The Eds: unEDited with John Barlow

Summary

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Two Ts In A Pod: "The Eds: unEDited with John Barlow"

Release date: December 23, 2025
Hosts: Eddie Judge, Edwin Ariave (guest-hosting for Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge)
Guest: John Barlow (husband of Lisa Barlow, The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City)

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Episode Overview

This episode features a candid, wide-ranging conversation with John Barlow about his life, business career, and experiences as the husband of a Real Housewife. Hosts Eddie Judge and Edwin Ariave dig deep into John’s upbringing, his Mormon roots, entrepreneurship, behind-the-scenes perspectives on reality TV, handling drama and rumors, and the ongoing journey of being married to a Housewife. The tone is open, thoughtful, and frequently light-hearted, offering listeners unique perspective from the quieter side of Bravo fame.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

John’s Background: Adoption, Childhood, and Family

• Adoption Story
  • John shares his unique adoption journey, having been given up as a baby, adopted, returned due to medical issues, and then adopted again by his current parents through LDS Church services.
  • Quote: "I was adopted as a baby and... adopted, but then returned and then adopted by my parents. Wow. That's how my life started." — John Barlow [04:04]
• Family Moves
  • Grew up in various places due to his father's IBM career—Northern California, Illinois, Florida, and Texas.
  • Graduated from the same high school as Post Malone.
• Religious Upbringing
  • Raised Mormon (LDS), did a mission in Las Vegas.
  • Quote: "It was very eye-opening to me... growing up a lot of guys... wanted to go on missions there... foreign missions. I opened my vision call Las Vegas, like, do I really want to go?" — John Barlow [06:27]

Reconnecting with Biological Family

• Discusses how his wife Lisa encouraged him to use Ancestry.com, leading to discovering and connecting with his birth mother and half-brother.
• Quote: "Lisa was on Ancestry, just checking away... First cousin. That means something. She's on Facebook... She reached out to this one guy and she's like, hey, I think my husband is your half brother." — John Barlow [14:19]
• Birth mother now sends gifts for the Barlow children, and the family has formed a positive connection.

College, Early Career, & How John Met Lisa

• Attended BYU (Brigham Young University).
• First career steps included a tough job in Chicago before returning to Utah, where he met Lisa.
• Met Lisa through her older sister, and only became a couple after several casual group hangouts.
• Quote: "She was just such a cool, cool girl from the get go, you know... What you guys see on the show as far as Lisa? That's really her." — John Barlow [19:24]
• Dated for two years before marriage, and, owing to LDS values, waited to be intimate.

Family Businesses: Entrepreneurship & Navigating “Bread and Butter”

• John and Lisa run multiple businesses:
  • Vita Tequila—their mainstay and “bread and butter” [30:00–31:00]
  • Blue Jay Hard Seltzer
  • Fresh Wolf men’s grooming (launched with their sons)
  • Lisa’s experiential marketing company, "Luxury"
• John shared the business history and Lisa’s creative direction—especially branding and bottle design.
• Quote: “Lisa’s the one that named it... she literally sat up at three in the morning one night. She’s like, it’s got to be Vita, because Vita means life, and nobody can take life.” — John Barlow [27:40]
• On being an entrepreneur: “It's a roller coaster... there's days where you're just like, why the hell am I doing this?” — John Barlow [29:08]
• Both emphasize the importance of one reliable business to support side ventures.

Faith, Community, and Controversy

• Discussed initial backlash from the LDS community when launching a tequila brand, describing that some church members were uncomfortable at first but ultimately became supportive (sometimes secretly purchasing tequila for “friends”).
• Quote: “When we first started... people in our congregation... would be like, you do what? ...they think we're horrible people... A couple of weeks later would come knocking on our door, ‘I've got a friend coming in town who loves tequila...’” — John Barlow [25:34]

Behind the Scenes of Housewives Fame

• How the Show Came to Salt Lake City
  • Lisa was central to bringing Real Housewives to Utah, helping recruit other cast members.
  • Quote: “Lisa’s the one that brought the show here... She had actually filmed a couple pilots even prior to this one.” — John Barlow [34:55]
• Initial Reactions & Navigating TV Fame
  • John didn't know much about Housewives beforehand—his main motivation was supporting Lisa and gaining business exposure.
  • Quote: “Wanted to support Lisa... but really, the reason why we really wanted to do it was for Vita, for the marketing.” — John Barlow [37:44]
• Dealing with On-Screen Drama & Attacks
  • John and Lisa have faced cast attacks on their businesses, often about legal disputes in their business past:
    • “They’re just bringing up stuff from the past... we've had lawsuits in the past... they're trying to make it more salacious than it was.” — John Barlow [39:24]
• Friendships Among Housewives and Husbands
  • John was only close with Seth Marks before the show; now, the husbands have a code not to speak badly about each other's wives.
  • Recounted difficult moments after Lisa’s “hot mic” incident but says relationships have since healed. [43:05-44:41]

Marriage and Relationship Insights

• The reality show hasn't fundamentally changed John and Lisa's marriage—both are strong personalities ("both alpha"), and they maintain a supportive partnership.
• Quote: “We’re pretty much the same as we were before. We’re both alpha... Even though, you know, with the show it’s the housewives... we both want to be in charge.” — John Barlow [41:10]
• Describes Housewives as an unusual way to document family history for posterity: “Not everybody can go on demand from five years ago and say, oh my gosh, my son was eight years old and now he’s 14 and see how that goes or watch Lisa and I interact.” [41:52]
• John's advice to support their wives under attack: Listen more, don’t always try to give advice or fix things. “[This] year, I’ve been like, no, I think you should try and say this... and she’s like, ‘it doesn’t work that way’... so every time, just listen.” — John Barlow [53:07]
• Eddie echoes: “If you have any cracks in your relationship, it’s going to show... the typical statistics—more divorced housewives than not.” [42:23]

Perspectives on Performing for Cameras

• Both John and Eddie admit to feeling pressure with cameras but try to remain authentic and uninvolved in drama.
• Quote: “More pressure to not do something, you know, like, not do the stupid things... I try to be me, whether the cameras are rolling or not.” — John Barlow [45:34]
• Discusses strategy at reunions: “I make sure I do not speak unless spoken to—and that’s by Andy [Cohen]. If Andy asks, happy to answer, if anybody else does, I don’t know...” [50:04]
• Touches on pay for husbands appearing on the show: “We're there to support. It's free labor, and I'm not good with that.” — Eddie Judge [48:43]

Making Reality TV a Business (and Not Taking It Personally)

• Both Eddie and John emphasize approaching the show as a job, not taking it personally, focusing on supporting their wives, and recognizing the elite nature of the Housewives franchise.
• Quote: “Your group [housewives] is even more elite than the NBA. There’s 10 franchises, five to six ladies per franchise—you are special.” — John Barlow [56:33]
• On editing and public perception: “If your final opinion of me is that I am boring, I’m okay with that.” — Eddie Judge [58:36]
• John adds: “If you want to portray me as a doormat... I’m supporting my wife.” [58:37]

Life Off-Camera & Family Balance

• Barlows enjoy travel (especially to Europe), spending family time, quick drives for sodas, and simple pleasures.
• Lisa finds peace in riding horses and grounding (bare feet on grass, talking to trees).
• F1 racing is a new passion for John, who binged the “Drive to Survive” Netflix series.
• Quote: “We love being around our kids... we know it’s a short time before they’re going to be out of the house.” — John Barlow [63:13]

Considering Quitting & The Challenge of Reality TV

• Every season has moments of doubt for both John and Lisa, but both believe in seeing things through and supporting one another.
• Quote: “Lisa would never outright quit... but there are days that we’re just like, this...” — John Barlow [67:51]
• Edwin: “If you’re not wanting to quit, you’re not doing anything big.” [68:17]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "I have an affinity for adoption, for foster care, that sort of thing..." — John Barlow [04:43]
• "What you see on the show as far as Lisa? That's really her, you know, she's fiery, opinionated, brilliant, you know, and obviously beautiful." — John Barlow [19:24]
• "Lisa’s the one that brought the show here." — John Barlow [34:55]
• "I think flipping burgers might actually be better for my mind than anything else." — John Barlow on entrepreneurship [29:12]
• "With the husbands, they're pretty good... If there's any shots fired at the husbands, it's usually because the husbands insert themselves." — John Barlow on reunions [49:49]
• “If you have any cracks in your relationship, it's going to show." — Eddie Judge [42:23]
• "You are special. There's, you know... five to six ladies per franchise. You are special." — John Barlow encouraging Lisa [56:33]
• "[Reality TV] is a unique way of documenting your life." — John Barlow [41:51]

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Timeline Highlights (Timestamps for Key Segments)

• Intro & John’s Adoption Story........................... [02:14–06:06]
• Mission & Mormon Upbringing......................... [06:20–08:07]
• Biological Family Rediscovery........................... [13:06–15:39]
• Meeting Lisa / Courtship / Relationship...........[16:01–21:56]
• Entrepreneurship Journey................................. [22:11–31:00]
• LDS Tequila Controversy.................................... [25:23–26:38]
• Vita Tequila Origin & Branding.......................... [27:05–28:20]
• How Housewives Came to Salt Lake................[34:48–36:38]
• Reality TV Business Motivations.......................[37:19–38:23]
• Handling Attacks on Business On-Air...............[39:16–40:04]
• Marriage, Relationship, Family Reflection..........[41:10–42:23]
• Husband Code & Hot Mic Fallout......................[43:05–44:41]
• Camera Pressure & Performing..........................[45:05–46:08]
• On Reunions, Drama & Gender Roles.................[47:19–50:04]
• Advice for Supporting a Housewife....................[53:07–54:03]
• Mindset: Treating TV as Business......................[56:59–58:39]
• Family Life, Off-Camera Dynamics......................[62:25–66:00]
• Quitting, Challenges, and Resilience...................[66:09–68:27]

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Summary Takeaway

This “unEDited” interview offers insight into the real personalities and stresses behind Bravo’s reality machine—John Barlow comes across as authentic, grounded, and deeply supportive of his wife and family. His stories, candid advice, and willingness to examine the highs and lows (both in marriage and business) make this a must-listen for anyone curious about the “Housewives” world from the less flashy but essential side.

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Transcript

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[Eddie Judge]

Welcome to the Ed's podcast. My name is Eddie Judge and I got my co host here, Edwin Ariave. And today we have a special guest, John Barlow. If you don't know John, John is the husband of the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, Lisa Barlow. They've been married since 2003 and have two kids, two boys, Jack and Henry. Lisa and John have been on the Housewives for the entirety of its existence. I think it's been six years. John is an entrepreneur with multiple businesses, including his and his wife's tequila brand, Vita Tequila. I think we're going to get to talk about a little bit more about that. So. John Barlow, welcome to the Eds.

[John Barlow]

Oh, thanks for having me, guys. It's an honor.

[Edwin Ariave]

Which, by the way, I've had that tequila and I just want to endorse it very, very good tequila. John was nice enough to send me a bottle and enjoyed every drink of that, so thank you so much.

[John Barlow]

Oh, no, I'm glad that you told me that it arrived because I was racking my brain since we had the schedule. I'm like, I hope I did send him that bottle.

[Edwin Ariave]

Yeah, no, it was. It was really good. Thank you.

[Eddie Judge]

I was supposed to confirm that we got it too. I think we did, but my wife didn't know if we had it at the Big Bear house or here. But.

[Edwin Ariave]

And it's. It's a nice looking bottle, too. It's. It's a sexy bottle.

[John Barlow]

I can. When we get into this, I'll give you a backstory to the bottle and everything. There's actually a story to pretty much all of it.

[Eddie Judge]

Well, if it doesn't have a story, then nobody wants to know about it. Right?

[John Barlow]

Yeah. Yeah, True. It's all branding nowadays. It is, it is.

[Eddie Judge]

So, John, you've been on the Housewives for six years. Let's go a little bit backwards before the Housewife and learn a little bit about you. Tell us, where'd you grow up and how did you end up where you're at today?

[John Barlow]

So I have a little bit different of a story, I guess, than some people. Not everybody, but some people. I was adopted as a baby and. Or I was given up as a baby, adopted, but then returned and then adopted by my parents. Wow. That's how my life started. And whenever Lisa and I have any type of discussions, you know, maybe arguments, whatever, she's always like, I'm gonna give you up for the third time. That's low, man. That is low. But, yeah, no, my. So my parents adopted me when I was a baby. I was in foster care for about, I think, like, three or four months.

[Eddie Judge]

Oh, wow.

[John Barlow]

Again, as a baby.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[John Barlow]

So I have a. I have an affinity for adoption, for foster care, that sort of thing, but we grew up all over. My. My dad was an executive at IBM. And so let's see, we lived in four different places in Northern California before I was 10. And in between there, we actually moved to Peoria, Illinois, for about nine months, and then back to California, and then from California, moved to Southern Florida, Boca Raton, and then the middle of my sophomore year in High school, we moved to the Dallas Fort Worth area in Texas and, and I guess I, I don't know if Post Malone claims anything that. But I graduated from the high school that Post Malone graduated from, Grapevine High.

[Eddie Judge]

That's cool.

[John Barlow]

And so, and I lived in Colleyville and then, but yeah, so grew up all over. I'm a beach bum at heart. Even though living in a landlocked state.

[Eddie Judge]

Is that your, your your go to sport or hobby surfing or beach?

[John Barlow]

Just. So volleyball. Oh, volleyball. My go to. Yeah, I, I was never, I never lived in California long enough to learn how to surf. And then Florida, you know, on the east side there's no waves unless you're hurricane season.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah. And you don't want to ride those.

[John Barlow]

No. And I, I actually started playing volleyball in high school and played semi pro two man volleyball, so.

[Eddie Judge]

Wow.

[John Barlow]

Huge, huge fan of the beach, sand everything.

[Eddie Judge]

How tall are you?

[John Barlow]

I'm six four.

[Eddie Judge]

Oh, there you go.

[John Barlow]

If I've got the right shoes on. Six, five.

[Edwin Ariave]

So did you grow up Mormon?

[John Barlow]

I did, yes. Yes. Grew up lds. I actually served a mission in Las Vegas of all places.

[Eddie Judge]

Wow.

[John Barlow]

It was, it was, that was very eye openening to me because growing up a lot of guys that are in the church that want to go on missions there. Everybody talks about the foreign speaking missions or the foreign missions. And I took Spanish from middle school through high school, French my first three semesters at byu. My best friend was going to South Africa, another friend was going to Iceland, another one going to Russia. I opened my vision call Las Vegas, like, do I really want to go?

[Eddie Judge]

So what was the mission in Vegas?

[John Barlow]

So it's, it's so the, the LDS missions are the same. No matter where you go, you're, you know, going out telling people about the LDS church.

[Eddie Judge]

Okay.

[John Barlow]

Really serving the communities that you're living in, you know, helping people wherever, wherever you can. And so at the time, you know, we're going back 30 years, it was the entire state of Nevada, plus a little piece of Arizona and California. Wow. And now there's I think four or five missions just in the state of Nevada.

[Eddie Judge]

Wow.

[Edwin Ariave]

Did you, were you trying to convert people on the Strip?

[John Barlow]

That was a place we were not allowed to go. And, and so no, but there, there were a lot of urban missionary stories of guys, you know, we would go what's called tracting, knocking on doors. And there was, there were a lot of urban stories of missionaries knocking on doors and strippers opening the door with robes completely open, like they had just gone back from work or something. It never happened to me, so I can't say if it was. Yeah, exactly. I can't say if it's true or not, but.

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[Edwin Ariave]

So do you go on your mission and then go to byu? Is that how that works? So you first take two years. So you go from high school to then do your mission for two years and then go to college after that.

[John Barlow]

You could have. So nowadays you. They have missionaries go. Typically when they're 18. So essentially, yeah, right out of high school. Like our son Jack, he just got back from serving a mission in Bogota, Colombia, and he. He went right out of high school. And. But for. Back when I went, it was. The guys were 19 when they would go, okay. And I was a young kid, so I. I was 17 when I graduated high school and was able to get squeezed three semesters in at BYU before going on my mission.

[Eddie Judge]

So I forgot to ask John, do you have any siblings?

[John Barlow]

I have, yes. So there's. There's four of us, four kids in my family. The oldest three, my older sister, myself and my brother are all adopted. And then my younger sister is biologically my parents. And so there's. It's almost like two sets because my older sister is two years older than me. Then there's seven years between me and my brother, and then my sister's the youngest.

[Eddie Judge]

So your older sister came first and then you came, and then they decided to give you up and then take you back?

[John Barlow]

Oh, no, no. They probably did want to give me up quite a few times as I was growing.

[Eddie Judge]

I wouldn't.

[John Barlow]

I wouldn't doubt that. No, no, it was. It was just when I was a baby, so I was, you know, my birth mother had to give me up, so. Okay. So then I was adopted by a family, but I had some medical conditions that they didn't feel that they could handle, so they returned me. And that's. And so I was in foster care la. I said only for a short period, but my. And that's when my parents, they actually adopted me through LDS Church services. Okay, so they were. So they adopted me when I was a baby.

[Eddie Judge]

So you. You weren't taken back by the original parents. You were adopted by a new set of parents?

[John Barlow]

Yeah.

[Eddie Judge]

Good for you. Wow. Okay, excellent.

[Edwin Ariave]

It sounds like you landed with a great family, too.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah, I did.

[John Barlow]

I. I love them. I mean, it's great. You know, just like every family has weird dynamics.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[John Barlow]

You know, I'm very fortunate with. With who I. Who I have, who my parents are.

[Eddie Judge]

That's awesome.

[Edwin Ariave]

Did you ever meet your biological parents?

[John Barlow]

There's a story behind that. So I. Growing Up. My parents were always very open and in a positive way about us being adopted. And, you know, it's essentially saying you were really wanted type.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[John Barlow]

And. And so from the time I was. I could remember, I knew I was adopted, and I never had that burning desire to find out who my biological parents were or anything. I. I actually, I knew I was born in Pasadena, California, so I just assumed my parents were from California or birth parents were from California. My going, I'm born. My birthday is actually next week, so it's in November. So if you go back nine months, I figured I was a Valentine's baby. I thought two. Two kids were just hooking up on Valentine's, and I was a byproduct.

[Eddie Judge]

Do you know anything about them?

[John Barlow]

Oh, so Lisa was very interested.

[Eddie Judge]

Of course.

[John Barlow]

Yes. I. I had never, like I said, I'd never had a desire, really. And my parents weren't parents. And so six or seven years. Actually, no, seven or eight years ago now with ancestry.com, you know, this is like, hey, spit in this. Spit in this tube. And I'm like, I know what you're doing. And I was interested in more heritage type stuff because I don't, you know. Don't know.

[Edwin Ariave]

Yeah.

[John Barlow]

And as soon as the results came back, Lisa was on Ancestry, just checking away. First cousin. That means something. She's on Facebook. Oh, my gosh. Reaching out. And she reached out to this one guy, and she's like, hey, I think my husband is your half brother.

[Eddie Judge]

Wow.

[John Barlow]

What kind of announcement is that?

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[John Barlow]

And so he's like, I think you're mistaken. I don't think that's right. And so, you know, long story short, he was. He ended up being my half brother.

[Eddie Judge]

Wow.

[John Barlow]

And he went to his mom and asked. And at first she denied it, and then a couple weeks later, because they're very lds, and. And so a couple weeks later, she admitted to him. Yes. You know, I. I did, but. And she actually wanted to marry the guy. She was only. She was 19, so it wasn't like, you know, really young.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[John Barlow]

And. But when the. The guy found out that she was pregnant, he's like, I'm out of here. Yeah. And so her parents just, you know, had her. They were in Arizona, had her move to California to have. Have me and then go back. And so. So, yeah, so she. And I actually message quite a bit. She's great, my birth mother. Like, she sends packages for the kids. And it's. It was tough at first.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[John Barlow]

For a few different reasons. But it was. But it Overall, it's been a cool experience.

[Eddie Judge]

That sounds very cool, like a great, you know, fairy tale almost story. And, and it's just going to continue to grow, which is amazing.

[Edwin Ariave]

So California guy be you obviously end up in Utah, you go to byu. Why did you decide ultimately to stay in Utah and why not come to Cali?

[John Barlow]

Well, so California was on the radar. My buddy and I actually did a trip down to San Diego area when after we had graduated and man, the cost of living down there was just so crazy. So we're like, I think we're going to stick in Utah for now. And you know, I actually, when I first graduated from byu, I moved to Chicago and worked for a company just outside of Chicago and ended up being a horrible job, just a crappy situation all the way around. And by that time my parents had moved here to Utah and so I had friends here, family here. So I'm like, I'm just going to move back. Came back here and ended up starting with a startup company and fell in love with, with what I was doing and in the process met Lisa and everything like that. And you know, for the first, you know, for the first, like five or six years after being back from my mission, I hated Utah. But you know, I've really grown to love it. I think it's an amazing place.

[Eddie Judge]

I think it's beautiful too. There's some great places. Yeah, I go there a lot. Let's get into a little bit more about how you met Lisa. Now that you mentioned it, we're really cur.

[John Barlow]

Curious so I think we've touched on it on the show, but it's, it's in another funny story. So her, her older sister Genia was a missionary in my mission. So you've got, you've got elders which are the guy missionaries and sisters which are the female missionaries. And so we were friends in the mission when we both, she got back like six months before me and was at byu. I came home, we connected and we, we never like got serious or anything, but we went out a few times over the course of a few months or something like that.

[Eddie Judge]

She and Lisa or her sister.

[John Barlow]

Her older sister? Yeah, no, her older sister. She was interested in getting more serious. But you know, I was a 21 year old, dumb, immature kid and I'm like, there's no way I want to be serious with anybody.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[John Barlow]

So we kind of went our own ways. But while we were hanging out, I initially met Lisa when she came over to the condo where I was living to watch a movie with Me with her sister and with our. With my roommate. And. And she, you know, she'll tell you the same thing. She brought over ice cream. She hated the guy that I was living with, and she's like, I'm taking my ice cream and leaving. And I vaguely remember that, but then fast forward quite a few years and ran into her other sister. She's got four sisters.

[Eddie Judge]

Oh, my God. Okay.

[John Barlow]

So I ran into her other sister, who I'd gotten to know while kind of hanging out with Gina. And her name's Denise. And Denise was like, hey, we gotta hang out. Okay, yeah, that sounds cool. So, jt, my friend that I was living with at the time, we go over, we're like, hey, we're gonna go to the baseball game with them. And that's when Denise at the last minute told Lisa, oh, John Barlow's coming over to take us to a baseball game. And Lisa hated it because she felt like I did her sister dirty. Yeah. And. And so just. We actually all just hung out as friends for a while. And then at about like, two or three months later, Lisa and I started really hanging out, dating and dated for two years and then got married.

[Eddie Judge]

Well, tell us about the spark when. When you guys decided to, like, date. How did that happen?

[John Barlow]

It was, you know, she was just. She was just such a cool, cool girl from the get go, you know, I mean, you guys. What do you guys see on the show as far as Lisa? That's really her, you know, she's fiery, opinionated, brilliant, you know, and obviously beautiful. And, you know, we were. It was kind of. I don't know if there was one specific moment, but we would go and we would go get sodas or something or go to lunch, you know, every other week. Because where I worked, where she worked at the time were like a mile apart. And so we just meet up and it was just all friends, that sort of thing. And then one weekend, everybody headed out of town except for Lisa and I, and I was like, hey, let's. Let's go see a movie. Just thinking as friends.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[John Barlow]

We got out of the car and we just started holding hands. And it was like, okay, I guess something's happening.

[Eddie Judge]

Wow.

[Edwin Ariave]

So. So I gotta ask. So you dated for two years, right?

[John Barlow]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Edwin Ariave]

So both of you guys beat lds? Did you wait two years to be intimate?

[John Barlow]

We did.

[Edwin Ariave]

Nice. Well done.

[John Barlow]

We. We. We did. I. So. And it. It should.

[Edwin Ariave]

Was that hard? Did it take it all?

[John Barlow]

Are you talking. Are you talking, like, anatomically or.

[Edwin Ariave]

Discipline?

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[Edwin Ariave]

I love the discipline in that.

[John Barlow]

Yeah, yeah. No, you know, looking back, we both are like, why did one. Why did we wait for having to have sex? And then also, why did we wait to get married? But I. A little bit more into me. I was married when I was 23, divorced at 24. And when I got back from my mission, I admit, I came back, you know, whole different mindset on life and everything and how I wanted to approach things. And one of them was I was very, very serious with goals. And one of my goals when I got back was I would not marry someone until I'd been home for two years at least. And I met the girl that I married within the first year. And then it was a year and a half when I got. After I'd been home that we got married. So when we got divorced, I told myself, I'm not. I. It was partly because I didn't stick to my goals.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[John Barlow]

And I was like, I'm not gonna marry someone unless I date them for two years. And it drove Lisa nuts because after a year, she's like, I'm ready to get married. I'm like, I. We can't. I'm like, I cannot, you know, break my goal. And so. But looking back, I. Yeah, I wish we had gotten married faster, but. But we had fun. I mean, it was great and. Yeah, it was. It was not easy. Definitely, Definitely hard in many ways.

[Eddie Judge]

Wow.

[Edwin Ariave]

Can't imagine. Now, talk to us a little bit about. Obviously, you. You. You mentioned you went to go work for a startup. When did you go from working for someone to becoming an entrepreneur?

[John Barlow]

It was so the. I'm trying to think best way to answer that. The. The startup is what kind of got me really, the juices flowing for wanting to be an entrepreneur. You know, I was their first salesperson that they brought on and essentially took them, you know, 500 million or 500,000 to about 12 million in three years. And. And they later sold and still, you know, it was probably like, was it. Lisa and I were married for about three or four years when really the opportunity with Vita came along. And it is something that we both talked about. She's very entrepreneurial minded. I'm so, so, like, I had to be. Like I said, my dad worked for IBM for 35 years, so that was kind of what I was used to. But after doing a lot of reading and everything, as I was growing up and growing with work and everything like that, you know, we decided, yeah, we want to jump in and do our own thing.

[Edwin Ariave]

So is Vita your first business? You've had other businesses besides Vita, right?

[John Barlow]

We have, yeah. We've had real estate businesses. We've had Vita. We've got hard seltzer called Blue Jay.

[Edwin Ariave]

Yeah.

[John Barlow]

Lisa has her event marketing company or experiential marketing company called Luxury. We also started a business with our boys called Fresh Wolf. It's men's grooming products. And I don't know, I. We need to get you guys some. I probably failed to send you some after, but it's, you know, it's. People think that it's for boys because we've got our sons involved, but it's men's grooming products.

[Eddie Judge]

But how old are your boys?

[John Barlow]

So Jack's 21. He just turned 21 last month. And then Henry is 13, turning 14 in December.

[Eddie Judge]

Oh, wow. Big age difference. Okay.

[John Barlow]

Yeah. Well, Beat is our middle child.

[Eddie Judge]

Oh. So is Jack kind of taking the rings and like running the business, or is he just kind of learning?

[John Barlow]

I'd say still learning. So he's. He now is going to the University of Utah.

[Eddie Judge]

Oh, okay.

[John Barlow]

And so it's his first semester going to the college. He's. He's loving it. He's. His. The degree he chose, it's finance. And so, you know, he's. I told him, I was like, you can never go wrong with a finance degree, whether you're doing your own thing or you want to work.

[Edwin Ariave]

Agreed.

[Eddie Judge]

100.

[Edwin Ariave]

I just told my daughter that. My 17 year old.

[John Barlow]

I just told her that It's. I wish my parents had told me that. Yeah, but it was. But no, but he's. He actually. Oh, we have our lounge too. Next. Whenever you guys come up here next, you got to go to Park City. We've got our Vita Tequila lounge. And Jack's probably going to start doing some shifts up there just to get to know bartending and all that stuff now that he's 21. But we.

[Eddie Judge]

He.

[John Barlow]

I'm gonna start. I've had him go on trips with me to visit accounts, you know, before his mission and everything. We, like I said, we created Fresh Wolf partly so that they could become assimilated to business.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[John Barlow]

And so Jack is. He's actually really. What's the word? Participates a lot with the Fresh Wolf stuff. Like he's handling the Shopify. He's working with manufacturer. He's doing social media posts.

[Eddie Judge]

All of that.

[John Barlow]

That's awesome.

[Eddie Judge]

That's great.

[Edwin Ariave]

Did you get any. Did you get any backlash from the LDS community from, you know, with the Tequila.

[John Barlow]

Tequila.

[Edwin Ariave]

Tequila company.

[Eddie Judge]

Right.

[John Barlow]

That's.

[Eddie Judge]

That's great.

[John Barlow]

Question That's. Yeah.

[Eddie Judge]

No.

[John Barlow]

Yes, we did. We did at first. So it's kind of funny because, you know, we're going back over 15 years, and a lot has changed between that as far as just the way people perceive things. And when we first started, we did. We had some people in our, you know, they call them wards, but where our congregation, where they'd be like, you do what they like, kind of walk away and essentially talking under their breath that they think were horrible people. And so we did get a little bit of that. The funny part is, is some of those same people, a couple of weeks later would come knocking on our door, and they'd be like, oh, I've got a friend coming in town that loves tequila. Do you guys happen to have a bott. Like, okay. We're like, yeah, it's for your friend or, you know, or client or maybe, you know, so ask for a friend. Yeah, exactly. And so now, you know, there's. Where we live. It's nice. There's a lot of business owners and entrepreneurs. And so, yeah, you know, people get it. And it's. It's kind of funny because. Yeah, nobody even cares.

[Edwin Ariave]

Yeah. No, that's that. And then I assume you had a taste of tequila yourself. You. I assume you're a drinker, so I.

[John Barlow]

Drinker, might be a little bit strong.

[Edwin Ariave]

Yeah.

[John Barlow]

So I. I had never tasted of the taste. Yeah. I had never tasted tequila before we got into it, and.

[Eddie Judge]

Wow.

[John Barlow]

So it's, you know, I wish I had, like, a sexy story where, you know, we went down and we spent months, you know, canvassing Mexico for that one distillery or something like that.

[Eddie Judge]

How did the idea come up then? Is it Lisa's idea, or was it mutual or.

[John Barlow]

So I was doing some importing, exporting from Mexico already with some hot sauces and getting into wines.

[Eddie Judge]

Okay.

[John Barlow]

And we were introduced to our distillery down there. And it was just. It was something that, you know, talk. Talking to Lisa. We both agreed. We're like, I think this is. We could do something with this. Yeah. And, you know, Lisa grew up not LDS for a large portion of her life, and. Okay. Her extended family's not. So she was a lot more, you know.

[Edwin Ariave]

So she knew tequila.

[John Barlow]

Yeah, she knew tequila. She knew the spirits industry as a whole. And. And so she's like, let's go. Let's go for it. And she's the one that named it. We're trying to come up with a name, and she literally sat up at three in the morning one night. She's like, it's got to be Vita, because Vita means life, and nobody can take life.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[John Barlow]

I'm like, okay. I was like, great. You know, she. And she's the one. Like I said, when we started, the bottle actually looked like Patron and Don Julio had a baby. And so we went through a rebrand, and Lisa's the one that designed the bottle that we have now, and she wanted it shaped almost like a woman's body with the shoulders and then slope as the neck. And she's very specific on how.

[Edwin Ariave]

That's why I love that bottle so much. I like the bump. Now I'm like, yeah, I don't know what it is about bumps. That's why I like cars as well. That's why I've always liked Porsches. I like the little bump on the. You know, so the bottle.

[John Barlow]

What'd you go to? Porsche.

[Edwin Ariave]

I love the 911. 911 Turbo is my go to. Although I love an RS. So the. The new RS I love, you know.

[John Barlow]

But yeah, you can't go wrong with Porsche.

[Edwin Ariave]

Yeah, you can't go wrong with those. But, yeah. Well, you guys did a great job on that tequila, so.

[John Barlow]

Yeah, no, we're very well done, very proud of it. Thank you. You know, it's award winning. It's in tons of markets we're working with internationally.

[Edwin Ariave]

Yeah.

[John Barlow]

And, you know, it's. It's been. It's been a lot of fun, but you guys are entrepreneurs. You know how it is. It's. It's a roller coaster.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah, it is.

[John Barlow]

There's days where you're just like, why the hell am I doing this?

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[John Barlow]

I think, you know, there's been days where I'm like, I think flipping burgers might actually be better for my mind than. Than anything else. And there's nothing wrong with anybody that's flipping burgers.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[John Barlow]

But, you know, it's. It is. But there it is fun. You know, the fun parts outweigh, you know, the bad parts.

[Eddie Judge]

Absolutely.

[Edwin Ariave]

So, John, speaking of, you know, entrepreneurship, you know, people often talk about, especially now, diversifying and having different businesses. And I've always been a big believer of, yeah, that's fine. But you always have to have one that is your bread and butter, like the one that's just consistent over. That you can always count on. That's just the. The cash flow one that comes in that then allows you to invest in all these other businesses. What business would that be for you? Which one is your sort of bread and butterfly? Your go to?

[John Barlow]

Definitely Vita. You know, Vita has Been around the longest. Vita, we, we understand the spirits industry, you know, from kind of to your point, from Vita, our heart Seltzer actually spawned off from that because the, the hard seltzer we call it's Blue Jay again from something with Lisa story behind that. Yeah, but so Blue Jay is. There's no tequila in it, but it's agave, agave flavored or agave centered. And what they, what our, the producer did is they actually extracted the flavors of our blanco and put it into the margarita and the Paloma flavor and then extracted the flavors of our reposado and put it in the Mexican Mule flavor and. And so yeah, definitely beat. And like I said, Blue Jays spawned off that, you know, and Fresh Wolf is still rather new, but it's something that, you know, we are able to do because of all the other stuff that we're doing.

[Edwin Ariave]

So I know you don't drink, but if you, if you did or the few times you do, are you a blanco guy reposado or an guy.

[Eddie Judge]

So.

[John Barlow]

But you know, I, I do enjoy a good drink though. I will say, you know, if I'm not drinking our tequila, I love Irish whiskey and so. And a good bourbon is you can't. Can never go wrong as far as our tequila. It sounds cliche. I feel like I'm choosing children, you know, favorites because I think they're all great. Then Yejo, though for me is really the, the one that. To sit down and just sip and enjoy, you know, there it's, it's two years age, two years in French oak barrels and it's, it's just amazing. And like I said, all three are great for sipping. But Daniel, I think is just, you know, top of, top of the line.

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[Eddie Judge]

So let's get into you and Lisa and about the show. How were you or what was your reaction when you first got introduced to it, like potentially being on the show? Or do you even know when you got invited that it was going to be a housewife show?

[John Barlow]

Yeah, so the interesting backstory and there's been some disagreement on this, but Lisa's the one that brought the show here.

[Eddie Judge]

Oh.

[John Barlow]

And, and so we definitely knew what was going on. She had actually filmed a couple pilots or we had actually filmed a couple pilots even prior to this one. And so Michaeline is the, the producer that actually presented the show to Bravo and okay, her company and what happened is different people have been trying to connect Lisa to Michael Lane for a couple years and just they never could. And then finally, you know, being here in Utah and with Tequila, we're friends with a lot of the restaurant owners and one of them specifically Her. I think it's her husband's. Her husband's friend was a producer with Mike Lane and was saying, hey, we want to do a women and entrepreneur type type show. Do you know who we should talk to? And immediately they're like, you got to talk to Lisa Barlow. And so Lisa met with Michael Lean and started talking about it. And, you know, we. We're really good friends with the marks, Meredith and Seth. You know, we go back over 10 years with them.

[Eddie Judge]

Wow.

[John Barlow]

So, you know, Lisa recommended Meredith, she recommended Heather, who. Heather recommended Whitney and I think, or Jen or something like that. And so, you know, it was. It was a. It was a really interesting process just from, you know, start to finish, because the. We filmed. They had the husband's film with the wives a few times, but it's mainly just the wives at the different parties for the sizzle. And, you know, they. What was it? They put it, packaged it together. And my understanding is there were about 200 or so submissions that month. Bravo. And this one was the only one that they picked, and they liked it so much that they wanted it to have the housewives, you know, juggernaut behind it. So they. Housewives of Salt Lake City.

[Eddie Judge]

Wow.

[John Barlow]

Were you.

[Eddie Judge]

Were you nervous going in?

[John Barlow]

I didn't know what. I didn't know what to think, really. I. So I think you probably get this from a lot of the husbands. I never watched any housewife show before.

[Eddie Judge]

Oh, okay.

[John Barlow]

And. And so I knew nothing about it other than arguing. You know, obviously the table flipping's famous and everything like that. You know, I would be out in the front room watching SportsCenter till midnight, come in the bedroom to go to bed, and Lisa would have probably O.C. or Beverly Hills on, and. And I'd be like, okay, I'm not going to deal with this. And I just go and sleep on the couch.

[Edwin Ariave]

I remember those days.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Edwin Ariave]

So did you look at it more, as I would assume. Correct me if I'm wrong, You're sitting back. Because I kind of. The way that's. The way I looked at it is. Well, if I go on the show, it's great for marketing, it's great for business. You know, you obviously have a Vita. Your tequila company was around already.

[John Barlow]

Yeah.

[Edwin Ariave]

Did that in your. In. In your mind, did that play a part in it? Well, if I go on the show, we can market our tequila.

[John Barlow]

Yeah, no, of course. You know, it's really two things. One, obviously, is same with you guys. Wanted to support Lisa, you know, with whatever she wanted to do. And secondly, supporting Lisa with it wasn't hard because really, the reason why we really want to do it was just for beta, you know, for the marketing. And, you know, I think the way that Lisa says it and I agree, people that come on and, you know, unless you have something that you're really trying to promote, you're just coming on to yell and scream.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[John Barlow]

And, and so, you know, we thought, okay, this will be great exposure for the brand, which it has been. I mean, we've got people in Scotland messaging us. Hey, we want Vita, you know, type.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[John Barlow]

And so it was. Yeah, but so. But I came in totally blind, like, not knowing what to expect.

[Edwin Ariave]

So this season, some of the members are attacking the business. How do you and Lisa handle that?

[John Barlow]

We just take it for what it is. You know, we're. They're. They're giving us more attention. You know, it's. It's. In my opinion, it's sad because especially nowadays, you know, women up. Should be uplifting women, Right? Or not. I don't know if I should say should the uplifting women, but that's, you know, the kind of the line of thinking. And when you see women on any of the franchises tearing down their businesses, their families or anything, it's really like, it's kind of sad to see because you could still have the drama and everything without trying to ruin someone's life. Yeah.

[Edwin Ariave]

Has it affected the business at all, the fact that there. Or is it bad press? Is good press sometimes.

[Eddie Judge]

Well, let's. Let's unpack that a little bit. Like, what was, what was it that they did to try to affect your business in a negative way?

[John Barlow]

Oh, they're just bringing up stuff from the past. You know, we've. We've had, just like any businesses, we've had lawsuits in the past.

[Eddie Judge]

Okay.

[John Barlow]

And move past it, but they're trying to make it more salacious than it was.

[Eddie Judge]

Okay.

[John Barlow]

And so, you know, it's just like, you know, and Lisa in one of the episodes, she's like, okay, guys, you talked about me when I wasn't here. This is what you're talking about. It's all taken care of. Let's move on.

[Edwin Ariave]

By the way, I've never seen a big company that hasn't gotten sued. Every company gets sued.

[John Barlow]

Yeah. Big companies, small companies.

[Edwin Ariave]

It's part of the game. If you're going. You're going to get sued, you got.

[Eddie Judge]

You got to have a budget for that. That's. That's super important. It's going to happen. It's not it's going to happen.

[John Barlow]

To quote Lisa, nobody goes for the bottom. Right.

[Eddie Judge]

No.

[John Barlow]

So it's. It, yeah, it does. And it's just. But yeah, I mean we've, Lisa and I have just kind of sit back. We're like, okay, whatever.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, take it as it comes. Were you friends with some or all the husbands before you started filming?

[John Barlow]

Just Seth. So we, yeah. Lisa was introduced to Meredith probably 12 or 13 years ago.

[Eddie Judge]

Okay.

[John Barlow]

And so met Seth. Like we go out to dinner. There's oldest son Reed, who you sometimes see on the show, actually taught Jack basketball.

[Eddie Judge]

Okay.

[John Barlow]

For a couple of years. And, and Lisa did Chloe's bat mitzvah. And so, you know, so we go back with them, the other guys I met during, you know, during the process and everything.

[Eddie Judge]

So I have a two part question and the first part is the most important and that is how has the show affected your, your marriage good and bad? And has the show affected your long term relationship with your friends that you came on the show with? Has it changed it at all?

[John Barlow]

So with, as far as like Lisa and I, we're pretty much the same as, you know, as we were before the show. You know, we, we're both, even though it doesn't come across on the show, we're both alpha. You know, we both want to be in charge.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[John Barlow]

Even though, you know, with the show it's the housewives. So, you know, support our, our wives. And so, you know, we're, we would butt heads to. Before the show was ever around. We butt heads now. You know, we loved each other before, we love each other now. It's, I will say it's been interesting with the show because. And you guys can relate to this 100 too. It's a unique way of documenting your life.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[John Barlow]

Right. With your kids.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[John Barlow]

And your, and your relationship. So not everybody can go on demand from five years ago and say, oh my gosh, my son was, was, you know, 8 years old and now he's 14 and see how that goes or, or watch, you know, Lisa and I interact. And so it's, I'd say it's, I don't know if I could. I don't know if I'd say it's like strengthen it, but it definitely hasn't weakened. You know, we're, like I said, we're kind of still, we've, we've been married over 20 years now and so been through a lot.

[Eddie Judge]

Well, I always say that if you're a couple that goes into a reality TV platform and you have any cracks in your relationship, it's going to show. You know, it's just a matter of time that those cracks get bigger for. Because of the pressure of the TV and the social media and everything that's coming at you. You know, it's not a normal life, but if there's cracks in there and you've. And, you know, I mean, it's like the typical statistics. More divorced housewives than not. You know, I think we were just talking about this, Edwin, last time we had our guests and Beverly Hills, they're all divorced, Right?

[John Barlow]

That's true. That's true. I think. What was it? Kyle and Marie, Divorce, Last one. Or maybe it's Dorit and PK were the last one standing, but yeah, yeah.

[Eddie Judge]

Divorce or in jail.

[John Barlow]

That's the separation. Yeah. Yep. And relate to that with our cast. Yeah. No, and yeah, you know, friend wise, Seth and I are really good. We went through, you know, there was the hot mic moment that Lisa's famous for. I think it was the second season and where she kind of lost her. And. And they had a mic outside. Well, it was just a lot of pressure. You know, you talk about pressure just building up.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[John Barlow]

And she felt that. That Meredith wasn't kind of supporting her the way that she was hoping because they came on such good friends and everything. Yeah. And. And so Lisa, because she didn't want to explode in front of the group because they were on a trip, walked away from the table, took off her mic and went into her room and just started yelling, you know, like, at her pillow. You know, like everybody does it, you know, like you want to just put your face in the pillow and scream, or you just go into a room and let loose. It just so happens that there's a production team around you, and they had a mic. They say they had a mic right outside the room.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[John Barlow]

And so for the next year or so, things were a little tense with Seth and I. But, you know, we. It was kind of. I don't know if you guys did this. And it wasn't anything real formal, but the husbands, when we started, you know, Justin Sharif, not really Mary's husband, but me and Seth, you know, we kind of had this understanding that we would never talk bad about the wives or anything like that.

[Eddie Judge]

Okay.

[John Barlow]

And because it never. It never fares well.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[John Barlow]

And plus, we don't want to talk bad about them anyway. And. And so even during that time, you know, Seth never really said anything bad about Lisa, but it wasn't like we could really, you know, hang Out. But everything's now water under the bridge. And, you know, Lisa and Meredith are great. And so, you know, Seth and I will. When he gets in town, we'll go to dinner and stuff. I'm looking forward to seeing him next week also.

[Eddie Judge]

Tell me about your desire or lack of desire to be part of the show. Did you ever feel like. I mean, for me, for example, when the cameras are around, I feel like I gotta. I gotta perform. I gotta do some sort of dog and pony show because there's a camera, you know, pointed at me. And I've said some stupid things, which, you know, thank God they didn't make them on the air. But I just felt this pressure. Did you ever feel this pressure, like, I gotta do something because the cameras are up? Or were you just.

[John Barlow]

Yeah, yeah. More on the. More on the, you know, try and trying to maintain who I am. And it wasn't so much. Much pressure to do something. More pressure to not do something, you know, like. Like not do the stupid things. You know, I. I will say that before we started really filming, I watched a couple different franchises to see what the husbands were like, okay, like, okay, don't do that, don't do that, don't do that.

[Eddie Judge]

And.

[John Barlow]

And so, you know, I try to. I try to be me whether the cameras are rolling or not, which I. I still have. Said stupid things.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[John Barlow]

And it, you know, it might not be about anybody. It might just be a conversation with Lisa and I where a week later, she's like, you're such a dumbass. Why would you, you know, say this or whatever? And I'm like, sorry, I wasn't. You know, I'm not as well trained.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Edwin Ariave]

When you watched Eddie's. Eddie's bathtub scene, did you say, I'm not gonna do that?

[John Barlow]

I actually watched it, like, 10 or 20 times. That's the benefit of, you know, on.

[Eddie Judge]

Demand, what not to do on your first day of filming.

[John Barlow]

Well, hey, I was taking notes. You could say how for whatever you want.

[Eddie Judge]

I always like to say I'm a slow learner because I do try to take in all variables before I make a final judgment or decision. But I was a slow learner until I figured it out. And I'm like, okay, I can't control this, and I don't want to be the Six Housewives. So I'm going to stay away from. When the hits the fan, I'm going to be standing behind the camera so they don't get my reaction. They don't get me involved. And you Know, it's. It's just better not to be involved. I did see a clip that you guys attended the reunion with your wives. How was that experience?

[John Barlow]

So they've had us at all but one re or no. Yeah, all but one reunion, I think.

[Eddie Judge]

Okay.

[John Barlow]

Maybe two. Overall, they've been good.

[Eddie Judge]

Okay.

[John Barlow]

Last year's was interesting because there were some lies perpetuated during the reunion from one of the husbands. And so I. You know, I did step in, and I was like, you know, watch how you're talking to my wife, essentially.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[John Barlow]

And, you know, essentially, I was. What I exactly said was, watch your tone.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[John Barlow]

And. Because, again, like I said, we shouldn't be addressing anybody's wife in any derogatory way. And, you know, so. But that was about it. It was, you know, but the. The reunions are. They're interesting. I think the best one that we had was when we weren't. Didn't go on stage. It was Seth just. And I just, like, kicking back the whole day. I think we're on Instagram live for, like, three hours. That's cool.

[Edwin Ariave]

Well, I didn't realize. So you guys are on stage with the girls?

[John Barlow]

Yeah, they've. Yeah, they've had us on stage for at least, I think it was. Yeah. Three. Three of the seasons or. Yeah. So far.

[Edwin Ariave]

So do you get to charge for that since you're on stage?

[John Barlow]

No.

[Edwin Ariave]

No. You're giving them a freebie.

[John Barlow]

A freebie? Yep. Yeah. No, it's. As you guys know, husbands make not even minimum wage.

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[John Barlow]

So it's.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah, we're there.

[John Barlow]

We're there to support.

[Eddie Judge]

It's. It's free labor, and I'm not good with that. I mean, unless it's charitable, and this is hardly charitable.

[Edwin Ariave]

Eddie, have you ever. The finale.

[Eddie Judge]

I was just thinking that. Edwin, I want to say no, because I just never wanted to be in that situation, because I'd love to see that. I'd have to ask my wife, because she has a better memory than I have, but I'd have to ask her. But when it came down to it, when you're not paying me to do anything, I'm not going to do it. This is. And they did offer me. I do remember them offering me a measly $5,000 or something stupid like that to go. And I'm like, no, I. And I said, My number is $50 million. And it's been $50 million ever since.

[John Barlow]

Nice.

[Edwin Ariave]

Well, John, I got. I got to give you a lot of props, because that's one thing I probably Wouldn't do. Those girls are scary.

[John Barlow]

Yeah, it's like it is to get.

[Edwin Ariave]

In the mix with because, I mean, it's. It's open game at that point. Once you get. Once you sit on that couch much.

[Eddie Judge]

Oh, yeah.

[John Barlow]

Well, so they. They're pretty. With the husbands. They're pretty good with the husbands where it's not. And if. If there's any shots fired at the husbands, it's usually because the husbands insert themselves. Does that make sense?

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah, absolutely.

[John Barlow]

I make sure that I do not speak unless spoken to. And, you know, and that's. And that's by Andy. You know, if Andy asked me a question, happy to answer. If anybody else does, it's like, I don't know if I'm gonna answer. And so.

[Eddie Judge]

Well, I gotta. I gotta give you guys props too, because my wife obviously watches a lot of the shows to report on the two T's in the Pod podcast. And, I mean, I don't know how she handles it because I would be killing myself watching all these different franchises. But she has said that the Salt Lake City housewives really know how to do their job. Meaning they know how to. How to perform. They know how to get in a fight and then make up. Because I guess that's really the premise of the show, right? It's fight, makeup, fight, make up. And. And I think the audience loves to see that. But what's been happening, which started in Jersey and it's kind of made its way into Orange county, is all these lies, these. These fake stories that have no merit to them. You know, it's like you have all these lies that potentially can, you know, hurt that person or that person's business. I mean, let's go back to probably five or six years ago, maybe seven years ago, there was this whole scene that was perpetrated on the show, our show, where they were at Vicki's house and they were all collaborating. You know, they can't get to Tamara anymore, so they come after me and they, they. The acting was terrible, but they put out there that, oh, I. I saw Eddie coming out of room with some guy and, oh, yeah, that's what makes Eddie gay. Right. And. And all these were false stories.

[John Barlow]

Yeah.

[Eddie Judge]

That's just wrong. You know, I. I'm all about calling people out on their. Like my wife, she's really good at finding the. In everybody. And she'll call you out, but she will never make up false stories just to be relevant on the show. Right. And I don't know if that's happening on the Salt Lake City, but I don't think that's right.

[John Barlow]

Yeah, I, I totally 100 agree with you. I, I don't like that. I don't like the gang ups that happens. And, you know, please tell Tamara, you know, I appreciate her helping Lisa walk off the ledge the last couple of weeks, because, you know, Lisa has been getting ganged up on a bit and Tamara and her and Lisa were messaging and Tam was like, I totally get it. You're fine. You know, don't sweat it. And, you know, even though Lisa just like both of your wives, they're very strong women, they still, it's still nice to have some, you know, someone saying, you got this, you know, outside of us.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[John Barlow]

And, and so it's, you know, make sure to tell her I appreciate it because, you know, I can tell Lisa she's fine. And Lisa will be like, you're full of. But if camera says that, then she's like, okay, that's gospel.

[Edwin Ariave]

Well, here's the question for both of you. So since I guess both, both of your wives are sort of having the same type of season as far as getting attacked, what's the number one thing you guys try to do for them when they're having a season that. That's like that?

[John Barlow]

Oh, well, for me, which is I have not been doing a good job of this year, is listen and not try and fix anything, because I will. In the past, I've been a lot better at just listening and letting Lisa get through everything. And. But this year I've been like, no, I think you should try and say this or this. And she's like, it doesn't work. It doesn't work. She's like, and you know, if you were talking with one of your friends or someone at a job or something like that, then it would work, but it doesn't work in this situation. So every time I'm like, just listen, Let her talk. And, you know, don't try and fix anything.

[Eddie Judge]

And that's exactly the way to handle it. Because for the many years that we've been doing it, it's been in the beginning, like, you should have said this or you should try this. And I get the same answer. No, it doesn't work that way on reality tv. And sometimes I say, well, then why are you asking me? Wrong mistake. Don't say that.

[John Barlow]

No, don't say that. No. I know a lot of times I'll, I'll preface it. I'm like, do you want me to listen or do you want feedback? Do you want you know, any type of.

[Edwin Ariave]

So that's really good, John. That's a good advice there. Because I think that's the problem with most men. I mean, that was my problem with me, was I was always trying to fix things.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Edwin Ariave]

And sometimes they just want you to listen. They don't need you to fix it.

[Eddie Judge]

Well, one thing I learned, you know, and Edwin, I know you're part of EO or ypo, but the rule is, is that you listen and you share your experience. If you have a similar experience, if you don't, you shut the up and you don't say anything. Right?

[Edwin Ariave]

Yeah. You don't give advice, you share your experience.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah. And. And that. I think that's a solid rule in all aspects of life, even from just a friendship to family. If you have experience, you don't give advice. You just share your experience because it might help or it might just not be completely the same. And I can't. I can honestly tell you, I don't have the experience my wife has on this show. She has to deal with the toxicity of it all and navigate through all of it almost by herself. And I think most of the housewives are in those shoes. Right. Because you certainly can't go to your co workers and talk about it. Just turn around and use it against you.

[John Barlow]

Yeah. Yeah. When we, as husbands, it's not like we're going to go get anybody's face.

[Eddie Judge]

No.

[John Barlow]

And. And I, I. You know, the crazy part, too, is there's. There is negativity, and I think that's what. In just in general. In life.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[John Barlow]

With the show and with Bravo, there's a lot of positive stuff, too.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[John Barlow]

And so, you know, trying to kind of shift focus, as difficult as it is, you know, onto some of the positives. I remember Lisa, the first season. And you guys can relate to this, too, you know, not knowing what it's like. You know, you film with your wife, you film with your family, you walk away, you're like. And Lisa and I were like, we did it.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[John Barlow]

Everybody's gonna love us. We're so cool. And then you watch it and you see the ladies, like, saying, oh, Lisa's a. Or this or that. And that first season, Lisa would be. It would take, like, a day to recover. Yeah.

[Eddie Judge]

For her.

[John Barlow]

And. But I told her one day, and this was. She actually liked that I actually. That I said this. And it was probably after listening for quite a while, but I was like. Because I deal. I like sports, and I just kind of compared it to the NBA. The NBA is a very elite group. Right. You have roughly 30 teams, 15 guys per team, out of the whole world.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[John Barlow]

And so I told Lisa, I'm like, your group is even more elite than the NBA. I'm like, think about it. There's, you know, 10 franchises and five to six ladies per franchise. Guys. I'm like, you are special. And, you know, she. It took her a little bit, but she did take it in to where she's like, okay, I get it. And it helps, you know, it helps, you know, I guess shift the focus from the negativity, as hard as that is. But there is a lot of good, good stuff, too.

[Eddie Judge]

In the beginning, I actually had my wife convinced. I think I had my wife convinced that it's a business. You go do your job and do a really good job about it. Come home, shut it off, and let's call it a day. And I don't know where in the. In the journey, she became friends with one of the housewives, and she became, like, outside of the show, friends. And I'm like, you're making a mistake. I don't know why you're doing this. And everything kind of changed from then, and she started taking things personal again. And that was the whole premise behind calling it a business, because you can't get emotional when it comes to business. Business is business, and that's what it is. And it's when you. When you get hurt about the. That's coming at you on social media and the tv, because like I said earlier, it's all about the edit. It's. It's how they edit you and. And watching the show in the beginning, I like you, John. I was kind of studying the guys, and I'm like, yeah, you guys, you look like a douchebag. Even though you're not doing anything, the camera is very transparent and just watching you. So I don't consider myself a douchebag. I'm not perfect by any means, but I'm definitely not a douchebag. So whatever the camera portrayed for me, it's been kind of positive, I should say, where I don't have skeletons in my closet or freaking cemetery. I'm not investigated by the FBI. I'm not going to jail. You know, none of this is going to come out of me. But if you. If you, your. If your final, like, opinion of me is that I am boring, I'm okay with that.

[John Barlow]

Yeah, that's okay.

[Eddie Judge]

Totally okay with that.

[John Barlow]

Yeah. I've had. I've had comments where they're like, john's just a doormat, this and that. And I'm like, hey, you know what portray me is that if you want, I'm supporting my wife and I'm showing you that I support my wife. And what you see is me just saying, okay, dear, let's do that.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah, yeah, I think it's safer. And I'm happy that, that Edwin's the same way. Like, he learned pretty quick. Like, I'm just gonna sit back and not say anything, you know.

[John Barlow]

Oh yeah.

[Eddie Judge]

Like, you know some other husbands who like to get involved or boyfriends, I should say.

[John Barlow]

Yeah, no, I. I agree. I think. I think overall, too, I have all the husbands that I've met or boyfriends or whatever have all been really cool. I don't watch all of the franchises, so I don't know how they are on, you know, on the show or anything like that, but I know there are some that like to get more involved and almost want to hold a snowflake or a peach or orange or whatever. That's true.

[Eddie Judge]

That's so true.

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[Eddie Judge]

Tell us a little bit about your, your life outside of filming. Because as, as we all know on, on this podcast here, what you see on TV is not entirely the real life that we live. You know, it's similar. I think there's a lot of components of it that, particularly the relationships. When they're solid, they're solid. But what's your life like outside of filming? What do you guys like to do?

[John Barlow]

Well, we, we like to travel. We love, we love Europe. I haven't been to London. Lisa's been there a couple times. We love France. We've taken our boys to, to France two or three times now. So traveling is a lot of fun. We like, we just like spending time with our kids too, as weird as that might sound. You know, they might not want to spend time with us.

[Eddie Judge]

No.

[John Barlow]

But you know, we, we love being around our kids and we know it's a short time. Time frame.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[John Barlow]

Before they're going to be out of the house and everything. And so we like doing that. Lisa and I just. We will what? It's kind of funny, but. And you might think it's cliche, but what you see on the show is real. We'll like drive and get Cokes, you got.

[Eddie Judge]

Okay.

[John Barlow]

You know, we might be doing work in separate areas of the house or I might be at the office or something like that. And she'll call and be like, hey, let's go get a coat.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[John Barlow]

So we'll just, you know, go and go and drive and, and decompress and everything while getting A soda and trying to think. You know, I've been. Me, personally, I. I don't know if you guys are into F1, but I've gotten into F1 like, crazy over the last, like, six months. And so I'm, like, watching races now and all that stuff.

[Eddie Judge]

Did you see the movie?

[John Barlow]

I have seen. I love the movie, actually.

[Eddie Judge]

That was an awesome movie. It was long, but it was very well done. I highly recommend it.

[John Barlow]

That and the Netflix series Drive Survive.

[Eddie Judge]

Oh, that was awesome.

[John Barlow]

Yeah. So I. Our. Our good friend has us. Our good friends. Their son is in F4 now. Started go Kart and lives over in Europe and. Or in Italy, I should say. And he kept telling me, he's like, you got to watch Drive to Survive. Gotta watch it. And after. After going to see F1, I'm like, okay, I'm gonna try it. I binged that for over. Like, that's cool. You know, however many. However long it took me.

[Eddie Judge]

But yeah. Yeah.

[John Barlow]

Yes. So f. You know, and so I like the F1. Lisa. Lisa loves horseback riding, you know, so she's. She's got a horse, so she loves to go ride, and. And that helps her relax.

[Eddie Judge]

She.

[John Barlow]

The. It's her about it, but she loves to, like, ground herself. Like, I don't know if you guys are into this, where your feet or bare feet are on the grass, and she will sit there and talk to the trees in our front yard and stuff like that.

[Eddie Judge]

That is so therapeutic, and people don't understand how therapeutic that is. Even talking to animals like a horse or.

[John Barlow]

Or.

[Eddie Judge]

Or even a cow, if you're ever around big animals like that. I mean, not big animals like bears and tigers and lions because they'll eat you, but, you know, docile animals. It's such a. An amazing feeling just to surround yourself with nature. That's one of my favorite things about riding dirt bikes, is that I find myself in very short time in the middle of nowhere with either surrounded by trees or desert or whatever, but you're just in nature. You're in the world. And it's. It's so rejuvenating.

[John Barlow]

Yeah. Yeah. I. I like to. I used to mountain bike, which was great, but I haven't had time, so I. I like to go to the gym. That helps me. Helps my mind get back to center. But. Yeah, I think I was interrupting you, Edwin. Sorry.

[Edwin Ariave]

I was gonna say last question before we let you go, John. By the way, this interview has been amazing. Obviously, you've been on the season for six seasons and. Six seasons, right.

[John Barlow]

This Is the current one is season six.

[Edwin Ariave]

Yeah, Season six. So thought was there ever a moment or moments that you wanted to quit or Lisa wanted to quit and one of you had to talk to each other about, you know, just keep going.

[John Barlow]

Continuing on every season. Does that make sense.

[Edwin Ariave]

More you or Lisa?

[John Barlow]

Yeah, you know, well, I'd have to say Lisa because it's more about her. You know, she. Like what you were saying, Eddie. You know, the wives deal with it.

[Edwin Ariave]

It.

[John Barlow]

You know, we're. We're background, and so I can, you know, go to a party. When we go to a party to film, we, as you guys are veterans, too, you know, you're not going to enjoy yourself. Yeah. The wives. The wives know they're going to battle, essentially.

[Eddie Judge]

Yes.

[John Barlow]

And what I've learned as a husband is I go with her. And at first, I'd go do whatever I wanted, you know, I'd be talking with someone or whatever then. And after a few different events, I'm like, okay, ship's gonna go down. I've got to be within five feet.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[John Barlow]

To some. To be there for Lisa. And so I think, you know, I'd have to say Lisa's wanted to. She's. She never would, you know, because she. She enjoys. She really does enjoy it. As crazy as. You guys can relate, too, I'm sure. As crazy as the casts are, you know, and they kind of hate each other.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[John Barlow]

There are unique. There's a unique bond.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[John Barlow]

Between all of the ladies because nobody else is going through it.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Edwin Ariave]

Right.

[John Barlow]

And so, you know, I think, you know, at the end of the day, you know, Lisa would get it up, and if she doesn't love them, she'd still get up and beat the. Out of someone else if they were, you know, picking on or something like that. Picking on one of the other ladies.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[John Barlow]

And it's so, you know, she would never. She would never outright. Right. Quit. But there are days that we're just like this. We.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah, yeah.

[Edwin Ariave]

You know, I always say if you're not doing something big enough, you're not. If you're not wanting to quit something.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Edwin Ariave]

You're not doing something big enough.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Edwin Ariave]

Because if you're doing something big enough, there's. You're always going to want to quit at some point, even though you won't. Right. It's like in business, too, like, there's been so many times I'm just like, why the F. Am I doing this?

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[John Barlow]

Yeah.

[Edwin Ariave]

You know, and if you're not wanting to quit, you're not Doing anything big.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[John Barlow]

Well, I appreciate you saying that because there have been days on multiple things where I'm just like, I'm done.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[John Barlow]

Let me go live on a bench. I don't care.

[Eddie Judge]

Right. Yeah.

[Edwin Ariave]

Awesome job. Great interview. We had such a great time with you.

[John Barlow]

Likewise.

[Edwin Ariave]

By the way. That's.

[John Barlow]

Yeah.

[Eddie Judge]

I can't believe it.

[John Barlow]

Like that.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[John Barlow]

Hopefully I didn't talk too much or anything like that. And I hope. I hope Teddy's doing well also. I. Yeah, she's doing well. I had pieces cut out of my forehead. Everything. Not. Not to the level that she's had to deal with. So. Yeah, I'm glad to hear that she's doing better.

[Edwin Ariave]

Oh, wow. I didn't see you've also dealt with some melanoma before.

[John Barlow]

Yeah, like I said, it was benign, but, yeah, I had. I. I was walking around the gym with this big patch on my forehead after they dug a whole lot of it.

[Edwin Ariave]

Yeah.

[John Barlow]

It's hard to explain to people.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah. Well, thank you so much for coming up and spending the time with us. We really appreciate getting to know you. I know our listeners are going to be very excited to get to know you, and we'll see you next time.

[John Barlow]

Yeah. Again, thank you very much for having me.

[Edwin Ariave]

All right, John, see you soon.

[Eddie Judge]

Thank you, John.

[John Barlow]

See you, guys.

[Edwin Ariave]

All right.

[Eddie Judge]

Bye. Bye. Bye.

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