The Twot Seat: ROBYN DIXON (RHOP & The Traitors)

Summary

Podcast Summary: Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge Episode: The Twot Seat: ROBYN DIXON (RHOP & The Traitors)
Release Date: February 6, 2025
Host/Authors: Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge
Duration Analyzed: [02:32] - [37:01]

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Introduction and Guest Welcome

The episode kicks off with Tamra Judge and Teddi Mellencamp warmly welcoming their guest, Robin Dixon, a former cast member of "The Real Housewives Potomac" (RHOP) and a participant in "The Traitors." Robin's tenure included six seasons on RHOP, and her performance on The Traitors has ignited considerable discussion among fans.

Notable Quote:

• Teddi Mellencamp [02:40]: "We want her back. She was on Traitors. We loved her on Traitors. Even though she got everything wrong and then she got murdered."

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Life Updates and Business Ventures

Tamra shares exciting personal news about her new business venture, Glow 30, a skincare studio franchise offering services like facials, Botox, and laser treatments. Despite her busy schedule, she emphasizes the importance of family, mentioning her children and maintaining personal well-being.

Notable Quotes:

• Tamra Judge [04:34]: "I opened a new business in October, so being a business owner of a brick and mortar with a full staff is a lot."
• Tamra Judge [05:23]: "I had no interest in watching any housewives at all. I mean, I'll see stuff that's on social media and try to keep up a little bit, but it was such a welcome break for me."

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Reflections on Absence from RHOP

The hosts express their longing for Robin's return to RHOP, highlighting her role as the "voice of reason" on the show. They discuss the current dynamics of the show, noting a shift in some cast members' personalities and the absence of Robin's stabilizing presence.

Notable Quotes:

• Tamra Judge [05:23]: "I was a client of this business for over 12 years, and now that I'm the business owner, I don't even get to enjoy the services as much."
• Teddi Mellencamp [06:52]: "We keep hoping you're going to come back next season. Can you give us a 50-50 over/under?"

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Discussion on DUIs and Karen Huger

A significant portion of the episode delves into recent DUI allegations surrounding Karen Huger from RHOP. Tamra and Giselle Bryant candidly discuss their disappointment and frustration with Karen's handling of the situation, emphasizing the importance of accountability and the long-term impact on family, especially children.

Notable Quotes:

• Tamra Judge [16:26]: "If someone asked me, I'm not going to sugarcoat stuff. It's very unfortunate."
• Tamra Judge [10:58]: "Family is everything. It doesn't matter what the state of your relationship is at that moment. You should have that person's back for the rest of your life."

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Insights into "The Traitors" Season Dynamics

Robin shares her experiences from "The Traitors," revealing behind-the-scenes insights into game strategies, alliances, and the psychological toll of the competition. She discusses the challenges of distinguishing traitors from loyal players and recounts specific moments that tested her resilience.

Notable Quotes:

• Tamra Judge [19:59]: "Everyone is like, oh, somebody's breathing. They must be a traitor. There's not a lot to go off of."
• Robin Dixon [32:21]: "I was okay with going home if that was the end. But looking back, I wish I had stayed longer to make more of an impact."

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Cast Member Behavior and Game Strategies

The conversation shifts to specific cast members on "The Traitors," including Bob the Drag Queen and Boston Rob. Tamra criticizes Boston Rob's decisions and his approach to leadership within the game, while also commenting on Danielle's behavior and interactions with other players.

Notable Quotes:

• Tamra Judge [22:14]: "She wouldn't even call it a DUI. She called it an accident."
• Teddi Mellencamp [29:13]: "I'm really upset watching how they didn't vote Boston Rob out. He did a damn good job of fighting for himself."

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Personal Anecdotes and Game Realities

Tamra and Giselle share personal anecdotes about interactions with other players, highlighting the unpredictable nature of reality TV competitions. They discuss the emotional and psychological challenges faced during the game, including trust issues and the pressure of constant observation.

Notable Quotes:

• Tamra Judge [21:15]: "There's a lot of downtime, a lot of traveling. We get a lot of time to interact and learn about one another on a personal level."
• Teddi Mellencamp [38:07]: "The creepy music they play before the hanging tree. I had that song stuck in my head for one after."

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Final Thoughts and Farewell to Robin Dixon

As the episode wraps up, the hosts express their gratitude to Robin for her participation and insights. They reiterate their hopes for her return to RHOP and commend her for her strengths both on and off the show.

Notable Quotes:

• Tamra Judge [38:36]: "We miss you, Robin. Thank you so much for coming on. We really hope to be recapping you on Potomac next year."
• Giselle Bryant [38:53]: "Thank you so much. We do miss you, and we hope to see you next season."

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Conclusion

This episode of Two Ts In A Pod offers an in-depth exploration of Robin Dixon's journey on reality TV, touching upon personal growth, business ventures, and the intricate dynamics of competitive reality shows. The candid discussions provide listeners with a behind-the-scenes look at the challenges and triumphs experienced by reality TV cast members.

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Notable Timestamped Quotes Recap:

• [02:40] Teddi: "We want her back. She was on Traitors."
• [04:34] Tamra: "I opened a new business in October."
• [05:23] Tamra: "I had no interest in watching any housewives at all."
• [16:26] Tamra: "If someone asked me, I'm not going to sugarcoat stuff."
• [19:59] Tamra: "Everyone is like, oh, somebody's breathing. They must be a traitor."
• [22:14] Tamra: "She wouldn't even call it a DUI."
• [29:13] Teddi: "I'm really upset watching how they didn't vote Boston Rob out."
• [38:36] Tamra: "We miss you, Robin."

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[Tamara Judge]

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[Giselle Bryant]

Hi, guys.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Welcome to another episode of the Twat Seat with me and Tamara Judge. Today we have on Robin Dixon. She's a former cast member on the Real Housewives Potomac. She was on for six seasons, and.

[Giselle Bryant]

We want her back.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

We want her back. She was on Traitors. We loved her on Traitors. Even though she got everything wrong and then she got murdered.

[Giselle Bryant]

It's hard to get everything right so early on in the the season on that show.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I mean, it's hard to get things right. Regardless.

[Giselle Bryant]

Yeah, somebody has a general and somebody has a twitch in their eyes, like, oh, traitor, traitor.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

But excited to see Robin. She also has a podcast with Giselle.

[Giselle Bryant]

We need to do a podcast swap.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I know, but I think you pissed them off back in the day, remember? Yeah. Back when we were at Bravo Con, we tried, but, like, I think you didn't know Giselle's name or something like that. And then so they got.

[Giselle Bryant]

No, I actually did. She's like, you don't even know my name. I'm like, yeah, I do. Well, I didn't watch the show back then.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I know. But now we love them.

[Giselle Bryant]

So this was like the first Bravo Con. This is a long time ago.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, yeah. This wasn't our last BravoCon. This was. I mean, this was back when the twats were just starting.

[Giselle Bryant]

That was in New York.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. This was before we lived and breathed every single.

[Giselle Bryant]

Now we're invested. We live in everybody's home.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

But. Yeah, let's bring her on. Hi.

[Giselle Bryant]

There's our girl. Hi, Robin. How are you?

[Tamara Judge]

I'm great. It's good to see you both.

[Giselle Bryant]

I know. We're so excited to have you on.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Finally, right?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I know. We were just trying to talk about back in the day when we tried to do a podcast swap with you guys, and then it never happened, and now we still need to do it.

[Giselle Bryant]

Give us a update on life. What's going on?

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, life is great. I'm super busy. I opened a new business in October, so being a. A business owner of, like, a brick and mortar with a full staff, and.

[Giselle Bryant]

It'S a lot of work.

[Tamara Judge]

A lot. Oh, my God.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

What's the business called?

[Tamara Judge]

It's called Glow 30. So it's a franchise location of a skincare studio. We are. We're membership based, so we have members who come every month to get facials and Botox and laser and other treatments and stuff.

[Giselle Bryant]

Oh, my God, that's so nice to have that in your own.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I know. Is that why your skin looks so good and I'm bright red and blotchy?

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, this is makeup, of course, but, you know, it's crazy. It's like. So I. So I was. I was a client of this business for, like, over 12 years, and when they were announced. When they announced they were franchising, I was like, oh, yes, I want to put one closer to my house. But now that I'm, like, the business owner, I don't even get to enjoy the services as much. Just so busy, you know, it's like.

[Giselle Bryant]

The mechanic that his car is broken down.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Or like, the trainer that doesn't work out, like, all that type of stuff. So. But. So I gotta, like, take time for myself. But, you know, in addition to the business, the family's great. My boys are growing up really nicely, and Moana's doing well. So well.

[Giselle Bryant]

We miss you so much on Potomac. Like, we say it almost every single time we recap it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

We're like, we miss Robin. We need Robin, but we need her back. She's like, the voice of reason. And, like, Giselle's coming back into, like, the old Giselle. But, like, you could feel the sadness in Giselle. The beginning of Potomac this season. We're like, she's not even being her, like, quippy self because she doesn't know.

[Giselle Bryant]

Robin, have you been watching? Because I know for me, personally, when I was let go the first season, I was out. I couldn't even watch. I was just so, like, I was. It made me sad.

[Tamara Judge]

Really? Yeah. No, So I haven't been watching not because I'm sad, but because it actually was like, a great. Just, like, detox for me. Like, I just feel that, too. Yeah. It was just so good just to, like, step away from it all. I haven't watched any housewives at all. I mean, I'll see, like, stuff that's on social media and trying to keep up a little bit, but it was so just. It was a welcome break for me for sure. So good that was said. It was just. I just had no interest.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

You said the word break. We keep hoping you're going to come back next season. Can you give us a 5050 over under?

[Tamara Judge]

I can't give you anything. I mean, you know, I'm not the decision makers here, so I can't get.

[Giselle Bryant]

After you've been gone for a year, would, if they asked you back, do you think he would go?

[Tamara Judge]

I'm not like, I, I'm not sure because, like, I really love my piece.

[Giselle Bryant]

Yeah, there's something to be said. Living a life with little drama.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Giselle Bryant]

Nobody coming after your husband, your kids, your business, things like that.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Yeah, I really, really love it. So it's definitely something I would have to really, like, think about. It's not like a. Oh, my God, please, I hope they're like, going to call me or, you know, I, I, Yeah, when they let me go, it was, it was okay. You know, that's the end of this story. You know, for me, it wasn't like, oh, okay, let me go, and I hope that I can come back. Like, that was thought process and, and maybe that's just how I operate. Like when something's over or when I'm like, I'm. I move on, you know, it's like, what's next?

[Giselle Bryant]

And so that's what successful people do.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Giselle Bryant]

They don't look at the past, they look at the future. So you still have your podcast. How long have you guys been. A few years now, right?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, this is. We just went into our fifth season.

[Giselle Bryant]

Five years.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Huge.

[Tamara Judge]

Wow, huh?

[Giselle Bryant]

You're still enjoying that?

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, yeah, we still enjoy it. We love it. I mean, it's, it's. We, we, we really appreciated it while we were, while we were both filming Potomac because it gave us an outlet to just kind of like really be ourselves, really control what we talked about, you know, talk about whatever, you know, just chit chat about everything. And so it was just like, it was a breath of fresh air for us. And now, now that I'm not on the show and Giselle's still on the show, it's just great because it keeps.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Us connected, your friendship alive and connected and having things to talk about. Do you think if you were to go back on the show, you would change your stance on, like, certain things that you were open to sharing or like even the things with Juan or. I mean, because right now I know you're not watching this season, but I mean, Mia has over shared in so many ways that, like, I know you.

[Giselle Bryant]

Haven'T watched, but I'm sure you know what's going on, what your overall take on that.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, and I see like some of her activity on social media, which I don't appreciate. You know, it's like for me, like, family is everything and it doesn't matter, like, what the state of your relationship is at that moment. Like, you should have that person's back for the rest of your life, whether you're married to Them or not, like, they're still the father of your children. And so when I see her talking about, I don't know, she went on social media and said, called him a predator, and start this whole long post, like, tearing Gordon apart. And then you fast forward weeks later, and she's like, oh, I broke up with Ink, and now Gordon and I are. Are working on our family. I'm like, I don't. I don't understand it, but I just always felt like, you know, this show is for entertainment, but our life is forever. Like, you have these children in your life forever. Those children may, you know, harbor some sort of resentment about how she treated her father or how. Or the stuff that she shared on the show. So it is definitely a fine line.

[Giselle Bryant]

Between, well, when you're sharing paternity test on the show about one of your kids, to me, that just seems very damaging.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, exactly. Like, you got to think long term. Like, you know, yeah, maybe the kids are little and they might not watch today. I don't know. But, you know, you got to think long term about how this is going to affect these children. I think a lot of adults don't think about how our actions affect our children and their lives and how our children go into the world and grow as adults. And so for me, like, family trumps everything. So. And I, you know, I think.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And I think you've shown that, and I think that, you know, regardless of, you know, the good and the bad and the ugly that we all have had in marriages in life, I think you made a really good point. Especially like, we were, you know, we're getting into talking about Beverly Hills, and there's a lot of the women there who are, you know, in separation divorces, and. And some of them have chosen to speak kindly of the person that they're breaking up with, and others have not. And our immediate thought is, like, oh, my gosh, the kids.

[Tamara Judge]

Right?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Like, there's kids involved. But I have a question. Have you met Ink?

[Tamara Judge]

No, I haven't.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I wanted to know how many inches taller you were because, I mean, you're significantly taller than me and Tam.

[Giselle Bryant]

Are you saying, like, Ink's our size?

[Tamara Judge]

I could. I could probably guesstimate just based on pictures, and Giselle has met him, and so she's, you know, of course, we're. We're pretty close in height, so, yeah, I probably got a good three inches on him, I would think.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

How tall is Juan?

[Tamara Judge]

Juan's six, two.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Okay, so. All right, so you've got a good. I mean, because there's some, you know, there's, there's the 511 guys that just kind of pretend that they're really 5 9, but they say they're 511 or 6 foot.

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[Teddy Mellencamp]

All right, we'll get into traders, don't worry. But we have to, of course, talk a little bit about DUIs first.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, Jesus.

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Yeah.

[Giselle Bryant]

You've been pretty vocal about your thoughts on Karen.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, I mean, it's not that I'm vocal. It's like if someone asked me, I'm not going to sugarcoat stuff. So yeah, it's. It's very unfortunate. I was, you know, like I said, I didn't watch the season, but I heard that she denied everything and that she was going to, you know, be vindicated and she was really defensive and it's just kind of. It's not surprising that she took that stance. Just. No, just me knowing that the person. But considering what we saw, it was kind of like, I don't know that one. You might. She should have just taken on the chin and said, you know what, ladies? Yeah, I had a few drinks and I was, you know, I made a mistake and learn from me. Don't ever do it. Thank God I didn't hurt someone. Thank God I didn't.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

But if she made it all about her, thank God I didn't hurt myself.

[Giselle Bryant]

I'm like, she wouldn't even call it a dui. She called it an accident.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, it's. I. It shows a lot about who she really is and who she has been for a long time. It's just kind of now almost coming to the surface, but it's really sad. I'm just.

[Giselle Bryant]

I. I think on your podcast, maybe you had said that this was her fourth.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, that's what, according to some people familiar with the case, said that it's her fourth. It's. It's her fourth. I don't know. I don't know if it's her fourth. Fourth time being charged, but it's at least her fourth time being caught driving under this.

[Giselle Bryant]

I would think that one is a wake up call.

[Tamara Judge]

Yes.

[Giselle Bryant]

Two is automatic rehab, but four, yeah, that's clear denial.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. But I also want to know, do we believe that there was another person in the car? By we, I mean you, because you have an inside scoop and we don't.

[Giselle Bryant]

Well, people have said that.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. So I heard. And I saw the trailer for the reunion where Ashley said that that's kind of like a rumor. I will say this. It's not that she's covering for this person. You know, Like, I think the. The assumption is like, oh, someone else is driving and she's covering for them. That's not what it is.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

No, I don't think so. I. I think she's trying to cover up from her husband, potentially a friend.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, a friend in the car. Now, I. I'm. See, see, look, y'all, I don't get paid to talk about Karen Huger anymore.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Like, I know, I know, I know. But we do.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. If. If that's the rumor, it's believable to me.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Giselle Bryant]

Well, you made a huge impression on Traders this season. And I was like, go, Robin. Yes, Robin. Like, you were outspoken. Your. Your picker was off a little bit. But I was saying earlier, it's hard early on in the season to try to pinpoint especially people you don't know. I mean, I would say you get it. Somebody has a twitch and they're like, they must be a trader. Like, you're right. Somebody's breathing. They must be A traitor. There's not a lot to go off of. But you were so good at it.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Thank you. So, you know, it's so funny when people are like, oh, my God, you were so bad. You picked the wrong people. I'm like, everybody is bad at that point in the game. Like, it's not just me.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

It's at least you were playing.

[Tamara Judge]

Yes. Like, I didn't want to go there, especially once I knew my fate was not in my hands and, you know, not do my job, which is to, like, show up and make TV and talk and, you know, kind of come up with theories and play the game. And I didn't want to be one of those people just sitting, you know, kind of in the corner, just, like, watching everything happen because, like, it would suck if I gotten murdered and you never heard me say two words. And so. Right.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I was just like, Sam. The only words we've heard him. Next week on Traders.

[Giselle Bryant]

I know, I know.

[Tamara Judge]

Sam. He was. I don't know, I. I guess it's just his personality. I don't even know if it was his strategy, but he would go from room to room to room and just stand there and listen to what was being said and then walk out. And then he'd go to the next room and just stand there and listen and walk out.

[Giselle Bryant]

Well, he's good. Eye candy for tv, that's for sure.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Yeah, he's a really. He was a good guy. And, you know, I don't know, I've seen people, like, don't like him because of whatever his past with Brittany. I don't know what happened between him and Britney. I can just say, like, he's a really nice, cool guy. I did enjoy into to who you bond with.

[Giselle Bryant]

Said that as well. That he was really nice.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Yes. Yes.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Who'd you bond with the most?

[Tamara Judge]

Like, initially, I. I mean, definitely ion we spent, you know, when we kind of are in the jeeps together, making our way to the castle on the first day and between the missions and stuff. And so, like, you really just bond with the people that you're in those jeeps with. But.

[Giselle Bryant]

Yeah, there's a lot of downtime, right?

[Tamara Judge]

It's. Yeah, it's a lot of downtime. A lot of traveling, like, in the. The. It looks like we're just driving around the corner to a mission, but we're really, like, in the Jeep, like, 45 minutes, so. So we get a lot of time just to, like, interact with one another and. And learn about one another and not really talk like Gameplay. It's more just like, oh, yeah, I've got two daughter, you know, I don't know. Jeremy has two daughters that play sports. I'm like, oh, my boys play basketball, you know, so you're just bonding on, like, a personal level.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

The stuff they're not going to use on the show, but that connects you with someone. Is there anyone that rubbed you the wrong way? Like, we were like, ugh, not this person. I don't want to be in the Jeep with them.

[Tamara Judge]

You know, I would say, like, Danielle, there was a moment, I can't remember what it was, but, like, I snapped at her one time because she was just being so annoying. Like, she's just like, like, like had to know what was being said.

[Giselle Bryant]

Yeah, she's a trap.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. And I think I was like, will you chill? Like, cut it, like, please. Like, yeah, yeah. So she was probably the one that stood out for me as far as.

[Giselle Bryant]

Like, oh, what are your thoughts on the Traders? How they. They're not sticking together. We've never seen anything like this on Traders. Like, it's crazy.

[Tamara Judge]

It's so, so crazy. Well, Boston Rob messed that up when he went for Bob the Drag Queen. Like, he.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

He felt threatened.

[Tamara Judge]

No, he. No, no.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I don't think he felt threatened by what Bob the Drag Queen did in that moment. I think he thought, bob the Drag Queen can win this thing and I need to take him out now.

[Tamara Judge]

I think he. Right. So I don't think it was like, Boston Rob keeps going, oh, he said one of my. He said my name. No, I think in the turret, Bob the Drag Queen was took over. Like, he wouldn't. Like, that's just his personality. He doesn't let you talk like it's his way or the highway. Like, it's like, this is what we're going to do. And he took over the turret, and Boston Rob couldn't take it, like, as much as Boston Rob is kind of like the alpha guy. Like, Bob the Drag Queen was more of that. Like, he was more like, I have something to say. You're going to listen to what I say. I'm right, and we're going to do what I want us to do. And that's why he had to.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, since it's been gone, it's now turned into a total shit show because we've got Danielle fake crying all the time. Carolyn's one eyelash is left to, like, its own devices trying to figure it out. And Boston Rob is not making any friends.

[Tamara Judge]

So, wait, can we talk about Carolyn's eyelashes.

[Giselle Bryant]

Yes.

[Tamara Judge]

She told me that was from like the first few days I'm seeing her eyelashes. I'm like, oh my God, your eyelashes are so long. She said they weren't extensions, that they were like Lashify or whatever. Yeah, one of those.

[Giselle Bryant]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Latisse, you put on your, on your lashes. And then the most recent episode, I'm like, wait a minute, listen, I can't even talk about lashes because half of.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Mine are gone, but I don't even have any on. I couldn't even be bothered to put on concealer.

[Giselle Bryant]

So like I.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

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[Tamara Judge]

Right? Right.

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[Giselle Bryant]

Why do you think the traders were gunning so hard for the housewives? Housewives are such a threat.

[Tamara Judge]

I know, I know. Based on last year they were just, you know, I think they, they used us as scapegoats to kind of like try to pin stuff on us based on last year. Like because they knew everyone coming in is is remembering what happened last year and they remembered that Phaedra was a traitor and that charade stayed around for a while. What episode did you stay until I.

[Giselle Bryant]

Think the morning of five. I was gone.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh that was me. Okay. Yeah. And then when was Lar Larsa was gone before you, right?

[Giselle Bryant]

She left the day before me.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay. Okay. I don't know. It was like and we're part of our argument to them when they're trying to accuse us of being traders. I'm like and you know they're saying like oh there's so many of you all, like, you. Someone. One of you all has to be a trader. I'm like, yeah, there's so many survivor people. There's so many gamers. There's. You know, if we put the. All of the gamers together, like, you all far outnumber us. Like, why are you worried about.

[Giselle Bryant]

Do you think that the gamers have an advantage to this game? Because right now, the way the traders are. It doesn't seem like it.

[Tamara Judge]

I know. Well, you would think if they. If the traders played the right way or played a better game, then, yeah, they would have an advantage, but I. I don't. I'm so. I'm hoping that people, you know, just kind of figure it out and start. And start knocking them off. I. I was so shocked. I was so angry watching the last episode and how they didn't vote Boston Rob out. I'm just like. I mean, he did a damn good job of fighting for himself.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

He can talk about himself any favors. Wes? I was like, why do you have to make everyone hate you so much right now?

[Tamara Judge]

You sound like someone that you would think is capable of being a traitor. Like, stop. So I was so upset because. And I never. And I still didn't hear anyone make the argument of Bob the Drag Queen's reaction to Boston Rob was so intense. Like, it was so visceral. Like, he was angry when Boston Rob brought him up. It wasn't that he, you know. So, like, when you think about how, like, Dylan accused Bob the Drag Queen of being Dylan, I know he's the sweetest Dylan, you know, called Bob the Drag Queen out of being a traitor from day one, pretty much. And the banter was more, like, playful, and it was like, oh, whatever. But when Boston Rob turned on Drag Queen, like, it was just like, he was so angry. And so the fact that that didn't stick out to them was, like, so frustrating to me watching it because, like, I'm like, oh, I wish I was there. I would, like, really get him.

[Giselle Bryant]

Do you. I think that Boston Rob's days are numbered. I would not be surprised if he's gone next.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, I agree. I agree. I think I agree.

[Giselle Bryant]

Who, but you never know.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

But Danielle drives me so nuts.

[Giselle Bryant]

I think she drives everybody nuts.

[Tamara Judge]

You know who love Danielle. I remember.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Like, really?

[Tamara Judge]

Yes. And so the night after Bob the Drag Queen got banished, after the roundtable, Danielle's, like, walking around, like, trying to find out what everybody's saying, and Wes says, I think Boston Rob is a traitor. And I'm like, I totally agree with you. And blah, blah, blah. And then Danielle comes up to me. What does he say? What happened? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, oh, my gosh. And I'm like, dylan, can I trust her? And he's like, yes, you can trust her. Like, yes. You know, both Dylan and Dolores was like, you can trust her. And so I'm like, okay. So I tell her, oh, I think Boston Robbed is a traitor. And then the next morning, I'm murdered. So I feel like there's something.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

You couldn't trust her.

[Giselle Bryant]

Couldn't trust her.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm like, I feel like we didn't see that happen in the turret. That conversation where she mentioned, like, she had to have told Boston Rob that I think he's a traitor, and that's why they murdered me, because it was so unceremonial. I was like, okay. That was it. You're just like, okay.

[Giselle Bryant]

When you were murdered, were you. Was there some kind of relief? Like, I get to go home now? Because for me, being out of my daily routine for so long and not having my phone and being in a hotel room, it really, like, weighed on my mental health. Did you did that both you. At all?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. I mean, there was a part of me that I was just like, yeah, I'm ready to go home. Like, you know, if I go home, I'm fine. I'm totally, you know, okay with it. I enjoy my experience. I was. I lasted past the first episode, you know?

[Giselle Bryant]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

You know, I was like, okay. But now looking back on it, I'm like, oh, I wish I was like. I wish I could have stayed longer and made a little bit more of an impact. So question.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Would you. If you could come back again and do another season, would you want to be a traitor or a faithful?

[Tamara Judge]

I would. I would do it again, as hard as it was. You know, it's funny, Tamara, you talk about, like, not having your phone. I actually, like, by the end of it, like, enjoyed not having my phone. You know, it was like, oh, like, okay, I don't even want it. I wasn't even like, once I finally got it back, you know, I talked to whoever I needed to talk to, and then it was like, that was it.

[Giselle Bryant]

I think my experience was different because I was insanely sick. I was in that hotel room for four days with a doctor and all that, and I was so sick that I just. You know, when you're sick and you can't talk to anybody, you just want to go home.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay.

[Giselle Bryant]

That's how I was. And as soon as I started to feel better.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Giselle Bryant]

I got murdered. Damn it.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, that sucks. Yeah. Being okay. So being sick and out of the game, like you're stuck in the room forever, like, you know, that's. That's different.

[Giselle Bryant]

Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Did you think that Nikki was. I can't remember. Did you vote Nikki?

[Tamara Judge]

So I didn't vote for her. I wasn't. I was murdered before.

[Giselle Bryant]

Yeah, she was.

[Tamara Judge]

But I did suspect her as a traitor and a lot, so.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Because I'm not getting why people are suspecting why people were suspecting her as a traitor.

[Tamara Judge]

I'll explain. And it's, like, really stupid looking back. So when. Prior to them putting the three people in the caskets, there was discussion around the castle amongst a number of us thinking that Jeremy and Nikki were traitors. There was. You know, Jeremy and Nikki became close, and so they. We would, like.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Which we didn't really see that.

[Tamara Judge]

You didn't see it. Right. But we saw it. So they would be, like, just off, you know, talking to each other, like, randomly. And so people started assuming that they were traders. And so there was discussion in the castle about that. So when Jeremy and Nikki and Sierra were put in the coffins and they. And Alan says, oh, it could. There can be traitors or faithfuls in the coffins. Everyone is thinking, there's got to be a traitor in.

[Giselle Bryant]

Well, those are the things you grab onto because you don't know. So you're like, okay, well, it's got to be one of the three.

[Tamara Judge]

Right. But in hindsight, that's the stupidest thing ever. Why they volunteer to put themselves in a casket and have all of the attention on them, you know, But. But we all. Everyone was like, oh, my God, maybe there's a trait in the casket. Like, we really thought, like, the traitors were, like, playing games with us in the casket. So it was kind of like after I was out of the game, and I was like, wait a minute. That's the stupidest thought process ever. A traitor put themselves in the casket, like, never.

[Giselle Bryant]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

So when Jeremy was murdered and Nikki came back, we're all like, oh, well, Nikki's traitor. Because Jeremy was a traitor. So now you know. So that's kind of how that happened.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

In real life, in the flesh. How much pit sweat did Tom Sandoval have?

[Giselle Bryant]

Oh, my God.

[Tamara Judge]

You know, I feel like I didn't notice that until on the show. I don't maybe. Let me think. Did I? I don't know. I can't.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

You didn't notice it?

[Tamara Judge]

I don't think I'VE noticed it in the moment. I don't, you know, I noticed it on the episode, I watched it, but I don't think I noticed it in the moment.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I'm actually worried, you know what, have.

[Tamara Judge]

Like these big chunky sweaters on, like, you know, I don't know. I guess. But still. Yeah, yeah.

[Giselle Bryant]

His clothes are a little over the top.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

The planning of the outfits would really stress me out. Like, Chris Sheldon dresses so beautifully every time. I'm like, I would miss every single time.

[Giselle Bryant]

Oh, yeah, well, they make you take pictures of like 12 different outfits and send it to them. So, like, you have to prepare beforehand. But it was definitely, I mean, I didn't even. I showed up and like, oh, I'm just really gonna go for this. And I bought like shit off at Amazon. And then I go in and then there's Larson Chanel. I'm like, oh, I missed the boat on that one. I'm all plaid braids, all this stuff. And she's like, you know, Ms. Chanel.

[Tamara Judge]

Right.

[Giselle Bryant]

Was the show more challenging than you anticipated it?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. So like, I watched it as a viewer. I loved it. I was totally in it. I'm like on the couch like, oh my God, they're so stupid. Like, how do they not see this? You know, how can they not figure it out? And so, yes, it's. It is much more challenging being in the castle in the game because unlike the viewers, like, yeah, we know the viewers know who those three or four or two traitors are. So we can pick up on what those two people are doing or three people are doing to be suspicious. But when you're in the castle, you're looking at 20 other people and like you said, like, you know, oh, you might look at someone's eye twitch and think that they're a traitor. So for me, one time, after Alan picked his traders and we're all like dispersing amongst the castle, Sierra walks into the kitchen and like makes herself a bowl of grapes and then starts walking around. She's just eating this bowl of grapes. And. And for me, I was like, oh, Sierra's a traitor. Because she's, she's Cuz she's hungry. Yeah, she's distracting herself.

[Giselle Bryant]

Like, this is your mind plays crazy game, you know, crazy. And then that creepy music they play right before, they don't show it on the show. The hanging tree that they play that music. I had that song stuck in my head for one after.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

What does it sound like?

[Tamara Judge]

What is it on? Did they play it on Hunger Games?

[Giselle Bryant]

Yes. They did. I think it's called the Hanging Tree. It's. I mean, I would play. I would go home and play it.

[Tamara Judge]

I know.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh my gosh. Well, we miss you, Robyn. Thank you so much for coming on. And we really hope that we'll be recapping you on Potomac next year. I know it's not something you 100% want right now, but we want it and we need it.

[Giselle Bryant]

Well, thank you so much. We do miss you. And like Teddy said, we hope you're. We see you next season.

[Bobby]

Yes.

[Tamara Judge]

Thank you, ladies. It's been so fun. I appreciate your support and your love, of course.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Talk to you soon.

[Tamara Judge]

Bye.

[Giselle Bryant]

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[Teddy Mellencamp]

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