The Twot Seat: THE CHRISLEYS

Summary

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Two Ts In A Pod – The Twot Seat: THE CHRISLEYS

Hosts: Teddi Mellencamp & Tamra Judge
Guests: Todd & Julie Chrisley
Release Date: January 20, 2026
Podcast: Two Ts In A Pod (iHeartPodcasts)

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Episode Overview

In this special “Twat Seat” episode, Tamra Judge welcomes Todd and Julie Chrisley, famous for “Chrisley Knows Best,” newly pardoned and reunited after serving time for tax evasion and bank fraud. The conversation is candid, spanning reality TV comebacks, behind-the-scenes of “The Masked Singer,” their personal prison experiences, their presidential pardon from Donald Trump, family resilience, advocacy for prison reform, and the backlash they've received amid their return to public life.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Reunion and Lighthearted Banter

• Tamra warmly welcomes Todd & Julie, jokes about their friendship and her mom’s longstanding “crush” on Todd.
• Discussion about their time apart, reconnecting, and the strong family bonds that endured during their incarceration.
• (03:34) Todd: “Thank you. You look amazing.”
• (03:46) Tamra: “My mom. No disrespect, Julie, but my mom has the hots for Todd. We all know that.”
• (03:52) Todd (joking): “She’s been my girlfriend for years.”

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2. The Masked Singer Experience

• The Chrisleys reveal details of appearing as ‘The Croissants’ on “The Masked Singer,” and the emotional significance of the costume as a tribute to their late friend Nick.
• Julie admits nerves about singing: “I was a little apprehensive because I don’t sing at all and Todd does.” (05:43)
• Todd and Julie clarify the singing is not all pre-recorded and joke about needing auto-tune.
• Discuss the secrecy of the show, even from their own children, and how Savannah guessed their involvement.

[04:13] Todd Chrisley:
“You know, the show, they presented it to us... when they brought [the croissant costume] to us, it was kind of like a nod from [Nick].”

[05:24] Julie Chrisley:
“Well, I think they probably helped me out a little bit [with auto-tune].”

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3. Life & Separation During Prison (06:41–09:19, 14:04–17:49, 32:24–35:48)

• Contrast in prison experiences: Julie describes having a “much harder time” and less favorable conditions than Todd.
• Todd and Julie reveal they had no contact for the entire 28 months—only monitored, slow email via prison systems.
• Julie’s recounting of rough conditions: no air conditioning, unreliable heating, and a 52-day ordeal being transferred and held in jails after initially appealing her case.
• Emotional effects:
  • Julie admits she “lived every day looking to get it over with” and recognizes the trauma for her kids, especially Savannah.
  • Todd shares how observing the system’s failings gave him a new sense of mission and perspective:

    “These 28 months were not the worst 28 months of my life. Because God allowed me to see what the mission was.” (24:59)

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4. Shows, Projects & What’s Next for the Chrisleys (17:06–18:17)

• Multiple upcoming projects:
  • Julie and Savannah travel out of the country in March for an Amazon project; Todd heading to the UK for a separate show; Julie starting a cooking show in February.
  • Plans to resume filming the family’s reality show later in the year, expected to premiere in early 2027.
• Their prison release was filmed for a Lifetime documentary.

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5. Being Pardoned & the Impact on Family (18:45–21:21, 35:03–39:49)

• Savannah’s pivotal role in securing their pardon, managing the family, and facing online backlash.
• Both discuss the emotional call from the president, the shock of their release, and the madness of packing up and saying goodbye to their “prison kids.”
• Backlash is acknowledged, but they highlight most negativity was more about Trump than them personally.

  “Our backlash was not really that we got a pardon. It was more so that we were pardoned by President Trump.” – Julie (35:19)

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6. Prison Reform Advocacy & The First Step Act (21:31–24:59)

• Todd is actively working with the Bureau of Prisons and advocates for early releases for others under the First Step Act.
• Proudly shares the number of inmates he’s helped release—97 by Christmas, 111 as of this episode.
• Critiques the system’s inefficiency and bias toward minorities and non-English speakers.

  “Some of them [inmates] have been there over a year longer than what they should have been there for.” – Todd (22:49)
  “Even a day longer than what you have to stay there is too much.” – Julie (23:19)

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7. The Chrisley Case: Public Attention & New Revelations (25:13–25:52)

• Todd claims their prosecution was “targeted due to their celebrity status” per Inspector General findings, and their case is now under further investigation.

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8. Reflections, Growth & Strength as a Family (26:30–28:05, 37:06–39:49)

• Perspective: Both maintain they had it better than many inmates, focusing on gratitude and purpose rather than hardships.
• Family resilience, deepened understanding, and proof to themselves and their kids that they can endure hardship and thrive after.

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9. Responding to Haters & Life Post-Pardon (35:03–40:48)

• On critics: Online backlash is mostly political; most people are supportive or separate their personal feelings about the Chrisleys from the politics of their pardon.
• Advice:

  “Do you really think that they wouldn’t trade places with you right now? Shut up. Just shut your mouth.” – Tamra (40:21)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote | |-----------|---------|-------| | 03:52 | Todd (to Tamra) | “She’s been my girlfriend for years.” | | 04:13 | Todd | “The croissant costume... was kind of like a nod from [Nick].” | | 09:03 | Todd | “Our identity is not a show... we’re a husband and a wife, we have parents, we’re the parents of children, and that’s where our identity is.” | | 16:02–16:39 | Julie | “We didn’t talk for 28 months... we had email... [but] it was hard to keep a conversation going...” | | 23:33 | Todd | “My goal was to get 100 men home by Christmas time, and I fell short by three. I got 97 home. And now it’s up to 111.” | | 24:59 | Todd | “These 28 months were not the worst 28 months of my life. Because God allowed me to see what the mission was.” | | 25:40 | Todd | “The Inspector General said the Chrisleys were targeted due to their celebrity status.” | | 35:19 | Julie | “Our backlash was not really that we got a pardon. It was more so that we were pardoned by President Trump.” | | 37:06 | Todd | “Even if we’re separated, the strength is still there.” |

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Segment Timestamps—Key Moments

• 03:34 – Reconnecting & playful banter about Tamra’s mom’s crush on Todd
• 04:13 – ‘The Croissants’ origin, Masked Singer experience
• 05:43 – Julie on singing nerves
• 06:41 – Prison experience: daily life, working out, amenities
• 14:04 – Behind-the-scenes secrecy on Masked Singer, sequestering
• 16:02 – Communication during prison: 28 months, no conversation
• 17:06 – New projects for the Chrisley family
• 18:45 – Filming family’s reunion upon release
• 19:14 – Savannah’s effort and emotional impact of parents’ imprisonment and release
• 21:31 – Todd’s advocacy and work for other inmates via the First Step Act
• 25:13 – The case against the Chrisleys and allegations of targeting
• 32:24–34:48 – Julie’s harsh prison experience and mental health
• 35:03 – Discussion of public and political backlash post-pardon
• 37:06 – Family resilience and learning from hardship
• 39:49 – Reflections on politics in Hollywood/fame

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Tone and Style

• Conversational, playful, and at times irreverent, with candid confessions and quips—true to Tamra and Todd’s public personalities.
• Supportive and empathetic, especially around emotional and traumatic experiences.
• Unfiltered and direct in addressing controversy, with an undercurrent of self-deprecating humor.

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Summary

This episode offers a candid look at the Chrisleys’ journey from reality TV fame through the public and private pain of scandal and incarceration, culminating in a surprising presidential pardon. Todd and Julie provide behind-the-scenes insight into TV appearances, share the real struggles and revelations of prison life, and define their renewed sense of purpose—particularly, Todd’s newfound advocacy for criminal justice reform. Despite the online and political backlash, the Chrisleys remain focused on family strength, gratitude, and their next chapter both on and off the screen.

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Transcript

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[Tamara Judge]

Hi guys. Welcome to another episode of the Twat Seat. Now today we're we have Julie and Todd Chrisley. Now we all know who Julie and Todd are. TV personalities best known for starring in Chrisley Knows Best. Julie and Todd co host their own podcast titled Chrisley Confessions. Todd and Julie, also most recently known for the masked singer as the Croissants and That's what I really want to dive into. Julie and Todd were convicted of tax evasion and bank fraud in 2022. And we'll talk a little bit about that and the fact that they were pardoned by President Donald Trump and reunited with their family. So let's get to it. Welcome. Welcome, you guys. I never thought, Todd, when I met you, what, 15 years ago at an event, and it was Atlanta or something, that I would be reunited with you on the podcast.

[Todd Chrisley]

Thank you. You look amazing.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, thank you. We have not. We have texts since you've been home, but we haven't actually talked. And a lot of people don't know that. We used to talk a lot.

[Todd Chrisley]

Yes, we did.

[Tamara Judge]

We did. My mom. No disrespect, Julie, but my mom has the hots for Todd. We all know that.

[Todd Chrisley]

She's been my girlfriend for years.

[Tamara Judge]

Yes. And in fact, I was texting him. I was texting you when you got out. Right. And then I'm like, I'm with my mom. How's my girlfriend doing? She's so excited. You guys, the croissants. The croissants. Who. Who comes up with that name?

[Todd Chrisley]

You know, the show, they presented it to us, and it was when they presented the. The theme of what the costume was going to be because we had lost Nick to a motorcycle accident, and Nick was French and Nick was chewed. And when they brought that to us, it was kind of like a nod from him.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Todd Chrisley]

And.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, that makes sense. I didn't put that to that together. I mean, obviously, the outfits, the song, Jailhouse Rock.

[Todd Chrisley]

Right.

[Tamara Judge]

The black and white stripes, the ball and chain. I mean, it's out. I think that everybody pretty much knew it was you guys. I. I mean, I knew I was going to interview you, but I. I knew your voice. Julie, like, Julie did a good job. I would have thought. I don't know who that is, but your voice just gave it away, Todd.

[Julie Chrisley]

It did. I think so, too. I said the same thing.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. I have a question. When you're singing in that outfit, is that like, pre recorded and then you actually sing in that?

[Todd Chrisley]

Yes.

[Julie Chrisley]

Yes, you do. Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

You can't. You can't ask for a little auto tune.

[Julie Chrisley]

Well, I think they probably helped me out a little bit.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm like, can you just, like, have me pre record it and auto tun? Because I don't want to kill these people's ears.

[Julie Chrisley]

I know. I felt the same way.

[Tamara Judge]

Right, so when they came to you and asked you to do this, were you, like, were you a Fan of the show. Is it something you thought, oh, yes, let's definitely do this?

[Julie Chrisley]

You know, I had watched the show, and then I watched when Savannah was on the show. I actually watched when I was in prison. She was on that. That season. And so it was kind of a full circle moment. I was a little apprehensive because I don't see at all. And Todd does. He's a much better singer than I am. So the ball and chain was very on point.

[Tamara Judge]

I thought you guys did a good job with your singing.

[Todd Chrisley]

You know, I had never seen. I had never watched the show. And Tamara, you know, for years, I don't watch a ton of television, so it's not something that I had watched. And then Savannah went on there, and I didn't see it until I got home.

[Tamara Judge]

You didn't have TV in your cell?

[Todd Chrisley]

We did, but I didn't watch all that stuff. I was too busy on my cell phone.

[Tamara Judge]

You got a cell phone and a tv? That sounds like a vacation.

[Julie Chrisley]

It wasn't. It wasn't a TV in your cell. You had a TV room.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

Room.

[Julie Chrisley]

Okay. Yeah. Listen. With headphones and the whole bit. Yeah, Yeah. I did. Real hard time, though, compared to him. Really? Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

That's messed up, Julie.

[Julie Chrisley]

It's very messed up.

[Todd Chrisley]

Yeah.

[Julie Chrisley]

I don't like that. Worried about him and hell, he was running the whole place. I was like, what am I? I'm over here worried to death. I'm like, oh, my gosh, I wonder what he's eating. He's so picky. And I knew how bad prison food was. Little did I know he was eating just fine.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, was he? And working out. We see.

[Julie Chrisley]

Working out. Oh, yeah.

[Todd Chrisley]

Well, I'm trying to keep. I'm trying to catch up to you and Eddie.

[Tamara Judge]

It's not hard. We're getting. We're getting old, Todd. We're getting old.

[Todd Chrisley]

We all are, my friend.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. So was it hard to keep this a secret?

[Todd Chrisley]

It really wasn't. As far as, like, everyone else in the world not knowing, it was hard with the kids because we couldn't tell them. We couldn't tell my mother. And Savannah figured it out. We were actually on the lot and in our trailer, and Savannah sent a text and said, dad, are you doing masked singer?

[Tamara Judge]

Did she have live360 on you? And she knew exactly.

[Todd Chrisley]

Someone that knows her that was there on the lot messaged her and said, oh, my God, I just met your parents. They were lovely. So she knew they were tied, that they were there on the set, and so she called me. She says don't lie. That's the only place that. That's the only show you could be shooting right there on that lie.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Todd Chrisley]

Then I can't talk, Savannah. I got to go.

[Tamara Judge]

So it's a pretty quick turnaround though,

[Julie Chrisley]

trying to adhere to the rules, you know.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Julie Chrisley]

People might think.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, that's a good one. It's a quick turnaround though, right? From the time you film to the time it airs, it's pretty quick. Just a few months or so. So that's not too bad. Even I can keep that secret now. Robin, had a feeling that two of you were duo from a canceled TV show. How does it feel for people to say like, how does it feel to hear canceled? Like.

[Julie Chrisley]

Well, we're not.

[Todd Chrisley]

Obviously we're not canceled because we're still airing on Bravo a USA and Peacock.

[Julie Chrisley]

Right.

[Todd Chrisley]

But the. You can't cancel us. Only God cancels us.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, here you are, Todd. You're not canceled.

[Todd Chrisley]

And you know, my thing is that my. Our identity is not a show. You know, we're a husband and a wife. You know, we have parents. We have. We're the parents of children and that's where. That's where our. Our identity is.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

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[Tamara Judge]

So when you were unmasked, Todd, you said you've done things that are more difficult than massing her. And I'm like, oh, yes, you have time. Time. Yeah, yeah. Are you able to see other people that are competing when you're there? Are you kind of isolated?

[Todd Chrisley]

You're sequestered in your own trailer. You have to have, literally when you

[Julie Chrisley]

get, before you ever get out of the car, you have to put on a mask, hoodie, and glass and gloves. And literally it says, do not, please do not speak to me.

[Tamara Judge]

That's like traitors.

[Julie Chrisley]

Oh, yes, yes.

[Tamara Judge]

So I would like to see you guys both be on Traders now.

[Todd Chrisley]

What is that?

[Julie Chrisley]

That's a. Yeah, that's Emmy award winning stuff.

[Todd Chrisley]

And I never know what, what people are talking about.

[Tamara Judge]

It's about killing people, Todd. Yeah, Fun.

[Julie Chrisley]

It's fun. Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Backstabbing, killing.

[Todd Chrisley]

Then you and I'll go on there as partners.

[Tamara Judge]

Right. I, I, it's now blown up to just this shoe. If you haven't watched it, I'm telling you, you need to watch it. It's really good competition reality show. It's. It's filmed in Scotland in a castle.

[Todd Chrisley]

Oh, I would like that.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Yeah. But you are literally in jail there. They, they cover you.

[Todd Chrisley]

I do it better.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

They, you are in a room. You're not allowed to leave. You're not allowed to do anything. You have no cell phone and you eat food.

[Todd Chrisley]

That's like prison.

[Tamara Judge]

It's like, that's why I said I go. This is like prison.

[Todd Chrisley]

Have a cell phone.

[Tamara Judge]

They take, they take everything away from you.

[Julie Chrisley]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Can't drink alcohol.

[Todd Chrisley]

Well, that, I've never had alcohol anymore.

[Tamara Judge]

Right.

[Julie Chrisley]

That's good. I mean, I, Yeah, that, that would be a lot. I don't know. That might give me a little ptsd.

[Tamara Judge]

That's what I, that's true, right?

[Julie Chrisley]

Yeah.

[Narrator (6th Bureau Podcast)]

Yeah.

[Julie Chrisley]

That's crazy.

[Tamara Judge]

How were you guys able to talk when you were away? No, no, I refuse to say. You're in jail. I refuse to say. Sorry.

[Julie Chrisley]

No, we, we were not able to speak.

[Tamara Judge]

We.

[Julie Chrisley]

So we didn't talk for 28 months. We had Email. But the email, you know, is through the prison email system. So it's very antiquated. And it's, you know, they monitor everything, which is fine. But it was hard. It was hard to, like, even to keep a conversation going because it's like I sent an email and then by the time it was reviewed and approved and then it was sent to his prison, and then it was reviewed and approved before it got to.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, you're like, in a month later.

[Julie Chrisley]

Yeah, it's like, it was hard to keep a. To even keep a conversation going, honestly. But no, we didn't. We didn't speak for the entire time we were gone.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, my God.

[Julie Chrisley]

Crazy.

[Tamara Judge]

That could be lovely. No, I'm sorry.

[Narrator (6th Bureau Podcast)]

Sorry, Eddie.

[Julie Chrisley]

I'm just joking.

[Tamara Judge]

Joking.

[Julie Chrisley]

It was crazy. It. It was a lot. Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

I got. You've been relatively quiet on social media, which only leads me to believe that you are working on another reality show. And we're going to see all this. I'm no dummy to this. 18 years in this industry. I'm like, oh, yes, yes. He's doing. They're doing.

[Todd Chrisley]

You know, listen, Tamara, we're very busy, and God has blessed us in more ways than I can even. Than I can even share.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Julie Chrisley]

Savannah and I are doing a project in March. It's out of the country and it's just the two of us. There'll be other people on the show, so we're doing that.

[Tamara Judge]

Can you say what network?

[Julie Chrisley]

Well, it's going to air on. It's going to be an Amazon project.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay.

[Julie Chrisley]

Through Amazon. And then Todd's work, gonna be working on a project over in the uk.

[Todd Chrisley]

I'm there for, like two, I think two and a half weeks.

[Julie Chrisley]

There's that. And then.

[Todd Chrisley]

Then she's. Julie starts filming her cooking show in February.

[Julie Chrisley]

I'm doing that.

[Tamara Judge]

Busy.

[Todd Chrisley]

Yeah.

[Julie Chrisley]

Yeah. So we're so happy. A lot of time to catch up. 28 months. That's a long time to be away.

[Todd Chrisley]

And then the family, we start filming our reality show towards the second part of the year.

[Tamara Judge]

Do you know when it'll be out?

[Todd Chrisley]

Well, you know, production, so, you know, 27. I would say that it's probably going to be the first part of 27.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, I got to believe they filmed you coming out of jail.

[Todd Chrisley]

Yes. I'm sorry, that's already aired that part. So.

[Tamara Judge]

That already aired.

[Todd Chrisley]

That aired. That aired on the documentary that we did for Lifetime.

[Tamara Judge]

I didn't see it. Now I have to watch that.

[Todd Chrisley]

And so that aired.

[Julie Chrisley]

So the. The kids and. And our parents Were already. They. They were filming. They were at the tail end of filming when. When we received our pardon. So literally, when we pulled into the garage, we filmed. Like, the first time I saw Todd, the whole bit, it was.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Falling my eyes out. Todd got gray hair.

[Todd Chrisley]

I do. But I was good with it. And I. And Julie was like, I like it. I like it. And I said, yeah, okay, well, good. I said I had to. I had to look at it for the last year, so I'm not looking

[Tamara Judge]

at it right now. I know. Yeah. Yeah, I get that. Now you're talking about being pardoned. So Savannah worked her booty off to get you.

[Todd Chrisley]

You know, Savannah was a fearless and tireless warrior for her family, and it was hard to watch your child have to do. Go through all of that.

[Julie Chrisley]

Yeah.

[Todd Chrisley]

You know, to be the one that's kind of leading the family at this point, and. But she is just such a good, decent, kind human being, and there were moments that she had that I could tell that it was wearing on her. I can imagine, you know, that I want them home so bad. I don't know what the next steps are. And the day she found out she was coming out of Sam's with Grayson, buying stuff for him for his college dorm.

[Tamara Judge]

I have chills.

[Julie Chrisley]

Yeah. Yeah. Like, she had no idea. They were. They were. They were walking in.

[Todd Chrisley]

Walking in.

[Julie Chrisley]

They were walking into Sam's. She runs back to the car because she literally gets his call and says, the president would like to speak to you. And they run back to the car, and she's freaking out, but had no idea that it was coming when it did. So it was amazing.

[Todd Chrisley]

You know, I remember. I remember the day that it happened. I was coming back from the library. I'd gone to email her, and a staff member stopped me and said, man, congratulations. I said, for what? And he goes, you're going home. And I said, I know. I'm going home at some point. And he goes, no, you just got pardoned.

[Tamara Judge]

What'd you do to your knees?

[Todd Chrisley]

I didn't know what to say because I didn't know if it was true.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, true.

[Todd Chrisley]

And so then as I walked into my dorm, I saw this other guy, Mr. Mamala, who was the unit team manager. I saw him walking down the hallway, and he goes, can you come to my office?

[Narrator (6th Bureau Podcast)]

And.

[Todd Chrisley]

And so I went to his office, and he goes, we need you to go ahead and start clearing out your locker.

[Tamara Judge]

You're like, you can have it all.

[Todd Chrisley]

Oh, I gave all my shit away to my. To my kids. It was there. I had kids that were there that. That had nothing. And I gave them everything that I had, and I walked out of there with a notebook.

[Tamara Judge]

You've been a little vocal about making friends while you're away and helping moving forward. Like, there's people in there that are innocent.

[Todd Chrisley]

Yes.

[Tamara Judge]

And we have, you know, Emily on our show, who works with the Innocent Project that works with these people that have been incarcerated and come out and have nothing to know where to go, and all these things raise money. Is that something kind of like what you're doing for.

[Todd Chrisley]

I actually work alongside the director, Billy Marshall with the Bureau of Prisons. He's the director. And I work with Josh Smith, who is the deputy director, and Rick Stover, who is over fsa, which stands for the First Step act that President Trump signed in 2018. And the first Step Act, Tamra, works and is a great thing because it allows you to reduce your sentence by 50% as long as you're programming, educating yourself, you know, doing things. But under the Biden administration, they were not doing it just because it was a Trump agenda. And now, since Billy Marshall has taken over the BOP and President Trump and Jerry Kushner have are. They're back to the First Step Act. So many men and women that should have already been gone, Tamra. They should have already been out of there with. Back with their families, some of them for over a year. They've been there over a year longer than what they should have been there for.

[Julie Chrisley]

So take out. Not even, like, okay, they. They were convicted of a crime. They did the time that they were supposed to do. So it's not even more so that, okay, these people are innocent necessarily, but just that they've done the time that they were supposed to do under the law, but it wasn't being implemented. So I think that's really what Todd's focused on, to try to bring these. These people home. Because, I mean, even a day longer than what you have to stay there is too much, you know, if you've done the time that you're supposed to do.

[Todd Chrisley]

And, you know, we came home on May 28, and my goal was to get 100 men home by Christmas time, and I fell short by three. I got 97 home still.

[Tamara Judge]

That's amazing.

[Todd Chrisley]

And now it's up to 111. So. And that is by the grace of God and the fact that I know how to do math. And, you know, you have these people that are employed by the Bureau of Prisons. And I've said it, I've been very vocal about it. I mean, it's just a. It's just a clown car. I mean, it's a cast of window lickers that work there. And they don't know whether to scratch or watch or wind their ass. And they're government workers. They take advantage of that because they feel like that they're part of a union. They can't be fired, so therefore they don't have to do anything. And then they want to treat you like garbage. And I didn't have that because they knew that we had a voice that was much bigger than theirs, and they didn't want that out there. You had a couple that tried, but when I sent that information to Savannah and she talked about it on her podcast and the inspector general got involved, they stayed away from me, but I watched the abuse to Latinos are non speaking, non English speaking, you know, citizens here and people of color. I watched how they were treated so differently. And Tamara, I just can't explain it to you other than just to say that these 28 months were not the worst 28 months of my life. Because God allowed me to see what the mission was. And once I know what the mission is, then I'm good.

[Tamara Judge]

I was going to ask you that. So why do you think this happened to you? Because to this day, you say, I am innocent. I did not do this. Why do you think this happened to you? And what was the good that you can take out of it?

[Todd Chrisley]

Well, we know why it happened because it's now come out since we got home. There's an investigation into our case.

[Tamara Judge]

Good.

[Todd Chrisley]

It's now been referred over to the FBI, and the inspector general released a report that said the Chrisley's were targeted due to their. And I'm quoting, and we can send you this. So you have it. The inspector general said the Chrisleys were targeted due to their celebrity status.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Todd Chrisley]

So we know now. We know why it happened. But what our enemies thought they were going to form against us, to destroy us, actually has made us stronger. And that's what those people should be concerned with.

[Tamara Judge]

Do you think your business partner should be in jail?

[Todd Chrisley]

No, I think he should be six feet under so I could stomp him two feet more than that. But he's now being investigated for lying under oath for committing perjury in a federal trial. So, you know, it's. I look at these 28 months, Tamara, and it was horrible to be away from Julie and horrible to be away from my children and my mother, because Julie and I had never been away from Each other. That's the first time we'd ever been away from each other or from our children.

[Tamara Judge]

And what a horrible way to be away.

[Julie Chrisley]

Yes. Yes, for sure.

[Todd Chrisley]

But, Tamara, it is a horrible thing to be away, but it was not. Julie and I did not do hard time. We were in a camp, right? You know, I was at a. I was at a. An air force base, and I was wearing a uniform every day. And yes, it was bad because you're contained. You cannot leave. But had I wanted to walk out the gates, I could because I wasn't surrounded like in a prison. I. I try to focus when people say, oh, you had it so bad. No, I didn't. And the reason that I say that is because of all of the men and women that have truly had it bad.

[Julie Chrisley]

Yeah, well, you didn't have it great.

[Tamara Judge]

You could have had it worse.

[Todd Chrisley]

I could have had it way worse and had it better. But I look at what so many other people have gone through and that are still going through today that I now know what my mission is. I know what my purpose in life is. And my goal is to make sure, even if you did it, even if you're guilty of the crime that you're there for, we, as the United States of America, the most powerful nation on earth, we should be lifting our brothers and sisters up. We should be giving them a hand up, not stomping while they're down.

[Narrator (6th Bureau Podcast)]

Right.

[Todd Chrisley]

And we should not be judging people based on their lack of ability to speak the English language. We should not be beating people down because of their skin color. I mean, I'm 57 years old. I think that racism is worse today than it was when I was growing up.

[Julie Chrisley]

Wow. And that's sad, and it's bad. In the prison.

[Narrator (6th Bureau Podcast)]

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[Todd Chrisley]

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[Todd Chrisley]

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[Tamara Judge]

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[Todd Chrisley]

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[Tamara Judge]

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[Todd Chrisley]

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[Narrator (6th Bureau Podcast)]

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[Tamara Judge]

Now. Julie, you said you had worse time in prison. I remember reading things about you were having health issues. Maybe you were transferred to a different facility at one point.

[Julie Chrisley]

Well, no, not. That was kind of a miss. Whatever.

[Todd Chrisley]

That was the way the press gets it wrong.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Happens often.

[Julie Chrisley]

Yeah. I was in Kentucky in a women's prison. In a women's prison camp. The men's facility that was adjacent to us, it was a medical facility. But the women, they were not.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, gotcha.

[Julie Chrisley]

Medical care is not great at all. Where I was was just extremely old. The building had no heat, no air. It had no air. We did have semi heat, I will say, but no air. And it was just very old. It was, it was just the. My conditions were worse than where. Where he was. You know, I. I also had to go through a transit process when I won my appeal, which was horrible because that you are treated like you are in jail. You're in. You're in jail. There is a real Con Air airplane that you are on. So yeah, it was. That was 52 days. And that was horrible. I mean, it was horrible. I was out in a county jail in the middle of Oklahoma, one in Atlanta. It was crazy.

[Tamara Judge]

How did you deal with just mental health issues? Because as a mother, I think it's maybe might be a little bit easier for men. They're a little bit stronger. They're supposed to be that, you know, you're taken away from your children, you're isolated. Like, I just feel like I know myself. I would just be in the deepest, darkest depression of my life.

[Julie Chrisley]

Right. You know, I think because it's something that we had dealt with for so long because this all started back in like 2012.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Julie Chrisley]

And so I think the moment that I walked through those doors, it was almost a relief because it was like, okay, this is. I know I have to do this, get it over with amount of time. This is the beginning of the end. And I. That's how I lived in there every day. And I was able to see my kids. I was Able to see my parents because I was only a three and a half hour drive from it, from that, which was nice. So that was good. But to say there weren't hard days. Absolutely, there were hard days, you know, imagine.

[Tamara Judge]

But.

[Julie Chrisley]

But you, you know, you do realize that you. There are so many that have it so much worse, you know, because for sure, people, their families have turned their back on and their kids have turned their back, you know, so I really had nothing to complain about when it came to that at all.

[Tamara Judge]

Your. Yeah. Your presidential pardon did not come without backlash. People went after Savannah. People were saying some crude things that she did to make this happen. Did you guys get a lot of backlash? Like, if you're out and about, do you know?

[Julie Chrisley]

No, not really. And you know what? I think our backlash, and I don't think I. I feel this, that our backlash was not really that we got a pardon. It was more so that we were pardoned by President Trump.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Julie Chrisley]

You know, it's more so the people that have their feelings about President Trump. It was that I. I've had people come up to me all the time and say, I, I don't like President Trump. I don't. I'm not. I'm not a Republican. I don't vote this way. But I'm glad that you're out. I mean, I've really had people say that.

[Todd Chrisley]

We've received thousands of messages.

[Julie Chrisley]

The backlash are more so that it's not really about us at all. It's about the fact you guys were

[Tamara Judge]

American sweetheart couple, you know, and it was just so difficult to see. And you know who I really felt bad for? Your mom? Todd. Like, I just, you know, she's older. This is hard.

[Todd Chrisley]

It was devastating for my mother because. Not just because. Because my mother's with us every day.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Todd Chrisley]

And it wasn't just because I was. No mother wants to see their child go to prison. But it was like my mother was giving up two of her children because she has such a relationship with Julie.

[Narrator (6th Bureau Podcast)]

That.

[Todd Chrisley]

And I'm grateful to be able to say this. I'm not offended in the least. Julie has a. My mother loves Julie more than anyone else in the world.

[Tamara Judge]

My mom likes Eddie better, too. Just. Just in case. Makes you feel better. Yeah.

[Todd Chrisley]

And, you know, and Julie does everything for my mother, and so that was hard on her. But again, we learned so many lessons from this, and we got to see each other from a different perspective, and we got to see how strong we all truly are. Even if we're separated, the strength is still There.

[Julie Chrisley]

Yeah.

[Todd Chrisley]

And that's a wonderful thing. You have children and you know that you want. You want to know, you start thinking out now, are my kids going to be okay when I. When I die? Well, this was kind of like a death because we were removed. Yes. Least now we can see that our kids are going to survive and thrive even after God decides to call us home.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. I feel like with Savannah, there's got to be long term trauma for her having you guys gone and then having to hold down the fort and make the money and, you know, deal with the. The younger kids and things like that. Like, that's got to be really difficult

[Todd Chrisley]

for her, you know, it absolutely is. You know, Savannah is very good at compartmentalizing. I'm very good at that. And, you know, when we have something that's bad, Savannah and I tend to put it away. And, you know, in our minds, we've dealt with it. We just shove it away. And then it creeps back in.

[Tamara Judge]

58 years old and just started therapy

[Todd Chrisley]

and, you know, Julie's not of that same. Judah's not that same way. Julie wants to kind of like, dig deep down and get this all resolved. And let's talk about this. I. I was never that way. You know, I did want to talk about everything, and I wanted to get to the bottom of it, but once in my mind I had reconciled that I was at the bottom of it. I'm not talking about it anymore.

[Tamara Judge]

That's how I am.

[Todd Chrisley]

You know, Savannah, you know, when you talk about the pardon, Tamra, it was so disconcerting because the whole world, you know, if. Whether you're a Democrat or you're a Republican.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Todd Chrisley]

The Democrat side wants to say, you know, that you're pro women, you're pro woman, but yet it was women that was tearing her down. And at the end of the day, you know, for. For you to attack a young girl who has done nothing but be kind and generous to everyone in her life.

[Tamara Judge]

She's a sweetie.

[Todd Chrisley]

And then to go on talk shows and say, wonder what she did to get those pardons.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, it's all political. And you know, where we're at in the world right now, you know, we're really split. And people on social media are horrible.

[Todd Chrisley]

Yes.

[Tamara Judge]

And there's horrible things happening in our world right now. So it's. It's a difficult thing.

[Todd Chrisley]

Right.

[Julie Chrisley]

Yeah.

[Todd Chrisley]

And, you know, Tamara, I get asked all the time, you know, Todd, you're in. You're in Hollywood. You're, you know. No, we're not. We're in Nashville, you know, so I have a lot of friends and people that I do business with in Hollywood. I do. And you and I share a lot of the same contacts and things. And I love my. I love my friends that are on television and doing other things. But we all don't share the same political beliefs.

[Tamara Judge]

No.

[Todd Chrisley]

And that's okay.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't share them with my own family. Like, you know, everybody is entitled to their own belief.

[Todd Chrisley]

That's right.

[Julie Chrisley]

And it's like I said, and we

[Todd Chrisley]

have to respect that.

[Julie Chrisley]

I was, we were both in prison with every kind of person that you can possibly imagine. But there is not one person that we, either of us were in prison with that were all that if they had been offered a pardon, I don't give a damn who they voted for or who they like, they would have accepted, accepted it and said, thank you. Absolutely.

[Tamara Judge]

I tell that to people like housewives and stuff. They're like, these people are coming after me on social media. It's so mean. I don't have to take it. I go, do you really think that they wouldn't trade places with you right now?

[Todd Chrisley]

Right. Exactly.

[Tamara Judge]

Shut up. Just shut your mouth. But thank you guys so much. I am so happy to see you face to face. You know, I love you guys. I love your family and you guys. If you haven't tuned in to Mass Singer, you gotta tune in.

[Todd Chrisley]

Tamara, thank you so much. God bless. We love you.

[Tamara Judge]

Yes, we love you. Okay, bye, guys.

[Todd Chrisley]

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