The Eds: unEDited with Frank Catania

Summary

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Two Ts In A Pod: The Eds unEDited with Frank Catania

Podcast: Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge
Episode Date: August 5, 2025
Special Guest: Frank Catania (ex-husband of Dolores Catania, RHONJ)
Co-hosts: Eddie Judge & Edwin Arroyabe

Episode Overview

This lively episode of The Eds (the men's spinoff from Two Ts In A Pod) features Frank Catania, best known as Dolores Catania's ex-husband on The Real Housewives of New Jersey. Frank opens up about his unique family dynamics, his journey as a prosecutor-turned-TV-personality, lessons from past mistakes, the deep respect between him and Dolores, and gives listeners an inside look at Jersey’s "Househusbands" camaraderie. The conversation is candid, humorous, and sometimes deeply personal, shedding light on co-parenting after divorce and finding happiness beyond reality TV drama.

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Main Discussion Points & Insights

1. Frank's Background and Upbringing

• Grew up in Patterson, NJ—initially an Italian-American enclave, now a diverse city with rich history and architecture.
• "I fit every guido stereotype… everything Jersey." (05:04)
• Started in law, following in his father's footsteps, though initially wanted to be a veterinarian (35:54).

2. Path to Law and Personal Redemption

• Practiced law for 23 years (criminal, divorce, real estate). Was the head prosecutor in Hackensack (08:39).
  • “I was more than fair. Because, guys, listen, there’s many times I…was on the opposite end of the law.” (12:38)
• Discussed his own arrest during law school for drugs, and how his experience gave him empathy as a prosecutor (13:19-14:15).
  • “If I didn’t get that chance, I would never be where I was today.” (14:15)

3. Philosophy on Second Chances and Change

• Frank explains how losing his mother in 2007 and being surrounded by positive people, especially Dolores and his new wife Brittany, changed his outlook (16:55–18:14).
• Notable quote about perspective:
  • “If [a kid with prosthetic legs] could smile and love life the way he is, who the fuck am I to complain about the things I complain about?” (17:13)

4. Unusual but Harmonious Relationship with Ex-Wife Dolores

• Described their transition from marriage to friendship and co-parents (19:18–21:24).
• "Dolores divorced me in order to keep our family together." (21:16)
• Both prioritized the kids above personal hurt:
  • "No separate birthdays, no separate holidays. I don’t think my kids, until they were like 18, even realized we were divorced." (21:24)
• Honest about his infidelity, and how their relationship evolved into deep, platonic love and mutual support (20:10–21:28).
• Frank is protective of Dolores like a sister; Brittany, his current wife, is fully supportive of this dynamic.

5. Co-Parenting and Blended Family Success

• Dolores and Frank both modeled hard work and discipline for their children, balancing financial support with high expectations (37:44–38:43).
• “Divorced children do not need to be affected by divorce.” (37:21)
• Daughter Gabby is a veterinarian and a “badass”—tough but compassionate (47:24–49:10).

6. Dealing with Divorce (and Lawyers)

• Divulges the divorce was “nasty” due to attorney interference, despite his efforts to be fair (22:34–24:18).
  • “Not my attorney...her attorney kept saying no, no, no.” (22:53)
• After court, Dolores agreed not to fight over money, and they’ve never looked at the settlement since:
  • “If I had it, she had it.” (24:18)

7. Positive Circle and Surrounding Yourself with Good People

• Frank highlights the importance of optimism and the “glass half full” attitude, crediting his happiness to surrounding himself with such people — especially his wife Brittany (18:14).

8. Frank’s Relationship with Brittany

• Newly married, ceremony performed by Dolores’s ex-boyfriend David (04:13).
• 25-year age difference (63:31) has never been a public issue; his children, especially his daughter, took time to adjust but now are close with Brittany (64:23–65:00).
• "We laugh all the time…I can’t remember the last time either one of us raised our voice." (69:02)

9. Housewives: From Social Media Flogging to Fan-Favorite

• Frank joined RHONJ as Dolores’ ex, dealt with harsh public reactions but became popular once he was himself (50:54–51:50).
  • “For the most part after that, it’s been 95 percent good.” (51:30)
  • “What you see is what you get.” (52:03)
• Shares what it's like to be recognized everywhere, and his love for Cameo:
  • “I’ve done over 5,000 cameos because I enjoy it.” (51:49)

10. Jersey ‘Househusbands’ & Comedy

• Jersey’s male cast members genuinely get along better than in other franchise cities—real friendship helps drive the fun on and off camera (53:28–54:54).
• Frank and Joe Gorga’s comedy show: accidental beginnings, playful ribbing, and the energy of sold-out Housewives crowds (55:21–58:36).
• On nicknames with Joe and Paulie:
  • Paulie is “Buzz Lightyear,” Joe calls Frank “Potato Head”—they bond over banter (41:40).

11. Handling Social Media and Reality TV Pressures

• Frank and the co-hosts discuss the downside of online “keyboard warriors,” bots, and negative rumors. Empathy and authenticity are their shields (60:54–62:13).
• On reality TV and relationships: careful about Brittany joining as a Housewife due to fear of drama ruining their unusually drama-free life (62:13–62:56).

12. Family, Hobbies, and Life Outlook

• Frank’s kids share his work ethic and drive; Gabby is a vet, his son works for a top investment firm (36:44–37:21).
• Shares stories about getting dental work done, needing to be put under anesthesia, and accidentally wetting himself (32:45–34:13)—self-deprecating humor and openness.
• Loves animals, rides motorcycles with friends from the show, enjoys football and traveling (69:02–77:14).

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Notable & Memorable Quotes

• On second chances:
  • "If I didn’t get that chance, I would never be where I was today." — Frank Catania (14:15)
• On co-parenting:
  • "Dolores divorced me in order to keep our family together." — Frank (21:16)
• On perspective after loss:
  • “If [that kid] can smile…and love life, who the fuck am I to complain?” — Frank (17:13)
• On fighting for respect in relationships:
  • “Treat her with respect or I swear to God…I will fuck you up.” — Frank, to one of Dolores's boyfriends (46:30)
• On real love:
  • "I love Dolores probably as much as I love anyone else in my life...It’s more like she’s my younger sister." (26:06)
• On being authentic:
  • "I just started acting myself. And then it turned dramatically where everybody—oh, what a nice guy." (51:14)
• On social media:
  • “Why do people find it necessary [to leave negative comments]? And then it’s usually somebody with no pictures, like four followers…Keyboard warriors.” (61:04)
• On happiness:
  • “Every day is a gift, not a given right.” (74:12)
• On gratitude:
  • “God can call my number tomorrow. I’m not going to be one of those people—shoulda, coulda, woulda. I did it...and I live it, bro.” (65:17)

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Memorable Moments & Highlights (Timestamps)

• Frank explains his unique coparenting and friendship with Dolores (19:18–26:07)
• Frank’s legal troubles and turnaround (13:19–14:15)
• The infamous “VHS tape” infidelity confrontation story (39:34–40:13)
• On being introduced at Joe Gorga’s comedy shows (56:33–57:47)
• Paulie as Buzz Lightyear and Frank as Potato Head (41:40–42:32)
• Discusses cameo and fan encounters (51:49–52:03)
• Hilarious dental story at Smile Texas (32:45–34:13)
• Open and honest about being 25 years older than Brittany (63:31–64:08)
• Frank’s tattoo: “Every day is a gift, not a given right.” (74:12)
• Frank’s take on social media drama and bots (62:13)
• Offer to attend Rams game together—showcases guests’ real friendship (71:04–71:26)

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The Eds' Reflection (Host Discussion)

• Edwin relates the Frank-Dolores dynamic to his own divorce with Teddi—to amicable coparenting, putting kids first, and learning how to transition from partners to friends (79:02–85:51).
• Conversation on whether men and women can be friends post-divorce, how respect and emotional detachment are key, and the value of moving past resentment (82:48–85:51).

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Key Takeaways

• Frank Catania’s story is one of growth, redemption, and self-awareness. He’s candid about his faults and mistakes, yet his journey is rooted in self-improvement and surrounding himself with positive, supportive people.
• His bond with Dolores and their blended family is rare and aspirational, proving that even after painful splits, genuine friendship and unity can benefit everyone—especially the children.
• Authenticity, humor, and empathy are Frank’s biggest strengths, earning him respect from co-hosts, fans, and even co-stars with whom he's had complicated histories.
• Reality TV may amplify rumors and drama, but Frank’s approach—honesty, compassion, and a refusal to let negativity change him—serves as a model for thriving in the spotlight without losing who you are.

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Recommended Listening:
Tune into this episode for a master-class in co-parenting, forgiveness, and creating a happy, blended life after divorce, peppered with laughs and plenty of Jersey personality.

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Transcript

[Frank Catania]

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[Frank Catania]

This is the Eds with Eddie Judge and Edwin Aroyabe.

[Eddie Judge]

Welcome back to the ed's podcast. I'm Eddie Judge and I have my.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

Co host, Edwin Arroyabe.

[Eddie Judge]

Welcome back, brother.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

That's good to be back.

[Eddie Judge]

And today we have a special guest. Everybody who doesn't know Frank Catania. He's a very special guy. Met him a couple of times and we hit it off right from the start. I think I am like a mirror image of him. Not physically because he's so much bigger than me, but we have a lot in common. So I'm really excited to get to talk to Frank and I'm really excited for you guys to get to know him. Frank Catania is the ex husband of Dolores Catania. She's from the Real Housewives of New Jersey. They share two kids together, Frank Jr. And Gabby. And what makes Frank different from other ex husbands is the amazing relationship he has with Dolores and her now partner, Paulie. And I know you guys know that we had Paulie on the podcast recently and you got to hear his side. It was so awesome. So I can't wait to hear Frank's side. Plus, he's part of the Jersey friendships on the show and you know how those guys just get along great and put on a show. And I believe Frank is part of a. Of a show with Joe Gorga. So I can't wait to hear your part of that as well. So welcome Frank Catania.

[Frank Catania]

It's my pleasure. It's my honor to be on the edge. So thank you.

[Eddie Judge]

Awesome.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

Yeah, we're grateful to have you. And first of all, congratulations on getting married. Thank you very much, Brittany. I heard that was a big, big surprise.

[Jacob Goldstein]

Big secret.

[Frank Catania]

Honestly, we tried to keep it a secret from everybody because our wedding, we did have a destination wedding, and the hurricane destroyed that. We rescheduled and they weren't ready. So finally Brittany just said, you know, enough's enough, you know, that was it. So we ended up getting married, and we might as well just jump into it. And Brittany and I got married, and we were married, all right. By an ordained minister who happens to be Dolores's ex boyfriend, David.

[Eddie Judge]

This is such a web. Let's back up a little bit. I want to get to know you, Frank. Where did you grow up? You know, I know you're Italian, right?

[Frank Catania]

Italian. I'm a Jersey boy through and through.

[Eddie Judge]

Okay.

[Frank Catania]

Although we may be making the exit from Jersey partly, you know, Part of the year. Okay.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Frank Catania]

Or more what we call over here Snowbird. But I initially grew up in Patterson.

[Eddie Judge]

Okay.

[Frank Catania]

At a young age, I left the. The city, went to a suburb, and I've been in the suburbs of Jersey, the Jersey Shore as well. You name it. Everything Jersey. And the guido Persona and stereotype, I fit it all.

[Eddie Judge]

So is Patterson that guido type, or how different is Patterson's from Jersey Shore from the suburbs?

[Frank Catania]

Patterson. Patterson itself, right now, which Dolores knows like the back of her hand is a city. All right. Definitely different than the suburbs. You know, I don't know so much if you got the guidos maybe at one time coming out of Patterson, but now the guidos have morphed more into the suburbs.

[Eddie Judge]

Okay, so what's Patterson about now? Because I know there was a subject about Patterson. I just wanted to get to know what Patterson's all about.

[Frank Catania]

Patterson is. Is an urban area, okay? It's an. It's an urban area. Back in the day, it was. When I tell you it was the silk, the factory capital of the world, right? That's where something. I mean, you still see some of the silk factories as well as the garment factories there. And. And some of the houses that were built in Patterson, We. We do a lot of real estate, so we. We get them now, many, many years later. They have woodwork inside these places, guys, which you would never. When you hear about Patterson, you would never expect inside these. They will never be duplicated. They will never be duplicated. The architecture inside some of the buildings there. It's a great city. It's a great city. It truly is. But it's a city. It is a city.

[Eddie Judge]

So does it resemble Italian architecture and, you know, really unique things, or are we talking about holes?

[Frank Catania]

Honestly, it's not so much a hole, but I gotta be honest, it's Italians. Italians came here. Listen, I mean, it is what it is. We were at the bottom of the totem pole. Okay? Patterson was already here. The garment districts were already here. The silk factories were already here. So they were all basically by non Italians. We came in and we worked there.

[Eddie Judge]

All right?

[Frank Catania]

We worked there. You know, initially, we started at the bottom of the total poll. So Patterson itself didn't have Italians 100%. There are certain areas of Patterson where it was all Italian since that time. It has since changed. All right? It's not so much, you know, Italian now anymore. The Italians moved out into the suburbs. But yes, it was. When tell you that there was definitely Italian heritage in Patterson? Everybody. Everybody you talk to in this area of New Jersey. Either they or their family came from Patterson.

[Eddie Judge]

Okay. Did you meet Dolores in Patterson?

[Frank Catania]

I met Dolores. No, I didn't meet Dolores in Patterson. Although, you know, we had a huge nexus in Patterson. I went to a retirement dinner for a judge.

[Eddie Judge]

Okay.

[Frank Catania]

When I was there, Dolores and her mom were waitresses, all right, at this banquet center. And I just said to myself, holy shit, she's fucking gorgeous.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

All right.

[Frank Catania]

Being a big pussy that I am, guys. I didn't approach her. I had one of my associate lawyers at that time. I said, go talk to her for me. Go talk to her anyway, you know, I got her phone number and ever since then, that was it, hit it off.

[Eddie Judge]

So you just hit on something really unique that I wanted to ask you about and that's law. Were you a lawyer, a law clerk or. Or were you involved in law?

[Frank Catania]

I was a lawyer. I was a Lawyer, yeah. For 23 years I was a lawyer, in fact. Yeah, I was the head prosecutor for the city of Hackensack. I was a prosecutor in another township. I was. I was well respected. You know, I did a lot of criminal law, I did a lot of divorce law. I specialized in real estate law. All right. Not only closings, but also real estate litigation. 100%.

[Eddie Judge]

That's awesome.

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[Edwin Arroyabe]

I always wondered, as a prosecutor, are you like fearing for your life at times? Are you always looking over your shoulder or is it no big deal?

[Frank Catania]

Yeah, you normally possibly, yes, you would have to look at guys. I was always fair and honestly, I did one good thing about the housewives, which I just dropped you real quick. I love the fact that everybody comes up and says, oh my God, you're such a good guy in the show. That's me, all right. That's truly me. And that passed on to me being a prosecutor as well. If you come to. If you come to Jersey, you go down to the Jersey shore, you got the boardwalk and you're walking down and people always recognize you and notice you. And when they come up, it's funny because you don't know how to act first, because I don't know whether they know me from when I grow up. I went to school with them. I don't know if they knew me from a prosecutor or they know or they knew me from the show.

[Eddie Judge]

Well, you got many lives.

[Frank Catania]

I'm more Than a cat. More than a cat. But the one good thing is. And, guys, it's probably a dozen times I've had people come up to me, and you realize then that you know them as you prosecuted them.

[Eddie Judge]

Oh, my God.

[Frank Catania]

And. And they would say to me, you know, thank you so much. I said, if it wasn't for you, listen, I had an addiction. You didn't put me. You didn't put me in jail. You believed in me. And, oh, look, this is my family. They introduced me to their kids then. And I. I was more than fair. I was more than fair. Because, guys, listen, there's many times I. Unfortunately, I was on the opposite other end of the law. It's out there. You know, when you get into houseways, I don't have to tell you guys, it's. Everything's on the book.

[Eddie Judge]

Everything comes out.

[Frank Catania]

I was. I was arrested when I was in law school, all right?

[Eddie Judge]

So I became a lawyer.

[Frank Catania]

As much as I got it expunged, I gotta be honest with you. It's still out there, every fight.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

Were you. What were you arrested for? I don't know that one.

[Frank Catania]

Oh, yeah, no, I was arrested. I was arrested for drugs. I was arrested for drugs. You name it. I was admitted to practice law in New Jersey while on probation on a criminal matter.

[Eddie Judge]

Wow.

[Frank Catania]

Which I was the first one out there. All right? Not only did I have a period of probation with a probation officer, but I also had an appointed attorney who was my legal probation officer in the attorney aspect. So, yes, guys, there's not one side of me. There's many, many sides.

[Eddie Judge]

I love it.

[Frank Catania]

Many sides.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

Well, I guess the good news with that is you get to think like both sides.

[Eddie Judge]

Right?

[Frank Catania]

You know, when you're a prosecutor. 100%, man. And that's why I was more than fair. Because if I didn't get it, If I didn't get that chance, I would never be where I was today. I would never be where I was today. And I always tried to. I always tried to give everyone a second chance. I've seen. Unfortunately, I've seen firsthand. I don't care what part of the spectrum you are on when it comes to wealth, because there's certain areas of Bergen county which have some of the richest townships in the country which would show up. I was in Hackensack, which is basically the hub of Bergen County. So you would see people come in there who are just mega rich. And over a period of six months that I'm handling this case. You'll. You'll see the Parents, the parents, age, age 10, 15 years. Having a child addicted to heroin, all right, what they go through, and, and, you know, and I'm happy. I'm happy. Listen, I have absolutely no regrets. There's many things I got regrets about, but not anything to do with me being a prosecutor. Absolutely not.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

That's that moment, the, the catalyst to changing your life around, like, just hitting. Was that like a rock bottom moment for you that just kind of made you flip the switch and say, I want to do something different?

[Frank Catania]

Unfortunately, I've had a lot of those. Rock bottom, nice, you know, because I. Guys, on a daily basis, I go to the top of the mountain. At the end of the day, I may be at the bottom. That's my life, guys.

[Eddie Judge]

All right?

[Frank Catania]

That's my life. So, yes, it was to a point where, you want to know something? Somebody gave me a second chance. All right? And what am I gonna do? Put you in jail? All right? Because what we did do sometimes is, you know, I would give someone a jail sentence or recommend a jail sentence if there was no other way to get them to stop. Because, listen, if you're incarcerated, all right, if we incarcerate you for less than, less than a year, you stay in a county jail, all right? And if you're in a county jail, I'm gonna be honest, it's almost nearly impossible for you to get drugs in there. So it's almost like a forced detox. All right? And other than that, no, man, I'm not gonna, you know, I'm not gonna put you, I'm not gonna incarcerate, I'm not gonna put you in jail for.

[Eddie Judge]

Something that speaks volumes of you. Because I, you know, my experience in the law, it's. It's changed me a little bit where I would say the majority of the lawyers that I've ever come across are just pieces of shits.

[Frank Catania]

They're jerk offs.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah. Very few are actually, like, respectable and really care, you know, a good outcome, or I should say a fair outcome. Right. So that speaks volumes to you, Frank, and I have a lot of respect for that. You know, you are a good guy. You know, I appreciate that, man.

[Frank Catania]

Honestly, I try to think so. I put it out there so many different times as I always consider myself to be somewhat of a good guy. But I, I went further. In 2007, my mother passed away and. And guys, that changed everything. That changed everything. You realize, you realize. You want to know something really, that's. That's what's important. Important things that I. Things I used to get mad about things. I used to get upset. I'm embarrassed now, you know, to say. Yeah, I, I, I say it all the time. I have a screensaver on my computer at work. It's a big screen, and it's this little kid. He's got to be maybe 7 years old. He's crossing a finish line, all right? You can see he's running a race. He's crossing a finish line. He's got his hands up in the air. He's got a huge smile on his face, all right? But we don't see. As you scan down, he's got two prosthetic legs. You want to know something, bro? If he could smile and he could love life, the way is, who the fuck am I to complain about things I complain about, right? And, you know, I was embarrassed. I was embarrassed to myself to say, my God, I can't believe you're getting met. So, yes, truly, that. That was a changing moment in my life. And Dolores. Dolores and her family were also a changing moment in my life. And now my present wife is just a sweetheart. She is happy all the time. You know, it never gives me grief. There's no drama. Always the glass is half full with her. All right?

[Eddie Judge]

So I think the key to that is surrounding yourself with those kinds of people. You know, the people that see the glass half full instead of half empty, and everything's positive, and we all get kicked down and, you know, shit happens, and we got to just get back up and do life. And it's how you do it that determines, you know, the true outcome. You can have a good, positive attitude, push through the, you know, adversaries, or you can sit back and drink and smoke and do drugs and mess your life up and say, oh, it's. It's, you know, I deserve better than this. But you can't get yourself out of that hellhole. So it's. It's definitely. It definitely helps to be surrounded by good, good, positive people. And it sounds like that's your circle, man. I. I had Paulie on our podcast recently, and he. He told me the dynamics of your relationship, and I was blown away. I was like, wait, wait, you guys go to dinner together with the exes? And. Yeah. And even.

[Frank Catania]

It wasn't initially. It wasn't initially like that. Paulie came in, and I said, man, do me a favor. I said, just. Just see it.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Frank Catania]

You know, and the thing is, he had a. He had an issue because one of them, it was. It was new to him. It was new. And he wasn't used to that. And I said. And I used to talk to Dolores because I know Paulie had an issue with it. I said, dolores, let him just see us.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Frank Catania]

Together. And when you see us together, the last thing you got to worry about is that, you know, honestly, of anything there between me and Dolores. Right.

[Eddie Judge]

How would you describe that relationship, then? Like brother, sister?

[Frank Catania]

Yes. Honestly. Listen, Dolores is an incredible person. An incredible person, guys, I'm lucky to have met her. And her family, I'm gonna be honest. And her family, they showed me a whole nother caring side and everything else. And. And. And Dolores. Dolores is a realist.

[Eddie Judge]

All right?

[Frank Catania]

Dolores said to me, listen, do me a favor. It came into the relationship. Every man cheats, all right? Every man cheats.

[Eddie Judge]

All right?

[Frank Catania]

Do me a favor. Don't beat me. All right? Come home at night and don't make a fool out of me.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Frank Catania]

All right. I don't know why I couldn't come home at night.

[Eddie Judge]

I tried one thing. She asked you to do one thing. But, you know.

[Frank Catania]

And again, even to the point where to show you what a woman Dolores was. Yeah, I ended up cheating. Guys, I'm gonna like this. I ended up cheating with one of my divorce clients, no less. All right, all right. So after about four months and I was running around, Dolores came up to me. And this is the kind of woman Dolores is, says, frank, do me a favor. Honestly, Come home now. Come home now. I will never mention this woman again. All right? Let's move forward. And, guys, I couldn't do it because I did love her so much. And I said, dolores, I hope you understand what I'm gonna say. I can't say that I wouldn't do it again. Right now. I don't trust myself, and I can't see putting you through the hurt that I saw her go through.

[Eddie Judge]

All right? Wow.

[Frank Catania]

When I say she was my partner. All right? So, as Dolores will say, Dolores divorced me in order to keep our family together.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah, Right.

[Frank Catania]

And that's exactly it, man. Look, there's. There's no separate vacations. There's no separate birthdays for the kids. There's no separate kid Christmas. She saw me go through that with my parents, all right? And she said, that's not going to happen to us. All right? Quite honestly, I get reality. I don't think my kids, until they were, like, 18 years old, you realized that we were divorced. I think they just think we lived separate and had separate relationships with different people.

[Eddie Judge]

All right, so how old were the kids when that happened?

[Frank Catania]

It started. The kids were young, all right, when it. When the Hit the fan, my son was just. My son was just bored.

[Eddie Judge]

Oh, that's a long time ago, Eddie.

[Frank Catania]

And Eddie, let me tell you something. My timing could have been any worse.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah, could have been.

[Frank Catania]

Could have been.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

And how long were you guys married at that point?

[Frank Catania]

I think we were probably married seven, seven, eight years, all right, before we ended up getting divorced. But she did. She put her feelings, her personal feelings aside in order that our kids would not suffer in any way whatsoever. Okay? When I tell you all, you know, joint trips, you name it, all right? Our divorce was nasty. Our divorce is nasty. What you see now is what the. The culmination of a very nasty divorce.

[Eddie Judge]

All right, well, can you elaborate a little bit more about that? Because I. I would. With having such a great ability to communicate and put the bad feelings aside that the divorce would have been smooth. So what. What made it nasty?

[Frank Catania]

Exactly what you mentioned before. Attorneys.

[Eddie Judge]

Attorney, Right.

[Frank Catania]

Not my attorney. Because, listen, first of all, you never represent yourself, all right?

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Frank Catania]

Any attorney that represents himself as a fool for a client, all right?

[Eddie Judge]

Too smart.

[Frank Catania]

Listen, guys, I felt guilty, all right? And at the time that we were getting divorced, we were doing very, very well, all right? So I said, dolores, I apologize. Here, let me. And I made an offer to her, and it was more. And I did divorce. So I know it was much more than the court would give her. All right? Me and Dolores. And then her attorney at the time kept saying, no, no, no. And I'm like, dolores, please don't. Let's not go to court. We ended up going to court. And while we're in court, basically, judge made a ruling that Dolores was entitled to. It was a little bit more than half of what I offered her.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Frank Catania]

All right? We walked out of the courtroom, Dolores looked at me, and she goes this. Honestly, I'm not gonna fight with you. I'm not gonna fight you. And ever since then, Dolores and I have never looked at our property settlement agreement. All right? When it came to money, if I had it, she had it, all right? She knew the business that I was in. She knew that. That we had peaks and valleys throughout the year. So there were certain times where she got much more. There were certain times that were slow. I said, door, work me. All right? And Dolores is a beast, in a good way. All right? When things got rough, Dolores went back to school to become a surgical tech, all right? She bartended at night. And then when things are good, I mean, listen, she did. She. She reaped. The benefits.

[Eddie Judge]

All right?

[Frank Catania]

She reaped the benefits. And one good thing which I do say is, you know, is I tried as hard as I could to make sure that my children and Dolores, all right, didn't suffer whatsoever. I was a single guy at the time. I was living on my own. All right, listen. And I lived comfortably. But if it's somewh someone had to take a hit, I would. It would be me.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

All right?

[Eddie Judge]

That's amazing.

[Frank Catania]

And so, yeah, we went through a divorce. And it finally got to a point where said, dolores, do me a favor, just give me a shorthouse. We just ended up building a new shorthouse. All right? And Dolores said, okay. Came down, packed her bag down here, so. And she wasn't upset. And next thing you know, she went from the third floor, where the bedroom is, down to the second floor and unpacked her suitcase on the second floor. And I said, what are you doing? What? She said to me, she says, I. I said, you can have the house. I didn't say I wasn't going to use it. So she basically took another bedroom in the house. And guys, still to this day, Dolores comes down. It's. It's the one place where the kids get older and they have their own lives. It's the only place that everyone gets together. All right? So, and that's that, that, that signifies the type of relationship Dolores and I have.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah, yeah.

[Frank Catania]

You know, but. And so Paulie came along and Paulie wasn't used to it. Right. And you asked, you asked that he, you know, what kind of relationship. It got to the point where almost like exactly that. Dolores. I love Dolores probably as much as I love anyone else in my life. My children, Brittany, you name it, all right? She's that important to me because of what she allowed to keep our family together. All right? What she sacrificed personally in order to keep our family together, I can never thank her for. All right, so we've always been good, but again to the point, it's, it's. It's more like she. She's my younger daughter. My younger sister.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah, right.

[Frank Catania]

Where I will protect her. I will. I will. She calls me at 3 o' clock in the morning. She needs me. I will go. And I can tell you right now, Brittany wouldn't have a problem with it. Yeah, Brittany. Brittany saw a mine and Dolores's relationship like eight years before me, you know, we got serious.

[Eddie Judge]

Well, you were friends, right?

[Frank Catania]

Yes. Yeah, okay. Exactly.

[Eddie Judge]

There's a lot of history there.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

Yeah.

[Frank Catania]

So she saw, she saw the relationship with Dolores and I. So she knew that there was nothing to worry about. So that's why when Paulie came around initially. All right, and one good thing about Paulie, I can tell you something. Listen. Paulie and I are the same certain ways, but we're different. You don't have to guess where you're staying with Paulie, right? Pull the police. As straightforward as they come, man. He's got an issue. He'll tell you. All right? He's telling you. That's one good thing about him. And you know, you know, Absolutely. So I kept saying, just let Paulie be around us when we're all together. So little. But little by little, right? He did. And now, honestly, guys, the relationship amongst all of us is great. Yeah, yeah.

[Eddie Judge]

No, it was. It was surprising to hear his side. And he said exactly the same thing. He was a little apprehensive at first, but the minute he got comfortable, I mean, he loves the entire family. Including you, including your family, her family, everybody. It's just incredible. Incredible family.

[Frank Catania]

He's got incredible boys. He's. He's got great. Two great sons. All right, yeah, good. So I said to them all the time, you know, the fact. If they didn't. If they weren't so Irish. All right, Yeah. I said to them, paulie, I didn't check DNA because I don't believe they're yours. They're way too nice.

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So I have an interesting question for you. So obviously you met Dolores.

[Eddie Judge]

You.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

You were obviously very attracted to her. You're like, who is this? I need to talk to this girl. She's the most gorgeous girl I've ever seen. Probably at the time, right? At what point did you go more towards friend zone? Like did you. Were you still married? Or was it after that you started seeing her as a friend or was it during the marriage that you guys sort of just became friends and then that's what ultimately led you to, you know, start doing your thing.

[Frank Catania]

Dolores. I always. To this day, I think Dolores is a beautiful woman, attractive, you name it. All right. 100%. All right. It was the point in time where I think. Where I said, I can't come home. I can't. For the mere fact I can't hurt you again. I can't hurt you again. And. And that.

[Eddie Judge]

And then it.

[Frank Catania]

Then it changed, all right? Then it. Then it changed, so. And again. You know, it's just. I still absolutely care for her, love her like the way I did when we were married and everything else. It's just a different love, guys.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I totally understand that, you know.

[Frank Catania]

Yeah.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

Very selfless of you.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

We just keep on doing it. If they get the chance to just continue to do, they just keep on doing it. It was very selfless of you to actually walk away at that point, because that's, you know, when you can get the best of all worlds.

[Frank Catania]

Most.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

I'll take it, you know.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Frank Catania]

Well, Dolores, the United States of. Dolores doesn't cry. All right? Dolores doesn't cry. Oh, no, man. You have no idea.

[Eddie Judge]

I think.

[Frank Catania]

I think. I think I know, like, maybe three instances that Dolores is ever. Christ, I've known her, all right?

[Eddie Judge]

And.

[Frank Catania]

And I knew how upset, you know, our relationship.

[Eddie Judge]

And.

[Frank Catania]

And. And me being unfaithful hurt her, guys. I just couldn't. I couldn't do it again. I. I couldn't do it again. All right? Me, honestly, I'm different. You know, I watch Extreme Makeover on tv, I start crying.

[Eddie Judge]

Right?

[Frank Catania]

I'm a. Guys, I'm not gonna lie to you, man. You know, emotional. And as you get older, you get more and more emotional.

[Eddie Judge]

Oh, by the way, Frank, I wanted. Before I forget to mention this, nice teeth.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

You like them?

[Frank Catania]

We got the same teeth, Eddie. Exactly.

[Eddie Judge]

I love those guys. They did such a great job.

[Frank Catania]

You know, you guys went to the same people.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah, we went to Smell, Texas. Yeah.

[Frank Catania]

Oh, bro, they're awesome. Let me tell you something. I have nothing but great things to say about them.

[Eddie Judge]

I really enjoyed being with, you know, just meeting them, getting to know them and how they took care of us and. Absolutely, you know, they. They. They did tell me they took really good care of you, too.

[Frank Catania]

Well, listen, now, Eddie and Eddie, both of you. All right, Listen, like I said, I'm an open book. I don't know if told you this down in Smile, Texas, all right? Now, I told you before, I'm a wimp, all right? So you got to put Me, under, all right.

[Eddie Judge]

Oh, you went under.

[Frank Catania]

Oh, I went under. I went up.

[Eddie Judge]

Oh, dude.

[Frank Catania]

Yeah, yeah. I'm a bro. Next thing you know. Now, Brit. Brit, we went together, right? We went one time, and we knew we had to come back in two weeks. So the first time we come down, they do the grinding and everything else. They make the molds, you know, Brit stays awake, all right? She can handle pain. It's amazing.

[Eddie Judge]

Me, I'm a wolf, okay?

[Frank Catania]

They put me under, all right?

[Eddie Judge]

Okay.

[Frank Catania]

We wake up. Brittany's already up standing next to me. I get up, all right? Wake it up. This and that, dude. Lady says to me, I'm sorry I spilled, you know, water all over you. And Brittany's like, no, no, no. Tell them the truth, all right? I pissed myself, okay? While I'm under. So now we gotta come back in two weeks. So the lady says to me, you know, you do. You get, like, those male diapers, you know?

[Eddie Judge]

You don't even know.

[Frank Catania]

So next time we fly back down to Houston. We're driving there, we stop Walgreens or cvs. So I look at Brit, I said, brent, I'm not going in, all right? She goes, I'm not going in. I said, no, you need to go in. At least you. At least if you get them, all right?

[Eddie Judge]

Especially if you're buying tampons, bro.

[Frank Catania]

At least if you buy them, they know they're not for you, all right? So she goes inside, she comes back in the car. She tossed him at me, all right? So really, I thought it was going to be at least 25 years before I had to do this for you. All right? Anyway, I got him. And this time I was under, and I didn't even piss myself. It was a waste. All right?

[Eddie Judge]

Hey, Better be safe than sorry.

[Frank Catania]

Exactly. So, yeah, that's my. That's. But they were still. They were. They felt so bad for me. They wanted me to. Tell me the truth.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

Yeah, right.

[Frank Catania]

Gotta smile. Texas.

[Eddie Judge]

They're amazing. Yeah, I. I always recommend them. They just. The way they take care of you, the hospitality and everything about Texas, I really enjoyed.

[Frank Catania]

But 100.

[Eddie Judge]

Those people were super, super good to us. So.

[Frank Catania]

Yeah, for sure. For sure. Oh, man. I didn't know that, Eddie. I didn't know that. You learned something along the way.

[Eddie Judge]

So we talked about a little bit about you growing up. You have siblings? I do.

[Frank Catania]

I do. I have a sister. She's younger than me. All right.

[Eddie Judge]

Okay.

[Frank Catania]

She's a doctor. All right. It's my. Initially growing up because I get into my children as Well, I wanted to be a veterinarian. All right. I wanted to be a veterinarian. I always worked for a veterinarian. In high school, my dad pulled every string he could and got me into Cornell.

[Eddie Judge]

All right.

[Frank Catania]

At that time was the number one veterinary school.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Frank Catania]

All right? Now, my father. My father was a lawyer. All right. Well respected.

[Eddie Judge]

All right?

[Frank Catania]

And I got there. The guys. When I tell you I fit in like a whore in church, okay. All right. That. That's putting lightly. All right? So I'm. Dad, I'm leaving, man. I gotta get out of here. No, you gotta stay there this way. I said, dan, I don't want to be a veterinarian anymore. I want to be a lawyer. Oh, my God, don't be a lawyer. I'm a lawyer. That's not what it used to be. I ended up. Lee, I ended up leaving, right? I went to the University of Delaware. My dad didn't even talk to me. I didn't even see him for, like six months. All right? So anyways, that. That's why I went there. Ended up becoming a lawyer that way. But my daughter basically finished what I couldn't do.

[Eddie Judge]

Oh, good.

[Frank Catania]

She became a veterinarian.

[Eddie Judge]

That's awesome. Very cool. That's very awesome. Great story. What does your son do?

[Frank Catania]

My son, one thing. I have both my children. All right. Which they both workaholics.

[Eddie Judge]

All right.

[Frank Catania]

My son. My son works on Park Avenue, New York, all right. For a huge. A huge investment. In fact, I think believes the second largest in the country. It's a large investment firm of which he's there. He's part of a very elite group there. And he's. He's doing great. Both. They'll knock on my guys. Both my children. Both my children are doing fabulous. So it goes to show you that divorced children do not need to be affected by divorce.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

What do you think instilled that work ethic in them to succeed on their own? Obviously, you were. You were already successful. And you know a lot of people that. That's one of the hard things. When you're successful and you're bringing up your kids, a lot of times they feel like they don't have to work for it because they sort of get everything right. What do you think you did to instill that mindset for both of them? Because, again, both of those careers aren't easy to get.

[Frank Catania]

Yeah, exactly. Right. And there's three things with respect to that. Number one, Dolores has always worked more than one job since she was 14 years old. Always worked all right? But education in her family was not a big thing, all right? That was. You decided to go, you know, college, great, if not, you know, not a big deal, all right? In my family, education was everything, all right? So I think between on her side, right, being the work ethic and on my side being the education, all right? And then also, Dolores and I, at the same point is my kids growing up pretty much did not want for anything but for one second, all right? If you act spoiled, if you ever act like one of those spoiled children, we will take everything away from you. We'll take everything away from you. All right? And Dolores is more disciplinary than I am, all right? Not that I won't yell and scream like a normal Italian. In five minutes, I'm back to normal, all right? But they're afraid of. They're afraid of Dolores. Dolores is a badass. I'm not gonna lie to you. She's toug. She's tough.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Frank Catania]

She.

[Eddie Judge]

She.

[Frank Catania]

After we met, she became a corrections officer, all right? In the jail. In the jail transporting prisoners.

[Eddie Judge]

Wow.

[Frank Catania]

Eight months. Eight months into her pregnancy for our daughter, I get a call from her chief, Frank, you got to get her out of here. He goes, I can't. I can't be responsible, all right? She's an animal. All right? But that was it. Dolores stopped working at that point.

[Eddie Judge]

Wow. That's amazing.

[Frank Catania]

We got some good stories. We got some good stories. Maybe one day, Ozzy. When all. Maybe all four of us will. Come on. Dolores will tell you some of the stories along the way. Oh, yeah. When I got caught cheating, guys.

[Eddie Judge]

Oh.

[Frank Catania]

Everybody gets. Everybody gets accused, all right? Not me.

[Eddie Judge]

I. I want to hear her side.

[Frank Catania]

You don't have to, because Dolores. Dolores can be nor absolutely normal, guys. She'll kiss you, hug you, even if she suspects anything. Yeah, because she's building a case against you.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah, right?

[Frank Catania]

And when Dolores confronted me, all right, Back then, it was the VHS tapes. She had me dead to right here. Dead to right there. And. And I, you know, doing it. Guys, listen.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

She played the video for you?

[Frank Catania]

No, not the video. She played the videos because when she put the first video in and I. Guys, I'm stunned. I'm like, oh, what do I do now? I'm like, yeah, that's not me.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Frank Catania]

She goes, are you really gonna try this? This is not you. I said, I don't know. I mean, it looks like maybe that's not me. If you put you in the next vhs. All right. No, that's not you again. All right, well, that Whoever isn't you is driving your car. All right, dude, so remember, she grew up in a family of all cops, all right? So she knew she had me dead to. Right? And I never suspected anything because I would come home, she'd kiss me, hug me while she's investigating me.

[Eddie Judge]

Oh, man. Wow. Yeah, she should have been a lawyer.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

So did she take those tapes to the court? You said it was a messy divorce court. Did she show up with the tapes?

[Frank Catania]

You know, she would have in a second. But the thing about New Jersey, unlike California, right. We're what's called an equitable distribution state. It's a no fault, no fault divorce. All right? So if you're getting divorced, it's 50. 50.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Frank Catania]

Okay. Yeah. No matter who's right, who's wrong, you name it.

[Eddie Judge]

All right?

[Frank Catania]

Thank God. All right. Or I would have. I would have to defend myself way beyond that.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah, that's funny. That's funny. So I wanted to ask you another question that I really, really enjoyed. I mean, Paulie and I were laughing our ass off, but he. When he was talking about you and how amazing you guys are together, he mentioned that you came up with a nickname for him and.

[Frank Catania]

Oh, oh, Buzz Lightyear.

[Eddie Judge]

Buzz Lightyear.

[Frank Catania]

Come on, bro. Guys, guys, tell me the truth. When you're. When you guys are having a podcast, when you're interviewing, you're telling me once. Once you mention it, he don't look like.

[Eddie Judge]

Yes, yes. It made a lot of sense.

[Frank Catania]

He's a good looking guy. One thing, one thing Paulie's got on me. All right, well, you got the teeth, I got teeth. I do everything. All right. I got much. First of all, I got much, much bigger legs than he does, too.

[Eddie Judge]

Right?

[Frank Catania]

But the one thing I can't, guys, I gotta be honest, is that hair. His. He's got a full head of hair. He's got a beautiful head of hair, bro. And I. I'm thinking my stuff next week or something. You know.

[Eddie Judge]

That makes sense now because he actually came back and said. He calls you Potato. Mr. Potato Head. And Mr. Potato has no hair.

[Frank Catania]

He's got no hair, bro. But you ever see. You ever see Mr. Potato Head's arms and legs?

[Eddie Judge]

Oh, yeah. Come on.

[Frank Catania]

I was like, bro, come on, man. Give me something better than that. But can I tell you something? I think that that almost opened up Paulie opening his eyes a little bit, all right, where he realized, honestly, busted his balls. He started busting back.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Frank Catania]

In the sea, you know? And, you know, so as much as. As much as it was a little bit serious both ways. All right. It was joking and I think it opened up some avenues for me and him.

[Eddie Judge]

Well, I think anytime you can laugh about anything, you know, just make light of things, even some serious things, you just have to be able to laugh about them because life doesn't have to be that serious. It really doesn't.

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[Edwin Arroyabe]

Since you and Dolores are obviously great, great friends, did you get to give approval on who she dated? Or did you give a. For guys that she dated? Like, why are you dating that loser? Why are you dating this guy? Or did you stay out of the way?

[Eddie Judge]

It's a great question, Edwin.

[Frank Catania]

Can I tell you something? Listen, Dolores, Dolores, Dolores has a very. She's very, very strong will, all right? Very strong will, all right? So she was dating this one guy at one time, all right? And I know they got into a fight and he said something or another, which was not nice. All right, all right. So I call. I call him up, all right? I said, listen to me, right? You treat with her respect. I swear to God I will. You up. All right, all right. I. Dude, I got the call. Stay out of my relationship. That's all you had to say. No more. Last time I got approval. Last time I was asked, I didn't even get involved anymore. If you need me, I'm here, all right?

[Eddie Judge]

I thought I was.

[Frank Catania]

I thought I was doing a good thing, all right? And I got screaming, yelled at by her. The two people I don't like being screamed and yelled at about Dolores and my daughter. All right?

[Eddie Judge]

I bet. I bet. Is your daughter a lot like Dolores?

[Frank Catania]

My. My daughter's a lot like Dolores and I.

[Eddie Judge]

Right? Okay?

[Frank Catania]

She. When it comes to humans, she is so not sympathetic. Okay?

[Eddie Judge]

Okay.

[Frank Catania]

Come to animals. Guys, our house. Our house is a free. You know, Dolores's old house is a free for all. Yeah, She's. Everything's about animals. Everything's about animals. But at the same time, listen, my daughter. Guys, you notice I got a story for everything, all right? So we Just own gyms, all right? We're just on big gyms, you know, the gold gyms, the powerhouse gyms. And we had one real big gym, and in there, we had the MMA training.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah, right?

[Frank Catania]

So as soon as we opened up and we had to handle Gracie Jiu Jitsu in there, my daughter wants to get involved. So she's there, and next thing you know, look, there's no teenagers in the class. There's no females in the class, all right? So she's sparring with grown ass men, all right? Dislocated her elbow, dislocated shoulder, you know, but she don't care. My daughter's. She's tough, all right? So now we start seeing her do. Doing the jiu jitsu. I go and bring this guy in from Russia, all right? To start now with the takedowns, all right? Then we do it. Then we do the Muay Thai with the kicking. Now we got a guy striking. So my daughter's a badass, all right? She really is before. All right? So we're talking. Me and Dolores are talking to her, and we say, listen, Gab, this is for more your protection. You don't ever go out in a. Site a fight with somebody and use this, all right? So as I'm explaining to her, Dolores is there and say, you know, someone starts with you, Gab. You. You make sure that they know, all right? You get them down. You don't, you know, tell them, don't screw with you again, all right? And that's basically where I stop, right? Then Dolores, you know, jumps in, and then you stomp on their head like they're on fire.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

All right?

[Frank Catania]

I was like, that goes to show you the difference of personality between Dolores and I, all right?

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

And it also.

[Frank Catania]

It also goes over into the Housewives of New Jersey. Don't push Dolores, all right? But the ones who know her know not to get her beyond that point, because, Dolores. Listen, guys, the hardest I haven't been in many, many fights in my life, and the hardest I've ever been punched is by the worst.

[Eddie Judge]

Well, let's talk about the Real Housewife experience. Since you mentioned it, how was the experience going on the show? Like, how did you guys find out you guys were cast or invited to be on the show?

[Frank Catania]

And when the New Jersey initially started, all right, Dolores was part of that initial group.

[Eddie Judge]

Okay, all right?

[Frank Catania]

And even though we weren't married, as I said, we were very close. She came to me and asked me, and she basically said our kids were too young. Okay, all right. That she passed on it. All right? But for the first, I think, was seven seasons, Dolores was on almost a friend of or she'd appear as, because she was friends with everybody on there, all right? Whether it be Theresa, whether it be Dina, you name it, all right? And my kids. My kids were on little by little. So they came back to where I think was season seven or season eight, and then they asked her again, and she said yes, all right? She said yes because our kids were now older, all right? Because how I got involved, I have absolutely no idea. She's my ex wife at the time. She had a boyfriend at the time, all right? And when I first came on, you know, because I was building a house for her, guys, I got hit pretty hard. Social media, all right? Thank God. I told my kids everything beforehand. My kids knew everything about me.

[Eddie Judge]

They've always known.

[Frank Catania]

All right? So now it comes out that I'm arrested. Now comes out that I'm gonna get this barred. All right? You name it, guys. Everything.

[Eddie Judge]

Everything. Yeah.

[Frank Catania]

I was like, wow, this isn't for me, man. Get my ass kicked here. All right? I made the mistake of what you guys understand, of responding to people on social media, okay. Which you can never win, all right? You can never win. So then I just started acting myself. I just started acting myself. And then it turned. It turned dramatically where everybody. Oh, what a nice guy. Frank, isn't that. Why doesn't Paulie like him?

[Eddie Judge]

All right?

[Frank Catania]

You name it. So for the most part after that, it's been 95. All right, good. It's been 95. Good. And, guys, let me tell you. You do cameo. Cameo. I've done over 5,000 cameos because I. I enjoy it, all right?

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah, I enjoy it.

[Frank Catania]

Some people call me, who tell me, oh, my friend so. And so her mom passed, guys. And I'm true. I'm true. I'm doing a cameo for somebody. I start crying. I start crying. You know, I was like, oh, man. So. And it's me. It's really what you see is what you get.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Frank Catania]

So for the most part, I got to be honest, I. There's nothing I love with the consequences that have come from the Real Housewives.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Frank Catania]

All right? And we found out no matter where you go anywhere in the world, you know, we went down to the Bahamas down. Down there. And guys, you couldn't walk 50ft without being approached and everything else. And Britney's great that way.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Frank Catania]

Because it's normally very, very respectful.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Frank Catania]

So, you know, I try to keep it nice every morning. Still to this point, I mean, Brit has total access to my phone. I get dms, I get videos where like guys, you know, where you got to like turn the phone like, like, what the hell is this? And then I realize I'm like, oh.

[Eddie Judge]

You know, is Brittany on the show?

[Frank Catania]

Britney's been on the show many a times. All right? But Brittany, Brittany is just a good, happy person, all right? And you know, just a nice person. So they've asked her to come on more and more, all right. But I basically limit her on the show, coming to good events where I know there's going to be a free for all breakdown, all right. Because she's got, she doesn't have a thin skin anymore. And one good thing about it, which is a, is a great storyline, is the ex wife protecting the new wife. Yeah, yeah, she sticks up for her. Right? She sticks up for her. But anybody on the show, she got. Britt gets along with basically everybody on the show.

[Eddie Judge]

All right?

[Frank Catania]

And our experience, our experience on the show and a lot of it has to do with the guys on our show. Yeah, I, I think it takes a step further than all of the other franchises.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Frank Catania]

Guys, we, we always, you know, even if our wife's had problems or X, Y's or whatever, it would normally, would not allow that to get in the way of us.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah, okay. That's a normal thing. That's what a normal guy does. Yeah. Right. And I've experienced, I have experienced on our show exactly what you're, you're getting at. My friendship with David and David and I were probably one of the only ones that got along on the show the many years that had been on now, you know, I've grown to like Terry. He's, he's actually a really cool, down earth, straightforward guy. And then Shane, of course, again, straight shooters. It goes back to being authentic and, and real, just being themselves. That's, that's all you need to avoid or kind of scathe through all the stupidity of the show where people say, hey, your hair's not long enough, your eyes aren't blue enough, your, you know, your smile is not big enough. You're never going to make everybody happy. But the relationships you guys have in Jersey, I've always talked about that, always said, you guys, there's a dynamic there where you have a history. You, you guys really know each other and that's why you're having so much fun.

[Frank Catania]

You know, I enjoy, I get the call anytime we have the guys night where if the guys are going to be Involved, they would say, you know, I get the call from Dolores. Brittany will call me. Do not let Joe get you. Do not like. And next thing you know, Sarah's either carry me out because Joe's the littlest one on the show. And Joe, he could just drink and drink and drink.

[Eddie Judge]

All right. Is he an organizer?

[Frank Catania]

Oh, my God. I was Joe's lawyer. I've known Joe probably close to 35 years.

[Eddie Judge]

Wow.

[Frank Catania]

I used to be his lawyer. And, you know, now we have a comedy show together, the Guys, which I never planned on whatsoever.

[Eddie Judge]

You got to tell us about that, because I know you guys did a skit at the BravoCon two years ago, and you took your shirts off and you did.

[Frank Catania]

There's always something. Well, let me, bro. Remember Bravo, Bravo Con. When it was in New York, all right? So Joe decided he's a comedian. And I gotta be honest with you, bro, he's kind of funny. He's kind of funny. Oh, he is funny.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

Yeah.

[Frank Catania]

So anyway, listen, I know the guy's using me, and I tell him. I tell him all the time. So now he's appearing at Caroline's. He's got two show at Caroline's, which every comedian wants to get to. I was like, how the hell did he get to Caroline? I wake up in the morning, and I'm going through Instagram, laying in bed. And, you know, every day you see Joe Gorga's Instagram, all right, where normally he's got a shirt off, all right? And he gives you your life advice, okay? The usual.

[Eddie Judge]

You know, Edwin does that, too, once in a while.

[Frank Catania]

I need to learn.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

I need to take the shirt off more often.

[Frank Catania]

Joe's always got the shirt off.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

That's what I'm missing. I need to. I need to take off the shirt.

[Eddie Judge]

Take it off all the time, bro.

[Frank Catania]

Listen, Joe Gordon, O.R. takes off the shirt, so it takes your attention off of his height, all right? So now I see his thing. Joe Gorga appearing at Caroline's. All right? BravoCon, blah, blah, blah. All right, you guys, true story. All right? Then I see, featuring Frank Catania. I called you Joe. Hey, man, what's going on? I said. I said, bro. You put. Yeah, bro, yeah, you're gonna come out, you're gonna introduce me. Be out there like five, ten minutes.

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[Frank Catania]

I said, bro, don't you think you should have asked me, am I getting paid? Am I doing anything? So, guys, I gotta be honest with you. That's probably about. That's probably about 30 shows ago. We've been to three countries I can't even tell you how many different cities. So now my, I come out before him and I go on for maybe like 15, 20 minutes, right? And Joe comes out and I never planned on it. I gotta be honest. I never planned on being a comedian. I, I, I was scared shit of it, all right? But that, that's how it started. We just had one not too long ago, and they're not big. Listen, we, we had some in Atlantic City where we had like 12, 1300 people. Most of our venues are anywhere from maybe 150 to 250. But it's nice, it's nice. You usually sell out and it's, it's, it's a housewife crowd.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

Do you think he'll, you'll ever, he'll ever open for you?

[Frank Catania]

Yeah, never about, never about. Yeah, Joe, listen. And I let him do that because obviously, you know, God, God shorted him when it came to his height. So I feel bad for him, right? So, so we're sitting out there and I'm gonna be honest. I want part of my, part of my skit. I come out there, I said, listen, guys, you think you feel bad about your life? I said, let me just tell you something, all right? I'm driving here tonight, all right? And I used to dress up. I just had these tailor made suits, and I look pretty good. Man, I was jacked back then, everything, I'm in front of a judge. I was a pretty damn good attorney. And I was Joe Gorga's attorney, all right? I said, since then. I fucking got disbarred. And now I'm the opening act for Joe Gordon. You think your life is bad? I said, mine's bad.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

I have a question for you, Frank, that I want, before I forget you mentioned Brittany has access to your phone and access to your DMs, access to all that good stuff. Was that your idea or her idea?

[Frank Catania]

Dude, can I tell you something? It was my idea. Because when we go out and do it, I'm always getting, you know, people coming up. And that's one good thing about the housewives. My buddy, my buddy who moved away, who's still one of my best friends, came to Jersey. We're walking down the boardwalk and he said to me one day, he goes, bro, first, I hate the fact that people recognize you, all right? Because he grew up with me, all right? But he goes, after you take a picture with him, they walk away and they're smiling. It's Eddie. You guys know the deal. It's, it's like a Big thing for them to meet you. All right, well, it's just as big for me. And to see that you make them happy like that. All right, so. But then you get a little bit beyond where you get women who had something to drink. If you get a group of women, you know, and they get very touchy feely in your name, it. All right, so what happened is, you know, at that point, guys, I wanted her to make sure she felt comfortable. So Brit has access to everything through my phone.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

All right?

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Frank Catania]

But she never goes, guys, as far as I know, she probably when I'm sleeping, she goes through everything. All right, but, yeah, she just walked in now. She just walked in from shopping. Was it.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

Would you say it's a form of. Was it a form of accountability for you as well? And did the show help with accountability as well? Oh, because I know, like, for me, that was a huge. Like, it helped me a ton.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

When we came out on the show, it was like, oh, shit. Like, now you. The most random person will know who you are. And is someone going to try to blackmail you for some stuff? Right?

[Frank Catania]

Always. If, in fact, you want to know something, if whoever they're blackmailing you with already knows about it.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Frank Catania]

Right.

[Eddie Judge]

Well, I. I got. I got. My wife got a private DM on social media saying, hey, I saw Eddie at the beach having lunch with a friend, and that's when the light went off. I'm like, oh, there goes my privacy. I mean, not that I have anything to hide, but I can't do anything now.

[Frank Catania]

No, it's crazy, isn't it? It's crazy. You know, and listen, it's. I don't care how cool you got cool partners, you know, it's nice. And I consider myself to have one as well, you know, but at the same time, when you got people just. I don't understand why people do it. Right.

[Eddie Judge]

I.

[Frank Catania]

Let me ask you guys a question. If you look at Instagram, everybody looks at Instagram. If you see a post and you don't like that post, all right, do you leave a nasty comment? I just keep scrolling.

[Eddie Judge]

He just said on. Yeah.

[Frank Catania]

Why do people.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

Why.

[Frank Catania]

Why do people find it necessary? And then usually it's somebody who's got no pictures, has like four followers. Yeah, okay. Exactly. Which I can't. Yeah. I hate the keyboard warrior. I hate the keyboard warriors.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah. I think it also, at this stage in this world of social media and reality tv, I think there's a kind of a conspiracy going on out there with certain cast members that are putting stupid shit stories out there. And that's what those fake accounts are for. Right? Combine that with the bots, and then they just hire a bot to keep repeating, you know, stupid posts. It's just dumb. But, I mean, I know that that's part of the. Or maybe the biggest reason Jersey was shut down because of what happened with, you know, the bloggers and the stupidity, you know, it. Of what happened over there. But on that note, let me ask you, If. If Jersey was to be asked back and Britney was asked to be a housewife, would you sign on for that or what would you do?

[Frank Catania]

Truthfully, guys, that is entirely her. Her choice.

[Eddie Judge]

That's a great answer, David.

[Frank Catania]

They asked you. What would you say? She's like, I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, like, she just said. She goes, I think I'm too nice.

[Eddie Judge]

All right?

[Frank Catania]

Which, I gotta be honest with you, so do I. All right? You know, our relationship, guys, our relationship is close to perfect as it comes. It really does. We don't ever fight. We have a big age discrepancy which nobody's ever made an issue of. I laugh more with her than I've ever laughed at any other partner ever in my life. We have more in common. Right. And less drama than anything. And we're worried. She's worried more about that if we go on a show because there's been great relationships which gone to shit when you go in a show.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Frank Catania]

So I don't have to tell you guys.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah, well, you know, my experience has been, you know, putting us in a room with four or five other people that we have never met in our life and say, do a show. And that's why I go back to the Jersey thing. Like, you guys all knew each other before, and you have some history, and you guys can actually talk about stuff and. And, you know, having that mentality of getting over it because it's just the show, you know, it's. It's easier. Yeah.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

What's the age difference between you and Brittany, by the way?

[Frank Catania]

25 years.

[Eddie Judge]

25 years.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

Okay.

[Frank Catania]

Five, bro. I just turned 61, bro. I'm 61.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

There's no way you're 61 years old.

[Frank Catania]

Yeah, bro, I'm. Believe me, bro. Unfortunately, yes.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

For you.

[Frank Catania]

Thank you, man.

[Eddie Judge]

Wow. I'm.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

I'm blown away. I had no IDEA you were 61, bro.

[Frank Catania]

If you saw me in the morning.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

Early 50s, worst case, God.

[Frank Catania]

Thank you, bro. Honestly, I knew I liked you, bro. All right? Believe me, if you saw me getting out of Bed in the morning. You say that. 61 years old.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

All right.

[Eddie Judge]

It takes a while. Yeah.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

You know, speaking of that, what was your. How'd your daughter and son take it that you married someone so young? Were they like, dad, what are you doing?

[Frank Catania]

Let's go there. My son. My son is the most non confrontational person you will ever meet. Okay? And remember, they both knew Brittany beforehand. All right? And my son was fine. All right. My daughter, I gotta be honest with you, my daughter had a little bit of an issue.

[Eddie Judge]

All right?

[Frank Catania]

My daughter had a little bit. Because, guys, you're basically five years apart.

[Eddie Judge]

Oh, man.

[Frank Catania]

Yes. And my daughter has a very, very strong personality. But now, guys, I'll be honest, the two of them are like best friends. That's cool. They joke around, they laugh. It it. You know, when I tell you guys, I knock on wood. Probably have between the X, between my beautiful wife, now between my kids, I probably have the closest thing to a perfect life. And it's good. So cool. You know, my daughter. My daughter is funny now. Now she bust our chops, right? Like people come around. Hey, I want to introduce you to my stepmom, right?

[Eddie Judge]

Brittany.

[Frank Catania]

Okay.

[Eddie Judge]

I love those dynamics, brother. I really do admire that, you know, and I could sense and see the beauty of it and, and the harmony. And I can tell why you're so happy and just having a great life. You have such good people around you, man. That's.

[Frank Catania]

It makes all the difference, guys, doesn't it, man? Listen, God can call my number tomorrow, you know, I'm not. I'm not gonna be one of those people. What it could have, should have been. I didn't, I did it. I. Good, good, bad and indifferent. You name it. So. And I live it. I live it, bro.

[Eddie Judge]

You know, I love it.

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[Edwin Arroyabe]

Frank, your energy is contagious, man. You're full of energy, full of enthusiasm, man. I. I can see why you landed such a young girl, man. I could see it.

[Frank Catania]

Well, she keeps me. Honestly, she keeps me young, all right? And the thing is, she plays these freaking tick tocks on me, all right, like, where I'll be eating, and she scares the out of me. Like, what? The next thing, you see her in a TikTok laughing, and then you get comments, oh, my God, he needs anger management. Oh, my God. He must be her. All right, they're going down. The thing she keeps me up. I gotta be honest, guys, when I tell you, we laugh all the time. All right? I can't remember the last time either one of us raised our voice. We've had an argument.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

So cool.

[Frank Catania]

It is, man.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

It is.

[Frank Catania]

And I do.

[Eddie Judge]

I know we didn't touch on this, but it just hit me. Does she have kids, or do you guys plan on having kids?

[Frank Catania]

No, she doesn't. That. That's the one Sore subject a little bit there. So. No, she's. No, we. We talked about that in depth many and many a times. You know, we have. We have our two rescue dogs. You know, basically, they can't even. They can't even sleep in the bed with us anymore because my mom snores so bad.

[Eddie Judge]

Like, I love animals, too, but I can't sleep with them.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

Right.

[Frank Catania]

Exactly.

[Eddie Judge]

Oh, bro.

[Frank Catania]

I saw you. I saw my bro. You got. You got a pity pity rescue?

[Eddie Judge]

I do. Right? He's right here.

[Frank Catania]

I got my two sitting right here, you know?

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah, he's just the biggest love bug. Oh.

[Frank Catania]

Oh, my God.

[Eddie Judge]

Love him.

[Frank Catania]

I see you're a Rams fan, bro. All right.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

Oh, big time.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

Who's your team?

[Frank Catania]

What happened to Cooper Cup? Come on, man. Why'd you get better, man?

[Eddie Judge]

I know that.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

That one hurt. He was one of our favorites. Yeah, he's one of our favorites. That one hurt.

[Frank Catania]

It was one of my favorites, so. For sure. Are you a Rams fan? I. Listen, I'm. I'm an everybody fan. Honestly, I. I like. I like rooting for teams with some good people on it, all right? And, you know, if I see something good, you know, that somebody did something nice with a fan or something like that, I'll root for them that week, you know? Yeah, I was always a Tom Brady fan. I followed him. You know, we watch his games, whether be New England down to Tampa, then when he left. Brit's a huge, huge Dallas fan. All right.

[Eddie Judge]

Oh, cool.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

All right, well, whenever you want to come down to a Rams game, you're more than. I have a ton of tickets. We have nine season tickets. Yeah, we have nine season tickets.

[Frank Catania]

Get the out of here, man.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

Best seats in the house. They're literally the best seats in the house.

[Frank Catania]

They're 50, bro.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

Yeah, no, hit us up, like, whenever you want. Any game. We'll have fun. I love your energy, man. I would love to hang.

[Frank Catania]

Do what I do, man.

[Eddie Judge]

So, last question. You guys going to Bravicon this year?

[Frank Catania]

Don't I? Listen, there's only four people from Jersey, all right, and their spouses who are going. All right. From what I understand, you know, it's. I think it's only Dolores, Melissa, Margaret and Teresa. I don't know if that's an insight into the future or not. All right? So basically, you know, I didn't expect it to be invited this year.

[Eddie Judge]

Okay?

[Frank Catania]

But, guys, I gotta be honest. I love BravoCon.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah, it was fun.

[Frank Catania]

I don't know about you guys, but I get hollered at all the time, my production out there, because when we walk out the building and, like, all the people are behind the barricades, don't you know, I. I gotta go and take a picture with. Everybody wants. Of course, they're like, oh, Frank, Frank, let's go, Frank. I was like, no, man. These people waiting here for an hour.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

Yes.

[Frank Catania]

Are you serious, bro? You guys can wait 15, 20 minutes.

[Eddie Judge]

Come on, bro.

[Frank Catania]

I love you. Oh, my God. She goes, yes. She was. You just. I said, yes, I do. I do, man. I love it. I. You know, first of all, this. This could. This could all be gone tomorrow. You all know that.

[Eddie Judge]

All right? Yes.

[Frank Catania]

But at the same time, while it's here, dude, it means so much to these people.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah, and that's exactly why we do it, you know? It's not because it makes us feel. It fills our ego or anything like that. It fills our feeling to help other people feel happy if it makes them feel happy and they just want a simple picture. It's not hard. It's not that hard.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

Not that hard.

[Frank Catania]

It takes more energy. It takes more energy to be mean.

[Eddie Judge]

Yes. Okay, I agree.

[Frank Catania]

I don't. I'm so. There was a. There was a beef between Ramona from New York and Dolores at one point. Okay, all right, I get that. I said, well, I watch what happens live, okay? And Ramona, they did some kind of dating game. So Ramona didn't know who the three guys were. And I was One of them. All right, so she didn't pick me, thank God. All right.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

Yeah.

[Frank Catania]

But anyway, afterwards, you know, you know, I basically, we're all leaving, and Ramona is not taking pictures with anybody. I didn't know that. I told him, I'm looking to take a picture. All right? Next thing you know, she, like, hemmed in horde. All right? So after that, somebody must have said something to her. Well, that's Frank, you know, that's Dolores's ex husband. So then she goes, you know, hey, no, no. Oh, come on back. We take a picture, right? So now I'm going back to. I'm going back to take a picture. And in the background, you hear Dolores, get the away from her. Don't you dare take a picture. All right? I was like, oh, sorry, sorry. Oh, but that. That's the point. I'm being Is, man. I don't care who it is, guys. Yeah. I've always been taught the same as you treat the janitor. All right?

[Eddie Judge]

Absolutely.

[Frank Catania]

When you go back down that ladder, and I've gone down that ladder many a times, same people you saw going up.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah, I agree 100% for sure.

[Frank Catania]

Listen, guys, I do. Across my back, I got tattooed, and I'm not even kidding. I used to be a big Nickelback fan. All right. Every day. Every day is a gift, not a given, right? And I. That's not a cliche. I live by that. Wake up in the morning, I said, I'm grumpy, man. There's. Sometimes I'm grumpy, and Brit just pulls me out of it. He really does. When you said, I enjoy life, I'm.

[Eddie Judge]

Just glad you didn't see. You had a picture of his face tattooed to your back.

[Frank Catania]

Hold on, hold on, brother. It's gotta be now. That goes to a story again. We're go. We're going to the NBC building in. In New York. All right? So we had some kind of event. I forgot what it was. In fact, Britt was with me. And so now when you go there, you got to go to security first and they give you a tag. All right? While I'm standing there, I look next to me. Oh, my God, that's Chad. All right, the lead singer from. From. Now I look at him now, dude, everybody's coming over by me and taking pictures with me. So I see him looking, saying, oh, who's this guy?

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah, right?

[Frank Catania]

But now I'm. I'm seeing him, and I'm like, starstruck. I'm like, yeah, I'm like, stuttering. I'M like, hey, hey, how you doing, man? I'm a huge fan, bro. I said, I even got you on my back. I said, no, no, no, I'm sorry. I got one of your verses on my back. One of your songs. He's like, oh, okay. Thanks. So, yes, he thought I did have a picture of him on my back.

[Eddie Judge]

That's too funny. That's hilarious. Oh, man.

[Frank Catania]

For sure.

[Eddie Judge]

Anyways, you know, it's been great, Frank. I know we can go on for hours and hours, but that's one of.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

My favorite interviews, man.

[Frank Catania]

Yeah, I love to hear.

[Eddie Judge]

It's been a lot of fun. I'm very. Finally connected, and hopefully we get to see each other soon.

[Frank Catania]

Guys, I would love to. I would love to, you know, for sure. Eddie, you still doing. I would say you're still doing your motocross.

[Eddie Judge]

I am, I am. You know, I. I'm still doing the Harley thing, too. I. I got a. I had an idea that I wanted to pass by you because that's why I asked you about BravoCon. But we'll talk offline. It's. Let me know. It's a Harley Davidson deal that I really. I got to put together if you guys are interested in doing it, but absolutely.

[Frank Catania]

And I can tell you something. Some of the best time Brittany and I spend, you know, I got. I have a full dresser now, and she loves just sitting on the back, relaxing.

[Eddie Judge]

Awesome.

[Frank Catania]

We go out for a ride. It's some of the best quality time that we spend.

[Eddie Judge]

Do you ever ride with Joe?

[Frank Catania]

With Joe Beningo? Yes.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Frank Catania]

Yes. In fact, Brittany and I went with Margaret and Joe, and it was a beautiful Sunday here. We went up into upstate New York, stopped for a bite to eat and everything else there. Yes, absolutely. Now, I mean, I'm close with pretty much everybody on the show except for maybe one person. All right. But other than that, you know Joe and Joe. Joe Gorga, I'm very good friends with. He lives right down the block from me up north. He lives right down the block from me down at the Jersey shore, and. But Joe Bonango were close. Me and Joe were also very close, and he loves to ride.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah, no, I love Joe Benningo, and they're great people. Anybody else ride over there? Do you know on the show?

[Frank Catania]

I know. Listen, I know. I know the doc does it. All right? I know Dr. Aiden. All right. Jennifer's husband doesn't. All right, I'm trying to think. No, Nate, who's Danielle's husband. I know. He doesn't either.

[Eddie Judge]

And Joe. Joe Gorga doesn't either, right?

[Frank Catania]

Stop, bro. Come on. He can't reach the ground. He can't reach the ground.

[Eddie Judge]

Get him a little bike.

[Frank Catania]

I get him like one of those 80. 80cc Hondas.

[Eddie Judge]

Well, right. They got. They have trikes, too, you know, you don't have to put your feet down on.

[Frank Catania]

Listen, the thing with Joe Gord is this, all right? If you want Joe Gorgon to do anything, all right, you don't call Joe. Yeah. You might as well just call Melissa directly.

[Eddie Judge]

Yes, yes.

[Frank Catania]

He's not allowed to do anything unless he says okay. All right? And we all know that.

[Eddie Judge]

We all know that's funny.

[Frank Catania]

But the best is because. Because Joe. Joe always thinks he's like, yeah, he's the man. He's Tarzan, you know? Yeah. Tarzan, you know, leaving allowed out of the house without saying, okay.

[Eddie Judge]

Let him think he does.

[Frank Catania]

You know it. You know it, bro. For sure.

[Eddie Judge]

I love it.

[Frank Catania]

Hey, guys. I had a great time, man. I had a great time.

[Eddie Judge]

Thank you so much, Frank, and definitely hoping to see you soon.

[Frank Catania]

Hey, guys, it's been a pleasure, man.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

Likewise.

[Eddie Judge]

Likewise, brother. You take care of yourself, Frank. Peace out. That was fun.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

That was a lot of fun. A lot of fun.

[Eddie Judge]

Oh, man. Great interview. He is so much fun.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

Oh, my goodness. He was great. I think he might be my favorite interview of all time.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's. He has so much energy, and that's, I think, part of the reason why. I don't think he's 60 or 61, however old he's. He can't be in his 60s. He's. He's awesome. But, you know, he does work out, so that has a lot helps.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

100, so. Puts you in a good mood, man.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

Yeah.

[Eddie Judge]

So let me ask you this, you know, because while we're having this conversation, I can't. I couldn't help but think about what you're going through, obviously, in your divorce and how. What you can take away, if anything, from the. The dynamics and, you know, of what we just learned about him. Do you think you can do, like, things like they did?

[Edwin Arroyabe]

Well, it's very interesting because as he was saying it, I'm like, this is a lot like Teddy and I right now. We're just, you know, we're great friends.

[Eddie Judge]

And, yeah.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

You know, I want to make sure she's. She's taken care of and, you know, but it's.

[Eddie Judge]

We.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

We've maintained that great relationship, so even though we're separated and we're strange and, you know, we're you know, still planning on divorcing. Like, we're still, like, friends.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

You know, and I still see her as a friend. Like, this is probably the best we got along that we've gone along in a while. I mean, we always got along, but we're, like, really getting along really well.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah. Yeah. I'm really hoping that that is true for you guys, that you guys can just maintain that friendship and able to amically, you know, go your separate ways, but still maintain that relationship for the sake of the kids.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

And what's interesting, I think he mentioned something about, like, the kids not even knowing when they were separated and. Yeah, I kind of feel like, you know, that we're, you know, we. We when we stay at the house. Even before she got sick.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

It was just like the kids never left, and they're not really seeing anything different. Like, we're not fighting. It's great energy in the house. So, you know, it was very. It's. It's interesting you asked that question, because as he was talking, I'm like, wow, this is a lot like, what I'm going through.

[Eddie Judge]

So can you see yourself ever having, like, Christmas dinner with your girlfriend or wife and then her boyfriend and. Yeah. Yeah.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

I mean, we've so, you know, I have a daughter. My oldest daughter.

[Eddie Judge]

Right. Yeah.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

And we've hung out with her mom.

[Eddie Judge]

Oh, yeah.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

Her stepdad, who's a great, great man. I mean, I couldn't have picked a better stepdad.

[Eddie Judge]

And.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

Yeah. I mean, we've. We've hung out for Mother's Day, so I'm all about that.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah. You know, there's a lot about.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

Yeah, I'm all about leading with love and all that, so. Yeah, I can totally see that. Vacations together.

[Eddie Judge]

Can't wrap my head around it, but it sounds so ideal.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

Like, I could totally do that right now, you know, if. Obviously, you have to respect your significant other. Right. And sometimes, you know, that's not something that you do right away.

[Eddie Judge]

No.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

You know, with. With Bella's mom, I mean, I think that took 13 years to happen.

[Eddie Judge]

Okay.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

Yeah, that. That took a while. That wasn't just like.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

You know, but that took 13 years. But then it happened.

[Eddie Judge]

But you were younger, too. It's a lot.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

Yeah, we were younger. Yeah, it was younger and all that, but, I mean, I could have done it at, you know, year two, you know, Like, I've just always been very cool that way.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

But again, you have to.

[Eddie Judge]

You.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

You have to respect your significant other and just. You can't Push it. It's just got to be when the time is right, it's right.

[Eddie Judge]

And.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

But yeah, I mean, ideally, it's great for the children and.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

You know, and I think when you really. That's why I asked that question about when did you really become friends?

[Eddie Judge]

Right.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

Because I think that's when you can do it.

[Eddie Judge]

That makes sense.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

I think when one person still has feelings for the other, you can't.

[Eddie Judge]

Or resentment.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

Or resentment. Exactly. It's. You got to get over the resentment, and you got to get over the. Like, you have to really now be on the friend zone.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

And then you could easily do it because you just don't look at each other that way anymore. You literally look at each other like friends.

[Eddie Judge]

You know, how long that's gonna take, you know?

[Edwin Arroyabe]

Yeah, I mean, it depends, right.

[Eddie Judge]

That.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

That, you know, it can be pretty short.

[Eddie Judge]

You know, I mean, you've heard of relationships where they. They break up, they get divorced and they have sex, they get remarried, and then they get Break up again and they get divorced, they have sex, and they get married again.

[Frank Catania]

It's.

[Eddie Judge]

But yeah. No, my point is, is that for me, when I have those, you know, passionate feelings within with the woman, I don't know if I could turn them off, you know, ever.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

Me, like, well, if you break up.

[Eddie Judge]

Like, for me, my. My motto has always been, you know, once we're broken up, we're broken up because obviously there were some attraction and.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

You don't see each other anymore.

[Eddie Judge]

Got it. You don't see each other anymore. Even with one of my relationships, I was younger. It was. It was. I was very much in love, and it broke my heart and everything. And it was a very mature conversation that I had with her. And it was, you know, I love you, and I know that, you know, this is not going to be a forever relationship, and. And. And I have to respect that we're going our separate ways. And it was one of the hardest things I've ever done, but taught me, like, yeah, I. I can't have just a friendly relationship with the woman I love the. This much. Right. I don't know if that could happen with Tamra. Although, you know, I guess when you. When you've been with somebody, and this is my experience so far, it's not that the passion is not there or the desire is not there, but we've been together, gosh, 15 years now, and it's. It's more of a. I can see myself with this woman for the rest of my life. I can do Anything with her. And we're friends. We're like. Like partners, were everything together. So if maybe 20 years from now that was to change, maybe that would be a different perspective, you know, because I have that friendship, I have that connection, and, you know, I could probably see it happening, but young, when I was younger, like, done. I don't want to see you again. Yeah.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

I think the key point is when. That if one person still loves the other, it's really hard. But I think when the love is over that, you know, the passion and all that stuff, I think that is when you can probably do it and.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

And especially if you have a. Like, I've always had a very short memory. Like, no, I've never held remorse. Like, there's not one person right now that I could say I'm pissed off at.

[Eddie Judge]

Right.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

I think that's been a little bit of a gift of mine, because that's not easy.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

For me, it's always been not saying I never get mad. Like, I've been mad for two, three months.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

Then once. Once I'm over it, I'm over it.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

And I don't. I don't hold any grudges.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

And it's just easy for me to just forget and then move forward. And I think that's what I. I mean, I'm still friends with girls I used to date.

[Eddie Judge]

Oh, you are? Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

Like, I'm friends. I'm still friends. In fact, you know, when I, I. When all that stuff happened, I. You know, some of them started texting me back just. Just to check up on me. Not trying to connect in a. In a. Let's get back together, but just, you know, hey, how you doing? Hope you're doing well. And it's funny, I was having a conversation with. With a good friend of mine actually today, and he was just saying how, you know, I've always had good relationship. I've always ended things well, you know, and how he never ended things well. So he was like, man, you. People always reach out to you because you've always ended things well, whereas I always ended badly. And, you know, like, I. I have no friends that I used to date, you know?

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah. I mean, that's sort of me. I don't. I don't. I'm not friends with anybody any of my day. Any of my exes. Yeah. Two reasons, you know. First is the reason I just explained, like, when you've had sexual relationships or attractions to. To that other person, it's hard to turn those off. Unless, you know, there's something, you know, major that caused the breakup, like infidelity or something. But there's. There's always going to be those. That attraction. I think the other is out of respect for my current relationship, so that she doesn't feel like there's something there. Right. And that's why I couldn't understand the dynamics with. With Paulie and Frank and the whole relationship with the families and how they don't have those insecurities, if you will. But after he explained it to us, the way he explained it to us, you know, he respects her so much that even though she said, I'm sorry, you know, I forgive you, and I'm willing to go past this, he had so much respect for her that he elevated her to a point where it's more than just a sexual attraction with this person. It's. It's correct. It's a admiration. It's like, I don't want to hurt this person. And I could see that. I could totally see having a relationship with a woman like that. Like, you know what? It's not you, it's me, and I. I respect you so much. I don't want to put you through this ever again. So I. It made sense.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

But I think that the key thing that he said as well is that he brought Dolores's husband around when they were around, and then that made everything, you know, work, because he got to see it for himself that there wasn't any, you know, things going on behind the scenes, because, you know, you could very easily think differently if you're not really there.

[Eddie Judge]

Right.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

But once you bring them on and they get to see each other, you're like, okay, there's.

[Frank Catania]

There's.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

There's definitely nothing happening. This is a legitimate, just friendship.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

Because it can very easily be interpreted. The interpretation of that could be easily different.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

So, again, I think it takes two. You. You know, and. And that's why it's so hard to do. That's why you don't have too many people. That's why you don't have too many people pull that off.

[Eddie Judge]

Right.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

Because both people have to feel the same way. And usually that's not the case, because one typically has a grudge.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah. But I also think it's a maturity thing.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

Yeah.

[Eddie Judge]

You know, 100. I. I think the older you get, the more you realize that that's 100.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

100.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah. I mean, I. I followed this account on Instagram that does all these funny videos, and they did one recently where the guy and the girl are just walking down the street holding hands, and they run into the girl's ex boyfriend and she totally gets excited, jumps on his lap, and the guy that's holding her hand, the current boyfriend's looking over there, imagining all these things. And he, the ex picks her up, you know, kisses her and makes her, you know, this princess, he's just looking at her, starts crying. And the next scene is, oh, let me introduce you to my ex boyfriend. It's hilarious. But that's, you know, how young men's minds work. Like, what the. Yeah. Anyways, it was great catching up, brother.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

Yeah, likewise.

[Eddie Judge]

I'm so happy to see you and hear from you. How are things going with you?

[Edwin Arroyabe]

Going well. I mean, yeah, Teddy's obviously doing better, so she's improving. So that's good news there. The kids are great. You know, I'm working a ton and I just came back from Europe. That was a great trip.

[Eddie Judge]

Oh, you took a break?

[Edwin Arroyabe]

Yeah, I went to Central pay for work. Unfortunately only for a day. But then I went to Capri for about six days and it was sort of a last minute trip that I went on. And it was the first time in 16 years being by myself.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

So I found myself Fourth of July, just doing nothing. And my kids were out of town.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

A lot of my friends were out of town. And it was the first time on the 4th of July I did not have plans. Like, you know, normally there's someone having a cool party, whatever, or I was always with the kids for a lot of, for a lot of years. And a buddy of mine who was in San Trope just called me and said, hey, I got this yacht. It was a 300 foot yacht, $50 million yacht, which I've never been on before. And he's just like, hey, let's grab a flight. I got everything covered. And you know, we're only going to be here for one more day in San Trope, but come down and then we'll go to Capri. And it was so spontaneous. And I'd never done something like that got in in a long, long time where I literally, literally bought the trip on 4th of July. I mean, the ticket to go to Central pay got there on the 5th and, and then I was there for, for a week.

[Eddie Judge]

That's fantastic.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

Fun, fun time. Yeah, it was a good time.

[Eddie Judge]

Those are the best, the spontaneous ones. You just. Yeah, let's go.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

Yep. So how good there?

[Eddie Judge]

Good for you, brother. Yeah, for you, man. That's awesome. Yeah. All right, all right. My man was back to our show. Looking forward to our next one and we'll see you soon.

[Edwin Arroyabe]

Well, see you soon, Ed.

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Janice Torres here and I'M Austin Hankwitz.

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We host the podcast Mind the Business, Small Business and Success Stories, produced by Ruby Studio in partnership with Intuit QuickBooks.

[Frank Catania]

We're back for season four to talk to some incredible small business owners.

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Everyone's a rookie. That's how fast the industry is changing.

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