Two Ts In A Pod: "The Eds: unEDited with John Barlow"

Release date: December 23, 2025
Hosts: Eddie Judge, Edwin Ariave (guest-hosting for Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge)
Guest: John Barlow (husband of Lisa Barlow, The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City)

Episode Overview

This episode features a candid, wide-ranging conversation with John Barlow about his life, business career, and experiences as the husband of a Real Housewife. Hosts Eddie Judge and Edwin Ariave dig deep into John’s upbringing, his Mormon roots, entrepreneurship, behind-the-scenes perspectives on reality TV, handling drama and rumors, and the ongoing journey of being married to a Housewife. The tone is open, thoughtful, and frequently light-hearted, offering listeners unique perspective from the quieter side of Bravo fame.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

John’s Background: Adoption, Childhood, and Family

• Adoption Story
  • John shares his unique adoption journey, having been given up as a baby, adopted, returned due to medical issues, and then adopted again by his current parents through LDS Church services.
  • Quote: "I was adopted as a baby and... adopted, but then returned and then adopted by my parents. Wow. That's how my life started." — John Barlow [04:04]
• Family Moves
  • Grew up in various places due to his father's IBM career—Northern California, Illinois, Florida, and Texas.
  • Graduated from the same high school as Post Malone.
• Religious Upbringing
  • Raised Mormon (LDS), did a mission in Las Vegas.
  • Quote: "It was very eye-opening to me... growing up a lot of guys... wanted to go on missions there... foreign missions. I opened my vision call Las Vegas, like, do I really want to go?" — John Barlow [06:27]

Reconnecting with Biological Family

• Discusses how his wife Lisa encouraged him to use Ancestry.com, leading to discovering and connecting with his birth mother and half-brother.
• Quote: "Lisa was on Ancestry, just checking away... First cousin. That means something. She's on Facebook... She reached out to this one guy and she's like, hey, I think my husband is your half brother." — John Barlow [14:19]
• Birth mother now sends gifts for the Barlow children, and the family has formed a positive connection.

College, Early Career, & How John Met Lisa

• Attended BYU (Brigham Young University).
• First career steps included a tough job in Chicago before returning to Utah, where he met Lisa.
• Met Lisa through her older sister, and only became a couple after several casual group hangouts.
• Quote: "She was just such a cool, cool girl from the get go, you know... What you guys see on the show as far as Lisa? That's really her." — John Barlow [19:24]
• Dated for two years before marriage, and, owing to LDS values, waited to be intimate.

Family Businesses: Entrepreneurship & Navigating “Bread and Butter”

• John and Lisa run multiple businesses:
  • Vita Tequila—their mainstay and “bread and butter” [30:00–31:00]
  • Blue Jay Hard Seltzer
  • Fresh Wolf men’s grooming (launched with their sons)
  • Lisa’s experiential marketing company, "Luxury"
• John shared the business history and Lisa’s creative direction—especially branding and bottle design.
• Quote: “Lisa’s the one that named it... she literally sat up at three in the morning one night. She’s like, it’s got to be Vita, because Vita means life, and nobody can take life.” — John Barlow [27:40]
• On being an entrepreneur: “It's a roller coaster... there's days where you're just like, why the hell am I doing this?” — John Barlow [29:08]
• Both emphasize the importance of one reliable business to support side ventures.

Faith, Community, and Controversy

• Discussed initial backlash from the LDS community when launching a tequila brand, describing that some church members were uncomfortable at first but ultimately became supportive (sometimes secretly purchasing tequila for “friends”).
• Quote: “When we first started... people in our congregation... would be like, you do what? ...they think we're horrible people... A couple of weeks later would come knocking on our door, ‘I've got a friend coming in town who loves tequila...’” — John Barlow [25:34]

Behind the Scenes of Housewives Fame

• How the Show Came to Salt Lake City
  • Lisa was central to bringing Real Housewives to Utah, helping recruit other cast members.
  • Quote: “Lisa’s the one that brought the show here... She had actually filmed a couple pilots even prior to this one.” — John Barlow [34:55]
• Initial Reactions & Navigating TV Fame
  • John didn't know much about Housewives beforehand—his main motivation was supporting Lisa and gaining business exposure.
  • Quote: “Wanted to support Lisa... but really, the reason why we really wanted to do it was for Vita, for the marketing.” — John Barlow [37:44]
• Dealing with On-Screen Drama & Attacks
  • John and Lisa have faced cast attacks on their businesses, often about legal disputes in their business past:
    • “They’re just bringing up stuff from the past... we've had lawsuits in the past... they're trying to make it more salacious than it was.” — John Barlow [39:24]
• Friendships Among Housewives and Husbands
  • John was only close with Seth Marks before the show; now, the husbands have a code not to speak badly about each other's wives.
  • Recounted difficult moments after Lisa’s “hot mic” incident but says relationships have since healed. [43:05-44:41]

Marriage and Relationship Insights

• The reality show hasn't fundamentally changed John and Lisa's marriage—both are strong personalities ("both alpha"), and they maintain a supportive partnership.
• Quote: “We’re pretty much the same as we were before. We’re both alpha... Even though, you know, with the show it’s the housewives... we both want to be in charge.” — John Barlow [41:10]
• Describes Housewives as an unusual way to document family history for posterity: “Not everybody can go on demand from five years ago and say, oh my gosh, my son was eight years old and now he’s 14 and see how that goes or watch Lisa and I interact.” [41:52]
• John's advice to support their wives under attack: Listen more, don’t always try to give advice or fix things. “[This] year, I’ve been like, no, I think you should try and say this... and she’s like, ‘it doesn’t work that way’... so every time, just listen.” — John Barlow [53:07]
• Eddie echoes: “If you have any cracks in your relationship, it’s going to show... the typical statistics—more divorced housewives than not.” [42:23]

Perspectives on Performing for Cameras

• Both John and Eddie admit to feeling pressure with cameras but try to remain authentic and uninvolved in drama.
• Quote: “More pressure to not do something, you know, like, not do the stupid things... I try to be me, whether the cameras are rolling or not.” — John Barlow [45:34]
• Discusses strategy at reunions: “I make sure I do not speak unless spoken to—and that’s by Andy [Cohen]. If Andy asks, happy to answer, if anybody else does, I don’t know...” [50:04]
• Touches on pay for husbands appearing on the show: “We're there to support. It's free labor, and I'm not good with that.” — Eddie Judge [48:43]

Making Reality TV a Business (and Not Taking It Personally)

• Both Eddie and John emphasize approaching the show as a job, not taking it personally, focusing on supporting their wives, and recognizing the elite nature of the Housewives franchise.
• Quote: “Your group [housewives] is even more elite than the NBA. There’s 10 franchises, five to six ladies per franchise—you are special.” — John Barlow [56:33]
• On editing and public perception: “If your final opinion of me is that I am boring, I’m okay with that.” — Eddie Judge [58:36]
• John adds: “If you want to portray me as a doormat... I’m supporting my wife.” [58:37]

Life Off-Camera & Family Balance

• Barlows enjoy travel (especially to Europe), spending family time, quick drives for sodas, and simple pleasures.
• Lisa finds peace in riding horses and grounding (bare feet on grass, talking to trees).
• F1 racing is a new passion for John, who binged the “Drive to Survive” Netflix series.
• Quote: “We love being around our kids... we know it’s a short time before they’re going to be out of the house.” — John Barlow [63:13]

Considering Quitting & The Challenge of Reality TV

• Every season has moments of doubt for both John and Lisa, but both believe in seeing things through and supporting one another.
• Quote: “Lisa would never outright quit... but there are days that we’re just like, this...” — John Barlow [67:51]
• Edwin: “If you’re not wanting to quit, you’re not doing anything big.” [68:17]

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "I have an affinity for adoption, for foster care, that sort of thing..." — John Barlow [04:43]
• "What you see on the show as far as Lisa? That's really her, you know, she's fiery, opinionated, brilliant, you know, and obviously beautiful." — John Barlow [19:24]
• "Lisa’s the one that brought the show here." — John Barlow [34:55]
• "I think flipping burgers might actually be better for my mind than anything else." — John Barlow on entrepreneurship [29:12]
• "With the husbands, they're pretty good... If there's any shots fired at the husbands, it's usually because the husbands insert themselves." — John Barlow on reunions [49:49]
• “If you have any cracks in your relationship, it's going to show." — Eddie Judge [42:23]
• "You are special. There's, you know... five to six ladies per franchise. You are special." — John Barlow encouraging Lisa [56:33]
• "[Reality TV] is a unique way of documenting your life." — John Barlow [41:51]

Timeline Highlights (Timestamps for Key Segments)

• Intro & John’s Adoption Story........................... [02:14–06:06]
• Mission & Mormon Upbringing......................... [06:20–08:07]
• Biological Family Rediscovery........................... [13:06–15:39]
• Meeting Lisa / Courtship / Relationship...........[16:01–21:56]
• Entrepreneurship Journey................................. [22:11–31:00]
• LDS Tequila Controversy.................................... [25:23–26:38]
• Vita Tequila Origin & Branding.......................... [27:05–28:20]
• How Housewives Came to Salt Lake................[34:48–36:38]
• Reality TV Business Motivations.......................[37:19–38:23]
• Handling Attacks on Business On-Air...............[39:16–40:04]
• Marriage, Relationship, Family Reflection..........[41:10–42:23]
• Husband Code & Hot Mic Fallout......................[43:05–44:41]
• Camera Pressure & Performing..........................[45:05–46:08]
• On Reunions, Drama & Gender Roles.................[47:19–50:04]
• Advice for Supporting a Housewife....................[53:07–54:03]
• Mindset: Treating TV as Business......................[56:59–58:39]
• Family Life, Off-Camera Dynamics......................[62:25–66:00]
• Quitting, Challenges, and Resilience...................[66:09–68:27]

Summary Takeaway

This “unEDited” interview offers insight into the real personalities and stresses behind Bravo’s reality machine—John Barlow comes across as authentic, grounded, and deeply supportive of his wife and family. His stories, candid advice, and willingness to examine the highs and lows (both in marriage and business) make this a must-listen for anyone curious about the “Housewives” world from the less flashy but essential side.