Watch How You Talk Sis (RHOP Recap)

Summary

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Two Ts In A Pod: "Watch How You Talk Sis" (RHOP Recap)

Hosts: Teddi Mellencamp & Tamra Judge
Date: December 22, 2025
Episode Focus: RHOP (Real Housewives of Potomac) Season Recap & Deep Dive Into Sibling, Parental, and Interpersonal Dynamics

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Overview

In this episode, Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge (referred to as Dolores and Sophie in the transcript, likely pseudonyms or slip-ups) break down Episode 12 of Real Housewives of Potomac (RHOP), focusing on the season's heated family and friend dynamics, headline gossip from the Bravo universe, and listener questions about housewife returns and career changes. They candidly react to the episode’s major drama and controversies, especially centering on sibling and parent relationships, as well as cast moves and behind-the-scenes motivators.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Pop Culture Headlines (03:55–09:25)

• Brittany Bateman’s Ex-Husband’s Arrest
  • Discussed the serious consequences of violating a protective order, referencing Brittany’s harassment and doxxing incident.
  • Quote: “It’s a really big deal to violate a protective order. They do not play around.” – Sophie (04:22)
  • The impact on family, especially when children’s well-being is involved.
• Legal Troubles for Wendy & Eddie (RHOP)
  • Wendy and Eddie’s failed attempt to squash a subpoena for eight years’ worth of financial records.
  • Quote: “When you get audited, they’re allowed to go back eight years—I believe—so within that eight years you better hope you are clean.” – Sophie (06:10)
  • The trial is set for April next year, raising concerns about their financial transparency.
• Nene Leakes Possibly Returning to RHOA
  • Speculation swirls about whether Nene will rejoin as a main cast member or for another Bravo project, despite past lawsuits with the network.
  • Nostalgia and anxiety attached to a major housewife’s comeback.
  • Tamra (Dolores) compares her own return after leaving and how much pressure is involved.
  • Quote: “Going back, I felt extra pressure because I felt like, well, the show’s not in a good place. If I come back and the show’s still not in a good place, then it’s on me.” – Dolores (07:41)

2. Recap of RHOP Episode 12 (14:44–39:58)

Eviction Drama & Exclusionary Tactics

• Angel’s “Eviction”
  • Debunks the “eviction” rumor, clarifying Angel’s rental ended normally.
  • Comments on cast members’ tendency to target or exclude new faces for drama.
  • Quote: “They’re just trying to find something wrong with her, so they have drama for the show. They’re not nice to her.” – Dolores (15:20)
  • Noticed “mean girl” behavior during group activities such as Ashley being left out intentionally.
  • Sophie: “Even if you don’t like her…well, you guys are getting ready to play a game and leave the girl on the side.” (15:36)

Breaking the Fourth Wall & The Housewives Business

• Production Realities
  • The hosts acknowledge that being a housewife is a business, and moving for the show is a rational choice.
  • Dolores: “Housewives is a job and a business. So if some producer reaches out to you and said, ‘hey, we’d really like to have you on the show,’ you bet your sweet ass…you’re going to move.” (16:24)
  • Advice to Angel: Be more assertive when challenged by other cast members.

Ashley’s Relationship with Jackson – The “Kissing” Controversy

• Debate over whether cast member Ashley’s flirtations (kissing her friend’s son) cross boundaries, with Tamra (Dolores) and Sophie candidly discussing how they’d feel as mothers.
  • Sophie: “If I was the mom…You’re weird. And that’s gross.” (17:24)
• Age difference and appropriateness debated.

Stacy & Josh’s Relationship Drama

• Stacy’s returned romance sparks skepticism regarding intentions, with underlying suggestions that relationship drama may be manufactured for TV.
• Discussion about Uncle Lump’s advice to Ashley about not wasting time on a younger man (Josh): “You cannot waste your youth—that is a crime in of itself. My mother always said, do not let a man waste your youth.” – Sophie (24:31)

Wendy’s Family Tensions & Heartbreak

• Touching recaps on Wendy’s strained relationships with both parents.
• Emotional FaceTime with her dad, highlighting a theme of intergenerational miscommunication and cultural expectations.
  • Sophie: “As a parent, as a first-time parent, it’s hard. It’s not easy.” (20:13)
• Delves into the new modern trend of “protecting your peace” by distancing from parents, contrasted with old-school values about maintaining family ties.
  • Dolores: “Nowadays kids are just like, ‘you know what? I’m protecting my peace.’ …It’s basically, you’re running from your problems. I mean, unless your parents are abusive or things like that…” (21:11)

Sibling Dynamics: Tia and Her Half-Sister

• Tia reconnects with her half-sister, shedding light on blended families and the complicated feelings that arise.
• Hosts debate whether children should feel obligated to bond with half-siblings, especially if these relationships are reminders of parental betrayals.
  • Sophie: “It is a personal [choice]… Moms have to leave that up to the kids’ decision and don’t hold it against them.” (28:29, 28:35)

Wendy, Her Mom, and Generational Hurt (33:03–39:58)

• The hosts dissect a “heated” confrontation between Wendy and her mother after Wendy reconnects with her estranged father.
  • Wendy’s mother calls her ex a “sperm donor,” expressing deep, unresolved pain at shouldering single parenthood.
  • Dolores: “Her mom, I don’t have any words.” (33:21)
  • Sophie: “A guy could zip up his pants and walk away, right? All he wants. …I watched this. I lived it.” (33:37)
• They weigh the fairness of parental anger, questioning if Wendy’s mom’s bitterness is justified versus harmful.
  • Sophie: “If someone thinks they’re going to regret it, then they have to take it and do it anyway.” (39:28)

Allowances and Family Boundaries

• The debate on financial support for parents: Should it come with respect and boundaries?
  • Sophie (about Wendy’s mom): “When Wendy’s paying the allowance, you got to watch how you talk to her, sis.” (39:47)
  • Both agree – if you’re providing for family as an adult, there’s a line.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Protective Orders:

  • “It’s a really big deal to violate a protective order. They do not play around.”
    – Sophie (04:22)

• On Nene Leakes’ (Possible) Return:

  • “She had a lot of lawsuits with Bravo… I think she was the one that broke the ice of suing Bravo. A housewife suing, if I remember correctly.”
    – Sophie (07:04)

• On Pressure Returning to Reality TV:

  • “The show didn’t do well without me… I felt like, well, the show’s not in a good place. If I come back and the show’s still not in a good place, then it’s on me.”
    – Dolores (07:41)

• Advice for New Housewives:

  • “Housewives is a job and a business. So if some producer reaches out to you… you bet your sweet ass… you’re going to move.”
    – Dolores (16:24)

• On Parental Reconciliation:

  • “We’re hard on our parents because we have expectations for them. But I know that as a parent, I could have done better in so many things.”
    – Sophie (19:33)
  • “Not every parent deserves that grace. …But for yourself, you know, and if not, that’s fine. …Because regret is a really rough thing.”
    – Sophie (22:06)

• On Wasted Youth in Relationships:

  • “You cannot waste your youth—that is a crime in of itself. My mother always said, do not let a man waste your youth.”
    – Sophie (24:31)

• Explosive Family Confrontation:

  • “Her mom just gets pissed off and is like, he’s no dad, he’s a sperm donor.”
    – Dolores (33:26)
  • “If that is the way he treated her, and if…all responsibilities for you and your sister were on her, I don’t blame her for being mad, but she shouldn’t act the way she does. …I mean, she got vicious.”
    – Sophie (37:15)

• Boundaries with Parents and Money:

  • “When Wendy’s paying the allowance, you got to watch how you talk to her, sis. Sorry.”
    – Sophie (39:47)
  • “That’s how I am now. If I’m paying for anything of yours, you better watch how you talk to me.”
    – Dolores (39:49)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Pop Culture Headlines: 03:55–09:25
• RHOP Episode 12 Breakdown Begins: 14:44
• Angel’s Eviction Rumors: 14:44–16:43
• Mean Girl Energy (Ashley Exclusion): 15:36–16:43
• Kiss Drama—Ashley & Jackson: 17:06–18:17
• Wendy, Her Dad, and Cultural Tension: 19:13–20:50
• Modern Parenting & "Protecting Your Peace": 20:57–22:14
• Tia and Her Half Sister: 26:48–29:11
• Wendy’s Confrontation with Her Mom: 33:03–39:58
• Closing Reflections: 39:37–39:58

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Tone and Style

The episode is candid, honest, and peppered with humor and sarcasm characteristic of both Teddi and Tamra. The hosts don’t pull punches when giving advice or voicing opinions, especially about family dynamics, the realities of production, and boundaries with both friends and parents. They offer both empathy and tough love, especially for viewers dealing with similar family challenges.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This recap offers a full-fledged look at both the topical Bravo world headlines and the nuanced, emotionally-charged storylines of RHOP. Teddi and Tamra (Dolores and Sophie) provide behind-the-scenes insight as real housewives themselves, candidly sharing personal stories and honest advice. Major themes include the complexities of sibling and parental relationships, motivations for staying in reality TV, establishing boundaries (especially with family), and the realities of navigating the “Housewives” universe as both job and drama.

Whether you’re a die-hard RHOP viewer or just a fan of housewives in general, this episode offers sharp takes, memorable moments, and thoughtful reflections—especially for anyone navigating family, fame, and all the messiness in between.

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Transcript

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[Dolores]

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[Dolores]

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[Podcast Host]

Mellencamp and Tamara Judge.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Hi, guys.

[Dolores]

Welcome to another episode of two Teas in the pod with myself and Dolores. Good morning, Dolores. Good morning, my friend.

[Sophie Cunningham]

I'm looking festive, but a little peaked. I'm not feeling great. This has been lingering on and off since bravocon. Yeah, how'd you know I was gonna say that?

[Dolores]

Because it took Eddie a month to finally kick it, two rounds of antibiotics and a month of being sick. So anyway, I know it's not fun.

[Sophie Cunningham]

So cute.

[Dolores]

Oh, thank you.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Is that hat covering your horns, girl?

[Dolores]

It is. My horns are inside this.

[Sophie Cunningham]

If you pull that off. I know too sparkly devil horns.

[Dolores]

So we are going to cover potomac today episode 12. But before that, let's get into some headlines that have going through social media. Do you want to start with the first one?

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Yeah.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Brittany Bateman's ex husband is arrested for violating the protective order allegedly doxed. This is her year to get harassed, huh? Yeah, I'm sorry to hear that. That's a scary thing. And you know, it's a really big deal to violate a protective order. They do not play around.

[Dolores]

It is like protective order, like a.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Like a restraining order.

[Dolores]

Okay.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Yeah. And you, you know, back when, when I was in this business, you went right to jail. They don't play. This is the husband of. Of.

[Dolores]

So is this the husband that she has kids with?

[Sophie Cunningham]

No, no, this is the husband. The one she remarried.

[Dolores]

Oh, the one that her children didn't like because she's been married a few times. Okay.

[Sophie Cunningham]

This is the. They weren't wrong about him. But kids are typically not wrong. They're like dogs. They could sniff out back bad people.

[Dolores]

Well, I guess he's harassing her and there's. I don't know.

[Sophie Cunningham]

But getting famous.

[Dolores]

Yeah. Well, a new legal docs said that his name is John essentially docks Britney earlier this month by posting her cell phone number on Tik Tok with the comment There you go. Give her a call. And then according to the papers, Britney received unpleasant text messages from strangers. As a result had unknown people come to her house and just a bunch of was going on.

[Sophie Cunningham]

So she had some problems. So was it worth. This is the guy who her kids claim she chose him over them.

[Dolores]

Yeah. So not good. Now another thing that's not great is you know, Wendy and Eddie had their day in court. It was an effort to Squash the subpoena for eight years worth of records.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Yeah, because that's where they're going to get you.

[Dolores]

But what is that? Why do they need eight years of records? Is it something to do with taxes or.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Well, when you get. I mean, I don't know. I don't really know the logistics of it. But when you get audited, they're allowed to go back eight years, I believe. So within that eight years, you better hope you are clean.

[Dolores]

Well, they are being forced to turn over their financial records.

[Sophie Cunningham]

They lost that.

[Dolores]

Yeah. So the trial begins in April of next year.

[Sophie Cunningham]

April of next year.

[Dolores]

That's not good. I don't know if this is true or not, but I'm here for it. Real Housewives of Atlanta. Nene Leaks is in talks to make a return on Bravo. And now I've seen. I've heard two different things, that she's going to do another show. She might. Then I heard she was back in Atlanta, and then now I'm hearing that she's going to be going on the Girls Girls trip. So I don't know if that's like a main cast member or she's going to go to a party or what. And I don't even know if this is true.

[Sophie Cunningham]

She had a lot of lawsuits with Bravo, and she. She really fought with them about a lot of things. I think she was the one that broke the ice of suing Bravo. A housewife suing, if I remember correctly. And they're bringing her back. Well, okay. She's a great housewife, and a lot of people are here for it. Yeah, a lot of people are very, very excited for it.

[Dolores]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Sophie Cunningham]

All right, Nene, let's see if it's like riding a bike. What's it like? Let me ask you, Tamara, because I'm asking for a friend. What's it like to go back after you haven't been on for a bit?

[Dolores]

A little bit intimidating. For me, it was the show didn't do well without me. But then also, the show aired during the pandemic, and the girls just. They just couldn't pull it off. So going back, I felt extra pressure because I felt like, well, the show's not in a good place. If I come back and the show's still not in a good place, then it's on me. So I felt like a lot of pressure, a lot of pressure.

[Sophie Cunningham]

But, well, you can only be yourself. You know, it's yourself that gets you there. It's yourself that gets you back. It's also sometimes yourself that Gets you off. Right. So you just can only be yourself. You can't try. You can't get in your own head. I know. That's easier said than done. And you can't look at what other housewives are doing. That's the biggest thing.

[Dolores]

Because that, let's say Jersey comes back, which I did see some headlines. You know, of course it's probably lies or rumors, but it said that you, Teresa, Melissa, Margaret and Jen Fessler were for sure coming back to next season.

[Sophie Cunningham]

We haven't heard anything. I'm not even holding it. I'm not even going to say, oh, call me later. I'll tell you. It's not like that.

[Dolores]

Yeah, so you're not anything.

[Sophie Cunningham]

There's nothing. And you know that there's different slots. Like, you just don't pick up and say, oh, great, we got a, we got a cast now. And Bravo's like, okay, we got a cast. We could start tomorrow. That doesn't happen. This is a very planned, thought out thing. There's a production company involved. There are people involved that have to, like, get their lives going and, you know, stay at certain places and, and they, they need crews and people have already taken jobs. Not like the Housewives, but, you know, the production company.

[Dolores]

Right, right, right.

[Sophie Cunningham]

So, so that's, you know, being that we haven't heard right now, that doesn't mean. That kind of means, like, nothing's happening within the.

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[Dolores]

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[Dolores]

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[Dolores]

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[Dolores]

Family from the Caribbean.

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[Dolores]

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[Sophie Cunningham]

Somebody else is coming. You gotta go.

[Dolores]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sophie Cunningham]

So.

[Dolores]

So all the girls, some of the girls are just really hard on her about, you know, oh, she was kicked out. They're trying to find something wrong. And that's how it's playing to me. Like they're just trying to find something wrong with her. So they have drama on the show. They're not nice to her, they're not nice to her.

[Sophie Cunningham]

And then, you know, later on they're like taking a picture. No, no. They were playing tug of war and they didn't say, hey, Ashley, come on. And this is like mean girl stuff. I don't like it. I'm sorry. Even if you don't like her, I know it's not like great to be leaving somebody else. Sometimes you do what you don't realize, but, well, you guys are getting ready to play a game and leaving the girl on the side.

[Dolores]

So Ashley comes up to her, right? And it's like, hey, some girls are thinking you just moved here so you can be on the show.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Well, first of all, we never used to break the fourth wall.

[Dolores]

But okay, but here's the thing, angel, even in her confessionals, like, yeah, I moved here to be with Ashley, Giselle and Wendy.

[Podcast Promo Voice]

Yeah.

[Dolores]

Are you kidding me? Maybe I wish she would have said that in the moment, but sometimes you don't always think quite quick enough.

[Sophie Cunningham]

But she's new. Like, she's not quick on her feet yet.

[Dolores]

Yeah, but here's the thing, guys. I hate to break it to you, but Housewives is a job and a business. So if some producer reaches out to you and said, hey, we'd really like to have you on the show, you bet your sweet ass. If you want to do it, you're going to move.

[Sophie Cunningham]

You know what, Angel? I'm going to say it again. Said with love. Start opening your mouth when somebody comes up and makes you feel a certain way. Yeah, you got to get tough, girl, because you will not make it here. Just say, like, which you know. And what about you? Let's talk about. Put it back. Let's talk about you, Ashley.

[Dolores]

Let's talk about you, Ashley, kissing Jackson, your friend's son.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Well, Wendy talked about that.

[Dolores]

So what are your thoughts on would you ever make out or kiss with little. Like, let's say no.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Question was if I was the mom. I'm always the mom. Like somebody saying, yeah, I just made out with your son and you're like my friend. You're weird. And that's gross.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Sophie Cunningham]

And my son wouldn't do that. There's a lot of girls to kiss.

[Dolores]

Yeah.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Ashley's hot. So, I mean, I get it.

[Dolores]

I mean, what is there like a 10 year age difference between the two of them?

[Sophie Cunningham]

10?

[Dolores]

Is that all between the Jackson and Ashley?

[Sophie Cunningham]

It's not the age, right?

[Dolores]

Well, yeah. Yeah. I was just trying to figure out, like, how old he was when this happened.

[Sophie Cunningham]

I don't care who it is. I don't like that.

[Dolores]

I know.

[Sophie Cunningham]

No.

[Dolores]

So we get to see.

[Sophie Cunningham]

But Ashley, did you see her? And watch what happens. Live girl.

[Podcast Promo Voice]

She looks.

[Dolores]

Well, she always looks good. She's beautiful.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Body's insane. Like it's not the boy's fault.

[Dolores]

No. So we get to see Theo Timo. I always butcher his name.

[Sophie Cunningham]

And Stacy, you know, she's back to dating Josh. And watch what happens live.

[Dolores]

I did see a clip did he.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Get a raise or something? Did he plan a vacation? What changed? Why are you back with Josh now?

[Dolores]

One might say. Oh, you just did that for tv. Angel could come back and say that you just broke up with them for tv. Just.

[Sophie Cunningham]

I think Josh's mother's bailing right now. Right, but they. Do they have a good time. He's a nice guy. He's a nice guy.

[Dolores]

But, yeah, he seems like a really nice guy.

[Sophie Cunningham]

But Ashley, like, Uncle Lump said cut him loose because he's too young for you. He wants a life and important things like having a child, and you're not doing that. So I felt like that's like Uncle Lump was trying to tell her, like, give the guy a break, because we know you're gonna just eviscerate the out of him.

[Dolores]

Okay. So Wendy calls her dad and tells him that she misses him. And then she gets him on FaceTime. And he's cute.

[Sophie Cunningham]

He's young.

[Dolores]

Yeah, it was a sweet moment. Have we heard about Wendy talk about her dad in the past or is this something kind of new this season? I don't remember her talking about her.

[Sophie Cunningham]

I feel like I would have remembered that. But what I'm gonna say is that, you know, we're. We're hard on our parents because we have expectations for them. But I know that as a parent, I pro. I could have done better in so many things.

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[Sophie Cunningham]

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[Dolores]

I saw.

[Sophie Cunningham]

So cute, beautiful. And she's like. It's like, oh, my God. It's like nothing I can describe. And my friend Chris, the same thing. Like, people talk about it, but as a, As a parent, as a first time parent, it's hard. It's not easy.

[Dolores]

Yeah.

[Sophie Cunningham]

So getting to what my point is, is, you know, we. Wendy's dad worked with what he had. He's very old school. Nigerian old school. He's like, let's not talk about the past. She's like, I didn't see you for my birthday. He's like, let's not talk about the past. You know, they, they want you to be hard. They grew up harder Than everyone. Right, right. I.

[Dolores]

Because of my situation with my daughter, I follow a lot of people that talk about stuff like this.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Yeah, I'd love to hear about that. Yeah.

[Dolores]

And there's one lady, older lady, that I just started following, and she's been on both sides of it. So she was a kid that turned their back on their parent, and then she had her. Wait, her parents turned her. Their back on her, and then she turned her back on them. It's a whole long story. But just listening to her talk and she said, listen, you're just kids that grew up that had kids. Like, we make mistakes. And nowadays kids are just like, you know what? I'm protecting my peace. There's a lot of that going on. Instead of working through whatever the issue you had with your parent, I'm protecting my piece. It's basically you're running from your problems. Just a new modern way of saying, I'm running for my problems. I mean, unless your parents are abusive or things like that, in this situation, it sounds like the dad wasn't always around. But, you know, at the end of the day, and I tell my kids this, he. He's still your dad. You can't agree with everything that he says or does, but.

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[Dolores]

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[Sophie Cunningham]

Not every parent, though, not every parent deserves that, Grace. They don't.

[Dolores]

No, they don't. There is exceptions for sure.

[Sophie Cunningham]

For sure. And there is also a part of it that is a part of your healing. Healing by forgiving them in a. In a way. And I. And that's really where I. The place I come from. When I speak to people who have that kind of thing, I'm like, for yourself, you know, and if not, that's fine. Everybody, to each his own. But if you want to think about. If there's one day where they're not here anymore, you're going to regret. Because regret is a really rough thing.

[Dolores]

She just did a whole thing on regret. I wish I remembered her name. I tell people to follow her. She just did a thing on regret that parents. Either parent, either way, either the parents disown or the children disown. And then somebody dies, and then that person spends the rest of their life regretting.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Well, you don't want to do that. Get it out of your system. If it works, it works. If it doesn't, walk away from it. But at least say, I tried anyway.

[Dolores]

Yeah. So, I mean, I was happy to see her. I actually felt bad for Wendy in this whole episode, you know, with the dad situation and Then later on talking to the mom, what did you think about Wendy's home renovation?

[Sophie Cunningham]

I've been following it. I remember her saying, oh, we're gonna do the mo. I mean, does it look good? Yeah, I think Wendy's got great taste.

[Dolores]

Yeah, I think it looked great.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Yeah, great.

[Dolores]

Loved it. And then Kiara moves in with Greg.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Kiana.

[Dolores]

I know. Even though her mom's like, no, don't do it. She did it anyways. Do you think it's the right decision?

[Sophie Cunningham]

I think her friends listen, you have to live with your own decisions. You can't. And we all do. And she's like, I know we're going to get engaged. I got a lot of shit for being with Paul and saying, he's not. He's still. He's not divorced yet. And, you know, how much time are you wasting being with him to get married? I've been married. Here's my. Here's my gripe with this Kiara. And I understand that, you know, you don't want to be influenced by other people. You want to be with this man, and you think it's going to come one day, but I've had children. If this is. If you want kids or if you want a life with somebody, you cannot waste your youth. That is a crime in of itself. My mother always said, do not let a man waste your youth.

[Dolores]

Yeah.

[Sophie Cunningham]

That's what her mother is saying. And, you know, I could. You can meet a lot of women who say, I was with this guy for eight years during all my childbearing years, I wanted a kid more than anything, and he never committed. We finally broke up, and he got married and had a kid within six months with somebody else.

[Dolores]

Kiara, you're still young and pretty often.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Yeah, but Kiarna likes nice stuff. She's carrying in her Chanel boxes. This guy's buying her her nice stuff. And she made a point for us to all know. Her name is on the condo he bought her. Okay, good. And it could stay that way, and you could still go get a life with somebody else and live in the house he bought you and have everything.

[Dolores]

It's okay to have. Get nice presents. But when you're dating somebody and they don't want to get married, but then they're just giving you nice stuff, nothing's going to change. They're not going to want to marry you. They're just. They're paying for you is all they're doing. He doesn't see. I mean, he does seem like he was a little bit more comfortable on camera this Episode from in the past. But that whole scene about her talking about, oh is an engagement ring, and then he gives her a bag that's from a. The jewelry store.

[Sophie Cunningham]

It's so corny. Okay. That's what I wanted.

[Dolores]

Do you think that this is to throw her off? Because it was really, like, such a douche move. And you're like, oh, it's a picture frame. And, you know, she was disappointed, but she played it off like, oh, that was so sweet. Even in her confessional, she couldn't even go, are you kidding me? She was like, oh, you know, he.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Needs to prove us all wrong, including her mom. Prove us wrong.

[Dolores]

Right, right, right. So I. I don't know. I think that it could possibly be that he is going to propose, but he was just trying to, you know, trick her or make her think.

[Sophie Cunningham]

It's the buildup.

[Dolores]

Yeah, Maybe it's the buildup.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Yeah. I would even put a picture of them. And I love getting a picture with a frame. If anybody said, you know, if anybody, too. If anybody's got last minute gifts, go to CVS or Walgreens, print a picture, put it in a frame and say your gift is in the mail. I do that all the time. I love it.

[Dolores]

I love giving, like, framed pictures.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Yeah.

[Dolores]

To people. I love that. So Tia has a half sister. And they go to lunch.

[Sophie Cunningham]

She's very pretty.

[Dolores]

Very pretty. And they get all emotional, realizing their dad just wanted them to be close. And Tia didn't realize why until she was older.

[Sophie Cunningham]

So.

[Dolores]

She'S made it clear. Tia is that she's team mom. And I don't know what exactly all he did, but he obviously has other children with other women and then certain cultures.

[Sophie Cunningham]

That's okay.

[Dolores]

That's okay. So it's good to see that the. The girls are now reconnecting and they must not talk much or see each other much because she asked. He asked her, did the kids remember?

[Sophie Cunningham]

You stupid. She was there last year.

[Dolores]

She was there last year.

[Sophie Cunningham]

That's what they said in the scene.

[Dolores]

Oh, God, I didn't know.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Years old.

[Dolores]

Yeah. But she's like, do they remember? She's like, yeah, yeah, whatever.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Off the record, I have an illegitimate sister that looks just like me. Just saying.

[Dolores]

I know she works on that show, Rhode Island.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Families didn't sign up for this. Right?

[Dolores]

Yeah.

[Sophie Cunningham]

And they don't really focus on my family a lot.

[Dolores]

So, I mean, that would be a difficult thing for Tia because, you know, she has this half sister she doesn't have. Really doesn't sound like she has much of a relationship with her father. And do you resent that person? Do you want to get to know your half sibling? Do you not want to? I think every situation's different.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Personal choice. It is a personal.

[Dolores]

And will it piss off her mom? Like will it upset.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Well, that's the other thing. So, so it was, was it a thing that it happened while their parents were married? Like this is a whole. First of all, moms have to leave that up to the kids decision and don't, don't hold it against them because it might be something that happened that is hurtful to you. But it's also a half sibling of your child. Right. Right.

[Dolores]

You can't put that on your child.

[Sophie Cunningham]

No. Because you know unless. But the person could be bad or good. You don't know. But that person as an adult has to find out for themselves.

[Dolores]

Yeah.

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[Dolores]

This whole episode's about kind of siblings relationships because then we move on to Wendy, her mom and her sister. Come over to her house. This was a pretty damn heated scene. Like I'm in shock. Her mom, I. I don't, I don't have any words.

[Sophie Cunningham]

It's the new list I the, the I don't want to fight list that I have is. Her mom's on it now too.

[Dolores]

Yeah, right. So she tells her mom that she called her dad and her mom just gets pissed off and is like, he's no dad, he's a sperm donor.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Listen, as a single mom, life was probably very hard, very hard for her and having to make sure, like a guy, let's face it. And I don't care who gets mad at me. A guy could zip up his pants and walk away, right? All he wants. He could do that. I was told that when I was probably 8 years old and I came from a very, like, straight up hard family, I saw my kid. My aunts raised their children by themselves. One aunt raised five boys by herself. Waitress. My other aunt, still to this day works four jobs in her 80s. She still wants to waitress. I watched this. I lived it. And yeah, that can happen. And I can understand where her mother's coming from. Like, give me a break. But again, if that's what you want. If that's what she wants.

[Dolores]

I'm wondering if this was some, like, how long has it been since Wendy's talked to her dad? I think she had said it in prior episodes, but I just can't remember. Like, has it been like 20 years, 30 years? Is she doing this now? Because.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Why?

[Dolores]

What's the motivation? Because the mom seemed really pissed off and she said things like, I know what you're doing.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Okay, well, guess what, Mom. Wendy's doing. If she knows what she's doing. If she's. What do you say when someone's doing it for something? If she's in. If the mom is trying to. She did it for the show. If that's just what it is, we don't know. I know what you're doing. Then guess what, mom. The money that you like to spend that she has is made on this show that she's doing it for. So.

[Dolores]

Right.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Be quiet. I'm not.

[Dolores]

That's a very, very, very good point.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Because it was only last week that her mom said, I like spending your money. Well, guess where this money's coming from. Do you have different places?

[Dolores]

But do you think that Wendy's mom is part of the reason Wendy's in the situation she's in right now? No, no.

[Sophie Cunningham]

What do you mean? Like, because she has to support her mom.

[Dolores]

Like, she just. Her mom puts certain expectations on her.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Wendy likes. I don't know what she likes.

[Dolores]

Expensive stuff.

[Sophie Cunningham]

First of all, it's still alleged. We don't. They haven't been found guilty yet.

[Dolores]

Yeah, but that's her choice to give her mom and allowance. She doesn't have to. Her mom says she works four jobs now. I always say, like, if you're in your 40s, your 50, even your 30s, like it you make, the choices you make are on you. If you're going to do something to be illegal or shady or whatever, that's on you. That is on you. So I know that we're all a product of our environment, but it looks like her mom was a very hard worker. She's working three jobs. Three or four jobs. So she was. Her mom was saying that she's just a sperm donor. Be careful of the dad.

[Sophie Cunningham]

She's right. If he didn't help them, if he didn't provide for them, that's a fuck room. Exactly what he is. Yeah.

[Dolores]

I wish I had a little bit more or I can remember. They might have said it about the history of her and her father. Like, was he never in her life? Was he.

[Sophie Cunningham]

What?

[Dolores]

What is it?

[Sophie Cunningham]

But I mean, the way song made about this. Papa was a rolling stone where he. Wherever he laid his hat, was his home.

[Dolores]

But according to the moms, like, be careful. Like, you don't want to be around this guy, Wendy. But Wendy said, like, that's not fair to say because you were married to him.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Okay, Wendy, your mom has every right to feel the way she does. If that is the way he treated her and if he. Everything. All responsibilities for you and your sister were on her. I don't blame her for being mad, but she shouldn't act the way she does. I mean, she got vicious.

[Dolores]

Well, her sister. Yeah. I'm not condoning the way she acted at all. And even Wendy goes at one point, girl, you're doing too much and trying to have a moment.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Well, she's getting an allowance. She's got to make a scene, too.

[Dolores]

I wonder how they're doing. I mean, I'm sure I say that chat.

[Sophie Cunningham]

And, you know, I know everyone who's been on my.

[Dolores]

Well, that she should. She should do something. I didn't work for that money.

[Sophie Cunningham]

She got into character. Mom.

[Dolores]

Mom got into character. And the.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Your mom's in character every day.

[Dolores]

My mom is always in character. She just says whatever's on her mind. I'm like, my mother doesn't. I'm like, can you just filter your mouth just a little bit? Well, Wendy's mom did not filter her mouth whatsoever. And then Wendy's like, get out. Leave my house. And then Wendy's mom's literally leaving, telling her, shut the f up. Shut the f up.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Well, that's a lot of. A lot of feelings and emotions coming from a place where her mom had things. Had. Life was not easy for her mother because of what the things the father did to her. I'm sorry. Yeah, she was wrong to speak to her daughter like that. She handled it wrong.

[Dolores]

So wrong. So wrong. And you know what wrong I was. I didn't speak to my dad very often for 10 years and did hardly saw him because my parents got divorced. And it got really bad and nasty and, you know, I would every once in a while talk to him, but I just tried to stay away from him because I chose my mom's side. It's, it's damaging and it's hard, you know, And I say that to two of my kids that do not speak to their dad and it's, I go, this is stuff that you're going to go be going to therapy when you're like 40. So sometimes, like, you have to take the good with the bad and just know, know the limitations again.

[Sophie Cunningham]

If someone thinks they're going to regret it, then they have to take it and do it anyway.

[Dolores]

Yeah, that's.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Yeah. Okay.

[Dolores]

But it was a good episode.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Bad for Wendy. I felt very bad for her. Her mom was way too hard on her. Way, way too hard. And guess what? When Wendy's paying the allowance, you got to watch how you talk to her, sis. Sorry.

[Dolores]

Right. That's how I am now. If I'm paying for anything of yours, you better watch how you talk to me.

[Sophie Cunningham]

I, I agree with that.

[Dolores]

All right, guys, thank you for tuning in to another episode of Two Teas in a Pod and we'll see you next week.

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