Too Much Tabouleh! (The Valley: Persian Style Recap)

Summary

Two Ts in a Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge

Episode: "Too Much Tabouleh! (The Valley: Persian Style Recap)"

Date: January 25, 2026

Episode Overview

In this episode, Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge dive into Season 1, Episode 4 of Bravo’s "The Valley," focusing on the Persian-style group dynamics, personal drama, and the latest cast developments. The hosts break down new relationships, family issues, memorable show moments, and behind-the-scenes speculation, all with their signature playful Housewives-insider banter. Their discussion is rich with personal anecdotes, Bravo deep cuts, and a critical yet lighthearted tone.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Housewives Social Media Drama (03:02–05:11)

• Instagram Rumors:
  The episode kicks off with Teddi referencing social media buzz about Portia allegedly unfollowing Vicki, fueling fan speculation.

  "Rumor has it that Porsche unfollowed Vicki and that's what her...her rant was about. But apparently she never followed Vicki, right?" – Teddi (03:17)

  Tamra clarifies, after direct checking, that there was never a follow to begin with.

  "Let's just put it that way. I go to Portia, follow Vicki. Nope, don't think so." – Tamra (04:24)

• Podcast Connections:
  Portia follows Tamra but not Teddi, highlighting Bravo-lebrity hierarchies and alliances.

  “She started following me after the podcast. We had her on the podcast last year." – Tamra (04:32)

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2. Housewives Crossover & Girl’s Trip Casting (05:11–06:16)

• Debate over why a Miami Housewife isn’t on the new ultimate girls trip:

  • Teddi and Tamra theorize it’s because Miami is filming, but after Tamra checks with Marisol, she learns that's not true.
  • Alexia is their consensus pick if casting from Miami.

  "That would make me feel so bad if we're the only franchise that didn't get." – Tamra (05:48)
  "Miami has to be filming because they're going to Miami." – Teddi (05:24)

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3. "The Valley" Episode 4 Persian Style Recap (06:29–30:03)

A. First Impressions and Cast Dynamics

• Cramped Vibes:
  Both hosts note that the show always feels physically cramped, whether it’s in houses or cars.

  "I feel like they're always cramped in small areas." – Teddi (06:55)

• Sky is Exhausting:
  Sky’s dramatic personality exhausts both hosts.

  “She's a little bit exhausting.” – Tamra (07:23)

B. Gigi, Dennis, and Vegas Marriage (07:29–08:53)

• Gigi’s marriage to Dennis is dissected. Tamra clarifies they were best friends for 13 years, not just a Vegas fling.

  "So now it makes more sense to me why she was so upset...You Married him for a week and then he ran off with one of your friends." – Tamra (07:43)

• Gigi's emotional volatility is acknowledged as “good TV.”

  "Gigi's ability to go through the entire range of emotions in 30 seconds is pretty impressive." – Teddi (07:29)

C. Dennis and Reality TV Thirst

• Dennis’s sudden reappearance seems suspicious:

  “Is Dennis coming around now? Because cameras are up and he's thirsty.” – Tamra (08:15) “I was for sure Dennis was not gonna have hair. And then he took his hat off...he's either gotten fresh plugs or he's got hair.” – Teddi (08:19)

D. Relationships and Missing Spouses

• Tommy’s Absence:
  The group questions why MJ’s husband Tommy never shows up.

  “It's a weird situation. People are seeing, I think, the demise of her marriage.” – Tamra (16:10) “Do you think Tommy should suck it up for the sake of his marriage to support his wife?” – Tamra (16:44) “I think it was...already over.” – Teddi (16:45)

• MJ’s protective stance towards Tommy is contrasted to other Housewives (like Dorit and PK).

  "She's more like Kyle. She's being...Trying to be supportive of her husband. When he says the stupid things he says to her, she just takes deep breath, nods her head and moves on." – Tamra (17:28)

E. Pot, Tabbouleh, and House Dynamics

• The Pot Confrontation:
  Sky’s confrontation with Gigi about smoking weed is discussed, with both hosts speculating that producers must have cut the confrontation short for drama at the reunion.

  “And why didn't Gigi go? You had hits off of it.” – Tamra (18:29) “They must have cut it.” – Teddi (18:28)

• Tabbouleh Running Gag:
  A lighthearted back-and-forth about Adam’s obsession with making tabbouleh recurs, inspiring the episode title.

  “I don't. It must be the best damn tabouli there is. We need him to make some for us.” – Teddi (19:12)

F. Real Estate, Finances, and Sky’s Bel Air Dream

• Sky’s wish for a Bel Air house for $2.5 million is bluntly critiqued.

  “She'll get a guest house.” – Tamra (21:43) “She's...that person that doesn't care what size of house or what house as long as it has the 9021 zip code.” – Tamra (22:22)

G. Friendship History and School Talk

• MJ and Reza's deep history (friends since Beverly Hills High) comes up.

  “I think Nick Cage went there, too.” – Teddi (23:03) "Bougie bitches. Bougie bitches." – Teddi (23:39)

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4. Medium Session and Emotional Healing (25:22–26:27)

• Tannen brings in a medium to the trip, prompting mixed feelings about production interference versus genuine healing.

  “She says Reza and Tannen's dads are speaking to them. She tells Amir that he is speaking to his first wife...she didn't mean to go when she did...she loves Natasha.” – Teddi (25:22)

  Debate as to whether the medium had inside info:

  “Tiffany is either really good or really tight with production.” – Teddi (25:52) “She was able to give him the family that she wanted to give him. It was sad.” – Tamra (26:27)

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5. Birthday Party Chaos & Dennis Drama (26:30–29:12)

• Dennis Arrives Uninvited:
  His appearance at Adam’s birthday party upsets cast and hosts alike.

  “Why? To cause drama? I'm happy he arrived.” – Tamra (26:38) “Did he drive home that night or did he cram into the house and sleep there too?” – Teddi (26:42)

• Reza Jackson's Failed Moonwalk:
  Hilarity ensues as a new cast member tries to show off MJ dance moves.

  “He couldn't even do, like, the moonwalk or anything.” – Tamra (27:10)

• Gigi Orchestrating Drama:
  Hosts note how Gigi controls the narrative and seems to enjoy stirring up conflict:

  "She is running the show and she talks about when she's bored...she wants action to happen." – Teddi (28:35)

• Weed Budget Shock:

  “She said she paid four grand a month.” – Tamra (28:56)

• Dennis and Gigi: Friends or More?:
  Both still question if their relationship was ever more than platonic, or manufactured for the cameras.

  “I still don't know if they were ever really together.” – Teddi (28:09)

• Intimates Line Plotting:
  Doubts are raised about business storylines being invented for on-screen drama.

  “Let's cause some problems and let's promote my Intimates line.” – Teddi (29:22)

• Birthday Party Cover Charge:
  Hosts lampoon Dennis’s $100 per guest birthday policy.

  “I'm gonna start doing that. Just inviting people over for lunch and then being like. And bring a hundred dollars.” – Teddi (29:48) “Can you vend me the hundred dollars, please? I take Zell, too.” – Tamra (29:53)

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6. Real Housewives Franchise Crossover Appeal (30:03–End)

• Both reflect that the Dennis storyline only resonates with longtime "Shahs of Sunset" fans:

  “For the people that didn't watch Shaws, this Dennis stuff isn't landing.” – Teddi (30:03)

• Audience engagement callouts (“Who should we get on next to interview?”).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Housewives drama:

  “We are not the same.” – Teddi (03:34)

• On house size and real estate:

  “You have a 3% interest rate...and your realtor says, yes, do it. Don't use them.” – Tamra (21:57)

• On Gigi’s TV skills:

  “Gigi's ability to go through the entire range of emotions in 30 seconds is pretty impressive.” – Teddi (07:29)

• On the medium’s appearance:

  “If I was Kyle, I would never talk to a medium again. Allison Dubois. That was it.” – Teddi (15:05)

• On friendships through the years:

  “Bougie bitches. Bougie bitches.” – Teddi (23:39)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Housewives Drama & Social Media – 03:02–05:11
• Girls Trip & Miami Absence – 05:11–06:16
• Valley Recap Intro – 06:29
• Gigi/Dennis Vegas Story – 07:29–08:53
• MJ, Tommy, and Marital Struggles – 16:10–17:52
• Sky vs Gigi Weed Fight – 18:06–19:36
• Medium Session – 25:22–26:27
• Adam's Birthday & Dennis Crash – 26:30–29:12
• Crossover Reflection & Audience Invites – 30:03–30:23

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Overall Tone & Takeaway

Teddi and Tamra deliver their recap with humor, directness, and plenty of Bravo-insider dish. They balance genuine empathy for the cast’s real-life struggles with irreverent commentary, poking fun at real estate dreams, manufactured drama, and reality TV tropes. Longtime Bravo fans and newcomers alike get both incisive commentary and who’s-who context, with plenty of quotable banter.

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This summary covers all major segment discussions, with timecodes and attributions to keep both new and returning listeners in the loop.

Transcript

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[Teddy Mellencamp]

Mellencamp and Tamara Judge. We're back for another episode of Two Teas in a Pod with myself, Teddy Mellencamp, and Tamara Judge. And this just the. The news. By the news, I mean Instagram that. Rumor has it that Porsche unfollowed Vicki and that's what her. Her rant was about. But apparently she never followed Vicki, right?

[Tamara Judge]

No, I don't believe she did.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Before you with me, remember, you call people to handle things. People call me to handle things. We are not the same.

[Tamara Judge]

And then she cap captioned it, don't make me call Portia. And I think that is an iconic line from their show. I think maybe Nene or somebody said that. Yeah, Nene said it to her, too. Just don't make me call Portia. So it leads everybody to believe that something went down. But I thought it was really funny that everybody was instantly blaming Vicki. It had to been Vicki. It had to be Vicki. And I'm like, oh, my God. And then it came out that Portia unfollowed Vicki. But I don't think she ever followed because I reached out to her social media. I reached out to her assistant. Let's just put it that way. I go to Portia, follow Vicki. Nope, don't think so.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I wonder, does Portia follow us?

[Tamara Judge]

She started following me after the podcast. We had her on the podcast last year.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

She doesn't follow me.

[Tamara Judge]

She's so nice. I always say she's the girl. She's a girl's girl.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And I was saying I was so bummed about Traders.

[Tamara Judge]

I know. What did she say? Did you give any dirt?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

No, the only thing she said was, yeah, but the guy got it. What he was come. You know what was coming for him because now they're gunning for him every week. Yeah, that's for sitting at home.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, that happens. Yeah, it happens. But, oh, I'm dying to know what's going on on that girl's trip.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I know. I think it's going to be a fun one. I mean, so many different cities, so many different big personalities.

[Tamara Judge]

I still don't understand why they don't have somebody from Miami.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Miami has to Be filming because they're going to Miami.

[Tamara Judge]

I asked. I reached out to Marisol and I said, are you guys filming? Is that why nobody from your city is on? And she said, nope, haven't even heard. I mean, I'm not saying they're. From what I've heard, they have Miami girls involved, but nobody on the main cast.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, they're not part of, like, the top seven or whatever.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, that would make me feel so bad if we're the only franchise that didn't get.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Because they were around a long time ago, too.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. And they've been around for a while now. They're back on the air for a while. I thought for sure it was because they were filming.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I thought it was because they were filming also.

[Tamara Judge]

Nope.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Who do you think they should have had if they were to have somebody from Miami?

[Tamara Judge]

Alexia. Yeah, that's what I think.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And Alexia and Teresa are close because, remember, they were on the best friends with us at BravoCon.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, that's true.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

It was really nice yesterday, too.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

But, okay, we gotta. We gotta recap. The Valley Persian Style Season one, Episode four.

[Tamara Judge]

Are you enjoying this? It's hard. It's hard when there's a lot of new people at first. I don't know. It's great.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I mean, I'm getting more into it. Like, I'm more invested in the storylines, but I also. I kind of feel cramped no matter where I'm watching it.

[Tamara Judge]

What do you mean?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Like, I feel like they're always cramped in small areas.

[Tamara Judge]

That's what I'm saying. Like, that's why I asked Reza, like, about the couple that got the Porsche. Yeah. I'm like, they're cramped in this little teen time kitchen, but then they got like, a $200,000.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. I mean, even the trip, like, they felt, like cramped in there. Even in the car driving, when what's her name wanted to stop at Erewhon Foreign.

[Tamara Judge]

She's exhausting. Sky. Right, Sky. Yeah, she's a little bit exhausting.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, first it starts out with Gigi calms down and says she wants to talk about business with Dennis and nothing else. Gigi's ability to go through the entire range of emotions in 30 seconds is pretty impressive.

[Tamara Judge]

She is impressive. She's good TV. So Dennis and Gigi have been friends, best friends, for 13 years. So it wasn't just some random guy that she married in Vegas. So now it makes more sense to me why she was so upset because I'm like, why are you so upset? You met this guy. You Married him for a week and then he ran off with one of your friends.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

But also, I'm still confused. Like, were they doing it?

[Tamara Judge]

Well, they did for a week. Maybe. I don't know. I have no idea.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Friends that got married, Best friends.

[Tamara Judge]

But is Dennis coming around now? Because cameras are up and he's thirsty.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yes. And I was for sure Dennis was not gonna have hair. And then he took his hat off and I was like, nope, he's either gotten fresh plugs or he's got hair.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh my God.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Because you know when guys wear their hats a certain way, they always pull them off and they don't have hair.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Well, Reza did say in the interview that he does love the camera. So there's something really weird. And you even asked Reza, like, isn't it weird that Dennis is all of a sudden coming around?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I mean, the fact that we'll get to it, but the fact that he came on this trip, I cannot.

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[Teddy Mellencamp]

So then Amir brings up the idea of a medium to Natasha. Natasha wants Amir to go on his own and thinks it would be better without her.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, I don't blame her.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I mean, I don't either.

[Tamara Judge]

He's still clearly very hurt, devastated about the loss of his wife. It's got to be hard. I don't know how soon he remarried, but it's got to be hard on that, the new wife. And she's not that new because they have three kids together, right?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, but it's. You know, when you lose somebody in a tragic way and. Oh, yeah, it's a different type of ending.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. But they seem very much in love. They seem very happy, you know, and we'll.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

They seem like a team.

[Tamara Judge]

Yes. And as we go on, we'll talk about what was said.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

What about how there was a medium on both Beverly Hills.

[Tamara Judge]

Just going to say that.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

The Valley. This.

[Tamara Judge]

I know. It's always good to have a medium on there to stir things up, tell somebody something they don't want to hear. And I love the flashback on Beverly Hills of that medium. What was her name? The one smoking the electronic cigarette.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, yeah. I forget what.

[Tamara Judge]

Way back when.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Dinner party from hell.

[Tamara Judge]

Dinner party from hell. If I was Kyle, I would never talk to a medium again. Allison Dubois. That was it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Camille always claims that that's not how Allison Dubois actually is.

[Tamara Judge]

People are different on camera. Sometimes they are.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Sometimes people think they just have to bring it when they come on. And she was drunk. That was for sure. Whatever. She made great TV.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

She did. We're still talking about it 15 years later.

[Tamara Judge]

I know. Do you think she really knew something with Kyle and Mauricio's marriage, or do you just think, like, let's just roll the dice. It's a 50. 50 people get divorced.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Let's just roll the dice.

[Tamara Judge]

That's what I think.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Speculation around here.

[Tamara Judge]

And I know I'll get thrown up there 10 years later, 15 years later,

[Teddy Mellencamp]

somehow, some way, somebody's gonna give me Mike. Well, I love.

[Tamara Judge]

Now people are. People are actually saying, like, listen, mj, where's Tommy? You know, Gigi's asking, where's Tommy? We haven't seen him in so long because nobody's really talking about Tommy. He just doesn't show up and drops her off. And, you know, it's just weird. It's a weird situation. People are seeing the. I think, the demise of her marriage.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, MJ tells him that Tommy won't be coming at all to Palm Springs.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, duh. He hasn't been to anything.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. Nothing.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. And, I mean, you can tell that starting to weigh on her. And it's definitely the other people, you know, on the cast are starting to question it, like, where is he?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

But do you think that when they signed on, he originally said he was going to be on it?

[Tamara Judge]

Probably. Well, we have seen him on, you know, at the home scenes and things like that. Do you think that Tommy should suck it up for the sake of his marriage to support his wife?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, I think, but I think it was. It's already over.

[Tamara Judge]

Do you think that they knew it was over when they started filming? I don't think Tommy did. No, I don't think they did. I think it just.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I don't think they did.

[Tamara Judge]

You know, like every other reality show, if you're on shaky ground and things aren't good, this will be a demise of your marriage.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. Like if. And especially if you're living separate lives.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, they sleep together.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

They sleep in the same bed. But that's not everything. Right. There's more to a marriage than just that, I guess. But I feel bad for MJ because she. You can tell she wants him there.

[Tamara Judge]

I know. I mean, she's good at protecting him and not saying bad things. Like when we were talking about Beverly Hills, how Dorit talks about PK like, she is the total opposite. She's more like Kyle. She's being. Trying to be supportive of her husband. When he says the stupid things he says to her, she just takes deep breath, nods her head and moves on. Like she doesn't throw him under the bus in any way.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

No. And she makes sure to kind of let things roll off her back that I don't think anybody else could do that right now.

[Tamara Judge]

Now, knowing what Reza told us about the smoking with sky smoking the pot, Gigi's pot, at her house. And now watching the scene where, you know, they arrive at Palm Springs and then sky confronts Gigi about her pot smoking in the house, I'm like, shut up, shut up, shut up. And why didn't Gigi go? You had hits off of it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

They must have cut it. They must have cut it.

[Tamara Judge]

But, yeah, they must Have.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Because there was no fights.

[Tamara Judge]

And by the way, that's what they do. So when you go to the reunion, you have something to argue about.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, because it didn't even make any sense. And plus, like, why did they have to go out? Well, because they were so crammed in that little place, but they had to go outside and sit on the little swing that was next to the car that was next to the. It seemed snug, like them sitting around the kitchen table.

[Tamara Judge]

Adam's like, I gotta bring my utensils. I gotta make the tabbouleh.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, my God, did he make the tabbouleh?

[Tamara Judge]

I don't know, but don't you ever get sick of it?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I don't. It must be the best damn tabouli there is. We need him to make some for us.

[Tamara Judge]

I want some.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

But then, you know, as soon as they arrive at the home for Tannen's Palm Springs trip. I almost forgot it was Tannen's Palm Springs trip.

[Tamara Judge]

I know, I know. Then she has the medium she hires. She lets everybody know she has hired a medium to come.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, but I kind of. It almost felt like a dig at Amira. Natasha.

[Tamara Judge]

Why? What do you mean?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Because they already had talked about how they. With the group. They had already talked about how they were wanting to wait and do it separately.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, yeah. Huh. I don't know. I. Tannen doesn't strike me as the person that would make a dig. Now, sky, on the other hand, she would do things on purpose just to annoy you. Her husband's starting to annoy me. He's starting to act just like her.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, you start to understand their relationship more like that. First you thought it was just her. Now it's like they're both of them. They're just a pain in the ass.

[Tamara Judge]

Complain, complain, complain, complain.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, there's nothing.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, my God, it's, like, so negative in that household.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, also, even when the, like, the conversation happened and sky confronts Gigi about pot smoking at her house, I think she wanted Gigi to blow up.

[Tamara Judge]

And she didn't.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And she didn't. All she got was, like, secondhand smoke.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, she apologized to sky, and Sky's like, that wasn't on my bingo card.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

She almost looked disappointed. Huh?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Like Gigi didn't fight back. Shit. I was going to have a moment here.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I know. She wants everybody to fight with her, and there's a part of me that thinks I know her.

[Tamara Judge]

Really?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. I don't know why I feel like we used to do this Workout class together. But now it's, like, driving me crazy. And I don't know how I would figure out if I do know her.

[Tamara Judge]

Like, how long ago? A long, long time ago.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

A couple years ago. Oh. Like, my friend Melissa did this workout in her home, and I feel like she was there, but I, you know, I haven't put in the effort to research this, but.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, you know, five years ago, her husband made her move to the Valley, and she's trying to get out of it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

How does she think she's going to get a house in bel Air for $2.5 million?

[Tamara Judge]

Is that what she wants to spend in Bel Air? She'll get a guest house.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

That's what I mean. That's what she was saying. She's. When she was talking about how. When Reza was saying, just stay where

[Tamara Judge]

you are because your interest rate's low. Yeah, that's good advice.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Rates low.

[Tamara Judge]

You know, if you guys. If you have a 3% interest rate on your house and you're thinking about selling it and your realtor says, yes, do it. Don't use them.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, but no, she's like, well, I want to put $2.5 million down. And he's like, she wants to put 2.5 down or that's what she wants. She wants to pay 2.5 million. And he's like, well, then you're going to have to buy a complete fixer upper and spend another million to fix it up.

[Tamara Judge]

I think she's kind of that person that doesn't care what size of house or what house as long as it has the 9021 zip code. Maybe.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, yeah. And. But I don't know, it also confuses me how sky and Tannin are this close of friends.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't know. I don't know. Did you realize that MJ and Reza have been friends since high school? And we got that little high school flashback. They both went to Beverly Hills High School.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I know. I think Nick Cage went there, too.

[Tamara Judge]

Really?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. I wonder around the same time.

[Tamara Judge]

Now, do your friends. Kids. Oh, they're probably too young. Go to Beverly Hills High School? Do your friends have their kids that go there? Beverly Hills High School. Is it public?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Is it like a school, like, because I know in Beverly Hills, like, they're very particular about the schools that their kids go to. A lot of them are private. Are they like, yeah, go to Beverly Hills High School.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Are they like, No, I think most of the. Most of the people here go to one of the privates, like in Brentwood or.

[Tamara Judge]

That's what I figured.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. Bougie, Bougie, Bougie, Bougie bitches. Bougie bitches. So then once again, MJ talks to Reza about Tommy, and Reza says he avoids Tommy so that he doesn't trigger him.

[Tamara Judge]

Reza said some nasty things to MJ when they got into a fight, and

[Teddy Mellencamp]

so he was projecting. He's protecting mj.

[Tamara Judge]

He's protecting mj. He's like, I just. And I get it. Like, you know, Eddie's a little bit like that, too. A lot like that. Where it's like, you, me over and you say mean things to me. I'm done. I don't want to be around you. I mean, but this is a unique situation where they're on a show together. So I think that there's going to be a time or there needs to be a time on the show where Tommy does show up at something. We should. They should have asked the medium that. That's what MJ should have said. Well, my husband ever, ever be around these girls.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I mean, even when he's on the phone and she's like, you know, I kind of wish you were here. He's just like, oh, I'm just going to be here taking care of my kid. Yeah, I gotta go. Love you. Love you so much, though. Love you. But mean it.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, yeah, but when you're Talking about when MJ calls Tommy FaceTimes him or whatever, I mean, he ignores her question. Totally, Totally. It's just a subtle way of him throwing a dick at mj. My son. I'm with my son.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. Making her feel bad for not being.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. And I hate when people do that. Like my. No, it's our son. Yeah, it's annoying.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

It's annoying.

[Tamara Judge]

Then the group goes out for Adam's birthday party. Now, this restaurant is supposed to be the restaurant. Hold on.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Before the birthday party, we got to talk about the medium, what they all. What said about everybody. She says Reza and Tannen's dads are speaking to them. She tells Amir that he is speaking to his first wife. When she comes through, she says she is shy. She didn't mean to go when she did. She also comes through saying she loves Natasha. And think for a mirror. The way I felt about this is Tiffany is either really good or really tight with production.

[Tamara Judge]

You mean she's getting fed information? Yeah. I mean, if anything, I think it made Natasha feel good because she was very worried about this. Like, this could go in a bad way and set her husband off into, like, you Know, him being sad and depressed or saying, I don't like Natasha, get rid of her. And he might listen. But, you know, she. She basically said, supposedly, allegedly, that, you know, they have a great family and she was able to give him the family that she wanted to give him. It was sad.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

It was sad.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Then we can get out to the. To the birthday party.

[Tamara Judge]

The birthday party.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Birthday party. Dennis arrives.

[Tamara Judge]

Why? To cause drama? I'm happy he arrived.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I want to know, did he drive home that night or did he cram into the house and sleep there too?

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, my God. Did we talk about how. How Reza, the other Reza, changed his last name to Jackson after Michael Jackson?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, no. With the lean.

[Tamara Judge]

Something to lean. A lean machine. And he's dancing, and I'm like, okay, this guy's gonna, like, knock it out of the park. When they showed him dancing. No, he didn't.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

No. He said he could have done this without the machine.

[Tamara Judge]

He couldn't even do, like, the moonwalk or anything.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I have a hard time feeling like he's like this playboy Casanova that they're trying to put him out to be.

[Tamara Judge]

I agree with that. But how upset was. And what's his name? Rj. Is that what they're calling him?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Rj.

[Tamara Judge]

Rj. That Dennis showed up. He's like, oh, man, I know some fun with Gigi tonight.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Rez's husband.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, nobody likes him. I mean, even Gigi says she's enjoying MJ coming for Dennis because it's a fu. To Dennis.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

So did she want him to come just so she could, like, essentially have people. Yeah. Fight with Dennis?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Yeah. She's not with them now, is she? Do we know?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I don't know.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, Instagram.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I still don't know if they were ever really together.

[Tamara Judge]

I think they were really good friends. And then she ended up just marrying him because she was hurt.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. And then she got hurt even worse.

[Tamara Judge]

And Adam's, like, pissed off because, you know, she didn't tell anybody. And this is Adam's birthday party, and Rose is, like, of all places to invite him to.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. Oh, no.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, Gigi is running the show.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

She is running the show, and she talks about when she's bored. She talks about when she wants action to happen. Like she did.

[Tamara Judge]

You see her? She had, like, five joints in her mouth. Maybe it was.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And I'm like, what are you doing?

[Tamara Judge]

Are you lighting them and handing them out? No wonder you spend four grand a month on weed.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, my God. Was that what it was?

[Tamara Judge]

That's what she said she paid four grand a month.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

That's a lot of money on weed.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, Dennis thinks, you know, everybody's pissed off that he's there, but Dennis thinks because Gigi's good with him that everybody else should be good with him.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And is Gigi actually good with him? Because it's kind of like this was, like a setup.

[Tamara Judge]

I think they're both in on this. I think they're like, come on the show.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Let's cause some problems and let's promote my Intimates line.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Now I need to know, did that business close down and now it's going to reopen?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I don't know.

[Tamara Judge]

And now that we know they need

[Teddy Mellencamp]

to be working on.

[Tamara Judge]

Must have closed down. And we. Now we know that he's loaded.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

He's loaded. But charging $100 for people to come to a party at his house?

[Tamara Judge]

So stupid.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I'm gonna start doing that. Just inviting people over for lunch and then being like. And bring a hundred dollars. Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Can you vend me the hundred dollars, please? I take Zell, too.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yep.

[Tamara Judge]

So that was it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I feel like for the people that didn't watch Shaws, this Dennis stuff isn't landing.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, I mean, I didn't watch it with the Dennis stuff. I watched Shaws in the very beginning, and then I lost interest, but yeah. Guys, tell us what you think. Are you liking the show?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Who should we get on next to interview?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Let us know.

[Tamara Judge]

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[Teddy Mellencamp]

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[Tamara Judge]

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[Teddy Mellencamp]

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[Tamara Judge]

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[Teddy Mellencamp]

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[Tamara Judge]

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[Teddy Mellencamp]

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