The Twot Seat: LISA RINNA (Part 1)

Summary

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Two Ts In A Pod: The Twot Seat — LISA RINNA (Part 1)

Podcast: Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge
Host: iHeartPodcasts
Date: February 24, 2026
Episode Focus: Behind the Scenes on "The Traitors" with Lisa Rinna

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Episode Overview

In this lively installment of "The Twot Seat," Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge welcome iconic reality star Lisa Rinna for a candid, laughter-filled debrief on her adventures filming "The Traitors." The trio dives into game strategy, iconic moments, behind-the-scenes drama, and the friendships (and feuds) that blossomed throughout the season. This Part 1 episode serves Housewives fans juicy tidbits with Rinna’s signature wit, exploring what happens when Bravo legends collide on international reality television.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Jumping Into "The Traitors"

• Lisa Rinna Shares Her Journey (02:40–07:25)

  • Lisa opens up about being approached to join "The Traitors," admitting she initially declined but was persuaded by her neighbor (a massive fan) who likened it to "Mafia" — a game Lisa loves.
    • Lisa Rinna: "She goes, Lisa, it's the game Mafia. And I was like, I play mafia in Canada all the time. She goes, you'd be so great at it." (07:07)
  • The discussion highlights the unique blend of strategic play and intensive filming experience in Scotland.

• Game Mindset and Strategies

  • Tamra reflects on the stress of being selected as a Traitor and the importance of crafting an exit speech on the fly.
    • Tamra Judge: "When you're sitting in the hot seat, because you know what? You know, when you're going, I think I knew. When I knew I was going, I got murdered." (03:13)
  • Lisa discusses the intensity, likening the experience to "jail slash Swedish rehab" due to lack of phone and personal freedom. (07:31)

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2. The Players: Housewife Bonds and Battle Tactics

• Working With Rob & Housewife Dynamics (03:54–06:30)
  • Tamra and Lisa dissect Rob’s game play — calculated, mysterious, and at ease among the chaos.
    • Lisa Rinna: "He's very calculated. Very, very calculated. Like, not the kind of calculation you're playing checkers." (04:54)
  • The surprise and camaraderie of having two housewives as traitors is discussed, with Tamra relating to Candace due to similar Bravo exits.
    • Tamra Judge: "Candice and I sort of had a similar leaving of the shows and Bravo...I had this instant kind of connection to her because I know that she'd gone through something, you know, very similar to me." (06:14)

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3. Behind The Scenes: Fashion, Food, and Social Survival

• Fashion Finesse (09:03)

  • Tamra explains wardrobe process — bringing 11 looks based on a mood board and scoring the perfect banquet dress.
    • Lisa Rinna: "You were the best dressed." (09:21)

• Making Connections (09:26–10:12, 29:08)

  • Tamra reveals she bonded with everyone, unlike the typical Housewives dynamic. She highlights Mara, Tara, Candace, Rob, Ron, Mark, and Stephen as newfound friends, and later names Dorinda and Candace as standouts.
    • Tamra Judge: "I really got close with everybody. It's so weird because, you know, I certainly don't get along with everybody like on Housewives. Right. So I was really surprised..." (09:26)
    • Tamra Judge: "I never really knew Dorinda and I definitely connected to Dorinda and to Candace." (29:38)

• Food Struggles & Protein Woes (17:02–17:44)

  • The group jokes about the lack of protein at mealtimes—hard-boiled eggs, ginger shots, and an endless hunt for salmon.
    • Lisa Rinna: "Baked beans. We had baked beans. Lots of baked beans." (17:09)
    • Tamra Judge: "So all I could do is eat the damn hard boiled eggs in the morning." (17:39)

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4. Most Memorable Moments & Showdowns

• Iconic Confrontations (15:40–16:33)

  • Tamra recounts a standout face-off with Caroline, culminating in the deliciously shady, "Bye, bye, Caroline. Back to Dubai, you go."
    • Tamra Judge: "I said, bye, bye, Caroline. Back to Dubai, you go. And then she goes. Well, I guess I'll see you at BravoCon. And I go, no, you won't." (15:56 & 16:13)
  • Lisa praises Tamra’s soap-opera-level drama for this Housewife-to-Housewife kill.

• Who Should Go on "Traitors" Next? (16:33–16:53)

  • The hosts cast their hypothetical picks: Erica, Luann, and Sonia, based on their larger-than-life personalities.

• Biggest Feud (15:18–15:55, 25:10)

  • Tamra opens up about her nemesis: Colton.
    • Tamra Judge: "Colton and I were Nemesis, definitely." (15:23)
    • Tamra Judge: "Colton. Colton's my nemesis." (25:10)

• Rocky Moments & Online Drama (26:21–28:58)

  • Tamra and Lisa address social media and in-cast rivalries, especially drama between Colton and Michael Rapoport, and how controversy at the roundtable shifted alliances.
    • Tamra Judge: "It really set the entire group off. So Colton got a lot of sympathy in that moment. Colton was probably gonna go in that moment and that...saved him." (28:38–28:58)

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5. Reflections & Life After Traitors

• What Made the Experience Special (17:44–18:40)

  • Tamra describes "The Traitors" as a revitalizing, joyous, and unexpectedly fun experience that gave her new friendships and a reality TV reset.
    • Tamra Judge: "I think just having a reset in that world and meeting these people that I really got to connect to in a way that I would never have met them, probably out in the world in real life. It was so joyous." (17:49)
  • Lisa and Tamra agree that the show provided a space to flex both their personalities and their acting chops.
    • Lisa Rinna: "I felt like you, you could play a little bit part and be yourself. There was drama. I loved it." (18:25)

• Future Aspirations: Acting & More Reality TV (18:44–19:30)

  • Tamra says she'd love to act more, particularly in shows like "White Lotus" or anything by Ryan Murphy, displaying her ongoing hunger for TV drama.

• Housewives Relationships & Andy Cohen (30:06–30:27)

  • Lisa shares that her relationship with Bravo honcho Andy Cohen ebbs and flows, but she’ll be on "Watch What Happens Live" for the first time in four years.
    • Lisa Rinna: “It goes up and down, you know, depending on whether I piss him off or he pisses me off.” (30:08)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Strategic Gameplay:
  • Lisa Rinna: “He's very calculated. Not the kind of calculation you're playing checkers.” (04:54)
• On Iconic Exits:
  • Tamra Judge: “I said, bye, bye, Caroline. Back to Dubai, you go.” (15:56)
• On Being Self-Aware:
  • Lisa Rinna: “And you just, you poke me and I'm gonna poke you back twice as hard.” (26:52)
  • Tamra Judge: “It's a talent and I can't help it.” (26:57)
• On the Unexpected Joys of ‘Traitors’:
  • Tamra Judge: “It was so joyous. And I think because it was a game, I treated it as a game and it was fun. I had so much fun.” (17:49)
• On Reentry to Acting:
  • Tamra Judge: “I have another really great character in me. I know. I do. Like a real baddie. Yeah, I do. Like a cuckoo. Like a Moira.” (19:03)

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Important Timestamps

| Timestamp | Segment | |-----------|------------------------------------------------| | 02:40 | Lisa joins: origins of her "Traitors" journey | | 04:49 | Rob’s gameplay dissected | | 06:14 | Tamra & Candace: instant Housewives bond | | 09:03 | Fashion and wardrobe for the show | | 15:56 | “Bye, bye, Caroline. Back to Dubai, you go.” | | 17:44 | Reflections on the experience | | 18:44 | Acting dreams and White Lotus mention | | 25:10 | “Who were you more mad at, Colton or Rob?” | | 26:52 | Rinna on confrontation as a “talent” | | 28:38 | Michael Rapoport’s dramatic roundtable moment | | 29:08 | Tamra: “I love this group of people.” | | 30:08 | Andy Cohen relationship status |

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Tone & Vibe

Unfiltered, fast-paced, sassy, and at times heartfelt. The Three Ts (Teddi, Tamra, and guest Lisa) joke, reminisce, and analyze with equal doses of shade and affection, always keeping it real and relatable for Housewives devotees.

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Conclusion

Part 1 with Lisa Rinna on "The Twot Seat" is essential for fans who crave Bravo backstories and reality TV strategy. The episode offers a rare peek into how veteran Housewives approach new challenges – both on and off screen – and delivers the delicious drama and humor that define both Rinna and the Two Ts. Stay tuned, as Part 2 promises more about Rinna’s book, Housewives history, and plenty more tea.

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Transcript

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

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[Tamara Judge]

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[Tamara Judge]

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[Lisa Rinna]

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[Tamara Judge]

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[Jill Winterstein]

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[Tamara Judge]

Two T's in a pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamara Judge.

[Lisa Rinna]

Hi, guys.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Welcome to another episode of the Twat Seat. We are so, so excited to have Lisa Rinna joining us today.

[Tamara Judge]

I know.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh my God, we have so much to talk about. I mean, we're gonna Start with traitors

[Teddi Mellencamp]

for sure, because we have to. What was your line as you were leaving?

[Tamara Judge]

I said, I'm the most iconic, legendary traitor.

[Lisa Rinna]

Did you? Before you went up there? Cause when I did traitors way back when, I was like, if I get banished, like, who. What's my speech? What do I say?

[Tamara Judge]

Well, when you're sitting in the hot seat, because you know what? You know, when you're going, I think I knew. When I knew I was going, I got murdered.

[Lisa Rinna]

And I knew I was murdered.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, you did?

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, because there's a certain room in

[Tamara Judge]

that castle, and you have to go in it.

[Lisa Rinna]

You have to go in it. I know when they called me, they're like, hey, Tamara, come. I'm like, I turn around, I go, I'm murdered. And if I'm murdered, it's Dan.

[Tamara Judge]

So you did, like, a jam. Jam, yes. As you were leaving, but there was

[Lisa Rinna]

no cameras on me.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, shoot.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, well, you know it. And you start to think, oh, my God, I gotta think of something. Oh, you're sick.

[Lisa Rinna]

Your exit speech.

[Tamara Judge]

Yes, the exit speech. So as I'm sitting there, I'm thinking, okay, what am I gonna say? What am I gonna say? And then you just come up with it.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And were you annoyed at anyone at this point?

[Tamara Judge]

Well, I was annoyed with Rob.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, I was for sure annoyed with

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Rob, because it doesn't seem like you guys ever give Rob the business when you guys are in the turret.

[Tamara Judge]

We were Kumbaya. Team trader.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

You know, we were family. Traitor.

[Lisa Rinna]

And he was out to, like, murder all of you guys. Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

We didn't know it, you know, that that's.

[Lisa Rinna]

Or get you banished, I should say.

[Tamara Judge]

That's when you just are like. I mean, I was more disappointed than anything because, you know, everyone is just so crazy about him.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, historically, you're supposed to stick together as traitors. They want you to stick together until the very. Towards the very end. Cutthroat. Normally, like, they try to stick together.

[Tamara Judge]

I thought that was gonna be the way.

[Lisa Rinna]

But Rob was playing. He's playing for himself.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, and such a great game. I mean, I can't be mad about it because he's.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Because he's hot.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, that, too. That doesn't hurt. But he's doing what you're supposed to do as a traitor. That's the thing.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But what do you think makes him so good at it? That he's just chill, laid back, like, he wouldn't think it was him.

[Tamara Judge]

He's a game player, which, of course, I am not. So I think all of it helps,

[Lisa Rinna]

but he's very calculated. Very, very calculated. Like, not the kind of calculation you're playing checkers.

[Tamara Judge]

It's hard to be good looking.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I mean, not many people can pull off.

[Tamara Judge]

What are these overalls with nothing underneath.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Like, with snakes everywhere.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, the first.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Not even Rinna could pull off the.

[Tamara Judge]

No, I can't pull that off. Harry Hamlin could have, you know, back in the day, he could have pulled that off the very first night. You know, when you get there and you see everybody for the first time, I noticed Rob right out of the gate because I kind of knew of everyone else there, but I'd never seen him before, and he was very aloof, and he was sitting back just watching everyone, and I clocked it and I thought, I need to go and find out what he's about. You know, he kind of has Harry energy where he sits back and watches and he's quiet, a little mysterious.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

And so I went right up and started, you know, asking him questions and, you know, being silly Lisa Rinna with him. And so I felt like I had a connection with him right out of the gate.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

But, yeah, he played a great game.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Do you think it was shocking that they had two housewives betrayed her?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, that's why I screamed so loud when Candace. When we take our hoods off. I couldn't believe it.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I couldn't believe it.

[Lisa Rinna]

I would have loved to see all, like, three housewives.

[Tamara Judge]

Wouldn't that have been amazing?

[Lisa Rinna]

Because nobody's gonna say, like, oh, they have three in there. They're like, maybe one. Like, they always. They kind of balance it out. But no, they had two.

[Tamara Judge]

It was so great.

[Lisa Rinna]

I was like, yes, yes. Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

And, you know, Candice and I sort of had a similar leaving of the shows and Bravo and kind of what happened to us. And so I had this instant kind of connection to her because I know that she'd gone through something, you know, very similar to me. So I was instantly like, Candace.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah. When you approached me on Traders, was there, like, any hesitation whatsoever? You're like, let's do this.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, no. I've said no a couple times. And I was like, you know, let me watch it. And so then I watched it and I loved it.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

What season did you watch?

[Tamara Judge]

I watched your season and two and then three.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

And then I said, you know, I like to watch it more than I think I want to do it. And so I really didn't give them an answer until, see September, February. Yeah. I really thought about It. I asked everybody and you know who convinced me to do it? Our little neighbor down the street, Cindy Bodko. Cindy Botko, who's Robin Fujimoto's daughter. She is the hugest Traders fan. And I said, can I come down and you just tell me like, if I should do it and why I should do it? And so I did. I had a glass of wine and she said, lisa, it's the game mafia. And I was like, I play mafia in Canada all the time. She goes, you'd be so great at it. And she literally talked me into it.

[Lisa Rinna]

But it's a huge commitment. You could be up. You can be in Scotland for 30 days. You don't really have your phone.

[Tamara Judge]

No. You have no file, no phone. You take it, they take it away.

[Lisa Rinna]

It's like being in jail.

[Tamara Judge]

It's like jail slash Swedish rehab. That's what I've decided. Because literally, I think the phone was great. I loved them taking the phone.

[Lisa Rinna]

Really?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Taking my pills was a problem. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I did not like that. I mean, if you get sick in that castle, you are.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

How cold is it in that castle? Cuz a lot of people are barely wearing any clothes.

[Tamara Judge]

I didn't notice it.

[Lisa Rinna]

It was cold. I was there. I think I was like, I don't remember, but it was cold. It was cold.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Did you think you were gonna be selected as a trader?

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, I didn't know. You know, it's always a 50, 50 thing. I wanted to be a trader. I thought, if I'm gonna do this, I better get the most camera time I can. Otherwise, you know, what, what's the point? So I did tell Alan that I wanted to be a trader. But as he walks around, you know, he walks around like seven times.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, he walks and walks and walks.

[Tamara Judge]

And you're just sitting there with your blindfold and your heart is pounding out of your chest.

[Lisa Rinna]

And then when he walks by and he doesn't tap you on the shoulder, you're like, ugh.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. And you're just kind of like, okay. And so I thought for sure I was going to be a faithful. Because seven times around I'm like, I'm not being tight.

[Lisa Rinna]

Would you have played the game different if you were a faithful?

[Tamara Judge]

Probably, yeah. I think you have to. I don't know. Because I wasn't a faithful. I was a traitor. But maybe, I don't know, it's hard. I mean, I had no strategy. I went in thinking, if I can just wear that dress for the banquet, because I knew we knew that there was a banquet somewhere down the line. That's all I wanted.

[Lisa Rinna]

Now, did they supply you with those outfits or did you have to?

[Narrator (6th Bureau Podcast)]

You had to.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, no, they sent like a memo of, you know, this is coming up. You have to bring like a mood board. Yeah, a mood board. All 11 outfits. You have to do them all. And then we found this dress because I love this designer. Eric, Charlotte. And I thought, oh, my God, this is perfect. It was perfect. So I got to wear this dress.

[Lisa Rinna]

It was great. You were the best dress.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Thank you.

[Lisa Rinna]

You were the best. It was fun.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Who were you closest with?

[Tamara Judge]

I really got close with everybody. It's so weird because, you know, I certainly don't get along with everybody like on Housewives. Right. So I was really surprised at how I really got along with everybody. But that was part of my strategy, if I had any, was to just get to know everyone and get everyone to try to like me, you know, And I loved everyone. I mean, I ended up being really close to Mara, Tara, Candice, I mean, Rob, Ron, Mark, Stephen, everybody.

[Lisa Rinna]

Johnny, are you shocked that Mara's still on the show?

[Tamara Judge]

I'm not, because, you know, she'll say a lot. The quiet ones go the furthest. I've always said that they go the furthest.

[Lisa Rinna]

But then the show gets boring.

[Tamara Judge]

I know, but that's how you win.

[Lisa Rinna]

But now that the Bravo people are gone, it's kind of like.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But also the guy that got brought in by Rob, he's not doing Eric. He's not doing a great job.

[Lisa Rinna]

I kind of love him.

[Tamara Judge]

I love Eric, but he's made it obvious that he's. Come on. I was like, Eric, you change so instantly. When you became a traitor, you shut your mouth. And how they're not so nervous.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

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[Tamara Judge]

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[Tamara Judge]

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[Jill Winterstein]

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[Narrator (Mind Games Podcast)]

What if mind control is real?

[Tamara Judge]

If you could control the behavior of anybody around you, what kind of life would you have?

[Narrator (Mind Games Podcast)]

Can you hypnotically persuade someone to buy

[Ben Higgins]

a When you look at your car, you're going to become overwhelmed with such good feelings.

[Narrator (Mind Games Podcast)]

Can you hypnotize someone into sleeping with you?

[Narrator (6th Bureau Podcast)]

I gave her some suggestions to be sexually aroused.

[Narrator (Mind Games Podcast)]

Can you get someone to join your cult?

[Jill Winterstein]

NLP was used on me to access my subconscious.

[Narrator (Mind Games Podcast)]

Nlp, AKA Neuro Linguistic Programming, is a blend of hypnosis, linguistics and psychology. Fans say it's like finally getting a user manual for your brain.

[Ben Higgins]

It's about engineering consciousness.

[Narrator (Mind Games Podcast)]

Mind Games is the story of nlp, its crazy cast of disciples, and the fake doctor who invented it at a New Age commune and sold it to guys in suits. He stood trial for murder and got acquitted. The biggest mind game of all, NLP might actually work.

[Tamara Judge]

This is wild.

[Narrator (Mind Games Podcast)]

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[Lisa Rinna]

Is there anybody you absolutely couldn't stand on the show? No.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

There had to have been someone.

[Tamara Judge]

No one other than Colton, right? I mean, Colton and I were Nemesis, definitely. Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But he was fun to play with.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, he pissed me off and, you know, he was like, on me too much.

[Narrator (Mind Games Podcast)]

But you know what?

[Tamara Judge]

But it's a game. So that's what always saved me. I'm like, it's a game.

[Lisa Rinna]

It's a game. It's a game I loved more than anything. When you looked at Carolyn and you go, go back to Dubai.

[Tamara Judge]

How great was that?

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, my God. I'm like, oh, my God. That was good.

[Tamara Judge]

I knew exactly what I was doing. I put my so pad on for that. Obviously, we knew. We.

[Lisa Rinna]

What exactly did you say to her?

[Tamara Judge]

I said, bye, bye, Caroline. Back to Dubai, you go. And then she goes. First she says, rennie, you bitch. And then I say, bye, bye, Caroline. Back to Dubai, you go. And then she goes, well, I guess I'll see you at BravoCon. And I go, no, you won't.

[Narrator (6th Bureau Podcast)]

You won't.

[Lisa Rinna]

That's right. That's right.

[Tamara Judge]

I thought they'd cut it. I didn't think they'd air it. And I'm so happy they did because I really did put my soap pad on for that. I knew exactly what I was doing.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, it was great.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Was it fun?

[Lisa Rinna]

It was great.

[Tamara Judge]

Do you know how fun it is to kill a housewife?

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah. I can only imagine this.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, God, I loved every second of it.

[Lisa Rinna]

Who do you think should go on Traitors Next? Housewives?

[Tamara Judge]

I think Erica would be great. We talked about that.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, we talked about it yesterday.

[Tamara Judge]

I said Erica would be great. I haven't really thought about it. I think Luann would be funny. You know, just because Luann is such a character. Who do you think?

[Lisa Rinna]

I think that definitely Luann. I think Erica. I think Sonia would be funny. Daphne, not Jill. Zarin.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I have to say, I don't feel like you guys eat that much while you're there. Cause everybody's always looking for the salmon.

[Lisa Rinna]

Baked beans. We had baked beans. Lots of baked beans.

[Tamara Judge]

We had no baked beans.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, you didn't? Oh, we had baked beans with everything.

[Tamara Judge]

No. Here's the problem. There's not enough protein and everyone is dying for protein to keep yourself going.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Except for Rob. He's just popping down those eggs.

[Tamara Judge]

That's protein. So he's just getting the eggs or those little shots. There's little ginger shots.

[Lisa Rinna]

I loved those. There was never enough.

[Tamara Judge]

And I would always have to say, because you don't want to get sick. So you're like shooting these ginger shots. There's just never enough protein. So I don't eat salmon, you know, I don't like fish.

[Lisa Rinna]

I don't like either.

[Tamara Judge]

So all I could do is eat the damn hard boiled eggs in the morning.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So what would you say in closing, your favorite part of doing the show?

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, I loved it so much. I think just having a reset in that world and meeting these people that I really got to connect to in a way that I would never have met them, probably out in the world in real life. It was so joyous. And I think because it was a game, I treated it as a game and it was fun. I had so much fun. So that is what I take away from it.

[Lisa Rinna]

And you were able to put some of your acting skills into it as well, right?

[Tamara Judge]

Well, I guess maybe a little bit.

[Lisa Rinna]

You did. I mean, that scene with Carolyn, like, I'm like, whoa.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Okay.

[Tamara Judge]

It was so fun. Yeah, it was really, really fun.

[Lisa Rinna]

I felt like you, you could play a little bit part and be yourself. There was drama.

[Tamara Judge]

I loved it.

[Lisa Rinna]

It was a lot.

[Tamara Judge]

I just had so much fun. It was so good for me, I think, to do another kind of reality based series and enjoy it and have a great experience. I needed that.

[Narrator (6th Bureau Podcast)]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Because we need you on more reality shows.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, what about just acting in general?

[Tamara Judge]

I want to act. Yeah. I mean, sure.

[Lisa Rinna]

Is there a show that you want to be on?

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, my God, there's so many. I mean, you know, White Lotus Dream? That'd be amazing. Anything Ryan Murphy does like, there's so many shows that I would love to do. I mean, I'm for hire. So call me.

[Lisa Rinna]

We need to see you on Landman. Have you watched that?

[Tamara Judge]

I would love to. I'd love to. I've got another really great character in me. I know. I do. Like a real baddie. Yeah, I do. Like a cuckoo. Like a Moira.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Like a Melrose Place.

[Tamara Judge]

Like a Moira Rose. Yes. Like I have it in me. Ready to go. So call me.

[Lisa Rinna]

I think of Allie on Landman. Have you seen Landman? She does such a good part. I could see you doing something like that.

[Tamara Judge]

Great. So I'm ready. I have another one.

[Lisa Rinna]

Call her.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm there. I'm ready.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Brenna has more than nine lives, so make sure you call her.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

As do you, my friend. Yes, as do you.

[Jill Winterstein]

Hi, this is Jo Winterstein, host of the Spirit Daughter podcast where we talk about astrology. Natal char, how to step into your most vibrant life. And I just sat down with a mini driver.

[Tamara Judge]

The Irish traveler said when I was 16, you're going to have a terrible time with men.

[Jill Winterstein]

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[Tamara Judge]

He really has taught me to embrace people sleeping in different rooms, on different houses, in different places, but just an embracing of the isness of it all.

[Jill Winterstein]

If you're navigating your own transformation or just want a chart side view into how a leading artist integrates astrology, creativity and real life, this episode is a must. Listen. Listen to the Spirit Daughter podcast. Starting on February 20th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to your podcast.

[Narrator (Mind Games Podcast)]

What if mind control is real?

[Tamara Judge]

If you could control the behavior of anybody around you, what kind of life would you have?

[Narrator (Mind Games Podcast)]

Can you hypnotically persuade someone to buy a car?

[Ben Higgins]

When you look at your car, you're gonna become overwhelmed with such good feelings.

[Narrator (Mind Games Podcast)]

Can you hypnotize someone into sleeping with you?

[Narrator (6th Bureau Podcast)]

I gave her some suggestions to be sexually aroused.

[Narrator (Mind Games Podcast)]

Can you get someone to join your culture?

[Jill Winterstein]

NLP was used on me to access my subconscious.

[Narrator (Mind Games Podcast)]

Nlp, AKA Neuro linguistic programming, is a blend of hypnosis, linguistics and psychology. Fans say it's like finally getting a user manual for your brain.

[Ben Higgins]

It's about engineering consciousness.

[Narrator (Mind Games Podcast)]

Mind Games is the story of nlp, its crazy cast of disciples and the fake doctor who invented it. At A new Age commune and sold it to guys in stone. He stood trial for murder and got acquitted. The biggest mind game of all NLP might actually work.

[Tamara Judge]

This is wild.

[Narrator (Mind Games Podcast)]

Listen to mind Games on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Ben Higgins]

What do you do when the headlines don't explain what's happening inside of you? I'm Ben Higgins, and if you can hear me is where culture meets the soul. A place for real conversation. Each episode I sit of people from all walks of life, celebrities, thinkers, and everyday folks. And we go deeper than the polished story. We talk about what drives us, what shapes us, and what gives us hope. We get honest about the big stuff. Identity when you don't recognize yourself anymore. Loss that changes you. Purpose when success isn't enough. Peace when your mind won't slow down. Faith when it's complicated. Some guests have answers. Most are still figuring it out. If you've ever felt like there has to be more to the story, this show is for you. Listen to if youf Can Hear me on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Narrator (6th Bureau Podcast)]

China's Ministry of State Security is one of the most mysterious and powerful spy agencies in the world. But in 2017, the FBI got inside.

[Tamara Judge]

This is Special Agent Riegel, Special Agent Bradley Hall.

[Narrator (6th Bureau Podcast)]

This MSS officer has no idea the US Government is onto him. But the FBI has his chats, texts, emails, even his personal diary. Hear how they got it on the Sixth Bureau podcast?

[Tamara Judge]

I now have several terabytes of an MSS officer. No doubt, no question of his life.

[Narrator (6th Bureau Podcast)]

And that's a unicorn.

[Ben Higgins]

No one had ever seen anything like that.

[Tamara Judge]

It was unbelievable.

[Narrator (6th Bureau Podcast)]

This is a story of the inner workings of the MSS and how one man's ambition and mistakes opened its vault of secrets.

Listen to the 6th Bureau on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Lisa Rinna]

Who do you think Rob should have picked if it wasn't Eric?

[Tamara Judge]

I think Eric was actually a good choice. I think so. I think Mark would have been an interesting choice. He was gonna pick a guy.

[Lisa Rinna]

He's quiet, too, because he seems like

[Teddi Mellencamp]

on his Instagram, he seems very outgoing.

[Tamara Judge]

He's so outgoing. And if you watch him on Dancing with Stars, I mean, he's really in it. And, you know, you find out these things. I've known Mark, you know, for a long time because of Dancing with the Stars, but he's a real gamer lover, so he's watched every episode of, like, you know, Survivor, Big Brother. Like, he knows those games.

[Lisa Rinna]

That's his passion.

[Tamara Judge]

Which, of course, I do not. I don't either. I'm just saying I didn't even know

[Lisa Rinna]

what the fuck I was doing when I was there.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, I didn't either.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Why did you give all your rocks to Steven? Yes.

[Tamara Judge]

Because I did not want to give them to Colton or Rob. And they don't say that. But the more you gave to the guys that like Colton or Rob, the chances are of them winning. And I was, like, mad at Colton. Rob had already voted for me the night before, and I was like, who can I give my rocks to other than those boys? And that's why Steven said, can I have your rocks, your gold? And I was like, sure.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Who were you more mad at, Colton or Rob?

[Tamara Judge]

Colton. Colton's my nemesis. Colton Colton, you know, Rob, again, he played a great game. So there's part of me that just cannot be mad at him. I can't.

[Lisa Rinna]

No, you can't. With Rob and I, we don't know who won yet, but I. If I was a betting person, I would say Rob's probably going to win. I don't know. I mean, I don't know. I don't know. Like, I'm just thinking the way he's

[Teddi Mellencamp]

going to win, I think. You don't think everybody thinks he's a faithful.

[Lisa Rinna]

He, like, plays both sides so well. I would not want to date him. Well, that's the kind of guy you don't want to do.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, he's been playing games his entire life. I don't think he solely means by chess.

[Lisa Rinna]

He's a. Yeah, he's a player.

[Tamara Judge]

I get a call. I literally get a call from Delilah the first night it airs. She goes, mom, I want Rob. And I go, no, no, no. I told him that at the reunion. He's funny. I was like, no, she likes those Love Islanders. She's already dated.

[Lisa Rinna]

Maybe she should be on the show.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Maybe she should date my brother, who I want to be on Love Island.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, my God. I can't intersect. I can't intermix this. I can't do it. We can't do it, Teddi. We gotta keep it separate.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Okay, fine, we do.

[Tamara Judge]

We just can't intermix now as we're

[Lisa Rinna]

talking about Colton right now. Yeah, there was some stuff that went on online you guys were kind of hashing out online.

[Tamara Judge]

You know, he wanted a housewife. Tamara and I put my housewife hat on for him.

[Lisa Rinna]

It was a good move.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But you did it within seconds. It was like you went from like the Lisa Rinna that I go to dinner to, then all of a sudden, like the one who was asking me about, like, my placenta pills, wanting to fight with me.

[Tamara Judge]

It happened so fast for me. It's so ingrained in me. It's same with you. I know you can just press a button. You're like, boom.

[Lisa Rinna]

And you just, you poke me and I'm gonna poke you back twice as hard.

[Tamara Judge]

I swear to God.

[Lisa Rinna]

It's a talent.

[Tamara Judge]

I can't help it. It is a talent and I can't help it. And listen, I'm self aware enough to know, do I press this button or not?

[Lisa Rinna]

See, I'm not. I fucking press it.

[Narrator (6th Bureau Podcast)]

See?

[Tamara Judge]

But I choose to press it in the end. But I do question it. I go, okay, will this cause havoc? Yeah, probably. Should I do it? Well, maybe not.

[Lisa Rinna]

But I'm going to.

[Tamara Judge]

But I'm going to. And then I press it.

[Lisa Rinna]

That's what I do.

[Tamara Judge]

But that's what I do. So you can relate.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So what happened with Colton? Because I've seen things online, like, clearly he had already been mad at Michael Rapoport for something.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, they're the ones that fought in the castle. Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Nobody seemed to be tipsy the entire time.

[Tamara Judge]

No one's tipsy because you don't get enough alcohol. No.

[Lisa Rinna]

I think before you go into the roundtable, I mean, look at Dorinda.

[Tamara Judge]

She was completely sober.

[Lisa Rinna]

I know, right?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I mean, it's the truth.

[Tamara Judge]

You're like, dorinda is fine. There is nothing in this bottle. I love you, Dorinda.

[Lisa Rinna]

Michael Rapoport at the roundtable had made a comment to Colton and social media went crazy.

[Tamara Judge]

It was a rough moment. In the moment, I will say I

[Teddi Mellencamp]

think he made that comment on purpose.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, I don't think he did.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I don't think it was like how you didn't know. Michael Rappaport knew exactly what he was saying and knew exactly what was gonna push Colton's buttons.

[Jill Winterstein]

I agree.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, I agree. I think. I don't believe that Michael Rappaport is homophobic. No, no, I don't believe. I don't believe that. I do think, though, that the question and the way he. The way he. It wasn't a question, but the way he said it. I understand what he was saying, but it was completely inappropriate to say that.

[Lisa Rinna]

Right. And that's the perfect way to say it.

[Tamara Judge]

And it really flipped everybody out because obviously we were sitting there with gay people and people that have gay relatives and, you know, it really set the entire group off. So Colton got a lot of sympathy in that moment. Colton was probably gonna go in that moment and that.

[Lisa Rinna]

That changed.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

That saved him.

[Tamara Judge]

It did.

[Lisa Rinna]

It did.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Did you kind of create a bond with anybody that leads you past the traitors like that you would continue being friends with?

[Tamara Judge]

I have a whole. All of them. Like, I'm in contact with everybody. I love this group of people. I've had dinner with them. I go out with them. Yeah. Who's your favorite housewife in the world?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, there.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, Dorinda and Candace. Dorinda and Candace.

[Narrator (6th Bureau Podcast)]

They're great.

[Tamara Judge]

I freaking.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Because they're not showing much of Dorinda being her Dorinda side.

[Tamara Judge]

I know she's not her Dorinda. Was she herself in there a lot? I mean, she is.

[Lisa Rinna]

She probably had PTSD about getting killed the first day.

[Tamara Judge]

She wasn't drinking a lot because you don't get alcohol. So she was clear. And I just. I adore her. I never really knew Dorinda and I definitely connected to Dorinda and to Candace. Those were my two that I really, you know, I didn't know Portia. I'd never met her.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

And I knew Caroline from London like 10 years ago. Is there any others? No, that was it.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

That was it. Did you watch back? Like, are you watching still? Oh, yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

How is your relationship with Andy?

[Tamara Judge]

It's fine.

[Lisa Rinna]

It's good.

[Tamara Judge]

It's good. I mean, it goes up and down, you know, depending on whether I piss him off or he pisses me off. I'm sure you can understand and relate.

[Lisa Rinna]

I do.

[Tamara Judge]

But right now, really good. I think, you know, I talk about him in my book. Obviously. I'm gonna go on and watch what happens live for the first time in four years.

[Lisa Rinna]

Okay, that's.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I think this is good time for a break. We're gonna take a quick break and then we're gonna have another episode where we discuss all things Lisa Rinna's books and housewives. Housewives of it all. We'll be back for part two in just a sec.

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[Tamara Judge]

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[Tamara Judge]

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[Tamara Judge]

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[Jill Winterstein]

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[Tamara Judge]

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[Narrator (6th Bureau Podcast)]

In 2018, the FBI took down a ring of spies working for China's Ministry of State Security, one of the most mysterious intelligence agencies in the world.

The Sixth Bureau podcast is a story of the inner workings of the MSS and how one man's ambition and mistakes opened its vault of secrets.

Listen to the 6th Bureau on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jill Winterstein]

Hi, it's Jill Winterstein, host of the Spirit Daughter podcast where we talk about astrology, natal charts, and how to step into your most vibrant life. And today I'm talking with my dear friend Krista Williams. It can change you in the best way possible.

[Tamara Judge]

Dance with the change. Dance with the breakdowns.

[Jill Winterstein]

The embodiment of Pisces intuition with Capricorn power moves.

[Tamara Judge]

Just so. I'm like delusionally proud of my chart.

[Jill Winterstein]

Listen to the Spirit Daughter podcast starting on February 24th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your podcast. This is an iHeart podcast, Guaranteed Human.