The Twot Seat: MIGUEL LUCIANO

Summary

Podcast Summary: "The Twot Seat: MIGUEL LUCIANO"

Podcast: Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge
Release Date: October 16, 2025
Host: iHeartPodcasts
Guests: Miguel Luciano

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Overview

In this lively and unfiltered episode of "The Twot Seat," Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge welcome viral content creator, actor, and Housewives superfan Miguel Luciano. The trio dives into all things Real Housewives, social media stardom, and the wild world of Bravo fandom. Luciano shares how his knack for parody and impersonation took off, the nuances of Housewives dynamics, and his perspective as both an outsider and insider in the Bravo universe. Listeners get witty banter, Housewives hot takes, behind-the-scenes insight, and plenty of hilarious impersonations—making this a treat for both Bravo diehards and casual fans alike.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Rise of Miguel Luciano as a Bravo Content Creator

• Tamra discusses Miguel's social media stardom:
  • “You have blown up on social media in, what, the past six months?” (04:57)
• Miguel credits Marisol Patton for his breakout moment:
  • “Marisol popped my cherry.” (05:38)
  • The “White Lotus” Housewives montage went viral after Marisol’s engagement and reposts.
• Moving from TikTok to Instagram and the advantages of content pivoting.
• Miguel’s ‘pinch me’ moment: Learning Tamra discussed his work on E! News while shopping at Whole Foods.
  • “That was like a real piece pinch me moment.” (04:01)

2. Life Before and Outside Social Media

• Miguel is a professional actor and acting coach, having worked extensively before his Bravo parodies.
• Shares the hustle of juggling multiple roles:
  • “I spend so much time just working that I don’t actually sit and think, like, wow, today I’m at...on Tamra and Teddy’s podcast. I just, like, show up and I just do it because we have no other choice.” (05:51)
• Growing up in Miami, which shaped his accent and made his impressions of Miami Housewives especially authentic.

3. Favorite Housewife Franchises and Characters

• Luciano's favorites:
  • “Miami and Salt Lake City are my favorites because they’re the most comical. I just like to laugh.” (08:14)
  • Admits to loving Meredith Marks and Mary Cosby: “I was on the Mary Cosby train when people were not on it...she's crazy as a fox. And I trust her. I'll let her do my taxes.” (08:18)
• Discusses the merits of old-school RHONY and the impact of Bethenny Frankel's return.

4. Bravo Hot Takes & Franchise Evolution

• On RHONY reboot and OGs:
  • “I think at this point it’s too far gone. I think they should do something else...I don’t think you can bring them back.” (09:39)
• The chemistry of Ultimate Girls Trip and the delicate balance of mixing classic and new cast members.
• Insight into Andy Cohen’s ability to forgive Housewives—“If you genuinely looked at him and said I was out of line...I think he could say, fine, I accept it. Maybe we're not going to lunch, but...” (10:35)

5. Inside Orange County: Tamra, Heather, and Housewives Dynamics

• Miguel on Tamra’s role:
  • “I think you carry the show because you’re the most aware of how the show works...You make everything work. And on top of that, you’re just entertaining...and really funny.” (12:02)
• Discussion of cast alliances and critiques of Heather’s presence (“she wasn’t on your side and she wasn’t not on your side...boring to me.” (13:38)).
• The challenges of maintaining real friendships within the show’s context:
  • “If you can't call them out, it's all fake.” (15:16)

6. Housewives Conflict & Resolution

• Salt Lake City celebrated for its rapid-fire conflicts and resolutions, versus the long-held grudges in RHOC.
  • “Salt Lake City has three conflicts in one episode.” (15:37)
  • “When you’re holding grudges for two years, or in this case 15 years—like, no one wants to hear it.” (15:46)

7. Potomac & Character over Credentials

• Discussion of Karen Huger and Wendy Osefo, and the notion that academic achievements do not necessarily equate to strong character.
  • “The comical thing is that going to school doesn’t mean you’re a certain kind of person.” (16:35)

8. Parody, Intuition, and Impersonations

• Luciano positions himself as the “Housewives medium,” channeling characters rather than just parodying them.
  • “I want to be in my own lane. I’m the psychic...I’m the intuitive.” (19:13)
• Offers live impressions of various Housewives; the group quizzes him on nuances, including Tamra’s tics and Eddie’s smile.
• Notable moment: Tamra asks for advice from Dolores:
  • “They say anything, Tamara, you tell them to go suck a dick. That’s what you do.” (43:37)

9. Blogger & Fan Involvement in the Housewives World

• Miguel distances himself from “content creator” or “influencer” labels, preferring the title of actor and viewer.
  • “I genuinely love the Housewives, and sometimes the world of blogging gets so...mean. It is mean. And I...don’t want to.” (39:07)
• Critiques the way blogger drama and fan projection can skew the dynamics both on and off screen.

10. Authenticity, Friendship, and Mental Health

• Deep discussion on Tamra’s mental health struggles and the emotional toll of supporting Teddi during illness:
  • “Every time something come at me, it wasn’t that I was running from conflict...I just couldn’t mentally, I couldn’t deal with it.” (59:58)
• Miguel applies acting theories—approval, control, and security—to explain cast behavior.

11. Behind-the-Scenes & Upcoming Franchise News

• Brief teasers about filming, future seasons, and the “new” Beverly Hills:
  • “I’ve heard it has a slow start, but then it comes hot.” (45:23)
• Speculates about the addition of Rachel Zoe and returning classic cast members.
• Touches on the topic of financial authenticity, fake designer clothes, and lifestyle inflation among the cast.
  • “Bring papa the fuchi bag and sit next to me. Oh, I could do it. I could do it. I’m into it.” (66:10)

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Memorable Quotes & Moments (With Timestamps)

• “Marisol popped my cherry.” — Miguel Luciano (05:38)
• “Well, I think you carry the show because you’re the most aware of how the show works.” —Miguel Luciano to Tamra (12:02)
• “I want to be a housewife. I want to throw a glass. I want to say, fuck you, Tamra.” —Miguel Luciano (40:46)
• “You need a genuine human friend.” — Miguel Luciano on what Tamra needs for the next season (62:29)
• “You girls were tame. The one that got the messiest was Rinna, and Rinna got a lot of flack for it, because I miss her.” — Tamra Judge (47:09)
• “I wouldn’t be surprised. Adriana laid her ass out. She sliced and diced her like a lunchable.” —Miguel Luciano on Adriana at the Miami reunion (23:29)
• “I hate even being called [a content creator] because I’m like, I don’t even know. I’m just an actor who is doing funny. I don’t know. I’m a bad influencer.” — Miguel Luciano (38:57)

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Noteworthy Segments & Timestamps

• Miguel’s viral story on Whole Foods/E! News (04:01)
• Rise from TikTok to Instagram via Marisol (04:44–05:38)
• Best franchises and favorite characters (08:06–08:34)
• Defending Tamra’s ‘producer’ role and her place in OC (11:54–12:48)
• OC alliance drama and cast dynamics (13:38–15:02)
• Conflict resolution styles: Salt Lake versus OC (15:37–16:06)
• Potomac and character discussion (16:12–16:51)
• Housewives intuitive/medium persona (18:43–19:19)
• Impressions and impersonation showcase: Eddie, Dolores, Erika Jayne, Teddi, Kyle (34:06–45:12, scattered throughout)
• Bloggers, content creators, and the Bravo-fan ecosystem (39:24–41:24)
• Tamra discusses her emotional struggles and filming during Teddi’s illness (57:57–60:49)
• Closing discussion: authenticity, fake finances, and the future of Housewives (65:55–66:25)

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Tone & Style

• Conversational, irreverent, and unfiltered—just like the Housewives themselves.
• Frequent use of Bravo slang and inside jokes (“scissoring”, “suck a dick”, “fuchi bag”, “Moan and sing!”).
• Deep loyalty to Bravo culture, with a mix of playful shade and heartfelt empathy.
• Candid reflections on mental health, fame, and the reality TV machine.
• Lots of laughter, in-character banter, and group teasing.

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Takeaways for Listeners

• Miguel Luciano brings charismatic, self-aware energy to both his online presence and the podcast, offering sharp yet affectionate takes on the franchise and its personalities.
• Teddi and Tamra provide rare vulnerability about the toll of reality fame and the support system needed behind the scenes.
• The trio agree that what keeps Housewives fresh is authentic dynamic, cast chemistry, and a little bit of mess.
• True friendship and mental health matter more than narrative manipulation—a message both timely and needed for the Bravo community.

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For full Housewives catharsis, witty impersonations, franchise hot takes, and real talk on fame and friendship, this episode delivers on every front.

(End of Summary)

Transcript

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[Tamara Judge]

Hi, guys.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Welcome to another episode of the Twat Seat with myself, Teddy Mellencamp and camera judge. We are so excited. We have Miguel Luciano on he. I'm sure you guys have seen him all over the world wide web because he is so.

[Tamara Judge]

He's a big thing now. He is. You know, when I realized he was big, I mean, I followed him for quite a while, and then I did an interview with E. News and they brought up one of his clips on E. News. And I'm like, I know him. I know him.

[Miguel Luciano]

That was pretty wild. I was at Whole foods at like 8:30pm and someone writes me, Tamara just talked about you on E. News. I'm like, what? I had like, eggs in my hand, a protein bar, and like a poppy or something. So I was scrambling online to try to find it, and then the next day it came out. That was like a real piece pinch me moment.

[Tamara Judge]

Was that the first time that this has happened?

[Miguel Luciano]

That was the first time I had been spoken about in that way. Like, look in this world. In this world. Yeah. I think by that point I had been noticed by Bravo and by some of the other people, but that was like a national moment. And of course, from you, that was pretty epic. Yeah. Like, I've been calling you the MVP of the oc.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, thank you.

[Miguel Luciano]

So that was pretty legit. It felt very legitimate. Like, okay, I'm, you know, I've entered.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. They showed it to me as if, you know, do you.

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This guy?

[Tamara Judge]

And I go, oh, my God. I follow him. I follow him.

[Miguel Luciano]

And all of my followers are laughing because they said, you know, this fan. Meanwhile, like, I'm like, obsessed with it. I'm like a super fan. And, you know, I create so much stuff for all you ladies.

[Tamara Judge]

You have blown up on social media in what, the past six months?

[Miguel Luciano]

Six months, yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

What do you think was the defining moment that made you kind of blow.

[Miguel Luciano]

Up the TikTok band?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Miguel Luciano]

Just Moving. I started maybe I did one or two videos in on TikTok in December, and then the TikTok band made me go to Instagram. And then Marisol Patton, she saw my montage of the Real Housewives staying at the White Lotus, and she wrote, haha, period, do me. And then I did Marisol. She said, haha, dear me. And then I did her. And then. And it was very good, and everyone liked it. And then from there, she was just. I think she started, like, reposting it a lot.

[Tamara Judge]

So Marisol popped your cherry?

[Miguel Luciano]

I would say Marisol popped my cherry.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Wow.

[Tamara Judge]

We love Marisol fans.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

We love Marisol fans. I'm a huge Marisol fans.

[Tamara Judge]

Huge Marisol fans.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And you're about to do a tour or something?

[Miguel Luciano]

Yes, I'm doing a show with her next week. Next Wednesday.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, my gosh.

[Tamara Judge]

Where's the show at?

[Miguel Luciano]

Miami. I'm doing a show with Marisol and Alexia. Can you believe, like, the more I talk about it, the crazier. Like, I don't know. It's just weird, you know? And I think you both can relate to this because you're both hard workers and hustlers. I spend so much time just working that I don't actually sit and think, like, wow, today I'm at. On Tamara and Teddy's podcast. I just, like, show up and I just do it because we have no other choice. And then when I get home, I have an acting coaching I have to do on Zoom.

[Tamara Judge]

So it's what I was going to say. It's like, yeah, this TikTok and stuff. This is secondary. Like, you have a career.

[Miguel Luciano]

Yeah, I was an actor for. I mean, I am an actor, but a professional actor for a long time.

[Tamara Judge]

And then the 1900s.

[Miguel Luciano]

Since the 1900s, literally. And then, you know, I was on a TV show and I was up for a bunch of big things, and then kind of it all slowed down. You know, the pandemic and then the strike and the fires and maybe some own personal development stuff that I just wasn't ready to move out of Miami.

[Tamara Judge]

When did you start getting really active on social media about housewives?

[Miguel Luciano]

Six months ago.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, really?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Miguel Luciano]

Like, I went from just being a selfish. Like, here's a picture of me at the restaurant. Here's a picture of me on vacation. Like, no content creating just, like, pictures of my life.

[Tamara Judge]

Will you be my coach? My acting coach? Yeah, if I want to be. Come back. And as an actress, we.

[Miguel Luciano]

But I.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Please advise her not to.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, we've all seen that. How Much of a singer I am.

[Miguel Luciano]

Well, well, I said to Vicki when we were. I was on her podcast, I said Tamara would be good because she's going, they're good at making money, so she'll listen to everything I tell her.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And they're crazy.

[Miguel Luciano]

And they're crazy. And you, as an actor, you have to be able. You have to be able to suspend into disbelief. So I think it'd be great. What sign are you?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I'm a cancer.

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Oh.

[Miguel Luciano]

Very emotional. That's good. Introspective. See? All great qualities.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Makes sense. That's why we work together.

[Miguel Luciano]

Yeah, exactly. It's perfect, actually. That is a good balance.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, that's a very good balance.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I know.

[Tamara Judge]

So you're originally from Miami?

[Miguel Luciano]

Born and raised in Miami. That's why I have the Alexi and Marisol accent down. Because, you know, from Miami, you know, we have to talk a certain way and there's a certain thing. And bro, it's absolutely, you know, if you're not from there, you don't get it. So, you know, it's just. It is what it is. And at the end of the day, that's how we are. So, you know, I don't know what to tell you.

[Tamara Judge]

Nailed it.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I'm so, so happy you said the bro.

[Miguel Luciano]

Bro. Absolutely. And then it's the mirror. I've.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Buffalo, bro.

[Miguel Luciano]

Are you kidding me? I mean, this is like. It's like. No, forget it. I mean, I just can't. I can't. I know. Boil. I can't. I can't eat a cocky. I can't.

[Tamara Judge]

Is Miami because you're from Miami? Is that your favorite franchise?

[Miguel Luciano]

No, it's.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It's Meredith Marks.

[Miguel Luciano]

Frankly, I. Yes, I do love my Meredith Marks and Mary Cosby.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, how could anybody know Mary Cosby?

[Miguel Luciano]

Well, I was on the Mary Cosby train when people were not on it, like, her first season. Yeah. Some people are like, she's crazy. I'm like, she's crazy as a fox. And I trust her. I'll let her do my taxes. I'm into. I'm into the Mary Cosby thing. I let her do anything she wants. So I think Miami and Salt Lake City are my favorites because they're the most comical. Like, I just like to laugh.

[Tamara Judge]

Have you ever done stand up?

[Miguel Luciano]

No.

[Tamara Judge]

Would you?

[Miguel Luciano]

The idea of, like, my sole purpose being to make people laugh for an hour and a half is not necessarily what I think I would want to do. I like storytelling, which, you guys, you know, stand up comedy storytelling, but goes together.

[Tamara Judge]

I can see you at the improv.

[Miguel Luciano]

All right, well, maybe. Maybe I'll do it.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, Have. Do you listen to the two T's?

[Miguel Luciano]

Yeah, I do. I have, and I love it when you have the guest people to take over your spot when you can't comment on things. I think the whole thing is genius.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, how we rotate in and out.

[Miguel Luciano]

Yeah. I love it. I think it's really smart.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Thank you. It's really fun. So what is your. I knew your favorite two you just said were Salt Lake City and Miami, but what's your ultimate favorite season franchise?

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Everything.

[Miguel Luciano]

That's really hard. I mean, OG Ronnie was really, really special. Did you guys watch that? Were you? Yeah, because I forget which Housewives actually enjoyed, like, watching it even when they weren't filming or whatever, you know? But I loved OG Roni, so I would say the Bethany seasons, when she came back, were really amazing.

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Do you think that they should bring.

[Tamara Judge]

Back some of the originals when they reboot it?

[Miguel Luciano]

I think at this point it's too far gone. I think they should do something else. I think they should do a different OG Ronnie thing. I don't think you can bring.

[Tamara Judge]

They tried with the Ultimate Girls trip.

[Miguel Luciano]

And I thought it was great.

[Tamara Judge]

Right, but why'd they. Why'd they pause it?

[Miguel Luciano]

Yeah, I don't know, but I don't think. I think at this point now, like, I don't want to see Dorinda and.

[Tamara Judge]

Aaron, so that's the problem.

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[Tamara Judge]

Who do you mix together with the originals? That is going to make sense.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

Sense.

[Miguel Luciano]

The closest would be Carol Rodell, I think would be like, cuz she's kind of cool in downtown and like, well.

[Tamara Judge]

She'S getting a lot of, like, traction. So something's going.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She made up with Andy and all those.

[Miguel Luciano]

The makeup with Andy was epic. And then she came back like, it was like watching, you know, the movie star come back to her little town.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Miguel Luciano]

Like, hi, everyone. You know, Benton, Illinois. Good to see you.

[Tamara Judge]

Do you think that Andy will ever make up with Bethany?

[Miguel Luciano]

Yeah, I think Andy seems like at the end of the day he's able to put no. You don't think so?

[Tamara Judge]

I don't think so.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I think he could. I think Andy's fine. As long as you can give a true apology.

[Miguel Luciano]

Yeah. I think if you genuinely looked at him and said I was out of line or I was what, blank, blank, blank, blank, blank. I think he could say, fine, I accept it. Maybe we're not going to lunch, but.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, maybe we're not.

[Tamara Judge]

If he can remain Friends with Jeff Lewis.

[Miguel Luciano]

Yeah. Oh, my God. I mean, I'm amazed at how they have. Have been able to do that because they're both.

[Tamara Judge]

Jeff Lewis is TV gold.

[Miguel Luciano]

Yeah, he is.

[Tamara Judge]

He's TV gold.

[Miguel Luciano]

So then do you think Andy's able to look past certain things of your TV gold?

[Tamara Judge]

Probably.

[Miguel Luciano]

Well, Bethany, is TV gold. Love or hater? I mean, there's even. Luanne had to say it at the show. I just hosted Luann in conversation at her show this weekend.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, you did?

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

Yeah.

[Miguel Luciano]

That was so much fun. And Luann was like, you know, love her hater, but sorry. You know, she's reality television entertainment. She's great. You know, there's no one better, you know.

[Tamara Judge]

Have you been to Luann's show? You've gone to Luanne's show?

[Miguel Luciano]

I've never seen the Cabaret, but she has a new show called the Lunar, so I hosted her in conversation with her.

[Tamara Judge]

She's gonna be in la.

[Miguel Luciano]

Yeah, I know. I'm super excited.

[Tamara Judge]

We missed it.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I think so.

[Miguel Luciano]

It was this weekend.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It was this weekend.

[Miguel Luciano]

She should have texted you.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, we missed it.

[Tamara Judge]

I wanted to go.

[Miguel Luciano]

This is Friday and Saturday. Well, it's late now. There's no point plugging it.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But we don't, because I have not.

[Miguel Luciano]

I'll give you the show later today when we go to lunch. I'll do the whole Luanne show for you. I have a perfect memory. I can tell you all the anecdotes.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Okay, Perfect.

[Miguel Luciano]

But it's not nearly as good as Luann.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Of course. On Vicky's podcast, you stated you think Tamara carries OC. Do you stand by this 100%.

[Tamara Judge]

Please tell me why.

[Miguel Luciano]

Okay.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Okay. Please compliment her.

[Tamara Judge]

She needs it right now. As I sip my coffee.

[Miguel Luciano]

Ooh, that's a good gif. Or that's a good Me and Tamara. Well, I think you carry the show because you're the most aware of how the show works. So, like. And some people have had complaints about that. Right. Like, that you produce it. I don't necessarily see you as producing it. I forget what podcast I said this on. Oh, I think it might have been betches, but I said every group has a person who. Who is sort of a leader.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Miguel Luciano]

And like in real life, not on the show. Like in real life, we have people that move things along, that mediate. They go, you need to get over this, and you need to talk to Kendall and figure this out. People do that. So you do that in the group. You sort of. You kind of make everything work. And on top of that. You're just entertaining.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Thank you.

[Miguel Luciano]

You're just really entertaining. And also, I think you don't get credit enough for how funny you are. Oh, yeah. I think you're actually really funny.

[Tamara Judge]

Sorry, sorry.

[Miguel Luciano]

I know, Teddy.

[Tamara Judge]

I am funny. I'm like Heather to bro in that scene. I am funny.

[Miguel Luciano]

Wait, can I also talk about that? That pissed me off because poor Heather. Listen, as much as Heather drives me bonkers, I like her for the show. I don't really know this season, she was kind of a non starter for me. You could have taken her out completely and I wouldn't even. Oh, no. And I. And I don't dislike her. I like. Actually, no, let me take that back. Her impact with advocating for LGBTQ and all of that was amazing. And that I. So let me take that back. But in terms of actual storyline, other than that, which was impactful but with the ladies, I mean, she kind of defended you. She did it, but she's rich. But homegirl needs to show up and justify that check. Because I'm like, I mean, she wasn't on your side and she wasn't not on your side. So I'm like, okay, that was boring to me.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But I don't think they let Tamara and Heather be together enough. Every single group event.

[Miguel Luciano]

They split you guys up.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, we were split up.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So then it's like, you're. That's what you're gonna get.

[Miguel Luciano]

But she also, behind her back, either wasn't on your side, but then she kind of was, like, engaging and like.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, but wasn't the whole cast like that this season?

[Miguel Luciano]

Yeah, but she's the one who's the closest to you, so that just didn't make sense to me. Like, if I were you, I would be upset that Heather either, like, girl, either talk shit about me and, like, you're actually not my friend, or like this weird, like, fence wrangling just rub.

[Tamara Judge]

Me the wrong way because she gets shit for being my friend.

[Miguel Luciano]

But then she shouldn't be your friend, then if she can wholeheartedly say, give me the shit, and I'll take it because that's my friend.

[Tamara Judge]

But the interest is because I've been.

[Miguel Luciano]

Friends with people that are hard to defend. And I say, listen, I don't know. I'm just an Aries. I don't know. I'm like, balls to the wall. You're either my friend or you're not.

[Tamara Judge]

But at the end of the day, we're filming a reality show together and she has to call me out on the Things, and I want people to call me out on the things.

[Miguel Luciano]

I agree. No, I agree. I don't think that she should be blind. I don't necessarily believe in blind loyalty or allegiance, but there's a.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

We're not gonna get along.

[Miguel Luciano]

Come again? No. But, you know, I. I definitely think, you know, calling people out and saying, I don't agree with Tamara. I don't think the way that she did this was right. But I have the friendship to be able to tell her. I don't know. There was something about it.

[Tamara Judge]

She does have the friendship.

[Miguel Luciano]

So then maybe she got a bad at it. You're doing a good job being Heather's friend right now, so that's good. You're really taking care of her right now. She'll be happy when she sees this podcast.

[Tamara Judge]

I do care about her. I mean, I've known her for so many years. She was in my wedding. And the problem is, when you do have, like, a true friend on this show, it's difficult. It's difficult because you can't have this blind.

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[Miguel Luciano]

No, you can't. Yeah, I agree.

[Tamara Judge]

Because, you know, if you can't call them out, then it's all fake.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But you have to be able to call them out. And then you have to also be able to receive the information, take it back, and then move on. Which I think some franchises are great at doing. Moving on. Salt Lake City OC Is not one of them.

[Miguel Luciano]

Yeah.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

No.

[Miguel Luciano]

Salt Lake City has three conflicts in one episode.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. Like, there's just constant.

[Tamara Judge]

And the next time, they're cheering and having fun. And that's what I think works.

[Miguel Luciano]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

When you're holding grudges for two years, or in this case, 15 years. Like, no one wants to hear it.

[Miguel Luciano]

Wait, what was the number again? 15.

[Tamara Judge]

15. Like, you have to move forward. You have to have these fights. Conflict resolution. Conflict resolution. But if it's, like, when you start icing people out.

[Miguel Luciano]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

That's not good.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Miguel Luciano]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Do you watch all the franchises?

[Miguel Luciano]

Most of them.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Did you watch Potomac?

[Tamara Judge]

Which one do you hate?

[Miguel Luciano]

I watched Potomac in and out because I was late to the game. But I have seen Potomac. Karen Huger's amazing.

[Tamara Judge]

What about Wendy?

[Miguel Luciano]

I'm. I'm just shook. I. I'm. That's like the last housewife I was expecting. She's literally the most, like, decorated with degrees. I mean.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Miguel Luciano]

And it's funny because I didn't go to college, you know, Like, I.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Neither did we. Yeah, obviously.

[Tamara Judge]

And it's funny because we are so successful. What do you mean?

[Miguel Luciano]

But that's. The comical thing, is that going to school doesn't mean that you're a certain kind of person. I mean, there's people that are masters and have doctorates, and they're just as capable and fallible as the rest of us. Right.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, well, it all falls down on your character.

[Miguel Luciano]

Yeah, exactly.

[Tamara Judge]

Character's not all the different world, but your morals and your character, if they're.

[Miguel Luciano]

Not aligned, it has nothing to. Exactly. I have a lot of flaws, but I just don't tend to steal. And there's not one of my. Just not one of my things. You know what I'm saying? And she chose one that's pretty. I mean, I feel for her, because to have to get to that point, you must be deeply insecure about perception and image. You know, and it's the acting coach in me that always has to look at characters from like, well, why did they do this?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Miguel Luciano]

Which is why I enjoy watching the Housewives. The magical question I always ask my actors is, fine, your character's doing something you would never do, but what could make you do it? What could make you do that thing?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And what could make you actually believe that you could get away with him? Yeah, that's the thing that's. I mean, we have to. I'm gonna say this innocent till proven guilty, but I listened to Andy saying, you know, how sad he was about this, and how about Wendy? Yeah, about Wendy and how he just couldn't believe it. And I feel like so many of us feel the same exact way, because Wendy has always been the one that's kind of has the. You know, she's holding her own always, and holds people to a certain level almost to. To a fault.

[Miguel Luciano]

Yeah, it was. There were moments where it was unbecoming of her.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yes.

[Tamara Judge]

I would say, well, maybe if she goes to jail, maybe Emily can get her out with her Innocence Project.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Miguel Luciano]

Oh, girl, you are bad for that.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She's not there for that long.

[Miguel Luciano]

I want Emily to give some of her Innocence Project beliefs to Katie.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Or how about me?

[Miguel Luciano]

For someone who really. I mean, listen, two things can be true at the same time. Emily can be doing an amazing thing with the Innocence Project, but for her to say that cops don't lie to Katie. Last season was pretty comical.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Miguel Luciano]

So cops don't lie, but you spent a whole season talking about how some people are wrongfully imprisoned. Like, just. I think I'm allowed to say that I don't work on the show. I'm just a comedian. Actor.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And you know, you're allowed to say whatever you want.

[Miguel Luciano]

Thank you. I appreciate that. As the house housewives psychic medium that I have given. That's the nickname I've given myself. The psychic medium where I channel the housewives. I think I'm allowed, you know, because there's so many Bravo content creators that want to be called, like, the housewife whisperer or the housewife reporter. I want to be in my own lane. I'm the psychic. There's only two psychics in the housewife world. Allison Dubois.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, Scott Cruz.

[Miguel Luciano]

Yeah. So then I'm not the psychic. I'm the medium. My channel.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Whatever.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't know what the.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You're the into.

[Miguel Luciano]

Intuitive.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You're the intuitive.

[Miguel Luciano]

I'm the intuitive. The house.

[Tamara Judge]

Have you always been into. You told me you're intuitive. Have you always been like that?

[Miguel Luciano]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

What kind of vibes are you getting from us right now?

[Miguel Luciano]

Great. Hard working. Hot. I don't know.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Love that.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You look great to my profile.

[Miguel Luciano]

Right. Hot. Exactly.

[Tamara Judge]

That we're not doing is scissoring.

[Miguel Luciano]

But, hey, the day is. It's still. That's still early.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Hold on. We never got to talk about this. Because you didn't.

[Tamara Judge]

You weren't doing the pod that night because I did. I was at the reunion.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, you were at the reunion.

[Tamara Judge]

So can we talk about the potential scissoring that went on between Adriana?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But we can. It pisses me off, the scissoring thing. There's multiple ways.

[Tamara Judge]

I just don't think scissoring is to touch.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No, there's multiple ways.

[Miguel Luciano]

Adriana was just looking.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Do you not have a vagina? Do you not have fingers?

[Tamara Judge]

Do you not have a strap on?

[Miguel Luciano]

But look, the bottom line is Adriana, who I like a lot. I think she's great on the show. I like her. I think she's funny. I. You know, I want her and Marisol to somehow make up. That'll probably never happen, but I want that to be. I want them to sort of be like, yo, we've known each other for almost 20 years. Let's. Can we just, like, come on. Let's just try.

[Tamara Judge]

It's like me and Vicky.

[Miguel Luciano]

Yeah. And I'm very sentimental that way with time. So I'm like, I hope that somehow they can get there, you know, whatever. But point being, what were we saying? Adhd. I don't like the squirrel.

[Tamara Judge]

The scissor scissoring.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh.

[Miguel Luciano]

Adriana, as much as I like her, was reductive in that moment, and she reduced like, don't Use big words.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

What is it?

[Miguel Luciano]

Okay, so she would just. She just tried to, like, bring, like, girl on girl sex down to, like, basically nothing. If there's no dick involved, then it's not real. Number one. That's kind of offensive to women that have sex with women.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, I think that it's just her lack of knowledge, because.

[Miguel Luciano]

No, but she's also. No, she's very smart, and she's very cultured, and she's very educated of the show. Every clip is her talking about culture from the 1800s. So she's completely aware that sex can be powerful and meaningful and intimate with two women. She just wanted to say, whatever, there's no dick.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But it was the other women, I thought, that really dove in and were like, oh, well, did you scissor? Did you this? And.

[Miguel Luciano]

No, the.

[Tamara Judge]

I was surprised.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Nobody.

[Miguel Luciano]

Yeah. I mean, people.

[Tamara Judge]

According to Darren, who is Andy's assistant, for years, she had a podcast saying, scissoring's not a thing.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I don't think it's a big thing. I don't think I want to try it. I think it's the same when it. I'm ignoring you. I have scissored a male.

[Tamara Judge]

A male.

[Miguel Luciano]

I mean, people do all kinds of things. And the women did laugh at it, which, I mean, it was comical and hilarious, but there were moments where it was a little, like. Yeah, it got a little cringe.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It got a little cringe. It got a little, like, uneducated.

[Tamara Judge]

What are your thoughts on Julia bringing this up?

[Miguel Luciano]

Damn.

[Tamara Judge]

What was her motivation behind it?

[Miguel Luciano]

I think. God. Do you want me to be honest?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

No, I want you to lie.

[Miguel Luciano]

Okay, well, your cast does it all the time, so I don't know what you're used to. Sorry. You were sarcastic with me earlier, so now I'm getting it on Tamara. Okay, shake hand and lean back. Or lean forward. That's my tabra. And you want to know how I discovered it? Adhd. I was at dinner with some friends, and we were big fans of yours, and we were talking about something months ago, long before I was, you know, popping off in this way. And I just said, well, because, you know, it's a Tamara. And they went, oh, my God, you just did. I was like, you're right, I did. I just. I just. I just did a Tamra. I didn't even realize it because I observe people so much.

[Tamara Judge]

Do you know what I've been told? This was years ago when somebody else was imitating people, that I was just so vanilla, there was nothing to take.

[Miguel Luciano]

That is they're wrong.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

That is wrong. I could.

[Miguel Luciano]

That's not true.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

For hours.

[Miguel Luciano]

Yeah, no, you've got. But it's mainly the thing here. And then you sometimes have the little. There's like a little smirking film.

[Tamara Judge]

Amy Phillips would say that. I would say, I'm pissed.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

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[Tamara Judge]

And that's the only thing that Amy.

[Miguel Luciano]

I never noticed, ever. No, but the hand and then the forward. But Julia, to be really honest, I think, in my personal opinion, I think she probably wanted another storyline for next season.

[Tamara Judge]

Do you think?

[Miguel Luciano]

I think it's probably a little job.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Security, because I saw something that said that now. That now. I mean, this is. I saw something online. Nothing.

[Tamara Judge]

After the Haitian mortician.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, after that. That Martina was filing for divorce or something. Yeah. Did you see that?

[Tamara Judge]

I saw that. I don't know that I believe it.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I don't know that I believe it came from it.

[Miguel Luciano]

But, I mean, I think. I wouldn't be surprised. I think it's pretty. I think it's pretty shocking to go on TV and be that. And Adriana laid her ass out. She sliced and diced her like a lunchable. I mean, the. She really did. Adriana was just like a lunchable wham, bam, thank you, ma', am in a doggy bag on Home. I mean, I could not believe it. The cop and the thing. I mean, she really went.

[Tamara Judge]

Let's not forget about the coffee pot.

[Miguel Luciano]

And the coffee machine.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But I want to know what kind of coffee machine was it?

[Miguel Luciano]

A Keurig? A Breville? Yeah. What was it?

[Tamara Judge]

Well, let's hope it's like a little bit higher than a Keurig, but, you know, I love my espresso machine that cost thousands of dollars.

[Miguel Luciano]

Exactly the specificity of a Haitian mortician with a coffee machine as a gift.

[Tamara Judge]

By the way, who's she? They. They can't afford a coffee machine.

[Miguel Luciano]

And morticians do great. Everybody's dying these days. It's like, I mean, the world's falling apart. I mean, I. Come on. Haitian mortician, you know, she chose the right one.

[Tamara Judge]

Lost me on that one, though. The Haitian mortician.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

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[Tamara Judge]

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[Tamara Judge]

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[Tamara Judge]

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, she came on the pod. Adriana did.

[Miguel Luciano]

She did.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yes. She just.

[Tamara Judge]

I wasn't there. I was at the reunion.

[Miguel Luciano]

I was about to say because you guys like each other or you don't or what?

[Tamara Judge]

So I really didn't know her very well then. We did watch what Happens Live Together and I really like you guys seem.

[Miguel Luciano]

To get along that yeah, we got.

[Tamara Judge]

Along, and we've been texting back and forth, and I get along with 99% of the Housewives. The 1% is Teresa, who are on.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

A panel with at Bravo Con. So that should be great.

[Miguel Luciano]

That's really funny. Why? What's the. What's the theme of that panel?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Best friends.

[Miguel Luciano]

Okay, so you, too?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Miguel Luciano]

And then who's. Who's Teresa's Dolores.

[Tamara Judge]

No, think about it.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

Alexia Alexa Napola. Yeah.

[Miguel Luciano]

That doesn't make any sense.

[Tamara Judge]

I guess they're good friends.

[Miguel Luciano]

Well, I guess I have. No, that makes sense. And, like, they. People have called each other, like, the. That Alexia is the Miami Theresa, and the Teresa is the. Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Do you remember earlier on the season when Alexia was dealing with the divorce news, there was.

[Miguel Luciano]

She called, and she basically called her for her car. That makes sense.

[Tamara Judge]

So they're close.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

They're close.

[Miguel Luciano]

Oh, that's interesting. I mean, Alexia's best friend is unequivocally Marisol, but that's an odd. Okay.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Miguel Luciano]

Okay.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I think I'm switching it up.

[Miguel Luciano]

Just doing a Tamara. Okay.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It is what it is.

[Miguel Luciano]

I'm switching it up, I guess.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Can we talk about Stacy's breath?

[Miguel Luciano]

I mean, I prefer petty. I mean, I'm. I'm divided. Some people were saying that it's really, you know, mean of the ladies to do that, but I'd rather they make fun of. Make fun of her breath than something really insidious. Well, that's just. Yeah. That. We got to keep it moving.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Remember when Camille did that on Beverly Hills with Vanderpump? Yes.

[Miguel Luciano]

I was so sad because I had this vision. Are you. How are you in Vanderpump?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I mean, we don't hang out.

[Miguel Luciano]

Okay, but you're neutral.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, I'm neutral.

[Miguel Luciano]

Okay. I'm a big Vanderpump fan. I enjoy her on the show. I think she's fun to watch. I think she's. I think she's a great housewife. I was really sad to hear that she smelled because I really. Because she looks like she smells great. She looks like. She smells like rich luxury. So, like, to me, when I think.

[Tamara Judge]

Of what housewife do you think smells when you look at them?

[Miguel Luciano]

Yeah, I'm not going to answer that. I'm not going to answer that.

[Tamara Judge]

Can you give me initials?

[Miguel Luciano]

No, no, no, no, no, no. Because there's some that I've been like, well, she looks like maybe a hairbrush could, you know, do her good or, you know, so. But no, no. Vanderpump.

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[Miguel Luciano]

A Little roller, A little lip roller. Maybe some people look. No, I don't know. I mean, the thing is that now that I don't drink anymore, the one scent that is like, is like the vodka breath. When people have like two or three cocktails. The juiciness of vodka. So I can see certain houses because.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You can kind of smell their inside.

[Tamara Judge]

It comes from the gut. It comes from the butthole. I swear, it's like. It does.

[Miguel Luciano]

It's all the way from the butthole.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You're like, hold on, Mary. Who said that? Was she?

[Miguel Luciano]

So certain people like the cocktail breath. You know what I'm talking about? Where you're like, that pineapple vodka. No. Even in that moment.

[Tamara Judge]

Can I tell you something? I had to sit next to somebody at the reunion. I will not name them, but we'll figure it out. Once the breath was that breathing. Like, I was like leaning more towards Andy and leaning because I'm like, I'm gonna barf.

[Miguel Luciano]

And he said, I'm very sensitive to sense.

[Tamara Judge]

Me too.

[Miguel Luciano]

Yeah. So I can't. I just.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She's also sensitive to noises.

[Tamara Judge]

Like accidentally lights. I. Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

If I'm like sniffly or I'm like itching something on the pot, or if.

[Tamara Judge]

I swallow or breathe too loud.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. Or if I like have indigestion at all.

[Tamara Judge]

And I'm like, she has heartburn all the time.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I always have heartburn. She'll be like, do you have heartburn?

[Tamara Judge]

Stop it. Don't swallow so loud. It's great. At dinner time, we have to turn.

[Miguel Luciano]

So much fun.

[Tamara Judge]

We have to actually turn music on when we eat dinner at home. Because.

[Miguel Luciano]

Because the sound of her chewing. Jonas.

[Tamara Judge]

No, no, her husband. My husband.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Thankfully, Eddie beats me.

[Tamara Judge]

Or my daughter, whoever sees.

[Miguel Luciano]

Have you seen my Eddie smile?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

What?

[Miguel Luciano]

Have you seen my Eddie impersonation?

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

No.

[Tamara Judge]

I would love it.

[Miguel Luciano]

Oh, my God. You've never seen my Eddie impersonation. I did the real husbands at White Lotus and I'm just like, you might be related.

[Tamara Judge]

You could be Eddie's son.

[Miguel Luciano]

Yeah, I've got Eddie's smile down. You ready?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. That is it. But you know what?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

That's his.

[Tamara Judge]

That's his fake smile.

[Miguel Luciano]

Well, then camera smile.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

That's his picture smile.

[Tamara Judge]

And then when he smiles regularly, he.

[Miguel Luciano]

Actually opens it up.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Miguel Luciano]

Yeah, but on camera, because he's really a supportive husband. Cuz he does not want to be there. He's there for you, to support you, to hold down the four. Babe, whatever you need, I got you. And I saw that in the episode last night. Where they were like, eddie just lets his wife. Yeah. Cuz Eddie. Eddie knows. This is not like I have a real life. This is not my job. I don't get validation from this stupidest.

[Tamara Judge]

Thing I've ever heard.

[Miguel Luciano]

But it was perfect, though. It was. It was. To me, it was a perfect thing to say.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Miguel Luciano]

Because it was like, there's two kinds of men. Men that are gonna do what the other guy's doing and men that are gonna do what Eddie's doing.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Eddie would be.

[Miguel Luciano]

You know what I'm saying?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Eddie would be more active on the show if there were guys on the show that he could hang with. He likes Terry. He likes Shane. We don't really know much about Travis. We hardly ever see him. Travis seems. He's very, very nice, but it's not like he's got that, you know, I mean, I. But he loves Joe Gorga, so if we went to Jersey, he would be fit right in. More active.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

The Eds do a podcast. Our.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, he's still your husband.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I don't even know. I love how I always am. Like our husband. Well, my husband, Ish does a podcast with Eddie and they. They just did.

[Tamara Judge]

They interviewed Joe Borga for Wife Swap.

[Miguel Luciano]

Oh, that's fun.

[Tamara Judge]

In our house, our offices are right next to each other. And he was. They were laughing. He was laughing hysterically the entire time. And I'm like, it's Joey Gorga.

[Miguel Luciano]

He's a fun guy. I mean, I have. I have conflicting opinions on the men on the shows. Sometimes I think it works really well, and other times I'm like, I could maybe live without this a little bit.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Who's your number one man?

[Miguel Luciano]

I don't have. I don't really. I don't really want men on tv. I really don't.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I'm an actor, but I don't want men on tv.

[Miguel Luciano]

Not on Housewives. I don't want Housewives. I don't want to watch. I've never seen an episode of Vanderpump Rules. I have no desire to know the lore of Jacks or the Tom Toms. I'm sorry. I doubt they're fans of mine, so I doubt they're gonna be watching this. I don't care. I don't want to see God. Like, I don't care about most guys.

[Tamara Judge]

That get too involved in Housewives. And I'm removing Jersey from this because they somehow work for them because they're all really good friends. Yeah, they're like little bitches.

[Miguel Luciano]

Yeah. It's not enjoyable for Me. And I don't want to watch men yell at women. I don't want to watch. It just. It creates a dynamic that's so bizarre to me, and it's not enjoyable, but.

[Tamara Judge]

It'S all about me. She's talking about me. So I have to get in there and I have to say something like.

[Miguel Luciano]

No, you have to let this go because you're not contractually obligated to be on this show. And it's.

[Tamara Judge]

Nor are they getting paid.

[Miguel Luciano]

Yeah. Oh, it. Okay. I didn't know that.

[Tamara Judge]

No friends.

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She's.

[Miguel Luciano]

Homegirl's getting paid. But he's.

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Men.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Men do.

[Miguel Luciano]

Yeah. He's hoping maybe if he really continues, they'll give him a check.

[Tamara Judge]

It might straighten his dick up. But honestly, like, if Eddie. If somebody's talking about Eddie, well, they have. And he's like, do you think I gave a shit?

[Miguel Luciano]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Like, I think it's all about insecure.

[Miguel Luciano]

Yeah, exactly. He's not concerned about trying to sway people's opinions because he doesn't give a shit.

[Tamara Judge]

He doesn't give a shit.

[Miguel Luciano]

Yeah. And that's like, it.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

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[Miguel Luciano]

And which is why I think your relationship works.

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Yes.

[Miguel Luciano]

Because you are a fighter. You're going to go to, you know, to quote Lisa Barley, you're going to go the fucking distance. And he's like. And he's good. He's like, I don't need to go anywhere.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, that's so exciting that you just did a little salt Lake, because I was about to transition into right now.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

Yeah.

[Miguel Luciano]

We're connected on the same page here. So I turned you into a hugger.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I mean, I did at least 15 seconds of a hug.

[Miguel Luciano]

I know. It's pretty good.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, that's a big deal for her.

[Miguel Luciano]

I know. I'm taking it.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

We pretty much have had sex.

[Tamara Judge]

We're dating. We're dating.

[Miguel Luciano]

And all you have to do is give me a cup of coffee. You didn't even have to give me a coffee machine. I'm such a cheap date.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It's not even Starbucks.

[Miguel Luciano]

I know, but, you know, I got to start upping my range.

[Tamara Judge]

I am sorry. Starting this rumor.

[Miguel Luciano]

Exactly. I have another rumor. I'm starting. That you, me, and Eddie had a threesome, and I'm going to be the Kiki of next season. This. I'm sick of it. Why didn't I get that spot? I want to be. And I'm going to. I'm going to create accounts. They're going to be called, I don't know, Housewives, person. 7294.

[Tamara Judge]

You're going to create a fake.

[Miguel Luciano]

I'm going to create a fake account to spread rumors about me, you and Eddie scissoring. And then it's going to go viral.

[Tamara Judge]

Were you and Eddie scissoring me?

[Miguel Luciano]

All three of us.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

All three?

[Miguel Luciano]

Three.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, it was a triple scissor.

[Miguel Luciano]

A triple scissors. Triple scissors. I don't care what. It could be a. It could be a game of Twister. I don't really give a. But I'm gonna Photoshop AI pictures of his face. Yes. And you're gonna. And you're gonna sing while we're doing it. Oh, you're gonna moan and sing. Cuz apparently that's the thing. Okay. I sing.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Moan.

[Miguel Luciano]

Yeah. See? And I'm gonna make this a thing because I'm like, kiki got all this press. I'm like, I'm gonna be the next blogger. I don't blog anything.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I know, I love that. We can't say blogger, okay?

[Tamara Judge]

We have content creator.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Content creator.

[Miguel Luciano]

I hate even being called that because I'm like, I don't even know. I'm just an actor who is doing funny. I don't know. I'm a bad influencer. You can't call me an influencer.

[Tamara Judge]

But you're not out there like recapping the show.

[Miguel Luciano]

I don't recall. I don't comment on anything. Like on podcasts, I'm very. Even today, I'm like, I'll give a little bit, but I don't want to be known or seen as someone who's in that sphere because I genuinely love the housewives and sometimes the world of blogging gets so. Or opinion giving is just mean. It's just. It is mean. And I. Yeah, I don't want to.

[Tamara Judge]

What are your thoughts? Thoughts on housewives? Across the board, all the franchises. There's so much blogger information.

[Miguel Luciano]

I mean, I think, I don't think it's fun for the show. I don't. I mean, I think. I don't think it. I don't think it does the thing. It doesn't help. In my opinion, as an audience member, it makes it too. It takes me outside of the world and I like being in the world with you ladies. I like being a fly on the wall in those conversations. Once we start talking about Instagram, I feel like, well, now I'm. I'm. You're in my living room and I don't want to be in my living room. I want to be on your house in Orange County. I want to be on your vacation in Amsterdam. So to me, it's like, it kind of just take. It makes it a little less about you ladies and more about the world that we're in.

[Tamara Judge]

But don't you see? Like, now bloggers are trying to insert themselves, hoping that they can get on.

[Miguel Luciano]

The show, like me with the Affair.

[Tamara Judge]

So let's. Yeah, so let's say, like, you know, a housewife's talking to a blogger, just shooting the shit with the blogger, and then that blogger goes and tells somebody else to try to get on the show. I mean, it's just like a nasty cesspool at this point.

[Miguel Luciano]

But if you really think about it, the housewives community for a long time has wanted to be versions of housewives. Like, that's why I think when people say, why do you think the housewife community is so mean online? Because I think they want to be unfiltered and bitchy and not have any consequences. So they write all these mean things because it's like, well, this is the world you guys are in, so why can't I be a part of it, too?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

That's a good point.

[Miguel Luciano]

I want to be a housewife. I want to throw a glass. I want to say, fuck you, Tamara. Right? So I think the bloggers. There's a part of them. Look, when I had dinner with Alexia, someone commented, I don't get many mean comments. Thank God. But someone wrote, miguel, just face it. You'll never be a housewife. I'm like, that's the funniest, weirdest thing, because I'm like, I'm an actor. I'm a trained actor. I've been doing theater since I was 11. I'm obsessed with acting and television. Like, what? So, like, that was their take. But that's a projection. It's not about me. Yeah, I'm impersonating them, but they're thinking, yeah, you want to be living like, no, I'm good. I am a man. I like living like a man. I have no desire to be a woman or to be on tv. If someone offered me a reality TV show right now, I'd say, no. But people project a lot of their own shit onto other people.

[Tamara Judge]

So I was gonna ask you, would you ever do a reality tv?

[Miguel Luciano]

No, I don't think so. I think it would. It would delegitimize me as an actor, and I'm a very good actor. And I don't say that cocky. I say, I've been doing it my whole life. Yeah, I can't do your taxes. I can't play football. I can't help you with math. But I can teach acting and I can act and that's all I wanna do. So even if Bravo came with me, and I'm also crazy as fuck, I have a crazy mouth and I would say some crazy shit and I would.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Get myself in trouble.

[Miguel Luciano]

I would. And I would be great reality tv, because once I get going, there is no stopping me. There's no stopping me. And I can. Yeah. So, I mean, I'm sure I would create some iconic moments, but I wouldn't be proud of it because I, you know, I'm trying to be a better person.

[Tamara Judge]

So if I wanted to take acting classes.

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[Tamara Judge]

Where do you teach? Is it like.

[Miguel Luciano]

I teach at a studio, but I teach privately as well. Like, contact me privately because I'm a private. Acting.

[Tamara Judge]

Is it like you. It's like you're like. You go to people's houses or do you work out of a zoom?

[Miguel Luciano]

I work at an establishment. Zach Barnett Studios in la.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay.

[Miguel Luciano]

I do group classes and then I teach privately. So if you just wanted to do private classes or coachings, I'm just asking for the audience. Thank you.

[Tamara Judge]

Might want to.

[Miguel Luciano]

To work with me. Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Because I.

[Miguel Luciano]

What I'd rather, Tamara, is hook me up with a producer, you know, and get me an audition for a show. Because I know, you know, people.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, we actually might.

[Miguel Luciano]

That's what I need. I just want to go back to acting on tv. That's all I want. I was on a TV show thousand years ago. Are you really okay? I can impersonate.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Producer.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh. Would you like to be at a horse show? He's not a horse show producer.

[Miguel Luciano]

Welcome to the Orange County. Oh, my gosh.

[Tamara Judge]

He's not a horse show. The opening of the horse show.

[Miguel Luciano]

Welcome to the Orange County Horse Show. My name is Miguel Luciano, best known for my Tamara Judge and Teddy Melon Camp here on two Te's in a pod. That's. See, that's my tea. That's my.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Okay, we need impersonations. I need Dolores.

[Miguel Luciano]

Dolores, I don't do that much of. But I. I did her once where it's a little bit of like, I can't get her voice down, but she's got. I do the. There's like a. A facial expression I can do.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Okay.

[Tamara Judge]

Can I tell you what she did right?

[Miguel Luciano]

You see it.

[Tamara Judge]

Her advice to me when I went into the reunion was, they say anything, Tamara, you tell them to go suck a dick.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

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[Tamara Judge]

You tell them, go, go Suck a dick, Patterson.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

And I'm like, yep, Dolores, that's what I'm gonna do. Tell them to suck a dick.

[Miguel Luciano]

Suck a dick.

[Tamara Judge]

Suck a dick.

[Miguel Luciano]

But you're changing. You can't be saying that, girl.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Can you do Erika Jayne?

[Miguel Luciano]

I used to do a little bit of Erika Jayne. All these crazy bitches. I was a little bit of my Erika Jayne, but she's kind of harder. Cause she doesn't have that many facial expressions or, you know, mannerisms.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So it's probably impossible to do me.

[Miguel Luciano]

No, this is you right here. You look just straight ahead and you just talk. Yeah, I was.

[Tamara Judge]

And I was very monotone.

[Miguel Luciano]

I was refreshing my memory on you on the show. So I watched it last night, and you were like, you just. You look at the person and you just talk to them. It's pretty amazing. I was like, wow.

[Tamara Judge]

It's not very animated.

[Miguel Luciano]

No, you're not. But there is still something to impersonate with it. It's just, you're here and you just say the words. And there's sometimes some choppiness in the words.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, you did my hand.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

Yeah.

[Miguel Luciano]

Yeah. See, it came to me just in that moment. So that's the thing, is that sometimes. So I don't really study people, but in moments when I'm channeling them, I will do physical mannerisms that I didn't even realize they did. Like with Alexia, she does the shirt. I didn't realize it until after I filmed it. People were like, you got Alexia? Shirt pull.

[Tamara Judge]

I was like, what about Kyle's?

[Miguel Luciano]

No, Kyle. The thing. My favorite thing about Kyle is she's always, like, playing with her lips. And then sometimes when she's mad, she does an under bite like this.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, she does.

[Miguel Luciano]

Have you noticed that, Teddi?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yep.

[Miguel Luciano]

I'll be like.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But what I noticed the most is.

[Miguel Luciano]

She does this like a shoulder socket.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, I know. She's revved up.

[Miguel Luciano]

Can you give me any tea? On the next season? Because I've been. I've been. Beverly Hills has lost me the past couple of seasons. I have to say.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I've heard it's. It's back.

[Miguel Luciano]

Really?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I've heard it has a slow start, but then it comes hot.

[Miguel Luciano]

That's what they did. Like your seasons. The seasons with Vanderpump, they were slow for three fourths of it. And then all of a sudden, the last three episodes, it's crazy town.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So I think. I think it's going to be crazy town. I don't know. There's a lot of news.

[Miguel Luciano]

You're on it. No, you don't make any appearances.

[Tamara Judge]

No, she was going through the thick of it when they were filming.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

While they were filming, I was in the hospital. I didn't even watch this.

[Tamara Judge]

You were in the hospital when I started filming. And then when they started filming, you started with your immunotherapy, which made you really, really sick.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

So you did go to Kyle's daughter's wedding.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I did. I did one. I did one thing.

[Miguel Luciano]

Okay.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But I wouldn't say.

[Tamara Judge]

And then she got Covid.

[Miguel Luciano]

Gotcha.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

We have no idea. If one thing has to do with.

[Tamara Judge]

The other, you don't leave your house.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I know.

[Miguel Luciano]

Wait, so Beverly Hills is back? Supposedly. That's the word on the street.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I'm curious. I want to see the newbies.

[Tamara Judge]

How many eyes?

[Miguel Luciano]

It's two.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, Rachel Zoe.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Rachel Zo.

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[Tamara Judge]

She's already been on rally tv, so I feel like she's gonna get it. I don't know. I'm expecting it.

[Miguel Luciano]

But you know what? When you're like the. You know what? Not sincerity. Sorry. When I say you know what, it's the Ramona that comes out. You know what? The thing about when you're the star of your show.

[Tamara Judge]

Masculine.

[Miguel Luciano]

Oh, I know. You know what? Right? The thing is when you're playing, when you go from Ramona, I have to shift back into like. Okay, Remember with the thing with Rachel Zoe is that she was the star of her own world.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Miguel Luciano]

It's different when you're like the queen of your castle. Like Vanderpump on Vanderpump Rules. Ain't nobody gonna try shit with her there. So when you're having to play with people that aren't playing fair and they don't play by your rules, it's a different world.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Sometimes you play em up.

[Miguel Luciano]

But I don't think Beverly Hills gets very messy, so I don't think she should be very. I mean, you girls were tame. The one that got the messiest was Rinna. And Rinna got a lot of flack.

[Tamara Judge]

For it because I miss her. The show has never been the same since she's been gone.

[Miguel Luciano]

You know, I had a complicated relationship with Rinna. I. I really enjoy Rin on tv, so I like watching her.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Miguel Luciano]

I thought with that cast, it almost made. She just looked like such a villain because no one else was. And that's what I've said. When you've got one person on a show that is working really hard to move things along. You look fucking crazy.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yep.

[Miguel Luciano]

So you look fucking crazy on Your show because nobody else. Fucking crazy, you know, because no one else is doing that kind of proactive moving of storylines.

[Tamara Judge]

So throw me into Salt Lake. I get lost.

[Miguel Luciano]

Yeah. And New York City, you and the OGs would have been fine because they're all moving. So when one person is moving really quickly and moving things and everyone else's pantygate lasted a very long time. You see what I'm saying? So it's like the pantygate of it all. The dog of it all. Right, so with Rin, arena looked like a. A super villain because she was super transparent. Real Housewives, in my opinion, is like a social experiment. What would you do if you could say what was on your mind? And social cues be damned, manners be damned. Maybe friendship be damned. Just kind of like it's a show where we want to see you thinking out loud. And Rinna thought out loud, and it looked diabolical because she was the only one thinking out loud. Kyle would kind of try with like, let's be honest and transparent, but it just didn't work. It just didn't feel like, you know.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Because I think the hard thing about Beverly Hills and it's when I watch all the franchises now, it's that they are giving the appearance of having so much that then they rest on their laurels a little bit. And I think that when you get down to it, like Salt Lake City, they're just going for it. Yeah, they're going for it.

[Tamara Judge]

They don't even give a.

[Miguel Luciano]

They don't give a. Hold on.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Did you see that the other day after the big fight that we saw on tv, Then Britney posts all these videos of them out together, like, laughing, having fun. So it. People are like, is this fake?

[Miguel Luciano]

But. No, but I think that's. I was looking through those comments and I was like, you guys, you have to understand, like, these people, if in real friendships, sometimes you do fight and get over it. Right. And then another times it's like, well, they also have. Huh? Or you don't. Right. And then other times it's like, well, you are making a TV show together. It would behoove all of you to be able to figure it out.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Miguel Luciano]

Because it's not fun for you. You won't keep your job if you can't move past it.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, well, if you're holding grudges for two years or 15 years or one year, you gotta move on or you gotta get off.

[Miguel Luciano]

Yeah, move on or get off. It's exactly right. And I also think that's the part of the magic of salt lake city is that they do like each. It wouldn't be as fun when you don't. I wouldn't enjoy it if I thought that they all hated each other. I'll tell you the thing about dorit and I was again, re watching your show. Dorit and kyle, their fallout wasn't sad to me because I never thought they even liked each other. Yeah, sorry. I mean, that's my opinion is these two women do not like each other. They don't really, quite frankly, give a about each other. And they're both on this show and they're both like, let's just be good, smart, kind women and not go there. And then once they had to go there, good. I didn't like you to begin with, so. Because when kyle and dorit finally went at it last year with those fingers that was 15 years off, it was that it looked pent up. It looked like, I've been wanting to say this to you for a long time and I've been playing nice, but now you're gonna get it.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But now you both of them pissed.

[Miguel Luciano]

Yeah, it was like years worth. So I was like, these women don't really like each other.

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

Can you do dorit?

[Miguel Luciano]

Oh, my God. I used to do. But I do a version of Dorit because, you know, dorit has, like, you know, several different iterations.

[Tamara Judge]

British accent.

[Miguel Luciano]

So I do the. I did the part of her where she's absolutely gobsmacked at whatever's happening to you.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

What about Jaggy?

[Miguel Luciano]

Who?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Jaggy who? That's what she says about her son.

[Miguel Luciano]

Oh, Jack, Jackie. He's such a cutie. And baby. Absolutely. And this is the only version of dorit that I do. But I need to work on the version of her where she's ripping you a new one. But the. And the hand and the. Absolutely. Kyle.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Kyle, I have to tell you.

[Miguel Luciano]

Huh?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I have to tell you.

[Miguel Luciano]

I have to tell you. I mean. But so there's the thing of her here, and then there's a time, the part of her that's like the back roads of Connecticut where she's like, yeah, stupid. And I'm like. I'm like, who are you? She was raised in the outhouse of Connecticut. You know, I'm like, what the hell? And by the way, I thought last season was her strongest season. I thought she was really great last season.

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[Tamara Judge]

She actually took Rena's spot at that point.

[Miguel Luciano]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I felt like. But do you think she's gonna come in this season too hot then? Cause sometimes they want to keep up.

[Miguel Luciano]

That fame and that glory. Well, her and Kyle sort of buried a hatchet. I don't know if it was. They buried the hatchet, which is, we don't fucking like each other, but they buried the. We can just let this little issue go right now. I think she might. I think she might try to keep the peace, but she lands herself in hot water all the time because she is naturally opinionated. Like, she really is a good house, by the way, because she has. She has opinions. She's no shrinking violet.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, she has opinions. And she also doesn't have a huge amount of self reflection.

[Miguel Luciano]

Yeah. I think she has a very low input. Very low threshold for input.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Miguel Luciano]

So she's really not very interested in what you have to say about her and usually makes a good housewife. Unfortunately, that does run its course. Like Barlow. Barlow. For me, at this point, I enjoy her on the show, but at this season, it's. It's wearing a little thin, because I do. I don't want to watch people that can't listen or think that's not really very.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, Listen or think.

[Miguel Luciano]

Having a thought process, kind of a deal breaker for me. I don't know.

[Tamara Judge]

Having a brain might work.

[Miguel Luciano]

Yeah. Goes a long way. A little brain goes a long way. So Barlow not listening to anyone is not really working for me. So Dorit. But the thing about Dorita, that Dorit is kind of a chameleon.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She.

[Miguel Luciano]

She has those three versions of herself. So she continues to, like, regenerate. Because this season we saw a version of her that we knew existed.

[Tamara Judge]

But can we talk about how many times I quit this season?

[Miguel Luciano]

Yeah. I wanted to ask you about that. On camera or off camera? Either or. You know, I think that you probably genuinely meant it because I don't know what you would have gained by not saying.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't think I've never said it in. Well, except for when I ran in Bali and said, you'll never see my face again. No, this season, going into it, I was just emotionally stunted.

[Miguel Luciano]

Yeah, you were just done.

[Tamara Judge]

I was just. It was. It had a lot to do with a lot of things. But Teddi being sick and just newly being diagnosed and literally, like, not knowing the unknown for me is like, shuts my brain down. So I'm going to these scenes. I'm worried about this one to death. Crying every day. I'm not eating.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I mean, why? I'm thriving, obviously. Still, I mean.

[Miguel Luciano]

Well, you are doing great, right? You look like you're doing so well.

[Tamara Judge]

I sat down in the hospital and was told her diagnosis. It's a 1% chance, six to nine month survival rates.

[Miguel Luciano]

Oh, my God.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

And however, immunotherapy is doing great things, so we don't know. So I'm getting that information and I'm the type that obsesses on the bad information.

[Miguel Luciano]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Teddy's the opposite.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

She.

[Miguel Luciano]

It's very Virgo. Virgos are very morbid people by nature. Every Virgo I know, it focuses on the negative. It focuses on the despair. It's a very Virgo quality.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I.

[Tamara Judge]

In my head, I was planning her funeral. Like, I'm doing things. I'm upset. I'm on the phone with Kyle. I mean, I'm. We're in a group text with all her friends. We're taking turns at the hospital with her. And then I'm holding down the podcast. And at that time, we were super swamped. There was like five podcasts a week. Then I would, you know, it's just not like I sit in front of microphone.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No.

[Tamara Judge]

There's research. We have to watch the shows. Then I had to go film. Then I had to get home late at night. I had to watch the show, get up in the morning, do it all over again, and I question my friends on the show. Yeah, when you have a friend that's going through this, it's been like the best friend I've ever had. The way she treats me, the way she talks to me, the way I can rely on her, the way I can trust her. And then I'm forced in this situation where I really felt like I got zero grace for everything that, you know, for my emotions. Now I understand I'm not a very emotional person. I don't show my emotions. Things hurt.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

I shut down.

[Tamara Judge]

Completely shut down. Body shuts down. Don't eat, don't sleep, nothing. And so every time something come at me, it wasn't that I was running from conflict or running. I just. I couldn't mentally, I couldn't deal with it.

[Miguel Luciano]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

I just mentally couldn't. Let's not forget the season I came off of.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Miguel Luciano]

Yeah, that was a pretty rough season. I mean, to no fault of your. I mean, you didn't do yourself any favors last season. I could say gently, right? Like, you know. Yeah, I mean, gently. I could say that. And I don't mean that even. I just, you know, you didn't, you know, so you. You came off on a. You started off on a rough foot, and then on top of it, you don't have any real friends on that show. I mean, Heather is apparently, and I understand now you explaining it to me, that she's got a lot of complicated things. But next season, if they bring you on, you need to have a legitimate friend. You do. It just doesn't make any sense.

[Tamara Judge]

That's what I said.

[Miguel Luciano]

They can't pin you to be the villain. Right. You can't get the villain edit right. You can't show up and act the part and then not have any contrast or catharsis or any side. Like, it just doesn't work. It's not. It's not working. It's not working. You know what I'm saying?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And I think it doesn't work for anybody for any season, for any franchise. Everybody has their side, side person, and.

[Miguel Luciano]

We need to see. And that's why I like them showing you in therapy, because. And I forget where I said this, but obviously when you react this way and you have these large, big emotional reactions, there's pain underneath that, anger. Anger is a secondary emotion. We all know this. Underneath your anger.

[Tamara Judge]

As I first told me, when people have trauma the way they respond to conflict is not the same.

[Miguel Luciano]

Exactly. So underneath your anger with all of these women is deep sadness, deep betrayal, deep hurt, you know? So I wanted them to show more of that because at least it gives the audience an understanding to. It's not like Tamara wakes up angry. It's. There's a. There. There. There's something real that's. I mean, again, not to go back to acting, but, you know, characters want most of the time, three things. Approval, control, or security. And sometimes all three. And sometimes the control comes from approval sometimes. So maybe, you know, I don't know.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And when you're not getting any of them at that moment from people in your life.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

And not to mention, I'm getting hit with all these lies all season long, accusing of this and that, and it's like, what am I. It was like me going, what am I doing?

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

Am I a glutton for punishment?

Yeah.

[Miguel Luciano]

So then, now, where do you stand with next season? If they said, listen, Tamra, you know, you did great. We want, you know, you're, I think, a friend, a genuine human friend who likes you and cares about you and wants to have fun with you. Because when you.

[Tamara Judge]

I would love that.

[Miguel Luciano]

Yeah, you need a genuine human friend.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. You need a gender friend.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, we'll figure that out when we cross that bridge.

[Miguel Luciano]

I'm gonna call Mr. Bravo.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, thank you so much for joining us.

[Miguel Luciano]

Yes. No, fuck this. We've got so many more things to talk about.

[Tamara Judge]

Wait, can you give us a remote?

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

Because you do.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Remote.

[Miguel Luciano]

You know what? In all sincerity, you know what? I really believe that. You know what? You need a friend next season. And you know what? I'll come back. And you know what? I'll be your friend. You know what? I'll be your friend of the show. You know, I'm at Palm beach right now. You know, I'm in the Hamptons. But you know what? I'll be your friend.

[Tamara Judge]

Are you.

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[Miguel Luciano]

You know, watch your little time together, you know, it'll be really great. And we'll bring. We'll bring Teddy. You know, it'd be great. It'd be great. Teddy Mellen Coop.

[Tamara Judge]

Melancoup.

[Miguel Luciano]

We'll bring Teddy Mellen Coop. And, you know, it'll be great.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She never calls me my right name.

[Miguel Luciano]

She never calls anyone. She called Lisa Rinna. Lisa Jenner.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, we interviewed her early on with our podcast, and she couldn't get Teddy's name right for the life of her.

[Miguel Luciano]

And she makes. Yeah, Lisa Jenner. I remember that. And Lisa Rinna was like, honey, I don't care, as long as she's calling me something.

[Tamara Judge]

Who was your very first impersonation, Honey? Who was the very first housewife impersonated?

[Miguel Luciano]

Probably in real life, like, in my life, like, on my couch with my friends.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

Wow.

[Miguel Luciano]

Probably Ramona.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

She's such an easy one.

[Miguel Luciano]

Yeah. But so many people do her wrong. Like, I mean, I've seen people impersonate her, like.

[Tamara Judge]

And do you do Vicky?

[Miguel Luciano]

No, the only thing I do with Vicky is when she. When she's talking to you. And then she brings her head down and mutters. So she's like, well, yeah, you weren't a very good friend to me. You know, you weren't a very good friend to me. Let me out to the wall.

[Tamara Judge]

You're bringing it on ptsd. You're bringing it back to me.

[Miguel Luciano]

You weren't a very good friend to me.

[Tamara Judge]

Did she say anything nice about me on your podcast?

[Miguel Luciano]

Yeah, she was lovely. She said, well, the one thing that she was not. It wasn't not nice.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But you.

[Tamara Judge]

You're going to the negative.

[Miguel Luciano]

No, no.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. She's like, not nice.

[Miguel Luciano]

She said, would you say that Tamara's carrying the show? And I said, I would. I think she's carrying the show without a doubt. Like, there's no. And she says, well, I don't think one person carries the show because it's an ensemble piece.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

Yeah.

[Miguel Luciano]

And that wasn't not nice. I'm just saying she didn't necessarily jump on the bandwagon of Tamras carrying the show.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She's just being PC.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Do you want her back for season 20?

[Miguel Luciano]

Yeah, I think she needs to come back. I think you and her need to have a real legitimate no conversations before you start the show.

[Tamara Judge]

Yes.

[Miguel Luciano]

I mean, it's impossible because you guys know each other, but I wish that it was like, hey, you're getting on the show. You're getting on the show. Let's film the next day after we tell them. So that we just actually get to see you guys being like, I want.

[Tamara Judge]

Like, mine is Shannon. I want me and Vicky to have that friendship.

[Miguel Luciano]

Yeah. Doesn't want anything anymore.

[Tamara Judge]

She doesn't want us to be friends.

[Miguel Luciano]

Shannon doesn't want anything. I saw last night's episode or the last O.C. episode. I'm like, shannon doesn't want to be there. And it's a shame because I thought Shannon was great television for a really long time. I thought she was so interesting and authentic and vulnerable. She's bored out of her Mind. I mean, even when she's talking to Archie, Archie used to be the love of her life, and now she's like, archie. I'm like, girl, like, wake up. Perk up, honey. Like, look alive. The psychic issue was like, does Archie want a friend? I'm like, what's happening? Like, Shannon used to be dynamic and interesting, and Shannon just looks like she doesn't want to be there. So I think maybe pausing her so she can feel the absence of that $600,000 check or whatever it is she's making. And then she realized, oh, no, wait. I like my job. I want to show up.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I'm ready.

[Miguel Luciano]

None of her confessional looks. I think one of them was kind of iconic, but the other ones look like she's going to lunch. I'm like, she's going to lunch. She looks like she's going to lunch. I'm like, shannon, what happened? Yeah, I'm like, what. What happened to like again? I want real housewives that are glamorous and opulent and dynamic. I would prefer them rich.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Miguel Luciano]

Yeah. I would prefer them rich.

[Tamara Judge]

What are your thoughts on housewives that aren't necessarily rich, but act like they're rich and. And wear, like, fake designer clothes?

[Miguel Luciano]

I can get into it.

[Tamara Judge]

Lifestyle insurance plans.

[Miguel Luciano]

I can get into it.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I can get into it.

[Miguel Luciano]

I can get into it. I mean, you know, I won't kick him out of bed for eating a box of crackers. I can do it. Come over here with your fuchi bag. Get over here. Bring papa the fuchi bag and sit next to me. Oh, I could do it. I could do it. I'm into it. Oh, my God.

[Tamara Judge]

You're killing me right now.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But, well, you guys are so much. Where do people find you?

[Miguel Luciano]

OnlyFans. Ramonasinger 2.0.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

No.

[Miguel Luciano]

Instagram. Themegeluciano. TikTok. Migueluciana. Venmo. Miguel Luciano.

[Tamara Judge]

How about PayPal?

[Miguel Luciano]

Exactly. I'll take anything. Take Wendy's gift cards from Lisa Barlow. Well, she probably won't give me a gift card.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It's gonna be carous now.

[Miguel Luciano]

Yeah, it's gonna be. What exactly? Will ruin my curls. I have to be careful about saying anything about Barlow because I think she's. I think, like, I.

[Tamara Judge]

She'll start talking about your gal dick.

[Miguel Luciano]

Yeah, my gal dick and I. I don't need that.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

We don't need that out there.

[Miguel Luciano]

I don't ruin my only fans. I gotta keep the gal away. But here's the thing.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

When you.

[Tamara Judge]

You have gout, does that swell things up?

[Miguel Luciano]

Yeah, it Would probably feel better. I'm like, girl, don't knock until you tried it. Ronald looks pretty happy every time we see her on Instagram, so I don't.

[Tamara Judge]

Know, maybe he can get some gout in his dick.

[Miguel Luciano]

Exactly. By the way, I thought. Am I the only one that thought that insult wasn't iconic? It didn't. It didn't do the thing like I thought it would. I was like, eh, no. Ageism never lands for me. It just never has, never will. He's older, okay. And she seems kind of happy with him, and they seem like they have a good relationship, and she's living really well. Her daughter adores her. You know, she's her mom.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No.

[Miguel Luciano]

You want me to tell you something? I was watching that episode. Like, I'm always happy watching Salt Lake. I'm like, God, this is like my happy time, you know, I don't drink anymore, so I need stimulation.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm like, okay, I brought you some stimulation, by the way.

[Miguel Luciano]

Yes, you did. You always stimulate your baby. No, no.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

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[Miguel Luciano]

Oh. What is it? Oh, my God. I was hoping you would.

[Tamara Judge]

I did.

[Miguel Luciano]

Oh, thank you, Jesus. Lights out. Oh, my God. Thank you. I was literally gonna text you. Can I bother you for some? So literally, I was watching that episode happy, and then.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I know. It's unbelievable.

[Miguel Luciano]

I almost wanted to turn it. It almost felt like when you're at your friend's house and their. Your friend starts fighting with their mom and they say some out of pocket shit, and you're like, I shouldn't be here. Hey, thanks, Ms. Robinson. I'm just gonna go walk home. I'm just like, I don't think I should be here for this. Which I like that in the show.

[Tamara Judge]

You think it helped people understand Bronwyn deserves. It's kind of like when Sutton brought her mom on.

[Miguel Luciano]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I loved that. It showed the vulnerability for Bronwyn and her life. And that's why I want you to be in therapy more, and I want you and Vicki to hash it out and cry together on camera.

[Tamara Judge]

I think Vicki and I need to go to couples therapy. Friendship therapy.

[Miguel Luciano]

Yes.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, God.

[Miguel Luciano]

Like you and Kyle did. That was just the episode I was watching when it's like, you went to couples therapy.

[Tamara Judge]

You did.

[Miguel Luciano]

Yeah. And Randall's like, you went to couples therapy, honey. Own it, you guys. Own it, honey. You went to couples therapy and you said.

[Tamara Judge]

Wait, did you go to couples therapy with Kyle?

[Miguel Luciano]

You did, honey. Own it. Own it, baby.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

We did not go to couples therapy, but we loved it. Like it was just so hilarious like that. They just.

[Miguel Luciano]

Teddy, Own it, Ab. Baby, you went to couples therapy with Kyle. Just say own it, baby. Own it. I almost brought my Harry Hamlin glasses to go. Well, they did go to couples therapy together.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

They did go to therapy. They did once go to therapy together. So if you want to call that couple's therapy, you can call.

[Miguel Luciano]

Exactly. That was the funniest little subplot.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

How do you for how do you forget this part?

[Tamara Judge]

Dude, I'm 58 years old. I don't know what I had for breakfast. Let's be honest.

[Miguel Luciano]

You had a vena multivitamin to get your day started.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, I had gruins and my code is Tamara22grun gruns.

[Miguel Luciano]

All of it.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Thanks guys for tuning in to another episode of the Twat Seat. We appreciate you guys and we will talk to you soon.

[Miguel Luciano]

Woohoo.

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

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[Miguel Luciano]

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

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