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Keely Watson
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Eddie Judge
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Nancy Glass
I'm Nancy Glass, host of the Burden of Guilt Season two podcast. This is a story about a horrendous lie that destroyed two families. Late one night, Bobby Gumpright became the victim of a random crime. The perpetrator was sentenced to 99 years until a confession changed everything.
Narrator (Sixth Bureau / Burden of Guilt)
I was a monster.
Nancy Glass
Listen to Burden of guilt season two on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Eddie Judge
This is Special Agent Riegel, Special Agent Bradley Hall.
Special Agent Riegel
In 2018, the FBI took down a ring of spies working for China's Ministry of State Security, one of the most mysterious intelligence agencies in the world.
Narrator (Sixth Bureau / Burden of Guilt)
The Sixth Bureau podcast is a story of the inner workings of the MSS and how one man's ambition and mistakes opened its vault of secrets.
Special Agent Riegel
Listen to the 6th Bureau on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Amanda Knox
I'm Amanda Knox and in the new podcast, the Case of Lucy Letby, we unpack the story of an unimaginable tragedy that gripped the UK in 2023. But what if we didn't get the whole story?
Keely Watson
Evidence has been made to fit.
Eddie Judge
The moment you look at the whole
Edwin Arroyave
picture, the case collapses.
Amanda Knox
What if the truth was disguised by a story we ch chose to believe?
Keely Watson
Oh, my God. I think she might be innocent.
Amanda Knox
Listen to Doubt the Case of Lucy Letby on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Keely Watson
This is the Eds with Eddie Judge and Edwin Arroyave.
Eddie Judge
Welcome Back to the Eds. Our interview with Keely Watson, the fiance of Beau St. John from Real Housewives of Beverly Hills continues. Did you know who she was? Like, she was on the TV show when you met her through text, or did you find that out afterwards?
Keely Watson
So here's the thing. When she. When we met, she was not on the Real Housewives yet. I met three months prior to her being approached to be on the show. Okay, so that's a great thing, because you know how these comments are. Oh, girl, you know, be giving his past. He's only with you because of, you
Eddie Judge
know, he wants to die again.
Keely Watson
I'm like, that is absolutely false. Right. So thankfully, we met before she was actually asked to be on the show. So our dating has been really in the public eye from. From pretty much the start. Because about three months prior to her being asked to be on the show, going through the entire process, right. And being selected, we had some serious talks about what that could mean and what that would look like. And so that being the case, I'll go back to just, you know, you know, how we met. Our first date. So we Talked for about three, three weeks via text. You know, we used to FaceTime each other, send video messages. And then finally it got to the point where I knew that if we didn't go to dinner that day or that that same week, then we all. We both be in the friend zone forever. And so finally I decided to drive up. It was raining because, you know, Boz. But she's extremely busy. I'm extremely busy. I'm in San Diego, she's in Los Angeles.
Wilmer Valderrama
Right?
Eddie Judge
Yeah.
Keely Watson
And so that's already going to be a challenge in itself. And we continue to have to push dates, push attempts to try and meet up. And I knew it got to that point where, okay, we can only be pen pals or talking buddies for so long before it would just dwindle, dwindle down, basically. So I drove up in the rain to meet her. Two and a half hours. I mean, yeah, set up a restaurant at the Ritz Carlton. We met at the Ritz Carlton Marina Del Rey. And the reason I did that was because I didn't want her to have to run across the parking lot in some rain. I didn't want to have to get out in the rain. So I figured every hotel has valet parking and it's usually covered and nice restaurant within it. So I chose that. And then from there, you know, we just continued talking, you guys, and we hit it off really well, did a second date and then third date, flew to Ghana. And that was our third date in Ghana. Africa. Ghana.
Edwin Arroyave
Wow.
Keely Watson
Right.
Eddie Judge
Something about that. Yeah. It was like, hey, let's go on a third date. And she says, oh, I'm going to Ghana. And then you said, I'm coming with you, Right?
Keely Watson
Yeah, you know, exactly. And, you know, there are some hesitations because me being a big traveler, I'm a very big traveler. So I've traveled solo, been. I think I hit country 51.
Eddie Judge
Nice. Wow.
Keely Watson
And, I mean, these are exotic places, so I have no. No reservation about traveling. Traveling solo and relationship. So I just figured, like, hey, if it doesn't work out, I'm in Ghana. Yeah. Off a place I didn't see. But the big thing was I was asking. I said, wow, you don't mind if I meet your daughter or meet your friends? You know, I mean, that's pretty big family there. And she wanted me to come.
Eddie Judge
When did you feel the chemistry? I mean, obviously, just looking through a computer or Instagram is. There's no chemistry, but there's attraction. And obviously, speaking to somebody when you. When you guys speak the same language and talk to and enjoy the same things, that's. That helps as well. But when you're next to a person and you exchange energy, that's when the chemistry happens. When did that happen for you?
Keely Watson
I would say after the first date.
Eddie Judge
Yeah.
Keely Watson
Yeah, after the first date. But I didn't know that I wanted to marry her until maybe about month eight, nine, that I thought that, like, okay, you know, this could go on further with this. I think it was when I. I remember there was a point I. She's. She's got a big heart, and she's so considerate of others.
Eddie Judge
Right.
Keely Watson
And so it was when I realized her love extends beyond me. You know, my mother, my siblings. You know, she'd reach out, send them nice messages. And I remember she was sitting on a plane on her way to New York for. I forgot what it was, but business. She's always got things to do and appearances to make.
Eddie Judge
And
Keely Watson
before the plane took off, she said, I only have enough time. I barely have enough time so. To order flowers for your mother? So she was sitting on her flight, getting ready to take off, and she wanted to send my mom a beautiful bouquet of flowers. And she sent this beautiful bouquet of flowers to my mom's address as she was sitting on the plane before takeoff. She really felt like it was important. I'm like, wow, you know, that's the kind of woman I'm dating. And so I love it.
Narrator (Sixth Bureau / Burden of Guilt)
Wow.
Keely Watson
And I finally found my match, because. But, you know, we're essentially guardians or Protectors of each other's hearts.
Eddie Judge
Yeah.
Keely Watson
And we trust one another with, you know, some very intimate things.
Eddie Judge
Yeah.
Narrator (Sixth Bureau / Burden of Guilt)
Yeah.
Keely Watson
Some insecurities.
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Amanda Knox
In 2023, a story gripped the UK, evoking horror and disbelief.
Eddie Judge
The nurse who should have been in
Keely Watson
charge of caring for tiny babies is now the most prolific child killer in modern British history.
Amanda Knox
Everyone thought they knew how it ended. A verdict, A villain. A nurse named Lucy Letby.
Keely Watson
Lucy Letby has been found guilty.
Amanda Knox
But what if we didn't get the whole story?
Edwin Arroyave
The moment you look at the whole picture, the case collapses.
Amanda Knox
I'm Amanda Knox, and in the new podcast the Case of Lucy Letby, we follow the evidence and hear from the people that lived it to ask what really happened when the world decided who Lucy Letby was.
Keely Watson
No voicing of any skepticism or doubt. It'll cause so much harm at every single level of the British establishment of this is wrong.
Amanda Knox
Listen to Doubt the Case of Lucy Letby on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Special Agent Riegel
China's Ministry of State Security is one of the most mysterious and powerful spy agencies in the world. But in 2017, the FBI got inside.
Eddie Judge
This is Special Agent Riegel, Special Agent Bradley Hall.
Narrator (Sixth Bureau / Burden of Guilt)
This MSS officer has no idea the US Government is onto him. But the FBI has his Chats, texts, emails, even his personal diary. Hear how they got it on the Sixth Bureau podcast?
Special Agent Riegel
I now have several terabytes of an
Keely Watson
MSS officer, no doubt, no question of
Special Agent Riegel
his life, and that's a unicorn.
Keely Watson
No one had ever seen anything like that. It was unbelievable.
Special Agent Riegel
This is a story of the inner workings of the MSS and how one man's ambition and mistakes opened its vault of secrets.
Narrator (Sixth Bureau / Burden of Guilt)
Listen to the 6th Bureau on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Nancy Glass
I'm Nancy Glass, host of the Burden of Guilt season two podcast. This is a story about a horrendous lie that destroyed two families. Late one night, Bobby Gumprite became the victim of a random crime.
Keely Watson
He pulls the gun, tells me to lie down on the ground.
Nancy Glass
He identified Jermaine Hudson as the perpetrator. Jermaine was sentenced to 99 years.
Keely Watson
I'm like, lord, this can't be real. I thought it was a mistaken identity.
Narrator (Sixth Bureau / Burden of Guilt)
The best lie is partial truth.
Nancy Glass
For 22 years, only two people knew the truth until a confession changed everything.
Narrator (Sixth Bureau / Burden of Guilt)
I was a monster.
Nancy Glass
Listen to Burden of guilt season two on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Eddie Judge
I think this is a good time to go back a few steps and. And ask, you know, you didn't mention it, but were you married before? What was your dating like life before you met her? Because I. I think it takes a long time to really find the right one.
Keely Watson
Right? Right. And. And I'm gonna say this. The only way to find the right one is to get out there and find the right one. Right? Yeah, you've heard the cliche statement, hey, I'm just gonna wait on God. Send me my queen, send me my king if it's a woman. Right? And so I'm like, you know what? Why not meet God halfway? You know, I'm gonna get out there. You got to be active.
Eddie Judge
You do. Yeah.
Keely Watson
You gotta be active. Right. And so it's not that I never dated anyone that didn't have the qualities to be a wife, but it just didn't feel like it. You know, it was just always something that kept me from moving forward, and so I began to recognize that along the way. And, you know, although I am 50 now, you know, recently engaged, got engaged back in August to my now fiance, and she just had all of the qualities. Yeah, right. And so my dating life was. You know, I've had about eight or nine serious girlfriends. You know, I realized I was a relationship guy, you know, I had a couple two year relationships. Four and a half year relationships. No year. Couple years here and there, but they just weren't that one. Right.
Eddie Judge
And
Keely Watson
yeah, my goal was to get it right the first time around. So that's divorce.
Eddie Judge
That's the reason you didn't have children.
Narrator (Sixth Bureau / Burden of Guilt)
Right.
Keely Watson
And that's the reason I did not have children. Exactly. It's because I did want that partnership. And then earlier in life too, again, not saying there were any close calls.
Eddie Judge
Yeah.
Keely Watson
But I wanted to be able to provide a sense of security. I didn't want to have to be a struggling dad. And not saying that, you know, there's never a right or wrong time, but for myself, I knew I wanted to be able to provide a sense of security.
Eddie Judge
Yeah.
Keely Watson
For my kid and be able to be a provider and as in, you know, a young guy coming up. It's challenging.
Eddie Judge
Yeah.
Wilmer Valderrama
Right.
Keely Watson
Because we're trying to get our footing in our careers and just in life in general with so much, I would say, less mature. I'm not going to say they're not more mature younger guys, but we're less mature at that age. And it's going to help me be a better dad. Now you see, being this at my age and we're going through the process and it's, it's a, it's, it's a challenge, you know, Ed. So just.
Edwin Arroyave
Yeah, no, it's, it's a very, I think it's very humble of you and it just again, shows your, your, the strength of character on your side.
Eddie Judge
Right.
Edwin Arroyave
Because you could easily be like mo. Like a lot of dads out there that are just having kids left and right. Know, especially with, with your athletic background, you, you could be like, oh, this is my, my superstar, you know, kind of live through them and stuff. So I think it's shows a lot of strength and character on your part to just make sure that you save yourself for the right time, you know?
Keely Watson
Yeah, I did, I did. And you know, I remember having a conversation with my mom one day. She was like, you know, Keely, if you're going to have kids, I don't know what you're going to do because all your help is getting too old. And so. Yeah. So anyway, you guys, you know, I got a lot of flack for being older, you know, dating and Bozeman did as well for being older. Me being older, dating, not having been married, not having had any kids on the show. I mean, the comments would tear her up.
Narrator (Sixth Bureau / Burden of Guilt)
Oh my.
Keely Watson
Yeah, well, that's that we're Catching so much heat over that.
Eddie Judge
That's a great lead in, into your experience. I really want to know about your. Your initial experience on the show because, I mean, we can talk about all the stupid shit that happens on Instagram and just media in general, and there's a valuable lesson that teaches us, you know, being public figures, how to, how to manage that. And it's not an easy journey, but we'll get to that. I want what. Where your head was at. You and Bose, where your heads were at. When you were walking into this reality TV show, were you familiar with not just the franchise, but particularly the Beverly Hills Housewives show?
Keely Watson
So, of course, you know, never watched it. But you. You always hear of the different franchises, right? Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, O.C. salt Lake City. So, you know, just growing up, you hear about all of these things, and probably like most men, you really didn't tune in to the shows.
Eddie Judge
Right.
Keely Watson
You just knew of them. You knew about the chaos, you knew about the. Just the rambunctiousness of everything and just the arguments, the fights, everything. Right. And so never really hit home for me. You know, it wasn't necessarily my thing.
Eddie Judge
What about the women, the women that you were dating, Were there any of them before Bose? Were they. They. Were they watching the shows, the franchises?
Keely Watson
If they were, I probably wasn't sitting on the couch, you know, really tuned in with them.
Eddie Judge
Yeah.
Keely Watson
Oh, I can't say I saw a whole lot of it. I mean, let me think, what were some of the bigger. The more the. I would say, well, there are not too many shows bigger than Housewives, but I would say, like the MTV type shows back in the day.
Eddie Judge
Right.
Keely Watson
What was it? Real House, was it. Or it was Jersey Shore, Something like, you know, the Jersey Shores, you know, or maybe like the Survivors.
Eddie Judge
Okay, right.
Keely Watson
But, you know, we definitely have some good conversations prior to the show when she got approached and she asked me, like, would I be interested in coming on with her? Because, you know, as a cast member, they want the women to either have been married, currently married, or dating.
Eddie Judge
Yeah, Right, right.
Keely Watson
And so with that being the case, this was a new relationship. And the difference between Bozma and a lot of her other castmates is she had a big brand already and there was a very niche following. Right. And so my concern was getting caught up in all the mess, Right. Damaging her brand. But we talked and I said, you know what? We're just going to come on as ourselves. We're going to be authentic. We're not going to try and push Narratives. We're not going to try and create something to create called a storyline. Right. And so the people who show up on TV are the people we really are really in real life. So we're having these conversations for the first time in real life, and you're kind of like, dang, you look left, you look right. It's going to look like you're disinterested. Right. Or they might take that look and apply it to some other comment, you know, because it's all. I mean, editing can either be a best friend or your worst enemy.
Eddie Judge
Yeah, right. Yeah.
Keely Watson
So we know that.
Narrator (Sixth Bureau / Burden of Guilt)
And.
Eddie Judge
And I think that's.
Keely Watson
That's their magic conversations. We had some real good conversations. And I'll tell you what the producers told her. Go ahead. What were you going to say?
Eddie Judge
Well, I was just going to say that's, I think one of the magic wands that Bravo has. They're able to create a show out of just us being ourselves. Right. They. They're really skilled at that. And I agree with you. They could edit you really well or they could edit you really bad. But. But, yeah, go ahead. I was. I'm sorry I cut you off.
Keely Watson
Yeah, no, no, no.
Narrator (Sixth Bureau / Burden of Guilt)
No worries.
Keely Watson
And so what the producer said, they were like, look, if you're going to come onto the show, of course, we really want you either dating somebody or in the process of dating or you're gonna just be celibate. You know, you're not into dating.
Eddie Judge
Right.
Keely Watson
And so I knew for a fact, I said, okay. Although I was a little bit tentative on, you know, with going on the show. I know, I knew as a guy, if I let my woman who I'm dating go out with somebody else, you know, just random dates that don't mean anything, then clearly it would. They would take it as, I'm not interested. Right. Or he's not that serious about his woman. Right. Because no man will let another guy go out with his woman that they're dating at the time. Right.
Eddie Judge
Yeah.
Keely Watson
So that was the case. And I said, absolutely not. So I said, hey, I'll go on. I'll do it.
Eddie Judge
Interesting.
Keely Watson
That was essentially my. My entrance onto the show. And you learn real quick. It's like baptism by fire. I mean, the conversations, the comments. Yeah, we learned real quick.
Eddie Judge
Yeah.
Edwin Arroyave
So tell us, Kelly, tell us about your first scene, having to meet everyone. Were you nervous? How did you do and what did you think?
Keely Watson
Right. So I think I was blessed with the opportunity. Well, in which. Okay, so I think I was lucky in that.
Eddie Judge
Okay.
Keely Watson
There's Never a scene where I had to be around all of the ladies at once.
Eddie Judge
That is lucky.
Keely Watson
Ladies I met in person. You know, the only housewives I met in person were Doritos, Erica and I think maybe Kathy first time around, you know, So I. I didn't meet Sutton until, I think, second season. Never got a chance to meet Garcelle. Never got a chance to. I did meet Jennifer, I think, once, but never had to be around them all at once. That happened second season.
Eddie Judge
Wow.
Narrator (Sixth Bureau / Burden of Guilt)
Okay.
Keely Watson
At Cal's big party. You know, that was the. One of the opening, I think, opening episodes season. I think 15. I think we're in 15. Yeah. Season 15.
Edwin Arroyave
Were the ladies welcoming?
Keely Watson
Very welcoming. I've never had a problem with any of the ladies, you know.
Eddie Judge
Yeah.
Keely Watson
They're all super cool. They're very warm, they're very nice towards me. And I learned to. I'm not going to get into the message.
Narrator (Sixth Bureau / Burden of Guilt)
Right.
Eddie Judge
It's just a matter of time.
Keely Watson
Ladies have their conversations. I'm gonna let the ladies have their conversation.
Edwin Arroyave
Yeah.
Keely Watson
And I'm not going to interject. I'm not going to try and problem solve or anything, you know. Now if my lady asks me something, you know, I'll give short, quick answer, but that's it. I'm not going to set myself up to, man, have missiles shot at me.
Edwin Arroyave
Smart man.
Wilmer Valderrama
Have you.
Edwin Arroyave
Did you get a chance to meet Mauricio at all? I think he's the only husband left.
Eddie Judge
Right. That shows up here and he's still on the show.
Keely Watson
He, he, he, he makes his, his appearances.
Eddie Judge
Okay.
Keely Watson
From time to time. So. Yes, he was in a couple of the beginning episodes. And come to find out, I think he just. I think. Well, you know, I don't know if it's a later episode or what, but he just showed up in Salt Lake City. No, I'm sorry, not Salt Lake City. He was at a party in Aspen at some event and there were other housewives there.
Eddie Judge
Oh, yeah, they were filming that. Yeah, right. My wife told me.
Keely Watson
I think I saw that. But I think the biggest or the hardest thing to navigate was when Bo said that we're having kid conversations and he hasn't even said he loves me yet.
Eddie Judge
Oh. Oh, wow.
Keely Watson
We haven't even said I love you. And you got some heat for that. I got so much heat from there.
Eddie Judge
Oh, man.
Keely Watson
And she did, too. I mean, so we learned real quick. I mean, like, how are you going to be having these conversations? I mean, these are all the comments. How are you going to have these kind of conversations about kids. And you guys haven't even said I love you yet. Like, girl, he's not serious about. You see how he looked away? You guys brought that up. And so I was, you know, I was biting my tongue and trying to figure out ways to defend myself and.
Eddie Judge
Oh, man.
Keely Watson
Is to just be true to who you are. Right. And to execute on your plan.
Narrator (Sixth Bureau / Burden of Guilt)
Yeah.
Keely Watson
I knew I eventually prove everybody wrong. And the way you prove people wrong is in your actions.
Eddie Judge
Yeah.
Keely Watson
Right. And so these are truthful actions. You know, my plan was to marry, and I knew I had eventually squashed that. But I will tell you what. In one of my early episodes of season two, I definitely made sure, like, it was a pronounced I love you. So we can squash that. But no, that was something that was ongoing that we were battling all season, all our first season, and maybe 50, not having kids.
Eddie Judge
He's not serious. Yeah.
Keely Watson
And, you know, you gotta think it might get under your woman's skin from time to time. And some stuff like your skin sometimes them saying she's stupid for wanting to have a kid at this age. Why'd you do that for him? Yeah, you know, I'm really doing that for him. Or are you doing it for yourself? So we had all those types of conversations, you know, Eddie and Edwin, and. Yeah, they're tough. You know, they're tough. We had to ask. Ask them. Real life. I mean, we were really having for real conversations for the first time.
Eddie Judge
Yeah, I. I gotta give you a lot of credit for that, because going into a TV show, I've seen more than not people come onto the show and just do a little song and dance and look at me, look at me. And create characters and storylines that are just not who they are. They try to act for the camera. And I remember my experience. It had to be very authentic. I don't know what I'm getting myself into, but I'm in this for my relationship with this woman. You know, this is authentic, and this is why I'm doing it. And it really turned out great. They made me look like the knight in shining armor and, you know, the savior. And it was great. It wasn't until a year or two that I learned what level of control they have and how I have to be really careful with what I say and what I do. But it was a fascinating experience to see how you could see who's being authentic. And I think that really shows on the camera and the viewers and who's trying to be, you know, a clown on tv, a character.
Keely Watson
Right. A clown. Right, right.
Eddie Judge
Did you get a chance to meet any of the men? Were there any other men on this?
Keely Watson
Yeah, I got a chance to. Oh, so sorry. Yeah, I didn't answer that question. So by the time I came, I didn't have a single other guy that I had met on the show. You know, I think when I went to Bravo Con was when I first started meeting some of the other men in other franchises, like met John, met Joey, probably Seth, some of the other guys. And it was. It was a lot of fun. Yeah, no, it was a lot of fun.
Eddie Judge
I'm bummed we didn't get to meet. I'm really bummed we didn't get to meet. I mean, but it's. There's so many people there and there's so much going on.
Keely Watson
Right.
Wilmer Valderrama
Hi, this is Wilmer Valderrama from those Amigos. Nissan wanted to test the capabilities of the new Pathfinder, but not in a lab, not on paper. So they went looking for the most creative minds they could find and asked three kids to imagine the ultimate adventure. Then a Hollywood director and his stunt team brought that drawing to life, turning imagination into a real, measurable test of the power of Nissan. Every challenge is 100% real. No tricks, no shortcuts, just pure V6 engine power. That's quality, reliability and durability. And it's why JD Power ranks Nissan number one in new vehicle quality among mainstream brands. Discover how the new Nissan Pathfinder turns the unthinkable into the unforgettable. For J.D. power 2025 U.S. initial Quality Study Award information. Visit J.D. power.com Awards Awards based on 2025 model year. Newer models may be shown.
Special Agent Riegel
China's Ministry of State Security is one of the most mysterious and powerful spy agencies in the world. But in 2017, the FBI got inside.
Keely Watson
This is Special Agent Regal.
Eddie Judge
Special Agent Bradley Hall.
Narrator (Sixth Bureau / Burden of Guilt)
This MSS officer has no idea the US Government is onto him. But the FBI has his chats, texts, emails, even his personal diary. Hear how they got it on the Sixth Bureau podcast.
Special Agent Riegel
I now have several terabytes of an MSS officer.
Keely Watson
No doubt, no question of his life. And that's a unicorn. No one had ever seen anything like that. It was unbelievable.
Special Agent Riegel
This is a story of the inner workings of the MSS and how one man's ambition and mistakes opened its vault of secrets.
Narrator (Sixth Bureau / Burden of Guilt)
Listen to the 6th Bureau on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Amanda Knox
In 2023, a story gripped the UK, evoking horror and disbelief.
Eddie Judge
The nurse who should have been in charge of caring for tiny babies.
Keely Watson
Is now the most prolific child killer in modern British history.
Amanda Knox
Everyone thought they knew how it ended. A verdict. A villain, a nurse named Lucy Letby.
Keely Watson
Lucy Letby has been found guilty.
Amanda Knox
But what if we didn't get the whole story?
Edwin Arroyave
The moment you look at the whole picture, the case collapses.
Amanda Knox
I'm Amanda Knox, and in the new podcast the Case of Lucy Letby, we follow the evidence and hear from the people that lived it. To ask what really happened when the world decided who Lucy Letby was.
Keely Watson
No voicing of any skepticism or doubt. It'll cause so much harm at every single level of the British establishment of this is wrong.
Amanda Knox
Listen to Doubt the Case of Lucy Letby on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Nancy Glass
I'm Nancy Glass, host of the Burden of Guilt season two podcast. This is a story about a horrendous lie that destroyed two families. Late one night, Bobby Gumprite became the victim of a random crime.
Keely Watson
He pulls the gun, tells me to lie down on the ground.
Nancy Glass
He identified Jermaine Hudson as the perpetrator. Jermaine was sentenced to 99 years.
Keely Watson
I'm like, lord, this can't be real. I thought it was a mistaken identity.
Narrator (Sixth Bureau / Burden of Guilt)
The best lie is partial truth.
Nancy Glass
For 22 years, only two people knew the truth until a confession changed everything.
Narrator (Sixth Bureau / Burden of Guilt)
I was a monster.
Nancy Glass
Listen to Burden of guilt season two on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Keely Watson
Now.
Edwin Arroyave
How's your in vitro journey going? You know, Teddy and I went through that, and it was quite the journey for us. How's it going for you?
Keely Watson
So I'll just say this. We're still going through the in vitro process right now. Okay. I think on one of our, our next episodes, the results will be in and it's going to be released to the world at that point.
Special Agent Riegel
Okay.
Keely Watson
Okay. So that's coming up in the next episode or in the next one to two episodes, realistically. But just put it this way, we're still going through it, we're still hopeful.
Wilmer Valderrama
Okay.
Keely Watson
And we're doing what we need to do to try and show up the best for our fertility clinic. And we're going to the Nevada Fertility Clinic. We're working with Dr. Cindy Duke. She's very well known for the in vitro process. And, you know, I just thought it was going to be a one and done thing. Say that I thought it was going to be a one and done thing.
Eddie Judge
Yeah.
Keely Watson
But I, I, we Now have a story where it's like, wow. It takes multiple rounds. And it's not.
Wilmer Valderrama
Oh, yeah.
Edwin Arroyave
It's not cheap. I think we went through three rounds.
Eddie Judge
Wow.
Edwin Arroyave
And just what. You know, the emotional roller coaster, especially for the women, it's definitely tough. And. And we finally got it right on the third. On the third round.
Keely Watson
So when you guys went, fantastic, man, congratulations on that. Yeah, I was gonna. Did you show up with your wife, you know, to her appointments when you guys were going? Did you have.
Wilmer Valderrama
Yes.
Keely Watson
Availability.
Edwin Arroyave
I did show up. I'll tell you, my biggest struggle with it was just, you know, I grew up very faith based, so there was a part of me that felt like I was playing. Trying to play God with it and really was. Because inside I really wanted a boy. And that's one of the major. What's one of the big reasons I wanted to be true? Because I just. I felt like I was just going to have nothing but women. Which, by the way, was. I was actually right about that because when we were going through the in vitro process, it was like 90% female to males. So she'd have 14 eggs and, you know, 12 of them. 12 of them would be females and two would be boys. And then we put the two boys in one. Make it finally on the third one. Finally, she had two miscarriage. Miscarriages. And on the third one, I said, hey, if. If it doesn't work, it's not worth it. It's fine. Let's just end it there and then. And then it worked.
Eddie Judge
So.
Edwin Arroyave
But that was my biggest struggle. And then even when Cruz was born, he didn't breathe for the first. I mean, I don't know, 20 seconds, 30 seconds. So he was in the ICU for, I want to say, three days. So even then I felt like, oh, wow, am I getting punished for this or. Yeah, you know, it's. As soon as he was born, you just had, like, 20 doctors come in and take them, and then they. They created a circle around them so we couldn't see what was going on. We couldn't hear any cries. We couldn't hear anything. And it was probably one of the scariest. Was the scariest moment in my life for sure. I just remember being in the corner praying. Teddy was crying. It was quite the scene.
Narrator (Sixth Bureau / Burden of Guilt)
And.
Edwin Arroyave
But now he's as healthy as can
Narrator (Sixth Bureau / Burden of Guilt)
be and
Edwin Arroyave
just glad to have them with me.
Keely Watson
It's just a blessing in your life now. It's just a blessing.
Narrator (Sixth Bureau / Burden of Guilt)
Yeah.
Edwin Arroyave
It was a journey. Yeah.
Eddie Judge
Edwin, is Dove also ivf?
Edwin Arroyave
No, that was her Just our first natural.
Eddie Judge
Okay.
Edwin Arroyave
First natural.
Eddie Judge
Because the.
Edwin Arroyave
The slate was not in B trouble right below it. Forget what the term is. And that's what. Slate. That's how slate was conceived.
Eddie Judge
Okay.
Keely Watson
Okay. Now, was Teddy in her 40s or was she in her 30s at that time?
Edwin Arroyave
She was in her 30s. However, when we had Dove, she was.
Keely Watson
I mean, for the IVF, she was
Edwin Arroyave
in her late, late 30s, I would say.
Eddie Judge
Okay.
Edwin Arroyave
So, yeah, cruise. Yeah. Probably late 30.
Keely Watson
Imagine doing that. Yes.
Eddie Judge
Yeah. You know, I. I really wanted to ask you that question. Like, from my other. What I understand growing up is, you know, women kind of. They. They're past their prime at pushing 40, and having a kid actually becomes very risky. And here you guys are. Is Bozeman in her 50s as well?
Keely Watson
No, she's still in her 40s.
Eddie Judge
Okay.
Keely Watson
Matter of fact, we just got back from celebrating her 49th birthday. Had. Okay, we did it, Virginia. It's beautiful. Beautiful birthday. But we started the process, I think, when she was 47, 48, kind of on that cusp.
Eddie Judge
Okay.
Keely Watson
47 to 48, I think. And, you know, we knew it was going to be extremely high risk. And she's. I mean, and it's no secret to, you know, the world or people out there, her two pregnancy, two pregnancies that she has had. Have been very. What. What's the word? They have been complicated. Very complicated.
Eddie Judge
Okay.
Special Agent Riegel
Yeah.
Keely Watson
So, you know, with that being the case, we know what we're up against.
Eddie Judge
Yeah.
Keely Watson
But we have faith. And speaking to our in vitro doctor, she believes she's healthy enough, and she's still showing signs that, hey, she's good to go. But there's still going to be element of creating the embryo, of course, and then going full term. Right. So, you know, it's got to be miracles every step of the way, basically.
Eddie Judge
Yeah.
Narrator (Sixth Bureau / Burden of Guilt)
Yeah.
Eddie Judge
But it's not impossible.
Keely Watson
Not impossible. Right. Right now, we wish. I'm sorry, Eddie, if we have time, I did want to ask you why no kids? I'm sure you've gotten that as well at 52.
Eddie Judge
I have, yeah. Very similar to you. I've had many relationships. Interestingly enough, a lot of my relationships, the gal had a kid or two. One of my first relationships when I was 21, I think. Just trying to figure out how to get my head out of my ass, you know, I was in a relationship with an older woman who had two children, and she taught me a lot about the family unit and all that, because I didn't grow up with the family unit experience. And she kind of opened up my eyes to the possibility of potentially having a kid. Not just because I was in love with her, but just, like, you know, I could provide. I could really maybe, you know, make this work. But what stopped me ultimately, is I wasn't in my career. I wasn't even done with college, and it just didn't make any sense. And it ultimately ended up ending our relationship. But beyond that, I've always had girlfriends who've had kids in life. I had maybe two that didn't. And that's how I kind of think to myself, like, maybe that prepped me for my. My relationship today, which I can't imagine being without it. But for me, it's always been, I don't want to bring a child into this life that. When I can't afford to even take care of myself. Right. And that doesn't stop a lot of people. And I have a younger brother. I think he's almost 11, 12 years younger than me, and he's got four kids, and he's made it work. He's not making a ton of money, but he's making money and he's doing well. With four kids, I probably could have had it. I probably could have done it when I was younger, but I was so focused on my business and making money and being successful that it wasn't a big priority. And even when I met Tamara, she was early 40s, we actually had a scene, I guess, or an episode where we were talking about maybe having a kid, because she was like, hey, if you're gonna have a kid, we gotta do it now. It's like, but we just met. I can't. I can't accelerate this. I can't skip, go and do all that. So we ended up doing a scene where they had robot babies. And they were. They were like, very much like real babies. They cried on point, and you have to feed them, and they, you know, they respond to it. It was like the early AI of computers. And. And we laugh about this too, because after day three, you know, I was trying to manage it, but I'm thinking, hell, no, I don't want to do this.
Keely Watson
Yeah.
Eddie Judge
And she had already had three kids, and it was like one or two in the morning. And this robot baby, which we named Astro, it was crying. It wouldn't shut up. And she took the baby, went downstairs, stuffed it under her pillow, and came back to bed. And that was my sign. Yeah, we're not having kids.
Keely Watson
That was it.
Wilmer Valderrama
Yeah.
Keely Watson
Like. Like, I've always. There's no right or wrong Time, right?
Wilmer Valderrama
Yeah.
Keely Watson
Against anybody who has kids, chooses to have them later in life or when they have them. But, yeah, like, with anything, the right time is when it's the right time for you.
Eddie Judge
Yes.
Keely Watson
For me, it was the right time to get married. It was the right time to want to have a family, and then the right time for all of these other opportunities to start coming my way, you know. So I think that's, you know, one of my key takeaways from all of this and what I've always had to own.
Eddie Judge
Yeah. I have a really, really close friend that lives in Florida, and we've been friends forever. And he's also, you know, very entrepreneur. He's done very well in business. He's in the auto sales business. Long story short, he built a couple of dealerships, sold them to, you know, made a bunch of money, and then got bored and went back into it. But in the interim, he had a child. And he had a child, I think, at mid-40s or late-40s. And he said it was the most amazing thing he's ever done, actually. Close to your age. More like close to 50. And he made a life decision that. Because in the auto business, you're always working. It's a tough industry. He decided to just sell everything and live on whatever he made. He made a lot of money. Made a lot of money. Very good decisions, investments, decisions. And now he's spending 99% of his time with this kid. And he's. I think he's 13 now, and he's just enjoying life and spending, you know, quality time with him and just seeing him grow and developing him. And I think that's the important part when it comes to raising kids is having that time available to connect and be a part of that child's life as much as time as possible as you can. Because there's going to be a time where they're going to be gone and you're not going to have the time to, you know, influence them or share, you know, your values and goals and, you know, motivations. And, you know, there's. There's so much to being a part of a child's life than just popping a kid out and saying, hey, I got 17 kids. You know, that's. That's not success, right?
Keely Watson
No, no.
Edwin Arroyave
But you know what?
Keely Watson
To some guys, it could be.
Edwin Arroyave
Yeah, yeah.
Keely Watson
You can't discount that, Right?
Narrator (Sixth Bureau / Burden of Guilt)
Yeah.
Eddie Judge
Elon Musk, right?
Keely Watson
Yeah, that's.
Special Agent Riegel
That's.
Keely Watson
That's where I'm at, too.
Narrator (Sixth Bureau / Burden of Guilt)
Yeah.
Keely Watson
Your sentiment.
Edwin Arroyave
Yeah, no, it's. It's they bring great balance. So I'm excited for you, Keely, and wishing you the best with this journey. I can't wait to hear the news and definitely be watching, you know.
Keely Watson
Okay.
Edwin Arroyave
Okay.
Keely Watson
It's been fun, you guys. I mean, you know, I feel like, you know, we, you guys hopefully got a chance to get to know me. I've gotten a chance.
Eddie Judge
Yes. Yeah. I mean, that's the goal with our podcast is to really just to get to know the real person, the real Keely. Because it's hard as you experience to be. I mean you can be yourself all day long on tv. But yeah, I always say I'm. I'm boring for tv. That's why you don't want to see me on tv. I'm drama zero. I'm negative drama. Yeah.
Keely Watson
By the way, are you goal. Right? That, that is at least the goal.
Eddie Judge
Right? It's the goal. But they always find a way.
Keely Watson
Yeah. Yeah.
Edwin Arroyave
One last question for you. Are you gonna film the wedding on the show or do you know yet?
Keely Watson
We sure are. So awesome. We sure are. So August 21st we're gonna do the Ghana wedding. And then November 21st we're going to do the Los Angeles wedding. Okay. You are gonna try.
Edwin Arroyave
Try.
Keely Watson
Well, you know, production. But yeah. Yes. The plan is to capture both weddings.
Narrator (Sixth Bureau / Burden of Guilt)
Wow.
Keely Watson
I know.
Eddie Judge
All right.
Edwin Arroyave
I'll definitely be watching.
Narrator (Sixth Bureau / Burden of Guilt)
Yeah.
Keely Watson
And that's scary in its own. Just because, you know, it's, it's got to be a production and.
Eddie Judge
Yeah. Yeah.
Keely Watson
Gonna have 500 people at the LA wedding. That's. That's.
Eddie Judge
Oh my God.
Keely Watson
I know. And it's going to be at least 1500 at the Ghanaian wedding. Crazy.
Edwin Arroyave
1500.
Narrator (Sixth Bureau / Burden of Guilt)
Wow.
Keely Watson
1500. Yes. Because the African weddings are a lot bigger, you know. Yeah. So based on families coming, not just hand picked people from the family.
Eddie Judge
Yeah.
Narrator (Sixth Bureau / Burden of Guilt)
Wow.
Eddie Judge
I. I'm definitely gonna watch that. Yeah, I'm very, I'm very excited about that and I'm very excited for you.
Keely Watson
Same. We've got some. I mean we've got a lot happening this year between our fertility journey, our house shopping, because, you know, I live in San Diego, she lives in Los Angeles. So we're getting ready. We've started that process.
Eddie Judge
Awesome.
Keely Watson
And two weddings and the graduation. So it's just so much, you know, a lot of big things on, on the list. And then right after that we celebrate her 50th birthday and I'm like, damn, am I gonna have any money?
Eddie Judge
Thanks. Well, I, I gotta tell you something, Kelly. It just every. There's so much that we have in common. And even this for yourself. When Tamara and I got married, we got married, opened the business, and moved in together the same year. So I think it's the perfect combination to just kind of throw you in the deep end to see if you can swim or sink.
Edwin Arroyave
Right.
Keely Watson
I'm telling you. You know, and I'm a swimmer, so. Yeah. I'm not trying to sink.
Eddie Judge
Yeah. And what I'm really trying to say is, you know, I. Both my wife and I made it through, you know, the most challenging year together with so much change that it just brought us closer together. So I. I'm wishing the same thing for you and, you know, nothing but good health and success. And I. I'm. I'm actually excited to watch this. I. I don't watch the housewife show, so I'm definitely gonna watch this. This is cool.
Keely Watson
Yeah, same, same.
Edwin Arroyave
Okay. Come to Encino if you're doing some shopping.
Narrator (Sixth Bureau / Burden of Guilt)
House shopping.
Edwin Arroyave
Come check out Encino.
Keely Watson
I think I know. Yeah. Beautiful homes. Her daughter's in her junior year of high school, and so we're trying to find a place that's not too far away from her school so that it would be an easier commute for her.
Eddie Judge
Yeah, yeah, makes sense.
Keely Watson
That's the other thing where we're kind of stacked against. But look, I have no problem living in the Valley.
Edwin Arroyave
Exactly.
Keely Watson
Yeah. Not at all.
Eddie Judge
Well, it's been really great getting to know you, Keely.
Narrator (Sixth Bureau / Burden of Guilt)
Appreciate you.
Keely Watson
Insane.
Eddie Judge
Yeah, I appreciate you taking the time to. Come on. I know you're very busy, and we always enjoy, you know, getting to know the house husbands of the Real Housewives franchise.
Keely Watson
Okay. And. And here's one other quick fact. This is the first podcast I've done, so.
Eddie Judge
Oh.
Edwin Arroyave
Oh, damn, you did great.
Keely Watson
So being the first guy that you guys, I guess, her husband, you know, Beverly Hills podcast.
Edwin Arroyave
Well, you did great.
Special Agent Riegel
Yeah.
Eddie Judge
I can't wait to hear what our listeners have to say. We have. We have a good group of.
Keely Watson
Yeah, same, same, same. Thought your show was fantastic as well, you guys. I really appreciate what you're doing. Thank you for having me on. And, you know, I really enjoyed the conversation and hopefully, likewise. I get to connect with you guys in real life sometime. Either at the clinic. Out of the clinic somewhere.
Edwin Arroyave
Yeah, we will.
Keely Watson
Okay.
Eddie Judge
Yeah. All right. Definitely, definitely.
Special Agent Riegel
Okay.
Eddie Judge
Thank you, Keely. Have a good day.
Keely Watson
Bye. Now. This is an iHeart podcast.
Eddie Judge
Guaranteed Human.
Date: February 2, 2026
Hosts: Eddie Judge, Edwin Arroyave (guest hosting for Teddi and Tamra)
Guest: Keely Watson (fiancé of Boz St. John, RHOBH cast member)
This episode continues an in-depth conversation with Keely Watson, the fiancé of Boz St. John from The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Keely opens up about how his relationship with Boz began, navigating early days in the public eye, their journey through IVF and fertility challenges, and what it’s like to step into the Bravo universe as a “house husband.” The discussion is rich with insights into relationships, reality TV authenticity, and personal growth, offering listeners a candid, behind-the-scenes look at life beyond the Housewives cameras.
Initial Hesitation & Approach:
On-Camera Challenges:
Meeting the Housewives:
Navigating Drama:
Meeting the Husbands:
In Vitro Fertility Journey:
Challenges of Age:
Two Weddings in 2026:
Life Transitions & Future:
This conversation offers a rare, sincere glimpse into the real-life journeys that unfold behind the RHOBH glitz: from the hesitations and joys of going public, to the stress and hope of IVF, to facing social media’s wild narratives. Keely shines as a thoughtful, grounded partner, and listeners will walk away understanding just how much the "real" in "Real Housewives" can truly mean.