Until Next Time, Atlanta (RHOA Recap)

Summary

Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge

Episode: Until Next Time, Atlanta (RHOA Recap)

Release date: July 29, 2025
Hosts: Teddi Mellencamp & Tamra Judge

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Overview

This episode dives into the dramatic finale and Part 3 reunion recap of The Real Housewives of Atlanta (RHOA) Season 16. Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge—joined for much of the debrief by Dolores—cover the latest headlines, break down friendship dynamics, address rumors for the next season, react to reunion revelations, and give their candid, inside-Housewives take on the cast’s performances and drama. The episode is filled with speculation, laughter, and classic “Two Ts” honesty.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Real-Life Catch-Up and Bravo Events

• [03:37–09:12]
  • Tamra and Dolores share stories from their weekends: relaxing at home, upcoming Bravo events (Bravo Day at the Boston Red Sox game, celebrity softball games for charity).
  • Tamra describes her annual charity softball event, noting it raises money for Maimonides Hospital and supports causes like cancer care:

    “They turn no one away. You could go there and get a mammogram for free.” —Tamra Judge [06:25]

  • Dolores plugs the upcoming Bravo night and hat giveaways, and the crossover of Bravo stars at events.

2. Atlanta Headlines and Cast Shakeups

• [13:12–17:30]
  • Discussion of Kenya Moore’s emotional exit live on YouTube; she’s not returning for Season 17, with two new wives rumored: K. Michelle and Pinky Cole.

    “Maybe you shouldn’t have done that, Kenya… Go out with grace.” —Tamra Judge [14:39]

  • Analyzing Shamia’s heartfelt, cryptic video addressing her castmates—unclear if she’s staying or leaving:

    “Can I tell you, this was a corny attention stunt… I’m so turned off.” —Tamra Judge [16:37] “She did act like she was leaving, and if you’re not, that’s corny.” —Tamra Judge [17:30]

  • Speculation about friendship fallout between Shamia & Portia and the performative nature of Housewives’ social media.

3. Portia & Shamia: Friendship Fractures

• [21:20–31:31]
  • Deep dive into Portia and Shamia’s friendship disintegration, fueled by business betrayal and public shade.
  • Portia alleges Shamia secretly bought her mother’s foreclosed business and didn’t tell her, exacerbating family tension.

    “Buying somebody’s property that’s going in foreclosure is actually a good thing… but the problem is, why didn’t she tell her?” —Dolores [22:12] “If they were close, then I would say… ‘Let me help you out.’ That’s what friends would do.” —Dolores [22:58] “I hate to see them throw away the friendship.” —Dolores [24:07]

  • Recognition that deep, real-life friendships become toxic and magnified by their on-camera setting.

4. Reunion Dynamics and Housewives Realness

• [32:01–36:51]
  • Cynthia Bailey’s peacemaker role called out by Andy Cohen, but the hosts question whether Cynthia truly deserves Kenya’s ire.

    “It’s not in Cynthia’s makeup to have ill intentions. I just don’t like how Cynthia’s being treated by Kenya.” —Tamra Judge [32:01]

  • Drew’s lack of bond with the cast addressed; Tamra and Dolores agree Drew felt isolated (“She was closer to Dennis than anyone else…” —Dolores [33:14]).
  • Ongoing accusations of lying: Drew accused of switching storylines, explained casually (“It just rolls off her tongue… it’s a little almost pathological.” —Dolores [35:20]).

5. Social Etiquette, Off-Camera Friendships & Production Headaches

• [25:54–26:40]
  • The hosts reminisce about how, in earlier Housewives days, cast members were told to avoid off-camera hangouts, as it confused audiences and complicated production.

    “Back in the day, we used to listen… Don’t hang out together off camera.” —Tamra Judge [26:03]

6. Shifts in Alliances and Narrative Power

• [28:29–29:42]
  • Portia claims she always pushed for Shamia to become a Housewife “until she became one,” at which point competitive tension ignited.
  • Praise for Shamia’s “housewifery” and discussion of Portia’s resilience despite her tough season.

7. The Men Join the Reunion — More Drama Unfolds

• [45:44–53:13]
  • Dennis, Charles, and Ralph appear:
    • The Dennis/Portia/Drew business triangle dissected; confusion over texts about payment for studio time.
    • Tamra: “I am still not clear on this.” [47:06]
  • Charles’s relationship with Angela explored, including his cold demeanor—hosts give him partial grace for participating, compared to their own husbands’ reluctance to film.

    “He showed up to the reunion. I don’t know that my husband would show up…” —Dolores [52:25] “When the guys get too involved, it gives me the ick. Shut up, sit down, go away.” —Dolores [53:13]

8. Notable Absences and “Dumb Moves”

• [48:25, 55:35]
  • Questioning why Sheree wasn’t brought back; agreement Charay is a missed star (“Bring Charay back. Period, period, period.” —Tamra Judge [55:51])

9. Final Takeaways & Predictions for Atlanta

• [56:10–58:01]
  • Drew and Portia make peace; Kelly and Brit’s friendship is over; observations on Angela’s strong entrance as a new Housewife.
  • Portia says this was her “most transformative season yet.” [56:56]
  • Hosts predict we’ll see “the Portia we know” next season, and speculate Kenya Moore might return after a season hiatus.

10. Bonus Housewives News (“Off Atlanta”)

• [58:09–59:54]
  • Vicki Gunvalson’s parasite story is dissected with skepticism and humor (“She can’t poop? We all know you’re full of [bleep].” —Dolores [58:49])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On performative exits:

  “Can I tell you, this was a corny attention stunt… I’m so turned off.” —Tamra Judge [16:37]

• On fractured friendships:

  “I hate to see them throw away the friendship.” —Dolores [24:07]

• On reunion dynamics:

  “It’s not in Cynthia’s makeup to have ill intentions. I just don’t like how Cynthia’s being treated…” —Tamra Judge [32:01]

• On lying and Housewifery:

  “It just rolls off her tongue… it’s a little almost pathological.” —Dolores [35:20]

• On husbands and househusbands:

  “When the guys get too involved, it gives me the ick. Shut up, sit down, go away.” —Dolores [53:13]

• On Sheree’s absence:

  “Bring Charay back. Period, period, period.” —Tamra Judge [55:51]

• On Housewives production secrets:

  “Back in the day… Don’t hang out together off camera.” —Tamra Judge [26:03]

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Segment Timestamps

• Week in review, Bravo events: [03:37–09:12]
• RHOA cast shakeups, Kenya & Shamia: [13:12–17:30]
• Portia & Shamia breakdown: [21:20–31:31]
• Reunion, lying accusations, Drew’s season: [32:01–36:51]
• Production etiquette & off-camera friendships: [25:54–26:40]
• Alliance shifts, Shamia as Housewife: [28:29–29:42]
• Men at the reunion, Charles & Angela, Dennis triangle: [45:44–53:13]
• On Sheree/Charay (“dumb move”): [55:35]
• Final season takeaways, predictions: [56:10–58:01]
• Vicki’s parasite story: [58:09–59:54]

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Tone & Style

Breezy, candid, and chummy—as always, “Two Ts in a Pod” combines inside-outsider Housewives honesty with fun, tongue-in-cheek humor and the occasional side-eye. The hosts don’t hold back: if they don’t buy a storyline or find something “corny,” they say so, and longtime fans will appreciate their blend of gossip, genuine concern, and reality TV expertise.

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For RHOA and Housewives Fans

This episode is a must for anyone invested in Atlanta’s real (and manufactured) drama. The hosts break down the real friendships, the manufactured feuds, and the behind-the-scenes politics, providing a unique perspective only veteran Housewives can. Expect honest opinions, a few eye rolls, and a hopeful look ahead to what’s next for Atlanta.

Until next time, Atlanta!

Transcript

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[Tamara Judge]

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[Dolores]

Two teas in a Pod with Teddy.

[Tamara Judge]

Mellencamp and Tamara Judge.

[Dolores]

Welcome back to another episode of Two T's in a Pod with myself and Dolores. Good morning, Dolores.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Hi.

[Tamara Judge]

Good morning.

[Dolores]

It is good morning.

[Tamara Judge]

Beautiful. It's so hot here today. It's like. Is it California hot? Well, it's like the Valley.

[Dolores]

You are in Jersey from your background.

[Tamara Judge]

Is it messy? Yeah.

[Dolores]

No, no, no. Not at all. Did you have a good weekend?

[Tamara Judge]

I did. It was really nice. It was beautiful. I hate coming home. I honestly Rhode island so beautiful. The house is so bright and beautiful and I really love it.

[Dolores]

You do?

[Tamara Judge]

Me and Paul are in such like. He's so relaxed.

[Dolores]

Would you move there?

[Tamara Judge]

No, no, no.

[Dolores]

Yeah. I don't even know what I did this weekend. I think I really did nothing. I think it was like, amazing. Like we were at home. We weren' Big Bear. We just kind of relaxed and hung out the house. Now I have a busy week this week. I leave for Boston on Thursday.

[Tamara Judge]

Did you get in touch with Haley?

[Dolores]

Yes, I did. She's gonna do my makeup when I'm there.

[Tamara Judge]

Love.

[Dolores]

She's super sweet. So for those of you that don't know at Finley park on August 1, which is next is this Friday. They are doing Bravo day or night. I think it is actually at the Boston Red Sox game. So it's a meet and greet. Tickets are on sale. You get hat. It's a Boston crossover Bravo hat. I'm. I should be wearing it right now. And yeah, so I'm doing that. So I'm. It's really quick. I go in on Thursday. I get there a Thursday night. Friday, the events pretty much all day. There's a meet and greet. Then we. I think we even throw the first pitch.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, are you practicing? Gotta. You gotta play. Make it to the plate.

[Dolores]

Yeah, right. I'd rather not. I was. I was a pitcher actually, in softball.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, then you're.

[Dolores]

Yeah, and then. Yeah, then I come home early the next morning, so. Going to. Going to be fun. So you're so busy. You have your base, you have your softball game coming up. I saw you posted.

[Tamara Judge]

I do. I have my softball game coming up. It's August 6th at 6:00 clock at Maimonides Field. It's the. It's in Coney Island. It's amazing. It's beautiful. And it's a celebrity squad. I wish you could come. I know you're busy. I wish. I would love.

[Dolores]

I know I would love. I have. Yeah, I have press all day on Friday. On the 4th and the 5th, I'm on the green screen. I know, I know. It's just.

[Tamara Judge]

It's a lot.

[Dolores]

Never ending. You think now that the show's airing, like things would get like life would be easier. No, it's not easy. It is crazy.

[Tamara Judge]

So we're gonna have a really good, good squad this year.

[Dolores]

Now, how long have you been doing this? And you raise money for.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, for cancer. For Maimonides Hospital. It goes to the women's cancer found or wherever it's needed most at that time. But it's. It's a charity hospital, so they take. They turn no one away. You could go there and get a mammogram for free. So. So that's why they.

[Dolores]

That's amazing.

[Tamara Judge]

I support. Yeah. They've been open seven days a week, 24. 7 for 105 years and never turned one person away.

[Dolores]

You normally film this?

[Tamara Judge]

I do, but we're not. We didn't film it last year because we weren't filming.

[Dolores]

Oh my gosh.

[Tamara Judge]

But there's about 4,000 people that come. It is a feel good moment. The girls interact with the fans. We have Melissa and Joe, Frank and Brittany, my kids.

[Dolores]

Now, let me ask you a question. So now that you. That's not being filmed, is the whole cast still involved?

[Tamara Judge]

Well, here's the thing I'm going to tell you on the cast. Margaret, she's coming home from Italy for it. She wouldn't miss it. Margaret and Joe, the Futas. The Cabral's my family. Of course. The Frank. Who else? The Futas. The Cabral's. The Gorgas, of course. Judd Fessler, everybody. But Theresa's gonna be away. Junaidan is gonna be in Turkey and Jackie can't make it either. So yeah, everybody but them.

[Dolores]

Great. I wish I could go.

[Commercial Announcer]

I really do.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, it's so good. I really wish I could.

[Dolores]

If I didn't have to travel, I would have gone for sure. For sure.

[Tamara Judge]

There's still tickets available.

[Dolores]

Do you have a posted where you can get tickets?

[Tamara Judge]

I have a. I'm gonna post today and we're also collaborating with Clear the Shelters this year. So we're gonna have dogs in the parking lot that you can adopt and one of the dogs on the field for the first pitch with. Usually it's one of the cancer patients will throw out the first pitch. She'll have one of the little doggies with her or whoever it is.

[Dolores]

We'll post that on your social media and I'm going to post if you want. If you're interested, please, getting tickets to Bravo Day. It's going to be me. Tom Schwartz is going to be there, I believe.

[Tamara Judge]

He's so nice.

[Dolores]

Alexia from Miami and cool Marisol. So that's that. I don't know if there's any more than that. You might be able to go on the website and find out.

[Tamara Judge]

But that's exciting and so fun. So, yeah, I'll. You could still get tickets for your game, right?

[Dolores]

I believe so. I believe so. So I. I have it. I had it posted on my social media, but I'll go and post it again if you guys.

[Tamara Judge]

I'll be posting today for battle for brooklyn.org and yeah, and the tickets are cheap for us. It's like, I think the tickets are like 25, $30. That's it.

[Dolores]

That's good.

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[Dolores]

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[Dolores]

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[Tamara Judge]

Why is she leaking?

[Dolores]

Well, that's the one thing I'm like, oof. Kenya, maybe you shouldn't have done that.

[Tamara Judge]

Go out with Grace.

[Dolores]

And also the other person is Atlanta businesswoman Pinky Cole.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, she didn't give names but she alluded to.

[Dolores]

Yeah, no, no, she didn't give names but she said there's two new and she did say like one is from. One is a business person, the other one is from love and hip hop.

[Tamara Judge]

All right.

[Dolores]

Yeah. I mean she did whatever said her falling out with Cynthia was because Cynthia shared personal information, private information about Kenya for her own gain. I don't know what that information is. So that was.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, the person, whoever. If, if in fact allegedly Cynthia told someone. That person ran back and told Kenya.

[Dolores]

But it's not been leaked. I, I don't know who knows. But it, it hurt her and I understand that and I'm sure since I'm like repeating stuff. Yeah, I'm sure Cynthia has no Arm intentions. No. Cynthia's a sweetheart. Now, Shamia also released a video, and this one's a bit confusing. Now, she said she personally addresses each housewife on her cast and she apologizes for past conflicts. This is very confusing. She doesn't say that she's quitting. She doesn't say that she's quitting.

[Tamara Judge]

She's not quitting.

[Dolores]

Real House of Atlanta is not in her bio on Instagram. I don't know. Some people say it was removed, and then I don't know if it ever was, so I. I can't. She said it would never was. She mentions misunderstandings or grievances from the season and wishes for the best for the cast. People took it is that she's not returning, but she has not really come out and said, I'm not returning.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay. Can I tell you, this was a corny attention stunt.

[Dolores]

Is that what you think it is?

[Tamara Judge]

I'm so turned off. Beyond.

[Dolores]

That's what it is. I am turned off as well.

[Tamara Judge]

The performative message. Okay. Really? If. If not. If not for the. If she's not leaving, which I doubt highly, she really enjoyed it, and I.

[Dolores]

Don'T see her being fired. So if she's leaving, it would be on her own.

[Tamara Judge]

She's not leaving. The performative message was very performative. And I'm like, tamara, do you think I'm wrong?

[Dolores]

No, I don't think you're wrong, but I thought I took it like, you know, putting things together, little pieces here and there. Speculated that she. She quit. But I.

[Tamara Judge]

But the. I'm sorry, too, you know? Why, Shamia, I've been rallied for you since Portia was late to your party. First right out of the gate, I felt like Portia wasn't being a friend, a good friend. But I'm starting to see a little different something now. And this whole thing just, like, turned me off a little. If that's it, because you did act like you were leaving, and if you're not, that's corny. Yeah.

[Dolores]

There is one thing that she said that I don't know. I'd love to talk to her to clarify it, but.

[Tamara Judge]

And then if she says, I apologize.

[Dolores]

Yeah, she said some. She made a comment to Portia that said she. I think it was on last week's episode where she goes, well, you've. You've lied to. Well, nobody should be lying. No one should be lying.

[Tamara Judge]

I saw that.

[Dolores]

Yeah. You know when she called her a liar and she's like, well, you lied too. Like, I don't like that. You know, but it happens a lot. People like to rewrite history and rewrite the narrative.

[Tamara Judge]

I can't see you. If we want to talk about not seeing. I know, I know.

[Dolores]

My allergies. Everybody else, but my allergies are so bad right now that my eyes are blurry. I'm like, coughing. I'm like, ah, crap.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, what about that fact that I post on Melissa Gorga's thing after she has a. How.

[Dolores]

Please can we talk about that? Well, let's just talk about.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm putting on my glasses. Like, it's so bad.

[Dolores]

Okay, so just so you know, we had a little conversation in our twats. It was brought up in our twats feed. You're not in that. You're in our. Our other feed, the Dolores and Tara chain.

[Tamara Judge]

This is.

[Dolores]

This is the original one. Mine and Teddy's, right? And it was a picture of Melissa Gorga posting that a storm ripped through her shore house, destroyed stuff in her backyard. And it's a picture. And then your comment is, I love that.

[Tamara Judge]

I love that.

[Dolores]

And then Melissa goes dolo like that with question marks and, you know, big eyes. Or that.

[Tamara Judge]

And then just good old Tamara sending it to me going, put your readers on.

[Dolores]

I didn't send it to you. Readers on, lady.

[Tamara Judge]

I did. And I was like, oh, my God, thank you, guys. You. You put it on behind my back on the one I'm not involved in with friends like this.

[Dolores]

Talking about it, laughing about it.

[Tamara Judge]

Talk about me behind my back. Hey, anybody listening? No one's exempt from these people talking.

[Dolores]

I sent it to you immediately.

[Tamara Judge]

I did.

[Dolores]

I said, I go, girl.

[Tamara Judge]

Send it to you on the group chat. I don't know.

[Dolores]

Let's blame. Let's blame Kaden. No, Maybe it was Matt. I'm not even sure. I think we were just laughing. We were laughing. It was hilarious.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm only kidding. I don't care.

[Dolores]

I think it said. I think you could have gave me.

[Tamara Judge]

The heads up, but thanks, Tamara.

[Dolores]

We did. And then somebody said, who's gonna tell Dolores? I go, I will.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, you love that. Then you could put your readers on. I was like, oh.

[Dolores]

And then Holly posted it.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, he's like, dolores, I gotta fix this. He's always Mr. Housewife Fixing Things, right? He's like. He's like the damage control guy. He's on Reddit. He asked Paulie. That should be the next reality show. Ask Paulie. So he's. He like, posts a picture of me with goggles on, and.

[Dolores]

Yeah, it was hilarious.

[Tamara Judge]

For New Readers. He is.

[Dolores]

He should be a content creator is what.

[Tamara Judge]

He should be good at it. So. But anyway, I called Melissa immediately, Tamara, thank you. Thank you, Tamara, for letting me know. And she was fine with it. She's like, Dolores, we all know you can see.

[Dolores]

I can't see either. And you know what's, soon. You're still young, Melissa. Soon you're going to.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, you get it on the readers, too.

[Dolores]

You're going to get it. Yeah. So the reunion starts out with Andy says he saw Shamia's post for Portia's birthday. Portia says that Shamia resumed her smear campaign right after she. She posted that. Portia posted that Shamia's mom did something. Something nasty to her mom. Now Portia claims Shamia' bought her mom's foreclosed business property without telling her beforehand. Okay, well, now there's some talk that they're not speaking and had not speaking, but I'm a little bit confused because buying somebody's property that's going in foreclosure is actually a good thing. It's a good thing she bought it. It's hers now. She was in trouble, but the problem is, why didn't she tell her? Why didn't she call her and say, listen, because they're in the same business. I think it's child care. Is that what she said it was child care?

[Tamara Judge]

And the only way they found out, like you said, was they were putting the sign up. Portia and her mother just happened to be driving by and saw the sign going up. Yeah.

[Dolores]

That would be a little stab in.

[Tamara Judge]

The back, right, Tamara? You would fucking burn it down. Okay. You know, you would have a fit.

[Dolores]

Yeah, you're right.

[Tamara Judge]

Somebody.

[Dolores]

Yeah, yeah, especially they were close and now they're not speaking. So that even makes it worse.

[Tamara Judge]

But Shimmy is like, you know, they weren't talking a long time before that. So there's actually two sides to this story. If they were close, then I would say, okay, I understand. You should have definitely had a talk with her. But if they weren't talking, then I don't. Why would you call and say, I'm buying your foreclosed building?

[Dolores]

But how about this? If they were closed, how about saying, I know you're financially in trouble. Let's go in on this together because we're in the same business and let me help you out. I think that's what friends would do. I mean, not all friends want to get in business together, but, you know, there's a lot of ways it could have went Shamia says that the rift goes deeper than the daycare purchase, and the moms are not speaking for years prior to that. Now, Portia didn't agree with that. She was just like, no, that's not true.

[Tamara Judge]

That's not true. They definitely have different point of views on their friendship and their parents friendship. They do not. The mom's friendship, it's not aligning. There's two different stories. And I even. I'm. You know what, Tamara? I'm even confused because, like I said, I was looking at Portia like, oh, that was selfish. Or three hours late to her birthday. Oh, that. You know, you seem to be, like, trying, like, not liking her, getting attention. Like, I was just looking at it different, but now I'm seeing things differently, too. You know, I'm confused. I'm not sure who's wrong or who's right. And I. I feel that.

[Dolores]

Don't you feel like there's a lot of frustration and resentment on both sides? They've been friends.

[Tamara Judge]

Yes, I did so long.

[Dolores]

I hate to see them throw away the friendship.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, I think there's a lot of unaddressed resentment about things. Like she's saying now, you didn't come to my. You didn't come to my Nigeria wedding, because now I find out you were. We were having a beef at the time.

[Dolores]

I feel like their friendship is so deep. And then once you get a friendship like that that's got a little struggle within it, and you put it on a show like Housewives, they're going to each want to bring out this stuff that pissed them off throughout their friendship. And I feel like it's too personal. It's too personal.

[Tamara Judge]

Isn't it you that said there's no fight? Like, when best friends fight.

[Dolores]

Yes.

[Tamara Judge]

Like real friends. You said it not too long ago, and that's very true. And then there's the other part of it, that they both know where the BO bodies are buried on each other. So they don't really want to cross that line.

[Dolores]

No, I feel like they don't want to go there. And I think there's so much. And they.

[Tamara Judge]

And I think that on each other, let's face it.

[Dolores]

I think Portia said, like, I'm also hearing Shamia say things to friends in a friend group that are not involved on the show. So when you're hearing things, you know, that's kind of like what. What happened to me last year before I started the season.

[Tamara Judge]

Right.

[Dolores]

It's like I heard from a mutual friend that Shannon was saying a lot of horrible things about me.

[Tamara Judge]

Right.

[Dolores]

So it's like. It's hard, though. You can't. When you bring it up on the show, people like, oh, whatever. We didn't see it. We don't care.

[Tamara Judge]

Andy doesn't like it either.

[Dolores]

They don't like it.

[Tamara Judge]

And he does not like wasting time talking about things that didn't happen on the show. That is one of the reasons we didn't have a reunion, because so much of what happened didn't happen on the show.

[Dolores]

It's almost best that if cast members are not filming, they shouldn't hang out together.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, that used to be back in the day.

[Dolores]

Yeah. Don't hang out together off camera. Off season, don't hang out.

[Tamara Judge]

There was no talking. There was no talking. If you weren't filming, that was it. And you know what? They need to go back to that. All these pictures of everybody out to lunch and out to dinner, all just for. For. For the gram. It's kind of like it causes problems here and annoying. And it causes problems. And it causes a problem for production. Because now it's like, what makes their job hard. How many scenes do you have? Would the producers say to you, you can't stop them. But back in the day, we used to listen.

[Dolores]

Mm. Yeah. That's why I love that. Remember that I'm a homebody. I don't hang out with too many people.

[Tamara Judge]

You know, me and Paul were just saying that about you and Eddie this week. He's like, that's why I like. Because we were talking about some of the people in Rhode island that were very close with Liz and her husband Jerry. And they're easy. We're like, out to dinner. They're going out. We're like, no, we're gonna go home. They're like, fine, okay. Like, no, no pressure. Very easy, you guys. You could go anywhere, eat dinner early, and I'm out bed, 9:30. Good, good. Thanks.

[Dolores]

Yeah, we went to dinner on Sunday or Saturday with our friends Jackie and Kellen and went to dinner at 5:30. I was home. We were home by 8:30 in bed, by the way.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, my 55. Don't I get like, to go in an old person? Like, can I get in a senior home or something? Or not a senior home, but like, I. Senior citizen, 55 or over. Yeah, yeah, you can we get the early bird special for seniors at this point?

[Dolores]

There you go. Great.

[Tamara Judge]

I have no shame in that, by the way.

[Dolores]

That's funny. And he asked them if they want to apologize for anything from the season she may apologizes for talking about her friendship issues with Portia with the group. Portia says yeah, she should poor, but then it's not the nature of the show. Portia says that Shamia has spoken poorly about her to their other non housewife friends as well. That's where things get messy. See?

[Tamara Judge]

But wait, it's true.

[Dolores]

I know, but it seems like that Shamia is afraid to express her true feelings to Portia.

[Tamara Judge]

So she admitted that.

[Dolores]

Yeah, she vents to other people and that's what's getting her in trouble.

[Tamara Judge]

We've all been guilty of that at one time or another. Not so much me. I do tell somebody to their face right away so I get the poison out. Otherwise I'm going to lose sleep.

[Dolores]

Yeah. Portia as Andy to verify that she has always wanted Shamina. Yeah, she's always wanted to me to be a housewife. She's always asked for her to be.

[Tamara Judge]

Until she became one.

[Dolores]

Until she.

[Tamara Judge]

She became one. She was so fucking good at it.

[Dolores]

Well, it's, you know, it's one of those things where it's Portia's first season back, you know what I mean? And then they bring in Shamia as a housewife at the same time. Maybe they should have brought Portia back, you know, gave her her flowers, made her be the star of the show and then brought in Shamia.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't know.

[Dolores]

Just a thought. Just a thought.

[Tamara Judge]

It's not about Portia though. It's about a show.

[Dolores]

It's about a show and you know.

[Tamara Judge]

Shamia came on and she didn't hold back and she did very well. She has a huge life and huge things going on and you know, getting a Rolls Royce for your birthday on cameras, you know, kind of big, like pretentious. Yeah, well, that too. But. No, but if it's, you know, in the. But just like she very housewifery. I'll tell you this. Portia finished strong, but we also have to take into consideration what she was going through during the season. She fighting for her life over there.

[Dolores]

Yeah, she was, you're correct. She finished the reunion strong.

[Tamara Judge]

Very proud of her. And I'm glad that she did. You know.

[Dolores]

You know who was very quiet was Phaedra. She. She wasn't very vocal. I mean, she only filmed two weeks out of the whole season.

[Tamara Judge]

She didn't have a lot to say.

[Dolores]

You didn't really have a lot to say, but she normally has a lot to say about everything and everybody. So I was shocked.

[Tamara Judge]

How could she be though? She really wasn't a Part of it. Right. Why?

[Dolores]

Right. Why are the girls arguing? And why is this even brought up that Portia brings up that they both.

[Tamara Judge]

Kiss Candy at a club 25 years ago?

[Dolores]

Why is this relevant? Why did they bring it up? Candy's probably like, why. What do you.

[Tamara Judge]

Why.

[Dolores]

Why are we talking about this?

[Tamara Judge]

Did they both kiss her at the same time? What. What did you mean you kissed?

[Dolores]

Well, she says they thought they were good after their. Sit down, bitch. Portia says she's. She has been distant and made it difficult to be friends. So who's been distant that she thought Shamia was distant to Portia.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Dolores]

Portia doesn't feel comfortable in their friendship, but accepts Shamia's offer, offering them some. Some peace. So let's.

[Tamara Judge]

You know what I said I don't know.

[Dolores]

Well, they have un. Followed each other on social media, so I don't think they did that. The piece has. Yeah, that's right.

[Tamara Judge]

I didn't know they did that. They did.

[Dolores]

I don't know if they refollowed, but at one point. Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, anyway, let me just say that if I had to look at this, I would say that their friendship is pretty much over. I think it's years of nonsense, stupid, unresolved things that have now built up. And now you're going to have two crazy enemies on a show.

[Dolores]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

And I could see my prediction. I could be wrong.

[Dolores]

Well, and it could be like, I don't know if this is true or not, that Shamia has quit. Maybe that's why. Maybe their friendship so bad that she doesn't even want to, you know, go through another season like that. It's too much on her. But Andy having to stop the fight by asking Cynthia to help figure things out between them was pretty telling right there. Cynthia always the voice of reason. Andy asking her how can they move forward. She is.

[Tamara Judge]

She is always. Always. But that's why I'm like, Kenya Moore is going hard on Cynthia. And then it's not in Cynthia's makeup up to be. Have ill intentions. And I just don't like it. I don't like how Cynthia. How Cynthia's being treated by Kenya, by the way. But. But Cynthia, you know, could speak reason to them, but I think it goes so much deeper than what we're saying, to be honest.

[Dolores]

I think so, too. So Andy plays a clip from Drew's divorce proceedings. Ralph made tweets about Drew's mom, but they are making steps to co parent. Kelly says that she wishes she and Drew has connected more.

[Tamara Judge]

Does that more of A bond because they were both going through a divorce. Kelly was so far up Fritz ass until she wasn't that it was really hard for. For anything. But, you know, Drew was a little self centered when Angela really tried to bond with her, and she left Angela out to dry. So, you know, I don't think Drew put herself out to really be close to anyone, did she?

[Dolores]

I didn't feel. No, that's why she's on. No, no. She's so far removed from the cast. I feel like she was closer to Dennis than anybody else on the entire cast this season.

[Tamara Judge]

And she was so busy trying to make up with Portia when she realized Portia was kind of like not. You know, she wasn't like the hat. The. The topic of the season right then. Then all of a sudden, she turned around and she was like, yeah, well, now I don't give a shit. Now I'm gonna just. Do you know what I mean?

[Dolores]

Yes, I know what you mean. Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

She remember. I remember during the season when she took a backseat and she stepped back and she's like, oh, well, Portia's not doing too great this part of the season, so I'm not gonna bother. Where can. Where can I go to get some attention? You know what I mean? Whatever.

[Dolores]

Well, Drew didn't thrill me this season on the show. I don't think she did enough at all. Kelly says she thought Drew was a liar from the start. I mean, she's been called a liar from day one because Drew lied about purchasing items from Kelly's event.

[Tamara Judge]

But she did. They just.

[Dolores]

I don't. Well, she. Yeah, she went and ordered it afterwards because they didn't have the size for hers, which she explained. I don't know if it's the truth. I feel like Drew is that person. They can switch the storyline. Like they have an answer to.

[Tamara Judge]

It just rolls off her tongue like, yeah, he's my cousin.

[Dolores]

Like, she so can switch the narrative. And you're like, oh, okay, that makes sense. I mean, we all have somebody on the ca that on every cast, they're lying. You know they're lying, but they can switch it in their favor at any given moment.

[Tamara Judge]

That takes practice.

[Dolores]

That takes a calculated person. A very calculated.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, well, if you do something enough, you get good at it. Yeah. Yep.

[Dolores]

Drew says she. She bought items later like you said. But the other one bring up that the point was to purchase during the vent. So the proceeds benefit Kelly's foundation. Andy asked if Drew is really Michael Jordan's cousin. She says it was a Joke. But she did.

[Tamara Judge]

She goes in my eyes.

[Dolores]

Yeah. She still didn't.

[Tamara Judge]

Lying about it. And it's like when she said it shouldn't say. Just kidding. I'm like, I think she's a little. It's a little almost pathological.

[Dolores]

But, you know, I was gonna say the same thing. It's a little pathological. Like the lies just roll off her tongue and then when she gets caught, it's like, no big deal. In her head. Oh, I thought. Or in my mind.

[Tamara Judge]

But I. I don't like to call somebody out all the time for being like a liar when maybe they're not clear on what they're saying because I'm not a very detailed person when I speak. And I remember I used to be with someone who picked apart every little thing I said. So I say this lightly when I say this about Drew, but it just gets to be a lot after a while. But yeah. Were you ever around someone who fucking picks apart everything you say and then accuses you of lying when you just didn't put every detail. I am not a liar.

[Dolores]

Same, same.

[Tamara Judge]

Even if it hurts me, I am not a liar. So when somebody wants to pick apart something I said and be like, but you said this. What are you saying? You just said you were going to take a shower, but then you're going to your mom's. What do you like. No, no, get the fuck. I just don't feel like talking. How about that? That it's not a lie. I just don't feel like speaking. Yep.

[Dolores]

I remember Kathleen French saying in one of the like season eight or something like that. Uncensored shows. You know they do that. They used to do those. They don't do them anymore. The Tamara Judge has truth serum running through her vein. She does. Like, I don't care. I will out myself. I don't care. You know what I mean? It's just like, it's easier to be that way.

[Tamara Judge]

So. Especially on tv. So.

[Dolores]

So.

[Tamara Judge]

That'S why I don't want to say that about her. Like, that's why, like. But then she's. That's what the girls are calling her. So let them say it. But you know.

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[Dolores]

So Andy asked how Drew felt about Portia and Shamia meeting up with Ralph, especially when Drew cried to Portia when Ralph left her. I mean, that was like a housewife thing to do, you know what I mean? Like, well, well, it was Drew hanging out with Dennis that started it. And then, you know, Shamia was meeting with Ralph and supposedly just brought Portia along and she had no idea.

[Tamara Judge]

I know she did say she had no idea. She acted like she wanted nothing to do with this meeting and then she wound up apologizing for it. You know, be honest and I, and I say the truth where I, where it stands because I have no real close relationship with these girls, so I don't have to stick up for anybody. Yeah, go for it. She did. No, I don't think it's something Portia wanted to do. I think it was a kind of like a, like eye for an eye, whatever thing. Like you did it to me, so I'm gonna do it to you. But I really don't think she wanted to do it. And one thing that Drew and I have to be honest and say what Drew did be honest about was she called Portia. A lot of times, Portia didn't fucking answer. And we know she didn't. She text Portia Portia didn't text her back.

[Dolores]

Yes, yes, you're right.

[Tamara Judge]

She did make a conscious effort to always be clear about what she was doing with Dennis. I'm sorry. And that's the truth. If Portia didn't feel like giving up her time to answer this girl, then that ain't her problem.

[Dolores]

So Andy asked if she was or somebody asked if Drew was dating Black or Thai.

[Tamara Judge]

And I go for Black. I think it sounds like he's got a lot of.

[Dolores]

Yeah, well, she said that Dennis is definitely not her type, so she was not dating him. Now, Ty, she said talks to 3,000 minutes a month on the phone, which.

[Tamara Judge]

Are they solving world peace?

[Dolores]

I don't know.

[Tamara Judge]

In all that conversation that I did.

[Dolores]

The math and it adds up to 100 minutes a day.

[Tamara Judge]

That's an hour and what, 60 minutes an hour, hour and a half a day.

[Dolores]

Pretty much a little bit more. Not. And then Drew brings out Black's product and gives it to everybody, which I was floored. Like, they shoot around my CBD business like crazy, but then they let Blacks like product just come out and she hands it to everybody. Here's one of the biggest problems. We just just moved locations. Our office has moved, but our prior office would not let us film there.

[Tamara Judge]

Would not.

[Dolores]

So, you know, I mean, it's like.

[Tamara Judge]

One of those not all their faults. Yeah.

[Dolores]

And quite honestly, it does so fucking well that I'm like, I don't really care, just less, you know what to try to attack me.

[Tamara Judge]

By the way, maybe you're better off.

[Dolores]

I know. It doesn't bother me. So, Drew. Did you think Drew's comment about her music pain for PJ's college was shady?

[Tamara Judge]

No.

[Dolores]

Do you think so? I don't know. She's just like.

[Tamara Judge]

I think she was so nervous about what was being said about her that she was almost trying to justify. She was trying to justify doing business with him for that reason.

[Dolores]

Well, I mean, it's only going to help out, that's for sure.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, yeah, he's going to make money taking from. But. But I felt like, you know, because she was so Being accused and it. Listen, the crux of it is, couldn't you find somebody else? Couldn't you find another? There's a lot of music producers out there. Like, did you have to go with someone who's had your back since you stepped on the scene and gave you money when you needed it and helped you through a lot of things? You're the first one that, you know, she closed last year when she Wasn't at the reunion when he showed up, you know, it wasn't all right to be doing business with him. I was uncomfortable with it unless Portia was a part of it, which she wasn't.

[Dolores]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Well.

[Dolores]

The men joined the reunion. Charles, Dennis, and Ralph. Andy asked if Dennis talked to Portia about working with Drew. Dennis didn't he say he felt like it was Drew's responsibility to tell Portia, and he told Ralph it was okay.

[Tamara Judge]

Fair enough.

[Dolores]

He's like, I told Ralph. I figured that, you know, Drew would tell Portia.

[Tamara Judge]

It was both their responsibilities. And actually, I find it the opposite. I think it was Drew's responsibility, and it was Dennis's responsibility to Portia. I don't think he owes Ralph an explanation for anything, but he's, like, nonchalantly.

[Dolores]

Said, well, he mentioned it to Portia.

[Tamara Judge]

Like, I feel like they did. And I feel like Portia didn't care about it until it came to fruition on the show.

[Dolores]

Right. Dennis says that Drew never text him about paying for studio work with sex.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay, now I'm confused because he handed his phone to Portia and when she was going through the text, because they're so overdone, these girls. Every day. I'm lucky if I change my pajamas when I'm not filming. She's scrolling through a text from who? This text said something alluding to the fact, do I gotta pay? Blah, blah, blah. Now I'm confused. So can. Why did we get off of this at the reunion? I am still not clear on this.

[Dolores]

I'm not clear on it either, because if I wasn't. Am I mistaken that Portia actually read.

[Tamara Judge]

A text she did on camera but.

[Dolores]

Earlier in the season? Yeah, that was totally different than the one that she read at the reunion.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm confused. So I don't know. No, she. She goes. And by the way, that text wasn't from me.

[Dolores]

Well, then Ralph disagrees and says the text did say that. So we didn't really get clarity on a lot of stuff on this. This reunion.

[Tamara Judge]

Can we get somebody on to explain to us from the reunion?

[Dolores]

Let's try to.

[Tamara Judge]

We're friends with Cynthia. Can we have Cynthia on.

[Dolores]

Yes, let's get her.

[Tamara Judge]

These are unresolved questions that.

[Dolores]

That we need now. Andy asked Dennis and I might as.

[Tamara Judge]

Well ask about the kissing while we're at it.

[Dolores]

Yeah, I don't even know why that was even brought up. Andy asked.

[Tamara Judge]

As it was. I want to know.

[Dolores]

Andy asked about Dennis and Brit going on a date and sliding into Kelly's DMs. He clarifies he went on a date with Brit before he and Portia had a relationship. How is there not that many women? You got Peter Thomas dating them all. You got this one dating.

[Tamara Judge]

They're all fishing in the same pond.

[Dolores]

Yes. And then we find out why.

[Tamara Judge]

I got my boyfriend from Dublin. I can't go any further.

[Dolores]

Right. Charles dated Charay. Why the hell was Sheree not on this season? Dumb move.

[Tamara Judge]

Dumb move.

[Dolores]

Two or three years we dated. I missed her too.

[Tamara Judge]

Early years. That's a long ass time.

[Dolores]

Yes. Yes. Ralph says that he had a woman come to the house for a fitness his content. But she never came inside.

[Tamara Judge]

They worked out on the lawn, I guess.

[Dolores]

I don't know. Ralph claims that Drew acts different on camera, which I think is true. I think Drew acts different on camera than she does off camera with him.

[Tamara Judge]

Why do you think? I'm just curious.

[Dolores]

I. I don't know. I just feel like she. She hypens it up for TV to make it look like they're so bad. And then there's like videos of them off season cooking together. I don't know. Maybe Ralph's a big old liar. I don't know.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, I just want to say I don't like what he said about her mother. That's number one. I don't like that he threw in her face that he had to help them out financially. I don't like that either, by the way.

[Dolores]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

That woman was. She's a good grandmother. She was concerned about her grandchildren and her daughter and Ralph, I. I don't appreciate the lack of respect that you had for that woman. Okay. I think she handled it in a very classy way. And she was. You weren't being. Doing the right thing anyway. No. I mean, what was the question? I had to go on that rant about the mother because I didn't like what he said about her.

[Dolores]

Do you think they actually have her off camera?

[Tamara Judge]

I do.

[Dolores]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

But you know, sometimes, Tara, when somebody has see if Drew happens to be in a relationship and that guy doesn't like her living with her current. Whatever's going on.

[Dolores]

Yes. Ex husband to be ex husband.

[Tamara Judge]

Maybe she does it for the cameras and for the person watching who she's with. So they don't think that they're like something, you know. Yeah. Something more is going on. Yeah. So I think that there's a few reasons why she may act like that. And how could you. You know, when somebody. You ever meet a couple and the guy's badmouthing his wife. Then you go out to dinner with them, and then he's like, God, who feels the need to be nasty to her because he was just badmouthing her? Do you. You know, that kind of thing? I mean, I'm just using an example.

[Dolores]

Well, Andy has Charles about being cold towards Angela. We all saw it. Charles says he loves her, but he doesn't put it on for the camera. Now, I don't think Charles is all about the TV show. I don't. I give him credit for being there. I know that the EDS asked him to be on their podcast, and he declined. I don't think that this is really. He doesn't enjoy doing this, and it shows that he loves her just by letting her or having her do and not letting her, but having her doing it and being on camera. It's one of those things, like, you know, do you think Eddie loves being on the Housewives? No.

[Tamara Judge]

No.

[Dolores]

Does he do it?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Dolores]

Is he overly involved in once? No, he's not. And I think I see a lot of that in Charles.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay, I may agree with that, but I do not agree with how he treated her on camera. So maybe you don't do it for everyone to see, but Charles, you could have cut her a brain. I think he's hard on her. I think he's not an easy man to live with. I don't think he's a horrible person. She's crazy about him. He gave her this whoop, Dee, do Charles. That's so nice of you. I'm not gonna badmouth him because he didn't sign up for this, but he said to her, because of her, we're together and we're in therapy together, and I'm very thankful for her sticking it out with me. Oh, thanks for throwing her the bone.

[Dolores]

Well, he showed up to the reunion. I don't know that my husband would show up to a reunion. He's been asked before. He's like, nah, I'm good. He doesn't even do confessionals. So he has. Long time ago. And he's like, it's just not my thing, babe. Like, this is your thing.

[Tamara Judge]

You got to give it to him. I mean that. I feel like.

[Dolores]

I mean, there's nothing.

[Tamara Judge]

The guys get too involved. It's like.

[Dolores]

I mean, Jersey's totally different because the.

[Tamara Judge]

Guys are involved and they are very involved. I don't. I don't mind that.

[Dolores]

I don't mind that because they're all involved and they all do things off camera together and all that. But any Other show, when the guys get too involved, it gives me the ick. The ick so bad. Like, shut up, sit down, go away. I don't like it. I do not like it.

[Tamara Judge]

So, Charles, I mean, listen, Charles. Well, nice. I mean, the way you say it. Yeah. I gotta take a little bit back that I said I'm a little hard on him because I. Because I really felt bad for her when he. He was being so cold to her.

[Dolores]

Yeah. We're like, can you give me a kiss? And he's like, well, just give her a fucking kiss. Like, just give her a kiss and call it a day. And take your mind.

[Tamara Judge]

Listen, she saved fate. Like, she stood by you through a lot of maybe not so great things. So maybe you could do this with a fucking smile.

[Dolores]

Well, yeah, well, he went with the folks, so I give him credit for that. Charles says he's never met Shamia before the show. Shamia says they were in the same event. And Charles like and same with Phaedra.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay.

[Dolores]

Being in the same room does not mean that you know each other. Met.

[Tamara Judge]

Stop it.

[Dolores]

Or saying.

[Tamara Judge]

Saying hi, oh, I know him. I met him.

[Dolores]

Or taking a picture with them.

[Tamara Judge]

It happens to us too. Like, oh, we met. I'm like, I. I'm. I'm sorry, I don't remember. I'm sorry. Like, or. Or, you know, people come up to you and they said, I'm so and so's friends. And I'm like, ah, yeah, yeah. But you know, just being in the same room with him. No, you didn't meet. You're not signal.

[Dolores]

You didn't leave an everlasting impression on him. Let's just put it that way. It sounds like Phaedra never met him. Maybe he was just in the same room or maybe at the same event, maybe. Hi, nice to meet you. That was it. That's not knowing somebody.

[Tamara Judge]

No, it's not. And you know, they speak a lot about my. The rooms. Like, you don't sit in my room. Yeah, you don't sit in my rooms. We're talking about rooms now. Like, this is it. So there's all different rooms. Like, Like Angela, like, you wish you were in my. I'll tell you, Angela don't like Phaedra. She does. She does not like her and she does not hide it. Like when Andy said. And the end. I don't know if I'm jumping ahead, but did you see her face when he mentioned Phaedra? You did good. You. You know, you were on for two weeks. Hope you had fun. You look like you have fun and then Angela just like, you know, she really don't like her.

[Dolores]

She don't like her. Charles says everybody wants to know him. But what about you all? Where's your all? Husbands is exactly what he said.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm the only husband here.

[Dolores]

I'm the only one here.

[Tamara Judge]

Husband.

[Dolores]

Charles, we talked about earlier, dated Sherry for three years. So Andy brings that up. Why would they let her go? Dumb move. Like I said, bring Charay back.

[Tamara Judge]

I missed her saying bring Charade back. Period, period, period.

[Dolores]

I love her so much.

[Tamara Judge]

Period. Duh.

[Dolores]

So then at the very end, Andy brings up the takeaway of the season. Drew and Portia make up. Kelly's friendship with Brit is over. But did you miss Brit at the reunion?

[Tamara Judge]

No, I didn't neither, by the way.

[Dolores]

No, I thought that it was like a bad move and they wouldn't have a lot to talk about because Brit was, you know, in a lot of the controversy. But you know what? Didn't care. Don't mind. So Kelly and French Kelly, obviously their friendship's over, but she wants portion Shamia to regain their friendship. As of now, Portia unfollowed Shamia and Shamia has unfollowed her back. And he praises both Angela as a new housewife and Cynthia's skills as a friend. Now, he didn't praise Shamia, but I thought, Shamia, I'm going to praise you. I think you did a great job as a housewife your first year. Portia says this was her most transformative season yet. I think next year we are going to see a. The Porsche that we know.

[Tamara Judge]

A force to be reckoned with. I just want to say great job with production for Cynthia Bailey, being the friend and incorporating her in everything. That was great. Yeah, love that.

[Dolores]

But yeah, that was it. You know, the season is over.

[Tamara Judge]

That was. Season lasted five years.

[Dolores]

I think it seemed like it lasted very. A lot of months. That's for sure. That is for sure.

[Tamara Judge]

Hell of a lot of months.

[Dolores]

But yeah, a lot went down. Like we said, we're not going to see Kenya next season. We really thought that maybe we would. I suspect they're going to pause her for one more year and then bring her back. Just speculating.

[Tamara Judge]

I have to see probably what happens with.

[Dolores]

Yeah, it depends on how the show goes. But I feel like when somebody show.

[Tamara Judge]

But I feel what's going on with Bread and what she's doing, like.

[Dolores]

Oh, you mean the legal part. You're right. I didn't even think about that. I totally forgot. That escaped me that's probably the biggest reason right there.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Dolores]

Probably the biggest reason. If that goes flat.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Dolores]

Did you happen to catch this? Isn't something totally off Atlanta. Vicki Gunbeson coming out and now saying that she has a parasite like Brandy. Well, this is what she said. And she caught it in Morocco.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh.

[Dolores]

I just went, oh, funny. Morocco was what, two, three years ago? And we're just now hearing about. Why are we hearing about this? There's like a. Something gonna happen, some loss.

[Tamara Judge]

Did it only. Did it only affect two people that were there?

[Dolores]

I don't know. She said on Jeff Lewis that she can't poop. And I said, we all know you're full of. So that's nothing new.

[Tamara Judge]

She can't poop because she has a parasite. Then maybe I have one too. I didn't go to Morocco.

[Dolores]

I've known her for years and she's always said she couldn't poop. So I just thought that was kind of. It's kind of circling around social media right now. I'm like, oh, God. Oh, boy. Okay. If she did, I hope for the best if she does have it.

[Tamara Judge]

But I wish for no one to have a parasite and not be able to.

[Dolores]

Oh, for sure. I am going in for a colonoscopy after I get back from Boston. I've already had three. I get them done quite often because I have intestinal issues but haven't had one done. I think it's been three years, so.

[Tamara Judge]

Yay.

[Dolores]

Yay me. I. I'm really looking for so much fun.

[Tamara Judge]

But you prep every day. You don't even have to prep.

[Dolores]

Well, the prep for me is way worse than anybody else because of my intestinal issues. Let me just tell you. It's horrible. It is horrible. So looking forward to that.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm sorry for you that you have to go through that.

[Dolores]

Yeah, no, but I want it. Thank you. But I want to go through it because I always. I worry. You know, my grandmother died of intestinal issues, so it's always I have to stay on top of it.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Dolores]

So that's it for Atlanta. We'll see you next year, Atlanta.

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