Unfiltered Mom (RHOSLC Recap)

Summary

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Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge

Episode: "Unfiltered Mom" (RHOSLC Recap)

Original Air Date: October 2, 2025
Hosts: Tamra Judge & Dolores (subbing for Teddi Mellencamp)

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Episode Overview

In this engaging episode, Tamra Judge is joined by Dolores (standing in for Teddi Mellencamp) for an unfiltered, witty, and honest recap of The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City (RHOSLC), Season 4, Episode 3. The duo break down the latest episode, analyze the evolving dynamics among the Housewives, dissect the drama, and share their own mom wisdom and Housewife insights. They also touch on bigger Housewives themes: authenticity, friendship, loyalty, and why seasoned women make for great reality TV.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Housewives’ Taglines & Theme Setting

[05:32 – 08:26]

• Tamra and Dolores review this season’s taglines, judging their relevance and wit.
  • Heather: “My nest is almost empty, and this bird is ready to soar.” – Both agree it’s basic.
  • Meredith: “While you drop lies, I’m dropping the beat.” – Coincides with Meredith’s DJ persona.
  • Bronwyn: “If my closet had skeletons, at least they’d be well dressed.” – Noted for her wild fashion.
  • Angie: “I’m Greek, and the rest are just a tragedy.” – Confusion over the Greek reference, but eventually connected to Greek mythology.
  • Whitney: “Roses are redheads, violets are blue. Don’t come for me or I’ll come for you.” – Tied to her daughter’s bullying for red hair.

    “I feel any time bullying is a factor of anything, it makes me actually want to throw up because it’s so sad.” – Tamra, [08:00]

  • Mary: “I’m just here to eat, drink, and be merry.” – Labeled cute and fitting, matching her love for food.
  • Lisa: “I don’t go low, I go the distance.” – Short, strong, to-the-point.

Lisa’s Business & “Dismissed” Lawsuits

[09:36 – 14:11; 45:01 – 49:41]

• Lisa prepares for her party while discussing the reality of being sued as a business owner.
• Dolores and Tamra question Lisa’s business acumen, wondering if she’s inflating her brand and security (“She’s got a lot of teams. What… does she do?” – Tamra, [10:25])
• Lisa’s party features legal documents stamped "DISMISSED" on poster boards:
  • Some castmates find Lisa’s approach childish and unnecessary.
  • Poster presentations are met with skepticism and laughter.
  • Mary criticizes the poster quality: “She was concerned with the quality of the posters saying they’re too blurry.” – Dolores, [45:42]
  • Lisa’s lack of transparency about her legal situation raises suspicion, especially when pressed for details: “That’s what she said. None your business.” – Dolores, [62:20]
  • Dolores speculates Lisa might not even understand her own lawsuit logistics.

Bronwyn & Todd: Family and Tension

[17:42 – 31:59]

• Lunch between Bronwyn and Todd is described as “always awkward.” Bronwyn’s parents’ health issues are discussed:
  • Her father is in a home due to Alzheimer’s.
  • Her mother, recovering from brain surgery, now lives with them.
• Ongoing tension: Todd didn’t want the parents to move in, Bronwyn admits.
• Tamra and Dolores debate the complexities of family, caregiving, and marriage:

  “Families, family. And if you’re with someone and they decide that they’re going to be a caretaker of their family, that comes with the territory.” – Tamra, [19:15]

  • Discussion of subservience in Bronwyn and Todd’s relationship.

  “She seemed very subservient to him and very intimidated by him…” – Dolores, [19:36]

• Dolores draws from her own family experience:

  “My mom has moved in and out with me and Eddie... He’s never had a problem with it.” – Dolores, [19:04]

Friends, Loyalty & Bringing Real-Life Friends onto Housewives

[21:39 – 24:15]

• Dolores and Tamra discuss the “friend of” drama—are friendships real when forged for the show?

  “Most times people aren’t that close when they come on the show, they become close.” – Tamra, [22:12]

• Risks of bringing genuine friends onto Housewives: latent secrets, risk to real friendships, and Housewife feuds.
  • Dolores shares a sweet story about her friend Jackie to illustrate real friendships outside the show.

Generational Conflict & Mom-Daughter Dynamics

[24:33 – 31:59]

• Focus on Bronwyn’s relationship with her mother. Dolores notices the “huge, giant doors” in Bronwyn’s house but quickly pivots to the emotional awkwardness of their dynamic.
  • Bronwyn’s mom implies she needs Todd financially.

  “That was hard for me to watch. I’m not gonna lie.” – Tamra, [25:07]

  • Both hosts praise Bronwyn’s intelligence and self-sufficiency.
  • Broader commentary: having parents on reality TV is risky, and these issues are deeply relatable for viewers.

  “Getting on the show at our age. See what I... They’re not young housewives... seasoned women who are going through real-life things at ages people watch and relate to.” – Tamra, [27:21]

Family Drama vs. Fights – What Do Fans Want?

[28:21 – 29:11]

• Dolores and Tamra debate whether fans tune in for family drama or for explosive conflict.

  “You’re not watching the porn for the storyline. You just wait for the money shot.” – Tamra, [28:33]

• Both agree: it’s about balance—too much fighting or too much family can be boring.

Drama at Lisa’s Party: A-Team, D-Team & Group Dynamics

[41:00 – 44:53]

• Lisa only invites “the A team” for gun range fun; “D team” gets lunch.
  • Dolores: “This is why the girls feel Lisa thinks she’s above them. Okay, well, because she does stuff like this.” [42:21]
• Lisa’s social strategy does not go unnoticed and is part of why the group is split.

Power Players: Lisa, Meredith, Bronwyn

[42:58 – 52:25]

• Both hosts reflect on Lisa’s confidence—whether it’s arrogance or self-love.

  “She’s just overly complimentary of herself. She loves it. She loves herself.” – Dolores, [44:05]

• Both praise Lisa’s skill as a public speaker and Housewife brand.
  • She gets commercials, outside endorsement deals, and is a Bravo favorite.
• Discussion of Lisa and Bronwyn’s verbal showdown.

  “Bronwyn gets under Lisa’s skin like nobody else.” – Dolores, [49:59]

  • Bronwyn’s intelligence and wit unsettle Lisa, making for great TV.

  “She’s very sharp and she’s very witty and she’s quick on her feet... she’s nobody’s fool.” – Tamra, [50:29]

  • Lisa responds more emotionally, often defaulting to retorts like “fuck off!” when heated.

“Loyalty” in the Housewives Universe

[54:13 – 56:17]

• Meredith is suddenly attacked for supposedly not being sufficiently loyal to Lisa, despite evidence to the contrary.

  “As a housewife, you can’t get into every single fight.” – Dolores, [54:20]

  • Loyalty and shifting alliances are recurring themes, and both hosts share personal examples.

  “To me, loyalty is everything.” – Dolores, [55:51]

“Jen Shah Energy” & Glam Team Drama

[56:17 – 57:16]

• Argument erupts between Angie and Lisa: Lisa accuses Angie of mimicking Jen Shah, especially with glam.
  • Both agree being compared to Jen Shah (now a convicted criminal) is a tough blow.

  “If somebody compared me to… I had a lawsuit going on, I wouldn’t like that.” – Dolores, [57:16]

Social Media, TikToks, and Digging for Dirt

[60:11 – 61:46]

• Lisa brings up business rumors about Whitney she saw on TikTok, setting Whitney off (“digger!”).
• The nature of Housewives is now deeply intertwined with online rumors and social media.

  “Nowadays we talk more about what’s on social media than anything else… the press, all that, that’s just what happens.” – Dolores, [61:28]

  • Both agree that discussing public stories isn’t “digging”—it’s part of the job.

Fan Thoughts & Housewife Strategy

[64:28 – 66:05]

• Tamra and Dolores read out and respond to fan comments:
  • Whitney labeled a hypocrite, Lisa called “the most self-centered Housewife ever,” Heather dubbed a “double agent.”
  • Dolores defends Heather: “Just because you don’t always side with somebody… doesn’t mean [you’re a double agent].” [65:02]
  • On loyalty and group feuds:

    “I’m not that friend that if one of my friends don’t like you on the show, I don’t like you either… I’ll make my own enemies.” – Tamra, [65:59]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Bronwyn’s Mom:

  “Mom was hitting below… Bronwyn’s mom, Housewife of the—she should be holding the snowflake at this point.”
  – Dolores, [29:25]

• On Lisa’s Lawsuits:

  “She only knows dismiss. That’s all she knows.”
  – Dolores, [49:56]

• On Lisa’s Party Planning:

  “Every time she sets up for her parties, I’m like, what’s up? I could do this party sitting on my toilet.”
  – Tamra, [34:41]

• On Group Divisions:

  “It’s just her and Meredith on it on an island by themselves. The way I see it.”
  – Tamra, [62:48]

• On ‘Digger’ Insults:

  “Digger. And I’m like, wait a minute. So if you’re watching a TikTok… that’s not digging for information.”
  – Dolores, [60:11]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [05:32] Tagline Recap
• [09:36] Lisa’s Business & Lawsuit Drama
• [17:42] Bronwyn & Todd: Parent Caregiving Tension
• [21:39] Friendship Authenticity on Housewives
• [24:33] Bronwyn & Mom: Family and Finances
• [28:21] Family Drama vs. Fights: What Fans Want
• [41:00] Lisa’s A-team, Shooting Range & Lunch
• [45:01] "Dismissed" Lawsuits on Posters at Lisa’s Party
• [49:59] Lisa & Bronwyn Argument Dynamics
• [54:13] Meredith Under Attack for Loyalty
• [56:17] Angie v. Lisa: The "Jen Shah" Comparison
• [60:11] TikTok, Social Media, and Digging
• [64:28] Fan Comments and Housewife Loyalty

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Tone, Style & Takeaways

The conversation is sharp, sassy, and full of real Housewife insights. The hosts balance playful ribbing (“You’re going to take care of me… or you’re dead to me”) with thoughtful commentary on family, friendship, and fame. Viewers are reminded that Housewives isn’t just about the drama—it's also about evolving relationships, real-life struggles, and what happens when you let the cameras roll on anything and anyone.

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Final Thoughts

• Dolores and Tamra agree—this was a solid, entertaining RHOSLC episode with a rich mix of drama and family.
• Loyalty, authenticity, and quick comebacks are the currency of Housewifery.
• Senior women in cast bring gravitas—and relatable mess.
• Teddi is away undergoing immunotherapy; the hosts wish her well and send positive vibes.

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[Dolores]

Hey guys. Welcome back to another episode of Two Teas in a Pod with myself and Dolores. Good morning, Dolores.

[Tamara]

How are you? Well, it's afternoon for me. What time is.

[Dolores]

It's 11 o'.

[Tamara]

Clock.

[Dolores]

I've already left. Went to Ava's school. She had picture day, so yeah, it was really cute. And then came home and here we are.

[Tamara]

Well, you know, I know you. You're an early riser and your day is. This is like 5 o' clock in the afternoon.

[Dolores]

Well, that's why. Yeah, 5 o'.

[Tamara]

Clock. I'm done. No, done. You're done at 5.

[Dolores]

I've already eaten dinner by 4:30. I'm in bed by 8 o'.

[Tamara]

Clock. I love that. You know what I love about you? When I know I'm going to see you or we're going out. I know it's early.

[Dolores]

It's going to be an early night, baby.

[Tamara]

And I can't ask for more than that in a friend. That's all. That's all I asked for.

[Dolores]

Yeah, well, Salt Lake City, boy, do they deliver, right?

[Tamara]

Who knew Salt Lake City would be what they are now?

[Dolores]

I mean, never thought it was going to be this good.

[Tamara]

What turned it? Is it our boy Luke that turns it around? Probably. Luke do anything? He's a. A master producer. But I mean he got them off.

[Dolores]

The ground, that's for sure. I know he got them on Orange county now, so. But it's, it's really always been good from the very beginning.

[Tamara]

I, I did watch it, so I know I'm not like a big. Back then, I wasn't a big watcher of everything and I always kind of watched this. But I think it's just getting better every year. I give them credit. I. There are some surprises this Season, though. Well, this is a surprise.

[Dolores]

Angie's a surprise.

[Tamara]

Yeah.

[Dolores]

Isn't she? Yeah, she. She's the one that's getting more daring and daring every season.

[Tamara]

That's what she likes her job. She likes what she does. Right.

[Dolores]

Well, let's start. The taglines were released this week, so let's go ahead. We'll do every other one. Okay. I'll do Heather.

[Tamara]

Okay.

[Dolores]

Heather's is. My nest is almost empty, and this bird is ready to soar.

[Tamara]

That's basic.

[Dolores]

Yeah, pretty basic. I didn't. I didn't love all of them.

[Tamara]

Meredith. This is cute, though. This is cute. While you drop lies, I'm dropping the beat.

[Dolores]

Yeah, because she's like a DJ now, right?

[Tamara]

And guess who else should we divulge? Dorinda Medley.

[Dolores]

Dorinda Medley is. Does she have a stage name?

[Tamara]

Is it on the. On the invite she sent? I don't know.

[Dolores]

Mrs. Medley?

[Tamara]

I don't know.

[Dolores]

She doesn't drop in the Medley. But she's got the perfect last name. Medley. Like, I feel like.

[Tamara]

Oh, right, right. You're good. That's pretty good. But, yeah, no, that's interesting. So. Yeah.

[Dolores]

So, Bronwyn, if my closet had skeletons, at least they'd be well dressed.

[Tamara]

Cute.

[Dolores]

Yeah.

[Tamara]

She comes up with the craziest outfits. The hot dog one was over the top for me.

[Dolores]

Did you watch. Watch what Happens Live last night? I didn't watch it, but I saw clips. But whoever the guest was, it was like an NFL guy or something he was making for outfits.

[Tamara]

He was. That's.

[Dolores]

Andy wasn't having it. And he wasn't having it.

[Tamara]

He likes her.

[Dolores]

He does. And he's. He was very protective of his housewife. He's like, where does she get these in Salt Lake City? And he's like, no, I think that they're shipped to her. Yes. Yes. Yeah.

[Tamara]

So, Angie, I'm Greek, and the rest are just a tragedy.

[Dolores]

What? I didn't understand that one because there's a lot of.

[Tamara]

In Greek. Greek mythology, like, tragic stories.

[Dolores]

Oh, I get it now.

[Tamara]

I think. I mean, that makes sense. Who am I to talk about Greek mythology, but.

[Dolores]

Right.

[Tamara]

Yeah.

[Dolores]

So, Whitney, at first when I read it, I didn't think it was that great. But then when I heard her, you know, say it, I was like, okay. Roses are redheads, violets are blue. Don't come for me or I'll come for you.

[Tamara]

Thoughts? It's okay. No, it's good. Well, it. It doesn't pertain to her storyline this season. It actually. Episode three that we are going to talk about that she's being called a redhead or something. What did Lisa insult?

[Dolores]

Is that an insult?

[Tamara]

Yeah. It wasn't said in a loving tone.

[Dolores]

Yeah, yeah. And her daughter has red hair, so I, I thought that that was kind of a really low blow.

[Tamara]

Yeah. She went after her hair color, so. So of all things, maybe they carry it through. Maybe she carries the offense through the season. I guess so if it's in her tagline.

[Dolores]

Yeah.

[Tamara]

Oh, wait, she was bullied for it.

[Dolores]

Her daughter was.

[Tamara]

Was it her daughter that was bullied or her. Her. Oh, her daughter was.

[Dolores]

Her daughter was bullied.

[Tamara]

So redheads have never had it easy.

[Dolores]

No. I remember one year, Sophia's dad made her cut bangs and she didn't want him and she was so upset about it when she was younger. So I cut bangs, See?

[Tamara]

And that's what. Why Whitney dyed her hair red, because her daughter was getting bullied for having red hair. And you know what? If Lisa didn't know that, if she did know it, that was just not a good thing to go for. And if she didn't know it, I mean, there's a lot of things you can call people. I mean, whatever. I, I mean, it's, it's. I feel any time bullying is a factor of anything, it makes me actually want to throw up because it's so sad.

[Dolores]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Tamara]

Mary. Or Mary.

[Dolores]

I know.

[Tamara]

I'm just here to eat, drink, and be merry. They don't really put a lot of thought in these things.

[Dolores]

No, but it's kind of. I mean, it's cute.

[Tamara]

Fitting. It's fitting. Mary loves to eat. She likes to eat. What is it? Fish fillet or something? Remember, every year, like she's got her McDonald's. She has to.

[Dolores]

Now, Lisa. I don't go low. I go the distance.

[Tamara]

You know, that's good. I think that's good. Yeah.

[Dolores]

Short, sweet, to the point.

[Tamara]

I can't believe this. This episode.

[Dolores]

I mean, just like this episode with her. Short, not so sweet. To the point. But it starts off where Lisa's preparing for her party. Lisa explains that when you're running a business and doing big, cool things, at some point you're going to get sued. Now, there's always that saying, you know, there's. When you own a business, it's the price you pay.

[Tamara]

You.

[Dolores]

You're going to get sued.

[Tamara]

It's true.

[Dolores]

Now, what you're getting sued for is a whole different situation if you're doing shady things or something.

[Tamara]

Well, you're a business owner.

[Dolores]

Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, it's the price of owning a business.

[Tamara]

The price of doing business or owning a business. I get that, but she dropped some big names.

[Dolores]

I know, I know.

[Tamara]

You know, she always says she's got a team. She's got a private investigator team. She's got six lawyers. She's got security. Call security, Call my security team. Like, she's always calling on her teams. She's got a lot of teams. What? Forgive me. What is it she does?

[Dolores]

She has a tequila line.

[Tamara]

Okay, Besides that. Because that doesn't call for a private investigating firm attached to it and a law firm and everything else. It's just the tequila.

[Dolores]

I, I, that's it. I don't know. I only know the tequila. That's the only thing she really talks about.

[Tamara]

Right. I just got Angie's tequila in the mail. Anybody know, like, do they have rights?

[Dolores]

I got mine.

[Tamara]

Businesses, yes.

[Dolores]

They're not. Lisa's not happy about it at all. There was some, like, exchanges through social media that were not so friendly.

[Tamara]

Was it after the season?

[Dolores]

It was just like last month.

[Tamara]

Okay, so, so this launched last month and.

[Dolores]

Okay, now, do you think that Lisa sounds a little too braggy when she talks?

[Tamara]

Yeah, of course I do. Yes. I mean, who wouldn't? It is. It is an absolute fact.

[Dolores]

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[Tamara]

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[Dolores]

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[Tamara]

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[Dolores]

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[Tamara]

She has two, right?

[Dolores]

I don't know. So she owns multiple business.

[Tamara]

So she has an older son. Yes. The younger son went to Columbia, remember, as a mission. He went on his mission trip to Columbia. And the older son?

[Dolores]

I think the older son. Didn't the older son go on the mission?

[Tamara]

It was the younger son. I thought. Anyway.

[Dolores]

But if you're. Whatever it is, if you're going. Yeah, now. Okay, so let's move on. So Bronwyn and Todd go to lunch. This was a very awkward lunch between the two of them. They talk.

[Tamara]

Always awkward between them.

[Dolores]

It's very awkward. They talk about, you know, the parents, her parents, health struggles.

[Tamara]

Yeah.

[Dolores]

And both the parents had moved in originally to their house, but the father is now in a home for Alzheimer's.

[Tamara]

Which is very, very sad. And there's no cure for that. There's no help. And I know that Wreaks havoc on a family and a child. Of the person going through that because they forget who they are.

[Dolores]

I couldn't imagine dealing with that. That's got to be so difficult.

[Tamara]

It's so difficult. And now she has her mother who had a brain. Had brain surgery. But she's healing well. But, you know, Todd is always very monotone and dry. However, he gives her a very good life.

[Dolores]

He does give her a very good life. However, like, she even said, you didn't want my parents to move in. Like that was quite obvious.

[Tamara]

My parents are moving in. Everybody on my block is moving. If they need me, my dogs are gonna piss and shit all over your house. And you're gonna fucking pay me.

[Dolores]

And you're gonna love it.

[Tamara]

Big salary to live with you. If I'm giving somebody older my youth, I don't. You're going to take care of me.

[Dolores]

But also, it's family. Like, my mom has moved in and out with me and Eddie. She's moved. She lived in the casita, then she moved out, then she moved back. And we don't. He's never had a problem with it.

[Tamara]

Here's the thing. Families, family. And if you're with someone and they decide that they are going to be a caretaker of their family, that comes with the territory. And that's a conversation that needs to be had before you marry someone.

[Dolores]

Do you think Todd is intimidating or is just.

[Tamara]

She seems intimidated by.

[Dolores]

Not very nice.

[Tamara]

So early on when he first came on the scene. She hasn't been a housewife that long. I think this is her second or third season. She seemed very subservient to him and very intimidated by him when he spoke to her.

[Dolores]

Well, he didn't speak to her in a very nice tone ever.

[Tamara]

Right.

[Dolores]

Ever.

[Tamara]

I don't want to pass total judgment on him because maybe that's just his way. And if she decides to love him and be with him. And guess what? He didn't want her parents there. But they were there.

[Dolores]

But yeah. Yeah. I'm confused. Like last season at the reunion, he came out and said that he kind of saw how he was treating her. And so we'll see. This is only the first time we've seen him. Right. So let's see how the rest of the season goes.

[Tamara]

It's the first time. And you know what? You, me, all of us, once we see each other on camera, there's things we may want to change about ourselves that we wouldn't have known unless we saw ourselves doing.

[Dolores]

Absolutely. Now, Todd doesn't Think Bronwyn should forgive Lisa, which, you know, I don't think that's good advice. Especially on a housewife show like we've talked about a million times. It's conflict and resolution. If you're going to ice somebody out or not be friends with them, it doesn't make, as you know from Jersey, it doesn't make good tv.

[Tamara]

Preaching to the choir, hun. Right. I'll tell you this. He doesn't care about Housewives. He has a lot of money. She doesn't need to work, she doesn't need this. And he was not happy about this from the beginning. So I don't think when he's given her advice, he's thinking about the longevity of her housewife career. She's thinking about that. Well, he's not.

[Dolores]

She's being set up to leave him. She's going to be financially independent if she stays on Housewives, not like how he provides for her.

[Tamara]

You forget it's different. The pay is different from when you started. Tamara, probably.

[Dolores]

Yeah.

[Tamara]

She will not be financially. She'd have to be on 10 years before she could be financially independent with that lifestyle. Not happening.

[Dolores]

Yeah, it's not going to happen. That life cycle. No. Now, Lisa and Bronwyn both have two different versions of their friendship. So they said prior to the show. Bronna makes it seem like they were like best friends and Lisa makes it sound like they were just acquaintances. There's just such a big disconnect that happened on my show when they brought Jenna. Well, yeah, it happened to me. Like, don't say you're my best friend. That's not true. So I'm curious to see. Like, I wish they would touch down on that. Like, were they really that good of friends? I mean, going out four times, probably not. I don't think so either.

[Tamara]

But, you know, they. That that person that's been brought on by the other person but so brought Lisa bringing kind of Bronwyn on as her friend. That person's like, so desperate to say, but we're really friends. Like, you can't get rid of me because we weren't really friends. Like, guess what? News flash. Most times people aren't that close when they come on the show, they become close. I don't.

[Dolores]

I wouldn't want, like a super close best friend to come on the show with me.

[Tamara]

Hashtag, Portia and Shamia, they were real friends. History. Mothers were friends. They have, like, pictures going back 30 years ago. They're not friends anymore.

[Dolores]

Their moms were friends. Yeah, that's Sad that that's a hard thing about this show is that you are, you know, paid to call people out and say things. And when you have a really good friend that you've had for 20, 30 years and you bring them on the show, you either going to do one or two things, you're going to know every skeleton. If you get in a fight, it's going to come out, or you're not going to ever want to have any conflict with them ever.

[Tamara]

Which is also very frustrating.

[Dolores]

Yeah.

[Tamara]

Hard.

[Dolores]

So, like, if I had one of my best friends come on the show, of course I don't want stuff like that coming out.

[Tamara]

Of course. Look at that nice friend that you brought to dinner the other night. I don't want to mention her. Jackie. Okay. I don't know if you want me to mention her name. Look at Jackie. You and Jackie. She's the sweetest person in the world.

[Dolores]

She is.

[Tamara]

Chances of you and her getting in a fight if she comes on the show are.

[Dolores]

No, but I wouldn't. I just don't. She's so, like, we travel together.

[Tamara]

She's so nice.

[Dolores]

Her son calls Eddie Uncle Eddie because they're both into motocross. And yeah, Eddie doesn't have a, you know, a biological son, but he's. Johnny's only like 12 years old. And so she, you know, he, you know, goes writing with him and he. Johnny text me the other day and asked him for advice about the stock market.

[Tamara]

Oh, that's so adorable. See, now that could all be gone to shit.

[Dolores]

I know. I don't want that. I would not want that.

[Tamara]

But it happened. It happens. So we don't know. It doesn't matter if they were close or not. You're on the show together. You're cast, your friends on the show, and that's. It doesn't matter what you were before. You're gonna make or break. That's it.

[Dolores]

Now Ronwin's house, over at Robin's house, she has a conversation with her mom. All I could see is those big, giant doors in her house.

[Tamara]

Huge, huge.

[Dolores]

I'm like, are they three stories high? How do you open that door?

[Tamara]

That's.

[Dolores]

I'm weird like that. I get hyper focused on the doors, so I'm like, what the heck? So she's talking with their mom. Her mom makes. The house is amazing. The mom makes a comment about Bronwyn needing Todd to help her financially. I mean, she's not lying.

[Tamara]

Mom was a little hard on her. She said, this isn't the first time my mom's been hard on me. It was. That was hard for me to watch. I'm not gonna lie.

[Dolores]

It was tough. It was tough. Like, I felt like, what's going on here? Like, there's a huge disconnect between them.

[Tamara]

There was something. But I will tell you this, on the heels of anything talking about Bronwyn, I need to say I think she's extremely bright, and I don't think she needs anybody for any fucking thing. I think she's so smart. She speaks unbelievably well. She is nobody's fool. And, you know, I have a lot of faith in wherever her life takes her, she'll do just fine.

[Dolores]

Well, you know, I don't. It's kind of scary having your parents on the show because you just never know what's gonna come out of their mouth.

[Tamara]

Yeah, I know. Well, thank God they don't really showcase my family that much. I'm one of five, and I'm very, very, very close with my family. And most things that I've had, they've cut out with my dad and my. My mom a little bit here and there, which people love my mom, but, you know, my brother and sisters, I never forced them to be shown. If they wanted them, they'd be there. But you know what? If you're not asking for them, I'm not going to drag them into this.

[Dolores]

Now my brothers don't film anymore. My mom filmed this season, and last season she got cut out both times. Sorry, Mom.

[Tamara]

I love when my dad goes to garage sales and tells people he's got to leave because he's going to film.

[Dolores]

Oh, that's my mom. My mom literally will go into CVS and somebody will talk to her and she'll be like, do you know that my daughter is on the house?

[Tamara]

Mom.

[Dolores]

Mom, stop. Or we'll be out together. She lives in Arizona now, but we will be out together. And someone will say, you look familiar. And she's like, oh, yeah, my daughter. And I'm like, mom, stop.

[Tamara]

Oh, my God. My father in Rhode island was telling people to come off their porch to come down and take pictures with me. They didn't ask for it. My dad. Chill.

[Dolores]

Our parents are just proud.

[Tamara]

They're proud, and it's sweet, but it is not easy having your parents on the show. But, you know, we're. We're. This is very relatable. Like, these are real life issues, and it's.

[Dolores]

Yeah.

[Tamara]

Getting on the show at our age. See what I. They're not young housewives. I. I'm not. The housewives that we're seeing are, are seasoned women who are going through real life things at ages that people watch and relate to. So I like to see a more groomed, seasoned woman on a show.

[Dolores]

So do I.

[Tamara]

Just saying nothing against the younger housewives.

[Dolores]

I don't want to watch a 30 year old housewife with little teeny kids. I just, it's just as me. I want to see Broadway, the Dorindas. You know what I mean?

[Tamara]

I want to see the Tamras, the Dorindas, the Luanns.

[Dolores]

Yes.

[Tamara]

The Dolores, the people that.

[Dolores]

Kids are grown.

[Tamara]

Kids are grown. And I don't mind one young housewife. I don't. But I, I want to have a mix. As much as this is very sad to see. It's. It's a watch. It's like worth watching. And then, you know, then we have.

[Dolores]

Let me ask you a question. Do people tune in to watch personal story like about your family or kids, whatever. Or do they watch because they like all the arguing like a porn.

[Tamara]

So you're not watching the porn for the storyline. You just wait for the money shot.

[Dolores]

Good way of putting it out there. I mean, maybe a mix of little things.

[Tamara]

No, it's a good mix. I'm, I'm not watching for the fights. If I never saw another fight in my fucking life, I'd be good. I'm from New Jersey.

[Dolores]

I'm never in a fight again.

[Tamara]

If I'm never at. You too. If you're never in another fight again. I don't, I don't like to see what they're going through, but I, I like the relationship they have to see with their parents no matter how it is. Because I come from family. Family is very big for me and I, I like that. I liked watching. It could be boring if I had to watch it all the time.

[Dolores]

Yeah, I felt like this first half of the episode was all about family stuff. And sometimes you're like, okay, whatever. But the mom, Roman's mom makes another jab at her when she says mom.

[Tamara]

Was hitting below to listen. Sign her up. Bronwyn's mom, housewife of the. She should be holding the snowflake at this point. Yeah.

[Dolores]

She said how Brahman will need to take care of Todd soon. Like her dad.

[Tamara]

I just went my pants.

[Dolores]

I'm like, oh my God. Do you think she meant it to be mean or. It's just, she's just a.

[Tamara]

Mom's on check, Mom's unfiltered. And you know what? Mom, I like mom. I like her Mom, I do like her.

[Dolores]

She scares me a little bit, but I like her. She's got. She's that mom. I think that has something to say about everything. Is.

[Tamara]

Is this.

[Dolores]

Is this soda cold? Is that outfit this? Is this.

[Tamara]

That.

[Dolores]

This.

[Tamara]

My mom.

[Dolores]

That's one thing about my mom. Nothing. Nothing. Everything I do is great. Maybe that's my problem. Everything I do is great in her eyes. She never tries to change anything or my question me.

[Tamara]

Yeah, no, my mother's the same. My mother's. I caught. My mother's My therapist. Of course, I can't talk to her about everything.

[Dolores]

Right.

[Tamara]

My mom is very, very bright. Like I said, she didn't finish high school. And she's very kind, and she's very compassionate, and she lets me even sometimes be mean because I'm going through something. And Bronwyn seems like she's. You know, and it may. You know, maybe that is understanding why she's with someone. And she was able to handle the way Todd spoke to her because her mom seems to speak to her in the same way.

[Dolores]

Well, we're a product of our environment, that's for sure. So if that's what she's used to.

[Tamara]

Then whatever Bronwyn got her to, who she is is all worth it. So thank your mom.

[Dolores]

Well, I think it was just the school of hard knocks. You know, as an. As somebody that was a teen mom myself, like, it's not an easy lifestyle. No, no, You. You're no longer a kid. You're not. You know, you're lucky if you're going to be able to go to college. You now have an infant.

[Tamara]

Yeah, she's been through it, Bronwyn. She's been through it. And I think there's a very big security with Todd that's very important to her. And you know what? That doesn't. Nothing's for free.

[Dolores]

How old is Todd and how old is Bronwyn? Do we know anybody's not 50?

[Tamara]

She's in her 40s. Chat.

[Dolores]

She's. Ron was young.

[Tamara]

She's young. She's younger than 39.

[Dolores]

She's 39.

[Tamara]

See? And I only say she was in her 40s only because of the way she acts, not because she looks older. She's a.

[Dolores]

She's very mature.

[Tamara]

Yeah.

[Dolores]

And then her husband is 65.

[Tamara]

Okay, well, you know what? Her lifestyle isn't for free, and neither is his. And that's a good way. They both have to pay up for it. So if she wants to bring her family into the house, then so be.

[Dolores]

Bring your Family into your house, sweetie.

[Tamara]

It looks like there's enough room.

[Dolores]

I was just gonna say that, that, I mean, we can all, we can all go then.

[Tamara]

I don't think anybody's getting in anybody's way. No.

[Dolores]

Now Angie goes over to Heather's house, which she's doing some little remodeling, painting, and she's got her jumpsuit on, painting. And Heather admits that she did hide at Amy's party to not be involved in the argument. Angie tells Heather she's getting her Greek citizen citizenship, but her daughter Electra doesn't care, which I could see that Angie talks a lot about being Greek.

[Tamara]

A lot. Electra's like, who even are you? Enough with the Greek stuff already.

[Dolores]

Like, she's, she's like, I, like we weren't born in Greece. Like, I could see like my daughter going, yeah, whatever, I don't care.

[Tamara]

My daughter.

[Dolores]

Why are you so into it?

[Tamara]

Yeah, my daughter does a lot worse to me for a lot less than that. So. Daughters are hard on us. I've said that before, you know.

[Dolores]

Yes, they are. I know that for a fact.

[Tamara]

They are hard on us. And I learned from my mother, sometimes you have to allow that, especially during those hormonal years that her daughter is. She got big. Her daughter. Her daughter grew up on the show. She was a baby when they started, it seemed like. And yeah, her daughter's like, enough. You know what? I laughed at it.

[Dolores]

I feel like Angie's got a bit of a hard on for Lisa and anything and everything she can find to talk about or she does now. She says that Lisa post an AI photo in her hotel rooms.

[Tamara]

Okay, let me.

[Dolores]

I wouldn't even know what an AI photo is.

[Tamara]

Photoshopped, right? It's Photoshop. So let me ask you.

[Dolores]

But not like Facetune. It's like, does that mean, like, you super important.

[Tamara]

She's actually like, remember Teresa and Marsa were on the beach. They put it. But it was about.

[Dolores]

Okay, yeah, okay.

[Tamara]

That's what she means.

[Dolores]

Well, why doesn't Lisa ever have photos of these celebrities that she's constantly bragging about?

[Tamara]

Maybe they don't want it. I, I'm not saying she's not with them because there's no photos. Who is she to be posting photos with her clients? That's kind of like cheesy, you know?

[Dolores]

Well, she says at her party there was going to be all kinds of these celebrities there. We didn't see one of them. Or was that for another party coming up? I'm confused. Was she talking about Another party.

[Tamara]

First of all, when Lisa's setting up for her parties, it's like, okay, move the table to the left. Every time she sets up for her parties, I'm like, what's up? I could, I could do this party sitting on my toilet. Like, this isn't like a fucking New Jersey party. I've. I've had Irish dancers.

[Dolores]

What's a New Jersey party?

[Tamara]

Remember? Well, I, you know, I have flowers over the top. Like remember the finale here when, when Jenny and, and Margaret killed each other there and I had a drag around and she was drooling.

[Dolores]

I had not drooling.

[Tamara]

Jen was, Jen was actually salivating.

[Dolores]

She was probably foaming at the mouth.

[Tamara]

She was foaming, she was foaming. And there was going on everywhere. But I had a. I had Irish dancers from Ireland greeting people when they walked in. Actors, flowers over the top. I mean, you're walking into an already set up place. I don't see any decorations. Really. It's not like, okay, the bar is good and they show the bar and there's okay, there's liquor on the shelf. Okay, it's good. Like, nothing against Lisa, but that's just not like, where's the food? Where's the caterer? Caterers from Ireland. You know, I.

[Dolores]

You come to my house and you're gonna get fake flowers and.

[Tamara]

No, it wasn't fake flowers. I had premier events by Rima with flowers from Ireland. Like I had. Yeah, that's just one of my parties, my tablescapes. Premiere events by Lena. Like I. Flowers hanging off the ceiling. So for me, I mean, Margaret throws a party, Lawrence Scott event shows up. I mean there is. It's just not my idea. Like I. What are you doing, Lisa? You move the table 3 inches.

[Dolores]

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[Dolores]

Well, this is, I'm going to call it some camera work that just happened in this episode. So we go from Heather and Angie at Heather's house painting, and within seconds it jumps in to Lisa at the shooting range with Heather. I'm like, it's just like. I'm like, wait, this is confused. Like, there was no setup for it. There was no nothing.

[Tamara]

It wasn't Lisa saying, yeah, it wasn't.

[Dolores]

Even like Heather saying, oh, I gotta get going. I'm. I'm. I have to go shoot guns at the shooting range with Lisa. So I'm like, wait, what? That was weird. So Lisa only invited Amy, which we're getting to know Amy now. So I'm assuming Amy's a friend of.

[Tamara]

I don't know.

[Dolores]

Or she's not. She's actually not. I'm hearing.

[Tamara]

And her title, is it Socialite?

[Dolores]

Socialite who? Yeah. So Meredith, Mary, and Heather, they go shooting. Lisa claims that this is the right group to let off some steam before she blows things up at lunch. And then Heather asks, where's everyone? Where everybody was. And Lisa explains that she only invited the A team and the D team will be at lunch. Now, this is Lisa. Lisa, Lisa, Lisa. This is why the girls feel Lisa thinks she's above them. Okay, well, because she does stuff like this.

[Tamara]

Guess what? After this lunch, this girl drops out. Probably the socialite. She's like that.

[Dolores]

She's like, what did I sign up for?

[Tamara]

Yeah, I ain't signing up for this. I don't need this. And I ain't doing it because most socialites have money. So she's not in it for the money.

[Dolores]

Right.

[Tamara]

So I'm going to say that I think it's funny actually, the way Lisa goes on. I think she's hysterical and she's so well liked. She gets a lot of business outside of the show. Whatever Lisa's doing. Lisa's.

[Dolores]

She does. She gets commercials, Wendy's commercials. Bravo uses her for.

[Tamara]

It's everything.

[Dolores]

Advertising.

[Tamara]

And outside of that, she gets endorsements up her.

[Dolores]

She does.

[Tamara]

She is.

[Dolores]

And she is. She's a good housewife like commodity. I asked a lot of questions like I asked on my social media, you know, what do you think about last night's episode? And some people were just hating on Lisa.

[Tamara]

I like camera today. Yeah.

[Dolores]

But if we didn't have somebody like them, these shows, like, what would we be watching?

[Tamara]

They hate.

[Dolores]

They hate dry.

[Tamara]

No, no. Yeah. Like the family drama with the parents isn't enough. So. So, yeah, we need a Lisa. And you know, they, they love. What is it? They love to hate her.

[Dolores]

Yeah. I mean, Lisa, you either accept Lisa for who she is or just don't be her friend.

[Tamara]

Let me tell you, the confidence. I wish I had this.

[Dolores]

You mean the blind confidence?

[Tamara]

The pinky now. I wish I had this much. Elisa's confidence.

[Dolores]

She's got a lot of confidence.

[Tamara]

Not that I'm not a confident part. No, it's not confidence. I'm confident. What would it be?

[Dolores]

Arrogance.

[Tamara]

Arrogance. No. Self loving.

[Dolores]

She's just. She's just overly complimentary of herself. She loves it. She loves herself.

[Tamara]

I could watch her all day. And the other thing about Lisa is, I've heard a story like. So she walked in to an event she was sponsoring and there was some other people there that were also. And everybody was nervous. They had to get up and speak. They had scripts. Lisa looked at the script for about three seconds, put it down, got up, nailed it. And everybody else was like stumbling on their words.

[Dolores]

I could not do. I can't do that.

[Tamara]

So, you know, she. I feel like she. She doesn't overthink anything. She unraveled at this lunch. She's absolutely unhinged. But she probably.

[Dolores]

I thought it was hilarious. I thought it was.

[Tamara]

Probably went home and went shopping on the computer. Like, I mean, that's what I think. That's really what I think.

[Dolores]

The girls walk into Lisa's lunch and there's legal documents stamped with dismissed. I mean, they're on big poster boards, they're all over the room. Ronald walks in and she's like, this is the dumbest thing I've ever seen. Posters are Childish. I mean, they get the point across. Right. I personally like to print things out because trying to scroll through my phone and find it, my eyes are so bad if I have my readers on, I can't see. So I like to print things out and be like, see here. But taking it to the next level of putting on a poster board is, is something.

[Tamara]

Well, at least I could see it. Well, Mary couldn't.

[Dolores]

She could not see it. She was concerned with the quality of the posters saying they're too blurry.

[Tamara]

And it wasn't. It was clear as day. Because I could see it from the watching it on my tv. Right. I was on my phone and I could.

[Dolores]

Oh, you still saw it?

[Tamara]

And I still saw. And she's like, this is blurry and it's not good. Like, of all the things to say, she's worried about if it's blurry.

[Dolores]

But what, what are your thoughts about Lisa doing this? I mean, obviously, it's great tv. I, I, I'm glad she did it. But what are your thoughts? Because a lot of the people there, like Angie, Angie asked if Lisa just invited them to read the comment, the documents. And Lisa's like, yeah, I did.

[Tamara]

Yeah.

[Dolores]

You guys want to accuse me of. I'm going to show you.

[Tamara]

Honestly, Lisa doesn't strike me as somebody that would be on TV and owe all this money. I. Do you think? I don't know.

[Dolores]

I think that she got herself. But here's the thing. This is all business stuff. It's not like she's doing some personal, personal, like, crazy things. Like, I just feel like, really, like you're gonna go after these girls are going after her hard about her.

[Tamara]

Yeah.

[Dolores]

It's not like she's, I, I might be wrong, but it's like she scammed somebody out of money or.

[Tamara]

I don't think that's what it is. But they seem to be like, has she gone after them?

[Dolores]

Probably.

[Tamara]

Is this, is this retribution? Like, is this them getting back at her? I feel like there's a really visceral dislike for her across the cast.

[Dolores]

Yeah, well, I mean, she brought up the Bronwyn didn't buy the necklace, but.

[Tamara]

I think that's what happens live. I was watching it when she did that.

[Dolores]

Yeah, it's petty stuff. That's petty. Bronwyn didn't buy the necklace, but that.

[Tamara]

Was big to me. It was embarrassing. It was.

[Dolores]

Don't come on a reality show and lie. Don't try to be something you're not on these shows. This is what drives me crazy when you can't pay your rent, and you're getting evicted, and you don't have any money, and you're showing up with designer labels, something sketchy.

[Tamara]

Well, here's the thing.

[Dolores]

Sketchy.

[Tamara]

Don't insult Bravo fans. Don't insult the viewers. Don't insult the Bravo family, because they will take you down if you came out and said, I lost everything. And that's why it was a bad time. I had to bring the necklace back. We lost money. They'd rather hear that than you try to give some bullshit excuse. They don't like to be lied to. Our. Our people in the Bravo world hate liars.

[Dolores]

Well, saying that you're buying a $4 million necklace when you're not. It's not like, I bought this necklace. It was $200, $4 million, and it's a lie. But. But it's a lie. I don't like that. I mean, she did, like, fall on her sword and be like, yeah, she's above that. Listen, I got. I got caught up in it. And, I mean, she admitted to it, but just say, no, I didn't get it. It was just too extravagant or too expensive and whatever.

[Tamara]

Justify keeping it to be honest, and that's it. And fine.

[Dolores]

Well, the girls are asking Lisa, like, you know, questions about her legal case, and the only thing that Lisa could say was, either fuck off or it's been dismissed. And it's like, if you brought everybody there and you want to talk about this, then you should fully be transparent and have some facts to back it up. Because to this day, we don't know why she has these lawsuits. We don't know.

[Tamara]

Let me just say this. I'm just gonna throw it out there. Might not be right to say, maybe she don't fucking know. How many people that own a business on this show really don't know the business that well, doesn't really know the backstory of it all.

[Dolores]

Yeah, yeah. I think it all comes down to if you have business partners, too.

[Tamara]

That's what I'm saying. Like, there's a few companies here. Does she really know the. The logistics of all of this stuff that everyone's talking about? Probably not.

[Dolores]

Probably not. Probably not.

[Tamara]

So she knows dismissed. That's all she knows.

[Dolores]

She only knows dismiss. So prominent. And Lisa began arguing about the fight from Amy's party. I just feel like Ron really gets under Lisa's skin like nobody else. She's that person just bugs her.

[Tamara]

You know why? Because Bronwyn can now talk a lot of people.

[Dolores]

She's Smart. And those are the most dangerous ones.

[Tamara]

And Bronwyn doesn't lose her cool.

[Dolores]

And very often. And she's got away with her words, though.

[Tamara]

She has a very. She's. She's very sharp and she's very witty and she's quick on her feet. And like I said, she's nobody's fool. She's nobody's slouch. And when another housewife cannot. Cannot come back with that type of wording, you know, the articulate things, that way they lose their cool.

[Dolores]

That's me.

[Tamara]

They wind up swallowing their tongue like Hannibal Lecter.

[Dolores]

That is me.

[Tamara]

Hannibal.

[Dolores]

Honestly.

[Tamara]

So I've said this before. Another. This is Hannibal Lecter. Bronwyn's Hannibal Lecter. And this is. And. And Lisa's the guy that bites her tongue off. If she keeps it going, she needs to get a hold of herself.

[Dolores]

I'm the type of person that when I get too heated, no thoughts come to my head. The only thought that comes to my head is, fuck off.

[Tamara]

That's it.

[Dolores]

And then I get so mad that I can't get my words out right.

[Tamara]

And most people do that. And there's always that other housewife on the other end that knows that your weakness and they push you to it. They know they're going to get you. Margaret Joseph is classic for that. I have. She's done it. She does it to me. She did. Well, she did it to me. She. Margaret is. She knows how to find that, like, hole to get the touchdown. You know what I mean? Does that make sense?

[Dolores]

Yeah, totally. Now Bronwyn's upset that Lisa called her a. Lisa says she didn't call her a. But when you say you'd suck dick for money, I'm pretty sure you're calling somebody a. Lisa says Bronwyn is married to a misogynist. And Bronwyn can encounters with. You're the misogynist for implying I suck dick for money. Lisa, great comeback. Yeah, she's getting flustered at this point. Lisa. Is she getting it from all different directions?

[Tamara]

So now this is what really shocked me. So these girls are going. Lisa's going head to head with them. And then Meredith jumps in and they attack Meredith like rabid pit bulls. Like, Meredith gets attacked a lot.

[Dolores]

She does. I love an activated Meredith, though.

[Tamara]

I love the room.

[Dolores]

That I like to see activated. Because it's not their normal character to like yell and scream. And that one is Meredith. The other one is Heather to Bro. Okay, because she doesn't usually lose her cool. But if somebody makes her Mad and she's not prepared or something like that. I love to see that finger wagging and that head shaking. I love it.

[Tamara]

I think she's great TV and that, you know, I like somebody who can hold. I don't like to be on the.

[Dolores]

Other side of it, though.

[Tamara]

No, you don't. Don't be. Nobody wants to be on the other side of when that person snaps. That normal, cool, collected person snaps because it's usually worse than anything, but because you don't expect it.

[Dolores]

Right.

[Tamara]

It's kind of like scary. Blindsided. Very scary. Oh, God. I just unleashed, like, the sleeping dragon, you know, like, this is. But both.

[Dolores]

Both Heather Dbro and Meredith are both smart. So their comebacks are like, whoa, they're sharp.

[Tamara]

Yeah. They're cutting and. Yeah. So. So this. This is a table where I was very shocked that all of a sudden Meredith, who wasn't bothering anybody, gets attacked and they start accusing her of not sticking up for Lisa. And she did. She actually did. She did. She said, like, wait till we're in front of her.

[Dolores]

Let's wait till we see her. Yeah, yeah.

[Tamara]

What else was she supposed to fucking do? What was she actually supposed to do?

[Dolores]

And as a housewife, you can't get into every single fight.

[Tamara]

No, you can't.

[Dolores]

You can't insert yourself into every single fight.

[Tamara]

I don't think she did anything wrong. And by the way, who knows what didn't make the, you know, what got cut out that Meredith said. And by the way, would Lisa be sticking up for Meredith like that? Because when they were all coming for Meredith, I didn't see Lisa jump on that. Be like, shut up. Don't pick on my friend. And. But Lisa. What I did respect with Lisa at the moment is she didn't turn on Meredith for that. Like, she didn't say to Meredith, you should have done this, or I believe them. She goes, I don't believe them. See, that's a good friend. When somebody says that the person who always has your back did something and you're like, yeah, no, somebody this summer accused me of something, and the friend they said it to and it wasn't true. And the friend they said it to said, yeah, well, that's not like Dolores. So I'm going to get up and leave and tell her what you said now. And she did.

[Dolores]

That's a good response.

[Tamara]

And that's the way of.

[Dolores]

I wish one of my castmates would have used that response. And these episodes.

[Tamara]

And that's what. And that girl who did that to me hashtag Liz McGraw will have a friend for life. A fucking friend.

[Dolores]

Loyalty.

[Tamara]

She gave me more than most other people would that I no longer. Instead of just saying, yeah, that's not my. That's not something Dolores would do when, you know, I wouldn't.

[Dolores]

Yeah, yeah. To me, like, loyalty is everything. And I'm struggling this season with a particular cast member because, you know, I've always thought that we were on good terms and I've done a lot of nice things for her, supported her. And then to see her, like, talk such mad about me on the show is very disappointing. It makes me to be like, you're dead to me.

[Tamara]

You're dead. Well, bye. That's what happens.

[Dolores]

Yeah. So Angie and Lisa start arguing about Angie, the. The Jen Shaw of it. All.

[Tamara]

Right.

[Dolores]

So Lisa tells Angie I'm not the one trying to be Jen Shaw, and accuse Angie of using all the same glam as Jen.

[Tamara]

How much glam is really in that area? Like, you know, I don't know. To the same people.

[Dolores]

Yeah. I mean, first of all, I don't think Jen Shaw is using the same glam people right now.

[Tamara]

I don't think so either.

[Dolores]

And I think she's a little glam. A glam free isn't.

[Tamara]

Don't you think? Yeah, she's going all natural right now.

[Dolores]

So these people needed a new, you know, somebody new to work on.

[Tamara]

Yeah, but. No, but Angie said she's been going to her for, like 12 years. 11 or 12 years.

[Dolores]

Does it bother you when castmates use the same glam team as you?

[Tamara]

No, I give them to. No, I give them to them. I'm like, go. But. But if I need you first, you have to do me first.

[Dolores]

Listen, I would take great offense to being called Jen Shaw. She is a criminal. She is in federal prison. If somebody compared me to, you know, I had a lawsuit going on, I wouldn't like that.

[Tamara]

Let me tell you something, Angie. Angie is going to lose her temper, overly lose her temper one day. She's. She's got a spark about her.

[Dolores]

Do you think the girls are trying to cause an issue between Meredith and Lisa by saying Meredith was silent?

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[Dolores]

The rest of the girl is trying. Yeah.

[Tamara]

Don't wait. So let me ask you, do you think that they're very hard on Meredith all the time? Like, why do they pick? I don't ever see Meredith really asking for this.

[Dolores]

Like, I mean, going after people. No, I. I mean, I think this cast in general, they just. They're ruthless. They go after each other constantly, and then they Just move on. The only thing I do like is that they move on quickly.

[Tamara]

That's the way to make a show. That's the way to make a show.

[Dolores]

When you have people that hold grudges forever. Bye. Bye. That housewife. Now, Brittany.

[Tamara]

Yeah, my show.

[Dolores]

Brittany. Trying to find out if the same brow girl that Jared was dming. And I'm like, oh, Brittany, you're here. Sorry, I forgot you were even on this episode. Nobody is paying attention. Nobody cared enough to even question her.

[Tamara]

Poor Britney is sid. She's like, no one ever pays attention to her for anything. I know, it's terrible. Oh, it's so bad. Who's she friends with?

[Dolores]

Her timing is so off on so many things that she says so. And I think that she.

[Tamara]

Whatever happened with that guy, he's just not around anymore.

[Dolores]

He was on last week's episode. He went to a party with her.

[Tamara]

Okay. Yeah, I missed last week. Yeah.

[Dolores]

Now Lisa, you know, she's pissed that everyone's talking about her business, so she's got to run over to, you know, run Whitney over with the bus. And, you know, Whitney says, like, I am unwinding my business. Like, I'm. This is the truth. I'm losing money. I can't do it anymore. And that wasn't good enough for Lisa. Whitney and Lisa start screaming at each other, calling each other liars. Whitney throws her napkin. I thought, oh, I'm such a trend sender, et cetera. I, you know, I was the first one to throw a napkin. I was the first one. Yeah. So Whitney's. Whitney is not happy. She walks out saying Lisa triggered her. Sometimes there's a certain people that just rile you up. I don't blame Whitney. We've all been there. Whitney said the stories about her business are just random tiktoks. Okay. So Lisa goes in and says, I've seen the tiktoks about your business, Whitney. And then it's like, oh, there she goes. She's digging, right?

[Tamara]

Digger.

[Dolores]

Digger. And I'm like, wait a minute. So if you're watching a tick tock and you see something about your castmate, then you're a. You're digging for. That's not digging for information. To me, digging for information is like pulling up court docs and going to somebody's enemy and trying to get information and all that kind of stuff.

[Tamara]

Yeah, yeah. Well, listen, digging is what I feel like ruined was part of what ruined House. Housewives of New Jersey like it.

[Dolores]

Yeah, Just something.

[Tamara]

Stay in the present. Yeah.

[Dolores]

If something's in the press. If something's on Tick Tock, if something's on Instagram, it's the nature of the show.

[Tamara]

Everybody to talk about it and everybody knows it. So if it's out there and another housewife brings it up on camera, how could you be. I understand you got to be mad, but how could you hate her for it? Because it's our job. If it's in the press, it is going to be talked about on camera. Everyone knows that. If you talk about somebody on camera to someone else and that person now has to go and tell the person what you said, don't be mad at the person. You knew what you were doing. You're not an amateur. You're on a show and that's what they have to do.

[Dolores]

That's the nature of this show. And by the way, nowadays we talk more about what's on social media than anything else. Between bloggers and social media and all that stuff, the press, all that, that's just what happens. So I disagree with that. That's not digging. That's watching a Tick Tock.

[Tamara]

That's not.

[Dolores]

And with our algorithm, that's all I get, is Housewife TikToks.

[Tamara]

But. But what was more funny when Lisa was actually. She looked like a ring girl holding up her poster.

[Dolores]

She's a bottle service girl.

[Tamara]

Yeah. Like, what the.

[Dolores]

Oh, she Sparkler. So I think it was a kind of a little bit of a bust in the fact that she brought the posters. She said they're to miss dismissed, but she didn't give any details. And when was asked, none your business. That's what she said. None your business.

[Tamara]

I know, I know. And that kind of defeated the whole purpose. Right. But. But the whole thing was they weren't letting her get away with it. Even if she had the proof and everything behind it. They didn't want it. They didn't care. You know, you can't make somebody like you. They don't like her. I don't know what's going to happen. It's just her and Meredith on it on an island by themselves. The way I see it, right now. Yeah.

[Dolores]

Right now. It is now. Andy, on Watch what happens Life. I saw a clip where they brought. Put up a picture of Lisa in her confessional and she had one eye all smoked out and the other eye, her makeup artist forgot to do the other eye. I did. I did not notice that.

[Tamara]

Did she wipe it off?

[Dolores]

I mean, there. I don't think there's any way you could.

[Tamara]

No. I mean, it was like I'M gonna.

[Dolores]

Right? Yeah, yeah. And so Andy said like, what is going on here? Fans want to know. And she's like, oh, it looks very K pop. And he's like, oh, so you meant to do it?

[Tamara]

She goes, no, not intentional.

[Dolores]

Not intentional.

[Tamara]

No one's doing that intentionally.

[Dolores]

And she, she, she supported her makeup artist. And so, yeah, sometimes, you know, well.

[Tamara]

Listen, she has this love for her makeup. Did you see when she actually passed out because they told her on the trip to that pink hotel last season that she didn't have her own glam and she was literally on the. They had to pick her up off the floor.

[Dolores]

Do you know that she gets glammed every day, even when she does. Yeah, she, she came out and said that. That she has her makeup artist. She's like a salary and she comes every single day to do her makeup for her.

[Tamara]

Why wouldn't she just learn how to do it herself or just go makeup free? She will not.

[Dolores]

I'm normally makeup free.

[Tamara]

I saw her in Bergdorf Goodman one time and she had glasses on and wanted not take them off because she didn't have her makeup done.

[Dolores]

Oh, well, she went out of the house. Okay. So I had a few fan thoughts. Quizzen S says Whitney is a hypocrite. Angie and Bronwyn need to come to terms with the fact they just don't like Lisa.

[Tamara]

Now, Lisa, I think they've come to those terms.

[Dolores]

Yeah, I think they have. Lisa. Leighton Larson says Lisa Barlo is the most self centered housewife ever. And that's saying a lot. Danny, no. 5 says Heather is a double agent.

[Tamara]

Is she?

[Dolores]

I don't think she is. I don't think there's been enough evidence yet. You know, just because you don't always side with somebody or stick up for somebody and you need to get more information on the situation doesn't mean.

[Tamara]

Or maybe you don't do it because you think both people are wrong.

[Dolores]

Yeah.

[Tamara]

Or maybe you shouldn't take a side because when some, when those two people make up, where do you stand? And guess what? The person you stuck up for isn't going to stick up for you back.

[Dolores]

Right, Right, Right.

[Tamara]

Tamara.

[Dolores]

Yeah, I agree.

[Tamara]

Trust me, everybody could say what they want about me. All these years, I always was loyal to my friends. I stood by them. I explained their actions and. And I was good to them. But there were times I didn't get involved with a fight because it wasn't mine. And a lot of housewives don't get involved with fights, and that's okay.

[Dolores]

I'm not that friend that if one of my friends don't like you on the show, I don't like you either.

[Tamara]

Not doing it.

[Dolores]

Not doing it.

[Tamara]

Make my own enemies.

[Dolores]

Yep.

[Tamara]

Yep.

[Dolores]

Well, it was a good episode. Episode three, I think it was.

[Tamara]

I'm looking forward to next week and Miami reunion. Whoa.

[Dolores]

Oh, yes. I can't wait to watch that. Teddy is. For anybody wondering where Teddy is today, she is doing her treatment. She's got her immunotherapy and some scans today. So Dolores is filling in for this next couple episodes.

[Tamara]

The immunotherapy really knocks her out.

[Dolores]

Yeah. So we're just wishing her well.

[Tamara]

Prayers for Teddy.

[Dolores]

Yeah.

[Tamara]

She's so good. So strong.

[Dolores]

So. Okay, guys. Well, thank you for tuning in to another episode of two T's and a Pod.

[Tamara]

Thank you. See you soon.

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