The Kiss Of Death (RHOP Recap)

Summary

Podcast Summary: Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge
Episode: The Kiss Of Death (RHOP Recap)
Release Date: March 4, 2025

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Introduction

In this episode of Two Ts In A Pod, hosts Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge delve deep into the latest happenings from the Real Housewives of Potomac (RHOP) reunion titled "The Kiss Of Death." Joined by guest Dolores Catania, the trio dissects the dramatic events surrounding Karen's recent legal troubles and the overall dynamics of the reunion episode.

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Karen's Legal Troubles and Court Statement

The episode opens with Teddi and Tamra addressing the storm surrounding Karen's court statement following her DUI incident.

Dolores Catania reflects on Karen's apology:

“It felt like I was gone forever. I don't know why. That trip, like, felt like forever.”
(02:58)

The hosts critique Karen's lack of accountability in her statement. Teddi points out,

“And it's all kind of very sad to me that it's just. She just kind of like, you know, oh, it was an accident.”
(06:52)

Dolores emphasizes the severity of Karen's actions, linking her decision to take the case to trial rather than accepting a plea deal:

“She was offered two plea deals, six months house arrest or 60 days in jail.”
(07:38)

Both hosts express disappointment over Karen's decision to proceed with the trial, suggesting her approach was more about image than justice.

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Reunion Dynamics and Reactions

The reunion episode showcased intense confrontations, especially between Karen and other housewives. Teddi recounts the heated interactions:

“She just kind of like, you know, oh, bless him. You know, I feel bad for him.”
(16:07)

Dolores criticizes the producers for their tough stance:

“They talk to each other like that in New Jersey, there would be a fist fight.”
(12:15)

The hosts discuss the emotional toll the reunion took on Karen, highlighting her unpreparedness for the harsh reality of the criminal facility.

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Impact on RHOP Without Karen

With Karen's impending jail time, Teddi and Tamra ponder the future of RHOP:

Teddi notes,

“A source tells People Giselle even told attendees at the city winery event she had last Wednesday that she would be open to film a visit with Karen in jail. Is that possible? That ain't happening, right?”
(11:58)

Dolores concurs, expressing skepticism about Karen's return:

“Not a chance in hell.”
(11:58)

The discussion shifts to potential new cast members, with both hosts expressing hope for the return of beloved personalities like Robyn and Jen Shaw:

“I think Jen Shaw is coming back because there's, she's, she's good with Meredith.”
(41:03)

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Fan Reactions and Predictions

Listeners' perspectives are shared, reflecting a mix of disappointment and anticipation for future seasons:

• Fan Thought: "Season was good, but reunion was great."
• Teddi adds,

“Why are these women so quick to believe a terrible man like T.J. over Stacy?”
(39:46)

Dolores supports this sentiment, highlighting the bias against Stacy:

“They don't like Stacy. So that's why.”
(39:51)

The hosts predict further drama as secrets unfold:

“I can't wait till the truth comes out. And, you know, the dirty laundry always comes out in the wash.”
(26:40)

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Personal Insights and Conclusions

Throughout the episode, Teddi and Tamra offer personal reflections on accountability and personal growth:

Dolores shares her experiences with accountability from her time working with prisoners:

“Most people go for that. Yeah, most smart people go for that.”
(07:27)

Teddi emphasizes the importance of owning one's mistakes:

“We all do things, but when you own it, it goes away.”
(33:28)

The hosts also discuss the emotional impact of Karen's actions on fellow housewives and the show's dynamic, urging for empathy while maintaining accountability.

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Conclusion

In "The Kiss Of Death" episode, Two Ts In A Pod provides a comprehensive and candid analysis of the RHOP reunion, focusing on Karen's legal issues and the ensuing drama. Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge, alongside Dolores Catania, offer insightful perspectives on accountability, personal responsibility, and the intricate dynamics of reality TV show cast members. As RHOP moves forward without Karen, the hosts anticipate significant shifts in the show's landscape, with potential returns of favorite cast members and new alliances forming.

For fans of RHOP and reality TV enthusiasts, this episode offers an engaging and thorough recap, enriched with expert commentary and heartfelt discussions.

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Notable Quotes:

• Dolores Catania on the reunion feeling endless:
  “It felt like I was gone forever. I don't know why. That trip, like, felt like forever.”
  (02:58)

• Teddi Mellencamp on Karen's lack of accountability:
  “She just kind of like, you know, oh, it was an accident.”
  (06:52)

• Dolores Catania on plea deals:
  “She was offered two plea deals, six months house arrest or 60 days in jail.”
  (07:38)

• Teddi Mellencamp on fan bias:
  “Why are these women so quick to believe a terrible man like T.J. over Stacy?”
  (39:46)

• Dolores Catania on not supporting Karen's actions:
  “Not a chance in hell.”
  (11:58)

These quotes encapsulate the critical points discussed, providing listeners with direct insights from the hosts and their guest.

Transcript

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[Tamara Judge]

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[Eric Andre]

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[Dolores Catania]

Bombing with Eric Andre. Two Teas in a Pod with Teddy Mellencamp and Tamara.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

All right, guys, let's get into this. Hey, guys. Welcome back to another episode of Two Teas in a Pod with myself and Dolores. Dolores, you are back home now. You were back home, right?

[Dolores Catania]

It felt like I was gone forever. I don't know why. That trip, like, felt like forever.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

So ridiculous.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

That's done and over with. And I can't wait. They both air on.

[Dolores Catania]

Both air on Thursday.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

So, so excited about that.

[Dolores Catania]

It was quite different than the reunions we're used to, as you know, you've. You've done it like you told me. You told me. Everything you told me was right. It was pretty civilized, except for, you'll see when two of the housewives come out, and then it becomes a housewife reunion for a minute.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, yeah. Oh, really? How was Danielle?

[Dolores Catania]

You know, she was really good. She. She explains why I didn't vote for her. And you'll see there's a big reason behind it. So I was kind of glad she did that because I feel like a big. This week because people are like, how could you not have voted for her? And I was like, well, because I fell for something that she said to me, but she got me.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, well, she's a good actress, I'll tell you that. The way she dropped.

[Dolores Catania]

She's a really good actress. The gamers are different. They're cut from a different cloth. Tamra. I know one that I wasn't aware of. I mean, like I said, I've been around. I've literally worked in a jail. I've sat with prisoners that murdered people. And I still, like, probably got more of the truth off of them when they were sitting there. 100% I did. These people live to lie.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. Manipulate, lie and manipulate.

[Dolores Catania]

And I just. I just wasn't privy to who they were before they got there. We don't know who we're going to see. And Andy's like, how could you not have known? I'm like, because I didn't know them before. If I knew Boston Rob took someone to the end and then stabs them in the back in the end, I would have voted for him. Right.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

That's the problem. We don't know who's going to be there. We don't know their background. Half of them I didn't even know. I don't. I'm. I don't watch gaming shows.

[Dolores Catania]

I'm Not a survivor. I'm not a big brother.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Uh, so.

[Dolores Catania]

But I'll tell you, the people that I did know what they were aware of. Like Tom Sandoval. Yeah, it was easy to vote for him. I know what he's capable of.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

He made it so far. I think nobody really thought that Tom was a traitor because of that would be totally expected him. You know what I mean? Like, it would be too obvious if they put something like him. Well, let's get into headlines. We have quite a few headlines about Karen. Of course, not unexpected, but Karen's full court statement audio released came out and wow. So was Fox 5 DC released the full audio of Karen's court statement. Karen begins. Your Honor, I want to apologize for taking this case to trial, but I also want to thank you for allowing me to have the trial. I think in my prior cases, I showed up to court, followed the advice of the lawyer, got the case resolved in it went away. I like to think I took the cases seriously, but this certainly has been such a different experience for me, an experience that demanded that I take a look at myself. I mean, it goes on and on, and I don't think we need to read the whole thing, but it's pretty long.

[Dolores Catania]

It is pretty long. It's pretty long with any of it, actually. Like, are you. I mean, it doesn't matter what she says here. It does not matter. You're going to jail for a year. That's all that matters.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. I mean, and we'll get into it later. Like, all of her statements kind of don't take accountability. And it's all kind of very sad to me that it's just. She just kind of like, you know, oh, it was an accident. Oh, you know, and then listening to her say my. All my prior DUI, it's like, Diane, here's the thing. 4.

[Dolores Catania]

So I've been like, talking about that. I worked in the Corps and I worked with prisoners. I have stood there many a time, and the lawyer says, if we go to trial, you're probably going to be found guilty and you're going to do like 25 years, take the plea right now, plead guilty, and you'll do five or six. And most people go for that. Yeah, most smart people go for that. I don't know. There was no denying what she did. It was not her first offense. Why did she bring this to trial?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

That's what I don't understand. And then at the reunion, they talk about the fact that she was offered a plea deal of six months house arrest.

[Dolores Catania]

She was offered two plea deals, six months house arrest or 60 days in jail. Yeah. Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And now she's one year. Do you think she had bad legal counsel?

[Dolores Catania]

No, I think she was cocky.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

Didn't we hear somewhere that she fired her first attorney?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yep. Yep.

[Dolores Catania]

So that. That says a lot to me. I hear a lot of people fire their attorneys, and usually it's because they said something that they don't want to hear most of the time. Maybe the guy or the man or the woman, maybe the attorney is just not doing their job. But most people, especially people that aren't accountable, don't want to hear the truth, and that's why they're in trouble in the first place.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, I hope that she gets the help she needs and continues when she gets out of jail.

[Dolores Catania]

She won't be drinking for a good year now. Well, that's. And I do hope. And you know what, Karen? I'm not on you. I'm not kicking you while you're down. You're gonna. You're gonna do your time better. You know what I was thinking also at this point? I. Let me tell you, there's a lot of times to self reflect where she's going, because there ain't nothing to do. You're told when to eat, when to sleep, when to. When to sit, when to stand. I mean, you are told what to do all day. It's not a country club. She's going to a criminal facility. But after watching that reunion, those girls aren't too easy to deal with either. They show no mercy.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, that scares me. Scares my heart.

[Dolores Catania]

But.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

So according to court records, Karen was only in rehab for 48 hours. Tweeted by We We. I Go podcast. I believe she went to a place called right turn for 48 hours. It's a place with rooms meant to look like gel cells so she could experience what that's like. She also has a continuing relationship with her therapist. So the rehab really wasn't a rehab.

[Dolores Catania]

If this is accurate, was it like a. Like a prep for where she was going?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, obviously she knew at that point she was going to jail. That's what it sounded like. It sounded like this is what to expect.

[Dolores Catania]

That's pretty. That's brilliant. To be honest, I didn't know those places existed.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Me either. Me either.

[Dolores Catania]

I don't care where she went. Unless they had trained actors and actresses in the room where she is, then I'm going to tell you that. That it does not prepare her for where she's going.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

No, I don't give her the cheese.

[Dolores Catania]

Sandwich that they serve, the government cheese sandwich or the canned vegetables that she's not used to that you get constipated from. I mean, and, you know, this is just horrible. The government cheese that probably wouldn't melt on an Arizona sidewalk in 100 degree weather like that.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Very processed.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah. So, yeah, that's. And she's in her 60s. She's in her 60s, so you're not as strong as you were. But hey, you know what? Take the year and be glad you didn't kill someone.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

Because we could be having a really different conversation right now. That night, that tree. That tree saved her life and someone else's life. So like I said, this is. Even though she's going to do a hard year, this is the best case scenario all around because no one got hurt.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. Do you think that she'll get out early?

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, I do.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

Not that early. She'll do some time. She's going to do some time, but I don't think she's going to get out. Maybe a couple months.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. Well. Sources tell People magazine that production on the Bravo reality show will proceed with the upcoming 10th season as Huger is behind bars. Cameras are expected to pick up officially at the end of March. So they will continue without Karen. If she returns in the future. That. Who knows? I don't know. But despite likely not appearing on season 10, Huger is expected to still be discussed. Of course she is. A source tells People Giselle even told attendees at the city winery event she had last Wednesday that she would be open to film a visit with Karen in jail. Is that possible? That ain't happening, right?

[Dolores Catania]

Not a chance in hell.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I didn't think.

[Dolores Catania]

Are they gonna let that happen? I would be so surprised. I know. Wouldn't happen here. I know they wanted to do that here. Of course, when things happened like that here, just not happening.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

They happen way.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah. No, that's probably just wishful thinking.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. Of course.

[Dolores Catania]

Giselle didn't show any mercy over there. As a matter of fact, when Karen was giving her so what, as she say, produced, you know, little speech with her husband. In that one clip that they showed, they were like, girl, shut it off. Angie, shut it off. This is so produced. This is shit. They didn't want to hear it. But you're going to go. Felt like they didn't. They were rough. Let me tell you. That's a rough crew. And if that. They talk to each other like that in New Jersey, there would be a fist fight.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. Like you're you're absolutely right. Because you know, obviously that video that Karen provided was a little cringe, but Giselle, why would you want to go see her?

[Dolores Catania]

I climbed it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I know, I know. Let's move on to the real houses of Beverly Hills. Last Friday they did the reunion. Now they have the. There's the seating chart. Are you surprised at all by the seating chart?

[Dolores Catania]

Let's see. No. Are you?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

This is the first time that Jarid has ever had the first seat. So next to Andy. So Kyle always has the first seat. The only thing that I could say.

[Dolores Catania]

Should have had the first seat. Now.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I'm torn with that. I'm. I don't know where I was a little bit like Bose has second seat and Erica has third seat. For a first time housewife to have second seat, that's pretty impressive.

[Dolores Catania]

Is it warranted? I don't know. You know what?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I don't know if it's warranted. I don't know.

[Dolores Catania]

Tamara. You could say it. Don't feel bad about saying it. You just don't think she should be in the second seat. She probably shouldn't be in the second seat, but h as whatever. I think that it never defines you where you sit on the couch like it sucks. You see your spot, you go sit. I've never been in the first seat.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Do you think Bose did more than Erica this season so far?

[Dolores Catania]

I think they showed more of Bose. I think Bose had more of a story. And yes, she did do more than Erica this season so far. Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. So I guess it's deserved then.

[Dolores Catania]

She had her boyfriend. She showed she was open about, you know, wanting to have a baby. She went hard for Dorit. I mean she like really stood up for her. Erica came in now and then, but yeah, she did. To be honest, I think.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, I think Erica was pretty much the peacekeeper this season. And you know, that puts you in the third seat. That puts you in the third seat. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. So let's move on to the real house of Potomac. Season nine, episode 20 of the Reunion. This is third part of the reunion. It is over after this. So it starts off with Eddie text Wendy that TJ just dropped a bomb. TJ told Eddie that Stacy paid him to be her love interest this season. TJ also claims that Stacy will still owes him money. Stacy says TJ would never say that. Andy says they have it on tape.

[Dolores Catania]

That's not the only place they have it. There's always a paper trail. Well, that she had them in an envelope full of cash when he showed up.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

If she was smart, she would. If that.

[Dolores Catania]

If it's true, it's got to be in writing somewhere. Okay? Somewhere, somehow, there's a. There is proof of that. Now, the problem and the big mistake that Stacy made for me was not calling him on the couch. He may not have answered, or he may have said, yes, you paid me. And she would have said, show me the proof. And if it's there, he would have showed it. She would have had to own it right there, and it would be over by now. But this is not going away, I think.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

So I interviewed Stacy, and we talked about it, and she is sticking to her truth that she did not ever pay him. She seems very upset, but she is it that she's not the person that's like, you know, you're an. Show me proof. Like, me and you are. She's like, more like, oh, bless him. You know, I feel bad for him. You know, I. I lost my best, and I'll pray for him, but he hasn't provided any proof on social media. He also has changed his comments on Instagram to only people that know him can comment. So I don't know. Also, in, like, the comment section, there's been a lot of comments that say, you know, throughout the season that, you know, he wasn't into her. She was paying him. It was nothing, Kenya. So I'm wondering, like, read those comments and go, yeah, I'm gonna lean on that.

[Dolores Catania]

Yes, yes, yes, yes. That's what I think. I am not. I'm not totally saying, but yeah. So he got it off of there. Yeah, she paid me. He seems like a bitter little jerk, right?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

He sounds like a little bitch to me. Little.

[Dolores Catania]

He's a jerk off. Let me tell you something. Any girl that dates him after they saw what he acted like to should run like, because he's not a nice man. He's not.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And another question I have was, was it a setup? Like, why did they have him on the phone?

[Dolores Catania]

No, I think because the guys are always. They become friends right over this, as you know. Like, Paul would have called and said, hey, bro, where are you? He doesn't say bro, but that's how Frank talks. But Paul would say, like. Like, hey, are you coming? Why aren't you here? I'm not so sure with this setup. It's not out of character for the guys to call and stay calm, but it could have been a setup, too. It could have been.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

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[Teddy Mellencamp]

Auto parts. So then we go on to Mia. Mia is in the back. She leaves crying. The woman and Andy chant, bring Eddie out. Bring Eddie out. So Eddie confirms that TJ told him that Stacy paid him and still owes him money. Eddie says TJ is tired of being painted as flamboyant.

[Dolores Catania]

She didn't deserve to be spoken to like that. I'm sorry she didn't talk to him like that. She doesn't project that. Like, I'll go head to head with somebody, but not her.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Now she claims that he's been her best friend. However, they've only known each other two years and she is upset that, you know, her best friend is turning on her like this. But not welcome to our world. I know everyone is telling Stacy to call tj, even Andy is how many times Andy's like, call tj. Call him. Clear it up. I personally would have.

[Dolores Catania]

I would have too. But here's the thing. If I was telling the truth, I would have, right?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I know she was afraid. So that's where I'm, I'm, if I.

[Dolores Catania]

Was lying, I would be afraid of what he would say and I wouldn't. I'm just saying, like I hate to say that. That really made me think that she's not being truthful. I hate to. I hate to say it. I don't trust that guy.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I mean, she's. She's a sweetheart. She really is. But I don't know, because she comes from such a place of love and kind and qvc, beauty queen, all that, that she just doesn't have it in her to. To, you know, go after him or question him or ask him for. I don't know. I. I'm a different person. I would have. I would have lost my shit right there.

[Dolores Catania]

Tamara. There was no reason for her not to call him except for the fact that she was afraid of what he would say. Maybe she was afraid of something else he would say. Maybe he has something else on her. Like, you said Wendy's of this or you said Andy's of this, or. Yeah, you know, maybe I do.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I do think she was afraid of what was going to come out of his mouth.

[Dolores Catania]

She was afraid of what was going to come out of his mouth. And. And he. He doesn't hold back on what he wants to say or how he wants to say it. She's afraid of something. She's afraid of something.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, I'm going to say that. Just him doing that. Even if she was paying him okay for him to do that and to out her like that. Like, why? What was his point? How did that make that make him. That makes him look worse.

[Dolores Catania]

I don't think he cares. After he spoke to her the way he did, I don't think he cares about how he looks.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Clearly.

[Dolores Catania]

I don't trust that guy. Well, because I don't like the way he spoke to her. I know whether I liked her or not, and I have nothing against her. I don't like the way he spoke to her. I think she's very pretty.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

She's gorgeous. She is absolutely stunning.

[Dolores Catania]

Did you see her? Watch what happens, like with her. Her blooming dress.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yes, I did. I did. Now, do you think Mia leaving the reunion early is going to hurt her for next season?

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, because, you know, that's the kiss of death. You don't do that.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

Andy doesn't like it. Producers don't like it. You got to stay there and you have to take it. And, you know, I. I said this last time we spoke, and I'm saying it again. Mia needs help. Mia needs help and she needs to get it. And. And I'm not so sure that she's cut out for this. This. She's too unstable. Sorry.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, I just said, like, when you make up stories and you're lying, and you're trying to make good tv. It shows, and it's not good TV at all. And especially this season with bringing the kids in and paternity tests and this.

[Dolores Catania]

Little love triangle, and one thing's your ivf, but you don't know who the father's. See, these are all things that are not normal. Not that we're all normal, but this is really abnormal. Making up stories, pathologically lying, things like that, paying your boyfriend to come on the show. These are all not normal things.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

The control room brings Andy the tape. On the tape, TJ says he will never be back in D.C. and that Stacy paid him to. To be on the show. And he wants his money, too. I guess. I. I want to know how much do you think she was paying him? Do you get a day rate? Did he get, like, a contract? Like, how much?

[Dolores Catania]

Listen, here's the thing. If she was paying him, if it was, you know, we get paid. When we get paid to show up somewhere, we get air travel, food, you know, food, hotel. She would have had to pay for these things. Yeah, I think the way he said it. Here's the other thing. The way that he said it was in a. In a way, like what you're saying. Like, somebody said that in a comment, and then he just, like, said it. Yeah, he went with it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I think he went with it, but.

[Dolores Catania]

You do? Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

All the women agree. It's. You know, all the women on the couch were believing TJ for sure. They were not believing Stacy.

[Dolores Catania]

I think, Stacy, they know something more than we do. Well, first of all, they'll kill. They cut each other. They really stand by each other. Like, I look at my show, Tamra, not that it's about my show right now, but even when we were fighting, we did stand by each other at certain times. They don't give a. They are.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. Well, if I was paying tj, I definitely would be asking for a refund because he was a total flop this season.

[Dolores Catania]

So I'm paying for him.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Do you make.

[Dolores Catania]

You know, hopefully he signed an NDA before.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, if he did, then she's. He screwed. Right, because he just went on and outed her.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like. Yeah, like, there. Like, if she has an attorney involved, clearly he signed an NDA, and she's maybe holding on to saying that NDA has to stick. He can't talk like that. So he'll. He'll either have to retract what he said, which probably not, or he'll Just have to stay under the radar, like, blocking his comments.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, she had mentioned that she was going to call her attorney, so I'm wondering if that's going to happen. I think in the next week or so or actually in the next couple days. If he's got receipts, he's going to show them.

[Dolores Catania]

If he didn't sign an NDA. Yeah, but if she paid him or she.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I think he's already blown that NDA. He already spoke, so he's already in trouble.

[Dolores Catania]

Make it worse.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, I guess so.

[Dolores Catania]

I'm curious now. I can't wait. I can't wait till the truth comes out. And, you know, the dirty laundry always comes out in the wash.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

It does. I was trolling his Instagram last night. He doesn't. He's not very active on Instagram. But I'm like, okay, I was fighting.

[Dolores Catania]

I'm like, your vibe.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I'm like, should I DM them? Should I say, do you have receipts? Give them to me. And I'm like, no, I can't do it. I can't do it.

[Dolores Catania]

You think you're the only one that said that? I know he's probably up to his ass in fudgeing dm, saying, send me your receipts.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, I'll tell you who would do it, and that was Teddy. She would do it in a heartbeat. She'd be like, show me the receipts, dude. I know she would.

[Dolores Catania]

Somebody's got them. And I'm sure. I'm sure he.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, but.

[Dolores Catania]

But definitely, if you're going to open your mouth. That's why I'm very torn by. You know, he did want the spotlight, too. That's the whole other thing. He liked the spotlight. So would she have to pay him to come on because he wanted it so bad?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, he probably would pay her to be on.

[Dolores Catania]

That's what I'm saying.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. So then Andy asked the woman if they have seen Karen struggle with a drinking problem. All the women say they have. Jacqueline says she was trying to be shady with the eight balloons. The woman agree that Karen shouldn't have taught. Taken this case to trial. Obviously, Stacy thinks that Karen didn't remember what happened that night. Obviously, because she was drunk. Wendy says Karen tried to get the body cam footage thrown out. Giselle says Karen pushed the trial because she didn't want to take any deal. Big, giant mistake not taking the deal.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, but, you know, she. She had a sense of entitlement. What she said in her statement, she. She has gotten away with it in the past, which we all know. But I mean, just. Well, listen. Doesn't matter now. She's got a.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

It doesn't.

[Dolores Catania]

It just doesn't. And who's the person in the car? What are we talking about here?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

There's. There was somebody in that car. Now, do you really believe Karen didn't watch that body cam footage?

[Dolores Catania]

I do, because I don't like sometimes watching things that I feel like I look stupid on.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

But, you know, her attorney watched it, so.

[Dolores Catania]

Her attorney watched it. I believe she didn't watch it until she had to. I absolutely believe that you might be.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Right, because I don't even like to watch myself on Housewives. I don't listen to the podcasts. I hate my voice, so I get that. But she watched it when she had to.

[Dolores Catania]

She definitely didn't. I can't even imagine. She's like, I didn't even know that person. I bet you didn't.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. Well, she even said in the footage, the body cam footage, something about somebody leaving the car. Now, there's been rumors for years she has a side boyfriend. Could they call him Blue Eyes?

[Dolores Catania]

Blue Eyes, Yeah. So now let me ask you, did she want to say that somebody was in the car so she wouldn't take the fall for it?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

That could have been it, too. That could have been it, too.

[Dolores Catania]

Somebody else was in that car and driving. Where did they go? Bullshit.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, that could have been what she was trying to do. Basically say that somebody else was driving, because by the time the cops get there, I don't know where she was, if she was still in her seat. Was she out? What was going on?

[Dolores Catania]

She was blacked out before she hit the tree.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, so she was out.

[Dolores Catania]

That's what she said. She was blacked out before she hit the tree. And I don't think anybody was with her. And the. The. The people whose house or wherever she was by, who let her drive?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, that's the thing. If somebody was in the car with her too, like, why would you let her drive? Now, Ashley says the night after Karen's accident, a journalist text her and said that there was a person in the car of Karen and they were the person driving. Now, I don't know that. I. I don't think I believe that.

[Dolores Catania]

Then why is Karen going to jail?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

Then why is Karen.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

There was no one else. Investigation done. Yeah, she said that.

[Dolores Catania]

What happened was the blogger watched the tape. Do you know when a cop pulls you over with a body cam, you can just email them and you get the body cam footage immediately?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, I didn't Know that everybody.

[Dolores Catania]

You could get anyone's body cam footage. You can get anything. If you know an incident that happened, you email the police department. It is public. Whatever you want, you get it. Somebody was calling Paul names about something. Paul text someone, voice text. And because of his accent, it said, I want to kill you or something.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. And he didn't even.

[Dolores Catania]

And the guy went to the cops about it, called Paul an asshole, said he's looking. So my brother, who's a cop, goes, you know, you could get the body cam footage. So he did. And we heard everything the guy said about us.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, wow. Wow. Well, Giselle said Karen was offered two deals like we said earlier. The 60 days or the house arrest, which she screwed up. Now the flashback of Karen telling Ashley Clinkity clank. That did not age well at all.

[Dolores Catania]

Karma. What it would actually say. Karma's her friend.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Karma's friend.

[Dolores Catania]

She's my friend, and she always sticks up for me. You know, that's why I'm saying now. And I. And I don't drink, and I don't plan on drunk driving. I don't kick people when they're down because it's like spitting in the wind. You know, you just listen, she made a mistake. We could talk about it. We could say how stupid it was and everything else, but I'm not getting excited about it for her.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Right. Right. I mean, I could see.

[Dolores Catania]

I'm not like girls.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

This is not her first one. This is her fourth one. So I could see the girls getting very annoyed and agitated with her because she wouldn't take responsibility. It was never dui. It was never about drinking and driving. It was always the accident. So to me, that would drive me crazy, filming with something like that. You would drive. Oh, it would drive me crazy.

[Dolores Catania]

I know.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I'm like, just take ownership of what you did.

[Dolores Catania]

You have no choice.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I know. But then Andy shows never before seen footage of Karen a day before she left for rehab, which wasn't really rehab, is what we're hearing. I feel like the entire scene was one big cover up. It didn't feel authentic at all. It felt staged. I think that she, you know, first of all, her biggest mistake is being all made up and glamorous and laying on the bed the way she was.

[Dolores Catania]

You know, pillows were beautiful. The rhinestone pillows.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I know. I'm like, be a little more humble. Just. I think this would have been a time to be a little bit more.

[Dolores Catania]

I would have been sitting at the kitchen table with my head down.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yes.

[Dolores Catania]

So ashamed. Saying, I Screwed up. I am sorry. And I have to. I have to pay for it. This is what I got to do. And everyone would respect that.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

They would. That people. That's what I. I say this all the time. We all up and we all do things, but when you own it, it goes away.

[Dolores Catania]

Goes away. It goes away now. Easier said than done. Easier. And that's, I think, what the. What they were trying to tell Stacy last night. Like, just call him whatever he says, own it if you did it, because we're going to find out. He can have 25,000 NDAs. You know, there's a saying in my family, two can keep a secret if one is dead. It's coming out, Stacy, sweetheart. Coming out.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, it's coming out. So in this little interview that she did in her bedroom with her husband, Karen says she didn't watch the tapes before the trial and that she didn't recognize herself in the footage. Karen says she started self medicating seven years ago when her parents died. Karen says the night she drank champagne after upping her medication. Karen says she never drinks and drives because she has a driver. Ray says that's when the Blue Eye rumor started. Giselle tells Andy to turn off the footage. Ashley says it's performative. Karen says what happened to her was self inflicted and she's going away for herself, not court ordered. I mean, she really covered all her bases like the girl said, her drinking, the blue eyes, the 6 million crashes.

[Dolores Catania]

But they hit all the beats.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Self medicated, zero. She kept blaming medication.

[Dolores Catania]

You see, it's such a small world. Ashley's on the train coming for to New York City, sitting next to some guy. You know, she's talking. She tells her business to everybody and she's talking and the guy's like, oh, let me see. And he goes, oh, I know this woman from Legal Seafood. And she would come and drink all day long. She is an alcoholic. She will always be an alcoholic.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, all we can wish for is that from now on, like, she gets the help she needs.

[Dolores Catania]

She gets the help she needs.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

It's not going to be fun for her. And when she gets out, that she continues with her sobriety because AA is.

[Dolores Catania]

Going to be a part of her life. That's. Damn straight it is. And you're going to go there every day. I don't care if you don't take a drink for 25 years, you're going to stand up in that meeting and you're going to say, I'm an alcoholic.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yep. And like you said Ashley and Wendy and I think Giselle all said that. You know, the talk around the town is that she does hang out at bars and she drinks all day. And he asked the woman what they think will happen to Karen. Sentencing Giselle says you can't wear a wig in jail. Giselle says going in jail at 60 something years old is a problem and it won't go well. Well, like I said earlier, I don't think a wigless Karen is the, the biggest problem there.

[Dolores Catania]

She's used to, I don't know if she's ever known what it's like to rough it. I don't know where she comes from, I don't know what she's like, but, but I don't know what her braining gump was like. So, you know, there's no rhinestone pillows in jail. There's no accommodations, there's nothing, there's nothing comfortable, which is what she's used to. I, you know, I, I mean, I don't know if you can go back to your roots. It's been a long time since I've had to rough it about anything, but I don't know. But, but, but you kind of can always like go, go and tap that. Like, okay, I did this once before. It didn't come. I don't know what she, how she's going to handle where she's going.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I don't know. I mean, you, I, I, we camp, so, but it's an rv. I couldn't imagine. I'm like claustrophobic, so I couldn't imagine just being in cell and then, not to mention I got a bad back. I couldn't lay on that cot. It would kill me. I would have to, but you would.

[Dolores Catania]

Have to and well, listen, she's going to have to. It's going to be survival. That's it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

That's rough. That takes me back to like, remember when the Chrisley were put in jail and they're still in jail. It's been years. They, they're going to be in there for a long time. I'm like, oh, my God, that's crazy.

[Dolores Catania]

But that's also a different jail. Yeah, that's more of a, that's the country club, so.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, is it a. More of a country club? Oh, I thought it wasn't.

[Dolores Catania]

I think so. I could be wrong, but I think so because that was federal. Federal. That was taxes, right?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, Taxes. Something like that. Andy. Thanks. A woman as they rap and Stacy says she lost her best friend today. And Wendy says she clocked Me. I know. I know. Wendy said she clocked Mia before anybody during Mia's first season when she lied about her age. Mia be lying since the beginning. It sounds like I. I clocked Mia.

[Dolores Catania]

From the minute I looked at her. So. Okay.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I just. I would be okay if Mia wasn't back next season.

[Dolores Catania]

I think it's in everybody's best interest for Mia to go get help and work on herself and be the best version of herself for her children.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Mm.

[Dolores Catania]

Because, you know, we have the little ones. We gotta work. Like, it's not just about you. You can't go. Go. When you become a mother, you can't keep going fucking up your life and not fixing what's broken.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

You gotta fix it as much as you can.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Exactly. So like we said, a source confirmed that they'll start filming season 10 pretty soon. Here. Do you think that they will bring in Robyn or Candace next year? I miss them both.

[Dolores Catania]

I love Robyn.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I do too.

[Dolores Catania]

I love Robin. I don't know Candace very well. I've met her. She was lovely when I met her.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

But I was just at Traders with Robin.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, I love her. I. I think she's. She's gonna be back.

[Dolores Catania]

I feel like she don't play either. She'll call you out.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Doesn't the ultimate girls trip Traders, they kind of revive, you know, like, oh, my God, we need her back on the show. So. Yeah, I think so. We have a few fan thoughts. Season was good, but reunion was great. I'll agree with that.

[Dolores Catania]

Great. Great.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Why are these women so quick to believe a terrible man like T.J. over.

[Dolores Catania]

Over Stacy? Like they. Yeah, well, hey, listen, they don't like Stacy. So that's why.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. I just feel like Stacy didn't do herself any justice. She could have gotten a little upset like she did at Karen and be like, yeah, I'm. I. Show me the receipts. But she didn't do that. But you know what? Everybody deals with things differently. Karen messed up, but she gave us nine years of great tv. Will will miss her next season. And then this person thinks that Stacy is a liar.

[Dolores Catania]

She might be. She. She might very well be because she didn't make that call. Because I think that if she called him, he would have said. If he didn't say, yeah, I have the receipts and yes, you did. He could have said other things like I was saying before. Like, he could have said, yeah, why don't you tell Wendy what you think of her? Why don't you tell this one?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And then somebody said, Karen has bigger Issues. And we know. Yes. And then somebody said what? I said, please let it be a wrap on Mia. Mia. Bye bye.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, I could see that. I could definitely see that. But I see Karen coming back. 100,000%.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

A thousand percent she's coming back. There's no. I mean, I hear that Jen shaw's coming back.

[Dolores Catania]

100,000% Jen Shaw is coming back because there's, she's, she's good with Meredith.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I am hearing. I don't know, this is. Could be a rumor, but that's like.

[Dolores Catania]

What, seven years she's doing Like Jen Shaw has got. Gone away for a bit, but I.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Think she's out maybe next August. I don't, I can't remember what it was. 2025, 26, early 26.

[Dolores Catania]

I can't remember 2026. Yeah. I mean, could you imagine we're talking about jail terms for housewives. Like, what is going on here?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, I don't like it, to be honest with you. I don't.

[Dolores Catania]

I don't like it either. I don't want to see. Hurts my heart. I don't want to see it. I'm very sorry for these people. Whatever mess they got themselves.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And these were, these are self induced. Now when we talk about Teresa, her ex husband did that to her. She said so that I'm not even throwing her in that group.

[Dolores Catania]

Listen, we are no different than anybody else and should not be treated any different than anyone else, by the way. We're not.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

No, no, I know we all make mistakes and it's how we deal with them and how we come out of it.

[Dolores Catania]

Right. What I don't understand is where were the people in Karen's life? And I've said this before, my family would be banging down my fucking door one day, one day in me, what Karen was doing every day. And there wouldn't be one person that wouldn't have put me in my place or put me in a rehab, had me kidnapped if they had to, to put me away. It's very sad that it got that far.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. I mean, even like my daughter and my husband right now are on me because when I get sad, I like shut down. Like I could sit in the seat all day long and just my whole body shuts down. And I'm like that too.

[Dolores Catania]

Tamara. I understand.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I get consumed with things. It's like I usually work out every day. I haven't been consistent in three weeks, you know. And then I got filming on top of that and I'm letting everything with filming really hurt me and they're like, you need to snap out of this. You need to get your ass up. There's a part of you. You need to take care of yourself.

[Dolores Catania]

Here's the thing, Tamara, you also deserve to. You're going through a lot, and you're watching somebody you love go through a lot right now. And. And, you know, sometimes you just need that everyone beats the shit out of us because we're usually tough, and they're like, snap out of it. You know, I'm gonna. I'm gonna cut you a break right now and say, take your time. I know you're gonna need it. I'm trying through a lot. You're filming. You're doing this. You know, filming isn't easy. I heard your season's a little bit kooky.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, I don't have the energy, and then I don't have the mind space. And when things like this are going on in your real life, like, it's too much. It's too much.

[Dolores Catania]

So you shut down, because that's. That's your body's way of dealing with it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

You're just shutting down. So shut down all you want, kid.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I'm. I'm trying to snap out of it. I'm trying. But you know what? It is what it is. But thank you so much.

[Dolores Catania]

You're doing a great job. Thank you. Thank you. Yes, thank you. I look forward to our chats. I really.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I know. I do, too. I do, too. Amazing.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, go break a leg.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Okay, I will. I'm off to LA for a meeting, so I will. I'll talk to you very soon.

[Dolores Catania]

Okay. I'm gonna go get my computer fixed, so then I'm ready for you.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, good. That's a good idea. Okay, bye.

[Dolores Catania]

Bye.

[Eric Andre]

Hey, what's up, y'all?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

This is Eric.

[Eric Andre]

Andre. Well, I made a podcast called Bombing about absolute, absolutely tanking on stage. I tell gnarly stories, and I talk to friends about their worst moments of bombing in all sorts of ways. Bombing on stage, bombing in public, bombing in life. I want to know what's the worst way they've ever bombed? Or have they ever performed way too drunk or high? Or was there ever a time where they thought they were going to crush and they stunk it up? Listen to Bombing with Eric Andre on Will Ferrell's Big Money Players Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts. Wherever you get your podcasts with Eric Andrew.