I kiss it and I put it in my pocket.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah, My. My wife always says, you know, we don't live in a. In the ghetto anymore. Hey, a penny is a penny, man. Even if it was a half a damn penny.

[Sean Trujillo]

Yeah. Pick it up. Now. I'm picking it up and I'm kissing it and I'm putting it in my.

[Eddie Judge]

Pocket because you know what the value of copper is right now.

[Sean Trujillo]

Yeah. Right, Right. Amazing how that stuff changes, right?

[Eddie Judge]

Hey, Edwin, how do you stay humble?

[Edwin Arroyave]

I mean, I think the same thing. So I love looking at, like, going back and, you know, I still hang out with, like, all my buddies that I grew up with. In fact, I just took them to the Dodger game for the championship series. There's, like, six of us, and. And then we ran into three other guys that we grew up with and just, you know, those childhood friends. I mean, to me, the. The. For whatever reason I was telling them this the other day, some of my best experiences were with them. And I think as a child, because you really had no worries back then, even though it was the. This humble beginnings for me, like, I. I didn't have to worry about work. I just was out there playing, having a good time with. With the. With the boys, so. Yeah, but stuff like that, like, for me, the humility has always been sort of for. I've always felt like it could all be taken away in. In a second. One bad move, and it's all gone. And I think that's why I've never taken it for. For granted, you know?

[Sean Trujillo]

Yep.

[Edwin Arroyave]

And knowing what that other side tastes like as well.

[Eddie Judge]

Right.

[Edwin Arroyave]

It's like One bad move, you'll go back to that lifestyle.

[Eddie Judge]

So, you know, funny. Funny thing is I. I've always told myself I've been there. If I lose it all and I have to start over, it's not a big deal because I've. I've done it before. And this was, you know, most of my mentality growing up the last 30 years, trying to make, you know, something of myself. And today I'm like, I don't want to start over. Fuck that. I don't want to go backwards anymore.

[Sean Trujillo]

The good part is, you know, where you. That, you know, that you can, you know, And. And I. I think, you know, three of us guys here, like, we know we could do it if we had to, although we don't.

[Eddie Judge]

But.

[Sean Trujillo]

But I think a scarier place is preservation mode. You know, you don't want to be so scared to take risks that. That, you know, you're. You're not in creative mind and. And building something. Right. So. But, you know, it is great to know that we could do it if we had to.

[Edwin Arroyave]

One of the things that I've. I've appreciated over the years has been, you know, when I first met Teddy, I lived in a big house. It was probably 6,000 square feet. And I started staying at Teddy's condo, which was like 800 square feet, right?

[Sean Trujillo]

Yeah.

[Edwin Arroyave]

And I found it, like, I enjoyed going from a big house to a smaller condo. It was just something about waking up and just. Just being able to just go to the kitchen, like.

[Sean Trujillo]

Yeah.

[Edwin Arroyave]

It was pretty cool, right?

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Edwin Arroyave]

And similarly, now, like, the girl I'm dating, same thing. She lives in a nice little condo, and it's nice to just be able to just go, and everything's there, Right?

[Eddie Judge]

Right. It.

[Edwin Arroyave]

It versus a big house.

[Sean Trujillo]

It simplifies things, right?

[Edwin Arroyave]

Simplifies things. There's something to be said about it. A lot of peace.

[Sean Trujillo]

Yeah.

[Edwin Arroyave]

In. In. In that. So that's.

[Eddie Judge]

I got a funny story for you guys the last couple years when we bought a house in Big Bear. It's a small little house, probably 2500 square feet, four bedrooms, and we've redone it. And that's because Tamara just loves. That's kind of like her escape, you know, just to redo the house inside it out, and she just loves it. So we did a great job with this house, and now we've made it our own. It's very cozy. It feels like at home. And, you know, we get. When we have guests over, they love the. What she's done to it. So it Feels good that her creativity is, you know, appreciated. Right. So now that we're done with that phase, we're like, well, should we get a bigger house out here in Big Bear? And I'm. First thing I'm thinking, like, I'm the one that has to clean this damn yard. Yeah. And this last week, because of the season we're in, I had to. To. I mean, it's not a lot of work, but I had to blow all the leaves and acorns off the deck and just clean the damn yard. But normally I do that when we get there and then it's done. This last week, I was doing it every other day because it was coming down that hard. And I'm like, I'm done with these trees. We're taking them out. But my thought was, like, do I really want to live up here? Because this is a lot of freaking work. And then we went to a Oktoberfest celebration, which is fun. It's so unique up there because it's such a different environment. And we met a young couple that were friends of friends that live here in Madeira, and their parents own one of the biggest houses that's near the slopes. There's a street called Switzerland that's right by the slopes. Right. The actual street is a shithole. There's potholes everywhere. But when we first moved up there, you know, we're kind of looking around, walking around, and we walked by this neighborhood, and there's like five or six giant homes. Like 10,000 square foot, two acres. Like, you can see it from the street, and you're like, who the hell buys or owns a house that big? Eight bedrooms, you know, it's like giant. So they invited us over, and sure enough, it's that big giant house that's for sale. It's eight bedrooms. It's tall. Tall, like 25, 30 foot ceilings. It was incredible to see. But what was the first thing that I thought, thought, can you imagine the maintenance on this house?

[Sean Trujillo]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Eddie Judge]

No, thank you. I don't want it.

[Sean Trujillo]

It's a lot. It's never ending when you get it into that range, you know?

[Eddie Judge]

And again, I. I also appreciate and understand, you know, if you have that kind of money, you're probably not blowing your own dawn. You know, you're probably right. But. And. And it's not that I can't afford it. I just. I like doing that stuff because it makes me feel young. Right. It makes me feel like I can when. When I get stiff because I haven't moved or I Haven't exercised or I haven't worked out. You guys know that feeling? You feel stagnant, you feel sick, you feel like you're getting old. So I like to move and do things, and that's the main reason why I do my own kind of lawn keeping at the house in Big Bear. First of all, there's not a lot to do. It's just blow leaves. Right. And during the winter, you know, I, I have gone out there and blown the snow off the driveway. It took me two hours, but it makes me feel young. It makes me feel like as long as I could still dig a hole or ditch with that shovel, I think. I think I'm doing pretty good health wise. Right.

[Sean Trujillo]

Well, I'm with you on that, you know, and it's certainly not that you couldn't hire somebody to do it, but, you know, if you can do it and you can make time to do it, you feel, you feel responsible and capable. Right?

[Eddie Judge]

Like.

[Sean Trujillo]

Like it makes sense. Like if, if you have the ability to fix something in your yard or on your house, you feel capable, you know, so. So I'm with you on that. I try, I try to only hire out what I have to.

[Eddie Judge]

Right.

[Edwin Arroyave]

I think the key word there, Sean, is if you can.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah. For me.

[Edwin Arroyave]

I watch those reels of like, like people trying to do handyman and they always get hurt. They'll fall from the ladder or some just happens. I'm like, that would be me, some handyman stuff. I would get hurt.

[Sean Trujillo]

Well, when you get at my advanced stage, you know, you definitely want to stay away from a ladder if it's over 10ft, you know, for sure.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah. I, I used to have no problem climbing trees when I was a kid, and I didn't even think about the fall. But now when I go up a big ladder like that, I'm like, like, maybe I should hire somebody.

[Edwin Arroyave]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sean Trujillo]

When you hit the ground, it's going to be a little bit different these days, you know.

[Edwin Arroyave]

Hey, Sean, so did you. After just going back to the show, is there anything that you experienced on the show that you're going to implement now with. With the wife swap.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Edwin Arroyave]

Household.

[Sean Trujillo]

Well, I'm definitely going to keep that garden up. There's no doubt about that. But, you know, I think in addition to that, you know, it's just me and Angie coming and seeing that, you know, she doesn't have to create so much busy work for herself. You know, I think sometimes, like, at the end of the day, you know, so. So me and Electra, like, to sit down and watch a movie or. Or a series, you know, at the end of the day, and it's just kind of our way to chill.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Sean Trujillo]

But more importantly, it's really the only time I get to have Electra sitting right next to me. Me. And I love that. You know what I mean? And it's like, even though we're watching something, you know, we'll. We'll have a conversation about, you know, a scene or. Or whatever, or I'll tease her about something or, you know, if there's. You know, right now she's really into, like, Cobra Kai and Stranger Things. And it's like, when we're watching that, I'm like. I'm like, so. So who do you have a crush on? You know, so I can start doing things like.

[Eddie Judge]

Like that.

[Sean Trujillo]

You know what I mean? And. And. And, you know, it's just really a special time for me because she's right next to me. I get to hug her, I get to have my arm around her. Stuff like that.

[Eddie Judge]

So.

[Edwin Arroyave]

Yeah, that's such a good point, Sean, by the way, in regards to busy work, like, I found myself, prior to all the stuff with. With Teddy's situation, and in our situation, I was always creating busy work for myself. And one of the things that I've learned from going through this situation is I stopped with the busy work and I found myself with a lot more time to enjoy stuff.

[Sean Trujillo]

Right, right.

[Edwin Arroyave]

It's interesting that you said that, because it's a very true thing. Like, you just start creating busy work, and you're just busy. Like, I literally would look for stuff to do or look for wrong things. Like, all right, I've got to check on this, because something must be going wrong here in this part.

[Eddie Judge]

The of.

[Edwin Arroyave]

And I've just kind of let go, and it's brought me so much peace.

[Sean Trujillo]

No, it. It really does. And, you know, and I think the older we get, the more. More knowledge we gain in terms of, like, this situation in general, not having the busy work. It's like, you know, there's always something that can be done or whatever, but do you need to. Does it have to be done right now? And is my special time with my daughter more important than sweeping the garage or. Or whatever? And I. You know, what I hope Angie kind of finds or has found, you know, is. Is that you don't have to be doing shit 24 7. Right. Like. Like, come and have a seat with us, you know, and experience what I. What I experience, you know, And. And I. She's Definitely been a little bit better. You know, obviously, you know, she's airing right now, so she's on the phone still with.

[Edwin Arroyave]

But.

[Sean Trujillo]

But, you know, it's like, I. I think it used to drive her nuts when she used to see us sitting there, you know, kind of doing this thing, and it's like, look, this is special to me. I'm not changing it. You know, you can call me lazy, whatever you want, but I'm doing it still.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Sean Trujillo]

So I'll get. I'll get my done, you know?

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah. Because it takes us five seconds, you know.

[Sean Trujillo]

Five minutes. Yeah, you do that. Five minutes. Yeah.

[Eddie Judge]

Well, I. I appreciate the scene where I think you guys were on the couch and you're invited to come watch TV with you. And she looks back, Angie looks back and goes, I gotta go do laundry and I gotta do this and I gotta do that. Oh, my God, what a great scene.

[Sean Trujillo]

Yeah, well, you know, it's funny because that scene, you know, she's spraying off the counter, and I'd done it five minutes before that. That, it's like, all right, whatever. That happens a lot, you know, it's just like, dude, I just did that.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

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[Eddie Judge]

One of the things that I remember was said on the show was that she wanted to, at the end of this experience, wanted to, wanted you guys to really miss her and, and, and appreciate how much she does for you and how, how accurate or, or how, how was that after she had, you know, been to the farm and came back? How was that effective in her thought? Or did she completely decide, you know what, that's not what I want my kids or my family to do, it's miss me while I'm gone. Does that make sense? Does that question make sense?

[Sean Trujillo]

Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, I mean, here's the thing, here's the thing about this, this, this whole process was like, it was pretty fast. I think it was over three or four days is all.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sean Trujillo]

And we were grinding the whole time, you know what I mean? So, so like it seemed like it was so quick. There really wasn't enough time to, to, to think about like, oh, I miss Angie or anything like that, you know? I think so. So I think it was a little bit too fast. Now had it been like, you know, the old wife swap days where they go for like a couple weeks. Yeah, I think that would have given us a big enough Break to, actually. Okay, we need mom back now.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Sean Trujillo]

Because, you know, although I. I think I would have had a great experience either way. I. You know, there's something about getting back into your routine, and it's like, oh, can't wait for Angie to get back and I can go and do my thing. You know what I mean?

[Eddie Judge]

So was there one or two or three things that in the short period of time you were apart that you wish, like, you realize, oh, I do miss this about her, other than her presence. Right. You know, what was that one, if any, that you remember? Like, I wish Angie was here.

[Sean Trujillo]

No, I mean, you know, you mentioned the biggest thing, and I think her presence, you know, is. Is always missed, you know, her humor. I mean, Lindsay. Lindsay. Although I think she's got a great sense of humor, I think she was just kind of a deer in headlights in the process.

[Eddie Judge]

Oh, yeah.

[Sean Trujillo]

So you didn't see a lot of that. But, you know, the sense of humor and, And. And just, you know, I think Electra would tell you she would miss eavesdropping on the conversations that she's having with Mary or. Or Heather or one of those girls, because that. I think that's always fun for Electra to kind of want to be a part of, you know?

[Eddie Judge]

That's funny.

[Edwin Arroyave]

What was it like meeting the family, the flake family? You guys had a watch party, right? What was that like?

[Sean Trujillo]

We did, yeah. We had a watch party.

[Eddie Judge]

Was that the first time you met the husband?

[Sean Trujillo]

Yeah, yeah, that was the first time I'd met the husband and kids, and it was awesome. Like, you know, when Angie came back, she just. She just fell in love with the kids and she loved Tanner, you know, just such a great guy. Just a, you know, just a good old boy. And. And, you know, she really, really fell in love with those guys. And when she told me that they were going to come and do this watch party, I was like. And spend the night at our house, I was like, oh, wow, that's, you know, for a minute, they're actually going to spend the night. Okay, all right, cool. I get that. And then, you know, they got here and they're just a warm. Just of. They've got a very healthy, dynamic family dynamic. They all work together daily, and. And it shows in their relationship, you know, so we had a blast. It was fun to have him here, and I have him here over and over again.

[Eddie Judge]

That's so cool.

[Edwin Arroyave]

Yeah.

[Eddie Judge]

I remember one scene where I think it had to do with the rules, and Angie took them all out to dinner because she couldn't eat at home anymore.

[Sean Trujillo]

She didn't want any more oxtail.

[Eddie Judge]

She didn't want any more oxtail.

[Sean Trujillo]

Yeah, no, thanks.

[Eddie Judge]

And then she gave the kids ice cream or an ice cream sundae or something like that. And they're like, like, it's not good for us, but it was so good.

[Sean Trujillo]

Right, right.

[Eddie Judge]

And they're young, they're little kids, like thinking like that already. Like, I, I am not putting junk in my body.

[Sean Trujillo]

I mean, exactly.

[Eddie Judge]

You know, they're going to be pretty healthy.

[Sean Trujillo]

Yeah. They truly live off the land, you know, if you can.

[Eddie Judge]

So cool.

[Sean Trujillo]

Kill it, pick it out of the ground or pull it off a tree. That's what they do, you know.

[Eddie Judge]

So did you, were you surprised or confirmed when you saw them, you know, the family over? Did you understand Lindsay a little bit better now that you saw the family dynamics when you guys did that watch party? No.

[Sean Trujillo]

You could definitely, you know, I, I definitely had a better understanding.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Sean Trujillo]

You know, I, I think I, I had my head wrapped around it. But when you see them together, you can, you know, there's just something special there that they really have together. And like I said, I think it's, you know, it's one of those things where they wake up together and then they do everything throughout the day together. And, you know, it really just, it definitely builds like a lot of, I don't know, I think there's a lot of love and a lot of character and, you know, they, they, they're great family.

[Edwin Arroyave]

Did you do the watch party at your house?

[Sean Trujillo]

We did, yeah.

[Edwin Arroyave]

You make them take off their shoes?

[Sean Trujillo]

You know, you know what's funny is they do that anyway. We don't make, you know, if we're gonna have people over, we don't, we, we never tell people to do that, you know, but boy, they walk in, they drop their shoes and, you know, they're so polite, well mannered and just great people. Yeah.

[Eddie Judge]

I, I could see how strong the family can be when they're going through what they're going through. Not that they have to, but by choice. Right. They made a choice to do this together because we all have a choice. And, and the thing that stuck out was they have a choice to just simplify their life and make their family core unit. The most important thing, because one thing I learned about having a gym is, is when you experience something hard, like a Spartan race or, or even in the CrossFit world, right. When you experience something really, really tough in life, like picking up something heavy or or for that matter, if you go hunting and you kill a big, giant animal, you, you bond with that person experience. And that's what this family has been doing together to build that, that core strength of their family. Right, right. They could easily make a right turn and live off their, you know, business and, and go spend a bunch of money on a house and struggle like most of America, live on debt and all that. But that's not the same. That doesn't build the core unit of that relationship that you need to be a strong family. Like, I doubt they'll ever get divorced because they're so strong, and I doubt the kids will ever stop talking to them or hate them because they made them go through this. You know, the, the strength and experience they had together as a family, I think is going to build for the rest of their life. They're gonna, they're gonna, kids are gonna get older, they're gonna look back and like, yeah, I grew up in a farm, kind of, you know, living off the land, and now I'm a financial executive making a ton of money. But I appreciate where I came from. From, Right?

[Sean Trujillo]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I, I, I agree. I think I, I think the bond is definitely different when you're with your family 24 7. You know, it's like, you know, you live in the routine that we live in, and, you know, I, I drop Electra off at school and, you know, what am I missing? You know, what kind of, like, little subtleties am I missing when she's at school? Like, you know, these guys get to maybe be a part of or overhear maybe, you know, their boys talking about a girl, things like that, you know, that, that I'm going to miss, you know, when she's at school talking about boys with her girlfriends. Right. Like, I'm not going to be able to overhear and engage in those conversations. So, you know, there is something special. And I think, you know, people that choose to kind of live that way, you know, if, if all those children don't do it, at least a couple of them will. And, and it carries on this strong family bond, you know, for generations.

[Eddie Judge]

I think, I believe, too. I believe 100%. I, like one situation that comes to mind right now is kind of what Edwin is going through, and he has to split his time, you know, with kids. And I know that affects the time you miss. Right, Edwin, like, when you're not with the kids, even though it's kind of nice to have that freedom to go do what you're doing with yourself, you know, to try to try to get through this hard part of your life. Do you miss those times and how do you make up for those times when you're not with the kids?

[Edwin Arroyave]

Well, it hasn't happened. I mean, it was going to happen, and then with the situation that happened, everything sort of changed. Now I pretty much see them every day because I come. I typically come home around 5:30, and then I take cruises to football practice.

[Eddie Judge]

Okay.

[Edwin Arroyave]

And then when I come back, I get to hang out with the kids. It's almost like I'm here from like, like 5:30 to 9. And then I go back home some. I'm seeing them every day. So. But I know before that, you know, we were planning the whole seven days in, seven days out. We never got to that part. So I still haven't really, you know, but like, that said, like, I was able to go away for a weekend, you know, I'm still able to do like, those kind of things, but I. I used to do that before. So as far as like, like, time schedule with the kids, like, none of that is really changed yet. Although as Teddy gets better, we'll probably, you know, start going that route again. But yeah, obviously right now the main thing is making sure she's healthy.

[Eddie Judge]

Right. And.

[Edwin Arroyave]

But yeah, and Sean, I had a question for you. Just kind of back to what you said earlier about Housewives being a little tougher for you than. Than. I'm sorry, how a wife swap being tougher than the housewives. Because in Housewives, you're not sort of the main character. You don't have as much dialogue is part of that. And part of the question is my own experience was, you know, when I was on Housewives, I was so worried about what. I didn't want to say the wrong thing, so I just chose to stay quiet because I'm like, man, if I see something wrong, my business is gonna, you know, go downhill or pissed some people off. And what have I pissed some of the wives off that work that. That work with where their husbands work with me? You know, I was in my head in that. So I just chose to stay quiet. Was that one of the reasons why I was sort of tougher? Like, did you have to like, second guess what you were going to say? Were you in your head like that? Or was that. Were you pretty just open with the whole, hey, I'm. I'm the star of the show here. I got to speak up and I got to do some stuff, you know.

[Sean Trujillo]

I got to perform. I got to perform, you know, it's interesting, you know, when you choose to. To kind of dive into this TV thing, like. Like, initially, you think, you know, do I. Do I have to be careful? But, you know, I thought for myself, like, you know, first season of Housewives, I was like, I just gotta be me.

[Eddie Judge]

You know?

[Sean Trujillo]

And I think at the end of the day, you get criticism, right? So you're damned if you do, and you're damned if you don't. And, you know, and. And I just told Angie, like, we had this agreement that we were just going to be authentic no matter what, you know, so. And, you know, not to say that you don't second guess yourself in a certain scene or whatever, but, you know, screw it. You know, we're in this information age where, you know, even if. If you do say something or. Or maybe behave in a certain way, I. I mean, within 24 to 48 hours, they're on to the next dramatic thing. So, you know, for me, I was just like, I'm just gonna be me. You know, that's it. Like, what you see is what you get. If you like it, great. If you don't, I'm too old to care. You know?

[Eddie Judge]

Takes a lot of pressure off for sure.

[Sean Trujillo]

Yeah, it does. I. I just. You just got to do your thing.

[Eddie Judge]

You know, that's funny you say that, because that was the exact same mentality I had going into filming the show the first time. The Housewife show.

[Sean Trujillo]

Yeah.

[Eddie Judge]

And I normally, I don't learn very quick when it comes to relationships. I don't know why, but there's. Sometimes I learn really, really fast. And in this particular instance, I learned really, really quick that it doesn't matter what I say. You know, going back to Edwin's point, like, I don't want to say the wrong thing because it might affect me. What I learned is it's how it's edited so you could say the right thing at the right time to be the perfect guy, but somehow they will you. I don't know how, but they have a good way of just making you look like an. So I said, all right, I'm shutting up, and I'm staying out of it.

[Sean Trujillo]

Yeah, well, I'm not gonna win this. This whole online stuff, it's like, you know, you could. You could say the right things 10 out of 10 times, and you're still going to have trolls that just decide that they can't stand you.

[Eddie Judge]

Right?

[Sean Trujillo]

And it's like, whatever, you know.

[Eddie Judge]

You know, funny thing is, I recently made a hard decision that two things I I started taking time off of Instagram, and for some reason, I don't know why, I felt compelled to post that. I'm taking a break, okay. In case, you guys, you know, miss me for a week, I'm gone. I don't know. Why do I have to ask permission? But the other thing is, I started really using the whole blocking tool before they. I didn't use it because it was about having numbers, followers and all that. When you block them, it reduces it, and it was just stupid shit to think about, like, I don't need numbers. It's all about engagement. Right. And so I can't tell you how gratifying it is to just block these idiots, these trolls you're talking about. I mean, it feels so good. Good. Yep. And. And even if they're not saying anything about me, maybe they're saying something about my guests. Like when we do our podcast and, you know, we have you on the show and somebody says, oh, he's. He's gay. Yeah, luck. You know, I don't need any of this negative, because that's exactly how I live my life.

[Sean Trujillo]

Right.

[Eddie Judge]

You know, when I'm around people that are negative, cancerous, and. And just hate everybody else, I don't want to be around that.

[Sean Trujillo]

Absolutely blocked. Yeah. Yeah, I. I do it, too. I do the same thing. It's just like, you know, but what's interesting, though, is, like, you know, you'll click on a person who has something negative to say, zero followers, zero post. It's like, who's trolling? You know, it's like, if you're gonna, you know, put your money where your mouth is, like, if you feel this way about me, show me who you are.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Sean Trujillo]

You know what I mean? But, you know, a lot of these people, it's like, who knows? Maybe it's one of the other housewives that has a troll account. You know what I mean?

[Eddie Judge]

And, you know, that's more common. That's not now.

[Sean Trujillo]

Yeah.

[Eddie Judge]

You know, and it all started in New Jersey, and it's made its way to California and the East. The West Coast. But it is. It is true that these guys, you know, will create these fake accounts just. Just. Just to harass you. Right?

[Sean Trujillo]

Yeah.

[Edwin Arroyave]

Yeah.

[Sean Trujillo]

It's bananas. I don't understand that mentality. You know, if I have something to say to somebody, I'll just call them.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Sean Trujillo]

You know what I mean?

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Sean Trujillo]

So it's.

[Edwin Arroyave]

It's bizarre as we wrap up, Sean, if you were allowed to choose a wife from the housewives, which one would you Do a swap with.

[Eddie Judge]

And. And we don't count. Not.

[Sean Trujillo]

Are you talking Salt Lake?

[Eddie Judge]

No, no, no.

[Edwin Arroyave]

Franchises.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah. Except us, because, you know, we're friends. So.

[Sean Trujillo]

Gosh, you know, that is something that I've never thought about. But, you know, I will say that, you know, somebody like Nene leaks or somebody like that would be a riot, I think.

[Edwin Arroyave]

Yeah.

[Sean Trujillo]

Or a headache in my house or. Yeah, it could be. It could be awesome. Or it could be an absolute disaster. Yeah. But somebody like that would be, I think, hilarious to kind of have in my house and kind of get her in the gym and, you know.

[Edwin Arroyave]

Oh, yeah.

[Sean Trujillo]

Get the leaf blower out. Clean up the yard.

[Public Investing Representative]

The.

[Sean Trujillo]

You know, just stuff like that.

[Eddie Judge]

I could see the fun in that. I could totally see that one.

[Edwin Arroyave]

That could be fun.

[Eddie Judge]

Now, last question, and I will let you go. Would you do White Swat again?

[Sean Trujillo]

Oh, definitely. You know, I. I think it was such a great experience and I think even in a worst case scenario, you're going to learn something. So I would absolutely do it. We had a great, great time doing it and. Yeah, absolutely.

[Eddie Judge]

Well, maybe if we can produce a girlfriend swap show. Edwin, would you do something like that? Sure.

[Edwin Arroyave]

No, that. It actually does sound pretty fun. I mean, it's. The experience sounds pretty gnarly. It sounds pretty cool.

[IBM AI Representative]

Yeah.

[Edwin Arroyave]

Experience that, you know, just someone that's totally opposite of. Of what you are, you know?

[Sean Trujillo]

Yeah.

[Edwin Arroyave]

But I wonder what it would be like if it's not as opposite. If it's kind of similar, you know? For instance, they swap you with Dorit Kemsley or something. Yeah. You know, and she comes into your house. It's the same, you know.

[Sean Trujillo]

Well, you know, when I saw the Gorgas episode last night. Night, it was like, you know, if they swapped us with those guys, like, it's pretty much the same.

[Eddie Judge]

Right?

[Sean Trujillo]

Like.

[Eddie Judge]

Right.

[Sean Trujillo]

The organization, the tight. You know, So I don't know if there'd be a lot of story there. You know, you have to. You have to have a juxtaposition to create that. That. That story, you know?

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah. Yeah, you're absolutely right. And. And I do see that and appreciate that of the producer as the producers make those decisions, because otherwise it'd be like watching paint dry. And I always say that about myself. Like, I. I'm not good TV because I don't like drama and I don't know how to manifest drama. My wife's really good about it, but I don't know how to do any of that shit. So, yeah, the drama.

[Edwin Arroyave]

And it would be the personalities.

[Eddie Judge]

Right.

[Edwin Arroyave]

If you, you know, you might live the same.

[Sean Trujillo]

Yeah.

[Edwin Arroyave]

Right now. But you might have a totally different personality. You know.

[Sean Trujillo]

That's true. That's true. Yeah.

[Edwin Arroyave]

I could see, like, I'm thinking, I don't know why I'm thinking dorit, but I could see her bossing Sean around, like, do this.

[Sean Trujillo]

We're going to go do this.

[Edwin Arroyave]

And shot Quinn now.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Sean Trujillo]

We probably wouldn't last five minutes together, now that you mention it.

[Eddie Judge]

Now let me ask you this, because obviously I don't know about you, Edwin, but the whole Bravo network has been about how, you know, I'm gay and Sean's gay and you know, the guys that take care of themselves on TV are gay. Right. And it's mostly a gay network. So would you wife swap with the gay couple? What?

[Edwin Arroyave]

Would I swap with the gay couple?

[Eddie Judge]

A gay married couple.

[Edwin Arroyave]

That'd be interesting.

[Eddie Judge]

I just gave Bravo an idea, so I better get my 15 commission on that when they do that show because that would be funny.

[Edwin Arroyave]

That would be funny. Yeah.

[Eddie Judge]

I mean, I. I've had enough gay friends in my life that they're just so much fun. They're so funny to be around and they're just so easy going. Right. Like, I think it would be a hoot, like maybe take them to a, a biker bar to see how they act. Or they take us to a gay bar, see how we act. Like I'd be funny.

[Sean Trujillo]

Right.

[Edwin Arroyave]

You should be a producer. Some good ideas is.

[Eddie Judge]

I know. Thank you. Thank you. Anyways, you have any questions for us, Sean? Anything else you want to say about the show?

[Sean Trujillo]

No, I just, Just what a great experience it was. Thanks for having me on. I really like you guys and you know, I feel. I feel like family, you know, and I just appreciate you guys having me on.

[Eddie Judge]

Oh, it's always great having you.

[Edwin Arroyave]

Always great having you on.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah. Thank you. Yeah, we've had some great guests and. And you're on top there. Like, it's so much fun chatting with you. And, you know, we were fortunate to meet you in person in, in San Francisco and spend some quality time with you.

[Sean Trujillo]

Yeah, that was fun.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah, I. I think that's where you really get to know the person versus what you see on tv. Right?

[Sean Trujillo]

Sure.

[Edwin Arroyave]

So are you going to Bravo Con, by the way?

[Sean Trujillo]

We're trying to figure that out. We're. We're kind of having a hard time finding a place for Electra to stay right now. So I think it's going to be a last minute decision for me whether I go or not, so. Okay, we'll see. We'll see. Yet to be determined.

[Eddie Judge]

All right, well, if you go, we look forward to seeing you.

[Sean Trujillo]

Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it.

[Eddie Judge]

Thanks again, Sean.

[Sean Trujillo]

Take care, guys.

[Eddie Judge]

Have a good one.

[Sean Trujillo]

Thank you.

[Eddie Judge]

That was fun. That was a lot of fun. I really enjoy Sean. He's such a cool guy. Just, I, I just like his personality and, and, you know, the way he handles himself. Yep. And I.

[Edwin Arroyave]

He's one of my favorite guys as well.

[Eddie Judge]

Well, yeah, he's just so cool.

[Edwin Arroyave]

Very genuine, very transparent. We've again hung out in San Francisco with them, hung out in Vegas with them.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Edwin Arroyave]

One of my favorite guys from the shows.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah, I, I, and, and I think that was a good point you brought up. Like, what if it's the same? Like, if you swap with somebody with the same lifestyle and the same kind of life issues and challenges and goals, like, how different would that be?

[Edwin Arroyave]

Yeah, the personality is everything. Right? I mean, it's, it's. Some personalities match and some don't, you know, And I think that's what, that's what makes it fun.

[Eddie Judge]

Right. Well, if you get a chance, Edwin, you gotta watch the show. It's, It's. I'm going to rare that I actually find a show that I'm actually enjoying watching, you know, and how to watch it. It's not one of them. Yeah, but this show was a lot of fun, and I really. You got to watch Joe Gorga and Melissa and their Swans up. I, I think it's going to be very entertaining because we all know Joe. Yeah. He could have his own TV show. He's so much fun, for sure. And yeah, let's. Let's touch base after you watch it, and maybe we'll, we'll bring it up in our next podcast and talk about it, because I, I really am enjoying it.

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It's.

[Eddie Judge]

It's.

[Edwin Arroyave]

I'm gonna watch. Seems a lot of fun.

[Eddie Judge]

Awesome. Well, it's always great seeing you, brother.

[Edwin Arroyave]

Likewise.

[Eddie Judge]

Have a great, A great day. I know you got a big YPO thing going. Yeah. And that's always fun. A lot of pressure.

[Edwin Arroyave]

Yeah. It should be a fun day. And we're going to the World Series today, so.

[Eddie Judge]

Oh, cool. The whole, the whole group or just your forum?

[Edwin Arroyave]

No, I'm actually going to take my brother and some executives from the, from the company, so.

[Eddie Judge]

Oh, very cool.

[Edwin Arroyave]

So hopefully I don't jinx them again.

[Eddie Judge]

Well, have a good time, brother. All right.

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All right, brother. We'll talk to you soon.

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