Was your Rush experience SLAY OR NAY?

Summary

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Episode Title: Was your Rush experience SLAY OR NAY?
Release Date: January 17, 2026
Hosts: Teddi Mellencamp, Tamra Judge (also featuring guest host Gia Giudice for this "Dirty Rush" segment)
Podcast: iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

In this special "Dirty Rush" crossover episode, Gia Giudice takes the hosting lead, joined by Daisy Kent and Jennifer Fessler, to delve deep into the realities of sorority recruitment—aka "Rush." The episode features a series of candid interviews with recent sorority members across various colleges. The central theme is clear: was sorority rush week the best week of your life, or an absolute nightmare? Listeners are treated to personal stories, practical advice, and honest confessions about navigating sorority culture, with an emphasis on authenticity, vulnerability, and finding where you belong.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Purpose and Pressure of Rush (02:59–09:07)

• Opening Story: “Logan”

  • Logan, a member of a competitive “top house,” describes how rush exceeded her expectations, despite going in with zero prior knowledge and missing recruitment workshops.
  • Key story of a high-value recruit (a star athlete) accidentally dropped by a rival house due to a clerical error. The mistake, and the forbidden attempt to woo her back via text, underscores the high-stakes and behind-the-scenes intensity of sorority recruitment.
  • Athleticism and drive are valued traits for some houses, challenging the stereotype that sororities only care about looks or popularity.

  Notable Quote:
  "It really surpassed my expectations. I actually wasn't super involved until the process and now I'm, like, super close with the girls. It really surpassed my expectations." – Logan (03:29)

  Recruitment Process Mechanics:

  • Computer systems, two-way selection (house and Panhellenic rankings), and the irreversible nature of some mistakes.
  • Importance of not having a closed mindset about which house to join; being open leads to better outcomes.

  Advice:
  "Not having your mind set on a specific house before you go into it I think is the biggest advice I could give... being open minded is definitely the best way to go.” – Logan (11:10)

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2. Virtual Rush Realities (18:25–24:39)

• Raya’s Zoom Rush Experience at Loyola Marymount University

  • Explains how the COVID-19 pandemic shifted recruitment to an all-Zoom format.
  • Virtual rush eased certain pressures (e.g., dressing up), but also limited social cues and real connection.
  • Raya didn’t know anyone older or in the process; she focused on natural conversation. She enjoyed meeting people and, in hindsight, found most of her lifelong friends through sorority recruitment—even via Zoom.

  Memorable Moment:
  "I just needed to make sure that, like, my collarbone looked good, and then I was happy." – Raya (19:11)

  Social Dynamics at LMU:

  • LMU had a laid-back Greek life, where not getting into a particular sorority did not determine your entire social life.
  • Less competitive environment compared to other schools— “Very chill” and less high-stakes.

  Advice for prospective rushes:
  “If you don’t want [Greek life] to be your whole social life... LMU is the place for you.” – Gia Giudice (24:17)

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3. Authenticity and Vulnerability in Rush (25:01–38:20)

• Kristen at CU Boulder—"Be Yourself"

  • Having moved across the country in high school, Kristen shared her personal story and growth during rush, which created genuine connection.
  • Emphasizes the importance of being authentic and open, rather than relying on “scripted” answers.
  • Finding friends who “work hard and play hard”—her DG experience was characterized by enduring friendship, support, and balance between academics and fun.
  • DG’s culture: driven, close-knit, and all about "work hard, play hard."

  Notable Quotes:
  "Being vulnerable allows the girls you're talking to to see a side of you that's different than everyone else." – Kristen (26:53)
  “I really just based [my decision] on the conversations I had throughout the day and what girls I could see myself being friends with.” – Kristen (31:27)

  On Handling Pressure:
  “Put so much pressure on [rush], you're just gonna get let down. I kind of always approached rush in that same way... if that didn’t work out, something will.” – Kristen (32:20)

  Advice:
  “Stay authentic to yourself and don’t put too much pressure on rush. It is such an amazing thing if you let it be, and it can change your life in some amazing ways... Trust the process.” – Kristen (35:59)

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4. Depth in Conversation and Meaningful Connections (42:52–54:34)

• Abby at CU Boulder—Finding Real Sisterhood

  • Transitioned from a small all-girls high school to a massive university, seeking the familiar “unconditional love” of sisterhood.
  • Knew which house felt right after just one day, based on the depth and authenticity of conversation, not reputation or outside advice.
  • Positive rush experiences were often rooted in genuine, sometimes off-topic chats or lighthearted interactions (e.g., joking about her lost voice during rush).

  Memorable Quotes:
  "At the end of the day... rush was a really fun place where you could talk about things that, like, I loved or I was excited about or passionate about to other girls." – Abby (46:13)
  "There's never a house or someone who's rushing you that's looking for a specific answer... just put yourself on the line." – Abby (51:10)

  Dealing With Anxiety:

  • Acknowledges the stress and anxiety of waiting for call-backs, but stresses not letting friend group placements define one’s social life.
  • Reassures listeners that “the older you get, the less it matters”, as friendships expand outside sororities too.

  Being On the Other Side:

  • Abby enjoyed being a recruiter, noting the nerves and genuine hope to “win” wonderful new members—reminding listeners that the process is nerve-wracking for the houses as well.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On having the right mindset:
  "Whatever is meant to be truly will be." – Logan (11:10)
  "The process is about figuring out not just who’s cute enough, but who’s going to fit in—and why." – Gia Giudice (07:32)

• On social dynamics:
  "At LMU, it wasn’t necessarily determining our social life... It was just kind of the girls you were going to be grouped with." – Raya (24:17)

• On finding your place:
  "If you put so much pressure on it, you’re just going to get let down." – Kristen (32:19)

• On being a recruiter:
  "It’s nerve-wracking for us too because... we want you to pick us." – Abby (54:09)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Timestamp | Segment | |------------|------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 02:59 | Show opens with Gia & guests, framing the rush discussion | | 03:18–13:38| Logan’s story: high-value recruit, sorority values, advice | | 18:25–24:39| Raya’s interview: Zoom rush, LMU culture, making real friends | | 25:01–38:20| Kristen’s experience: authenticity, Boulder’s dynamic, value of vulnerability| | 42:52–54:34| Abby’s interview: genuine sisterhood, depth in conversation, advice |

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Overarching Themes

• Open-Mindedness: Avoid getting “locked-in” on just one house; trust that you’ll land where you belong.
• Authenticity & Vulnerability: Real connections are made when you present your true self, not a rehearsed version.
• The Value of Diversity: Some houses look for athletes, others for academic drive, but most value a mix for their community.
• Friendship & Social Pressure: The importance of not letting social rankings define your college experience; meaningful relationships often come from being open to all houses and outcomes.
• Advice for Prospective Members: Stay positive, don’t obsess over rumors or rankings, prepare for nerves, and use the process to genuinely connect.

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In Their Own Words: Top Advice for Rush

• "Go in open minded, don’t set your sights on just one house."
• "Don’t compare notes with friends during rush—it just adds stress."
• "Let yourself be vulnerable—it’s not a therapy session, but share real parts of yourself."
• "The right fit isn’t about the ‘best’ house, it’s about where you feel at home."

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This candid, energetic episode pulls back the curtain on the realities and myths of college sorority recruitment, offering reassurance and real-world advice for future rushees—whether your rush experience is a slay or a nay!

Transcript

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[Gia (Dirty Rush Host)]

Welcome to Dirty Rush, the truth about sorority life with your hosts, me, Gia

[Gia Giudice]

Giudice, Daisy Kent, and Jennifer Fessler. Hi, you guys. Welcome back to another episode of Dirty Rush. Rush week. Best week of your life or absolute nightmare. Let's get into it. So now I am bringing in Logan. Hello, Ms. Logan.

[Raya]

Hi.

[Gia Giudice]

How are you doing?

[Kristen]

I'm so good.

[Logan]

How are you?

[Gia Giudice]

We're good. So I heard that you have a story for us. I heard that you really loved the Rush process. First of all, yes.

[Logan]

I loved it so much. I actually wasn't super involved until, like, the process and now I'm like super close with the girls after it. So it was like, it was. It really surpassed my expectations.

[Gia Giudice]

Wow. There was no nerves. There was. I mean, it sounds like you went in. Did you know a lot about what it was going to be before it started or was everything sort of a surprise to you?

[Logan]

I knew nothing. Yeah, I. I also miss. So we do spring rush and we have recruitment workshops in the fall, and I missed all of them because obligations. So I knew nothing. But it wasn't super complicated. It was just so fun.

[Gia Giudice]

Okay. Okay, well, tell us a story that you have. I'm very excited to hear it.

[Logan]

Yeah. So basically, so is known to be like, one of the top houses it can get competitive with, you know, on the row, and people like to talk about which one is like, the top. So there's definitely, like, even though everyone says, like, it's not, there's definitely a subconscious, like, competitiveness with Rush and getting the girls that we want. And so there was another top house that wanted this one specific girl. She was like, awesome, super cool. And so she was on everyone's radar. And they, another top house accidentally dropped her because they. On their, like, computer system, they. There was a girl with the same name and so they switched it up and they rated her super low. And once the ratings get sent in, there's nothing you can do about it afterwards. And so every rating each day carries on to, like, the next rounds. And so it's really important to rate people, like, correctly because then it can, you know, because it's a two way process. It's the house, but it's also Panhellenic who like, um, finalizes the rankings, and they accidentally dropped her. And they texted her, which was not allowed, and they asked her to drop the process so that they could give her a snap bid, but she ended up just going to. And so we have her now, but they, like, really wanted her, and apparently it was, like, a really big deal in their house and they all got

[Kristen]

in trouble for it.

[Gia Giudice]

Well, I have so much. Wait. I have so many questions around this. First of all, they got into big trouble. Can't do that. Totally.

[Logan]

And you can't. You're not supposed to be texting.

[Gia Giudice]

No one ratted them out. No.

[Logan]

I know this from, like, a good friend.

[Gia Giudice]

Right.

[Logan]

So. Yeah.

[Gia Giudice]

Oh, so you guys were psyched. So. And the other question I have is, what made her such a valuable candidate? What was it about her that everybody wanted her?

[Logan]

She's on a sports team, and we love, like, girls who are athletes because they're, like, really cool and they're driven. And she's also, like, gorgeous. And so, of course, like, like, like. And she's, like, so nice and kind. And so she was just one of the ones who, like, before rush, we were, like, notified to, like, look out for this girl. And so I'm pretty sure with many of the other sororities, that was probably the same case. So she was definitely someone that we had our eye on. And so for girls like that, you have to be, like, really careful because things like, you know, like, mistakes like that are, like, very unfortunate.

[Gia Giudice]

Was she a star athlete? Yeah.

[Logan]

So she's a freshman. But, like, even income, even last year, I know people were talking about her. She's, like, star athlete. And like, like, all, like, everyone who talks to her says she's, like, super nice. And so, like, just having that balance. And we really like athletes, like I said before, just because, like, having, like, people in, like, diverse clubs and, like, just athletes for us are always at the top of the list.

[Gia Giudice]

That is so interesting. And I mean, I think also, like, it's very telling. So the fact that you guys. I. I'm sure. I'm almost positive that that is not, like, that sororities don't share that as in terms of, like, one of their values. Like, you have to be athletic. Most don't. I mean.

[Logan]

Right.

[Gia Giudice]

Some do. Right. But it's not a great. It's a great thing because I think that. That our listeners, like, you might do something. Maybe it's that you're a brainiac. Maybe it's that you're an athlete. Maybe it's that you are so philanthropic. Right. But that. That is part of the process figuring out not just, like, who's cute enough to be with us, but who's gonna fit in and why.

[Logan]

Totally, totally. And that's, like, for us, like, I think that's kind of what sets us apart is because we do look for people in, like, different, you know, people who are pre med. Like, that's very important to us.

[Gia Giudice]

Like.

[Logan]

Yeah, so we like to, like, we really want, like, driven girls, and we also want a really diverse group. And so that's, like, not knowing anything about the rush process going in and hearing things like that is honestly kind of refreshing because, like, you hear, like, the horror stories about, you know, other sororities and other schools where it's like, oh, we're only looking for this type of girl. At least in my house, that's not the case at all, which is very refreshing to hear.

[Gia Giudice]

Yeah, I love that. Do you think that that's the Most of the houses feel that way, or do you think a lot of. Most of them are sort of more shallow, for lack of a better word?

[Logan]

Yeah, I think it honestly depends because there are great girls in every house, but there's also girls that I don't get along with in other houses as well.

[Gia Giudice]

So it kind of just depends on Logan. That's not true.

[Logan]

Well, not necessarily, like, not get along with, but people like, I probably wouldn't vibe with as much as other people. You know what I'm.

[Gia Giudice]

Yes, yes. So, okay, so I love that story. I think it's. It's really insightful. Tell me about your personal experience. I know it sounds like you loved it. You didn't really know what you were getting into. It worked out for you. Were there any moments where you were like, what am I doing? What have I gotten myself into? Or do you just really feel excited and. And, you know, energized by the whole process?

[Logan]

I was more so on the, like, excited side. I like talking to people a lot. And so, like, even on the first rounds when there were people who, you know, weren't necessarily a fit in our sorority, I still had a great time talking to them. And I. One of the girls who I rushed, I. She didn't end up making it into, but I've been texting her every day since. And we're. We've become friends. So, like, just the process is, like, so cool because you meet so many people and. Yeah, it was awesome.

[Gia Giudice]

Like, when you were going through, though,

[Logan]

like, oh, oh, yeah, we. I loved sorority rush on both sides. Last year when I rushed I loved it because same thing, like I loved like talking to people, but I had. We were here during the Palisades fire, so some of our rounds were on Zoom. So that was a little bit unfortunate for us.

[Gia Giudice]

Yeah, yeah, my daughter had that. So let me ask you this. Are you self confident person, you know, would you describe yourself? Like going into it, we were just talking with someone else about. She just had a great attitude about Rush and just sort of it's going to work out, period. Even if I don't get in, it's going to work out. So it sounds to me like going in you didn't have a lot of insecurity around it or like, are they going to like me? Are they not going to like me? How do you approach it that it was such a good experience you think it is about how you approached it or just your specific to your experience?

[Logan]

I think also for me going through spring rush, I think it's a little bit different because I made my friend group fall semester and so I knew that whatever happened.

[Gia Giudice]

Less at stake, right?

[Logan]

Less at stake because I know for my friends at schools with fall rush, a lot of like their friend groups are mainly girls in their sorority because it's who you're thrown into like life with as, you know, a fresh college student. And me having my friend group first, I think really helped me to be more confident and less insecure about the process. But even going into it without having, you know, the thought of my friend group, I just kind of took it day by day. And I, like, it's the cliche, but I think whatever is meant to be truly will be. And not having your mind set on a specific house before you go into it I think is the biggest advice I could give because that happened to one of my friends last year who was only set on one house. And so she was pretty close minded and it didn't work out well for her. So I think that going through rush with just being open to like not listening to like rankings that people tell you, I think just being open minded

[Kristen]

is definitely the best way to go.

[Gia Giudice]

I love that. So let me ask you this. Were you at all conflicted in terms of what house to choose? I mean, I think that would be stressful. Like, you know, it feels like maybe it is a really important decision. Were you or did you just know?

[Logan]

I kind of knew the second I walked into. Like, it's so cliche but truly like that was the house that I was most nervous to go into. But it was like good nerves. It was like, I'm so anxious to go into the house because I'm so excited to talk to, like, another girl. I was conflicted a little bit at the preference round because the other house that I went to did really well at like, just like making you feel like, so wanted there. But I just thought to myself, I was like, what? Like, not, not just this day, but throughout the whole process, what. Where was my heart really at? And so that's kind of where, like, that is what led me to my decision.

[Gia Giudice]

Are you an athlete?

[Logan]

No, but I was in high school.

[Gia Giudice]

You are okay.

[Abby]

Yeah.

[Gia Giudice]

You're athletic, I hope? Yes. It sounds like you had a great experience, which we love. And are you having as good of an experience being in a sorority? Yes.

[Logan]

Wait, sorry.

[Raya]

Yes.

[Logan]

I'm having so much fun. It's awesome.

[Gia Giudice]

All positive.

[Abby]

Yes.

[Gia Giudice]

We love that. Well, I'm not surprised. I look at you, you're adorable and sweet. And I will. You're very welcome. Thank you so much. Thank you for joining us.

[Kristen]

Bye.

[Gia Giudice]

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[Raya]

I went to Loyola Marymount University in la, and I was in Alpha Fee,

[Gia Giudice]

so was my daughter. Okay. Not at Loyola. And we're talking about Rush. If you liked it, if you didn't like it, some of the highlights, some of the lowlights. Did you have a good experience going through Rush?

[Raya]

So my rush experience was kind of like this call. It was on Zoom because I was in 2020.

[Gia Giudice]

Right.

[Raya]

So it was the spring of 2021. And I feel like I can't, like, comment on, like, whether or not it was enjoyable because it was not as stressful as it could be. Since it was all online, I think that you'd.

[Gia Giudice]

I think you'd find. Well, from people that we've spoken to, some. I think some girls felt like it was more stressful because it was online.

[Kristen]

I don't know. I feel like the.

[Raya]

Because, like, I feel like so much of Rush, I always thought it was, like, the outfits and, like, the looking certain way, so I just needed to make sure that, like, my collarbone look looked good, and then I was happy.

[Gia Giudice]

Right. Which is what we do Now I'm in sweatpants.

[Kristen]

Yeah, exactly.

[Gia Giudice]

Yes. Yeah. So it sounds like it was, though, pleasant for you.

[Raya]

I think I just hadn't talked to new people in so long that I was, like, so bubbly and excited to talk to anyone.

[Gia Giudice]

Right.

[Raya]

And obviously, like, during rush, like, they have to seem interested in you all the. Sometimes some of them didn't, which I was like, wait, that's the whole point? So it was nice to be able to, like, just talk to older girls. And I hadn't really met anyone because it was online.

[Gia Giudice]

Okay. Did you know anyone that was going to Loyola?

[Raya]

I knew people my age, but other than that, no.

[Gia Giudice]

Okay. Okay, so. But you're. You were pretty much just going in fresh, like a freshman. Right? So.

[Kristen]

Yeah.

[Gia Giudice]

Yeah. So. Okay, so tell me, because it sounds like you had a good experience. Tell me some of the highlights.

[Raya]

I mean, I got the. My top choice sorority, so I feel like you can't complain in that situation. I feel like that's obviously, like, how

[Gia Giudice]

did you know they were your top choice? Just from, like, I said, how did. Oh, you didn't. Okay.

[Raya]

It was the, like, experience. I mean, also, LMU has, like, five stories. It's not a big.

[Gia Giudice]

Got it.

[Raya]

It's not a big, like, sec school, but so there weren't that many options, and I knew I was choosing between, like, two, and I had, like. I just felt like the girls in the other sorority, like, I really liked who preft me But I didn't like a lot of the conversations I was having. So, like, holistically, I liked Alpha Fee more than my other choice.

[Gia Giudice]

Can you expand on that? What kind? Like, what didn't you like about with the con in terms of conversations?

[Raya]

I mean, I feel like it might have just been like. I don't, like, think that this is personal. It's probably just like part of the. It was like the first semester they'd ever done it. So I just felt like a lot of some of the girls were like, clearly not paying attention to me at all or like, just like being a little bit like, oh, that's like, that's great.

[Gia Giudice]

Yeah. But they weren't going right. They weren't. It wasn't. They weren't deep.

[Kristen]

Yeah.

[Raya]

It just seemed like they, like, wanted it to, like, me to move on, so.

[Gia Giudice]

Right, right.

[Raya]

I didn't feel like they felt like that actually invested in it, which obviously is like, just part of, like, the recruitment process. And like, it's an accident, but that was like the impression I got.

[Gia Giudice]

Right. Right. I think that's. That's probably how it goes, whether it's zoom or live. I mean, you meet people and there's, you know, a lot of it is first impressions are hard and that's what people go off of. But again, you enjoyed the experience. We've had, you know, callers that really didn't and had a horrible rush experience. So I'm glad that it was. That it was good for you. Even though it was zoom. Any parts of it that you love the best?

[Raya]

I mean, I just loved, like, I think the process of actually meeting people. I mean, so many of my friends, like, just because of the way that the social system or set up, like, to this day are Alpha Fee girls. And I feel like I had a lot of conversations with them, like, initially, even during that little zoom process where, like, I was like, oh, my gosh, I would totally be friends with her. And then they're like, to this day, like my best friend, really. So I think I was just really excited about the possibility of, like, friendship. And it was like the first thing in college because, you know, just of how everything was that I was like, wow, like, I, like, I am meeting all these girls. Like, I'm like, actually genuinely really excited about going to this school because before that I was like, I don't even know who goes to the school besides, like, who's in my classes, in our breakout rooms. But it was like the first time I was having, like, one on one, like, genuine Conversations, So I was just so excited.

[Gia Giudice]

Yeah, that's so great. Were you. And it's a weird question, but I was talking to another caller about the fact that they were doing it over zoom, and her roommate was right there doing it at the same time, and it made it tricky. Did you. Did you have a single or would you have a roommate?

[Raya]

So we in at lmu, they didn't know because it was la. So, like, we didn't open until, like, our sophomore year. But second semester, a bunch of us moved to la, so we were living in a house in Playa Del Rey. So all three of my roommates were rushing, but we each had our own rooms.

[Gia Giudice]

So I only. You know what? It's. No, I think I'm asking. I think because for our listeners that haven't gone through rush, somebody gave advice, maybe don't talk about it to your friends. Right. As much as you can. Sort of. Not like, you know, I love this house. I didn't love this house, or, you know, this house definitely wanted me. So that almost. That adds another level of pressure.

[Raya]

Yeah, I think that would have been hard. Yeah, I can imagine. I feel like we all, like, ended up somewhere we were really happy about. And also, I just feel like at lmu, like, there's a little less pressure than there is at other schools because it doesn't necessarily determine, like, whether or not you're gonna get into, like, parties or, like, anything like that. I know, like, you, if you don't get into a certain sorority, it's like you can't go out. But like, lmu, it wasn't necessarily, like, determining our social life or anything, like, super serious. It was just kind of like the girls that you were going to be grouped with. So it was a little less high stakes.

[Gia Giudice]

Listen, so listeners, if you don't want it to be your whole social life, look, look at the service you're doing right now. LMU is the place for you.

[Raya]

Yeah.

[Gia Giudice]

You're thinking of being a sorority, but you might not want to be. You could still get into the parties.

[Raya]

Yeah.

[Gia Giudice]

Which I think is all that matters in college.

[Kristen]

Yeah.

[Raya]

No, it's not like, as, like, people are being like, no, if you're not an Alpha D, you can't go to this party. Very chill.

[Kristen]

Yeah.

[Gia Giudice]

Right, right. I love that. Okay, thank you so much for coming on. Thank you for chatting with us. I appreciate your sharing your experience.

[Raya]

Of course.

[Gia Giudice]

Okay, you guys, we are bringing in now Kristen. Hi, Kristen. Hi.

[Logan]

How are you?

[Gia Giudice]

Good. Thank you for joining us.

[Kristen]

Of course.

[Gia Giudice]

So, Kristen, what school did you go to. Do you go to. Did you. Right.

[Kristen]

I graduated in 2023, and I went to CU Boulder.

[Gia Giudice]

Nice. Oh, I know a lot of kids there right now. What sorority were you in?

[Kristen]

I was in dg.

[Gia Giudice]

Okay. So we're talking today about Rush, and we're getting a lot of different points of view. It's a. I think, though, across the board, people, all the girls are saying it's an intense two weeks. Two weeks, Right. I can't even remember about two weeks about. Give or take. Tell us a little bit about your experience.

[Kristen]

Yeah, so I actually had a relatively positive experience, so a little bit of a flash forward. When I was in high school, I moved, like, across the country my junior year, so kind of had that as something to talk about going into Rush, which made it very easy. And during that time of my life, I was exposed to having to meet new people and about certain things. So when I was in this process, I was able to, like, bring that up and relate to, you know, the struggles of having to push yourself outside of your comfort zone, who I was able to, like, rely on during those tough times. And that, like, just sparked really good and engaging conversations with the girls that I, like, rushed with.

[Gia Giudice]

Wait, I'm going to stop you for one second, because we were talking to another caller about how she said one of the pieces of advice she gave is. Well, she said that she just. She was vulnerable. She was being authentic, and she was. She allowed herself to be vulnerable. And, like, it sounds like from what you're describing, you know, you were open to saying, you know, I learned sort of how to talk to new people, or I moved. That wasn't easy. Is that true? Because I'm. You know, our main objective here is try to get girls listening, you know, give them some advice if we can. Do you feel like you were sort of vulnerable during it?

[Kristen]

And I think that being vulnerable, like, allows, you know, the girls that you're talking to to see a side of you that's different than everyone else. You know, you have the same conversations each time you. You go to a different house, and being able to connect, I think is super important. And everyone's experiences are unique. So just kind of using that and being able to relate to the people you're talking with, I think is super important. And that's how you. They'll remember you, too. If you're able to, like, have a special story and not just say, you know, the basic stuff that.

[Gia Giudice]

Right.

[Kristen]

Oh, scripted.

[Gia Giudice]

And it doesn't have to be, you know, you don't have to talk about the trauma of your life. It's not therapy. But even just like, what you just mentioned, you know, listen, I had to move and. And I had to learn how to sort of, you know, get out of my comfort zone. I could see that.

[Kristen]

And then I also am pretty lucky. So I have three sisters, and we're all, like, 16 to 18 months apart. So I have a lot of girl time. And that made it a bit easier for me, too, I think.

[Gia Giudice]

Were they. Were they in sororities, or are they in sororities?

[Kristen]

So I have one older sister and two younger sisters. My older sister and the third go to. Went to smu, and then the. The baby is a junior at Boulder, and she's also a dg. But we didn't overlap. But, yeah, we each had different experiences. My older sister and the third, they joined different sororities, so they kind of, like, did their own thing. And I think that's really important, too, because there's pressure to be in the same sorority as, like, a family member or, you know, following in. In that legacy, but really going into the experience, like, very authentically, you, like, that's how you find where you're supposed to be. And I feel like that's really important.

[Gia Giudice]

What was it, do you think, during. During rush that that really just convinced you to go dg, right, is what you said. Yeah, we have a lot of DGs today.

[Kristen]

So the girl that I met on the first day ended up being my big. I think that there was just, like, we just had such a great conversation. I haven't. I don't even remember what it was about at this point, but it just felt like I could see a friendship with her and with all the other girls that I talked to. And it was very different with all the other conversations I had with the different houses. It was just a feeling, I think, for me. And I still went into each house with a very open mind, because when I went to Boulder, I didn't know anyone really in a sorority, so I didn't have, you know, the stereotypes of what each sorority was, which ones were the top houses, which ones were the bottom. So I wanted to go in and make sure that I was picking for me and not just, like, what was cool. And that kind of played into the role of my roommate. And I didn't really talk about what houses we liked and which.

[Gia Giudice]

So funny. We were just talking about this.

[Kristen]

Oh, really?

[Gia Giudice]

Yeah, we talked about this a couple times with a couple of callers about how, if you can, try not to compare and contrast with your roommate or your friends. They're going through it. Maybe that. Maybe that's helpful.

[Kristen]

Yep. And we ended up in the same. In the same house. But that just shows that we were, you know, meant to, like, be.

[Jill Interestein]

But.

[Gia Giudice]

Right. Right.

[Kristen]

I thought that that was really important, too, because especially the pressures of, you know, getting dropped the next day, or if you didn't have the best conversation with someone, you know, forcing that is not very good. I think that going in it, just understanding what you like, the good conversations that you have, is the best way to do it.

[Gia Giudice]

Yeah. Yeah. Was it all positive, your experience? Were there any negatives?

[Logan]

No, I.

[Kristen]

It was all positive for me. I got back each house that I wanted every day, so it was kind of my decision which ones to drop, which is very lucky. There was no heartbreaks in, you know, opening the list the next day and losing a house that. Or getting dropped from a house that I wanted to be at. So I think that made my experience way more pleasant, because you could see girls around you so upset and bummed about, you know, getting dropped.

[Gia Giudice]

Well, also, I want to also have you sort of, again, talk a little bit about how you didn't find out. Top tier. What? Like, that's not an easy thing to. I don't know any kids, and I have two. One that was in frat, one in a sorority. But, like, that went into it and didn't know exactly what was top tier. Did you have to, like, make a conscious effort to not find out?

[Kristen]

Well, it kind of. As the days went on, it got harder to do that because the girls in line were talking about how much they loved this house. And then, you know, it was a little bit quieter at other houses. And, you know, you could feel the energy in the line based on, like, what was considered top house. Because there are some girls that put so much pressure on, you know, being, like, their best selves for. For that house. But I just kind of wanted to. I really. Just based on the conversations I had throughout the day and what girls I could see myself being friends with.

[Gia Giudice]

Did you have advice before the experience? Did your mom tell you, listen, this is because I just think that's such a great, mature way to go into it. My daughter went into it, and there was nothing I could say to her. She wanted the top tier. I was, like, gonna throw up every time she'd say it.

[Logan]

I know.

[Kristen]

Because that just makes it so much scarier to me.

[Gia Giudice]

Yeah.

[Kristen]

But my mom, she was in a sorority. She went to Bucknell, and she's still, like, best friends with all of her. Her sisters. And my older sister has great friends, and she did it the year prior, and she had a relatively good experience with hers, too. Like, she ended up becoming Rush chair a few years down the line. But I think it all stems back to moving when I was younger, because you never know what will happen when there's change and just being okay with adapting to it, and whatever happens, happens, and it's meant to be. And I've kind of always approached Rush in that same, same way because I knew that, you know, if that didn't work out, there's something will. And, you know, if you put so much pressure on it, you're just gonna get let down. And I didn't want that. You know, as a freshman first semester,

[Gia Giudice]

you knew, you said. I think you said you knew right away, or did you say you didn't know right away? I can't remember. Like. Like, when you first spoke to this dg, was it like, okay, this one's for me, or did it take a while?

[Kristen]

It definitely went up my list. And every day, I was, like, very excited to go back because each time I met, you know, a new girl that I really liked, but there were still other houses that I was, like, happy to go to. I really liked, I think, two of the other ones. So as the days went on, I kind of started leaning more towards dg because those conversations just kept getting better. And, you know, girls would come up and say hi from previous days, and it, like, felt good to be remembered. And I remember on pref night, I was in between, obviously, two sororities, and they come down the stairs and kind of take you into this, like, more ceremony type night. And I knew who was going to be coming down the stairs for me in. In dg, but for my other house, I had no idea. And every girl that I had talked to, I thought, oh, maybe her. And then they picked up another girl. And then I was paired with this random girl on the last night. So I was like. That kind of proved to me, too,

[Gia Giudice]

that it wasn't right.

[Logan]

Right.

[Kristen]

That was, like, a big tell for me. So it was easy the next day after that to decide that I wanted to be a dg.

[Gia Giudice]

It's funny, you know, Obviously, everyone has different experiences, and I think it's different at every school. And now I think of Boulder because I have a lot of friends now with kids there. And I think of the school itself. My kids didn't look at it. I wish that they had. But I think of the school itself as sort of more laid back. It's, you know, outdoorsy. I don't know that it's crunchy, but I feel like what I've heard is that kids that go to Boulder are, I don't know, accepting and. And tend to be not all of them outdoorsy and. And nice and kind and all of that. I wonder if it's a different experience at Boulder.

[Kristen]

You know, there's definitely another side to that. I think that there. It is pretty intense at the same time, too, because a big part of the social aspect at Boulder is Greek life, especially for, I would say, the first two years. And then, you know, once you hit junior year, you've kind of established your friend group, and that can be within your sorority or you might have, like, a few friends outside that, but.

[Gia Giudice]

Right.

[Kristen]

99% of my friends still to this day were all in my same sorority, so there is the intensity around that, too.

[Gia Giudice]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anything that you would recommend do differently, like, the most. Any sort of things that we could have our listeners tell our listeners about. Yeah.

[Kristen]

I think that the most important thing is to stay authentic to yourself and not put too much pressure on. On rush. It is such an amazing thing if you let it be, and it can change your life in some amazing ways and be ready for that. But it might take some twists and turns along the way, and it might not go as you expect it, but it always works out. You know, it might seem like a life or death thing freshman year, and then later down the line, you realize that it was meant to be, and you'll find your people. You'll find your happiness. Just, like, trust the process. I know they always say that, but I truly believe that you have to believe in that to, like, find happiness within, like, sorority life, because there is a lot of pressure, and I think that it's not necessary some of the times, but, yeah, just be important to, like, be yourself and everything will work out.

[Gia Giudice]

You know, as you're talking, I'm thinking. And I haven't asked anyone this before, but, like, we talked a little bit with some of the girls about, okay, my sorority was perfect because we really love athletes, and I was very athletic in high school. Was there anything in your sorority any sort of, I don't know, attribute or characteristic of your sorority that you really related to? Like, all the girls are brainiacs or, you know, these girls are very down to earth.

[Kristen]

Yeah. We have this saying that, you know, all DGs work hard and play hard. So, like, we all wanted. Yeah, we wanted to work hard in terms of like school and friendships and like our relationships with our families. But also like there is that aspect of, of having fun and, and doing it all together and doing it to, you know, whatever extremes you kind of want to do. And we all were like there for each other. And I think that it shows that I'm still friends with 12 of my like sorority sisters to this day. Yeah, like texting every day, you know, family at this point, it's, they're the best friends I could ask for. Even like my, my parents, they always say that I found the best friends out of like any of my sisters feel like that my sisters, I think they have some, some jealousy towards it. My friends were just an amazing group of girls and so lucky that I found them. And it, it took becoming a DG to find them.

[Gia Giudice]

So go dg.

[Kristen]

Pretty incredible.

[Gia Giudice]

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[Gia Giudice]

Okay you guys, so now we are bringing in Abby. Welcome to Dirty Rush.

[Abby]

Thanks.

[Gia Giudice]

So I know you went to Boulder and Abby, what Sorority were you in?

[Abby]

I was in Delta Gamma.

[Gia Giudice]

Okay. We're talking really about rush today, and we've talked to quite a few girls, some who loved it, some who liked it, and some who hated it. And I think it's. It's really interesting to, you know, get to hear from all ends of the spectrum. So, you know, tell us a little bit, if you would, about your rush experience.

[Abby]

Yeah, so I really, honestly loved rush. I think I had an interesting experience before coming into college because I went to really small girls school. Kind of grew up with the same group of girls almost my whole life, and they're still my best friends. So when I went to, like, a huge, massive state school where I didn't know anyone and we rushed first semester, I kind of just jumped into it to kind of look for the sisterhood that I had grown up with. So that aspect was really fun because I kind of got to, like, see which house or which group of girls whether there. There were. Whether it was the girls who I was rushing with or the older girls who were already in houses. Like, I kind of got to see which group of people, like, almost reflected my friends from home or, like, the girls that I grew up with.

[Gia Giudice]

Well, tell me a little bit, if you wouldn't mind. What is. What did that mean for you? So what were you looking for? What did the girls at home have that you were looking for in a sorority?

[Abby]

In sorority sisters, just, like, unconditional love, but also, like, being totally yourself and being comfortable with each other's family and being weird and, like, not being serious? I guess.

[Gia Giudice]

Was it hard to know if that was. If those kinds of. If, you know, you were in rush, it happened so quickly. Could you identify those girls? Do you feel like it was. You were able to know, you know, which house was right for you looking for that type of girl?

[Abby]

Yeah, I definitely felt it. I felt it after the first day, after seeing every house, for sure. Like, I definitely felt like there were houses where sometimes, like, my conversations with people maybe didn't feel as genuine or like it didn't flow the same way. We didn't get as deep as some of the other places. So I had a feeling. And then as the days went on, it kind of like each one separated more and more. So, like, I knew from the beginning. I also went into Boulder not knowing anything about the houses. Like, I didn't know what was considered, like, a super social house or, you know, like a. I didn't really know any of that.

[Gia Giudice]

Would you recommend that? Do you think that's that's made it easier or harder.

[Abby]

I think I preferred it that way for me, because I think if I knew, like, I would have. If I knew maybe the stereotypes or whatever of each house, I would have probably put more pressure on myself and, like, thought. Thought through the things that I would say more. But I remember after the first day, like, the conversation that I had in at Delta Gamma, which is obviously what I ended up being, was so, like, off topic in a way. Like, it just.

[Gia Giudice]

Do you remember what it was?

[Abby]

Honestly? Like, no, but I remember it was my last house of the day. But the first two days, it was the last house I had, and I didn't have a voice like, either of those days anymore. And so, like, the girls who I were. I was talking to, like, we went outside where it wasn't super loud and I didn't have to scream, and, like, kind of just joked around about the fact that, like, I was in Rush and I could barely talk, right? So just, like, kind of goofy. But, yeah, it. It was great. I also really loved it because at the end of the day, like, people like to talk about themselves. And I think, like, rush was a really fun place where you could talk. I could talk about things that, like, I loved or I was excited about or passionate about to other girls. And, like, if they. You could immediately tell if they were the same, if they had the same passions as you did and cared about the same things, because, like, that's what you talk about.

[Gia Giudice]

So can you give me one example of that? I'm always thinking, like, when I'm talking to our guests, you know, I'm thinking about who's about the listeners. And so that's why I like to try to. Excuse me for that, but, like, kind of push to be specific, but, like, anything sort of specifically.

[Abby]

Oh, specifically. Like, specifically the things that, like, I'm passionate about. That I would talk about.

[Gia Giudice]

Yeah. That you wanted to hear. Like, you wanted to connect on. Like, yeah.

[Abby]

I think that I would always ask people, like. And I would get this question too. One of us would always ask it first. I feel like, like. Like talking about where I grew up in my family and my friends. And, like, I remember someone asked me, like, how would you describe your friends? And then how would your friends describe you? So, like, I was always. I mean, like I said earlier, like, I was always really passionate about my friends. That's like, those are, like, my people. So when I had gone there, like, I was super passionate about talking about them. But then also, like, I feel like I talked about such random things. Like, like, I played lacrosse growing up. So, like, I talked about that where. And that was more of like an east coast thing versus a west coast thing. So, like, talking to the west coast girls about the sports they like and getting to explain the sports that I would play and really, like, just sort

[Gia Giudice]

of getting actually like, you know, getting past the, you know, hi, how are you? Oh, yeah, I love it. And I had great friends and. But sort of like, it sounds like you were able to dive a little deeper.

[Abby]

Yeah, I also, I think that this is different for everyone, but when I was in high school, I did like over 100 hours of community service, which I was really, really passionate about. Like, and I. I specifically focus in like, one area of community service. So I also really liked talking about that even though, like, it. Even though I didn't get as many hours of community service in college, but that was like a big thing for me because you can kind of tell when, like, obviously everybody has a community service aspect or philanthropy connected to their house. But, like, you could totally. You can totally differentiate, like, which philanthropy means most to you and why.

[Gia Giudice]

Right, right.

[Abby]

I didn't ultimately make my decision based on that, but it was definitely a factor. And it was definitely like, you could. You could really dive into that with people if it does interest you.

[Gia Giudice]

Well, it sounds like you have. You had a really good experience. Was there anything that, you know, wasn't great? You know, I. Everybody's nervous, right?

[Logan]

And.

[Gia Giudice]

And I know that. I know even, you know, more today after talking to so many girls, but it's not usually a straight line. There's. There's anxiety and, you know, yeah, there's that feeling maybe of being judged. You know, some girls fly through it, others not so much. Did you have any moments that were more difficult?

[Abby]

Definitely, like, waiting to hear back. I was like, so anxious, especially as the days progress, because you obviously, like, cut down on the amount of houses you have and. Yeah, it's an anxiety ridden. Like, ours was, I don't know, maybe like five straight days. I. I think now it can be longer.

[Gia Giudice]

Right.

[Abby]

Or like, even split up. So I think, like, doing your best to distract yourself. And then also, like, I had to. I kept reminding myself the whole time, like, even if my friends are in a different house, literally has no effect in your social life. And, like, the older you get, the less it matters. Like, I remember, like, when I had first moved or when after I graduated. Like, I hang out with girls all the time who weren't in my sorority and we would Hang out with them in college and things like that. Like, you can let it define yourself as much as you want. So, like, with that, that can kind of be helpful to ease the anxiety, I guess.

[Gia Giudice]

Yeah. Yeah. Would you give any advice you would give to girls that are, you know, going to go through rush?

[Abby]

Yeah, I would say. I would say, like, even more so than staying true to yourself. Like, don't. There's never a house or someone who's rushing you that's like looking for a specific answer. Like, there's like, going to X house versus Z house. Like, they're not looking for one answer, and they're not looking for one answer. So, like, if you. There's no. There's nothing. Right. So, you know, like, just put yourself on the line. It's super, like, intimidating and stuff. But that's on the flip side of it at Rush, like, that's when we can feel we can connect the most with the girls who we want to be in our house. So I would say, like, throw it

[Gia Giudice]

all on the line.

[Abby]

Who cares?

[Gia Giudice]

You know, that's been. That's sort of been a theme today, talking about how allowing yourself to be a little vulnerable during this process, you know, not. It's not therapy, you know, not going in and with your deepest, darkest. But allowing, you know, to talk maybe a little bit about. Well, you know, I'm a little nervous about this or, you know, I had a hard time with this, or I learned a lot. I was. Used to be insecure or. I don't know. I mean, I'm just making this up. But do you think that that's. That's helpful? Because I know there's a lot of posing that goes on.

[Abby]

Yeah, no, I think that that is. I think that that is helpful. I also think, like, it's. It's not, like, vastly important, but it's also kind of good to read. Read the person who you're talking to. Like, if you're talking to someone and it's not clicking, like, use it as practice, but, like, you don't have to force the conversation. You know, your odds are you'll come back to the house the next day and you'll talk to someone else and it will click. Like, you just never know. So I would say, like, also don't beat yourself up on, like, if you have a conversation that maybe didn't leave you feeling, like, on the moon, it doesn't. Everybody's different, even within the same house. So.

[Gia Giudice]

Yeah, I love that. That's great advice. So do you feel like the Process allowed you to get into the house you were supposed to get into. Obviously you do, but I'm asking.

[Abby]

I do.

[Gia Giudice]

Yeah, I do.

[Abby]

I definitely do. I. What I was looking for, I definitely found, like, I, I found the right people. It was, it was perfect and I'm very lucky. But I also understand that's like not the case for every single person.

[Gia Giudice]

Sure.

[Abby]

But yeah, I, I do feel like it, it served me right.

[Gia Giudice]

Do you like being on the other side of it? Do you like talking to the girls going through rush, which is. Oh my God.

[Abby]

Yeah. Yeah, I, I loved, I think I liked being on the other side of it more because, like, less pressure. I don't even know if it's less pressure, but like I, I remember even like as seniors when you're kind of older and like, you're like, these aren't going to be your littles, like right there were like, we all would meet girls and like get so obsessed with them and like fight over who gets to talk to them and like, it's so nerve wracking for us because we're like, we want you to pick us.

[Gia Giudice]

Yeah.

[Abby]

But like, I really liked the other side of it too because I don't know, I'm an older sister. So like, it was also fun to

[Gia Giudice]

kind of like, yeah, you're big sistering them.

[Abby]

Yeah.

[Gia Giudice]

Yeah, I love that. Okay, my friend, thank you so much for all this. We appreciate it.

[Abby]

Thank you.

[Gia Giudice]

Yeah. And to our listeners, you got some good stuff here. So, you know, take notes. Thank you for coming on.

[Abby]

Thank you. Bye.

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