Two Jersey Js: Forever a Housewife?

Summary

Podcast Summary: Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge Episode: Two Jersey Js: Forever a Housewife? Release Date: May 22, 2025

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Introduction

In this episode of Two Ts In A Pod, hosts Teddi Mellencamp (Jackie Goldschneider) and Tamra Judge (Jen Fessler) dive deep into the ever-evolving landscape of the Real Housewives franchise. Joined by special guest Dave Quinn from People magazine, the trio discusses rumors of cast returns, the introduction of new city franchises, and the broader implications for reality TV.

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Current State of the Real Housewives Franchise

The conversation begins with Teddi and Tamra addressing the persistent rumors surrounding the Real Housewives series, specifically focusing on the potential return of Jersey cast members and the introduction of new cities like Rhode Island.

• Tamra: "There is a rumor going around that three people from Jersey are coming back and three newbies are joining them. I have been told that there's no truth to that rumor either." [12:28]

Dave Quinn corroborates these rumors, indicating that while casting discussions are ongoing, the network is currently focusing on expanding to new locations rather than renewing existing ones.

• Dave Quinn: "The network is not paying attention to it. They've put it over in the corner, and they're just sort of ignoring it for a while." [12:36]

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Challenges with Casting and Authenticity

A significant portion of the discussion centers on the authenticity of cast members and the challenges Bravo faces in maintaining genuine interactions among housewives.

• Teddi: "When all of these shows started, they were based around core groups of friends, where there was a dynamic there that was interesting in some capacity." [27:21]

They highlight how newer seasons have seen cast members who are either forced into roles or genuinely pretentious, diluting the original charm of the franchise.

• Tamra: "They're sort of cast to be friends. New York is a perfect example. ... They were all producing themselves. They were all pretending to be something they weren't." [27:21]

Dave adds that the need for continuous drama often leads to manufactured conflicts, making the shows feel less authentic.

• Dave Quinn: "There's pressure to have story, and that story forces people to put a lot of conflict forward." [24:48]

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Social Media Impact on Cast Members

The hosts and guest delve into the repercussions of social media on former housewives, emphasizing how their lives remain intertwined with the franchise even after their tenure.

• Tamra: "There's no escape for you all. You're forever a part of this franchise, whether you liked it or not. You signed up." [67:17]

They discuss the mental toll of constant public scrutiny and the challenges of maintaining personal identity outside the reality TV bubble.

• Teddi: "I signed off of Instagram when Finale was airing last year for a month, and it was really freeing." [65:29]

Dave shares his own experiences with stepping away from social media to preserve his mental well-being.

• Dave Quinn: "I've deleted all my social media and haven't been online in two years. It's lovely." [64:15]

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Guest Insights: Dave Quinn on the Franchise's Future

Dave Quinn provides insider perspectives on the future directions Bravo might take with the Real Housewives franchise, suggesting a shift towards more diverse and geographically varied cities.

• Dave Quinn: "I think they're trying to figure out what to do next. Rhode Island won't be the last new Housewives franchise on the way." [23:22]

He emphasizes the business aspect, noting that Bravo will continue to adapt based on ratings and audience engagement.

• Dave Quinn: "Ultimately, it’s business. If the ratings are dwindling and things are changing, I wouldn't be surprised if they just found newer cities." [61:32]

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Legacy and Personal Reflections

Towards the end of the episode, Teddi and Tamra reflect on the lasting impact of the franchise on their personal lives and the importance of legacy beyond reality TV.

• Teddi: "I believe my legacy is more about the eating disorder discussion rather than any dramatic moments on the show." [42:11]

• Dave Quinn: "At the end of the day, I'm proud of staying positive and kind despite everything." [67:28]

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Conclusion and Future Outlook

The episode wraps up with a hopeful outlook on the future of the Real Housewives franchise, acknowledging both its challenges and its enduring appeal. The hosts express excitement for upcoming seasons and new cast members, while also advocating for healthier boundaries and mental well-being for those involved in reality TV.

• Tamra: "I love my experience on the show. There have been moments, but I love the network and don't mind being associated with it." [67:26]

• Dave Quinn: "The world will always remember key moments, but it's important to focus on personal happiness and growth." [68:56]

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Notable Quotes

1. Tamra Judge: "You're forever a part of this franchise, whether you liked it or not. You signed up." [67:17]
2. Dave Quinn: "The network is not paying attention to it. They've put it over in the corner." [12:36]
3. Teddi Mellencamp: "When all of these shows started, they were based around core groups of friends, where there was a dynamic that was interesting." [27:21]
4. Dave Quinn: "Ultimately, it’s business. If the ratings are dwindling... newer cities." [61:32]

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Final Thoughts

In Two Ts In A Pod: Two Jersey Js: Forever a Housewife?, Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge offer a nuanced examination of the Real Housewives franchise's trajectory. With insightful commentary from Dave Quinn, the episode underscores the delicate balance between entertainment value and the personal well-being of reality TV participants. Listeners gain a comprehensive understanding of the franchise's past challenges and future possibilities, making this episode a must-listen for fans and newcomers alike.

Transcript

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[Jackie Goldschneider]

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[Jackie Goldschneider]

Hey, guys, it's Jackie Goldschneider and Jen Fessler. And we are two Jersey J's. And today we're talking housewives.

[Jen Fessler]

Yeah, I mean, Jack, we've talked about talking about housewives for a while and we, I know we've always, like, kind of tried to avoid it a little, just in the sense that, like, there are so many housewife podcasts. Right?

[Jackie Goldschneider]

Yeah.

[Jen Fessler]

We haven't really given.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

We're not recapping.

[Jen Fessler]

We're talking, like, we're definitely not recapping. You're right. That's true.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

No, but let me ask you a question. No, it's nice.

[Jen Fessler]

I'm glad that we're talking a little bit.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

Yeah, no, for sure. I mean, it's a big part of both of our lives. What kind of feeling do you get in your, like, gut when you open Instagram and there's a rumor about who's coming back and who's not? Does it affect you or do you feel sick to your stomach when you.

[Jen Fessler]

You'Re asking me how I feel now? It's very different than how I felt right when the show went off the air and things would come up then I actually, I took them seriously. But now, much less so, I mean, it's, it's because. Because it's just so constant, you know, it's like all of these speculations that I, and I, I just don't know. I don't, I don't really buy into it anymore. Do you?

[Jackie Goldschneider]

No. I mean, I do make a call to somebody who knows more than me and say, hey, is there any truth to this? And I do feel better when I know Jack. I call Anthony. Oh, yeah. I feel like Anthony knows enough people and he knows enough about everything. Anthony is Somebody that Jen and I are both very close with. Who knows? He's like a wizard. He knows everything.

[Jen Fessler]

Yeah. Knows everything about everything. Not just housewives.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

He's our publicist.

[Jen Fessler]

He is, like, the oldest young person I've ever known.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

The best. Just the best. But he will always be honest with me and tell me if there's truth to it or if there's no truth to it. But I used to care a lot more. Like, you're right. When the show went off the air, if I saw a rumor that, like, four people and my name wasn't on it, I'd be like, oh, God. And now it's sort of like, to be honest with you, I'm going to be totally honest. When there's a rumor that certain people are coming back, I don't know if that means that you and I are not coming back or we are, because I don't know if we'd be included in that list since we're friends.

[Jen Fessler]

Yeah. Just because we're not. Well, you.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

I always assume that it includes us.

[Jen Fessler]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

And that just makes me feel better.

[Jen Fessler]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Would you.

[Jen Fessler]

Let me ask you this? Like, does it depend on who gets recast, how you'd feel about it? Like, let's say we're not recast. Does it matter? Because I think it probably, unfortunately, thousand percent.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

If I wasn't coming back and I found out that four people who hate me are. Yeah. I'm not going to feel good about it. But if the people that I am close to and that I really, like, got cast and I didn't, but the people who hate me didn't get cast either. Yeah. I'd ride off into the sunset. I think.

[Jen Fessler]

I feel like, like, certain people will. It would never upset me, like, because they're iconic. So.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

Yeah. You know, like, if Melissa goes back and Teresa goes back, like, I don't. I don't care. They were on it way before I came along, and they'll be on it after I leave.

[Jen Fessler]

Yeah.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

I don't know, Jen. But as it looks right now, none of us. None of us are coming back anytime soon, so I don't think we have to worry about that. I think there's a lot of new shows coming up. We'll talk to our very special guest today about all of it. But there's a lot of new shows, and it just makes me feel like Jersey might be sitting out in the corner for a little while longer.

[Jen Fessler]

Yeah, no, I definitely think so. But for whatever reason, whoever talks about it always says, not this Year. Like, that's always the answer. Not this year. So does that mean 20, 26? I don't know.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

I don't know. I mean, do you talk to anyone from the network?

[Jen Fessler]

No, but, I mean, that's not really. No. Andy calls every week.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

Yeah, I did. I do speak to him once in a blue moon. I did a radio show, and he listened to it, and we spoke about that. But other than that, now I don't really bother the network. I'm not one of those. And I've never been. I've never been the person who called the network. I don't complain about the edit. I don't complain about anything. I'm really quiet, in fact, to the point where I reached out to one of our publicists, and I was like, should I be contacting the network about anything? And she was like, no, no, no. It's better when you don't.

[Jen Fessler]

Yeah, I don't think.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

I just don't.

[Jen Fessler]

I don't think I do either. I mean, I don't know.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

People say the squeaky wheel gets the.

[Jen Fessler]

Oil, but we kind of feel like.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

There'S a value in not being annoying. But. Yeah, so just, you know, I. I live with this thing in my gut where any day there could be a phone call saying, like, I'm like, thank you for your service. You're no longer needed. Or there could be one saying, hey, we're going to pick up cameras in November. And, like, they do that.

[Jen Fessler]

Do they call and say you're no longer needed? As opposed to just letting.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

Well, I mean, when I was demoted, I did get that phone call. Yeah.

[Jen Fessler]

I was still on the show.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

I mean, yes, I was still on the show, and it was a very nice phone call filled with, like, how valuable I still am to the show. But there was a phone call nonetheless. So I imagine that they wouldn't. Just a longtime cast member, they wouldn't just, like, invite everyone else back and, like, leave you guessing. I'm sure you would get a phone call.

[Jen Fessler]

Yeah.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

No, I mean, but who knows?

[Jen Fessler]

Who knows?

[Jackie Goldschneider]

But anyway, today's guest knows everything, literally everything. And, like, nothing is confirmed. Of course, he doesn't work for Bravo, but he. He's like the housewife whisperer.

[Jen Fessler]

Today's guest is that he really is, right? He's like. He really is most magnetic, kind.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

But you don't always associate literally the kindness.

[Jen Fessler]

Yeah, Yeah. I feel like all.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

All.

[Jen Fessler]

If you're a housewife, you know, and.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

Love, well, then tell everyone who it is.

[Jen Fessler]

It's Dave Quinn.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

Yay, Dave. Quinn. Okay, so are you ready for him?

[Jen Fessler]

But you guys, if you don't know who that is, which you. Probably most of you do, Dave Quinn is with People magazine. And I'm almost positive if you're listening to us, you read Diamonds and Rose. Maybe not, but it the international hit.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

Yes. New York Times bestseller. And he's just, like, omnipresent. Like, every housewife knows Dave Quinn so well, and he's a great sounding board, always gives great advice, and we love him here at 2 jersey jays. So let's welcome Dave Quinn, the one and only Dave.

[Jen Fessler]

One and only.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Hi, how are you doing?

[Jen Fessler]

Hi, Dave Quinn.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Oh, I'm so happy to be here with my two J's, my two Jersey days.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

Happy to have you. And since the last time we had you, you have a new role at People, right?

[Ryan Seacrest]

I do, yeah. I'm the deputy news director here now, so.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

Oh, my God.

[Jen Fessler]

Wow.

[Ryan Seacrest]

It's a lot more work. Oh, my gosh. It's one of those where I keep turning around and saying, shouldn't they have hired an adult to do this?

[Jen Fessler]

Oh, wait, I'm the adult imposter syndrome.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

I know, but what, what, like a thing to name drop? Like, oh, yeah, happen to be the deputy news editor of People magazine. It's, like, crazy.

[Ryan Seacrest]

It sounds pretty fancy. It really does.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

And it is fancy. So congratulations.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Thank you.

[Jen Fessler]

So you guys. You guys do quite a party.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yes, we had. We had a party to launch our new People app, which, if you haven't downloaded, I highly recommend. It's really fun. And we have actually a reality show on the People app. Now. We're.

[Jen Fessler]

No way.

[Ryan Seacrest]

So we're filming a reality show called the Fourth Wall, where you. It follows the staff in the creation of each week's issue, and it's absolutely hilarious. I've been on it a few times, and I keep telling everyone, like, listen, if this is going to get picked up for season two, we need more drama. Like, I keep reminding them, I'm like, someone needs to yell at someone.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

Send in one of those housewives producers. They'll get it out of them.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah, exactly. That's what we need. We need Luke or someone coming and screaming at someone. But, yeah, maybe I need to have a. Maybe I need to have a housewife come for the Fourth Wall episode. I need to bring a housewife in for the Fourth Wall episode.

[Jen Fessler]

Jackie, raise your hand.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

Well, I mean, I'm not currently filming any shows, so I'm happy to do it.

[Ryan Seacrest]

So you can come in and cause trouble. You can really. You can really turn up the drama around the office and. And start some fights.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

Not Jen. Jen's not the troublemaker. She. She doesn't like the trouble parts. She likes the other parts.

[Jen Fessler]

Listen, I was hoping that I was going to get another season to take that opportunity to make some. Some trouble, and I.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

We don't know yet. We don't know yet.

[Jen Fessler]

Yes, But I had it all mapped out.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

Well, speaking of Housewives.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

Let's just start at the start. I mean, there are just so many rumors and so many new shows and so. So let's start with this. There is a rumor going around that three people from Jersey are coming back and three newbies are joining them. I have been told that there's no truth to that rumor. Do you know anything about that rumor?

[Ryan Seacrest]

I have been told there's no truth to that rumor either.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

Great. Oh, I'm all on the same page.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Oh, you've been told it's true.

[Jen Fessler]

No, no.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Every single thing that I have heard has been real consistent, which is just that the network is not paying attention to it. They've put it over in the corner, and they're just sort of ignoring it for a while and focusing on other things, and they'll come back to sort of figure out what it was. They're at casting. They're, you know, pulling people together, but they're sort of not paying attention to it, is what I've been told.

[Jen Fessler]

Yeah, that's what I heard, too.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

Casting. Can I just tell you something? The number of people who come up to me and they're like, yeah, the show called me, but I didn't want to do it. Like, the number of people who think that you just get a call and the next day you start filming is happening for years.

[Jen Fessler]

Yes.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

I just, like, I want to be like, no, no, you don't understand. Like, you probably wouldn't get it anyway. I can't say it.

[Jen Fessler]

I had somebody say to me once at a party, like, oh, Andy's, like, been asking me to do it for years. Like, just, like. I'm like, yeah, I'm sure. Like, you live three blocks from me. You're not. Get out of here.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

Well, yeah, it's crazy famous.

[Ryan Seacrest]

It happens to famous people, too. Jana Kramer very famously talked about how she had been approached to do the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. And then I, like, was inter. I was working on the book at the time. So I asked the casting director, and she's like, oh, yeah, she was pitched to us, but we never pushed her forward. Like, none of us like so again, it's always like this weird, weird thing where just because you have the initial conversation doesn't mean you're going to be on the show by any means. Hi, Zoe Saldana. Welcome to T Mobile.

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[Jackie Goldschneider]

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[Jackie Goldschneider]

I feel like I have to give you something in return for karma.

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[Jackie Goldschneider]

I don't really have much in my purse. Oh, let's see. Hand sanitizer. It's lavender.

[Ryan Seacrest]

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[Jackie Goldschneider]

Let me check this pocket. Oh, mints.

[Dave Quinn]

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[Jackie Goldschneider]

Oh, I have raisins. I'm a mom. Wait, wait one sec. I've got cupcakes in the car.

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[Jackie Goldschneider]

Dave, I feel like there's been so many new housewives since you wrote your book that you need a part two. Have they approached you about a part two? Because there's at least like 40 new people.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I know. I think they want a little bit more time still before a part two. You know, to sort of separate. Exactly. Not. Not to jump in on it as quickly. But I will say there's plenty of story. There would be a lot that we would have to get into and the network has to be ready to have those convers. Right. Because so much has gone down. Even with all the ultimate girls trips and the dramas there. Like, I feel like there's so much they can't really talk about right now that they're not really ready to get real about yet. So I think some distance will be helpful for them.

[Jen Fessler]

If I could get into Diamonds and Rose, I feel like I would make. I've made it.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

Oh, one day.

[Jen Fessler]

One day.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

What do you think of the new shows? I think they're brilliant. I like, I like the new shows that they announced.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah, it's really smart. Listen, it makes perfect sense to me in my brain the way everything is organized. You know, if you're looking at New Jersey, for example, there's a lot of salaries on there that are really high. And though the ratings were great for Jersey, I think the, the problems within the cast and the conflict is a lot for the network to deal with in my perspective. I think they sort of in their mind, say if we launch a brand new franchise and now we're dealing with people who don't have those same salary requirements, right. You're getting paid probably each one of them well under a hundred thousand dollars each. I'm sure they can make the same sort of a show. You know, I've been saying, I've been hearing that Rhode island has the same sort of vibe about New Jersey, like.

[Jen Fessler]

Very Italian, Italian young moms like Jackie.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And I think that, I think that that's the mindset, right? It's like this franchise is shifting. The popularity is changing in everybody's views. Housewives. So we could launch new cities and probably save money in the long run. I'm sure that's part of the con.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

A part of the I think I agree too.

[Jen Fessler]

Do you think that also, though they are. This is just my theory, that they've put us on pause. Definitely. And started Rhode island. And it's almost gives them so much more leverage to negotiate. Like, we ain't paying those salaries anymore. So you want to be part of it, great. But, you know, we can move on without you.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah, I'm sure that's a big part of it as well. I mean, it's all business in the end, and it doesn't feel that way because you're sharing your personal lives. It feels so personal. But I think, and I've said this time and time again, I think the conflict that was happening with Teresa and the conflict that was happening with Margaret was equally annoying to them. I don't think that they were, like, siding with anybody. I think they were just annoyed dealing with it all and they didn't want to deal with it anymore. They didn't want to deal with the fighting. And I won't film with this person and I won't be around this person, and these people won't talk and they won't get along. It's just too much confidence.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

It was too much for the rest of the cast, too. It was hard to be around.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah. Nobody can move forward if nobody wants to move forward.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

I think of all those new shows, I think I'm really looking forward to the wife swap one. I think the thought of. And I don't know if the casting rumors are true, but if they are, like, the thought of Emily Simpson living with Joe Gorga to me, is hysterical and I cannot wait to watch it.

[Jen Fessler]

Yeah, but, Jack, I don't think it works that way. I don't think that's.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

Oh, I thought the wives are switching houses.

[Jen Fessler]

I think that this is what I've heard. I think it's like I'm right, Dave. It's like four different episodes. So, like, in one of the episodes, Emily will switch with an unknown somewhere in, let's say, the Midwest.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Oh, no.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

I wanted Emily to live with Joe Gorga. Oh, I wanted Melissa to live with Shane so bad.

[Jen Fessler]

Oh, I'm sorry. That would have been very funny. No.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yes.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

Now I don't know if I'm looking forward to it.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I'm hearing it's. It's regular people, and I think it's a smart idea.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

It's regular people.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Just average Joe's.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

I'm just kidding. I'm sure it will. Will be very fun.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And I'm sure that Rhode island won't be the last new Housewives franchise on the way?

[Jackie Goldschneider]

Not at all. So is the wife swap thing gonna be like, a one and done, or is it these same five women for, like, multiple seasons?

[Jen Fessler]

I don't think. I think it's four episodes, and it'd be like rotating.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

Right. So, like, yeah, I think it's. Snyder's got a chance at a new wife, right?

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yes. I think that you'll have one sort of pilot season, if you will, of four or five episodes, however many it is, and then I think they'll continue to renew it if it does well with different Housewives.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

Oh, cool. Oh, that's really cool.

[Ryan Seacrest]

It's not like it will always be the same people.

[Jen Fessler]

I do like how it seems like there's so many shows now, like, you can springboard off Housewives and insert yourself in something like this, which I think is a nice break and sort of nice, you know, even for. Especially for shows that get canceled. Like, it's sort of like a nice consolation prize.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah. And, I mean, I've been watching and paying attention to what's happening with these franchises for a while now. Obviously, I watch it very closely, and I just don't really know how much future there is in some of the same sort of conversations. Right.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

Yeah. So let's talk about that, because we have. We have more questions than just like, existing shows. More, like, deep dives into what makes the franchise great and how long that can. Can keep going. So just in general, how. How long can these shows go with this formula?

[Ryan Seacrest]

I think they've gone much longer than anybody who's making them actually imagined them to go. I think most of the people who've been working on these shows for a while have been wondering, when is the end coming? And I'm not really sure. I know that there's constant pressure when you're filming these shows to have story, and that story forces, I think, people to put a lot of conflict forward and put a lot of things forward in their lives that aren't normally what they're going through. That's why you see so many, like, marriage renewals and things like that. Right. Just because there's, like, a need for story.

[Jen Fessler]

And unfortunately, fan of the marriage renewal.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

I don't think marriages aren't a fan of the marriage renewal either, by the way.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And I think what happens is that you have a lot of these people who hear a small little rumor online and feel like, okay, that's an opportunity for story. Now we're going to bring it out, and now we're going to fight about It. And it becomes really damaging to the participants who are doing the show. Right. Because now people are spreading rumors about husbands and. And businesses, and it just becomes so hard to get through. And I don't know. I mean, I don't think that the network necessarily is trying to stop that from happening. I think that they recognize that there needs to be a hook for people to watch and. And there needs to be drama. But if you look at a show like Atlanta this season, which has had a lot of drama, the ratings really aren't there because the fans just seem to be sort of fickle. They sort of. They want all these things that they're never going to get, and they're unhappy all the time. If Nene came back to Atlanta tomorrow, they would be so happy, but then they would watch and complain how boring it is. Right. You know, it's like it just is. It's.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

What does the end look like? It doesn't look like all the shows just going off the air, does it?

[Ryan Seacrest]

I think it looks, one by one, those shows sort of going into retirement and putting over there in the pause world.

[Jen Fessler]

Sorry to interrupt, but I've got to know, like, what. So if it wasn't like this back in the day, and I'm thinking of the classics, right? I'm thinking of Roni, and I'm thinking about Jersey. So it wasn't like, they weren't basing it around rumor mills and, like, how did it work? Was it because it was novel and new that everyone was so into it, or was it that there was just such a different dynamic? They really had friend groups, people that were actually. You think that's it?

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah, I think that's the big thing. Right. When all of these shows started, they were based around core groups of friends, where there was a dynamic there that was interesting in some capacity. As the years went on, of course, to expand and to grow and to change and evolve the show. They added people into a point where a lot of these shows feel like they're not really friends. They're sort of cast to be friends. So New York is a perfect example. You know, when the show got recast, it was after, you know, the midst of the Black Lives Matter movement, a lot of conflicts going on behind the scenes, audiences feeling like it didn't represent the real New York. So they went out and found what they considered to be right, the real New York. And they cast a bunch of women who. Some who knew each other, some who were acquaintances, and put them all together and said, look at this beautiful ethnically diverse group of women that represent New York. Here you go. Cameras up. Well, all those women came into the show knowing exactly what the show is, knowing what it could do for their businesses and their brands. And whether they admitted or not they were all producing themselves. They were all pretending to be something they weren't. They were all holding back things. You have somebody like Jenna Lyon saying, I'm not going to talk about my relationship. I'm not going to show my kid anymore. I'm not going to. You know, she had a yard sale or a tag sale, and she wouldn't even tell them how much she made at the sale. Right. It's. It's all this, like, I'm putting down boundaries. And while I respect boundaries, it becomes really challenging when you're watching a show where everyone has boundaries and you sort of can tell that nothing is real, that it's all sort of phony nonsense. And the fights that you're really seeing are more about the show than about the people themselves. It's more about, like, I'm mad at you for painting me as the villain, because the audience is going to hate me and it's going to affect my business. Right? Like, that's sort of the way everyone is thinking. I think it's much easier for the network to say, okay, New York, you go over there. We don't have to deal with you for now. We'll try and find a real cast down the line, but let's look at Rhode Island. Look at these real women who are all really good friends and they've known each other forever, and this will be a good show. Right? Like, that sort of makes sense to me.

[Jen Fessler]

I don't know why I'm interrupting so much. Excuse me, you guys. I don't mean to, but my question is, do you think also. Because, like, I remember when Roni started, when Jersey started, the women were so. They weren't typical. Like, they were nuts. Like, I don't have a Ramona singer in my life. Do you know what I mean? I didn't have anyone from Jersey that could. That I didn't interact with people the way that they did. And I know they were authentic friends, but also, they were so quirky. You know, maybe that's hard to find because, like, now it's. You're right. It's people that are. That have it together that are producing themselves, as opposed to these women that were floundering around, who knew what was gonna happen next. But I remember just watching specifically Ramona, who I just loved, and thinking, who. What like, where are you coming from?

[Jackie Goldschneider]

The woman literally shit her pants on television and didn't care.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Didn't care.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

Yeah, I should have.

[Jen Fessler]

Her personality was so eccentric. And I remember thinking it was so fascinating. And, like, I don't find that, you know as much.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

Even Tinsley crying at the circus. Like, God, if I reach back in the archives, it was just brilliant. Like, everything was just brilliant, but there was deep, intense, like, fighting back in the day. I mean, when you. When I. People like to say, like, oh, it wasn't dark back then, but, like, I don't know, Kyle and the whole, like, blaming her sister for stealing her house and being an alcoholic, like, that was dark. I mean, Taylor's husband committed suicide. I mean, like, there was dark. It just wasn't manufactured dark. It was so authentic. And I think that's the difference, right?

[Ryan Seacrest]

It wasn't. I heard a rumor that your husband is cheating nonsense.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

Right? It wasn't that kind of dark. It was like, I've reached the end with, like, pretending this doesn't exist and, like, outing things on the show, but they were real things, you know, which is why that's what the difference is.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And the show is always the most interesting when there are those moments when Kyle and Lisa Vanderpump are falling out. And, you know, that that was a real friendship. And the reason they're falling out is kind of because. Because of the show, and they can't really talk about it, but they're trying to talk about it. Like, that's when it's most interesting. But I agree with you, Jen. Like, it's hard to find a Ramona singer, and Jersey's a perfect example, taking you two out of the equation, because I don't want to talk about you both here, but, like, I think we've heard it all. No, but I think, like, Margaret's a good example of someone who's, like, kind of a character, right? You're like, okay, you're a bit of a character. And then you have someone like Amber Marchese, who joined pretending to be a character and, like, faked it the whole time, and it never really worked. Right? So it's like, you have to be somebody who is just 100% authentically yourself, which is very difficult to do. We are all aware now of what people perceive us to be. We have social media platforms that are curated, and we're paying attention to comments and likes. And I think it's really difficult to go on television and be a hundred percent yourself without being worried about what people say.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

I agree.

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[Jackie Goldschneider]

So what do you think in terms of housewives? Do you think that because there's a lot of controversy over how old should a housewife be? So like on Jersey, we had some that were very, very young. We had some that were older. Do you think it should be somebody with a lot of life experience and somebody wealthy that we can watch and they want to emulate or someone crazy? Or should it be Younger women that we could watch their families grow and watch their kids grow up on camera. Like, what do you think is better?

[Ryan Seacrest]

I think a good mix is the best way to go about it. You know, again, we come back to early seasons of New York. You want the Jill Zarin and the Bethenny Frankel. You want the person who is a little bit more established in society and also somebody who, who may be an up and comer and to see how they all interact with one another. I think it's good to have a good mix because there's. It's. The lesson of Housewives for me has always been women have value in society. In times that entertainment often sort of overlooked them and threw them away. Right. So I definitely think that of a certain age, air quote. Like an, you know, an older female has a lot of incredible story to tell and deserves that platform.

[Jen Fessler]

Yeah. I mean, I talked to somebody, actually picked up something that I said on a podcast recently, and I was saying something to the effect of like, I don't care about, you know, your babies and your carpool. And then someone picked it up and said that I was trying to diss Rachel Fuda or I was dissing young. I'm like, no, it's not that at all. I wasn't thinking. I am literally saying I, I personally, what I'm interested in is more aligned with someone who is older. It's like, I'm more interested in watching women. I don't really want to hear women discuss menopause necessarily, but you guys know what I'm saying? Like, I want to hear about vaginal dryness as opposed to, like, like in a funny, colorful way for me. But that doesn't mean that I do. I did bond, weirdly enough with Rachel Fuda the first season in a way that was totally organic. And I think people thought it was really interesting, you know? But, yeah, I don't know. I mean, I personally, like. I think that I like watching women of a certain age a little bit better.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I do too. What I'm fascinated by is the idea of society painting you to be one thing. Right. You're a mom and you spend your life being a mom and raising a child, and that child eventually goes away. And then what is your identity beyond that? And I think it's fascinating to watch women like Nene, women like Jill Zara, women who X, Y and Z have, like, in the past have stepped into their power through this platform and created a whole second life for themselves. That's really fascinating to me.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

I agree. What about Wealth. You know, a lot of people say the housewives should be wealthy. I know you said that people who are established versus up and comers. But wealth wise, does it change the housewives brand when you have people who, you know, live in a teeny, tiny little house and are obviously have no money?

[Ryan Seacrest]

I think that ultimately housewives works best when there's wealth involved because it's. It comes back to the concept of the show, which originally was behind the gates. Right. It was to look into sort of this universe of rich people where you didn't normally get to see. And I think that people like the aspirational quality towards housewives.

[Jen Fessler]

Don't you think they also like watching wealthy women, like, go down? Like, I. I don't know, like you. Of course, there's always a certain amount of. I had it right. I'm watching Lisa Vanderpump. Although I loved her, I never wanted anything to happen to her. But, like, when you're watching, I don't know, some of the really wealthy women, and it's not so perfect as it looks.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

And while watching Dorit now. And now there's all these rumors about Dorit's money. Right, right.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Of course.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

Dresses head to toe in, like $10,000 outfits every day. But now, you know, I. I do think that some people are enjoying that potential, you know, downfall.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Oh, yeah.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

Although I really like her. I do.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I like her, too. But listen, like, watching the downfall of somebody on television is a tried and true formula. Right. And it's always going to be the way the network sees it, I'm sure. By the way, I don't work for the network. I'm not a network spokesperson. But I'm sure the way they all look at this is like, this is great story, you know?

[Jackie Goldschneider]

Yeah. I mean, like, wow. Just watch the Valley.

[Jen Fessler]

Wow.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Or like, look at. Look at someone like Erica. Like, we've sort of watched this journey. If they would have left Erica when she lost her money and they were like, you're not valuable anymore, we wouldn't have gotten to see sort of the way that she stood up after the lowest moment in her life. And that's fascinating. That's inspirational. That's a reminder, you know, the thing that housewives hear the most. I'm sure that you can both attest. It's not. People aren't like, they don't remember the, oh, you cursed this person out. Or you said that really funny thing. It's like the story that you shared. I mean, how many people, Jackie, come up to you and talk to you about.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

Oh, yeah, I think that's my legacy. I was afraid my legacy would would be finale at Rails, but it's not. Turns out people much more often want to talk about the eating disorder stuff, which makes me really proud, you know.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah. It's ultimately a story that is what hooks people to these people.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

Not how about this idea of term limits on a housewife? So that, which I think is actually brilliant. So you don't get to this point where you have to invent a storyline to stay relevant or you don't have to go over and above and be like the nasty one to stay in the story. You know what I'm saying? Like, if you knew that you had six seasons at a max and then you were gone, you wouldn't need to, you know, keep clawing for something to keep.

[Jen Fessler]

Oh, I don't think I disagree. I think that would not work at all. I think that first of all, the clawing is part of, I hate to say it, but it's part of the fun, I think, for the audience. But I don't know, I feel like you could even kind of give up at the end and. But I always do say this, like, you gotta follow the money. If the ratings are coming in and you're bringing in a certain amount of money, everyone has to pay their mortgage the exact Bravo too. So why give limits if the person is a money maker, right? I mean, that's, I always think, sort of follow the money.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah, I see that too. Ultimately, I, I, I, I'm one of two ways about it. I can totally see how certain people feel the need to stay relevant and therefore are clamoring and inventing things and trying to sort of center themselves in the drama. But I do feel like they would be that way even if they weren't on television. You know, I always use Karen Huger's example. Like, Karen Huger is somebody who, if you speak to her, she's pretty cagey about her real life. And you could tell that she's sort of putting on a Persona, but that's who she is. If she wasn't on tv, you know, like, that would be who she was if you met her at a party. So I think that's the personality of somebody who is trying to center themselves in conversation. And drama exists even if the cameras aren't there, they would still be doing that within their friend circle, I believe. I'm very. Nostalgia is a very powerful emotion and I'm very nostalgic. So I find myself missing a lot of former housewives and wanting to see them on TV and just really feeling nostalgic about the time that I spent with. With them.

[Jen Fessler]

Me, too.

[Ryan Seacrest]

But at the same time. Yeah, but the fans aren't like that. I mean, I always use Charay as an example. They fired Charade three times. Like, the fans beg for her to come back, and then when she's there, they're like, get rid of her. She's boring. You know, so it's like, it's so frustrating the way the fan base works, because I think that they don't recognize what they want. They just need to be, you know.

[Jen Fessler]

They'Ll ever bring the OG New York OGs back.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I. I do not. And I think it's a mistake. Like, I just feel like that show would be so much more interesting if Dorinda and Luann and maybe even Sonia were in the mix. Like, I just think it would be so much more interesting to see that mixture of personality. But the network made a choice, and they. They. They said, let's try and swing big. And I don't think it really worked as they wanted it to. So I think they're trying to figure out what to do next.

[Jen Fessler]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

With that. So. So there's lots of rumors about the new New York. Do you think they're done, or do you think that they'll bring that one back? I. I mean, Jersey aside, are they just slowly letting older shows go to bed?

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah, I mean, the network never really says they cancel anything. You know, I don't think Real Housewives of Dallas was canceled. I don't think Dubai has been canceled. Right. They're just not renewed or they're not in the cycle right now. I think they've made it very clear once that Page Six story came out, which, by the way, never said the show was canceled, but the fans interpreted it that way. All the. All it said was that, you know, the show wasn't really being filmed right now, which it's not being filmed right now.

[Jen Fessler]

Right.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And it wasn't announced as upfronts as being renewed. So, you know, we're still in this mix of what are they going to do with New York. They've said they're looking into other women. There's. Every day I see another report that, you know, they're casting new people, but I'm not necessarily sure they're doing anything with it. I think they've put it right next to Jersey, and they've said, we'll come back to you. Let's focus on these new ones.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

Brandi Glanville gave an interview and she says a lot of stuff, but she called the Real Housewives life ruining tv. Do you think that that's true?

[Ryan Seacrest]

First of all, I love Brandi Glanville so much. And do you?

[Jackie Goldschneider]

Are you close?

[Ryan Seacrest]

We're not close, but I. But I love her.

[Jen Fessler]

I care about her. I love that you love her.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

Yeah, she's messy.

[Jen Fessler]

Because you love messy, right? Like I love Messi.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I feel as though I feel protective over all of y' all. You know what I mean? Because I think that it's difficult to navigate this situation. I think the network is a business. At the end of the day, Bravo is a business, and they can't care about everybody and treat everybody as a priority. The business is the priority in the same way that if I became a problem for People magazine, I would assume People magazine would move on. Right. It just is sort of the way it works. And she became somebody who didn't fit in with their business model anymore. And that's sort of the way it. But I don't think it was because she did anything that she didn't think was the right thing to do.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

Right. I agree.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Challenging. When you look at the whole situation from behind, is it life ruining? And certainly in her experience, it seems to have been. But I also think it's life ruining. If you let it be life ruining. If you put all of your thoughts and hopes and futures and prayers into this vehicle, I think it becomes really challenging.

[Jen Fessler]

It's like acting.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

It's like entertainment 100%. Yeah.

[Jen Fessler]

I remember, Dave, you and I. I don't know if you'll remember, we had a very long talk one night. I mean, it must have been. Maybe it was two years ago.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah, maybe.

[Jen Fessler]

And like, I remember just like, I feel like everyone should have to sit down with Dave Quinn before they sign up. No, and it's not the. Because it's just. You're very insightful. And even, like, the things that you're saying now, they really resonate with me. Like, if you allow it to be life ruining. And I think that that's so important. And for myself, even over something that's happening or that I read about or that I hear, this one is doing this. And then I always have to go. Like, I always step back or I call. One of my friends will say to me, you're a loser. Like, you gotta, like, you need to relax. Like, I got a whole life before I got on the show, and I got a whole life after this show. And it, like, I found myself getting pulled into That I know, Jack, you have two. And then all of a sudden you go, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I was happy before. I'm gonna be happy after. It's not like this is not my whole life. But it sucks you in. Good.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Of course it does. If. If everybody in the world was telling me what I. Whether I'm valuable or not, right? And that, like, I would feel, I would have a really hard time seeing my own self worth because I would be judging it all through their eyes. That's why I think it's really difficult to do this job. It's why I have such respect and kindness for everybody who does it. Because at the end of the day, I'm not judging you. I don't care. I'm judging myself. Hi, Zoe Saldana. Welcome to T Mobile.

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[Jackie Goldschneider]

So we know that on screen, like craziness, drama is ratings. Do you think that there is some social responsibility when somebody has a substance abuse problem to stop filming with them? So take Karen Huger, who I actually really love personally.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Me too.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

Or like Jax Taylor, who was in rehab and missed half the season. Is there. Is there a social responsibility? Or is it just, hey, like, if they're only harming themselves, like we. Let's keep rolling.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I mean, this is the eternal moral question, right? At what point does it stop being entertainment and start being, you know, taking advantage of somebody? I think it's really difficult. I'm 12 years sober. I'm active in my sobriety and in my recovery. If I was in the height of using and that was being filmed, I don't know. I mean, there's a benefit to that. Carl Rackey always says, I don't think I would have gotten sober had it been for the show, because it showed me what was happening. And the people on that I worked with were like, you have a problem, you need to get help for it. This may be the most important thing in Jax Taylor's life that he was able to do this on camera.

[Jen Fessler]

It's interesting.

[Ryan Seacrest]

At the same time, it's. You know, it can feel like, wow, we're really taking advantage of somebody, especially with mental health issue when that sort of comes into play at their hardest point. And I think Liam McSweeney's whole argument right now that she's dealing with in the courts is like, listen, I. I was an addict and I was in the midst of a rehab, a relapse, and nobody cared for me. And in fact, they took advantage of that by making sure that alcohol was readily available and not giving me the time that I needed to take care of myself.

[Jen Fessler]

Do you agree with her? With her. I'm talking particularly Leah. Do you agree with her stance?

[Ryan Seacrest]

I. I don't disagree with it. That's the thing. I don't agree or disagree. I understand what she's saying, and I totally recognize that if I were in her shoes, I would feel the exact same way about it, but it's not my place to say whether that's right or wrong.

[Jen Fessler]

Not. Well, it's not mine either, but I think.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah, I know. Well, that's.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

It's a lot more complicated than just one issue. So if you listen to the Bravo docket, which I love. Do you listen to them? They. They go through the entire case and, like, there are some things I agree with and some that I don't like. She went on a show that she knows requires, like, craziness and drama and said, hey, I'm going to be sober and not do any of that stuff. And at what point does the show owe it to her to, you know, like, there's a lot of big questions.

[Jen Fessler]

But I think I was just going to say, like, within any industry, I mean, you can find lots of alcohol and people pressuring you to come and drink with them. And I don't know. I just. I. I understand that it must have been hard for her. I'm not taking that away. But I don't know that it was anyone else's fault. Right.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

And I agree with that. Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I mean, listen, I can't imagine that the intention of any of these people. It's always so easy to view production or the network or even other housewives as, like, evil beings stirring a cauldron behind the scenes, being like, muhaha, we're gonna ruin their lives. Like, I just don't think that's the way it works. That being said, I'm sure the producer felt a certain amount of pressure to create some sort of storyline, because I'm sure somebody was saying, you know, nothing's happening this season and we need to dot that. Right. So it's like there's pressure coming from all over the place.

[Jen Fessler]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

It's a hard environment to be in. But they also cast Leah in that, knowing fully well that's what she was going through.

[Jen Fessler]

So, yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Now you're a true employer who essentially is taking, not taking care of your employee. That's also confusing. Right. So there's. There's so many layers to it. I wish it was black and white. It would be so much easier to understand.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

All right, so, Dave, so what's the next show to fall? Look in your magic ball.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Oh, gosh. My gosh. I don't know.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

I don't know. I. I think that. Yeah. New York, New Jersey, on pause. Dubai basically probably finished. Dallas is never coming back. But I loved Dallas.

[Jen Fessler]

I never watched.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

I really did, too. And I thought their last season was actually really great. So I don't know. It's confusing to me how they make these decisions, but we'll see how Rhode island goes. Salt Lake City is doing great.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

Beverly Hill still doing great. Ocean county, still doing great.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Orange.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

I mean, sorry, Orange County.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I think Orange county will be the next to fall. That's my instinct. I think, I think it will be a decision at 20. I think they're at 19 now. Next season will be 20 and I think they'll sort of. That's a good. Like we've done 20 years on this show. Next.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

That's what I is going to be like. The decluttering principle where one thing goes out and another thing comes in.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yes. I think that there will be more cities to come and the network has built its entire likely livelihood rather on these shows. So I can't imagine that they'll be walking away from them anytime soon.

[Jen Fessler]

It's so interesting because I was saying that I, I am so like you were talking about nostalgia. I too feel so nostalgic specifically about some of the OGs. And so when they are no longer on my show, it's upsetting to me. But the truth is now I. If I'm thinking about it like there are a lot of OGs that are still around and after a while I think maybe they get boring. It's their. Because I mean, who wouldn't. It's not their fault. But they're offering up the same thing.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

I think it's only. Only Teresa and Kyle are OGs, right?

[Jen Fessler]

No, they're a lot.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

I mean the whole cast of Salt Lake. But that's not right when you're talking.

[Ryan Seacrest]

About the long standing shows left. No, I think those are the only two first season housewives who are really.

[Jen Fessler]

How about oc?

[Jackie Goldschneider]

No, Tamara was in first season.

[Jen Fessler]

Vicky.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

Vicki's not on it.

[Jen Fessler]

I know, but like. Which, whatever. Like I. You could feel nostalgic for Vicky, but also it was kind of the same shtick right over.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

I mean things kind of get old but.

[Ryan Seacrest]

But I wonder. I'm more interested in the world outside of Housewives. I'm always curious as sort of the way Bravo grows their programming slate. I think that Summer House has become sort of a juggernaut for them now. It's like it's delivered really good ratings and people are very invested in that, those characters and they've been going for much longer than I think anyone anticipated at first. And Southern Charm has sort of continued to reinvent itself, although I don't think it's always been successful at that. And I'm. I'm sort of curious of like, what are those new shows the Valley seems to be doing? Well, so that. But that feels such. So connected to Vanderpump Rules. I'm just waiting for what the next Bravo hit is. That's what I'm.

[Jen Fessler]

Isn't it? Aren't Shaw. Aren't Shaws of. What is it again?

[Jackie Goldschneider]

They're getting a valley.

[Jen Fessler]

They're now getting a new. Like a valley thing, right?

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

But I still miss them more.

[Ryan Seacrest]

There's more out there that we haven't really touched. And I'm curious, like, what would you do?

[Jen Fessler]

Do you have any ideas?

[Ryan Seacrest]

Oh, gosh, no, I don't. I'm not.

[Dave Quinn]

I don't know.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

In five years from now, you think that the Housewives landscape is going to look very different. The existing shows are not all going to be there, and it's going to be a lot of new ones with lower salaries.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah. And I think that's just business. It just makes perfect sense. You know, if the ratings are dwindling and things are changing, I wouldn't be surprised if they just found newer cities, too.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

Yeah. And to be honest, this Rhode island cast, I mean, some of the things I've heard about them, I'm so excited to watch. I want to just inject it into my veins. Have you heard about these. There's one woman whose husband's career is a Frank Sinatra impersonator.

[Ryan Seacrest]

That's incredible. Yeah, I've heard a lot about the Rhode island cast. And I'm. I used to live in Rhode Island. I went to college there. And. And I have a 401 area code phone number still, because I got cell phone when I was in Rhode Island. So I have a lot of positive feelings towards the Ocean State. And I'm really excited to see what they. What they turn that franchise into.

[Jen Fessler]

And everyone keeps asking me also, is there a lot of money on Rhode Island?

[Ryan Seacrest]

And people keep asking, like, where are they going to be filming? But the whole state is so small, you can drive the whole thing in an hour. So I think they're going to be filming all over. You know, I just think that it's going to be. Be. There's gonna be people in Cranston and there's gonna be people in Narragansett, and there's gonna be people in, you know, Newport and Warwick and Providence. I just think they're gonna be everywhere. I can't wait to see how it all turns down. And it's gonna be fun, I think, to have another east coast franchise in a place that kind of like Potomac. Right. Where people didn't really know anything about or, you know, and get to see a whole group of people.

[Jen Fessler]

I know I keep. I always, like, waiting for Boca or Long island or, like, the obvious choices. It's so interesting to me that they.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

They.

[Jen Fessler]

And I'm like, Rhode Island.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

I think. I think that the network is probably steering clear of any ethnic shows that have to do with any kind of wars right now, you know, because in terms of, like, Boca and Long island, you know what I'm saying? I think that right there. So many emotions tied to all of that.

[Ryan Seacrest]

That's true.

[Jen Fessler]

For years, though, I thought, like, what about Boca? It's so. To me, it was just like, it was prime, primed for.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

I don't know. I think it's very Republican, and I don't know that that's Bravo's brand in Boca.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Well, again, it becomes. It becomes political in ways that I always argue I don't really care about. I certainly have my own political beliefs, but I like to watch TV and feel like I'm looking into a window, not into a mirror. I don't want to see me or my life. It's very boring, you know, or my views. I want to see people who have different perspectives on things. And, yeah, I think we all need to be a lot less judgmental and critical. I think we sort of need to, like.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

Amen. Amen.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You're talking to somebody who deleted all his social media and hasn't been online in two years.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

I. I can't believe that you haven't been back yet. That's amazing to me is your life changed. I love that because of it.

[Ryan Seacrest]

God, yeah. Much. Very much so. I've stopped. I have no idea what anyone says about me. And it's lovely, really.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

I love it. By the way, I was listening to watch what happens the other day, and they were saying they. They mentioned you, and they were like, yeah, Dave Quinn disappeared like, a year and a half ago, and, like, he hasn't been seen since. But he's working away. He's plugging away, but, like, no one knows where he is. I know where he is, but I.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Love that for him.

[Jen Fessler]

What bad things would anyone say about you? I can't even.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

No. No one ever says a bad word about you.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I'll let you know. I'll let you know. The people don't like me. It's no problem. You know, the truth at the end of the day is that I like me. And I just don't really worry about.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

We love you.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I don't want to worry about all that stuff. And if you have something to say about me, you better say it behind my back, because I don't care. I don't want to know. And I would much prefer to, like, you know, live in my own internal bliss of just feeling happy about myself and. And not feeling stressed out.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

I love it. I do have to say I signed off of Instagram when Finale was airing last year for a month, and it was really freeing. It was great.

[Ryan Seacrest]

It's wonderful to sort of be away from it. I do think if. If I had any. I mean, you know, I've given a lot of advice to Housewives. I've given both of you a lot of advice. Jackie, I met you before your season started hearing.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And gave you this whole thing. I do think that, like, the number one thing that would be so helpful for every housewife is not to be on social media. It's just like, if you can afford to hire someone to post for you, just do that and just move forward and not look at it.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

Yeah. And it doesn't even end when the show ends because I saw yesterday that Mia. Well, by the time this airs, I'm not sure when this is airing, but Mia is now telling the cast of Potomac that they better not be talking about her or she'll sue them for defamation. And, like, it's just that, like, you're. You're done. Move on with the life. Like, you know, they're going to talk about you, but, like, you know, it just stays and it weighs on you and, like, it keeps you, like, aggravated.

[Jen Fessler]

You know, picture like that being like, if I logged off of not now, because no one's really talking about me now, but, like, if I had logged off of social media, because I'm always like, well, I'm gonna miss, you know, the people in my life and just had, like, a private account with my non Housewives people. You know, the people that I always was on Facebook with and knew their birthdays because it popped up on Facebook, like, that would be. I could probably compromise in that way. I wouldn't feel so, like I was, you know, missing out, I think. Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Everywhere you go, people are going to ask you about this show. And that's the one thing that Caroline Manso said to me once that really resonated with me, where she's like, it's been 16 years and people still ask me about a table flip that I didn't even do. Like, for the rest of my life, people are going to be asking me about this stuff. And it's just we have to think of it that way is that, like, it. There's no escape for you all. You're forever a part of this franchise, whether you liked it or not. You signed up.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

I actually love that. I loved it. I loved my experience on the show. There have been moments, of course, but I love the network. I love the show, and I don't mind being associated with it.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah. And that's the thing. It's a mindset. Right. It's like, if they're always going to be coming to me and talking to me about this thing, that I have to be able to live with it and to find ways forward for it. So I recognize how difficult it is for everyone, and that's why I am very proud of the fact that I've always sort of stayed in a positive loving kindness mentality towards it, and I.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

Think that's why everyone gravitates to you. And, like, there will be times when I'm on the phone with Dave where, like, six housewives will call through while I'm on the phone with him. You are like a. You are like a very calming and. But, like, you also know everything.

[Jen Fessler]

You are the People magazine of the tabloids.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

Yes. Like, rise Above.

[Jen Fessler]

You are the fair, equitable, and kind. Well, I guess People's not a tabloid, but you know what I'm saying.

[Ryan Seacrest]

No, of course. I understand exactly what you mean, and I'm proud of that. Listen, I got to be able to put my head down at the end of the night, and I think that there's no. There's nothing wrong with fans wanting to have fun with all this. It is entertainment. I get it. But I do think that there's a. A line cross that often happens where they don't really understand the difference between, like, the silly and the, you know, serious. And they get really intense, and I feel pretty bad for them. They did it towards me. There were. There were death rumors, by the way, when I deleted Instagram. I don't know. There were. There were Reddit boards, and people were sending me.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

No way.

[Ryan Seacrest]

People called me scared out of their mind that I killed myself. I was like, no, sorry. Look pretty good for a dead.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

Well, I feel like I could ask you questions all day. Jen, do you have anything else?

[Jen Fessler]

A million more.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

I know. I really do, too, but think. I think this was.

[Jen Fessler]

Wait, wait. Because you had something. You and I talked about something. Jack, I want to know. Like you said, like, who is. Who do you think is the best housewife of all?

[Jackie Goldschneider]

Best housewife of all time? Taking me and Jen out of it.

[Jen Fessler]

You know, obviously I don't think.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah, I mean, I've. I long have people that I would put on my Mount Rushmore of housewives that I think are really good housewives. I really am a respect your villain sort of guy. You know, I look at people like Lisa Rinna and I, you know, I appreciate what they brought to the show because I know how hard it is to be the messy person and I think that they advance storyline in that way. And I look towards people like that. The one I relate the most to is Caroline Manzo. She's just always been my go to favorite housewife because she reminds me a lot of, you know, my Italian family and sort of what I look for in a person. That loyalty, that like love and that unconditional love that she has for her kids, which just really.

[Jen Fessler]

Yeah. You know, I love that answer. I would have not thought that you would have said that. I would have not predicted that. But there's a lot of absolute sense.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah. And there's a lot of different things. I mean, I don't think there's any bad housewives. The truth is, like, even the ones that people don't like, I've been like. There's stuff I can find in them that I find enjoyable to watch.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

Yeah, there's been a lot of one and dones that I don't agree with. I think they should have stuck around. Even like Noella on Ocean County. Like, I thought she was chock full. Yeah.

[Jen Fessler]

I didn't get that. Why did she get. She was cuckoo in the kookiest way.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

Orange County. I keep calling it Ocean. Sorry.

[Ryan Seacrest]

That's okay. Sometimes there's a thing as much too much storyline. I think Bronwyn Windenburg worked out with the same situation. Like there's too much storyline for the audience to digest. And it becomes really. It feels very manufactured. Mia is somebody else who dealt with that. Too much going on in their lives. You know, you are like an onion. You need to slowly peel it back. And she'll be a fired. I don't think so. I think that they would have filmed with me again, but I think Mia wasn't living in Potomac anymore. So that sort of makes it hard to be on the Real Housewives of Potomac.

[Jen Fessler]

Yeah, that makes sense.

[Ryan Seacrest]

But I don't know for sure. I. I didn't really inquire about that one.

[Jen Fessler]

Where do you stand? This is just a personal thing. Where do you. What do you think of Bethany?

[Ryan Seacrest]

Oh, it's so funny. Bethany is. Was. And I think many people feel the same Way when you first watched her on Housewives, like was the character that we all fell in love with because she was such a voice of the people and it felt like her perspective on. On things were so funny and so entertaining and so right on. And she's continued to be somebody who is like used social media and, you know, well, after the show left found a way to continue being that voice of the people. I'm entertained by it. She's always been really lovely to me. She didn't do my book very famously refused to do the book, but then talked a lot of shit about it, which made the sales go up. So thanks, Bethany, for that.

[Dave Quinn]

Wow.

[Jen Fessler]

I'm surprised you're a fan.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Well, you know, again, like, what is your villains, Right?

[Jen Fessler]

Lots of people are. Lots of people are fans of hers.

[Ryan Seacrest]

What is it going to cost me? I don't know. I guess at the end of the day, there's not really a lot of people I'm not a fan of.

[Jen Fessler]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You know, it's just, I would say there's two or three of them that I pretty much don't like off camera, that I don't really like on camera. And they are, and they are my connection.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

Just like messy fancy. Well, Dave, we love you much. Thank you so much for coming on. Will you come on again anytime.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Seriously, I love you both so, so much. And I'm so grateful. At the end of the day, no matter what happens to Jersey, you're all icons in my eyes. And I'm so grateful for all the incredible entertainment that you've given us as viewers.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

Oh, thank you. And we're grateful for you as well.

[Jen Fessler]

To say the least.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

Thanks, Dave.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Thank you.

[Jackie Goldschneider]

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[Ryan Seacrest]

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