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This is an Iheart podcast. Guaranteed human. Two teas in a pod with Teddy Mellencamp and Tamara Judge.
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Hi, guys.
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Welcome to another episode of the Twat Seat with myself, Teddi Mellencamp and Tamara Judge. And we have a very special guest.
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One of my dearest friends.
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Hi.
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That I never thought would happen.
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I still can't believe it when we say it, Tamara. I still am like, yeah, I kind of really do dig her. I do.
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So we've got Alexis Bellino with us, which we noticed you didn't change your name in your Instagram yet. What's going on?
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It's going to be a minute. I am legally Alexis Jansen.
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Okay.
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Court document wise, however I talk about.
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You'Ve already changed your name legally.
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Well, no. I don't know how it all works. We're still figuring all that out. I talk about you a lot. When people ask me this question, I'm like, you know, when I met Tamara, she was Tamara Barney. And she didn't just instantly change to Tamara. Done three years. Three.
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Legally, I didn't change it for three years because it's a pain in the ass.
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Well, with the kids is the other thing.
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My kids, there's no VIP line at DMV or a Social Security office. There's none of that. So it's just time consuming.
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And people know me, Alexis Bellino. So for work, I feel like, do I keep it? Do I change it? You turned over, and it was just fine. And no hiccups with that. But, yeah, right now we're just in. I did put it on my marriage license. I am going to be Alexis Jansen. So then it's just now it's just all the paperwork like you said. Well, then.
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Plus, when you have kids, it's difficult when they're in school or doctors or anything. It's like.
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And they're also like, mom, but you're a. You're. We're your kids. And I'm like, yeah, but a lot of people get remarried and change their last name.
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I would love for you to change that last name. It's personal.
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Just throwing that out.
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It's not business, it's personal.
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Yeah. Okay. Well, moving on.
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Yeah. Well, let's just start off with the fact that you're married. You got married. I am.
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I got the extra band. See, it's little because I actually never.
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Saw the extra band.
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Yeah. Can you. We put the extra band. We did. Just a little. The same one, custom. Oh, it's turned around now, but yep. And I'm not gonna solder him. Because I might wanna just take the big rock off at some point and just wear the little skinny guy. Yeah.
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I love how that looks when the little skinny guy.
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And that's. I'm married, Tam.
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I know. Can you believe that?
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No. Can you believe it? No.
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You're all married.
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And when I first started dating him, I said, we can just stay engaged. We never need to get married again. We both have our kids. We both have everything. And then look what happens in two years.
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And what would you say is your biggest excitement from it all? Like, what's your happy spot from it?
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I mean, first of all, the day was more than I could have even. Like, I went in knowing exactly what I wanted it to feel like, and it was 10 times more than that. But I think there is a definite difference with marriage. And I don't know if you feel this or not because you've been remarried, you know, twice around or three times. In my case, it's. I don't know. I didn't feel this my first time around. But the minute that we said, I do, and the minute, I mean, our sex was even better. And I'm like, how is that possible? Cause we all know that that was always great with our life. And then I'm like, there's just this feeling. I don't know. I don't know what it is. I don't know if you felt that, Tamara, when you had that with Eddie. But, like, there's this. When we woke up the next morning, we were like, it does feel different. It's before God. It's like, it does. There is something about it. So thank God I turned my mind around. Instead of saying, no, we could stay engaged forever. And then doing I do before your family and friends and God, it was.
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Like you had a very spiritual ceremony.
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Yes.
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Now, the pastor that married you, is this a longtime friend? Is he the pastor at your church? Like, and by the way, it was hot.
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I'm sure his wife will agree with you.
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He was hot.
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He has. He's literally 40, just turned 40. He has four children. Two adopted and two biological. So they have four children at 40 years old, from five to, like, two. I mean, they are busy. They are busy, and they are in the thick of it. So the funny story about this church, you know, Pastor Jensen Franklin Free Chapel, is where I actually come from. It's Donald Trump's private pastor now. But anyway, he's the pastor.
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I was like, who?
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Pastor Jensen Franklin is the pastor that my family grew up with. Like, I have the cell Phones. We've gone to their family events. Like we grew up in that church. But anyway, so this new pastor that we've only been at this church for about three or four years, James plays on the worship team. James actually found this church. It's a very youth driven church. It's a lot of, like, when John and I go, we're kind of the oldest people there, but there's like a lot of other parents. And everybody comes now. It's growing huge. They just bought their first building. James, When I was at rock bottom with my mom and I was, you know, I told, I shared this with you. I told God I hated him for a few months because I was so broken watching what my mom went through, thinking there's people out there that deserve that kind of a death. But my mom, who won't even kill a spider and praises God and loves the world and loves people, is going through this unbelievably horrible experience. So I did say, hey, God. And so James found this church and literally, James, your son, my son is. Is one of the saving graces. And he just kept praying behind closed doors, like, bring mom back to you, Lord. And we, I mean, it is our home church now, and we've been there for four years. James, very religious, I would say spiritual.
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Spiritual.
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He does have a pastoral heart. I wouldn't want that for him because I know pastors have a very difficult life, but he will find his own path. But yes, he plays on the worship team. He goes. Even Kenna, they go to. Instead of going to parties, they're a Tuesday night at church, bringing all their friends and youth to Kenna. Just a church group at her public school, high school. Like, they're, they're very into that.
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Me and Ken are now friends on Instagram, just in case you didn't know that.
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Okay, well, not watch everything Tamara posts. She's only 7, turning 18. We don't need to watch every single thing. Tamara.
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Well, James led the prayer at your wedding. And I thought, I mean, I got teary eyed. It was beautiful.
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And he wanted to. We wanted to give each kid the. Where they wanted to be part of the wedding. Cause we didn't have a wedding party. It was our children. And so the twins wanted the cake. Cause they wanted the cake and they wanted to do the cake cutting. But they also wanted to say a toast. But when James, we offered him. You could either pray at the rehearsal dinner or at the wedding. But the wedding's gonna have 150 people. Are you gonna feel comfortable with that? And so I remember a week before the wedding. And I go, babe, I don't wanna be like the fly on the wall or like the gnat bothering you, but you can't just go out and wing it. You need to write something for this wedding. And he's like, mom, I got you. I'm like, are you sure? I'm like. And I send him a couple examples of other because he's not done a wedding before. And he's just like. He kept rolling it off. He's like, mom, I got you. It's fine. I got you. And then that prayer made everybody in the room cry. There was not a dry tear in the eyes.
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There was a lot of toasts that happened after that. And I have to tell you, I don't know if it was the champagne, but I wanted so bad. I haven't even told you this. I so badly wanted. I don't want to cry, get up there and talk to you and toast to you and John. Because you know what? We went through terrible times. Like, you know, being on the show together was so difficult, but now our friendship and our bond is so solid and so strong, and I just wanted to get up there in Cheers to Jesus jugs. That's what I wanted to do.
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Thanks for turning the tears into a laugh.
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I did.
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You know, when I'm in a lawsuit with your ex husband, not me, I not you, that I'd be standing up there with one of my good friend's ex boyfriend. I mean, you can't even make this shit up. And I'm like, tamara, this is not your time. You just sit down.
C
You gotta take a seat.
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You have your time now. What would you have said?
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I think I just would have said, like, how proud I am. And I could see so much love between the two of you guys and how, you know, the evolution of our friendship and where we are now and how we are both different and in different spots and in different marriages now, and how much I just love you guys together.
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Yeah, that's nice.
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My entire guest list probably would have loved you to do that.
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Can I.
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Hold on.
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I was going to throw in Jesus.
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Of course I have to ask a guest list question because now here we are. What happened with Heather Dubrow?
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Well, you guys are finding out at the same time as I am, because Watch what Happens Live is really what. I mean. My text exchange with her doesn't show the answer that she gave on Watch what Happens Live. It's a different friendship that I feel like I thought I had with her.
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What did she say on Watch what happens Live?
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She said, gosh, okay, well, now you're really throwing me. Okay, so I haven't seen it in, what, two weeks ago now, but something to the effect of. Give me a second. It was something to the effect of, you know. Well, that's a complicated question, because, you know, I'm friends with Shannon, and, you know, Terri and I aren't really friends with Alexis and John as a couple. I'm like, what the f does that mean? And it's like, okay, you're not. Because my text exchange show different. We've gone to dinner several times together. I was literally. My chin was on the floor. But at the same time, I'm like, okay, she's gonna come up with something. Like, there's gonna be something following up with this. And then it was just so. It was so cold. I felt.
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So you were hurt?
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Disingenuous from her? From the energy I felt from her at that moment. I saw a shift in her, and it was like I felt at that point, I go, okay, I am just a TV friend of hers. I was only always collateral damage as a TV friend. Because, you know, also keep in mind, Tamara, as you know, she shared information on the end of season 18 and disclosed private information that was given to Heather by myself only for her ears, not for the entire world to hear. And you and I both know we share things with each other that is not meant for the rest of the world.
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Right?
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You don't have to share.
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I'm not sure what information she shared.
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When you guys filmed the final scene on season 18 behind my back, and she said, he has footage of you hitting him. The fact that, like. The fact that, like, Heather shared that information about her hitting him with you all and knowing that I had given her that as a private moment, I'm baffled. That's the first slap in my face. The second slap came at Watch what happens live. When I would think she would be like, yeah, I love a lot. Because if anyone would have asked me if I'd been in the hot seat with Andy, and he would have said, what do you feel about Heather? You know, why didn't she come to your wedding? She had a family event at her kids calling.
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She told me that she had to go to her daughter's wedding. What did she tell you?
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The same thing. That's what my ex. The same thing. It was just. And that. So why couldn't it have ended at that? Why does she have to then say, well, I'm friends with. By the way at 50 years old. Why can't we all be friends together and not have to?
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Well, I don't think anybody should dictate who they should be friends with.
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Well, by the way, if you're 50 or even 30 plus and you have to choose, Elaine, then you are. You are feckless. That is the word I would like to use. Lacking initiative. Feckless is the word for her.
C
I was like, great. I'm glad.
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Lacking initiative and strength of character. That is what it means.
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You can't use big words on this podcast with us because.
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Well, the last time she knew well enough to give us the definition to it.
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You guys know. You know what? Last time I was on this. Last time I was on this podcast with you guys, not long ago when we were up going to watch Janet Jackson. Do you remember? I gave a word and your whole. The whole team was like, that's not a word. I'm like, look it up. I grabbed. I had an. I was gonna be an English major. Look it up. You've got it. It was another word.
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But you gotta do it. You have to understand, understand that me and Teddy barely made it through high school like we barely did.
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We barely make it through this pod.
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Every week, Devil's advocate. She's on live tv. She's asked. She's castmates with Shannon. Do you think she said it because she didn't want to upset Shannon?
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Yes. And that's why she's feckless, because honestly, you can still be a friend of someone and still be a friend of the other person. You don't have to. I don't know what power this woman has over everybody else, but for anyone to dictate who I'm going to be friends with, you would be gone. Have you talked to her about it? Heather? Yeah, I have sent probably five. You know when you press the text and then you're about to sit, send, and you're like, okay, erase. No, not going to send. Okay, send it. Send. No, not going to send it. I've done it probably five times that I was going to send her a text, and I still. I did text her right after. Let me just give you guys the info.
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Okay, let's just pull up exactly what you said because we don't want. We don't want to mince words.
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No, I don't want to hear. I said, heather, I saw watch what happens live and confused at your answer. You sounded cold and distant, like we were never friends and as if we had not all four of us gone to dinner Several times, et cetera, et cetera. I thought we were friends. I guess I valued our friendship more than you did. Did the show get in the way of our friendship? Question mark. Valid, right?
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Did she write back?
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Yeah, right away.
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What'd she say?
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That is not what I meant at all. I'm sorry it came off that way. Reunion was yesterday and I'm exhausted. Let's please talk soon and discuss Hart. But in my mind, I'm like, first of all, that was. I get that you're exhausted, Tam. We know. We've done enough reunions. It's. You are. You are drained. And we don't want. But you're drained. So I get that. But at the same time, I'm just like, it didn't matter. The answer was just. I mean, what did you guys think? Hearing that answer, knowing, you know, that her and I are friends and have things in common?
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Okay, did I think the answer was great? No. I think the answer was Shannon's a castmate and I don't want to piss her off. That's how I'm taking it.
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Feckless.
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I think if there's ever to be somewhere feckless, you figure out a way to be there.
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Everybody's feckless.
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That's kind of as good as saying the F word.
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I know I'm going to say, yeah, fuck you, and fuck you, and fuck you. You want to be. Fuck you.
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I want to hear that. Yeah. Yeah.
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You want to be somewhere. In my opinion, if I want to be somewhere, I figure out a way to be there. And the fact that she didn't go and then. Which is, you know, you. It could have been another reason. But then on top of it, to double down and say what she said on Watch what happens live. I think that's what really hurt you.
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I'm very hurt.
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I think.
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I think the double whammy is the problem.
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Everyone knows my children come first. Everyone knows it would not matter. Like, I get that she. And she did have this event. She told Tamara that when she found.
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Out the date, it was her daughter's family night.
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It was parents night. Parents week. It was not complicated. I was friends with Jen and still am, and I'm friends with you. It's not complicated. You can be friends as a grown ass mature woman with two different people because all of Newport is divorced and 75% divorce rate. It's like, you're gonna have to not choose lanes. You've gotta be able to keep the peace with both and love both for where they're at. I don't understand where, you know, why.
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She just wouldn't say, I had my daughter's event and left it at that. And left it at that.
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And the other answer she gave was, there was another thing Andy asked her. It's almost like she was trying to ice me out or just like, I don't know, I've gotta get to the bottom of this. But anyways, she said to Andy, she goes, she's a sweet girl. She's lovely. It's like, sweet girl and lovely. How many deep conversations have we had about life, things that we're going through together? Like, I'm just. I.
C
It sounds to me like your friendship.
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Isn'T a priority to her, but it was to me. Right. So that's where.
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That's where.
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That's where there's gotta be another conversation.
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Do you think that she truly had a core deep relationship with you, or you think it was a TV friendship? Because that came up again this season with somebody else.
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If you would have asked me that two weeks ago, a month ago, I would have said, I have a true friendship with Heather. And I would. I would have been. I'm loyal to. I'm loyal to my friends. Now I'm questioning it because of that answer and because of what happened. You know, like, what happened last year at season 18. Because when she gave the information, she wasn't to share. I forgave her for that. Because I do feel like that, especially in this industry that we're in, reality TV is not easy. We all know this. We've all been there. You've been there.
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Maintain friendships.
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Yes.
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Within a cast, yes.
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But there's also. It's possible, Tamara, if you have a good heart and you stand to your truth and you have strength in your character. Yep.
C
Yeah.
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However, now I am definitely. I'm. I'm gobsmacked, to be honest. I'm like, whoa. Like, I. Because, you know, I was hurt by you because you were in that scene. But how did we work through it, Tamara? Because you know what? We were honest. And you said, lex, I am filming a reality show. This is what, you know, it is. I got it. I get it. And here's the deal. I have a very big capacity for understanding the realm of what work we do. I get that there is TV moments, and that's what I always called it when everyone asks, how can you be such good friends with her? She crapped on you. She did this. I go, no, that was a TV moment. It's fine. We moved past it. We talked. It through. We cried, we yelled. We did this, we did that. Here we are. The friendship has enough of a core strength in it itself that it doesn't. The other stuff is kind of minouche. However, I feel that now I've had two knockdowns with Heather, and I just feel. And I want to move past this. I don't really want to take all this. It doesn't deserve as much time, but I just. I'm really hurt. And I also don't think she realizes the weight of her words on that episode and also the weight of her words on the watch what happens live. I also don't think she considered or even put herself in my shoes about disclosing private information that was not hers to share with. America. Was not. I told you. I told her. Guess whose mouth it didn't come out of. You didn't tell.
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I did not.
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Them to do that scene.
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Did not at all. Let's move on to happier news. Maybe Teddy.
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Teddy's not ready.
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I can. I'm not ready to move on. Okay. Is there anybody that you just. Anybody want a drink?
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Could be a while.
C
Is there anybody that you disinvited to the wedding?
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Yes, but obviously you saw that. Teddi. I know.
C
Which you don't even have to say the name. But there is somebody. And that's not a rumor.
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It's not a rumor. No. I did. But we have patched things up, and she did wish me well. It's Jen Perdante, obviously. It's all over the tabloids. We know. But. Yeah, because here's the problem. My wedding list started at 80. I wanted to keep it very small. It's a very intimate venue that we had it at. As Tamara will tell you, with the room, I wanted more freedom and more. Bigger space for all the tables. I didn't want it to be, you know, crammed in there like sardines and all this. So my vision was one way. Well, the list soon got up to 160, and the capacity of the room is 150. So I'm, like, needing people to catch the flu and, like, Covid and things, like, faster. I'm like. I'm like, people need to, like, drop off this list. Like, I don't know what it is. Okay, fine. Your kids. Okay, fine. Okay. Your kids got the boogers. Okay, fine. Oh, yeah. You're kind of ugly.
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You don't need to be there.
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Just kidding. So I'm needing people to cancel. So it's.
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You're not on Oz.
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Epic.
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Fine. So I send out My save the dates. And then, you know, a month goes by and Jen and I are talking before this. We're talking almost every day. She's knowing my wedding dress scandals and all the things that are happening with everything and. Cause it takes a lot. It takes an army to make a wedding happen. And so anyways, all of a sudden I'm going in for this last minute boob, like not really emergency, but kind of emergency boob job. Didn't wanna have em done again, but by the way, they look smaller girls, huh?
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They look very cute. Aren't they cute?
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Very perky.
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Yeah, they're cute.
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I had a reconstructive boob job done because here's why. My left side had encapsulated so it was like getting hardened and growing up here.
B
And then she had a boob under her chin. Okay, I did.
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It was starting to grow under my chin cam. It was gonna be really bad in the wedding. Wouldn't look good in the wedding dress. Wouldn't look good in the wedding dress.
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No.
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So then. But then also guess what happened. My implant ruptured. So I had two things on this side. So it was kind of emergency, but not really. Like I wasn't gonna die, but, you know, it was a big deal anyways, so I text her. She doesn't text back. Even after knowing that. Does not say, how'd it go? You okay? And I'm like, this is weird. And it'd been a month, so I disinvite her because I'm like, I'm five months out from my wedding. I'm not inviting someone to my very. You know, I need people to drop off. I'm like, I'm not inviting her to my wedding. When it's like she's not even checking in after knowing that I just had this happen. We have patched it up, by the way. Jen, I'm sorry that this is all coming out now, but yeah, we're in a discussion.
C
But how does Lindis invite somebody?
A
I just texted her and said, I'm so sorry, but.
B
But she never really got the invitation.
A
She got to save the date. She got to save the date. But I just said, and you never really. Where we're at right now, Jen, we haven't spoken in a month. My wedding is five months out. I really. I don't have the space at the moment to. I mean, my space in my heart, not the space in the venue, but like, I feel like we have distanced. There's some distance growing between us. So at this point, I think it's just. It's just a better if, you know, we.
B
So it was more about. You guys weren't talking like you used to. You felt like she was pulling away.
A
Over in one month's time.
B
Tamara, you guys live, like, walking distance from each other.
A
I know. And we talked almost every. Like, she'd be in carpool and I'd be like. She'd be like, call you right back. Okay. And then it was like we were talking like, one or two times a day. One a day. Once every three days. I don't know. But there was a weird, you know. You know when, you know, you. You could feel a weirdness from a friend.
C
You stopped filming?
A
No, no, no. We were friends the whole time. She's been filming this whole season. Except for that when that one month, it started to dwindle, and then I'm like, okay, this is a weird. It just feels weird. I don't want to invite someone to my wedding who I haven't spoken to in over a month. Because every single person on that wedding list I've known for over two and a half years. She was one of the newer friends that I had known. So I'm like, you know, there are people that I still want to have come and, you know, so it was just. It was.
B
You guys are in better terms now.
A
We are right now. Yeah.
B
That's good.
A
We have texted back and forth since then. She texted me on my wedding day and just said, I know you're going to be beautiful. I said, you know what? I know it's last minute. It feels like you should be here if you can. Ryan, want to slap on a wedding, you know, a wedding outfit and get here? I'll make sure there's space for you. So I reinvited her kind of. And, you know. Yeah, it just. We're in a good spot. She's like, I'm in San Diego because my son's, you know, getting his Marine some kind of ceremony, so. Yeah. But we're in a decent space now.
C
All right, well, that's good.
A
And that's what MetLife's about, right? Yeah. Yeah. See, that's how you move forward.
B
Moving forward.
C
That's how you move forward.
B
Did you hear from anybody that you were surprised to hear from the day of your wedding?
A
Well, like, I mean, Heather text me the day before and the day after, I think, and then Andy Cohen text me the day after when the People article came out and was like, I don't remember now. So I'm like, you look beautiful. I'm so happy you found love or whatever. Back and forth. I know. So that was kind of out of left field. But obviously we have a very good relationship because I was the 12th housewife. I know. You were number four. Yes. Four of all. So think about how many hundreds of housewives there are now. Yeah, you were four and I was 12.
B
He's always good about stuff like that.
A
Or 11. I'm 11. I'm sorry. I was 11.
B
I don't know what number I am, but, I mean, I feel like he is very protective of all his housewives, past and present.
A
I agree.
B
Always stands up for them. That was very sweet.
A
I don't know how he does that, but anyways. Yeah, so there were. There were, you know, I mean, Jim, my ex, Texas, me.
B
Whoa.
A
Yeah. Yeah. He texted me.
B
What is your ex husband text you the day of your wedding?
A
The day before. He just. Day before.
B
I hope you choke on your chicken.
A
What?
B
What did he say?
A
No, it was actually very sweet. He goes, I'm wishing you a blessed day or a happy day or hope you have a great day. Something like that. I hope it was a great day tomorrow. Something like that. So I think that was. It was very sweet.
B
Oh, that was nice. That is very nice. I didn't get that text from Simon.
A
I had quite a few of those texts that I was like, ooh, okay.
C
Oh, my gosh. You're close with Joe. So Joe was there, right?
A
Yes, yes.
C
Have you spoken to her about Slade? Trying to act like a housewife this season?
A
You know, she doesn't really talk about him a whole lot. I think it's more of me wanting.
B
To talk about it.
A
She's, like, so over that and doesn't. When she's kind of like.
B
She's, like, married and has moved on, and it's been like two decades.
A
Decade or two. Yeah, two decades.
C
But I can't help myself.
A
She's just kind of like, why did I ever date him, Alexis? Can you please remind me? And I'm like, I don't know. We can say that to each other. Yeah.
B
Let's talk about our relationship with as couples, like me and Eddie, you and John. So, you know, Eddie really likes John and thinks ditto.
A
Yeah.
B
And he really thinks you're just, like the sweetest, kindest. Never has a bad thing to say about anyone. I mean, even this season, us talking. And you would say to me, no matter whatever I was saying to you, like, she was so mean to me now, Tamara. Okay, let's think about this. Even if it was Shannon let's think about this. Like. Like, let's talk this through.
A
Through.
B
Maybe you don't need to be mad at her. Like, you are a type of person that can see both sides for sure. And Eddie has acknowledged that and acknowledged just, like, the friendship, because, trust me, when I told him I was friends with you, he goes, not Jesus Jugs.
A
I know.
B
You told me. Yeah. And I'm like, yeah, Jesus Jugs. And then after, he's like, you know what? She's a really good person. She's a really good person.
A
But you know what's funny, Tamara? I can never fault you or Heather that season. Or Vicki. Vicki kind of. Vicky. Not. You know, I'm talking about back when we were filming, like, season eight, let's say, when you and Heather were reading. And I think you were like, you guys were sniffing the. You know, something wasn't right. I was not.
B
I thought you meant the booger sugar.
A
Or whatever it's called.
C
The sniffing.
A
Sniffing. You were sniffing out that. I think you and Heather could sniff that my marriage wasn't perfect.
B
Well, I think that you don't see.
A
The love that you saw with John.
B
And I. Stevie Wonder could have seen that.
A
Oh. Oh, good God. Well, but, I mean, when John and I walk in a room, people are like, wow, you guys, like, they feel the energy of the love that we have for each other. Right? And I think that you can feel that out of couples that really, you.
B
Guys oddly look related. Sorry. But I said it.
A
We do you guys a little bit.
B
Little bit, yes.
A
If we look related, that's not good because that's incest.
B
Well, you're not gonna have any kids, so it's okay.
A
If I go down my chart and I find out that he's a relative of mine. He's from Netherlands. I'm from. I'm from.
B
Dude, you're not having kids, so you can.
A
Your brother. I'm not even letting my mind go there.
B
Second cousin.
A
You are horrible. I'm not letting my mind go there.
C
Oh, my gosh.
A
Tam.
C
Tam. He's your brother. That's okay.
A
Yeah.
B
No kids.
A
Move on. It's good. You guys look good.
C
Tammy says it's fine.
A
Is that the Bible? Yeah. Is her.
B
Is she the.
A
She gets to.
C
I'm the Bible.
B
I'm just joking. Anyway, you guys. What I'm saying is, you guys make a video. Very good couple. I mean, he's handsome. You like. You guys look like the top of a wedding cake.
A
Okay, well, I. I could start that career. That.
B
That. That's me Giving you a compliment in some weird way. Okay, if you're brothers, brother and sister.
C
And you're Tamara giving you a compliment by also alienating half of our viewership.
B
Yes. Just saying.
A
I'm learning. Tamra's compliments, they come very far and few between. But when they do, you're just the top of a wedding cake. That's her.
D
Hey.
A
It'S the truth. And you know, John feels the same about Eddie and you. I feel the same about you. And it is weird. I just think it's very inspirational. First of all, I told everyone, watch our love story of Blossom. Like, just watch. Just. If everybody just sits back. Last year when I was calling you, crying every single day, filming. Well, when it started to air, I wasn't crying filming. I was crying when it aired how it wasn't really the true story being shown.
B
You, me, both, sister.
A
Okay, so we got that together. Anyways, we trauma bonded as we've been.
B
Yes, we.
A
Awesomely known fact that we trauma bonded. But anyway, I just said, Johnny, on nights we'd cry together or even with you. I've said this to you. It's like when America really sees and give us a couple years, let it unfold. Let everybody get past the fact that the hotter, younger castmate took the boyfriend that broke up with the other girl. So if that's really. That's what America thought, that's what it looked like and that's what it came across as. And so I thought once everybody really sees how genuine it is and what happened, you can't break that love story. It's just. It's a beautiful love story. And it's the same with our friendship, Tamara. Because archenemies become besties. How does that happen? It's just one of those arcs in the story that every producer wants. But it's true.
B
Well, I think people grow and people change, and that's been our situation for sure. You're out of a marriage that didn't suit you, and I'm out of a marriage that was not great for me. And we're in different places in our.
A
Life and we both have good hearts. And that's what. Even though reality tv, some might beg.
B
To differ, but I know.
A
Well, that's what I was going to say is even though reality TV doesn't always like to show that.
B
No, you know, with reality tv, they're going to show your strongest, you know, personality, and mine just happens to be fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you. It's my opinion that's my strongest. That's that's me. And. And, I mean, it's worked. Longest running housewife.
A
Not proud of it. About the fucky. Fuck. Fuck, fuck. Fuck it. Not proud of it.
B
Not proud of it. But, you know, it's. That's what they show. Do they show other sides of me?
D
No.
B
Do they show me checking in on my friends and all, you know, and being a good mom and.
C
No.
B
But, you know, I've accepted it. I took that villain role 17 years ago.
A
Yeah, man, they just planted that hat on you. And guess what role I took. Tamara, the ditz. Even though I'm coming in with words y' all don't know, I'm the ditzer.
C
I know.
A
Yeah. I'm the ditzy one. Touche.
B
Touche.
A
She don't show much.
C
She's the ditz.
A
They don't know longer. Jesus.
C
Jazz Surgery Think they made a huge.
B
Mistake not bringing you back. Huge mistake. I think that it was the Shannon of it all. If you came back in different circumstances, you would still be on the show.
A
If I would have came back where we were originally talking and John Jansen was not in my vocabulary, I didn't even know. I mean, he kind of knew who I was, but I literally did not even know. I had to go do a lot of research after that night of Quiet Woman because I was feeling the butterflies and the weird things, and I'm like, no, I'm not gonna. No, no. But anyway, so then I learned a lot and maybe had seen one episode. Cause I wasn't even watching back then. At that point, my mom was dying, so the only thing I was doing is flying to Colorado to keep my mom off her deathbed. But. So it's just. It's so bizarre. But if I would have come back like that, you know, the newly single Alexis, or even if I would have just gotten a little bit better of not such a skewed storyline. I think America could have liked me and would have liked me, but it all works out for a reason. And I feel that now I'm exactly where I'm supposed to be. And it was all exactly where it was supposed to happen. Like, what happened is God's timing, even though it doesn't make sense at the moment. That was God's timing.
B
Yeah. Well, what I would say is. What would you say to the people out there that doubt your relationship? Which on. Even though you guys are now married, Like, I posted pictures, I got some hateful DMs, and I don't. I mean, I actually spent the time and said you don't know who she is.
A
Aw, that's.
B
You know, and normally that thing, I would just be block bitch. But no, I, like, took the time, like. And people would say back to me, you know what? You're right. You're absolutely right. So, like, does that stuff affect you anymore? The people that are coming at you saying negative things about your relationship with John?
A
You know, I mean, I would be lying if I said, no. It never affects me. But what I will say is that I think going through rewatching season 18 unfold the way it did from reality TV perspective and not the reality of what the story really was. I think that I was knocked down so low, and I was already so low. You knew this. Me coming back, it took. It took how many phone calls? Exhausting phone calls with me and you and Heather saying, nope, I'm not going. And you're like. You guys were, like, begging me and, like, all the exhausting phone calls.
B
Well, Heather rallied for you to come back to the show.
A
Oh, she was my number one reason why it pissed me off. We spent.
B
Let me just tell you why this bitch got fired. And instead of rallying for this bitch come back, she was saying, I want Alexis back. I want Alexis back. I want. Hey, what about me?
A
Hello. You can have two friends.
B
I want both of us.
A
Yeah.
B
Is Alexis a better friend?
A
Yeah, but. So anyways, being knocked down so hard on season 18, and I didn't. I kept asking God, why? And I was still kind of saying, God, I hate you, God, what are you doing this to me for? Why are you breaking me even even further down? And here's the truth, and here's why God is so amazing, is the entire time I'd be on my knees doing that, and I'd say, I hate you. I hate you, God. There's a word for it. It begins with an L. And now I'm losing my dictionary brain. But there's a word for it not so smart in the. Not so smart after all, in the biblical world, there is this L word. And it is about how God gives you the ability. He allows the space for you to have this hate for him at the moment. Cause you don't understand the entire story. And so. And then all the while, I'm on my knees, just like God.
B
Why.
A
Why me? Why did. Why. And he was always there. I heard his voice as clear as day. And he'd say, lexi, I got you, Lexi. I'm here, Lexi. You're gonna get this.
B
He wanted something better for you.
A
He's like, and so here we are, I think, at the end of the day, breaking me down that low, being the most hated person in America for Bravo World and a lot of America for, you know, six months of my life to where I have to, like, basically hibernate and get in death threats and, you know, all the things my kids had to go through. And seeing that.
B
Shut your comments off on Instagram, I.
A
Had to shut off for six months. I mean, it was really not something I should have ever had to experience. But anyways, coming full circle with that whole story, I feel like God did it because he was like, I'm building you up to be stronger and to show people that you can make it through and weather that storm and. And also that maybe everything you see isn't what you think it is, you know, because now look at how.
B
And I'm getting you off this fucking show. Yeah.
C
And now you're happy.
A
Yeah. And I mean, if that's what I love is when people see John and I out at a restaurant or just anything, and they come up, they're just like, wow. We see it, we get it, and that's all that matters.
B
You guys are a presence.
A
That's all that matters. And it's not fake. And we didn't do it for tv. We didn't do it for what everybody thought we did. Because guess you. I mean, all of you can imagine we would have. I would have wanted to end it if I could have.
B
All this hate could have destroyed your relationship with him. Yes, very easily. Let's talk about the wedding. Like, let the listeners hear about, like, getting married.
C
I knew about the hats.
B
The hats.
C
Like, was that Kemo Sabe? I was like, what the heck is going on here?
A
So when I was planning this wedding with Johnny, I said, babe, I go, you might not like my ideas. You know, he had. His idea was the circle of love, the round, you know? Cause we were talking, I said, what about a U shape? I don't want to do just people in rows.
B
During the ceremony.
A
During the ceremony, part of it. And he goes, well, what about a circle of love? And I said, I don't even know if that's possible. So I call my wedding planner. I'm like, is it. Do you think? What would this look like? How could we do it? So we started doing all these mockups and these ideas, and I'm just like, we're going with it. We're doing. She's like, I've never heard of it. Never done it. Let's go with it. So we did it because we thought, we're not having a wedding party. We don't want. I didn't want to walk down the aisle. The only reason I walked down the aisle was because my children and John's children were like, no, you have to walk to my dad. You have to walk to John. Like, you have to. You have to walk to the seat I golf carted half the way. Because that dress was not, you know.
B
Well, because it was in the grass. So the setting was we're in, like.
A
The woods, but you're in a canyon.
B
It's the canyon, and it's all with huge, like, I want to say oak trees. And then there's circle around you guys.
A
Right under the biggest oak tree. You can. You guys can see it on my Instagram. You can. So beautiful. I mean, I'm. And I'm telling you, it was. It was breathtaking. And the reason we married there, because we were looking at destination weddings. We were looking at a ton of venues. I walked in there. My mom is from Colorado, so she's a mountain girl. She's always loved the mountains. I'm a water girl. I want to live on the ocean. We walked into that venue, and I'm literally. It's probably the fifth place John and I had looked at. And I walked in and I was holding his hand, and I stopped and I, like, dropped his hand. And he's like, what, babe? And I go, I feel my mom here. I feel my mom. This is where we're getting married. He goes, done. What date do you have? They had no Saturdays for two and a half years. There's not one Saturday you could get married on. And in the months that we wanted, I think you could pick some of the off months. But so I'm like, well, then we have to get married on Friday or Sunday. And John's like, get married on Friday, whatever. And so she, you know, we booked it that day. We didn't even have. I didn't have a wedding planner in mind. I didn't have any other thing. I just said, my mom is here, John, we are doing it here. And he's like a million percent. This is it. And so then, yeah, then you have to have golf carts, because it is a golf course. And you do have to. They close down the golf course. I mean, it's a wedding estate also. But it's. It's unbelievably magical. Like, the whole thing was magical.
B
Your dress, absolutely beautiful.
A
Weighs more than me. It weighed more than me.
B
Yeah, it was all crystal, and it Was like a champagne color, would you call it?
A
Yeah, it's champagne and then champagne and taupe and. And then all the. Just all the jewels. And so that was another thing. I just a long ceremony. It was. And it was a very long.
B
Like normally you go and do the ceremony and 20, 30. It was.
A
It was 30 to 40.
B
Yeah, it was probably 40 minutes. But it was beautiful. It was fun. It was entertaining.
A
We didn't really want it to be that long, by the way. No, I thought I had to go that long.
B
I don't know that people love when.
A
We'Re looking at each other.
C
Ceremony.
A
We're like, okay, this is getting a little annoying because we're standing up there.
B
Falling asleep or anything. I'm saying, like, it was like fun. Like your kids were involved and you had different. Like, it was like a. It was like a Broadway play.
A
Yeah, it was kind of like. Well, we definitely wanted to both say vows to our children. Like, I wanted to say it to his kids, he wanted to say it to my kids. Because we're not just marrying each other, we're marrying each other's children. We're all six glue now. And so that was part of it. And that took what, three minutes? Each speech or whatever. Vows to each other. And then John and I's vows were three and a half. We were like, did you practice your vows? I'm like, yeah. I cried every time. He's like, I've done it 5. I've cried every time. I'm like, I've cried every time. I'm like, I'm gonna have to say hemorrhoid every time I'm Hemorrhoid. Hemorrhoid. Hemorrhoid.
B
Because, you know, that's my funny word. Is that like dick and balls? Dick and balls.
D
Dick and balls.
A
Anytime you change your mind, anytime I started to get teary eyed, I'd be like, hemorrhoid. Okay. And then hemorrhoids, because I just didn't want to ruin my two hours of makeup. But so anyways, so that took time. And then our pastor is not long. Is long winded. Because he knows us and loves us and obviously knows a lot of the story behind it. So it did end up being a very long ceremony. Nobody knows this. Okay. You don't even. Yes. You know. No, you don't. Okay. A week before my ceremony, the singer. I had one song I was gonna walk down to. Alex Warren's Ordinary. Okay. It's so ordinary because it's now on every top pop station anyway, so I'M like, okay, no, I'm not doing that anymore. Cause I don't want it to be ordinary. So I was like, I need God to be walking me down the aisle. So I was like, going through all the songs my mom loved. I was going through all the. All these things, and then all of a sudden, oceans popped up one day when I was driving. It's on my list, my playlist. And I'm like, that's what I want. So I send it to my MC guy and the guy that's running the production of the whole show of the whole wedding. I send it to my wedding planner. I send it to Johnny. And Johnny goes. Because it's the string quartet version, right? And Johnny goes, too boring. Can't do that. It's got to have the words. He goes, the string quartet version to the song. It's just not. It's not powerful enough. And I go, okay, then I'm getting a singer.
B
So I called. That point made him happy.
A
I called my pastor and text my pastor, both pastors. And I said, who can sing this from the church? Who can sing this and nail it? And I go, it needs to be impact. It needs to be nailed. And they're like, joey can do it. I'm like, perfect. So in a week's time, he practiced with the string quartet. Nailed it. Nailed it. And I was fighting back tears, but I felt the Holy Spirit come in during that song was exactly what we wanted. And then I said. I took it even a step further. And I said, when I get to John, I don't want to just go right into the ceremony. I want to sit there and really just talk to the Lord and just, you know, bring his presence fully into the circle. And so that's what we did. And it. It was beautiful. I had chills and tears and all the good feels.
B
Alexis, what about you did a rose ceremony for your parents? Can you tell us a little bit about that?
A
So, yeah, that was another touch, which is why the ceremony went 40 minutes, but we wanted to. I'm an orphan. I've lost both parents, and I lost my stepdad. So I've lost my dad in 2008, my stepdad in 2012, and my mom in 2024, so. Or 2023. So it's like I, you know, a lot of loss. And then John lost his father figure, whose name was Bill. He lost him when he was 12. That's who, basically, John felt like, raised him. So we decided to put candles that were. You can't have burning candles. So we had the light up candles there, and then they were in that beautiful little carafe kind of thing. And so we decided to stick roses in there just to honor them to another worship song and just to bring God. So, yeah, that was our way. Do you know what it took? How many times I had to say hemorrhoid for that?
B
How many times?
C
But a lot.
B
And by the way, do you have hemorrhoids?
A
Is that why I have a hemorrhoid? But it just is funny to, like, talk about it. I love it. It's just funny because it's like, who. That's the ugliest word ever you've ever heard. And it makes you laugh, right? See, look at your face. Yeah, it makes you laugh.
B
So it's like it makes you laugh or it makes you itch?
A
What's gonna make me not have a tear? And that was the word that just comes to mind.
C
We love it.
B
And then we went up to the reception.
A
Yes.
B
And then let's talk about the hats.
A
Okay, so this was the other thing that I wanted. I told you. Well, on top of all the entertainment that you were there for the violinist.
B
Violinist. You had a rap song.
A
That was a surprise. That was. That was. He's. He's just incredible. But then the hats were something where we were like, we want them to really take, like, a true. Like, something home. So the Rancher Hat Bar, they do customized hats, which is funny because you guys just filmed us on this episode. Emily was at the same place. No, but it was honest. It was honestly, like, I'm like, by.
B
The way, I gave the name of that, and I was supposed to film there.
A
Oh, well, that's. Honey, just.
B
You know how I'm just throwing that out there.
A
Do you know how many times that happens with. With the crew? But anyway, we. The Rancher Hat Bar, customized my bachelorette hat, too. And so when we were there, I was just like, johnny, this is what I mean. Each hat's like 180 bucks, and you get to put whatever jewels you get on it.
B
The line never stops.
A
No, because we had 150 people trying to get a custom hat.
B
And it takes time. You know, you got to do the band, you got to do the branding.
A
You get to pick out whatever you want. You didn't have to do the branding, but we thought it was cool to have the AJ because then it's like, it's your. It's from our wedding. It's just a moment. Yeah.
B
I had branded on the back of my.
A
I thought everybody would do the inside. The back.
B
It said T heart E on the back.
A
I love that, Love that.
B
But it was absolutely stunning and beautiful. Are you guys going on a honeymoon?
A
No, we did a pre honeymoon. We will do a honeymoon, probably early summer because now we have tons of family, like seven family. Birthdays, Thanksgiving and Christmas, all in the next two months.
B
What about houses? We both have your own houses.
A
We do. And you know what we're going to do? We're going to keep them all. I had mine on the market. Might put it back on, I don't know, after the holiday, I don't know. We're just, we're gonna keep both. And instead of going, you know, we could have a house in Palm Desert in here. Instead we just happen to have houses in two towns only 20 minutes away from each other.
B
So you guys spend majority of your time at your house.
A
Because of my kitchen.
B
And then he's got one on the water.
A
Yes.
B
Yeah.
A
And his vacation home. Yeah, his is the vacation home. Is he gonna keep the boat? Is. We're gonna keep both. Yeah. For now. We don't know what the future looks like, but we've, we've loved it the last two years, so we're not really in a hurry to change anything. And my twins are still in high school, so we're at my house down south with them.
B
Stay where you're at right now until.
A
The kids are out of the school.
B
Out of school.
A
And then they're all going to be flitting off to college. But now Miles is like, mom, I'm staying with you for four more years. I'm like, okay, well, that's my Sophia.
B
That is my Sophia.
C
Well, we really appreciate you coming on. We love hearing your love story and also all the funny tidbits. Hemorrhoid. Hemorrhoid. Hemorrhoid.
B
I'm gonna use that now. It's so great.
C
Where do people find you if they want to chat with you, get more information?
A
I mean, basically just Alexis Bellino, which, I don't know. Stay tuned. I don't know what my Instagram's gonna look like, but basically, if you wanna find me, you'll find me.
B
Why don't you just become like Madonna Alexis?
A
There's a lot of Alexis is out.
C
There though that might be taken.
A
Yeah.
B
Alexis.
C
Oh, my gosh.
A
Well, thanks guys for tuning in. Alexis.
C
Alexis.
A
Well, thank you so much, Alexis, guys.
B
Love you so much.
A
Love you.
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Release Date: October 15, 2025
Special Guest: Alexis Bellino
This episode of "Two Ts In A Pod" features Alexis Bellino (formerly RHOC Housewife) in the “Twot Seat.” Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge dive into Alexis’s recent marriage, her shifting friendships within the Housewives universe, her family, faith, and navigating public scrutiny. They dish about weddings, name changes, reality TV drama, former feuds, personal growth, and the emotional toll of reality TV.
(00:22 - 02:40)
(02:41 - 07:20)
(07:21 - 09:06; 25:47 - 30:49)
(08:43 - 18:53)
(19:10 - 23:38)
(23:38 - 25:10)
(25:47 - 36:29)
(36:43 - 45:26)
(45:27 - 46:44)
On the emotional wedding ceremony:
On reality TV and real friendships:
On loyalty and public hurts:
Alexis & Tamra poking fun at Housewives drama:
On church & healing:
| Topic | Timestamp (MM:SS) | |---|---| | Alexis discusses name change | 00:38–01:22 | | Wedding & spiritual significance | 02:41–07:20 | | Tamra & Alexis reflect on friendship | 07:21–09:06; 25:47–30:49 | | Heather Dubrow drama discussed | 08:43–18:53 | | Disinviting Jen Peradante | 19:10–23:38 | | Support from Andy Cohen and ex-husband | 23:38–25:10 | | Honest discussion about public criticism | 33:15–36:29 | | Wedding ceremony details: unique circle, vows, rose ceremony | 36:43–45:26 | | Post-wedding logistics, future plans | 45:27–46:44 |
Throughout the episode, the hosts maintain a candid, playful, and sometimes irreverent Housewives-style banter, while Alexis opens up about vulnerability, friendship, faith, and navigating the hybrid challenges of public and personal life.
This episode delivers a blend of cathartic Housewives nostalgia, real-life wedding joy, honest friendship real-talk, and inside scoop on 'off-camera' reality. Alexis’s journey—from public scrutiny to personal happiness, from TV friend to true friend—is front and center, peppered with humor, heart, and a few new Housewives vocabulary words (“feckless”!). Perfect for anyone seeking the real stories behind the TV facades.