The Twot Seat: ERIN LICHY (RHONY)

Summary

Two Ts in a Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge

Episode: The Twot Seat: ERIN LICHY (RHONY)

Date: October 22, 2025
Guest: Erin Lichy (Real Housewives of New York City)

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Episode Overview

This episode of “The Twot Seat” features Erin Lichy, star of The Real Housewives of New York City (RHONY), entrepreneur, real estate agent, and author of the new cookbook She’s a Host. Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge delve into Erin’s multifaceted career, motherhood, her experiences with the RHONY cast (including behind-the-scenes insights about potential cast changes and tension), and her journey as both a business owner and reality star. The conversation also touches on Teddi’s cancer recovery, grief, and how reality TV intersects with real life.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Teddi's Health Update and Immunotherapy Journey

Timestamps: 04:45–06:11

• Teddi shares updates on her recovery:
  • She's considered “cancer-free” for now, but true remission requires three years of no evidence of disease.
  • Erin relates by detailing her father's positive experience with immunotherapy and briefly mentions her mother’s breast cancer journey.
• Notable Quote (Teddi Mellencamp, 05:12):
  “To be in remission, it takes three years.”

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2. Erin’s Cookbook & Entertaining Philosophy

Timestamps: 06:48–09:47 and 40:08–41:54

• She’s a Host aims to make elegant entertaining accessible, with tips, recipes, and cultural influences from Erin’s childhood (Middle Eastern, Cuban, Greek, Turkish).
• Erin’s focus: easy, not necessarily expensive or time-consuming, but always heartfelt.
• She advocates for always having food out to create a comfortable environment and prefers buffet style for parties.
• Discussion on the overuse of grazing tables: Erin finds them “expensive” and “a lot of work” (08:48).
• Favorite easy recipes for kids and crowd-pleasers, including a homemade mac & cheese and a unique Thanksgiving turkey with rice stuffing.
• Notable Quote (Erin Lichy, 07:05):
  "It’s really just a guide to hosting and keeping hosting attainable... there seems to be such a barrier to entry."
• Quote (Erin Lichy, 41:29):
  "You cook it [rice] also for 10 hours. The turkey is not good—it's dry, it's gross—but this turkey is insane. It's my grandma's recipe. We make it every Thanksgiving."

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3. Behind the Scenes: Motherhood, Filming, and Real Housewives Gossip

Timestamps: 09:47–13:15; 32:54–34:34

• Erin candidly describes life as a mother of four and how she navigates work/life balance, with help at home being essential for managing RHONY filming.
• Teases about the filming status and cast rumors but declines to spill major “tea.”
• Discusses relationships with fellow cast members and other Bravo stars, plus the reality of rumors regarding former “OG” cast members returning.
• Erin shares an awkward interaction relayed by her mother in Palm Beach with Ramona Singer, who “doesn’t think she likes” Erin and allegedly said, “I heard [RHONY] is doing terribly” (12:30).
• Notable Quote (Erin Lichy, 13:06):
  "I'm one of those tainted New Yorkers... chaos and garbage is my norm."

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4. BravoCon, Cast Dynamics, and Real Housewives Drama

Timestamps: 13:18–16:37, 34:40–36:36, 48:28–49:19

• Erin shares who from RHONY is attending BravoCon (Jaisal and Sai) and why some cast members (like Jenna Lyons) will not attend.
• Discussion of feuds and real-life fallouts, including with Brynn, who blocked Erin on social media without explanation (16:06).
• Erin addresses persistent rumors about cast shake-ups, OGs returning, and possible new additions, remaining coy about production details.
• Tamra and Teddi muse on the appeal of OGs and fan expectations at BravoCon.

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5. The Business Side: Mezcal Brand and Real Estate

Timestamps: 35:42–39:41, 50:02–51:15

• Erin introduces her mezcal brand “Mescaloom,” emphasizing its all-natural, additive-free qualities.
  • Mezcal vs Tequila: Mezcal must be 100% agave by Mexican law (unlike tequila, which may be just 51%).
  • Erin’s mezcal is crafted to be approachable (not smoky, suitable as a tequila substitute).
  • Big win: Mescaloom just landed a major order with Costco.
• On her ongoing real estate career: Erin recently renewed her license and is moving back into flipping properties.
• Notable Quote (Erin Lichy, 39:41):
  "Where you talk to some housewives and you're like, so tell us about your new business, and [they're] pulling up a piece of paper... It’s a real business, I swear."

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6. The Reality of Reality TV: Highs, Lows, and Authenticity

Timestamps: 29:01–34:14; 48:55–50:02

• Erin opens up about the emotional demands and occasional nastiness from castmates.
• She values how the show has helped create a sense of community, citing support from viewers sharing their own sensitive stories, particularly around reproductive health and family struggles.
• The challenge of knowing when or if you're being authentic on reality TV—Erin and the hosts agree that self-producing for the cameras doesn’t work (“the camera never lies”) and how being imperfect is actually real.
• Notable Quote (Erin Lichy, 31:04): "The best part is going through real things that are happening, sharing them, and having such an outpouring of community."
• Notable Quote (Erin Lichy, 49:09):
  "If you're gonna do a reality show, you just can't try to be perfect because it just doesn't work.”

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7. On the Pause and the Future of RHONY

Timestamps: 32:55–34:14

• Erin breaks down her perspective on why the show is on pause (post-fallout among the cast, network experimenting for a healthier direction, needing more fun).
• The rebuilding process is difficult, and she emphasizes that it takes several seasons for any Housewives show to “gel.”
• Notable Quote (Erin Lichy, 33:47):
  “I feel like people forget that it always takes a few seasons for a show to gel.”

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8. Personal and Emotional Realities

Timestamps: 51:43–52:54

• Erin addresses grief and coping following her father’s passing, her strategies for managing tough emotions (journaling, meditation), and the challenge of processing loss after childbirth.
• The hosts express empathy and encouragement for her journey.
• Quote (Erin Lichy, 52:17):
  "I think I'm allowing myself to feel a little bit more, which has helped... there are days where I'm like, how is this my reality?"

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9. Closing and Erin’s Book/BravoCon Giveaway

Timestamps: 52:59–53:51

• Erin shares how to purchase her cookbook (Amazon, Barnes & Noble, etc.).
• Special: Erin will give away a BravoCon ticket to one fan who buys her book and sends proof of purchase.
• Quote (Erin Lichy, 53:33):
  “Last time we all went to BravoCon, I had an extra ticket and I gave it away to a fan. This girl was like, you changed my life... I’ll do it if I can, you know, why not?”

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Memorable Moments & Notable Quotes

• “Are we elegant entertainers? We are definitely not. ...We just like, here's your Chick-fil-A.” – Teddi and Tamra joke about their entertaining style (04:15)
• "My whole thing is little spaces and little moments that make people congregate and feel comfortable. And also, I think you should always have food out... we're Jewish, so we always have food everywhere." – Erin Lichy (08:00)
• “If I could have my dream person [on RHONY]? Cher. Martha Stewart. ...I think we need regular New York people who don’t give a—” – Erin Lichy (24:03)
• “You can’t be perfect on reality TV. If you try, it never works—the camera never lies.” – Tamra Judge (49:19)
• “It was really hard to watch [the reunion]. ...I was there living it.” – Erin Lichy (30:57)
• "I have so much family in Miami, and I would—if I were to live somewhere else—probably would be Florida." – Erin Lichy (37:07)

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Highlighted Timestamps for Key Segments

• [04:45] – Teddi’s cancer update and immunotherapy
• [06:48] – Introduction to Erin’s cookbook, She’s a Host
• [08:48] – Grazing tables: Are we over it?
• [13:06] – Being a lifelong New Yorker
• [16:06] – Erin on being blocked by Brynn
• [29:01] – The hardest and best parts of Housewives filming
• [33:47] – Why the RHONY reboot needs time to gel
• [35:42] – Erin’s mezcal business, “Mescaloom”
• [40:08] – Cookbook recipes for families; Thanksgiving turkey secrets
• [48:28] – Would Erin be bummed if not asked back to RHONY?
• [51:55] – Grieving her father, allowing herself to feel
• [53:04] – Cookbook and BravoCon ticket giveaway

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Conclusion

Erin Lichy offers an authentic, candid look behind the scenes of RHONY, entrepreneurship, and her personal life. The episode balances Housewives gossip and business savvy with moments of vulnerability and humor—fitting the trademark tone of “Two Ts in a Pod.” Whether you’re a Bravo addict or seeking inspiration for gatherings at home, Erin’s insights (and recipes) make this episode both entertaining and genuinely relatable.

Transcript

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Two T's in a pod with Teddy Mellencamp and Tamara Jud.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Hey, guys. Welcome to another episode of the Twat Seat with myself, Teddi Mellencamp and Tamara Judge.

[Tamara Judge]

We've been doing a lot of twat seats lately.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I know. Today we have on Erin Leachy. She is from Real Housewives of New York. She is a serial entrepreneur. She's the co founder of Mescalum, an all natural, additive free, 100% artisanal mezcal brand. She's also a seasoned real estate agent, develop and interior designer. She also has a book called She's a Host, which is an unbuttoned cookbook for elegant entertaining. So we're going to talk about all the things.

[Tamara Judge]

I feel like we can learn a lot about this because Teddy.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah?

[Tamara Judge]

We're not elegant entertainers.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

We are definitely not elegant entertainers.

[Tamara Judge]

No, no. We hire people to do stuff like that for us. Actually. We just don't do it at all. Yeah, we just like, here's your chick.

[Erin Lichy]

Fil A.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I'm not sure we're elegant at anything.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, we're kind of scruffy.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

A little scruffy.

[Tamara Judge]

That's okay. There she is.

[Erin Lichy]

Hi, Eddie. How are you? Are you okay?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I'm doing okay, thank you. I'm still on immunotherapy and going through that process, but as of now, I am considered cancer free. Oh, I know.

[Tamara Judge]

Are you considered cancer free or there's no cancer detected? Because didn't you say it takes a year for you to be considered cancer free?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No, I. To be in remission.

[Tamara Judge]

To be in remission.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. To be in remission, it takes three years.

[Erin Lichy]

Immunotherapy is unbelievable.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So essentially there's no unbelievable. There's no evidence.

[Erin Lichy]

The reason he passed away is he picked it up like smoking again, but it cured him. Like the doctor Said, I don't like to say the word cure, but it. It's. It's. I mean, knock on wood, it really.

[Tamara Judge]

So your dad went through immunotherapy?

[Erin Lichy]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

How long did he go through treatment?

[Erin Lichy]

Not so long. I want to say, like, maybe a year or six months. But, like, he handled it really well. He felt great. Like, it was immunotherapy. He was a candidate for it. So that' the other thing. You're really lucky that you're a candidate because not everybody is, which is, you know, crazy, but.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So he didn't feel sick or tired on it or anything like that?

[Erin Lichy]

A little. Maybe a little tired, but not really. Not bad.

[Tamara Judge]

Not like chemotherapy.

[Erin Lichy]

No. My mom did that because she had breast cancer. This all happened at once. And she. I mean, she's fine now. Completely fine. But she felt like crap, you know?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. My ex went through chemotherapy, and it literally takes you to death before you.

[Erin Lichy]

Oh, yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Come back. Yeah, it's brutal. It's brutal.

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But our girl's back.

[Erin Lichy]

She's so happy. I'm so happy to hear that. And you really look beautiful.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, thank you.

[Erin Lichy]

All the things that you're going through. I don't know how you look this good.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, so do you. But we want to talk a little bit about your cookbook.

[Erin Lichy]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Because we're the least elegant people there is.

[Tamara Judge]

We were just joking.

[Erin Lichy]

Like.

[Tamara Judge]

We don't really host elegance.

[Erin Lichy]

You know what? I get it. A lot of work.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So tell us a little bit about your cookbook.

[Erin Lichy]

It's really just a guide to hosting and keeping hosting attainable and, you know, not something that's so challenging. And so, like, there seems to be such a barrier to entry with hosting, and everyone's like, oh, my God, But I have to have this, and I have to have that. And they're really easy tips and really easy, you know, ways to make it really elevated and beautiful. But, like, not very expensive, not very challenging, doesn't take too long. So just little quick tips and tricks.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And it's called She's a Host.

[Erin Lichy]

Yes. It's called She's a Host. Yes.

[Tamara Judge]

I had a party this season.

[Erin Lichy]

Did you? And I. I need to. I want to notice.

[Tamara Judge]

And I literally ordered everything off of Amazon.

[Erin Lichy]

Yeah, there you go. That's a good tip.

[Tamara Judge]

Is that not. Not a thing?

[Erin Lichy]

Like, totally. Why not? Like, whatever makes it easier for you. My whole thing is, like, little spaces and little moments that make people congregate and feel comfortable. And also, I think you should always have food out. I mean, I'm Jewish. So, like, we always have food everywhere, and it's there for the entirety of the party. And there's never. I mean, even though the girls on my show like to complain, but, you know, there's always a surplus of food and it keeps the party going. So that's the other thing. And it's just. It's just an easy guide. And also there are really great recipes for my childhood that are near and dear, that are not crazy hard to make, but will wow a group because they're different. You know, they're Middle Eastern, they're Cuban, they're Greek and Turkish, like all of our backgrounds.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay, what are your thoughts on the grazing tables with the cheese and all that?

[Erin Lichy]

Are we tired of seeing that Personally? Yes. And also, like, that's what I had. That's a lot of work. That's a lot of work.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, I've done my own a few years ago for, like, a family reunion for, you know, a holiday or something.

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It was a lot of work. And you know what?

[Tamara Judge]

Expensive.

[Erin Lichy]

They're beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. And they're expensive and, like, it's just like. I mean, they're beautiful. I don't. I don't. I like one. I like to go and enjoy one, but I'm not. That's.

[Tamara Judge]

But half of it's wasted.

[Erin Lichy]

I agree. Yeah. It's like, no.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And the time, it takes.

[Erin Lichy]

Everything buffet style. I love buffet style.

[Tamara Judge]

Do you make the food?

[Erin Lichy]

I do.

[Tamara Judge]

Wow. That's a long process.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I know.

[Erin Lichy]

I enjoy it. Like, it's really therapeutic for me. I don't have much, like, there's not, like, many quiet moments in my life. So when I'm in the kitchen and I have a glass of wine, playing music, like, I enjoy it.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. It's because you're a mama of four now. How's that going?

[Erin Lichy]

I mean, the baby's like, not a problem. It's the other kids that I have fun and, like, you know, fat and chunky and I love him.

[Tamara Judge]

How old is he now?

[Erin Lichy]

Challenging. Six months.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Six months.

[Tamara Judge]

It's only six months.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And are they done?

[Erin Lichy]

Yes, we are. I am done. I am done. The other one, my oldest son, is turning 11 soon. Layla is 8, Elijah's 5, and then the baby's 6 months.

[Tamara Judge]

You're in the heat of it.

[Erin Lichy]

Oh, yes. Oh, my God.

[Tamara Judge]

Do you have help?

[Erin Lichy]

Yes, I would.

[Tamara Judge]

That. That makes a difference?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Erin Lichy]

Oh, fully. Fully.

[Tamara Judge]

Because we're assuming you're going to start filming New York soon.

[Erin Lichy]

Don't know.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, if you were to guess, would You. We've heard a lot of rumors, kind of about other people being on or not coming back. We've seen you be with around Jessel, Jenna, and Sai, but no uba.

[Erin Lichy]

Well, yeah, yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She's like, yeah, I'm not giving you anything. Any tea.

[Tamara Judge]

But we also see you around Lindsay Hubbard a lot.

[Erin Lichy]

Oh, I love her. She's my girl.

[Tamara Judge]

So this is, like, a friendship that has developed because there's so much talk and rumor about she's joining the cast. But didn't I recently hear that she's doing another show?

[Erin Lichy]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay. And your children are around the same age?

[Erin Lichy]

Well, we babies had babies, like, almost the exact same time. She stayed with me out east a couple times. Like, we're actually friends. She's a great girl. She's a sweetie. I really like her. Yeah, I really, really like her, like, genuinely.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But you don't think you'd be filming together anytime soon?

[Erin Lichy]

No, unfortunately.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

What are your thoughts on all the rumors about the OGs coming back?

[Erin Lichy]

Are there still rumors of that?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yes.

[Erin Lichy]

Like, when are people gonna let up? I love them. I really do. I invite them to, like, all the parties I have because I think they're genuinely so much fun, but, like, I just don't see that, you know.

[Tamara Judge]

Meshing.

[Erin Lichy]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Are you friends with any of them?

[Erin Lichy]

Yeah, I really. I mean. Luann Dorinda.

[Tamara Judge]

Ramona's not even in New York anymore.

[Erin Lichy]

Ramona. I know. I don't think she likes you.

[Tamara Judge]

I think she's in Florida. She doesn't like you?

[Erin Lichy]

I don't think so.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, I'm sure she doesn't remember your name.

[Erin Lichy]

Right, Right.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But she definitely doesn't remember my name.

[Erin Lichy]

I just told this story because it's very funny. She lives in my mom's building in Palm beach, and they ran into each other. My mom was like, oh, by the way, you know, like, my daughter's on the new one, and she was like, oh, I don't watch that. I heard it's doing terribly.

[Tamara Judge]

That's so Ramona. That is so Ramona. Ramona was like, oh, well, you also recently moved into a new townhome.

[Erin Lichy]

Yes, that's why.

[Tamara Judge]

Is that where you're at right now?

[Erin Lichy]

Yep. Furniture is being delivered, and it's so noisy, chaotic here.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But do you see yourself in New York forever?

[Erin Lichy]

I don't know anything else. I'm like one of those tainted New Yorkers. It's been here my whole life. And so, like, chaos and garbage is my norm.

[Tamara Judge]

Born and raised.

[Erin Lichy]

Yeah, born and raised.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Who else is coming To Bravocon from.

[Erin Lichy]

New York, Jaisal and Tsai.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Jaisal and Tsai.

[Tamara Judge]

Makes sense.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Okay. No, Jenna, she's not coming now. She's not coming now. Did she come the last time there was a bravicon?

[Erin Lichy]

She didn't actually.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Erin Lichy]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

So are you talking about Jenna Lyons?

[Erin Lichy]

Yes, Lyons.

[Tamara Judge]

She didn't go when you guys all went? Yeah, I think the very first Bravocon where they announced you guys. She was there.

[Erin Lichy]

Yes, she was there.

[Tamara Judge]

But after that she's like, I'm too busy.

[Erin Lichy]

But no, I think it's like hard. It's not that easy, you know, it's like. It's a hard thing.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, Bravocon.

[Erin Lichy]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Me and Teddy are talking about it because we're obviously both going. And it's like the amount of touching and sweaty armpits that are on you. Like, you gotta really think about your outfits. I'm like, I want my arms covered. I want everything.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It's like.

[Erin Lichy]

It'S like, you know you're gonna go back with COVID or some sort of.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I know.

[Tamara Judge]

That's why I'm telling Teddy. I think you should wear a mask.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And she's like, I'm like, I'm not wearing a mask.

[Tamara Judge]

He's like, I'm not wearing.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yes.

[Erin Lichy]

Like, don't add fuel to the fire.

[Tamara Judge]

But you look cute, Teddy, with your little pixie cut. And by the way, you do. The pixie cut's in style right now.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, we'll see. It's not really a pixie cut right now. I'm giving Guy Fieri.

[Tamara Judge]

No, you're not, guys. Well, now you are.

[Erin Lichy]

Oh, my God, it got long.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I know. I am so Guy Fieri right now.

[Tamara Judge]

I say you put like a few little individuals extensions and have a little side sweat bangs.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I'm not gonna put extensions on my 2 inch hair.

[Tamara Judge]

You can do that though. Did you see back Kim Kardashian just did that? She just came out with a little. I'm sure it was a wig, like a little pixie cut.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I know hers looks cute. I'll probably cut it before we go to Bravocon and try to style it in a cute way. Don't worry, I'm not going to try to Guy Fieri it there. But I went from when I had. Oh, the slick back. Mine doesn't slick back. It'll only slick to the side still.

[Erin Lichy]

Like, I just think it's chic.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Thank you, thank you. That's what I'll try to do. Okay. So have you talked to Bren at all?

[Tamara Judge]

No, no, has anybody?

[Erin Lichy]

No. I actually just. I love how I have no filter and I can't contain myself, but whatever. I just realized that she blocked me.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh. What?

[Erin Lichy]

I like, I haven't spoken to her. I don't know what could have happened.

[Tamara Judge]

What did you do to her?

[Erin Lichy]

Nothing.

[Tamara Judge]

Nothing.

[Erin Lichy]

Maybe that's the problem.

[Tamara Judge]

But did she block the whole cast?

[Erin Lichy]

I don't know. I honestly didn't even ask them. I just, I. I think she. And sigh is already blocked and she blocked. Like that has happened, I think for a while. But no, she just like, she unfollowed my sister. My sister's the one who noticed my husband and then blocked me. Like I'm the, you know, the worst of the bunch, I guess. I don't know. So weird.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

How is Abe the babe?

[Erin Lichy]

He's really good.

[Tamara Judge]

How's he adjusting with another child?

[Erin Lichy]

He's like, he's fine. Easy. I mean, it's. It's really. It's just logistics that's the problem.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

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[Tamara Judge]

So Rebecca Minkoff claims that she left.

[Erin Lichy]

It just wasn't the right bit.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Do you guys still talk? Who do you talk to on the cast?

[Erin Lichy]

Psy? Jessel? Uber? Jenna? Yeah, but we, we genuinely are friends and like we really go out together and have fun and. Yeah, like we're all good.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And then if you were to get how many newbies do you think they should bring on?

[Erin Lichy]

How many newbies? Between three and four between three and four?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. Do you have any ideas on who you. If you could have your dream person. Come on, who would it be?

[Tamara Judge]

Say it.

[Erin Lichy]

Cher.

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[Erin Lichy]

Martha Stewart. Like one of those. I would love. She'd be badass, I think. I mean, you wouldn't know the people that I think should be on it because they're just like. I think. I think we need regular New York people.

[Tamara Judge]

Jenny from the vlog.

[Erin Lichy]

Don't you agree?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. I think you need some just regular New York people.

[Erin Lichy]

That's what we need. Like, regular New York people who don't give a. Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

What's going on with Raquel?

[Erin Lichy]

I don't know. I honestly don't know what they're doing with the show. Like, they don't tell me anything. Probably because I have a big mouth.

[Tamara Judge]

One housewife doesn't have a big mouth.

[Erin Lichy]

Some people are good at. Better at keeping things together than I am.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Until they have a few drinks and then it's like talking, talking, talking.

[Erin Lichy]

That's the other thing. I like to have more drinks of our cast, hopefully. I know that sounds.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, Carol Radzwell is kind of been in the press again, which got people thinking.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. And she had a big feud with Andy, and then they made up, and then she started doing this press tour, and then people are. And I think she's going to Bravo Con, if I'm not mistaken.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Erin Lichy]

And people are like, yeah, wait, should I find out?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, I think she. I. I think she definitely is going to Bravocon. And so now.

[Tamara Judge]

So now you know, instantly people think that she's coming back.

[Erin Lichy]

I mean, that could be kind of fun.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Erin Lichy]

I don't know. I haven't heard anything about that.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. Text her and say, are you going to Bravocon?

[Erin Lichy]

Wait. Or the OGs are going to Bravo Con, Right?

[Tamara Judge]

Not all of them. Oh, no, not all of them.

[Erin Lichy]

Who's going?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. You guys know Dorinda? Who else?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Dorinda. Luann.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

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[Tamara Judge]

Luann. I think that's it, right?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I think so. That's all.

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[Tamara Judge]

But I also. I. I also feel like when BravoCon tickets come out, people want to see some of these OGs. Like, I know Vicki's coming.

[Erin Lichy]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

She hasn't been on her show for.

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[Erin Lichy]

Right, right.

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How are you?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Good. We're.

[Tamara Judge]

We're getting there. We're getting there. You know, I've known her for 20 years. She's like a sister.

[Erin Lichy]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

You know, she says things, and then, you know, I say things back, and then we meet in the Middle, like, it's one of those things where we can have conflict and resolution and we can move forward.

[Erin Lichy]

Ideal.

[Tamara Judge]

Honestly, you know, and I think one of the. The biggest factors of us reconnecting was she reached out to Teddy when she was sick and sent her a present. I mean, the present was a picture of her face. A coloring book with her face on it.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

But lots of other things were not.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

In the coloring book. Yeah. Does the name Chanel Jones mean anything to you?

[Erin Lichy]

No. Who's that?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

There's a rumor she's the new. A newbie.

[Erin Lichy]

I'm not so much. Huh.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I know you're good at playing coy. Also, I've learned.

[Tamara Judge]

She'S like, I don't want to get in trouble.

[Erin Lichy]

Yeah, listen, that for. For sure. I don't know that person.

[Tamara Judge]

Chanel Jones, did the show inspire you for your new cookbook?

[Erin Lichy]

Yeah, I think, like, I. People responded to a lot of the. The, you know, like, Shabbat I hosted and the Shakshuka Day, and just like, oh, I'm always having dinner and family and friends over. And I. I realized that it's something that I just do normally and it's not a normal thing that people do. And I really enjoyed sharing it, you know, with everybody. I really did.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, there'll be a recipe for that.

[Erin Lichy]

A recipe for Shakshuka.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Erin Lichy]

Oh, yes.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, good. For sure.

[Erin Lichy]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

I think that that is, you know, with so much toxic environment in this industry, the. One of the really good positives of being on this platform is you do get to write books. You do. Like, Angie K. Is making a sunglass line because she wears sunglasses. My daughter's a musician and mentioned a musician on her show. The musician reached out to her and sent her merch and tickets to go to the concert and a meet and greet and all that stuff. So, you know, that is the positive.

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[Tamara Judge]

That's kind of the best part of it.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Totally. I was going to say, what's your least and favorite part about being on the show when it was filming?

[Erin Lichy]

Well, two things were my least favorite. One was logistics were really hard for me to, like, figure out, at least in the beginning. And then, like, I started to get the hang of it. But it's like, you know, it's a lot. It's a lot of your time. You just don't realize. So, like, you kind of have to rethink the way that you run a business or work, because it's like, when you're filming, it's like blackout time. And then also just like, the level of nastiness that some people are capable of behaving, like, it's shocking the way.

[Tamara Judge]

The lies is what gets me.

[Erin Lichy]

Well, that's. I'm. I feel like I'm so used to that from what we went through last season. You mean, like, people cast.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, they cast lying about you and making up stories about you. And, you know, this season, I've had an affair, and I drug somebody, and it gets to a point where you're like, is that really worth it, right, to have those things talked about, about you that are absolutely lies.

[Erin Lichy]

That's how Uber felt.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, I was gonna say, do you blame Bren and UBA for the long pause?

[Erin Lichy]

I mean, I certainly don't blame uba. I don't think she really did anything wrong there, but I don't either. That was a pretty crazy, like. And I. And it was hard because she didn't. Like, it's as though Bryn didn't really even understand what she did wrong after. It's like, dude, you know, you made a claim that she was sex shaming you after knowing this crazy story that she clearly did not know. And also, everyone that even watches the show knows how UBA is. Like, she's someone that if she heard something like that, like, she would run it down, you know, a hill. She would chase it. She'd be like, is that okay? Is everything, like. So it was just. It was just a crazy claim. And it was pretty awful. It was pretty awful. It was pretty dark, to be honest.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I mean, that reunion was really hard to watch.

[Erin Lichy]

It was really hard to watch. It was hard for me to watch. And I was there living it.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Living it. Yeah, for sure.

[Erin Lichy]

But I'd say the best part is going through real things that are happening, sharing them, and having, like, such an outpouring of community of people who are like, wow, like this, you know, helped me so much because I'm going through it, too. And, like, when I told that story on Glamour and so many people came out of the woodwork being like, well, I just told my parents now that I had, you know, an abortion when I was younger, and I.

[Tamara Judge]

And you actually had your dad on the show and you told him in real time.

[Erin Lichy]

Yeah. Yeah. Just like, I guess the sense of community that you get from that, like, people with sick parents or, like, just whatever it is, it's. It's like, I would have felt so much better, my younger self if I could have seen, like, watched a show and had that sense of connection if someone was going through something like that. That I identified with. So that's, like, I think the nicest part of. Of the show.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Me going through therapy, I exposed something that I had never told my mom or my dad. Something that happened to me when I was 12 or 13 years old in our own backyard at a party. And I was so, like, I'm like, I need to know if it's even going to be on the show to tell my mom, because I don't even know if I have the courage to tell her. And they cut it out completely.

[Erin Lichy]

Wow. Wow.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I didn't even know that.

[Tamara Judge]

No, I know.

[Erin Lichy]

Crazy feeling where it's like, you really do forget that the cat. Like, people don't realize it, but it's like you're just being authentic and forget that you're, like, filming a show. It's wild.

[Tamara Judge]

If you're good, you do. If you're calculated and you're, you know, producing yourself.

[Erin Lichy]

Right.

[Tamara Judge]

That's a different story.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So why exactly do you think there was a break?

[Erin Lichy]

Well, I think, like, a multitude of reasons. I think they needed to figure out, like, what was going to happen to us as a group after that kind of fallout. I think they wanted. I don't know, I guess they wanted to, like, shake things up a little and see how it could progress in, like, a healthier way. And, I mean, we need to be having, I think, also more fun. Yeah. Like, we do have fun, you know, like, we're fun girls. We go out, we have fun, we drink, we laugh. Like, that.

[Tamara Judge]

That part, I think it's a casting situation. I think that the part of the cast didn't work, and now they're trying to figure it out. And it's very hard to recast an original show totally because don't you feel like you're always compared to the OGs?

[Erin Lichy]

Yes, but the other thing is, and I feel strongly about this, is I feel like people forget that it always takes a few seasons for a show to gel.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Absolutely.

[Erin Lichy]

Even Salt Lake I wasn't into. I mean, now it's like, on the COVID of Us Weekly, but, like, I wasn't into it for a couple seasons, you know, and then it was, like, really started gelling and getting really, really good. And I think it just takes a minute for, like, everything to. To, like.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, it takes a minute for the audience to get to know the person.

[Erin Lichy]

Right, right.

[Tamara Judge]

And people aren't invested in new people. Like, they are with familiar faces.

[Erin Lichy]

Right, Exactly.

[Tamara Judge]

And I think that. That, like, I don't know, it.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It.

[Tamara Judge]

They're going to figure it out and you'll be back.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Is there anybody that's going to be at BravoCon that you're like, oh, no, I've had this awkward exchange with, or is there anyone you're really excited to see?

[Erin Lichy]

That's such a good question. Have I had awkward experiences of anyone? Not really, to be honest. Not really.

[Tamara Judge]

Are there other housewives from other franchises that you're close with?

[Erin Lichy]

Definitely. Definitely a couple Beverly Hills Girls. A couple housewives, particularly. Definitely some of the Salt Lake City.

[Tamara Judge]

Heather Jabrow has always spoke very kindly of you.

[Erin Lichy]

Love Heather. Love Heather. We had. We have a lot of fun, like, with our husbands together, because they like each other, so they're just a really funny couple, I think. I really like them together. I just think they're hilarious. Also, I am very impressed with how they can drink. I have to say that I'm impressed.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Like, speaking of, we need. We need more of yours.

[Erin Lichy]

Oh, yes, I know, I know. Well, I'll have it at Bravicon. I have a booth.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, you do?

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, that's awesome. How's it going?

[Erin Lichy]

Cool. It's going so well, knock on wood. It's, like, really, really going well. Our sales have doubled, you know, each year. I mean, we've only been around for a year and a half, but we're on track to fully double our sales from last year, so.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And how do people get it?

[Erin Lichy]

Well, we're in a lot of. We're in tons of stores and restaurants. We are actually not moving out of the Northeast for now because of, like, that's just our strategy. And I guess that's, like, how you're supposed to do it in liquor sales. Like, I was like, come on, let's get into South Florida, and we should be in la. But they're like, no, that's not how we do it. We need, you know, for. If we were to get a strategic investor, they would want to expand us. So we're just crushing it in the Northeast for now. We're actually. We just got a big order from Costco, which is, like, huge.

[Tamara Judge]

That's huge.

[Erin Lichy]

I was so excited when I saw that. I was like, can I go do a video there? So, yeah, no, it's good. It's good.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Congratulations.

[Erin Lichy]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Tamara Judge]

So why did you decide to move? Was it because you needed another bedroom because you have a new kid or.

[Erin Lichy]

We needed more space. And when we moved from Tribeca, we really. We're just, like, moving uptown to, like, figure out where we wanted to be. It wasn't our forever spot. But now we're very happy and settled. We're also house people.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. If you could go to another franchise, which would it be?

[Erin Lichy]

People always ask me this, and I always say Miami.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Miami.

[Tamara Judge]

Really?

[Erin Lichy]

Yeah, because I'm New York. Miami connection is like. Like, I have so much family in Miami, and I would, if I were to live somewhere else, probably would be Florida.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, me too. I love Florida.

[Tamara Judge]

You told us about your Mezcal Brown, but you didn't tell us the name of it. So our listeners want to hear the name.

[Erin Lichy]

It's called Mescaloom. We. If you're going to be at BravoCon, stop by our booth. Abe the babe is coming in for one day at the booth. I have my mescaline. Marketing girls. They'll be there. And you can. You can order it online.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, you can.

[Tamara Judge]

What is the difference between Tequila and Mezcal? I don't know the difference.

[Erin Lichy]

So this is very controversial right now because a lot of. A lot of tequila brands are getting sued. Tequila only has to be, by Mexican law, 51 pure agave. So the minute a brand gets sold or, you know, they feel like changing the ratio of pure agave to additives, it becomes very additive heavy. So there are a bunch of tequila brands, big ones that you know, that are getting sued because they're claiming to be additive free and they're not. By Mexican law, Mezcal has to be 100% pure agave. What I noticed was missing in the marketplace was there wasn't like a non smoky.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

That's what I was going to ask you.

[Erin Lichy]

I'm going to. I'll send you a package. Like, I'll get your address, because that's.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

My only issue is that I don't love the smoky.

[Erin Lichy]

Yep. Mine is not smoky. It's very. It, like, replaces the tequila, and it's so much better for you. And liquor is typically a blind spot for people. It's like, oh, I'll have a vodka soda. But it's like, what's in the vodka? And we all eat healthy. We think about what we're eating, but we don't think about liquor. I mean, it's becoming more prevalent. People are starting to think about it more. But Mezcal has to be 100% pure agave by design, by law. So you're getting a way better product. Like, doctors will say, obviously, don't recommend you drink, but if you were to drink anything, you drink Mezcal because it's like a. It's a probiotic. Like, it has all it's Crazy.

[Tamara Judge]

Is it upper, like tequila?

[Erin Lichy]

Totally. It's all agave. It's all agave. And the thing is about the flavor profile, which is how I was able to make it non smoky is tequila can only be made by blue Weber agave, which is one agave species. So, like, as soon as that starts getting over harvested, they start, you know, using younger and younger agaves. The flavors kind of sucks, and it's like, not as good. But Mezcal can be made from 80 different type of agave species. So I use a quiche, which is a wild agave, which really, like, cut the smoke.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, the cool thing is, is hearing you talk about it, you actually really know about your business.

[Erin Lichy]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Where you talk to some housewives and you're like, so tell us about your new business.

[Tamara Judge]

And I was just thinking that pulling.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Up a piece of paper, looking around at the reps, like.

[Tamara Judge]

That was good.

[Erin Lichy]

It's a real business, I swear. Yeah, that's good.

[Tamara Judge]

What recipe from your cookbook should we tackle first?

[Erin Lichy]

Oh, what do you guys like? I have so many different types of recipes.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Things that are easy that my kids will also eat.

[Erin Lichy]

Okay. I have a lot. I have actually a lot of recipes for kids. I have, like, a homemade Mac and cheese with broccoli that is, like, always a crowd pleaser. I have, like, really easy chicken dishes. I have a really great, actually, Thanksgiving turkey recipe.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, I'm gonna need that.

[Erin Lichy]

You put rice in the turkey. It's like a stuffing, and you cook it with the juices, and it's the most flavorful, like, soft.

[Tamara Judge]

Wait, so you put. You don't have to cook the rice first. You cook it as it's in, like, you stuff it in the turkey.

[Erin Lichy]

It's like a crazy.

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[Erin Lichy]

It is crack. Like, I'm telling you, never had crack.

[Tamara Judge]

But I'm willing to try anything once.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Maybe a Bravo con.

[Erin Lichy]

No, I'll bring some goodies. Rabicon.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Don't worry.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, I'm gonna need. I'm gonna need a copy of this cookbook, because Thanksgiving is coming up before we know it.

[Erin Lichy]

Yeah, we've got some good Thanksgiving recipes and that.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

That.

[Tamara Judge]

Yes. Do you mix it with, like, liquids, or does the liquids from the turkey actually cook the rice?

[Erin Lichy]

You mix it with liquids.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Okay.

[Erin Lichy]

And it comes. You cook it also for 10 hours. It's the, like, turkey is not good. It's dry. It's, like, gross. But this turkey is. It's insane. Like, it's. I'm telling you, it's my grandma's recipe. We make it every Thanksgiving. It is unbelievable.

[Tamara Judge]

Do you cook your turkey in a bag or just in a.

[Erin Lichy]

No, one of those really big. I actually use this all clad, like, massive.

[Tamara Judge]

Yes, I have one of those.

[Erin Lichy]

Yeah, I love that.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But the.

[Tamara Judge]

But the bag is foolproof for people like me and Teddy.

[Erin Lichy]

Well, I. I feel like I wouldn't know how to do a bag because, like, wouldn't it fall and like slip and. Isn't that tough?

[Tamara Judge]

No, because you put it in the big pot. It just keeps it moist.

[Erin Lichy]

Okay.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I love that you think that I can cook a turkey, Tamara. That I have cooked one in a bag.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, I mean, one time my mom put marijuana in our mashed potatoes.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

What?

[Tamara Judge]

Yes. I'm like. She's like, I had. I had this weed and I just thought, maybe I'll mix it in the mashed potato. I'm like, mom, really?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

How'd it taste?

[Tamara Judge]

You couldn't really taste it. That's how well our cooking skills over here are in this family.

[Erin Lichy]

That's very funny. That's a first.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, that is definitely a first. Are you going to bring some of your dishes to BravoCon? That might be a little tough, right?

[Erin Lichy]

It's going to be tough, but I'm going to bring some books.

[Tamara Judge]

So you'll be selling your cookbooks and your alcohol.

[Erin Lichy]

So we're not selling the alcohol, we're just tasting it. We were there last time. It was just so fun to like meet everybody and throw merch out and give shots and it was just fun.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

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[Tamara Judge]

So let's say you don't get asked. I know you are. You're not going to get asked back. Are you going to be bummed? Are you going to be like, it was a great experience.

[Erin Lichy]

I think if I was not asked back, I would, being honest, to find a way to do something else in media because I do like it. Yeah. I do have fun with it. You know, I think that there are certain people that like to be behind the scenes and certain people that like to be front facing and I think I like to be front facing.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So is there anything you'd change about some of your past decision making?

[Erin Lichy]

Not really. I mean, yeah, I could be. Like I wouldn't do. I mean. But now I don't really care.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You seem pretty chill.

[Erin Lichy]

I mean it's just like, like you can't be per. I feel like if you're gonna do a reality show, you just can't try to be perfect because it's just doesn't work.

[Tamara Judge]

It doesn't work.

[Erin Lichy]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

And it shows. Like the camera never lies. So if you're gonna go up there and you're gonna self produce yourself, it never works.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Just.

[Erin Lichy]

And it's also, it's like tacky. You know, it's like you want to be. If you're gonna do. If you're gonna decide to be on a reality show, you need to show your life like you just do. Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, for sure.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Do you think there's anyone on your cast that doesn't actually do that? That is a little phony baloney.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, that's a yes.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I mean, you have a tell when you smile like that.

[Tamara Judge]

That's a yes.

[Erin Lichy]

I'm the worst. I mean, yeah, a little bit. Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Are you still in real estate?

[Erin Lichy]

I mean, I have my license, actually. Just renewed it because you have to do it every two years, but you.

[Tamara Judge]

Have to do it every two, so I have mine, too, but I have to renew it every four.

[Erin Lichy]

Lucky. Every two years. So annoying. 22 and a half hours, but I'm.

[Tamara Judge]

Like, one of those people. I'm like, I'm never letting it go.

[Erin Lichy]

No, you. And you shouldn't. Because it's like, even if you buy something yourself, you can represent yourself and say, right.

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[Tamara Judge]

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[Erin Lichy]

Exactly. And it's a great. It really is a great business to just, like, have and do on the side. Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yep.

[Erin Lichy]

So I'm, like, into. I've always been, but, like, now I'm starting to get back into flipping, and that's really where I want to be. If I'm doing it, that's what I'm going to be doing.

[Tamara Judge]

How's the market in New York?

[Erin Lichy]

Weird. There's like.

[Tamara Judge]

It's weird here.

[Erin Lichy]

Is it? Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Erin Lichy]

You know, it's really strange. You know how, like, markets used to have seasons and it used to be like, oh, the fall season is great. Time to move. And then the spring season is when everybody ramps up. Look, it's like that doesn't exist anymore. It's just like, we don't know when it's going to perk up. Very strange.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, that is strange.

[Erin Lichy]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But I feel like the whole world.

[Erin Lichy]

Is weird right now.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. Why?

[Erin Lichy]

What's. Is it still post Covid? Like, what's happening? I don't know.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I know. Are we.

[Tamara Judge]

The world's ending. The world's ending happening.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

We're like. Are we doom and gloom over here today on the twat seat? Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

But it is true. The world is weird.

[Erin Lichy]

It's weird.

[Tamara Judge]

It's so divided and so much hate.

[Erin Lichy]

And, you know, everyone needs to chill a little bit.

[Tamara Judge]

And it has been since.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. Did you have any postpartum or anything like that after your baby or everything was.

[Erin Lichy]

No. I feel like I didn't deal with my Grief.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So I was gonna say, how's everything with your family?

[Erin Lichy]

Not great. Like, it's hard. And I think I. I really avoided thinking about it while I was pregnant, probably to, like, protect my pregnancy. But after the fact, it started to really set in. It was just. It's been hard, to be honest. Very hard.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And how are you? How are you coping now?

[Erin Lichy]

It's not easy. Like, I. I think I'm allowing myself to feel a little bit more, which has helped because it's like, I'm not repressing, but I mean, there are days where I'm like, how is this my reality? Like, it almost feels, like, not real.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Erin Lichy]

So I don't know. I'm trying to journal, do things that I would never normally do, like meditate and just calm myself down a little. Because when I start thinking about, you know, like, when you start thinking about something that makes you nervous and you start panicking.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Erin Lichy]

It kind of happens when I realize that he's, like, not there.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, very true.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. We're thinking about you and we appreciate you taking the time to come on.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. And let everybody know where you can. They can order your book.

[Erin Lichy]

You can get it on Amazon, you can get it at Barnes and Noble, wherever, you know, you buy your books. And I'm actually. Your listeners might like this. I'm going to give away one of my Bravicon tickets. So what? Yeah. If you buy a book, send a screenshot or email, like, your receipt to juliarindanalicci.com and you could win a chance to go to Bravo Conversation.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

That's really cool. That's such a smart idea.

[Erin Lichy]

You know, last. Last year, last time we all went to Bravo Con, I had like an extra ticket and I gave it away to one of the fan accounts. And this girl was like, you changed my life. Like, I started a business because of this and it, like, was the best experience ever. So I'm like, I. I'll do it if I can, you know, why not?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, why not?

[Tamara Judge]

That's so sweet.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, thank you again and we appreciate you taking the time. And we can't wait to see you at Bravo.

[Erin Lichy]

Same. Can't wait to see you guys.

[Tamara Judge]

It's gonna be fun. Tell Abe we said hi.

[Erin Lichy]

I will, I will. Okay. Bye.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Bye.

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[Erin Lichy]

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[Erin Lichy]

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

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