The Twot Seat: SALLEY CARSON (Southern Charm)

Summary

Two Ts In A Pod – The Twot Seat: SALLEY CARSON (Southern Charm)

Date: December 29, 2025
Hosts: Teddi Mellencamp & Tamra Judge
Guest: Salley Carson (Southern Charm)

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Episode Overview

In this episode of “The Twot Seat,” Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge welcome Salley Carson from Southern Charm. The conversation dives deep into Salley’s reality TV journey, her career in spinal robotics, navigating drama on and off camera—especially regarding Craig and Vanita—and how she maintains her career amidst the pressures and opportunities of Bravo fame. The tone is candid, supportive, and marked by signature Housewives sass.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Salley Carson’s Background and Unusual Career

• Salley’s Move to Charleston: Raised in South Carolina, she relocated to Charleston for a job in spinal robotics (04:11–04:26).
• Medical Robotics Role:
  • Training & Day-to-Day: Salley trained for years and now operates a robot during spinal surgeries, assisting surgeons by directing the robot’s trajectory (24:16–24:47).
  • Clarifying Her Role: “Everyone thinks I’m claiming to be a doctor. I’m not a doctor.” (24:16, Salley)
  • She primarily works at the Children’s Hospital and coordinates between medical professionals (25:17–25:55).
  • Work–Filming Balance: Her medical job takes precedence; Bravo production respects this, even if she has to leave in the middle of filming (23:53–24:14).

2. Navigating Social Media & Public Perception

• Struggles With Online Criticism: Salley acknowledges online negativity but tries to avoid looking at it:
  • “It’s been a little brutal out there for me recently, but…trying to stay off of it, ignore it.” (05:09–05:19, Salley)
  • Teddi and Tamra reassure her: “I don’t know why anybody would have a problem with you.” (05:26, Teddi)
  • Dolores’ advice: “Just be yourself. You can never go wrong with being yourself.” (05:59, Dolores)
  • On the internet effect: Only about 3% of viewers are responsible for nasty comments. “Don’t let those 3 percenters upset you.” (35:18–35:28, Teddi)

3. The Craig/Vanita Love Triangle & ‘Girl’s Girl’ Drama

• Salley’s Take: Frustrated that edits make her appear single-mindedly interested in Craig.
  • “They’re showing me flirt with Craig, but they’re not showing me flirt with, like, Corey, and everyone else... I’m single. Good.” (07:32–07:54, Salley)
• Relationship with Vanita:
  • Salley and Vanita have a close friendship, but show edits make it seem tense.
    • “Vanita comes to me with all of her secrets, and we’re so close… last year she was with JT and I hated him… and she still wanted to be with him. So I was like, you know what?” (08:05–08:52, Salley)
    • Important moment: “He [JT] tried to blackmail me in front of everyone… production kind of shut it down.” (09:11–09:21, Salley)
  • Dolores notes this puts the Craig drama in a different light (09:55–10:31).
  • Teddi: “You have a strong argument for the reunion.” (10:36–10:41, Teddi)
• Craig and Vanita:
  • The animosity between Vanita and Craig isn’t as serious as the show portrays. “Craig said he didn’t want to be associated with her anymore… That’s mild in Bravo world.” (16:24–16:32, Salley/Teddi)
  • Salley hints her feelings about Craig will “change very drastically” as the season progresses (37:46–37:54, Salley).

4. Friendships — New and Old, On Screen and Off

• About her friend Charlie:
  • Salley feels a bit “stabbed in the back” by Charlie after introducing her to the friend group (38:07–38:42, Salley).
  • Dolores offers perspective: “There’s some people that you trust a hundred thousand percent, and some people you trust in different ways.” (39:20–39:29, Dolores)
  • The hosts reinforce the importance of resilience and not over-investing in new friends.

5. Personal Life, Dating & Lessons Learned

• Single Life & Dating Tales:
  • “All the guys I choose… no job, no car.” (21:03, Salley, self-mocking the choices)
  • Reveals she was engaged to a neurosurgeon who cheated (21:39–22:31, Salley), found out via Instagram DMs.
  • Hosts react with humor and support; Dolores: “They could be so smart and they’re so dumb. Number one, they’re never smarter than the girls.” (23:00–23:17, Dolores)
• Career Commitment:
  • Salley says her job comes first, even with Bravo exposure; she's not planning to quit (26:58–27:24).
  • She even got a tattoo of a robot for her favorite surgeon (27:24–27:37, Salley).

6. Bravo and Reality TV — Past, Present, and Future

• The Bachelor Backstory:
  • Salley initially left The Bachelor to reunite with her ex; says reality TV opportunities “fell into my lap” (32:11–32:37).
  • She faces criticism for doing “too many” reality shows but dismisses it as jealousy, echoed by the hosts (32:38–33:10).
• Would She Do More Reality TV?
  • Open to other Bravo shows like The Traitors if her job would allow (31:13–31:54).
• Bravo Fandom and Recommendations:
  • Salley admits she hasn’t watched Housewives, only Summer House and McBee Dynasty (36:21–36:26, Salley).
  • Hosts recommend starting with later seasons of Jersey or Salt Lake City for best experience (36:35–37:13).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On reality edits:
  • “You’re only seeing bits and pieces… I’m not just going after Craig. I’m flirting with everybody. I’m single!” — Salley, (07:32–07:54)
• On supporting friends:
  • “If you like him, I’m your girl. I’ll try to like him for you and I will support this relationship.” — Salley, (10:41)
• On social media hate:
  • “Only 3% of our viewers are making those [negative] comments.” — Teddi, (35:18–35:26)
• On Bravo fame:
  • “Don’t listen to that… any one of them would take that job. The reason they’re saying that is because they’re jealous.” — Teddi, (32:38–32:48)
• About her ex-fiancé’s cheating:
  • “The girl DM’d me on Instagram… I had a gut feeling.” — Salley, (22:02–22:13)
• Encouragement from the hosts:
  • “Don’t let those people upset you. You’re so established, your career, you’re on Bravo, you have everything that everybody wants. Just keep pissing people off. I love it.” — Teddi, (39:37–40:00)
• On balancing Bravo and professional life:
  • “My job comes first and they know that. Once the hospital calls me, I’m locked.” — Salley, (23:53–24:00)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Salley’s background & intro: 04:11–05:09
• Social media pressures & reality TV edits: 05:09–07:54
• Craig/Vanita drama & “girl’s girl” discussion: 07:54–10:49
• Behind-the-scenes on JT & last season: 08:52–09:55
• Discussion on missing cast members: 09:55–10:49
• Salley’s job and how she fits filming in: 23:53–25:57
• Personal life post-engagement, cheating story: 21:39–23:31
• Advice on friendships: 38:03–39:29
• Questions about watching Housewives / Bravo recommendations: 36:35–37:13
• Previewing the rest of the season: 37:46–37:54

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Final Takeaways

• Salley is juggling an impressive career and a Bravo reality TV presence, and is determined not to let either define her single-handedly.
• She maintains strong self-awareness and resilience, recognizing the realities of reality editing, social media, and the pitfalls of Bravo fame.
• The hosts encourage her to retain perspective, value her real-world career, and brush off the small but loud chorus of critics.
• Fans can look forward to a shift in her views on Craig as the season unfolds, and there may be continued friction in her friendships with Charlie and Vanita.

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Hosts' Final Words:
Tamra & Teddi repeatedly remind Salley—and listeners—that only a tiny fraction of viewers are truly negative, encourage leaning on real friends, and give practical advice for navigating reality TV world with humor and perspective.

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For those unfamiliar with Salley Carson or the current Southern Charm season, this episode offers an honest, behind-the-scenes look at what it takes to navigate both reality TV and a high-stakes medical career.

Transcript

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

2 Ts in a pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamara Jud. Hi, guys. Welcome back to another episode of the twat Seat. Today we have Sally from Southern Charm. I'm super excited. I don't think that I've ever met Sally. Have you met her in.

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In person?

[Dolores]

No. Was she at BravoCon?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, I would imagine she was in Bravocon.

[Dolores]

I just. I. I don't know why I hear in my head when I say Sally. Sally sells seashells by the seashore.

[Sally]

Like it.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Just because she was. She was raised in South Carolina and then she moved to Charleston a few years ago after landing an impressive job in Spinal Robotics.

[Dolores]

That's very cool.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

That's very impressive. So I need to hear more about this and I also need to hear about Craig. So can you bring her in?

[Dolores]

Yeah, but Sally. Okay, we'll talk. You're going to get a little dolo 101.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But did you know that she was also on the Bachelor? I do.

[Dolores]

I do. She was on the Bachelor and she was supposed to. What was she supposed to be on something else, but then was it this? Oh, where is she? Sally. Hey.

[Sally]

Hey. Can y' all hear me?

[Dolores]

We can hear you.

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[Dolores]

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[Tamara Jud]

Talk.

[Dolores]

We're gonna talk. Sally and Sally.

[Ad Sponsor Voice]

Sally.

[Sally]

I think we need to.

[Ad Sponsor Voice]

For sure.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

How are you?

[Sally]

I'm good. I'm good. It's been a little brutal out there for me recently, but.

[Ad Sponsor Voice]

Has it?

[Dolores]

You mean like.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You mean like in social media world?

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Dolores]

Tell us. What?

[Sally]

Trying to stay off of it. Ignore it.

[Dolores]

That's the only thing you can do. It's not going to find you unless you look for it.

[Sally]

Exactly.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Sally. I've been watching the show. We recap it. I don't know why Anybody would have a problem with you.

[Sally]

I appreciate y' all so much. I was watching one of Yalls clips, and y' all had my back, talking about me and Vanitas issues. Yeah. And it's just the way that they're, you know, making it out to be is just annoying to me. But I also am watching it, and I'm like, what am I doing wrong?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Dolores]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Again, I do that about myself all the time.

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Is it me?

[Sally]

Which sometimes I am like, why did I say that? But, you know, it is.

[Dolores]

That's okay. Just be yourself. You can never go wrong with being yourself. And. And that's fine. And I haven't seen anything thus far that you've done so totally terrible.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, other than making.

[Dolores]

Except for liking Greg. Like Walt, which I'm gonna say maybe not nice things.

[Sally]

That's same.

[Dolores]

Okay.

[Sally]

Because that is.

[Dolores]

We're on the same page with that. And I like him. Yeah, but you're in a. You're in an OR all day with hot doctors.

[Sally]

Yeah, well, Greg's hot.

[Dolores]

He's hot. But you have a lot of. You have a lot of people around. You work in a hospital.

[Sally]

Yeah. And like, that's. That was, like, the depth of it in the beginning of the summer. I thought he was hot. I didn't know him. Like, he looks great.

[Dolores]

He is. We all thought he was hot. Right, Tim? At. He had a.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

He had a little bit of glow up after he broke up with.

[Sally]

Yeah, right. For sure.

[Dolores]

Yeah. He's got it.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

A lot of my friends will be like, oh, Craig is so hot. And I'd be like, huh.

[Dolores]

Really?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I never really looked at him like that. And then the new season came out, and I'm like, oh, he is pretty hot.

[Dolores]

His hair looks great. He's got a really cute house. Really nice house. He's really cute with his dog. He's got a dog, right?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Does he.

[Dolores]

Is it a cat?

[Sally]

No, he used. He had a cat with Paige.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Are you saying he has a pussy?

[Sally]

Yes.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

That was your.

[Sally]

Also.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Sorry.

[Dolores]

No, I mean.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, I know you can't say.

[Dolores]

We're not here to shit on Craig. We're here to talk about you.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No, I know that you can't say much because the season just started, but this whole love triangle really has me intrigued.

[Sally]

Oh, gosh. I know. And it's. It's. The way it's playing out is frustrating to me just because everyone's like, oh, my gosh, Sally, he's not that into you. You're, like, so obsessed with him. And I'm like, you're only seeing bits and pieces, Right. And also, they're showing me flirt with Craig, but they're not showing me flirt with, like, Corey. And like, everyone else, I'm, like, not just going after Craig. I'm flirting with everybody. I'm single. Good.

[Dolores]

I love that you're doing that.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Now, I have seen a few people say, like, well, you're not a girl's girl because Vanita doesn't like him, so you shouldn't.

[Sally]

That is the most frustrating thing to me in the world because Vanita comes to me with all of her secrets, and we're so close. Like, she trusts me.

[Dolores]

So you're still close, right? You're still close? Yeah.

[Sally]

I mean, I'm frustrated with some of the things I've seen that she's said, because I'm like, why would you say that when you didn't feel that way really about me? Because you know that I am a girl's girl for you. And, like, it just frustrated me because last year she was with JT and I hated him. And I warned her, just like she's doing with me and Greg, and I warned her over and over again. And then he tried to blackmail me in front of everyone. So he personally, like, attacked me in front of the whole group. And she still wanted to be with him. And I was like, you know what?

[Dolores]

On camera?

[Sally]

Yeah. But they didn't show it.

[Dolores]

Okay, well, it wasn't on camera then.

[Sally]

You see a little bit of him coming after me, but not to the extent, because we are.

[Dolores]

I mean, this is the first time hearing this.

[Sally]

Well, he came after me a little bit last season, and you saw a.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Little bit of it.

[Tamara Jud]

Yeah.

[Sally]

But then they didn't change.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

He came after everybody.

[Sally]

Oh. He was like, I have all these receipts and pictures of Sally. I'm gonna throw them up on the tv. And, like, even production kind of shut it down. They were like, we're not doing that.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I'm actually glad not to see him.

[Sally]

Yes.

[Dolores]

I'm glad that they didn't do that. I mean, right?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. No, I'm glad they didn't do that. You know, there I had mixed feelings about JT Because I felt like last season he really moved things along, and he was the one that caused most the drama, so I thought that we might miss him. But so far, the season's been really good.

[Dolores]

It's really good.

[Tamara Jud]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Not missing. Not missing at all.

[Sally]

Nobody misses him.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Do you think he's. Do you see him? Do you ever see him around here?

[Sally]

No. He has Pretty much all of us blocked. And he moved, I think, to, like, Bali or something.

[Ad Sponsor Voice]

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[Sally]

And, like, just went off the grid. So.

[Dolores]

Eat love prey. He's gonna do a little bit of that stuff. Sally. Of course I put eat first. Sally, let me ask you. So I'm this story, you know, hearing this poor puts us such a different light on how I feel about what happened with you and Vanita. Because, you know, you should have probably said that, right? You should have had a sit down with her and said to her, this happened last year, the same exact scenario, and I was okay with it. And we're still friends. So why is it different now? Why is it double standard?

[Sally]

And you do see a little bit of that coming up, I hope. I mean, I don't know how you don't know.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, you have to get your receipts ready for the reunion because you have a strong argument there.

[Sally]

Exactly. Because I told her, I was like, look, if you like him, I'm your girl. I will try to like him for you, and I will support this relationship.

[Tamara Jud]

Right.

[Dolores]

Well, dance at your wedding if this is what you want.

[Sally]

Exactly. And I was never trying to date Craig. Like, I wasn't like, I want to date him. I was just having fun hanging out with him.

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

I don't see anything that bad between Craig and Vanita that she has to make it out like he is the devil.

[Dolores]

That was my question. Tamara, you took it right out of. So can you explain to us, can you clarify that for me and Tamara what's like this visceral.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Why can't she move on?

[Sally]

I, I, I don't know. I really don't. I didn't really understand it and that's why I was kind of being like light hearted about it.

[Dolores]

Okay.

[Sally]

In the beginning.

[Dolores]

That's understandable. See, this is very enlightening.

[Sally]

Yeah. Because I'm like, Craig said stuff about her on Watch what happens and just kind of wrote her off. Right. But she also said negative things about him. So they both were talking shit about.

[Dolores]

What did he say about her? Was it like so damaging?

[Sally]

He said he didn't want to be associated with her anymore and he just kind of was like, I don't want to be friends with her anymore. Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

That's mild. And Bravo world.

[Dolores]

Listen, we'll take that all day long.

[Sally]

Yeah. And like I have Vanita's back in all of this especially because, you know, she ends up being right about a lot of stuff. However she, I don't think she went about it the right way. Yeah. So. And we'll see.

[Dolores]

I mean she half did, she half did about some things. Like it started out but then it seemed to like kind of snowball. I feel we have a little bit to go. Of course. How many episodes are we in now?

[Sally]

Four, I think.

[Dolores]

And how many all together?

[Sally]

I think 15.

[Dolores]

Okay. So we have a long way to go to all play out and I know that you can't talk a lot about it, but we could talk up to now. So it's very, I, I'm happy to know that it was something. She was in the same predicament last year and you guys are still friends and.

[Sally]

Yes.

[Dolores]

Yeah. So, okay. So she, it's not worth fighting over that one guy.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Didn't we just See on Instagram that she's dating possibly or been rumored to be out with Carl.

[Sally]

She has been out with Carl. Yeah.

[Dolores]

Nice.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I love Carl.

[Sally]

Is super sweet. I think that they would actually be a good fit for each other. I've met him a few times and I really like him. And she deserves a good guy.

[Dolores]

Oh, my God.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Your guys's crossover is crazy.

[Sally]

I know.

[Dolores]

It is, right?

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[Dolores]

But you know what? I think that your whole cast and their whole cast can be on each other's shows. You remind me a lot of each other.

[Sally]

Yeah, I would agree with that because I'm friends. I've gotten to know Jesse and West. I've met Sierra, who I think is awesome. But yeah, I mean, I think that they're all great. And I love Amanda. I think she's awesome.

[Dolores]

Oh, I really love them all. I love. Even, like, when they're not getting along, I still love them all.

[Sally]

Yeah. Yeah. That's a great show.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Is there anybody on that show you would date?

[Sally]

Probably not.

[Dolores]

Probably not.

[Sally]

I mean, I'd like, played a little bit with, you know.

[Tamara Jud]

Yeah.

[Dolores]

Who?

[Sally]

One of them, but.

[Dolores]

Oh, you can't say that, Sally. You have to go tell us.

[Sally]

No, west came to Columbia. He, like, had, like.

[Dolores]

Yes, I know.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I love West.

[Dolores]

I love Wes, too. I was saying it in a tongue in cheek matter.

[Sally]

Yeah, he's great. And we hung out at Bravocon and.

[Dolores]

It was not the game, Tamra. He's.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

The way he dresses and everything, it's just.

[Dolores]

It's just a cute mess.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

He just speaks to his own drum, like.

[Dolores]

Yeah, he's so cute. His person, he's very nice. His person, he's so nice. You know why? You know what? Like, makes girls melt. That he does. I'm gonna tell you. I know because I. I watch everything.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Did he make you melt, Dolores?

[Dolores]

No, but he listens. Like, he's very attentive when you're talking to him. Right, Sally?

[Sally]

Yeah, I would agree with that.

[Dolores]

At the end of the day, we just want a little kindness, gentleness. And he's really. He doesn't look like that. Like, he's a football player guy, but he. He. When he comes off like that, you're like, oh, I see. I get why the girls like him.

[Sally]

Yeah, he's very genuine.

[Dolores]

Yeah.

[Sally]

Like, if you're hanging out with him, like, all of his attention is on you. You see what I mean?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Isn't he a Midwest boy?

[Dolores]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. Missouri or something. Kansas City.

[Sally]

Kansas City.

[Tamara Jud]

Yeah.

[Sally]

Odd. Yeah.

[Dolores]

Isn't it so easy? Isn't it just so easy. Why can't boys just. Just get it?

[Sally]

I know, I know. And there's the McBee dynasty. They're all from Missouri.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yes, yes.

[Dolores]

And there's the Cowboys.

[Sally]

I've met all of them, and they're amazing too, so.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, I love them. I funny fact. Like, my assistant lives in Missouri, and his mom and dad went to high school with McBees.

[Dolores]

Oh, that's so. So cute.

[Sally]

Luke.

[Dolores]

Luke is their producer.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, Luke, his first time. The producer that produces our show, Orange county. He's doing McBee right now, and he.

[Dolores]

Used to produce Housewives. He's a good producer.

[Sally]

Yeah. Yeah, I think it's a great show.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So are you dating anybody currently?

[Sally]

I am not. Sally was. I was like, a little bit.

[Dolores]

And then was he like, I want to know?

[Sally]

I mean, all the guys I choose. You would be. I mean, everyone is like, sally, what are you doing? No job, no car.

[Dolores]

Sally, I. Sally, you are. We have to talk. Like, I couldn't wait to get you on here.

[Sally]

You guys, it's bad. Wait, Charles did.

[Dolores]

I don't care. Like, you can't tell me you're in a hospital around these young doctors coming out of residency doing spine surgery.

[Sally]

Feel like they're all taken. Like they're all married, engaged.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No, because they're the good guys. Are the good guys taken up pretty quick?

[Dolores]

Listen, Sally's not looking.

[Sally]

I was engaged to a neurosurgeon, though. Did y' all know that? No.

[Dolores]

I know you were engaged and you called it off.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Is this the one? Is this the one you were engaged to when you were gonna do the Bachelor? Right before the Bachelor, and then you. Oh, no.

[Dolores]

So why'd you call it off? I just wanna know.

[Sally]

He cheated on me.

[Dolores]

They cheat, like, 25.

[Sally]

25 days before the wedding. 30 days before the wedding.

[Dolores]

How'd you find out?

[Sally]

The girl DM'd me on Instagram. And she was like, hey, girl. And I knew it was coming. I was like, I already know where this conversation.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Did you have, like, a gut feeling? You just didn't want to be in denial?

[Sally]

Yeah, because you.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

That.

[Dolores]

Was it in a. Was it like a relationship or was it like a drive by blowjob kind of thing?

[Sally]

Yeah, it was like that.

[Dolores]

I shouldn't have said that.

[Sally]

No, please.

[Dolores]

There's a difference. Yeah, both is bad, but one's. One's emotionally involved and one. He's just a pig.

[Sally]

And, well, I think he was doing it with, like, others too. So I was just like, I don't want Any part of this.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So why would he want to get married if he was wanting to act single?

[Dolores]

Did he think he was cool for the first time? You know, they're in school forever.

[Sally]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Probably because I feel like they're like teenagers or like college when they're getting out of res, like doing all that work and, you know, I mean, it's years and years, and then by the time they're 40, they're out and they have money and then they just want to play.

[Dolores]

Yeah, timing is everything, Sally. But what they don't know, and they're so stupid. They could be so smart and they're so dumb. Number one, they're never smarter than the girls. That's number one. They always get caught. They're not slick and it's just such a waste. Look what he lost. But, like, you can't go from.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Give me a social media. Let me go after him.

[Dolores]

Camera will rip.

[Sally]

I don't even know what he's up.

[Dolores]

Right. His balls off. Camera will kick his. Like, he'll be so sorry he did that.

[Sally]

I mean, look at. After he did it, I like, went on four TV shows. He's probably like, what the hell?

[Dolores]

Oh, you know what he's doing? He's sitting there with whoever he's with now, and he's going, yeah, I did.

[Charlotte]

I was a kid.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, my God.

[Sally]

That's exactly.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I have a question for you. How do you juggle your job with filming?

[Sally]

Filming is very. I mean, my job comes first, and they know that once the hospital calls me, I'm like, locked.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Sally]

But, yeah, there. I mean, if I have a case, like if there's some scenes that I. We were filming and the hospital called and I was like, I have to go. And no matter what we're doing, like, I have to leave. And they respect it, and they're very. They're very good about that.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Can you explain to me exactly what you do?

[Sally]

Yes, I would love to, because everyone thinks I'm claiming to be a doctor. I'm not a doctor.

[Dolores]

No, no.

[Sally]

So went to the medical sales college, specialized in the spine. And then I got this job right out of college. So I've been doing it for almost nine years. And I control a robot for the surgeon. The surgeon is still doing the operation, but I am sending the robot to different trajectories in the spine where screws go and all of his instruments go down. My robotic.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Wow, that is insane. And you don't have to have a medical degree to do that. You just have to be trained in this.

[Sally]

Correct. It took me about two years before I was extremely comfortable with, you know, doing all the surgeries. Now I, I just show up and I'm like, you know, I'm confident in whatever we're doing, but I'm, I'm standing right next to the patient. I'm not scrubbed in or anything, but I'm in. Yeah, I'm fully in the surgeries.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So do you meet the patient before or. No?

[Sally]

Sometimes. I mean, I'm mainly at Children's Hospital now, but I start in the hot. Like sometimes the patient will like roll in and just be like, hi. You know, say hi to everyone. But they're already kind of like loopy by the time they get back there. But I'm not like going to patients rooms and meeting them and talking about surgery. Right, right.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I was just wondering if there's ever a incident where a patient was like, wait a minute, aren't you.

[Sally]

Oh, yeah. No, not yet. Some of the doctors, which is funny in like the hospital, they'll be like, hey, can I get a selfie for my wife?

[Dolores]

That's so cute.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh my God, that is so funny. I, I figured it was something with a pharmaceutical sales training that you've gone through.

[Sally]

It's technically medical device sales.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Medical device. Okay.

[Sally]

I don't sell anything. I just try to get my surgeons to use the robot that you train them.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Do you ever train them? So medical professionals so they can do it or do you. They. Okay, yeah.

[Sally]

So I will fly sometimes the conferences where we have labs, or I'll go to a lab and I'll work with a surgeon and train other surgeons or residents on how to use the robot.

[Dolores]

Wow, that's so interesting. You know, I'm a surge tech. Sally.

[Sally]

Are you?

[Dolores]

Yeah.

[Sally]

Oh, my gosh. I didn't know that. That's awesome.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I just like to get lots of plastic surgery.

[Dolores]

That doesn't need robotic. That's about four instruments. Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

What's next?

[Sally]

But I'm very obsessed with my. I'm. I'm very obsessed with my job, if.

[Dolores]

I ever should be. Because it's so interesting. It's. Well, how long is a surgery typically for you?

[Sally]

Because I know it's sometimes it can be anywhere from like four hours to eight.

[Dolores]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So no, I have the most respect for you because a lot of people get on Bravo and. And then they quit all their daytime jobs and they're just making money on Bravo and let's face it, you can get paid very well. The longer you're on. And then when the show's over or they get let go, they're like, oh shit, I have no. I mean, this is very true in the housewife world. Like a lot of housewives don't have a backup plan.

[Sally]

Yeah, yeah. And that's my surgeon, actually one of my surgeons. He's always like, you're not going to leave me, are you? And I got that. I literally got this tattoo for him because I'm like, I now I can't go anywhere. It's a little robot. Oh my God.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

How cute.

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[Sally]

Max this is Sophie Cunningham from Show Me Something. Do you know the symptoms of moderate.

[Dolores]

To severe obstructive sleep apnea, or osa.

[Sally]

In adults with obesity? They may be happening to you without you knowing.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

If anyone has ever said you snored.

[Sally]

Loudly, or if you spend your days.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Fighting off excessive tiredness, irritability and concentration.

[Dolores]

Issues, it may be due to osa.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

OSA is a serious condition where your airway partially or completely collapses during sleep, which may cause breathing interruptions and oxygen deprivation. Learn more at don'tsleep on OSA.com this.

[Sally]

Information is provided by Lilly, A medicine company.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Could you see yourself doing any other Bravo show, like Vanderpump Rules, Below Deck, anything like that? Well, below deck would be impossible because you travel too much and you have to work.

[Sally]

Yeah, well, I mean, I don't know if the opportunity ever presented itself like I thought I would, it would be amazing. You know, I love the show Traders, which Dolores Hero.

[Dolores]

Yeah, I was on.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I was on season two, Tamara was.

[Dolores]

On and I was on. But then, you know, you are going to have to give your job. Like Traders. You could be there from a day. You could be there for a month and some time. So that's not some. That's something you'd have to actually take away from your job. But. But I think you're established enough in your job that you could do that now.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But regardless if you were there a day or 30 days, you have to take a whole 30 days off. Right. Because even if you.

[Sally]

That's less than I took off for the Bachelor, so.

[Dolores]

Oh, so.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So you could do that?

[Sally]

Yeah, yeah. They. They were very supportive of. I mean, you know, they were. The surgeon that I was with worked at that hospital that I worked at. So everyone was just felt bad for me. They were like, go, go to the Bachelor.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

What made you decide to try out for the Bachelor? To go on the Bachelor? We obviously know that you didn't go through with it, but what I actually.

[Sally]

Ended up getting back with him after that whole experience. And that's why I left because I was so in love with him. I was like, what am I doing here? So I am Getting a lot of hate also because everyone's like, she's so thirsty. She's been on all these shows. And I'm like, all of these shows fell into my lap. Genuinely, what do you care?

[Dolores]

They're jealous.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. Don't listen to that. Because I'll tell you right now, any.

[Dolores]

One of them would take that job.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yes. Any one of them would do that. The reason why they're doing that is because they're jealous and they can go.

[Dolores]

Off as far as it's not.

[Sally]

You can't buy me to talk to you guys.

[Dolores]

Yeah, listen. It's not attainable. Like, you can't buy into it. You know how many housewives. You know how many. A lot like money people with private planes, billionaires, they can't buy into being on these shows. You have to buy luck by chance, by the grace of God.

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Dolores]

Get on it and be not. Never take it for granted. And the worst thing you can do ever is let the chatter outside of the show get to you.

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Dolores]

Because you don't even know who they are.

[Sally]

I know. That's what I'm working on right now.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And the mean ones are always allowed.

[Dolores]

You have. Right. And they're usually like, I don't got Sally, you know what? My whole Instagram is number one now, right now. The monks and their dog. Number two.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Do you know, she probably doesn't know about the monks. You know about the. The monks that are walking, Sally. Oh, my gosh. She has people.

[Sally]

I'll stalk you.

[Dolores]

So there's a whole group of monks that decided to come out of seclusion to walk for peace. They started in November. They're walking from, I think, Houston, and they're walking across the country on foot with their dog all the way to Washington, D.C. some of them have no shoes. They're just stopping, praying, just sleeping, and they get up and go the next day. They don't have food. They only have what you give them. They're not allowed for. To ask for anything. I'm obsessed. I'm dying. I want to go.

[Sally]

I need to go look that up.

[Dolores]

Instead of looking at.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I'll send it to you on Instagram.

[Dolores]

Yeah. Sally, instead of looking at all the shit haters, why don't you look at good stuff like that, like dogs saving dogs.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So, Sally, me and Dolores were talking about New Year's resolution. Neither one of us really do it, but there's always, like, a goal. And if there's any goal that we could do, it would be to, like, put our phones down and not Live our life on social media and look like Sally.

[Dolores]

Yes. And look like you.

[Sally]

Thank you, guys.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I'm too old for that.

[Dolores]

But you and your bikini on the beach playing football stuff.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, my God, I was dying.

[Dolores]

I'm like, why is she there? She should be in St. Bart's on a yacht.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So I'm telling you, don't you worry about what any buddy saying, because the normal, sane people that are watching the show, they're not saying that. And I remember going, normal people. Yeah. Last year, two years ago, I had a really bad season. I got death threats. I got all kinds of stuff.

[Dolores]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And I met with somebody at Bravo and they told me, you know What, Tamara? It's 3% of our viewers that are making those comments. 3%.

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[Sally]

That's so true.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So don't let those 3 percenters upset you.

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Dolores]

Anyway.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, yeah.

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[Dolores]

Go look at the monks. Go. Go work on that.

[Sally]

I'm gonna look at the monks.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Do you watch any other. Do you watch Housewives at all?

[Sally]

I am going to get into it, but I need to know. So my best friends. I have, like, six best girlfriends from college. They're obsessed.

[Dolores]

Well, yeah, the college girls are our best friends. The sorority girls, when they show up, they're so fun. I always point them out. I'm like, college friends. Right. Cause they're having a good time.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So what? They watch it and you don't.

[Sally]

They watch all of them. And I'm just now getting into, like, watching Bravo and. Because I'm always watching some stupid, like, Grey's Anatomy over and over and over again.

[Dolores]

Yeah, well, it's your field now. You're. Now. This is your field, too.

[Sally]

So. But I just don't know which one to start with.

[Tamara Jud]

What?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Bravo?

[Tamara Jud]

What.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Is there any problem shows that you do watch?

[Sally]

Just. I've only seen Summer house and the McBee dynasty.

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

So you're busy actually working, so you.

[Dolores]

Want to watch oc?

[Sally]

Like, where do I start?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, God.

[Dolores]

I would say start season seven for New Jersey.

[Sally]

Oh, so I don't need to start season.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, I think the earlier seasons were so different. I mean, if you want to, but you'd have to have a lot of time to do it. 19 seasons. Yeah. I would start in the later seasons.

[Dolores]

Because it's relevant to the cast that's there now.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Salt Lake City is a good one.

[Dolores]

Oh, Salt Lake City is good. And, you know, it's not that many.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Seasons, like six or seven right now, is it?

[Dolores]

That much I didn't even know But I would start Salt Lake within the past when Jen Shaw went away. What was that, three seasons ago?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Dolores]

So I would. Yeah. So we could. Tamra, I'll text you or I'll. I'll DM you where to start. What? But, you know, you gotta, like, do it.

[Sally]

I'm going to. I don't have work for, like, a week because. Well, I have a case tomorrow, but after that, I'm done for, like, a week. So I'm gonna get into some shows. Yeah.

[Dolores]

Okay. You'll learn a lot from us.

[Tamara Jud]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I don't want to take up too much of your time, but I do want to know, is there anything that you can tease for the upcoming season that you won't get in trouble?

[Sally]

I think you'll see. Hopefully you'll see my opinion on Craig change very drastically.

[Dolores]

Oh, wow.

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Like I said, I have a question.

[Dolores]

Is a bad task. What? Your friend Charlie.

[Sally]

Yes.

[Dolores]

How. How are things now?

[Sally]

I mean, things are good. Things are good.

[Dolores]

Okay.

[Sally]

Yeah. I just. I feel, you know, it just. It was harder for me just because I was the one that kind of just like, brought her into this friend group and introduced her, and I felt, like, a little bit stabbed in the back at times, and I think maybe we'll see that. But it was more about me and her friendship more than it was about Craig, if that makes sense. Once I brought her into the whole group, things started to shift between us, and it just hurt my feelings, and I was like, why is this happening? We had such a good friendship before.

[Dolores]

Yeah, well, Sally, you haven't been friends with her for a long time, right? No, it's been a good time, but not a long time.

[Sally]

Not a long time.

[Dolores]

So, you know, moving forward, you know, we're older. Tamara and I are older. We've had a lot of experience with friendships, and you really can't be that disappointed because there's not a lot invested there. Right.

[Sally]

I agree.

[Dolores]

Maybe you could be a little bit surprised, but not, like, it's not a game changer for you. You guys aren't childhood friends. It's not years ongoing. You bonded over being a little wild.

[Sally]

Mm, I agree.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Which is fine.

[Dolores]

Yeah, it's fine.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It's fine.

[Dolores]

But there's. There's some people that you trust a hundred thousand percent, and there's some people you trust in different ways with different things.

[Sally]

Yes, for sure.

[Dolores]

Nothing against Charlie. It's just. I feel like the. Just the friendship that my. My. Well, right. Tamara, do you know what I'm trying to say?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yes, I mean, I think that both Dolores and I are coming from a place where we just look at you as our child and we just want to give you a big hug and be just like. Don't let those people upset you. You're way love all that. Think about everything you have. You're so established, your career, you're on bravo. You have everything that everybody wants. So just keep it up. Just keep pissing people off. I love it.

[Dolores]

And it's better to not to be in no relationship than in a relationship.

[Sally]

With the wrong person, especially one with no job. So.

[Dolores]

And oh, don't ever let me hear that again. That's the most disgusting thing I ever heard. Don't you dare.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And boys, I'd rather you be with JT than a guy with no job.

[Dolores]

I'd rather you be. Listen, honestly, I just want you to be with the right guy. And remember, boys lie. Remember look at your shirt and remember that.

[Sally]

Boys, they just sent me like three sets I've been wearing every day. My family, you know, I was the.

[Dolores]

First one to buy them. They don't send me shit.

[Sally]

So maybe they'll listen to this and send me shit.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I know I used to buy them for my daughter all the time.

[Dolores]

I bought it for myself. I still buy, I go, I get nothing.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Not appreciated. But thank you so much Sally for taking the time.

[Tamara Jud]

I know that.

[Dolores]

Thank you Sally.

[Sally]

Thanks for all yalls advice. Seriously. It was.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yes, we're always here for you.

[Dolores]

We are. We've been through it.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Have a great Christmas.

[Sally]

Merry Christmas holiday.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Happy holiday.

[Sally]

Bye guys.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Bye.

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