The Twot Seat: KATIE THURSTON

Summary

Podcast Summary: Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge

Episode: The Twot Seat: KATIE THURSTON

Date: August 26, 2025
Guest: Katie Thurston

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Episode Overview

In this heartfelt and candid episode, Teddi Mellencamp welcomes Katie Thurston—former Bachelor and Bachelorette star—onto “The Twot Seat.” The conversation centers on Katie's unexpected breast cancer diagnosis, her ongoing stage 4 journey, and the impact it’s had on her life, relationships, and perspective. Together, Teddi and Katie openly compare their cancer experiences, discuss the realities of living in the public eye while ill, the challenges of treatment and fertility, and redefine ideas of beauty, strength, and what it means to live with purpose and hope.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Katie’s Diagnosis Journey

[06:58 – 11:04]

• Katie found a lump in her breast at age 34, initially assuming it was benign due to prior experiences and lack of family history.
• After finally getting checked, she received a stage 3 triple positive diagnosis in LA. Relocating to New York, her diagnosis shifted to stage 4, HER2 negative—changing her entire treatment plan.
• The diagnosis timing collided with major personal events: ending a lease, moving cross-country, being engaged, and her husband's world tour.

“I just started, like, crying because I just, I knew my gut… And then when they didn’t say anything, I just started crying… I’ve never even had a mammogram yet.” — Katie Thurston [08:00]

2. Navigating Treatment and New Realities

[11:04 – 14:34]

• Katie shares the difference in treatment: as stage 4 HER2 negative, she is on an oral targeted therapy instead of traditional chemotherapy, which has successfully shrunk her tumors.
• Side effects include memory loss, fatigue, vision issues, and hair thinning.
• Both Teddi and Katie reflect on how cancer affects daily functioning, requiring family and work flexibility.

“There’s always a breast cancer cell circulating somewhere… But I’m very optimistic in medical advancements.” — Katie Thurston [11:49]

3. Coping Strategies and Finding Community

[17:32 – 20:28]

• Katie found solace and distraction in seeking out others’ cancer journeys on TikTok before publicly sharing her own.
• Both women note the validation found in connecting with people who genuinely “get it.”
• Katie describes going public as “healing,” highlighting the community and mutual support.

“There is comfort in that… [knowing] you’re not alone.” — Teddi Mellencamp [19:56]

4. Relationship Changes and Communication

[21:03 – 23:59]

• Katie details the impact on her new marriage: open communication is critical due to her medically induced menopause and emotional swings.
• She describes learning not to feel guilty about emotional needs and advocating for self-care.
• Introduction of a “cooling watch” for hot flashes, which both find fascinating.

“You have to be so guilt-free in taking care of yourself… You’ve earned it.” — Katie Thurston [14:14]

5. Lifestyle Changes & Public Responses

[24:10 – 24:52]

• Katie is honest about making some lifestyle tweaks, but also emphasizes living life with joy (“I just want to live my life, you know. Don’t critique me…”).
• Both share relief in taking things one “bite” at a time and being less rigid about routines.

6. Fertility & Family Planning

[29:12 – 32:44]

• Due to her cancer being hormone positive, Katie underwent one round of IVF pre-treatment, resulting in two embryos.
• She cannot carry a pregnancy herself and will use a surrogate. She describes the anxiety and hope tied to this process.
• They swap IVF war stories and frustrations with public misconceptions.

“We did IVF one time. It was so hard. As you know, I don’t like needles…. Right now, we only have two.” — Katie Thurston [29:39]

7. Self-Advocacy & Medical Lessons

[45:32 – 52:02]

• Both discuss the dangers of delayed follow-up (“I had the lump maybe seven months before I got it checked out… There’s moments where I like really regret not going in sooner…”).
• Katie’s advice: push back against dismissive doctors, insist on all relevant screenings, and learn basic medical terminology (“malignancy,” etc.).

“Tell your doctor to put [‘too young for cancer’] in your chart then and see how quickly their tune changes.” — Katie Thurston [47:28]

8. Life Perspective Shifts

[37:46 – 40:56]

• Katie says cancer deeply altered what she values—life itself, not surface-level beauty.
• Both hosts discuss letting go of perfectionism and embracing gratitude for little daily victories.

“What’s beautiful is, like, life now… every wrinkle is like a blessing…” — Katie Thurston [38:15]

9. Realities of Intimacy

[35:04 – 36:56]

• Katie openly acknowledges that her sex life has changed drastically due to menopause and treatment, discussing these challenges honestly.
• Laughs and moments of empathy arise over “Dying for Sex” (a show/podcast) and the hilarious realities of intimacy post-diagnosis.

10. Views on Reality TV & Bachelor/Bachelorette

[57:17 – 66:48]

• Katie reflects on her time in the Bachelor franchise, expressing that she wishes she hadn’t taken events as seriously; her illness put things in perspective.
• She rarely watches reality TV now (“I know too much now”), except for specific series like “Traders.”
• Reveals she was an “unexpected pick” as Bachelorette, coming in 11th on her season, and faced pressure as the “shocking pick.”

“None of it really mattered… I just wish I was just, like, more chill.” — Katie Thurston [57:37]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• [05:09] Katie Thurston: “Hi, I’m from the Bachelor, the Bachelorette, and we have cancer. I don’t know. That’s my intro.”
• [14:14] Katie Thurston: “You use that cancer card all the time. You earned it… be so guilt free in taking care of yourself.”
• [19:08] Katie Thurston: “I just had to be, like, so, like, raw and true to, like, my life of what’s going on and, and share that. And it’s been more healing than I expected…”
• [38:15] Katie Thurston: “I find, like, what’s beautiful is, like, life now… I care less about, like, cellulite or weight gain or whatever, because I’m just, like, every day, I’m just, like, happy to be here now.”
• [52:08] Katie Thurston: “The beginning is the hardest and that it gets better.… once you get through all those unknowns and you have answers, like, you start to… figure out what your new life is like… once you’re on the other side of all of this… you’re like, holy, what a year.”

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Highlighted Timestamps for Key Segments

• Katie’s Diagnosis Story: [06:58 – 11:04]
• Treatment Explained (targeted therapy): [11:04 – 12:29]
• Perspective on IVF and Fertility: [29:12 – 32:44]
• Relationship and Emotional Changes: [21:03 – 24:10]
• Coping Mechanisms & Going Public: [17:32 – 20:28]
• Doctor Mistrust, Self-Advocacy: [45:32 – 52:02]
• Life and Beauty Realignment: [37:46 – 40:56]
• Reflections on Reality TV: [57:17 – 66:48]

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Conclusion & Final Advice

• Advocate for your health: Push for tests, don’t ignore symptoms, and educate yourself.
• Community is everything: Finding those who relate makes a difference.
• Be kind to yourself: Drop the guilt, let others help, and live on your own terms.
• Redefine normal: Your life and body will change—focus on joy in small moments, not arbitrary milestones.
• Stay hopeful: There’s always a plan B, C, and D—research is advancing, and others are living full lives with stage 4 diagnoses.

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Where to Follow Katie

• Instagram: @thekatiethurston

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This summary faithfully captures the open, supportive, and deeply human tone of the conversation, offering practical and emotional insights for anyone facing cancer, infertility, or simply seeking inspiration and a reality check from public figures living through life’s hardest moments.

Transcript

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[Katie Thurston]

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[Katie Thurston]

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[Teddy Mellencamp]

Two T's.

[Teddy Mellencamp (co-host or guest)]

In a pod with Teddy Mellencamp and.

[Katie Thurston]

Tamara Judge hi guys.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Welcome to another episode of the Twat Seat and I am very excited to have a very special guest today, Katie Thurston. Katie was originally on the Bachelor and then she became the Bachelorette. The reason that I wanted to have her on today, not only did I love watching her on both of those shows is she also is struggling with cancer. She has breast cancer, I think stage four. And so I just wanted to talk to her about all the things. I mean, I know at some point she wanted to start a family. I know she recently got engaged and married since being diagnosed. So let's dig into it. Oh yeah, that's the name of the pod that you're on right now. So love it.

[Katie Thurston]

What did you just call me?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Can you guess who's on? If you watch something other than the Real Housewives, then you've probably already recognized this voice. But it's I'm having somebody on because they've really touched my heart and it's taught me a lot and she's taught me a lot. And so I wanted to come on and have this conversation and there's no better person that I would want to have on to have this conversation than Katie Thurston.

[Katie Thurston]

Hi, I'm from the Bachelor, the Bachelorette, and we have cancer. I don't know. That's my intro.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

That's how you become a twat. I already teared up when I first saw you.

[Katie Thurston]

I Like, can't make eye contact with you for too long. I will just start crying.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, my gosh. So I'm gonna go into this interview like, we know nothing.

[Katie Thurston]

Yeah, that's fine.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And then any questions you have back for me, feel free to ask. I'm sure I'll chime in whether I should or not.

[Katie Thurston]

It's fine. I love it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And as I told her, I was like, listen, there are sometimes during the interview that I may pause or get a little confused. And when you said same, that's when.

[Katie Thurston]

I wanted to cry the most. I was like, I feel like I'm talking to myself right now. Like, it's unfortunately very relatable. So, like, I will, like, stutter or, like, forget complete things, and it's scary sometimes. And even in text. Text is good so far. I do a lot of voice memos to, like, that's the easiest thing. Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Thank you for saying that. Because everyone's like, teddy, you and the voice memos. And I'm like, I don't email anymore. Yeah. Text or voice memo.

[Katie Thurston]

Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

So I'm like, I can't add that additional. So first and foremost, congratulations. You're. You're a wife now.

[Katie Thurston]

I'm a wife. I like the word husband. My husband. Yes.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

The rumor. You find a child.

[Katie Thurston]

You know, I'm busy nowadays, but, yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

We wanted to have Katie on because there's just so much that there is to learn. And I think that you are, like, everything that I've seen that you've talked about has just been so inspiring for me. I know we have different types of cancers, but do you mind telling me a little bit about how you came to find out where you are now?

[Katie Thurston]

Yeah. It was obviously very unexpected. I think anyone who has cancer is not expecting. Was the beginning of the year, and I was like, I should do, like, my health checks. You know, at the time, engaged. I want to maybe start a family. So let's just, you know, check on some things, including this lump that I had. And I. I'd had a lump before, and it was a benign cyst. And I kind of was holding onto that thought and was like, oh, there's no urgency. However, when I went in, they, you know, referred me to the specialist, which is normal. I had to wait for, like, a few weeks for that. And then it was that appointment. I was like, oh, things are more serious than I thought. You know, they're doing the breast ultrasound, and they're not saying anything. And you can just hear her, like, take photo after photo after photo. I'M like, oh, she sees something. You know, I remember with my first breast ultrasound in my 20s, early 20s, they told me right away, oh, it's nothing. You know, I was kind of holding my breath for that. And then when they didn't say anything, I just started, like, crying because I just. I knew my gut. And they're like, well, can you do a mammogram today? I'm like, I've never even had a mammogram yet.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, you're so young.

[Katie Thurston]

Yeah. And then I was like, yeah. And so, you know, get the mammogram. And, you know, the. The girl who was helping me, she didn't know anything at the time. I was like, already panicking. She's like, oh, it's fine. Just a mammogram. And I was like, okay, but we're looking for breast cancer. And then same thing. When she did the mammogram, she was kind of like, her tone changed. She was more like, soft and nurturing and kind of like, it's okay, you know? And I was like, shoot, something's going.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I know. It's almost harder when you can start to read how the other person's feeling. You feel like you can feel it.

[Katie Thurston]

Oh, I'm a big energy person, which is also why I, like, cried almost, like, when I saw you, like, oh, I can feel this energy. But yeah. So then. Then they're like, okay, well, we got to do a biopsy. And so I was in this, like, really tough place in terms of, like, I was about to turn in my keys in la. Like, my lease was up. I was supposed to be traveling for two months, like, basically homeless, you know, on the road with my now husband. And then that's when I was like, what do we do? My husband, who was supposed to be traveling, postponed two months of his world tour to be with me, which I didn't know at the time. That was, like, the saving grace for me, because I had no idea, like, what I was about to get into. As you probably know, the beginning is the hardest part of getting a diagnosis. There's so much.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

So how did they initially diagnose you, and what exactly did they say?

[Katie Thurston]

Well, that's the even crazier part. When I was first diagnosed as stage three triple positive, and that was in la.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And what is triple positive mean?

[Katie Thurston]

So hormone positive, like, it feeds off hormones. That's the first, like, plus, plus. And then there's something called HER2 negative or HER. HER2 positive, which is like a HER2 protein.

[Teddy Mellencamp (co-host or guest)]

It's.

[Katie Thurston]

I had I thought breast cancer was breast cancer. There's, there's triple negative, triple positive, and then hormone positive, HER2 negative. It's very complex. But in the, in the beginning, I was stage three triple positive. And then I transferred care from LA to New York, where my husband lives, and now I live too. And you kind of have to get re diagnosed, which was also a weird, like, saving grace because they're like, oh, you're not stage three, you're stage four, which shitty. But then they're like, but also you're not her two positive, you're her to negative. Which meant I didn't have to do chemotherapy, but we didn't. I literally had my port installed. I was one day away from starting chemo and I remember calling my oncologist because you get so many, like, medications right before you start chemo. I was like, I don't understand these instructions, like, what do I do? And she's like, well, hold on, we're waiting. We're still waiting to get confirmation on your HER2 status. And she had never told me. I think she didn't want to give me like this like, false hope of like, oh, maybe I don't have to do it. I'm like, what? Like, I literally just had my port installed, I have my chemo bag packed, and you're telling me, like, tomorrow I might not do chemo. And then that's ultimately what ended up happening is they confirmed that I was misdiagnosed in la. It changed my whole treatment plan. Stage four is the unfortunate part, but I mean, at least they caught it because you are treated differently when you're like stage three versus stage four.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And, and what is, what is the. Because I'm stage four, but mine's melanoma that metastized to my brain and lungs. So what is the difference in treatment when you are stage four?

[Katie Thurston]

So I think when you're stage three, they want to be really aggressive because it hasn't spread yet. So they, they like throw everything at it. And it's very tough on your body. For the type of cancer I have, it was in my liver. But this treatment that just came out maybe four years ago, it's an oral medication. And that's what I do is I take a pill every day, three weeks on, one week off. I don't know, like, the science behind it, but it's. It is tough on my body, but it's working like the tumor in my liver has already shrunk.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

That's huge.

[Katie Thurston]

Congratulations. Thank you. Thank you. The. The breast has Shrunk in size. My next scan is October. And so my. I mean, maybe I'm being a little too optimistic, but I'm like, maybe I'll be no evidence of disease, which is like the term they use for people like us. You know, like technically with breast cancer, I'll never be, you know, cured at this time. It's always, I try to explain it like there's always a breast cancer cell circulating somewhere is how I like simplify it and why I'm not you know, ever going to be like breast cancer free as of now. But I'm very optimistic in like medical advancements and hope, you know, for a great future for people like you and me in terms of what the future holds and what treatments are available and.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

How does the pill make you feel?

[Katie Thurston]

Oh, girl. Well, the, the memory thing is like the thing. I noticed right away. My vision's decreasing, my hair is thinning, I'm tired all the time, which is tough because then they're like, oh, well, to help with the, you know, side effects work out, I'm like. But I'm too tired to do anything. Super forgetful. So when you said that I was like, I felt a little more calm in this interview because like sometimes mid.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

We can fumble around, forget. It's fine. I understand.

[Katie Thurston]

Yeah. And like my like management is great because I'll forget things. And they know like now especially like to hold my hand through things. And I think that's the one like thing we have in our like space that we're in is we have this like freedom to like move at our pace, you know. And if I was like at the bank, which is what I used to do before reality tv, I would have to go on disability because I. There's no way I could work a normal job working with people's money and in private information and at a pace that made sense.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

That's something that just honestly made me feel so much gratitude because you're right. There is absolutely no even me trying to like manage my kids schedules the way that I used to. I can't do it. Like I don't have the ability, like the cognitive ability to like be that set. Yeah, it's like a schedule really stresses me out.

[Katie Thurston]

It sucks because you don't have control the way like we used to, you know. And I was just in Washington where I'm from, and I didn't even have all my hotels planned. I was like booking hotels like the day before because that's all I'm capable of doing. Say, oh my God, I can't believe.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

This is exact or, like, committing to things.

[Katie Thurston]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And then I'm like, once I commit to it, then I'm like, well, I have to do it.

[Katie Thurston]

No. No, you don't. You. You use that cancer card all the time. You earned it. And that's the thing I'm learning is like. Like, you have to be so guilt free in taking care of yourself and putting yourself first. And, like, I have, like, a hundred unread text messages right now that I'm like, I don't know if I'll ever get back.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

154.

[Katie Thurston]

Yes to any of our friends and family listening. It's not personal. It's just the cancer.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

It's just the cancer. We didn't mean it. We didn't mean it. And so this pill, I feel like I've heard there's been a couple of other people that I think have talked about it. So I'm on immunotherapy. I did radiation, and then I did immunotherapy, but nobody's told me anything about this pill. Is it solely for breast cancer?

[Katie Thurston]

I believe it is just for breast cancer. Yeah. And I think they're slowly, like, opening it up to more people, because that's what we want is it's. We call it targeted therapy. So, like, with chemotherapy and why stage three typically gets chemotherapy is they're just attacking it all as fast and as hard as they can, but that also attacks, like, your healthy cells. You know, with targeted therapy, it's like, I overall, for the most part, can feel normal. My, like, white blood cell counts are messed up from time to time, but it's. It's just attacking the tumor. And I think that's what we want going forward for all cancers is like, chemo is so tough on people, but if we can do, like, a focused targeted therapy on our type of cancer and have it work, like, that's like the end game for us.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

What was the moment that it actually really hit you?

[Katie Thurston]

Like, oh, I'll cry. Oh, I think I was still, like, in the middle, like, being diagnosed, and I had just had my mammogram, and the medical system's so messed up because sometimes you get access to your chart before your doctor calls you. And so I. I'd never had a mammogram, and I. I'm sending the screenshot to my mom, and there's what's called the Birad score. And I didn't even know to, like, look that up or know what that meant. And so I sent it to my mom, who then happened to send me, like, the chart of, like, what a birad score four meant in five. And I forget. I think it was like a four. Whatever. It was basically, like, 95% sure this is cancer. That's when it, like, hit me, was like, that, like, Birad score. And a doctor hadn't talked to me about it yet. I think for. For the longest time, I was, like, holding on to, like, oh, it's nothing, it's nothing, it's nothing. But then when I saw, like, oh, it's 95% sure it's cancer, I remember, like, packing up my LA apartment and just being like, I don't even know, like, where I'm going anymore, you know, Like, I. My lease is up. I'm supposed to be traveling. I'm supposed to be moving to New York. My insurance, like, what the am I going to do right now?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Did you have life insurance?

[Katie Thurston]

I had life insurance.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, wow. Now I definitely don't.

[Katie Thurston]

Yeah, that guy sign us up, guys. Yeah. I worked at a bank, so I'd done all these, like, things, like, in my early 20s, thank God. But, yeah, it was just. It didn't run in my family. I was 34. And it just, like, came so unexpectedly.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

When you were waiting for different results from scans or things like that, like, and you were feeling pretty yucky. What did. What were some of the things that you did to help make yourself feel better? Because, like, there's some people I talk to, and they're like, I just laid. I laid, I rested. And some people are like, oh, I felt totally fine. I was like, you know, I didn't fight my friends over for the next day. And I'm like, I feel like I'm on a roller coaster.

[Katie Thurston]

Yeah. At a van. First of all, Xanax, whatever you need. But I think the thing that made me feel maybe distracted was finding other people's stories. Like, I. Before I shared it publicly that I had breast cancer, I was on TikTok, like, looking at hashtags like, breast cancer and. And finding so many young women also with breast cancer and, like, scrolling through their journeys and seeing what's going on. And. And that was when I first realized, like, oh, there's actually a lot of young women with breast cancer, you know, and so because these women were, like, my support, unknowingly to them, I was like, I know when the time comes for me to go public, like, that's gonna be my next, like, chapter purpose is, like, sharing my story in hopes of, like, helping other people as they navigate, like, a really shitty time.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And what made you decide to go? Because a lot of people will ask me the same thing. They're like, why? You know, a lot of people don't say anything because they don't want feedback from other people. Yeah, but what made you decide to open up and share?

[Katie Thurston]

Well, I think, for starters, I mean, we're public people. Like, we're public figures, I guess, is what people would say. And it would be so disingenuous to, like, pretend like, I'm okay when I'm not.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Katie Thurston]

You know, when I was diagnosed, it was valid. Like, around Valentine's Day, all these couples are posting, like, my Valentine. My husband, my boyfriend, all these cute things they're doing. All those hearts and chocolate. And I'm just sitting here, like, knowing I'm about to get the call, which I got the call February 13th, the official call. And I was like, I can't sit here and post like, oh, I'm so happy on Valentine's Day.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Katie Thurston]

I just had to be, like, so, like, raw and true to, like, my life of what's going on and, and share that. And it's been more healing than I expected because it. It's the community. I mean, like, even talking to you, like, when you meet someone who genuinely understands what you're going through, it's so validating. It's so healing. It's so nurturing and protective and. And that's like, what I think keeps me going is the community.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, I would. I would say the same. The community knowing that you're not alone. And then also when you talk to somebody that's also going through it, like, you just taught me something. Like, I have been avoiding looking at other people that have melanoma. And I've been avoiding that because I don't want to start, like, self diagnosing. But. But there is a. There is a comfort in that as well. And so that's huge. And then. But the good news is your tumors are shrinking.

[Katie Thurston]

They're shrinking. Medicine is working. So that's all we can hope for with stage fours. You know, as long as it keeps working, we're good. If it doesn't, there's plan B and C and D all lined up. And, you know, I've met women in my situation who are, you know, 10 years into their metastatic breast cancer. And, and that's what I hold on to. And why I would encourage you to, like, look for other people in your situation. Because, yes, there are unfortunate stories that really have you spiraling, but Also, there's so many good stories that, like, give you hope and keep you motivated. Like, that's going to be me in 10 years. I'm going to be celebrating 10 years of life from now.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And how's it been with your husband? Because, I mean, you got married after you found out. And how. How have you guys been communicating? Because I know that when I was hospitalized or when I've been going through things like my friends, people I've dated, my ex husband. He's not my ex husband, but my. My. What do I call him, Guys?

[Katie Thurston]

He's a life partner.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

He's my. My baby daddy that I'm still married to, that we're not together, but, you know, is what it is. I would. I wasn't on my best behavior. Like, I'd be, like, snarky.

[Katie Thurston]

Yeah, no, it's. It's very valid. I'm also in medically induced menopause. And so with that comes a lot of emotional swings. And I think in the beginning, Jeff wasn't familiar with that, obviously, and we had to have very just like, transparent conversations of, like, I might be a. Right now. It's my emotions, it's my hormones. It's not you. And we've had to figure out how to, like, navigate that because there's moments where you're so angry. You're so angry with your situation, and you're so sad. You're so mad. And then, you know, it's easy to take it out on the person closest to you, you know, And I think we had to just really have honest conversations of, like, how to handle that. And also from my perspective of, like, letting go of the ego and apologizing, because I also can recognize, like, sure, I have cancer. It's not an excuse to be mean to the people in my life. Yeah. Maybe in the heat of it, I was feeling some kind of way, but now that I'm calm and I have my hot flash watch on and I'm feeling cool.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Hold on.

[Katie Thurston]

What is this?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I need this.

[Katie Thurston]

You get hot flashes?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yes, girl.

[Katie Thurston]

This is a life changer. This is not sponsored.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I was like, this is. This is not an ad, but it should be okay.

[Katie Thurston]

Yeah. So it's a cooling watch, because what a hot flash is. And I didn't realize it's. It's a brain thing, not, like a body thing. It's not your body. Yeah. So originally they're like, well, you can. You can take, like, an antidepressant. And I tried, but it's. It's so intense on your Brain. And so what the watch does is it sends a cooling flash to your wrist, which then makes your brain go, oh, you're not hot. You're actually cold. And therefore, like, kind of cancels out that hot flash.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I need this. I need this.

[Katie Thurston]

I will send you the link because I swear by it. And like I said, they won't sponsor me. I don't care. I will still promote them for the rest of my life because it's. It.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

It works so well because I'm on antidepressants right now. Um, but sometimes I feel like they just kind of like. Like, I become a little bit numb. Sure.

[Katie Thurston]

Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And so I'm always looking for ways to expand. Feeling better.

[Katie Thurston]

Yeah, I. I get that. Cause we take so many pills, and so if you can find, like, a natural option out of the 20 other pills you're taking, you're like, that's a win.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

The pills and finding things. Like, do you change your whole. Like, I mean, some people are so incredible. Like, they change their whole diet. They change everything. Meanwhile, like, I'm having a Diet Coke.

[Katie Thurston]

Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Because, like, I need the energy. So, like, did you do, like, a full.

[Katie Thurston]

Yes and no. I mean, you definitely, like, reflect on your life choices, and you're like, where could I be better? Like, I knew I wasn't. And this is so dumb because they teach you all the time. I definitely wasn't drinking my eight glasses of water a day, you know, so now I'm like, drink my water. You know, I was drinking maybe more than I should as a little party girl, but I still, I. I still will. Glass of wine. Like, people will message me all the time, be like, sugar this and wine that. And, you know, it's like, I get it, but, like, I also, I. I just want to live my life, you know, don't critique me on my life choices. Like, I'm choosing the way I want to live and feel good about it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And do the best that you can.

[Katie Thurston]

Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

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[Teddy Mellencamp]

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[Teddy Mellencamp]

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[Teddy Mellencamp (co-host or guest)]

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[Teddy Mellencamp]

Are you. Did I read somewhere that you guys are maybe trying to do some IVF or get pregnant?

[Katie Thurston]

Oh, yes.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

So I went through IVF too. So I fully.

[Katie Thurston]

Brutal, brutal, brutal. Did you do one round or.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I had to do multiple. I mean, my kids are all older now, but I had to do multiple rounds for my son Cruz.

[Katie Thurston]

Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And finally, the last time, they're like, if this time doesn't work.

[Katie Thurston]

Oh, my. And that was Cruise.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, that was Cruise.

[Katie Thurston]

That, like, makes me happy for so many reasons. Yeah. So when I was. When we thought we were going to have to go through chemo, I say we, like, everything's like a partner with him. The one thing they're like, okay, well, you should probably freeze some eggs because it could impact your. Your embryos and. Or your eggs. And so we did IVF one time. It was so hard. As you know, I don't like needles. And then they're just. I had to have him do it. If he wasn't there giving you the shot. Yeah, I, I have to lay down. I would put like, a can of coke like, on my stomach to, like, numb it. I close my eyes, I literally have a scar from, like, digging my nail into, like, my skin. I. I cannot do needles. And like, here I am now getting needles in me every month. But yeah, so we, we did ivf. We. We have two embryos. And so that's when you're like, story, like, gives me hope because two things. I will not be able to carry my own baby because of the type of cancer I have, which means I have to do surrogacy. And when you only have two embryos, you're not guaranteed a success. And so we're really hopeful that when the time comes that we find, like, a good match for us via surrogacy and that that baby takes, because right now we only have two. And I don't know that I will be allowed to do IVF again because my cancer feeds off hormones. And that's all you're doing is giving. You're pumping yourself with hormones. And so, you know, with my treatment working, it's like, the last thing you want to do is be like, well, let's reverse that now, you know, so.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Two embryos is good. Two embryos.

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[Teddy Mellencamp]

That's positive.

[Katie Thurston]

All it takes is one, so.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And I know a couple of my best friends went through surrogacy as well, and they were all successful.

[Katie Thurston]

So, yeah, I'm very. I'm very optimistic. I'm hopeful. It's two girls. I share that publicly, but I just feel compelled to share that with you. So two girls would.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Do you think you would put one in or two?

[Katie Thurston]

I don't know. Like, that's.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Wait to the doctor.

[Katie Thurston]

Yeah. See what the doctor says. See, like, I don't know. The health is of our surrogate. Like, there's so many. That's a whole nother, like, journey that I'm going to be sharing in the future because it's. I don't know. There's so much. And I've been following again, other people went through surrogacy, and it's like, you got to find someone under this age, under this bmi, who's never had a C section. All these, like, weird things that I just don't know about yet. They got to be like, you know, within, like, I don't know, the New York area. Some states don't even allow surrogacy, which. Which is insane, especially coming from someone like me. Like, I'm not doing it because I don't want to have my own baby.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

But even if you didn't want to have your own baby.

[Katie Thurston]

Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Like, it's not somebody else's decision.

[Katie Thurston]

Right. And no one's forcing it, you know? Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Like, it's. I can't understand when people have a problem with that, because it's like, you want a child, and we shouldn't be judged on how that happens.

[Katie Thurston]

Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I mean, I was even judged for doing ivf.

[Katie Thurston]

People do not understand it until they're in it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Are you serious? Like, it is the most. It is brutal. It is hard. And I have friends who have done multiple rounds of IVF and never even gotten an embryo or an egg or. I'm not a doctor.

[Katie Thurston]

No, no. I mean, it's all the same, essentially. Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

What's something you wish people better understood about supporting you through this journey?

[Katie Thurston]

And. Oh, I mean, I think because I've been so public about my feelings, people are doing a really good job at figuring it out. I do think people look at me and just assume I'm okay. You know, they're. They're like, oh, you don't look sick. You don't look like a stage 4 cancer patient, you know, or they see me going out and they're like, you're fine. You know, And I think what people need to really remember is, like, cancer isn't a competition. It's not who has the worst, you know, treatment or the worst type of cancer. Like, the cancer club just sucks. Regardless of, like, stage zero, stage four, it all sucks. And so just really trying to continue to stay supportive and not, like, minimize someone's experience.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, I think minimizing someone's experience and then. But how do you feel when someone comes up to you that you don't know and wants to talk to you about it?

[Katie Thurston]

I'm. I'm happy. I'm. I'm always happy to talk about it. I will typically, like, cry. They'll be like, I'm following your journey, and I already, like, know where this conversations going, and I'll just get emotional with them. But I love it. I want to share. I. I know people like you and I, as we continue to share our own experiences, is. Is making a difference. And I always say, like, turning pain into purpose, and you may never know the impact you might have on someone, but I could say very confidently, you have saved somebody's life, you know, And I think that makes. I don't say it makes this worth it, but if there's someone to have cancer, I feel glad that it's me. I know it sounds like such a weird thing to say, but, like, I have a platform of women that I can, like, educate. I have a career that allows me to, like, continue, you know, at the pace that I can do so. And I have a supportive husband and lifestyle. And it, you know, it's. Cancer sucks, but, like, I'm. I'm happy it's me and not someone else who, like, you know, can't leave their job or, like, doesn't have support.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

How's your. Did your sex life change?

[Katie Thurston]

Yeah, girl. I don't even to be honest. Sorry, Jeff. I don't know. The last time we had sex, right.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Now you're like, I don't know. It's no longer the two times a week, three Times a week?

[Katie Thurston]

Yeah, it's. It's like, there's just so much changes with my body, especially with menopause. Like, things are not the same down there, and that's something. I'm still trying to figure out what to do. And then, of course, he's, like, very sensitive to, like, I don't want to hurt you. You know, and then like, even, like, the breasts, and I'm like, don't touch the breast.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Did you watch Dying for Sex?

[Katie Thurston]

I made it maybe 20 minutes into it, and I could not watch it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I.

[Katie Thurston]

Did you watch the whole thing?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I watched almost the whole thing. Oh, it.

[Katie Thurston]

How did you feel about that?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, I mean, there are parts that I could totally see myself doing. Like the part where, like, she's like, all right, I'm gonna try to watch a porn. And then she doesn't realize she's videoing herself, and she ends up selling the porn.

[Katie Thurston]

Oh, my gosh. Of herself. Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Like, she thinks she's just going online to look. Yeah. But so she goes online, finds, like, a porn or someone to chat with or something like that. And as she's watching it, she's pleasuring herself, but really it's recording her. And then all of a sudden, it sends out, like, this is gonna be sent out to the world wide web. And so she has to call her ex husband and be like, help.

[Katie Thurston]

Oh, my gosh. And this is based on a true story. Yes. Wow.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Because think about the amount of times, like, we click on the wrong stuff now. Like, we talk about how we are with our phone, but I'm like, oh, my gosh. But it was. I mean, it's heartbreaking, but it also. There are things that I was. As I was watching it, I was like, oh, I could see this because for me, there's times where I feel, like, very sexual.

[Katie Thurston]

Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And there are times where I'm like, I can't even imagine going on a date right now. Yeah, I can't even imagine having that type of conversation.

[Katie Thurston]

Yeah, that's like, I hate that for you, because I wouldn't know how to date in. In this situation anymore. Like, I. I feel very, like, fortunate to have Jeff. But, yeah, I know a few friends who are stage four, and they're, you know, in the dating scene, and they just have to, like, lead with it up front. And then they come across people who kind of, like, almost, like, turn into, like, a fetish of, like, I'll be your savior. Or, like, I'll be, like, the hero dating the cancer girl, you know? And so you really have to, like, pick through, like, weirdos to find, like, the genuine guy who also can see, like, hey, like, I'm still me, you know.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Overall, very true. Very true. And how has your perspective on life changed? And, like, even if we go back to, like, the bachelor days.

[Katie Thurston]

Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Bachelorette, like, are there things you look back on and you're like, wow, I wish I would have done this differently.

[Katie Thurston]

I think the first thing that I noticed right away was, like, my view on, like, beauty because, like, it's so, like, beautiful to be alive versus just, like, to be skinny or, like, to be pretty, you know, like, it's hard to understand or to put it into words eloquently, but it's like, I find, like, what's beautiful is, like, life now.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Katie Thurston]

You know, and like, I. I, like, care less about, like, a cellulite or gateway weight gain or whatever, because I'm just, like, every day, I'm just, like, happy to be here now.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Katie Thurston]

You know, I view, like, elderly people, like, with such, like, respect because I'm like, you made it this far. You know, like, you view them and just like, damn, like, good for you. You know, like, every wrinkle is like, a blessing, and every child now is a blessing. Like, I don't know, you just view, like, life almost like you're on, like, drugs. Like, oh, you're on molly. You're like, everything's beautiful now and everything you just appreciate so much more. And, like, the petty that you, like, fought about or, like, grudges, you're just like, none of that matters. Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Like, I don't have. I. I don't have the capacity for it. But when you were just talking about, like, the appearance thing, I was talking to somebody the other day, and I want. I want to say I feel the same way. Like, I. I really want to believe it, because I do.

[Katie Thurston]

Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

But I noticed that the thing that I'm hardest on myself about right now is the appearance stuff. Like, they'll send me a clip from this pod and I'll be like, oh, my gosh, put a filter on that. Like, I can't even with myself right now. And I find myself being hard on myself, and then I have to have that conversation. Like, teddy, you're there, you're working. You're doing the best that you can. You're beautiful. Like, giving myself self positivity versus tearing myself down. Cause it's easy when you're feeling really low to tear your down. Yeah, but you're such. I mean, okay, but your feelings are.

[Katie Thurston]

So valid and real and relatable. Like that's like what you're saying. We all, we as cancer girls, we all go through, you know, and, and it's, I think especially people like us who are like on this like elevated platform of like constantly having to see ourselves on a camera, on a photo, it, it makes it extra hard for sure. And I think I always tell people like cancer is a like of practice lifestyle, like practice mindset because we are going through these like highs and lows. Like as much as you could be like, oh my God, you're so positive. See me last night I was bawling my eyes out. You know, that's the thing people will.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Say to me too. They'll be like, well you're up and you're walking, you're doing things. I'm like, you have no idea what it was like to get there.

[Katie Thurston]

Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And I, my goal is to go one mile.

[Katie Thurston]

Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Like I, before I, I would honestly wake up on a Saturday morning and be like, I'm going to run 10 miles today. Now I'm like, if you can get that one mile in, I'm really proud of you, Teddy.

[Katie Thurston]

Yeah, I think that's great. One, one bite at a time is like my motto because same. Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

What's something you wish people better understood about this entire process?

[Katie Thurston]

Better understood. I, I think the biggest thing I push now is that cancer doesn't discriminate. I think people always thought like young people don't get cancer or like cancer in my family, so I'm safe. And it's like you gotta do all your checks, not just your breasts but your skin and, and talk to your doctor. And I think women are really good about that. Or typically are men. Men. If you're listening, go to the doctor.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Go to the doctor. Go and get your colonoscopy.

[Katie Thurston]

Yes, yes.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And it takes a while to book an appointment. Yes. It's frustrating but like it's worth it.

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[Teddy Mellencamp]

You had said that you had felt your pain for. For a little while in your breast. How long before you actually went in? Because I still to this day can't believe I waited with the headaches for so long.

[Katie Thurston]

I sympathize because I had the lump maybe seven months before I got it checked out. Yeah, not only did I have the lump, I had a scan. You know, those full body scans.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I got a prenuple. I did too.

[Katie Thurston]

Yes. And when I got. I remember getting the results and because I had a benign cyst in the past, the. I remember the nurse. I'll never forget this conversation because, like, like there's always gonna be a little bit of resent towards her and myself for, like you said, for waiting so long. And the way she worded it, I didn't know the word malignancy. Like, that's not a word I use. I don't know what that means. I didn't look it up, you know, But I remember her saying like, oh, it's probably old scar tissue from your lumpectomy when you're in your early 20s and you're of course looking for like confirmation bias and you're like, yeah, totally, of course it's not cancer. That's crazy. And then like, the longer that this lump stay and the bigger it got and the more painful about. I remember looking back at that report and like, kind of like copying and pasting it and then learning. This sounds so stupid, but learning what the word malignancy meant. And in that report it basically said like, it could be, it could cancer. You should get further exploration. Didn't do that. I was not pushed by this. You know, I don't know what her title was, but this person on the phone and yeah, there's moments where I like really regret not going in sooner because maybe I wouldn't have been stage four.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

But also, yeah, it's like I'm the same. I'm like, I had the headaches for like over six months and I had self diagnosed myself with. I'd be like, oh, you have migraines now? Oh, you're going through menopause. And then it took me being like on the floor crying, not being able to move and somebody taking me to the emergency room. Yeah, to the Doctor.

[Katie Thurston]

And it's crazy because I would also wonder, like, had you gone in, like, that first month. I feel like women's health is so downplayed by doctors. Often they're like, they very well might have said it is a migraine, you know, so it. I agree. Like, we can't go back and be like, what if, what if, what if? Because who knows, even then what would have happened? But that's the thing I try to push women especially is like, push for your health, push back on your doctor. Because there's still doctors telling women today, like, oh, you're too young for breast cancer. And that pisses me off. And so I tell them, oh, tell your doctor to put that in your chart then, and see how quickly their tune changes. Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And something else that I've mentioned, which I don't know if you found the same thing, is make sure that even if your doctor doesn't tell you to get the other types of appointments, go get them. Like, you should go get your skin checked.

[Katie Thurston]

Yeah. Oh, I did. I got my skin checked. My colonoscopy's next month.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

A mammogram. Like, we gotta do all. I had to go get a mammogram. Like, we gotta do all of those things. It's not just, just. And your doctor isn't going to hold your hand and tell you, yeah, book all the other appointments. They're going to manage what they're managing.

[Katie Thurston]

Totally. And I, I wish that. I'm so glad you said that because it's also, like, one of those things you, like, learn as you go. And I wish, like, in high school, they're like, by the way, as an adult, here's some things to look out for, you know, and you don't. You don't know. And thank God there's the Internet and social media for, like, education, because otherwise how, like, how are people supposed to know to, like.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And everybody thinks like, oh, well, I don't, I don't need. I don't need this. Because, you know, in my mind I go, well, why do I need to get a mammogram? I got one seven years ago when I got my boobs done.

[Katie Thurston]

Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Like, no, you still have to go back and get it checked.

[Katie Thurston]

Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Like, now that this has happened.

[Katie Thurston]

Yeah. So actually curious about that. Can you. With, I assume, breast implants.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Katie Thurston]

Can you do a mammogram or.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yes, you can still do the mammogram.

[Katie Thurston]

People ask me that. I'm like, I don't know yet because I have my double mastectomy planned in November.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, you do? Are you doing it here?

[Katie Thurston]

I'm going to go to San Francisco. Okay. Yeah, Yeah. I found a surgeon I really like, but I was like, people like, can you still do mammograms? Like, I don't know. I'm learning as I go because.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

So that's something you didn't tell me before. You're getting a double mastectomy?

[Katie Thurston]

Yes. Okay.

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Yep.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And so is that two different surgeons? So you have one surgeon that removes and then one surgeon that puts in an implant. Or are you going to get. My. One of my friends has, like, kind of like a. A bar right here.

[Katie Thurston]

Oh, expanders.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Expanders, yes.

[Katie Thurston]

Yes.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Katie Thurston]

So it all. It all varies. Like, there's. That's a whole complex thing. I am going direct to implant because I'm going to try to stay, like, my same size. An expander comes into play when there's radiation, which will shrink the skin. Or maybe the person wants to maybe have a better, you know, size than what they had. And so you have to expand the skin.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Okay, that makes sense.

[Katie Thurston]

So I found someone who is certified as, I guess, both. I don't know, a surgeon. I don't. Again, I don't know the terminology, but she can do the removal of my breasts and give me my new breasts.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Did they say that there's. Is. Is it the same type of healing as just getting a regular boob job, or is it more intense? Have they told you?

[Katie Thurston]

I feel like it's more intense based on people I've talked to who have had just implants versus a double mastectomy. But I've also heard a lot of people saying, like, their recovery was better than they anticipated. Even my surgeon in San Francisco, she's like, yeah, some of my patients will just, you know, go wine tasting, like, a day or two later. So I'm not, like, banking on that, but it could. Yeah. People. Overall, I feel like it'll be better than I thought, but I'm. If I plan for the worst and it's better, then, like, that's a win.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And did they say you had to have the double mastectomy, or is that a choice?

[Katie Thurston]

That was my choice. It's very interesting, especially a stage of. For. I feel like a lot of us are kind of, like, pushed to the side of, like, well, you have it forever. What's the point? You know? And for me, I had genetic testing done, and I also have what's called, like, an ATM genetic mutation, which slightly increases your chance for breast cancer. And so I was just like, I. I want these off. I want, like, the peace of mind. I don't want any. Like, I want to do anything I can to, like, support. Yeah. And so smart. Yeah. It's like, why wouldn't you? You know? And so a lot of people, it's like 50, 50. Some people are like, my surgeon won't let me. I'm like, maybe that surgeon won't because mine. My immediate one in New York didn't want to do that. She wanted to do a lumpectomy. And I was like, I'll find someone else. And I did. And so that's what I tell other people. I'm like, maybe your immediate surgeon doesn't want to. That doesn't mean you aren't entitled to have one and find someone who will do it for you.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

You have to be an advocate for yourself.

[Katie Thurston]

Yep.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

What advice would you give to somebody else that's going through this?

[Katie Thurston]

I would tell them I'll cry again. I will tell them the beginning is the hardest and that it gets better. I think people will experience the lowest low that they've ever, ever gone through. Like, the pain and. And sadness is. And the. The noises, the cry, the way it cried is like, I didn't know I could cry like that. It is so hard. And I will not downplay that in the beginning. But I. I want to tell you, like, there. There is, like, the other side of it, you know, in the beginning, it's very scary, and there's a lot of unknowns, and you don't know what the hell's going on. And then once. Once you have your plan and. And once you get through all those unknowns and you have answers, like, you start to, like, figure out what your new life is like, it will. You'll never be the same. That's the truth. And. But it gets better. And you just gotta, like, do. Do like you said, like, one. One little step at a time, and. And you get through it. And once you're on the other side of all of this. This chaos, you're like, holy, What a year.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Wow. We've really been it.

[Katie Thurston]

Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Do you have, like, a bucket list?

[Katie Thurston]

Oh, okay. I. Let me tell you, I have a. Some kind of feel with the phrase bucket list, because the term comes from, like, before you kick the bucket and people want to.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, true.

[Katie Thurston]

You know, and. And now that I'm like, stage four, I'm like, I don't want to think like that. And people put this one big item that they want.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Boys ask me, it's.

[Katie Thurston]

Yeah, and look, if you have one. I don't like, this is my own opinion. My own opinion, experience, and thought. It helps me live life. But I don't want to have one big item that I do before I die. I like to have, like, these little, little life moments of, like, what are 100 things I want to do this year? I want to learn to dance with my husband. I want to go rollerblading in Santa Monica. Like, I want to, like, remember to, like, enjoy the little things, you know? And so for me, that's, like, my version of, like, not. I don't know what to call it a bucket list. But, like, I don't want to have one big thing. I want to have 100 little things that remind me to, like, enjoy, like, life. Because, again, happiness. Yeah. Every day we are here, I'm like, holy, I made it another day.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, my God.

[Katie Thurston]

I know.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Is there anything else that you want to share?

[Katie Thurston]

No. I mean, no. I. I just love having, like, a genuine conversation with you. It's been great.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I know. I feel the same way. And for anybody listening, like, this is just honestly a reminder. Go get your checks. It's not. I mean, the fact that we're both able to sit here and have this conversation at iheartradio and, like, be in a studio and do this speaks volumes to why it's important to go get checked. Because if we didn't, who knows if we would be here.

[Katie Thurston]

Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

So I think that's pretty huge. Well, this is a moment for me. Last question. In regards to cancer, when you found out that your tumors were shrinking or when you get good news, do you do any sort of celebration or.

[Katie Thurston]

I didn't even have a chance to when I got my. I think it was a PET scan, maybe CT scan. I don't know. It was a bunch of scans. The results came again through my chart before. I, like, I'm in my Uber on my way home, and the results are already in, and I just, like, read it. Like, I didn't care. I was like, I have to know. And then obviously, my husband and I were celebrating and crying and, Yeah, I don't think I've done anything to celebrate. The hope for us both is February. We were in Hawaii. We were supposed to be having, like, a little vacation together. We hope to kind of get to redo that vacation as our celebration that, like, things are going well. He's also recording his Netflix special in December.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Nice. So Jane allowed to release the name or.

[Katie Thurston]

Yeah, he just announced it today, actually. Yeah. Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

So the.

[Katie Thurston]

The Title of his comedy special is called Unscripted. Because he, he's like, he does crowd work, but he also is a comedian and has written material. But he just announced his tour dates and then. Sorry, I just have to brag about him. He also announced today that he's donating $1 for every ticket sale to BCRF, which is a breast cancer non profit. So, like, this morning seems like a really good guy.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I got so lucky.

[Katie Thurston]

I had to date 30 men on TV only to find my husband through my DMs. But, you know, whatever gets me there.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Is that how y' all met? Through dm?

[Katie Thurston]

Yeah, I. I thought I was going to be a comedian, and so I started following other comics and he was one of them. And then one day.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

So hold on, you're not being a comedian.

[Katie Thurston]

Well, I mean, come on, can you imagine now, Like, I'm on stage ready to, like, say, like, the punchline, and I'm like, hold on, my cancer is kicking in. I just lost the momentum. But there's a lot of, like, new material, obviously, to think about when it comes to, like, this next chapter. But he is the comic, and I'm happy to be the supportive wife and hear the jokes in the works.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

This makes me so happy. I love that. Okay, now we got to talk about a little bit of reality. Tell television.

[Katie Thurston]

Oh, I know, it's okay.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I know, I know I wanted to get the, the hard part out at the beginning, but always for anybody that's on reality television, talking about reality TV that you've been on, if you could change one thing about how you were portrayed.

[Katie Thurston]

Gosh, I don't know. There was this big. There was a big fight that happened with me, and his name is Greg. Anyone who watches the show, they know exactly what I'm talking about. And honestly, knowing my manager's laughing in the background, knowing, obviously, like, how things happen, I just wish I didn't take it so seriously. I mean, I. You. I think producers would hate to hear that because you're supposed to fall in love and get engaged and stuff. And when you're in this little bubble of reality tv and it was Covid at the time, I was just so devastated about this guy who I met three weeks ago leaving, you know, and. And this fight. Like, I just wish I was just, like, more chill, just more like, again, producers would have hated that. But I regret, like, taking it so seriously again. Maybe it's the cancer. Knowing everything I know now, I'm like, that was just a fun little moment of time. None of It. None of it mattered, you know, none.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Of it really mattered.

[Katie Thurston]

Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Do you watch any other reality television?

[Katie Thurston]

Okay. I'd be curious to know if you do, because once you're in it, it's like it spoils the magic a little bit. I know too much now, and so anytime I watch something, I'm like, I know what's going on. Mine is Traders. I do enjoy watching Traders.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Okay, so if you could be on Traders with one housewife.

[Katie Thurston]

Oh, my God.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And you can't pick me.

[Katie Thurston]

Oh, God.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I know you're dying too.

[Katie Thurston]

Oh, my God. Okay. Do you know the ones who've already been on it?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yes, I can correct you.

[Katie Thurston]

Can you tell me their names and it'll. I'll know when you say it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Dorinda.

[Katie Thurston]

Dorinda. You.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I think she's coming back on it this season, right?

[Katie Thurston]

That makes sense.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Katie Thurston]

She was amazing.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

She's coming back on.

[Katie Thurston]

Yeah.

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Dang it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

You missed it. So now you got, you got to pick somebody that hasn't been on it.

[Katie Thurston]

Maybe let's keep bringing her back. I don't know. They always choose a housewife, though, so.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

So you don't watch Housewives?

[Katie Thurston]

I don't.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Any Bravo shows?

[Katie Thurston]

No, No, I don't. I. To be honest, I actually don't watch a lot of like, TV or movies and my husband hates it because I can't even hold my attention for like 40 minutes into a movie.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

So what do you do if you have a fold down day?

[Katie Thurston]

A doom scroll? Let's be honest, I'm just on social media looking at cats dogs. What is shopping? My phone is my, like, lifeline to entertainment. And maybe that's what's ruined me. Maybe that's why I can't watch tv because even when I'm watching like reality tv, like I try to watch Love island for a bit, I'll still be like half watching, half on my phone.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, I, I watch Love Island.

[Katie Thurston]

Okay. I do appreciate a one hour episode. And if you're, if you're staying on top of it, it's. It's pretty manageable.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

It's pretty manageable except for then you miss a couple and then you're.

[Teddy Mellencamp (co-host or guest)]

I.

[Katie Thurston]

That's what happened.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I couldn't do it.

[Katie Thurston]

I was in Greece and I missed like a week, which meant like five to six hours of show, like the show. And I was like, I can't do that anymore.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

No, I have. Now I'm just going to watching, like, old shows. Well, I always, you know, I watch Housewives because I recap it.

[Katie Thurston]

Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

So I watch all the different franchises there, but when it comes to other shows, I'm like, I gotta watch old shows. So I know I have, like, seven seasons. There's no rush.

[Katie Thurston]

Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

But I'm trying to get into Yellowstone.

[Katie Thurston]

I've heard great things. I just finished Handmaid's Tale, which is a little morbid, but I binged that. I did enjoy that series.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Okay, so that'll be my next one. Did you watch Unreal?

[Katie Thurston]

Okay. I watched a few episodes when I was fresh off the Bachelor, and it was actually so similar to what I experienced, minus, like, I don't know, the murder or whatever, that part. But I was like, oh, I couldn't watch it. And at that point, I was new to reality tv, and I was. I was just a contestant on the Bachelor, so I didn't even fully experienced it, but I was like, I can't. I can't relive my trauma via scripted television. Yeah. But it's did a pretty. I think it was written by a producer that used to.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Used to be on the, like, yeah.

[Katie Thurston]

Be on the show. So she did a great job.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And you never did Bachelor in Paradise?

[Katie Thurston]

No, I showed up once as, like, a guest, a comedic guest, which was such a flop, but my ex fiance was on Bachelor in Paradise, and that's, of course, why they then bring me in and. But I think I did it great because I showed up and then I did my little part that I supposed to, which was like a roast, plus the, like, you know, hey, Blake, how you been? And then I was like, hold on.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I just remembered.

[Katie Thurston]

The Canadian guy, The Canadian wildlife guy. Yeah. He's a great guy, but, you know, it didn't work out.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Katie Thurston]

So. But he's still. He's very supportive still. We both speak so highly of each other, and even seeing him on the beach in paradise was. Was fine. I think people are like, was that weird? I'm like, no, this is how we met. It felt. It felt.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. No, when it. And also when it's done. It's done.

[Katie Thurston]

Yeah. And then the produce. So I was in my hotel, and the producer, like, what if you, like, came back? And maybe because I was single at the time, like, I don't know, what if you guys came back? And I was like, nope, I did my part. I showed up, I clocked in, I clocked out, clicked my paycheck, and I'm gone.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

You're like, I'm out.

[Katie Thurston]

I'm not. I'm not playing into whatever storyline in this. In this series anymore. So I Did Fboy island, though? I don't know if you know that.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Do I need to watch it?

[Katie Thurston]

No. Sorry if any of my producer listening. But what I loved about it is there's a money element, like, a prize element to it. And so in reality tv, with American laws, if there's prize money, you can't produce, like, people because it impacts the outcome of, like, who wins. Like, it's like cheating the system. And so it was way more fun to do Fboy island because there was money. And so producer, like, go have fun. Go play, you know? Whereas, like, the Bachelor, it's a little more, you know.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And how long does Fboy island film for?

[Katie Thurston]

I think it was also like, maybe three weeks. Three weeks? Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And then how long's the Bachelor and the Bachelorette film for?

[Katie Thurston]

I think it was, like, six weeks, but we were. It was Covid season, so I feel like. I think it might normally be, like, eight weeks, but because it was coven and there was no travel fast, when.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

You really think about it.

[Katie Thurston]

And might I add, you. Actually, it's six weeks total, but that doesn't mean I spent six weeks with the guy I got engaged to. I probably spent combined over that six weeks, 24 hours. And that's just me rounding up with the guy I got engaged to. It was equivalent of, like, one to two dates, maybe.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

How many people did you bring into the.

[Katie Thurston]

What, Fantasy suite?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, the fantasy suite.

[Katie Thurston]

Mine was a weird season because, like, two guys basically left, which. How embarrassing for me as the lead. I'm like, oh. And then the. The two guys. I had left one. Love you, Justin. But, like, he was never gonna be in that overnight situation, and so I, like, let him go before the overnight situation. The fantasy suite, I should call it. And so I had one, and it was. It was Blake.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

It was Blake.

[Katie Thurston]

Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I love it. Yeah. So after you finished the Bachelor, how did it come about that you wanted to become the Bachelorette? Or did you. Or it just kind of fell in your lap, and then you were like, I gotta do this. This.

[Katie Thurston]

Well, I don't know if you're, like, familiar with it, but typically, like, the top four are the girls considered. And I, if we're talking, like, a ranking, was 11th place. So I thought, at best, I would get invited to paradise. And I probably wasn't gonna go. I was gonna go back to my bank job. I was like, ah, whatever. I did it. I did my thing. It was fun. I'm out. But when I got off the show, the producers were like, hey, just like, stay single you know, they don't because it's not a guarantee, you know, but, you know, you're up to up against some other women with, like, interviews and I think audience reactions too. And so, to be honest, I was. I was not expecting to become the Bachelorette given, like, the 10 other women, quote, ahead of me who are just, like, so beautiful and so worthy of being the Bachelorette. And also my season with Matt James, he was the first black bachelor. So it was such a conversation about, like, people of color and so to pick, like, 11th place, this white girl. And then Chris Harrison had just been fired. It was like. It was a whole thing. Yeah, it was a whole mess. And so when I was asked, it was like, like, how could I have say no? Like, it's such a great opportunity, but it was not, like, welcomed fully because it was such a shocking pick as, like, 11th place white girl. Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

So.

[Katie Thurston]

But of course, like, I like, selfishly, I'm like you. I'm gonna say yes. I'm not gonna turn it down because the franchise had 30 years of missteps that I have to, like, help them look good, you know, Like, I'm gonna say yes to my opportunity. It's not my fault. The show took this whole time to have their first black bachelor, you know, so, yeah, I was surprised I was picked. I. I think they were hoping for, like, I don't know, some, like, progressive audience to come through because the Bachelor really is like the Bible bell. It's very, like, crazy enough conservative audience, but then it's like, but the girl has three overnight dates and gets, like, engaged and like, three days, you know? Yeah. Like, pick your lane. So when I did it, it was like you either, like, loved me or you hated me. And so I still experience that to this day.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Me too.

[Katie Thurston]

Yeah. You gotta be polarizing to be remembered.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

So, like, you either love me or you hate me. Well, thank you so much for joining us. We really appreciate it. And if people want to follow you so they can continue on with your story, where do they do?

[Katie Thurston]

So Instagram's probably my go to, and it's at Hekatie Thurston at the Katie Thurston.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Follow her.

[Katie Thurston]

Thanks.

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[Katie Thurston]

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