Where There is Fuel, There’s Fire (RHOP Recap)

Summary

Podcast Summary: Two Ts in a Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge

Episode: "Where There is Fuel, There’s Fire (RHOP Recap)"

Date: October 28, 2025

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Overview

This episode features Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge diving deep into Season 10, Episode 4 of The Real Housewives of Potomac (“Tropic Like It’s Hot”), offering their unfiltered and housewives-veteran perspective. The episode oscillates between Teddi and Tamra’s personal health/life updates, hot Bravo-related headlines, and a lively, laugh-filled RHOP recap. When Tamra is forced to drop out halfway due to illness, producer Matt Laffrey steps in to co-pilot the recap with Teddi, keeping the signature messy, hilarious tone.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Personal Updates & Housewife Life

• Tamra’s Health Struggles ([03:50-06:29]):

  • Tamra shares her fluctuating well-being due to immunotherapy. She’s grateful for progress but admits, “I can't force myself to feel differently than I feel.”
  • Teddi empathizes and encourages Tamra to take it easy:

    “Maybe just. Don't push yourself too much right now.” (06:26)

• Big Bear Antics ([06:32-08:15]):

  • Teddi recounts her trip to Big Bear, her obsession with a dream house on Switzerland Street, and Oktoberfest mishaps:

    “Going out, having a couple drinks, the next day, I'm just ruined.” - Teddi

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2. Bravo Headlines & Industry Commentary

• Garcelle vs. Erika on RHOBH ([08:15-10:29]):

  • Teddi and Tamra discuss Garcelle’s comment about only returning to RHOBH if Erika leaves.

    "I don't like when people do this…why say that?" - Tamra (08:33)
    “Taking somebody’s job is kind of like a shitty thing to say.” – Teddi (08:47)

• Potomac Contract Drama ([10:29-12:29]):

  • They break down the alleged 50% “cast member salary split” contract with skepticism and laughter:

    "Who in their...hell in their right mind would do that?" – Teddi (11:31)
    “This is bananas.” – Tamra (12:29)

• Wendy’s Legal Woes ([13:37-15:40]):

  • Dissection of Wendy’s court filings and fraud accusation fallout:

    "Where there's fuel, there's fire." — Tamra (15:09)
    “It’s going to have to play out in court and then we will know.” – Teddi (15:40)

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3. RHOP S10E4 Recap: “Tropic Like It’s Hot”

Opening Plot Threads ([16:09-18:49])

• Angel vs. Wendy College Feud:
  • Wendy throws shade about Angel not graduating college. The ladies speculate this will become a major point later:

    “They dig. That's what these housewives do. And then when you get caught digging, you’re in denial for digging... hypocritical bullshit, I tell you.” – Teddi (17:02-17:11)

Group Drama & Standout Housewives

• Ashley & Tia’s Invite Spat ([19:03-18:49]):

  • Tia confronts Ashley for the group-invite faux pas; Teddi and Tamra find it a “manufactured fight,” but praise Tia’s calm retorts and British shade.

    “Don’t you feel like anybody that has like a British accent, though, they can tell someone to F off and it still sounds very...nice.” – Teddi (18:35-18:49)

• Jazzy’s Row 17 Ordeal – Coach Class Snub ([26:07-27:56]):

  • When Tamra steps out, Matt Laffrey joins Teddi. They joke about Jazzy being relegated to economy:

    “Not Jazzy in 17C?” – Matt (26:32)
    “That’s Prosecco in economy. Sorry.” – Teddi (27:12)

• Camouflage Baggage Fiasco ([28:31-30:06]):

  • The group learns camouflage is illegal at their destination; Angel nearly gets in trouble for a Prada camo bag.

    "If production sent them the actual rules and she still brought the bag, that shows us that Angel kinda...wanted to go to jail in another country." – Matt (29:05-29:41)
    “If it was me, I’d be like, I ain’t touching that… I’m not gonna be associated with a camouflage bag and go to prison.” – Teddi (29:46)

• Tia's Fashion “Headband” Look ([30:37-31:47]):

  • Matt and Teddi discuss how RHOP (and other franchises like Dubai) have more out-there confessionals. Matt loves Tia despite the headband; Teddi agrees she’s a standout.

Group Power Dynamics & Housewife Strategy

• Giselle & Ashley as Storyline Drivers ([32:25-32:58]):

  • The hosts praise Giselle & Ashley as experts in “stirring the pot without taking the hit.”

    “They push storyline and, y’know, they stir the pot without getting, y’know, too nasty. It doesn’t affect them.” – Teddi (32:33-32:43)

• Angel’s Social Struggles ([34:29-35:07]):

  • Matt and Teddi note Angel is struggling to be accepted, in part due to her “stuck at the hip” alliance with Kiarna.

    “Angel’s biggest mistake...is constantly being at the hip with K.” – Teddi (46:33)

The Great FaceApp/Filter Debate ([47:21-53:22])

• Angel Called Out for Filtering:

  • Giselle confronts Angel about social media filters; Teddi and Matt debate how to handle filter-shaming on Housewives:

    “For Angel to act like she is not Hollywood level five in that [FaceApp] photo is outrageous.” – Matt (48:11)
    “She denied it. She absolutely denied it…It’s not filtered. Nope.” – Teddi (53:22)

• General Housewives Filter Use:

  • They argue everyone on Bravo uses some form of filter or Facetune, but there’s a difference between smoothing and transformation:

    “It kinda auto corrects that stuff without...making your chin bigger or your cheeks bigger and suddenly you’re turned in or, y’know, erase your nose.” – Teddi (50:53)

Fan-Favorite Moments, Fun Quotes, & Housewife Moves

• Stacy’s “Blank Card” at Four Seasons ([41:02-41:57]):

  • Stacy receives a blank welcome card and no custom gifts from Giselle. Teddi and Matt debate whether it was mean or just good shade:

    “Just the blank card, the no initials. I...I mean, do you think it was good TV or do you think it was kind of a mean thing to do?” – Teddy (41:06)

• Dating/Ex-Husband Drama: Stacy, Monique & Chris Samuels Bombshell ([57:39-58:53]):

  • Ashley accuses Stacy of pursuing Monique’s ex, Chris Samuels:

    “To have a housewife that’s trying to actively date her ex husband is such a fun way to bring [Monique] back into the group.” – Matt (57:59)

• Housewife Strategy 101

  • Matt spotlights Stacy’s shrewd method of deflecting heat back onto Giselle:

    “It’s a brilliant move to throw that back in her face because it calls her out for her hypocrisy.” – Matt (44:09)

  • On Stacy’s likability: "It's weird how much I love Stacy...Do I love someone who makes up boyfriends? Is that my housewife favorite?" – Matt (43:36)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Housewife Authenticity:
  “...You want to know everything about me? What about you? Because Giselle doesn’t really talk a lot about her dating life.” – Teddi ([44:09])

• On FaceApp and Housewives:
  “Listen, I love a good FaceApp...when you’re on Hollywood 5, it changes who you are...” – Teddi ([48:15])
  "We've all sent a screenshot of someone and said, 'Who is this person?'” – Matt ([48:04])

• On Group Chat Filter Etiquette:
  “When you take a group picture with your friends and you filter your face and not the other ones, that's a real bitch move. Real bitch move.” – Teddi ([52:42])

• Laughing About Limp Scenes:
  “It like, makes—the scene limp with them. It's almost—I like that you use the word limp. And nobody likes limp things.” – Matt & Teddi ([46:57-47:02])
  “I don't like limp things either but that's a whole other conversation...” – Teddi ([47:02])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [03:50-06:29] Tamra’s health update and Teddi’s encouragement
• [08:15-10:29] Garcelle vs. Erika in RHOBH headlines
• [10:29-12:29] The “50% contract” drama – skepticism and jokes
• [13:37-15:40] Wendy’s legal issues and the “where there’s fire” debate
• [16:09-18:49] Recapping the opening of RHOP S10E4 / Angel & Wendy’s feud
• [26:07-27:56] Economy class drama for Jazzy
• [28:31-30:06] Camouflage bag customs mess
• [32:25-32:58] Praise for revered pot-stirrers Giselle & Ashley
• [41:02-41:57] Stacy’s blank welcome card and custom gift snub
• [47:21-53:22] FaceApp and ‘catfish’ filter debate
• [57:39-58:53] Chris Samuels dating bombshell; Monique’s possible return

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Conclusion

The episode is a quintessential Two Ts in a Pod ride, mixing serious commentary on real-life Bravo drama with sarcasm, housewives wisdom, and irreverent laughter. Teddi, Tamra, and guest Matt Laffrey provide sharp takes on the machinations of RHOP, dig into evolving fan-favorite housewives (like Stacy and Tia), and aren’t afraid to poke fun at the entire Bravo universe (including themselves).

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For housewives fans who love industry tea, behind-the-scenes production gossip, and deep, hilarious breakdowns of Bravo’s finest drama, this episode is a must-listen—no filter required.

Transcript

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[Tamara Judge]

Melon count?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, Teddy's a little down today, not feeling her best, so I'm gonna try to. And try to pump you up. Girl.

[Tamara Judge]

You gotta pump me up.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Gonna pump you up.

[Tamara Judge]

That's kind of. I mean, this is what I'm realizing about, you know, being on immunotherapy and also, you know, going through all the things that I'm going through is that some days I just wake up and I feel so yucky. And some days I feel great. So it's.

[Matt Laffrey]

It's.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, by great, I mean half great.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. Like a human, right?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

So the longer you're on immunotherapy, the more it's not like your body gets used to immunotherapy.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, I think maybe for some people, they do, but for me, that's not happening.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

It's making you feel worse.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Like, I'm getting to the point where it's really hard to eat. Um, I am having a hard time sleeping, but I mean, I'm also going through a lot, like, mentally. So I think it could be a combination of the two. Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And then like, most people think, like, well, you know, the treatment's working, so you should be, like, happy and excited, you know, because that's naturally what I. When we talked last week, I'm like, do you have a different mindset now that you know that treatment has worked, even though you still have to go through a year of it? And you said to me, not really.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, I mean, like, I feel very, like, grateful to, you know, like, I'm grateful to God. I'm grateful to my friends. I'm grateful to my family. I'm grateful for everything that the treatment was. Is Working. But I also. I can't force myself to feel differently than I feel.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, I just think, like, right now, your quality of life isn't the best because you're tired. You know, I got excited because I did see you go on a hike with Kyle and you ran into Lisa Rinna. And I thought, oh, my God, they're back together. And then I saw there was another.

[Tamara Judge]

Picture where we went out to dinner.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Went out to dinner. So I thought for sure. Do you feel like sometimes when you do. Because you don't go out very often, when you do, you really feel worse the next day?

[Matt Laffrey]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, and then it's like, I keep going because I have the kids, and I'm just trying to be there as much as I can. And then, like, Monday morning comes and my body's like, no, no, no.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Just. Yeah. Will you just lay in bed today or just kick back?

[Tamara Judge]

No, I have, like, meetings and things like that. So it's like, I just.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Maybe just. Don't push yourself too much right now.

[Tamara Judge]

I know, I know. How are you? So you're still in Big Bear?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I'm still in Big Bear. We've been a week. I've got mountain fever. So we're leaving. Leaving today.

[Tamara Judge]

You are?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Had fun. We went to Oktoberfest, had a bunch of OC friends. There's a street in Big Bear called Switzerland, and it's where, like, the big houses are. Like, each house is over 2 acres and even more. And the houses are huge, gigantic houses. And always ride our bike past this one house, and it's been for sale for, like, over a year. And I always tell Eddie, that's going to be our house one day. That's going to be our house one day. So we're at Oktoberfest and in Big Bear, and we met some Orange county friends. And the people that own that house were friends with some of my friends.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, my gosh. What a.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

It's a family house, right? So we ended up going to the house afterwards. Nettie's like, how weird is it that the house that we ride our bikes fast all the time. I'm like, that's going to be our house one day. That's going to be our house.

[Tamara Judge]

Friends of friends own it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. Yeah. It's like 4.45 million or something. Gorgeous house. Gorgeous, but big. Very big. So, yeah, we had fun. So we went to Oktoberfest last year and thought, okay, this year we're gonna get dressed up, do the whole thing, and, you know, kind of ate Our way through with the pretzels and the hot, you know, the. The nuts with the, like, candy on the outside. They're warm. You got like the kind you get in New York on the street corner. And oh, yeah, it was fun. But I tell you, like, going out, having a couple drinks, the next day, I'm just ruined. Like, I'm really concerned. Like, I just don't even want to.

[Tamara Judge]

Drink anymore because then you feel toast.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I just feel like I feel terrible. Terrible. So I don't know, maybe I'm not seasoned, but let's get into some headlines. I want your feedback on this one, because I want to happens live. Garcelle said she would consider coming back to Beverly Hills if Erica was gone. Why?

[Tamara Judge]

I don't like when people do this. Like, you'll come back and work and if you take somebody else's job, like, why say that?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, right. You don't really. I mean, as much as, you know, there's certain people I would like to be gone on the show.

[Tamara Judge]

You don't.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

It's there. Some of them. It's their livelihood and their only livelihood. And so taking somebody's job is kind of like a shitty thing to say.

[Tamara Judge]

And also, like, why even say that?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I don't know. Do you remember when Gretchen would say that about me in the press all the time, and here she is and I'm still on the show, so. Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

So there was an argument with her son about her son Jacks, and then Erica told him to get the f away or whatever. But also, Erica was going through a really hard time back then.

[Tamara Judge]

Remember, she was really going through it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

She was like me the early part of this season, popping Danax and having drinks and, you know, doing all the things. So I don't know, I think it'd be, if anything, just like, conversation to have. Like, I don't think it's a reason not to. She didn't try to sleep with her man or something?

[Tamara Judge]

No.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

What were your thoughts on Garcelle having first seen on Watch what happens Live and Shannon having second seat?

[Tamara Judge]

It didn't surprise me.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

It didn't surprise you? It shocked me because I always think, like, somebody that's not really on the show right now is usually on second seat. Or if there's like an A list celebrity. Like, if usually if it's like Jennifer Lopez, she's there by herself. But if there's like, an actress there, they always get the first seat. As much as Andy and the network want to say, oh, it doesn't really matter, I think it matters.

[Tamara Judge]

I think it matters, too. And I. But I. For some reason, it didn't surprise me. I'm sure that for Garcelle to do watch what happens live, she had certain requirements that she wanted, you know.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, I've never had requirements or asked for anything like that.

[Tamara Judge]

No.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I'm like, show me where to go and I'll. I'll be there. Now, Stacy and tj, the Electric contract. Would you. How'd you feel about that?

[Tamara Judge]

Okay, so the contract looks like just something that, like, me and Slate wrote up.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Like this is to me. I mean, I say alleged contract because it doesn't look real.

[Tamara Judge]

It's just a piece of paper.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

It's like RHOP contract. Stacy Rush willingly enters this agreement with Thomas Anthony Jones Jr. As an equal partner and cast member of Bravo TV's Real Housewives of Potomac, produced by Truly Original LLC and NBC Universal. I agree that Thomas Anthony Jones Jr. Is entitled to 50% of my total senior salaries earned as compensation for my parents in the 2024 season. A cast member. In each season, I appear as a cast member of Potomac thereafter. Who in their. Hell in their right mind would do that?

[Tamara Judge]

Who would do that?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Who would do that? And then it's like print, and then it just says printed name, Stacy Rush.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, the. Even if this is a conversation that they had and this is real, which I. I really hope it's not. I mean, this is the contract. It's from Bravo and Cocktails.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yes, Bravo and Cocktails get sent a lot of things and then they will post it. It's obviously watermarked by Bravo and Cocktails. We don't know where it came from. I haven't heard Stacy come out and say, but I just don't feel like anybody would be so ignorant to give somebody 50% to act like it's.

[Tamara Judge]

Especially thereafter, after the season, like, even if they weren't together, she's going to still keep paying him.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I don't know. And then it says, this contract shall automatically renew each season and remain in effect until my employment as a cast.

[Tamara Judge]

Member ends or mutually agreed time. I mean, this is bananas.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

There's no way. And look at this. Look at the signature.

[Matt Laffrey]

I know.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

A circle, circle, circle, circle.

[Tamara Judge]

That's kind of what my signature looks like.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, my gosh.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

But was there a reason why this episode was an hour and 15 minutes or whatever it was? It was. Why would.

[Tamara Judge]

It was so long.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I laid on the couch, turned it on, and I fell asleep five times watching it. I was just exhausted yesterday and tv, naturally, if I lay down and watch tv, I am asleep. It's like a sleeping pill.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

So I got up this morning at like 5:36 and watch it and I'm like, this is never ending. No wonder I fell asleep. And I'm like, it was like well over an hour.

[Tamara Judge]

It was well over an hour. It is. They're watching it. There are so many times where I'm like, are you kidding me that this is what they're fighting about.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I know, I know. Well, Wendy from Potomac accuses police of an illegal arrest over fraud charges. So Us Weekly broke this. Wendy is claiming she is a victim of an illegal arrest as she fights her fraud charges in court. Wendy's lawyers filed court docs. As part of the criminal case in Maryland. The reality star demanded all charges be dismissed due to alleged defects in the charging docum documents. Didn't Karen do this too?

[Tamara Judge]

I think so.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Like, like, like a technicality, like to try to get things thrown out.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, I think that she did do that. But it, yeah, clearly it didn't do anything.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

In addition, Wendy demanded all evidence be suppressed because of an unlawful search or seizure. The Bravo star also asked for all wire and verbal communications to be suppressed because of an unlawful interception. In the filing, Wendy lawyers claimed his client was illegally arrested. The reality stars council said all admissions statements or confessions should not be allowed as evidence because they are unlawfully obtained.

[Tamara Judge]

Wow.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I don't know. I mean I hope that she is not like this is. This did not happen. Yeah. You know what I mean? I really hope that this did not happen because Wendy and Eddie seem like such a great couple.

[Tamara Judge]

But I feel like where there's fuel, there's fire.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, I think this is kind of like a situation where they, when they come in after you, they really do their research for a long time.

[Matt Laffrey]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

So even if I don't know, I mean I think so much does to come but I think that's the hard part when watching this episode. Knowing what we know now I know makes me think everything differently. Even though this is obviously an essential proven guilty guilty.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Exactly. That's what I'd say. I mean I know that she got mad because I said that her neighbors reached out. I wasn't the only one up and Adam said it. A few other people said that they got reached out to too. I mean we don't know what the truth is and it's going to have to play out in court and then we will know. But hopefully they are innocent for sure. So we are, we are recapping season 10 episode 4 tropic like it's hot.

[Tamara Judge]

Because they're in the tropics.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

The never ending episode.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, I. But I still kind of liked it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

You did?

[Tamara Judge]

Yes, I still kind of liked it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I mean, there's a lot to unpack because a lot happened.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And I. And I. I like that a lot happened. And when it starts off, Wendy brings up she never knew angel at Temple Hill. This is the college, I'm assuming that they attended, right?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And heard she never graduated college. Because something may have transpired.

[Tamara Judge]

She alludes to the fact that she didn't graduate.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Right. But then we never. Do they ever talk about it again?

[Tamara Judge]

No. Then we don't get back into it, this episode. So clearly that's going to come it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

It's clearly going to come there. There was like, I think one graduated in 2006, and the other woman supposedly graduated in 2008.

[Tamara Judge]

And how does she even know these things?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I don't know. Because they dig. That's what these housewives do.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And then when you get caught digging, you're the Nile for digging.

[Matt Laffrey]

Right.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

But everybody does it. Hypocritical bullshit. I tell you for sure.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, then Ashley confronts Tia, saying it was rude of her to invite Wendy and Giselle over her in front of the group. Tia defends herself and says it was tongue in cheek. Would you be offended if you were in Tia's position?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I don't know. I mean, Ashley invited them over the phone, so maybe she didn't realize that they were all there.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And I know I. I just don't think it's something to be that offended by. But I don't know. I mean, she said it was tongue. Tongue in cheek, which is. Is not the same as chin checking. Or do I have to hear that word one more time?

[Tamara Judge]

I know. Chin checked.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Chin checked. Um, I. I don't think it was that big of a deal. And I feel like this was just trying to fight over something that. That. That didn't really need to be fought over.

[Tamara Judge]

But I thought Tia did show up this episode, and she checked Ashley pretty good. Oh.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

All I was thinking was, oh, Tia.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, you're gonna get lost to me. And we gained a TIA.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

But TIA's. God. Yeah, she's really good. And the things that she was saying. Well, we'll get to that. But things she was saying. I'm like, you're not wrong, Tia.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. And she's. And she's calm about it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I know she doesn't. Don't you Feel like anybody that has like a British accent, though, they can go tell somebody to F off. And it still sounds very.

[Tamara Judge]

Sounds nice.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, thank you. You're so sweet.

[Tamara Judge]

Right? I know. There's just the level of like, you're just whatever. I'm not bothered by you because I have an accent.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Right. And then K goes to ask this. Jazzy has an issue with her. They start digging into each other about their men. Okay.

[Tamara Judge]

The ladies have to separate them.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. They had to separate them. Do you think Wendy was being messy?

[Tamara Judge]

I think that, yes. I think she did that on purpose.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

She did it on purpose.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Clearly. I mean, Karen and Jessie are cut for the same, like, cloth. Like, to create whatever they can to stay on the show is kind of how I feel, though.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Here's the thing about being a great gift giver. When you find something truly perfect for everyone on your list, you almost don't want to give it away.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

That's what happened with my quince order. Everything's so soft and well made. I'm seriously tempted to keep all of it for myself.

[Tamara Judge]

Quince pretty much has your whole list covered. Mongolian cashmere sweaters for $50 when you'd normally pay $200 or more. The kind you'll wear on repeat.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Then there's the denim that goes with everything. Silk tops and skirts for when you need to look put together. Cashmere beanies and scarves and down jackets that actually keep you warm.

[Tamara Judge]

The Italian wool coats, absolute top of my list. They look designer and are made with premium materials. But like everything at Quint's, the price won't make you panic. We're talking way less than other brands charge.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

By working directly with trusted factories that maintain high standards for both craftsmanship and ethical practices, and by cutting out the middle man and markups, Quince is able to pass those savings straight to you.

[Tamara Judge]

I can't tell you how much I'm loving my new cashmere sweater. I will be wearing it a lot this holiday season and getting one for my daughter. Slate. Find gifts so good you'll want to keep them with quint.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Go to quints.com Tamra for free shipping on your orders and 365 day returns. Now available in Canada too.

[Tamara Judge]

That's Q U-I-N-C-E.com Tamara to get free shipping and 365 day returns.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

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[Tamara Judge]

If there's anything as perfectly dramatic and totally engrossing as reality tv, it might be the procedural shows on primetime TV right now.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Specifically all of the shows from the One Chicago Universe. If you're a fan of one of their shows, then there's a new podcast you'll want to check out called the One Chicago Podcast from USG Audio and Wolf Entertainment. When it comes to tv, there's something so satisfying about knowing how the sausage gets made. From cheeky production choices to plot lines and the reactions of the fan base, the One Chicago Podcast is all that and more. It's the official behind the scenes look at the iconic shows from the One Chicago Universe, Chicago pd, Chicago Med and of course, Chicago Fire.

[Tamara Judge]

Each episode joins host and former Chicago Cop turned Chicago PD producer Brian Lucci, and he's joined by the actors, producers and writers behind the epic One Chicago Universe.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

To listen to the One Chicago Podcast, search for One Chicago Podcast on Apple Podcasts or your favorite podcast app. That's One Chicago Podcast if you're looking for wine that's not just delicious but also total crowd pleaser, let me introduce you to Josh Sellars. This California wine brand has over a dozen award winning wines. From crisp Sauvignon Blancs to velvety Merlot's. You can find the perfect wine for every mood and every occasion. If you're hosting a holiday get together, grab a bottle of their velvety Cabernet Sauvignon. It pairs perfectly with those rich, decadent dishes. Your hosting game will be instantly elevated. Or maybe you're just kicking back with friends after a long week of gift hunting and holiday chaos. That's an ideal Josh Sellers Pinot Grigio moment. Every bottle of Josh Cellers is made for sharing with the people who matter most. The wine is crafted to exacting standards so every pour is beautifully balanced, smooth and absolutely delicious. With so many amazing wines to choose from, there's always a reason to enjoy some Josh Cellars. This season, Josh Cellars is a proud sponsor of two teas in a pod. Visit www.joshselars.com teapot t e a P O D and join the wine club to get 20% off. Please drink responsibly.

[Matt Laffrey]

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[Tamara Judge]

Hey, guys, I'm really sorry.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I'm.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm not feeling well at all. So our. One of our producers, Matt, is going to step in and fill in for me for the rest of the episode, because I want you guys to have the best episode possible.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

You go get some rest, sweetie. Just go lay down, okay?

[Tamara Judge]

Thank you. I'm so sorry.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I love you so much.

[Tamara Judge]

Love you, too.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Hey, Matt.

[Matt Laffrey]

Hi.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I know this is like, I'm doing what? But thank you so much for stepping in and being there for a girl right now when she's not feeling well.

[Matt Laffrey]

Yeah, of course.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. So we are on number four, where Jazzy is invited to the trip, but she sits in economy while everyone else is in first class. Now, we all know that production pays for our flights when we go on these trips, and most likely usually they put us in, you know, business class. First class. Why is your ass stuck in economy.

[Matt Laffrey]

Not jazzy in 17th C?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I know, right? Why? What do you think happened? Do you think she was an afterthought about being invited and there was no more seats left in first class?

[Matt Laffrey]

Yeah, I think that they were kind of wondering if they should even bring Jazzy back at this point. Like, Stacy brought her on. I think as an Ally. And production was kind of iffy of if they should even keep Jazzy as part of the cast. And so this was them just saying, okay, here, we'll set you an economy, but you better bring it and pay for your $300 ticket with some drama.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Right? So. And then she sits back there and says, the champagne tastes the same in economy. I'm like, it tastes the same, baby.

[Matt Laffrey]

But it ain't free, Girl, that's not champagne in economy.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

That's Prosecco. Prosecco and economy. Sorry. And then how about when they've tried, like, they waited, like, 20. According to the clock, it was over 20 minutes for her to deplane. She was back in economy. The cleaning crew was coming to clean. Why was she still stuck back there?

[Matt Laffrey]

That doesn't make any sense.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

That makes zero sense. I don't know, other than putting eye patches on. But that plane was not that big. Yeah.

[Matt Laffrey]

And also, they were letting you seemed like that she was deplaning from the back. Like, in Burbank, you can deplane from the back.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

The little planes, right?

[Matt Laffrey]

So, like, even if she was in the, like, if she was all the way in the final row, she should have been the first one off the back of that plane.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

It was. I, I. That part. I could not understand whatsoever what was going on there.

[Matt Laffrey]

Yeah, maybe, maybe she was, like, on the phone with production. Like, I'm not getting off this plane unless you get me a real glass of champagne.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

This is a bunch of bullshit. You sent me back here in the back of the plane, and now everybody else is on the SP van, and I gotta sit back here with my cheap ass Prosecco. And you're like, girl, bring it, bring it.

[Matt Laffrey]

They're like, you're sitting in the front of the sprinter van with the driver. You're not even going to be on camera in the sprinter van.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, my God. Was she?

[Matt Laffrey]

No. I don't know.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, I don't know. I didn't even notice that. But then how about when they're all going through customs and all that stuff and. And they're like, we got a problem.

[Tamara Judge]

There's a problem.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

No camouflage allowed. I'm like, I thought they're gonna say, like, your, your passport's illegal, like, something like that. It's because of camouflage.

[Matt Laffrey]

And not even that. It was a camouflage bag.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And it wasn't even a traditional camouflage. It was like Beijing tan. You know what I mean?

[Matt Laffrey]

It was like that hunter special kind of candle.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, the ones they use over. And the Mormon wives, they're wearing that Shit. All the time. I just. I. So what happens there? If you wear camouflage, why do you go to jail for that?

[Matt Laffrey]

I don't know. That's a strange rule. But I think it does give us insight into Angel's kind of character and maybe her. How aware she is about things. Because if production sent them the actual rules and it was spelled out for her and she still brought the bag, that shows us that angel kind of.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Wanted to go to jail. Wanted to go to jail in another country.

[Matt Laffrey]

No.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, my God. Well, she thank God for Tia because she had an empty bag. Because this girl knows she shops, so she's gonna shop and she's gonna fill up that extra bag so she had room to throw in the camouflage. If it was me, I'd be like, I ain't touching that. I'm not gonna be associated with a camouflage bag and I have to go to prison.

[Matt Laffrey]

No. Well, she was trying to get rid of it. She was like, let's put it in this garbage bag.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yes.

[Matt Laffrey]

We'll never see it again.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I mean, was it a designer camouflage bag?

[Matt Laffrey]

It. Oh, yeah. Oh, gosh. What was the label? It had the little. You know, the little gold. Whatever that that brand is. It's like the little gold triangle.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, Prada.

[Matt Laffrey]

Yeah, it was Prada. Oh, it was Prada.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, going to jail for Prada bags, like, okay.

[Matt Laffrey]

I mean, it could have been Prada.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Prada. Maybe she needed a storyline.

[Matt Laffrey]

I will. We'll get to Angel. But she's not my favorite. But I do want to ask you about Tia. What did you think of her confessional look with the matching headband?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Wasn't my favorite. It wasn't. I mean, I. I feel like she could pull it off. Could you imagine if I wore that?

[Matt Laffrey]

Well, there's somebody on your cast that has worn a headband throughout their confessional looks that really has been burned into my memory that I would like to forget.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, I mean, it's weird. Different cities, different franchises are more over the top. Like Dubai, they would wear, like, over the top costumes and their confessionals. If we brought one of those to our confessional look, you know, like, day when we're filming, they'd be like, no, this ain't happening. But I guess you can go. You can have a bump it and a tiara on our show. That's okay. That's okay. But that. I didn't quite. I didn't love it, but I didn't. I mean, I thought it suited her. Like, it looked good on her. No, you don't like it did it. You don't like it.

[Matt Laffrey]

I love tia, though. I do.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I think she's becoming my new favorite and she is going to give these women a run for their money.

[Matt Laffrey]

Yes. The way she shut Ashley down was masterful.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Clip, clip. Ms. Drenner would say.

[Matt Laffrey]

I think she said, she said something like, I don't, I don't know what it is you're not getting. Which is a brilliant way of saying.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Are you, Are you dumb? Well, then they finally bore the Giselle clears up why she invited Jazzy even though K and angel didn't want her to be invited. So. Giselle is so good at her craft, don't you think?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Matt Laffrey]

Giselle and Ashley both, I think, have earned the right to kind of mess with these women.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, they push storyline and, you know, they stir the pot without getting, you know, too nasty. But they do it in a way that it doesn't affect them.

[Tamara Judge]

Great.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Doesn't affect them at all. But, you know, just kind of dropping a little bomb and like, okay, you guys fight it out now.

[Matt Laffrey]

Yes. And step away. And we're not going to talk about our lives. Oh, no, we've done that. We've done that enough. We're through with talking about our own lives.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

But angel defends herself. She says she has room in her heart for everyone. Everyone. And she didn't mean for the 10 year starter comment to be a dig now. Okay, 10 year starter means and ball that he was never a bench warmer. Right.

[Matt Laffrey]

Well, I'm not the expert on football.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I kind of knew that, but I thought just maybe you might.

[Matt Laffrey]

But context clues I think would tell us that. Yes, he was like on the, when.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

He was on the field. So you can play professionally, but you can sit your butt on the bench a lot. Which doesn't. I mean, I mean, you're still great because you're on the team. Do you think that she, like, said that to be like. Yeah, but my man, he's a starter.

[Matt Laffrey]

Yeah. Because I think from what I have read is that Jazzy's guy kind of. I don't think plays that much. If I'm wrong, Jazzy don't come for me. But I think that's what the insinuation was.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And Angel's husband is a starter.

[Matt Laffrey]

Yeah, I think he was like a player. Player.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

But I really, I don't think she was being that shady. I think she was because, you know, she leaned over, she's like, oh, what position your husband play? Or what position? She's like, oh, he's like a 10 year starter. Like I think she was bragging about her husband. I don't know, she might, she might have done some homework beforehand and went, oh yeah, he sits on the bench. I don't know.

[Matt Laffrey]

How are you feeling about angel in general though, how she's fitting in with this group?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, she's not fitting in right. I don't feel like these girls are coming for her left and right the entire episode. I actually started to feel bad for her, but I just feel like that I think that Angel, I think she explains herself later on that she's not the one that. Just like she's not the conversation starter.

[Matt Laffrey]

But I think my problem with angel is that she's so attached to Kiarna and I think she's allowing Kiara to get too much in her ear behind the scenes and she's not allowing herself to get to know these women on her own.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, that's true. That's true.

[Matt Laffrey]

I see it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

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[Tamara Judge]

If there's anything as perfectly dramatic and totally engrossing as reality tv, it might be the procedural shows on primetime TV right now.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Specifically all of the shows from the One Chicago Universe. If you're a fan of one of their shows, then there's a new podcast you'll want to check out called the One Chicago Podcast from USG Audio and Wolf Entertainment. When it comes to tv, there's something so satisfying about knowing how the sausage gets made. From cheeky production choices to plot lines and the reactions of the fan base, the One Chicago Podcast is all that and more. It's the official behind the scenes look at the iconic shows from the One Chicago Universe, Chicago pd, Chicago Med, and of course, Chicago Fire.

[Tamara Judge]

Each episode joins host and former Chicago cop turned Chicago PD producer Brian Lucci, and he's joined by the actors, producers and writers behind the epic One Chicago.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Universe to listen to the one Chicago Podcast Search for one Chicago Podcast on Apple Podcasts or your favorite podcast app. That's one Chicago Podcast. If you're looking for wine that's not just delicious, but also total crowd pleaser, let me introduce you to Josh Sellars. This California wine brand has over a dozen award winning wines. From crisp Sauvignon Blancs to velvety Merlots. You can find the perfect wine for every mood and every occasion. If you're hosting a holiday get together, grab a bottle of their velvety Cabernet Sauvignon. It pairs perfectly with those rich, decadent dishes. Your hosting game will be instantly elevated. Or maybe you're just kicking back with friends after a long week of gift hunting and holiday chaos. That's an ideal Josh Cellars Pinot Grigio moment. Every bottle of Josh Cellers is made for sharing with the people who matter most. The wine is crafted to exacting standards so every pour is beautifully balanced, smooth and absolutely delicious. With so many amazing wines to choose from, there's always a reason to enjoy some Josh Cellars. This season, Josh Cellars is a proud sponsor of two teas in a pod. Visit www.joshcellars.com teapot t e a P O D and join the wine club to get 20% off. Please drink responsibly. Hey, I'm Freddie Prinze Jr. And I talk a lot about twists, turns and the unexpected moments that happen inside the ring on Wrestling with Freddy. But the one thing I've learned Never turn your back on your opponents in the ring unless you have your tag partner with you. It helps to have backup, like real life backup, the kind you can call when life throws you something unexpected. That's when I recommend you reach out to your State Farm agent. They can help you choose the coverage you need before anything happens, and they're ready to help you file a claim when it does. When it's something out of the ordinary or just part of everyday life, it's good to know someone's in your corner. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there. And thanks to State Farm support of Michael Tura Podcast Network, you can catch new episodes of Wrestling with Freddie wherever you listen to podcasts. Before all the algorithm fed blah and the endless sea of dupes, shopping used to feel more fun. But here's a confession. Are you a Charlotte listeners? You can find that fun feeling again on ebay. Because on ebay it's not just shopping, it's a full on fashion pursuit. And when you find the thing, that adrenaline hit is real. I Went on to ebay to look for a super special vintage jacket for Charlotte to wear to the gallery. And I found the most amazing Mugler jacket. And the costume department loved it and it felt so good. And I still have it at home. Like when you score that rare Adidas collab that's lived on your mood board or the Dior saddle bag that you ripped right out of a magazine in 2007 and never got over. Yeah, those. It's about the thrill and the pursuit of finding those pieces that feel like you. There's always more to discover. Ebay has millions of pre loved finds from hundreds of brands backed by ebay. Authenticity guarantee. EBay. Things people love. So then they arrived to the Four Seasons. Stacy doesn't know. I thought this was so mean. She doesn't have a message. Her name on a robe. She didn't get her little bag or little makeup bag with her initial on it. She didn't even get a damn card. She got the card. Card was blank. Nothing. Not even a you, Stacy. We didn't want you here. Like, nothing.

[Matt Laffrey]

Well, Giselle later says we weren't even supposed to get a card.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I mean, I know, but she could have just said, hey, hope to get to know you, the real you or something. But just the blank card, the no initials. I. I mean, do you think it was good TV or do you think it was kind of a mean thing to do?

[Matt Laffrey]

I see with me with Potomac, I think these women are so naturally funny and their shade comes across a different way than it went on a separate franchise.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yes, I agree.

[Matt Laffrey]

And so I don't view it as mean. I view it as just Gisele being Gisele. And also because Stacey can take it. The way Stacy takes them coming at her is so amazing to watch because she remains unbothered and poised. And I. I don't know. I just love Stacey.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I'm really starting to love Stacy. And I, I think might misquote Andy, but I saw a clip on Instagram where he said that she is extremely entertaining.

[Matt Laffrey]

Yeah, it was on Watch what happens live last night. He was like, staring at her, like, just grinning like a proud father.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

She's so beautiful.

[Matt Laffrey]

I can't get over how beautiful she is.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Beautiful and, you know, her little white lies here and there, whatever. But what is it? The girls don't like her. They don't like her.

[Matt Laffrey]

Do you think it's truly because of the TJ thing that they thought she was bringing this such a disingenuous personality to their show? Is that what it is.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I think so. But you know what? Let's get over that.

[Matt Laffrey]

Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And we move on.

[Matt Laffrey]

Yeah. But I also think there might be a tinge of jealousy. Yes. Because Stacey became a fan favorite so quickly.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yes.

[Matt Laffrey]

And I think with people that have been the show long enough that there's like a. Whoa. Wait. Why?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the lies that Stacy were saying, and they weren't anything horrible and nothing bad about her cast members. She's not out there saying horrible things about her cast members. She basically or allegedly lied that she had this boyfriend that wasn't really her boyfriend. Now, haven't we seen that on Housewives before?

[Matt Laffrey]

Kenya, more hair care.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Okay.

[Matt Laffrey]

I've seen it before, but I love that. Kenya's always been one of my favorites, and now I love Stacy so much, so I'm like, do I love someone who makes up boyfriends? Like, is that my housewife favorite? I don't know. It's so weird how much I love Stacy.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

She's so likable, and she's really coming into her own. It's not. She's not like this just very sweet QVC girl that just has this sweet little voice and a beautiful face, and she's so, you know, people can sling at her, and she just smiles and takes it. But I'm starting to see her be a little bit more vocal, like, when she calls out Giselle, like, well, who are you dating? You want to know everything about me? What about you? Because Giselle doesn't really talk a lot about her dating life.

[Matt Laffrey]

Well, it's a brilliant move to throw that back in her face because it calls her out for her hypocrisy.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Matt Laffrey]

I wish they would have called Giselle out about. I forget his name. But the Winter House, the hot guy from Winter House that she was dating for half of a season, she, like, had introduced him to her.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

He was on the show, right?

[Matt Laffrey]

Yes. He was making sushi for.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Wasn't that Giselle and Angel Jason. Wasn't that a couple years ago?

[Matt Laffrey]

Yeah, but, like, it just came and went.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, that came and went. I totally forgot about that.

[Matt Laffrey]

We don't talk about it. We don't mention him. It's just. And he filmed, so it's fair game.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

So was he on there just to pretend like he was her love interest, or was he really her love interest?

[Matt Laffrey]

I. I'm just saying I don't understand why we never asked these questions on the show.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, Stacey, hello, girl. Yeah, he disappeared just as fast as he got there.

[Matt Laffrey]

I guess because he wasn't Bald. Apparently Giselle loves a bald man.

[Tamara Judge]

Yes.

[Matt Laffrey]

Yes.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, my gosh. So angel does clarify at dinner that she is the most. She is not the most talkative person, but feels nobody has really gotten to know her in the group. Is. She's afraid to talk because anytime she opens her mouth, they start coming from her. I mean, could that be it? Or she's already has been told that, like you said earlier, like, watch out for this one. And, you know, somebody's in her ear.

[Matt Laffrey]

Yeah, it's. It's the. The thing with me, with Kiarna and Angel. And do you think. Well, let's get to that first. Do you think that Angel's attitude towards Wendy is a little more harsh than she is with everybody else?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yes.

[Matt Laffrey]

And why?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Because of Kiara, probably. Right.

[Matt Laffrey]

Yeah. Well, I mean, what happened at that college? Is there something that went on that we don't know? Like, I don't understand.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I think we're going to get to it. I think after we heard that angel and Wendy went to the same college, then Wendy throws in there. Well, she didn't graduate. Yeah, Graduate. But then they didn't get into it. So I feel like that they're holding that for another episode. So I think we're going to hear more about that. But I think Angel's biggest mistake and maybe even a kiss of death as a housewife is constantly being, you know, at the hip with K. Like, when you do that and you don't get to know other people, she needs to branch out a little bit.

[Matt Laffrey]

Yeah. And for me watching, like, I feel like Wendy came into the season. She's kind of light and, like, fun and wants to, like, laugh. And we have Stacy, who's just effervescent on screen. And then Kiarna and Angel kind of shut down and suck the energy out of conversations rather than then kind of having this volley back and forth. And it kind of just leaves the scene limp with them. It's almost. It, like, makes.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I like that you use the word limp.

[Matt Laffrey]

Yeah. And nobody likes limp things.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I don't like limp things either, but that's a whole other conversation. And we did talk about balls. They did talk about. I mean, when Wendy said, do you suck balls? And she's like, do ice. And she's like, dick. And I'm like, oh, my God.

[Matt Laffrey]

Well, those are two separate things. Let's be honest.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

They are.

[Matt Laffrey]

Yes.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

They're actually three separate things.

[Matt Laffrey]

Well, depending on the man.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Could have been a uniballer. I had one of those ones.

[Matt Laffrey]

Jesse Solomon. Come on.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, my God. Oh, we'll get to that too. But angel feels attacked by Wendy. Wendy says angel uses certain terms to weaponize anything she does or says. An effort to villainize her. And then Gisele bringing up the social media thing like Giselle, I thought this was. I mean, at first I thought, okay, this could be funny, but they were so serious with it.

[Matt Laffrey]

Now, Tamra Judge, we all. And I say this. I think I can speak with the collective world population.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yes.

[Matt Laffrey]

Have all sent a screenshot of someone and said, who is this person?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, absolutely.

[Matt Laffrey]

So for angel to act like she is not Hollywood level five in that photo is outrageous.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

They have five now. I thought it only went to four. Listen, I love a good face app. I love FaceApp. And I. And one of the things I like about FaceApp, like, especially for us influencers that are doing things, there's a video and it doesn't change who you are. It just kind of brightens your face up and you can use it as a video. But when you're on Hollywood 5 and you're like, switched all the way over to the end where it is the, like, it changes who you are. Or how about the young version? There's a young version that can make you look like you're 14.

[Matt Laffrey]

Oh, well, let me go download that.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I mean, yeah. So if you're doing that and you're like, no, I don't talk about. It's not filtered. It was filtered.

[Matt Laffrey]

Oh. But also, it's. It's kind of like a fun real life argument that we all can relate to because we've all used filters. We all, like, call people out, whether it's in a secret group chat or not, about their filters.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

But sometimes people go overboard. Now, let me tell you, there's a huge difference between some of these apps. There's Face app, and then there's the older one called facetune. I think that's the free one. And that one just. It should. You're just. You should just be a blur. You're just a blur. A blur.

[Matt Laffrey]

Who are you saying?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I don't know. I'm just saying no nose, no lips, no nothing.

[Matt Laffrey]

Just I feel like there's someone. You're insinuating.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

That one. Pay the money, get the face out. Because that when you look like yourself and I mean, I thought that they all looked beautiful. And I think that every single person on that cast has used Face up at level two abs.

[Matt Laffrey]

Absolutely.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Absolutely. Okay, so let me just tell you, when me and my friends go out, even like just me and Teddy go Out. We're like, fix. We'll go send it to you or send it to Kate and go fix our face.

[Tamara Judge]

You know what I mean?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Fix our face. It doesn't mean turn us in to a totally different person.

[Tamara Judge]

Just a little.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Just a little brighten up. Get the circles out from underneath the eyes. You know, make the smile brighter. Yeah, I don't have a problem with it.

[Matt Laffrey]

You're going to be interviewing Adriana at BravoCon.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Matt Laffrey]

Will you be asking her about her use or misuse, I should say, of the filters?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yes, I will. Because I feel like, yes, we all like to look our best, and we don't want blemishes on our face or whatever. Or maybe we don't have makeup. Makeup on that day and our skin's a little blotchy. It kind of auto corrects that stuff without you know, making your chin bigger or your cheeks bigger and suddenly you're turned in or, you know, erase your nose or something like that. Like, that's a no. Girls don't do that. You don't think so?

[Matt Laffrey]

I will have. I will have a little, like, a little level one. Just kind of. It smooths the lines just a little bit.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, do you know what I like about face in particular? And by the way, this is an ad, but I might be getting one, hopefully. Yeah. Because it brightens your face up. Like, it brightens things up. So if you're like, the lighting's bad or something like that. So. All right. So they. They really lay into her about this. I mean, and the way that it's presented. Like, Giselle's like, you know, she brings up social media. She feels angel doesn't look like herself on social media. She was really, like. I would have just joked and said, you know, hey, girl, what's going on? This is a little bit heavy, filtered, whatever. But they were just, like, there with their arms crossed. Like, I just felt bad for her.

[Matt Laffrey]

Oh, I didn't.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

You didn't?

[Matt Laffrey]

No, I. I feel like Angel's not. She's not playing the game. Right. Like, look at the. Like, I keep. I hate going back to Stacy, but look at how she reacts to things versus being called out about a filter. Just have fun with it. Why can't. Why are we not. We should be laughing about this. She should be throwing shade back and being say to Giselle, well, maybe that you should start using a filter or something. Just volley back with her and have fun with it. But that's what I'm saying. She's not having fun. I didn't feel bad for her at all.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

So we agree. Angel, both of them had filters on that photo. So she was. She. They were lying. But.

[Matt Laffrey]

Oh, you think Tia had a filter in the photo that they showed up? I think.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I think they probably both did. Because, you know what's really up is when you take a group picture with your friends and you filter your face and not the other ones, that. That's a real bitch move. Real bitch move. But saying the catfish. Yeah, I thought that was a little harsh. Did you think it looked like her? Because somebody threw out there, like, well, she just had a baby.

[Matt Laffrey]

Yeah. I think Tia was trying to help her in that moment and just say, like, oh, come on, guys. She just had a baby and, you know, we should be nicer to her. But it was Angel's reaction, just for me, was like, girl, you gotta just. Just roll with it. You're so denied.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

She denied it. She absolutely denied it. It's not filtered. Nope. I'm like, okay, if you say so. Patty Stanger.

[Matt Laffrey]

Not the Patty Stinger strain.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I love Patty Stanger. And I. There's a story. Me, Vicki and Patty, this is years ago, went to catch and we took pictures, and me and Vicki were sharing a hotel room. We were doing Jeff Lewis the next day, and Patty sent us the pictures, and me and Vicki were doubled over laughing because we were like. We look like we were about 18. And each. It was like the young filter. You know, your cheeks are all puffy.

[Matt Laffrey]

It was the Gina Keough special.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. And I go, there's no way I'm posting this. There's no way. But then if she posts it and then I post the real one, you know, people, she'll really get caught. I don't think we posted it. I'm like, I'm not posting this.

[Matt Laffrey]

I'm not sure I. I want to say I had. Patty Stanger was probably the biggest nightmare I ever had to wait on when I was waiting tables.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Wait, what? You were a waiter? Where? Where?

[Matt Laffrey]

Toast on 3rd street when it was like a big deal. It used to be, like a very super popular restaurant. And I waited on a tea. I have lots of stories, but that name, it actually, it gives me PTSD because she was such a nightmare to wait on. Really horrible.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, my gosh.

[Matt Laffrey]

Hopefully she's changed.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

How long ago is this?

[Matt Laffrey]

Oh, gosh, at least 10 years ago. So it was a long time ago. So maybe she's a new person. Maybe to her servers. Anyhow, sorry, go ahead.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

That's good to know. It's a nice little tea there. Okay. Then Wendy brings up to Giselle that she didn't customize any of Stacy's stuff. Stacy defends herself because Giselle holds a different standard for her and brings up Giselle's new man Sean from the NFL. Now the whole thing about not customizing any of her stuff, I just. I'm sorry. I was mean as mean. If you wanted to play funny about it. When she's talking about customized, she's talking about her robes and stuff, right?

[Matt Laffrey]

Yeah, the embroidery.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, just put a known. I mean, make it funny. Just don't like, make it blank. Like don't know who you are.

[Matt Laffrey]

I disagree. I thought it was funny. I love that she did that. I don't think it was mean. I don't think it was mean.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

What if Stacy got upset and was crying about it? Would you think it was mean then?

[Matt Laffrey]

I think she knew Stacey could handle it. You know who would have acted poorly is Kiara.

[Tamara Judge]

Me.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

This season I would write about everything. I would have quit. I want to quit. That's it. They hate me.

[Matt Laffrey]

I'm not doing this anymore. She runs off in her unembroidered robe.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

You guys hate me. God. Thank God I can look back and laugh at all that. Oh my God. It just helps. Thinks these girls automatically assume this is her boyfriend now. This new guy Sean from the NFL. So she's gone on a couple dates. Ashley, I guess, knew about this guy, asked the table to raise her their hand if they been on a date with an NFL player. So most of the girls raise their hands. Stacy doesn't raise her hand. And Ashley brings up. I mean, this was premeditated. This was good housewife in Ashley is one of. She's right. Her and Giselle, like you said, those two know what they are doing. They are a moving storyline. They're doing all the things and then she drops the bomb. I heard you were trying to date someone on the former Redskins team. And Wendy starts screaming and asks if she was trying to date Chris Samuels. Now remind me, Chris was married to Monique. Monique, drag me. Monique, drag me. Monique. Yes. And is it a bad thing that she tried to date him?

[Matt Laffrey]

I mean, it's just if Stacy was doing it to be messy, you gotta love her because this is such a glorious way for them to get Monique back in organically. Like if they've been wanting to get Monique back on this cast. To have a housewife that's trying to actively date her ex husband is such a fun way to like bring her back into the Group.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Is it equivalent to me bringing Joe to Heather's birthday party?

[Matt Laffrey]

Who. Who's Joe?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Who's Joe?

[Tamara Judge]

Who's Joe?

[Matt Laffrey]

I would never know who One of the OG housewives in Orange county is that I've watched for 19 years. Who is that?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, Wendy didn't even have to hear his name. And Wendy's laugh cracks me up when she laughs.

[Matt Laffrey]

I'm loving her this season.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I know, I knew.

[Tamara Judge]

I know.

[Matt Laffrey]

Care about the fraud.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I don't care. Oh, my God. Let the frog be true. Your laugh is so cute.

[Matt Laffrey]

Such a great laugh.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Wendy, she. Yeah, she knew as soon as she heard that. She's like Ashley said the team. And she's like, I know who you are talking about. And we know they wanted to bring Monique back into the mix. Is Monique coming back into the mix?

[Matt Laffrey]

Yeah, we saw her. We saw her in the preview. She's coming back?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, she's coming back as a friend of mine.

[Matt Laffrey]

Hopefully with her, a new pet.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Wait, have we seen her at all this season?

[Tamara Judge]

At all?

[Matt Laffrey]

No, they showed her in a, like a flash forward three weeks later. Three weeks later. Because I guess they, from what I had read, they were trying to get her and I guess it was like negotiations kept going, going, going.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, so we can anticipate a Stacy and Monique takedown.

[Matt Laffrey]

I can't wait.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, Stacey will say no and next thing we know we'll see a contract where she was going to give him, you know, the 25% of her, 50% that she gets.

[Matt Laffrey]

Not Stacy in debt from being on the road.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Stacy, Stacy, Stacy. You have the potential to be a good high paid housewife. Don't be handing over any more money. Okay, Let this be a lesson. But overall it was a good. It was a good episode. It was.

[Matt Laffrey]

I loved it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I love a long episode.

[Tamara Judge]

It was.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

It was a good one. It was a really good one. But thank you so much for filling in.

[Matt Laffrey]

Yeah, this was so much fun. Always fun. I'm glad I got to do this with you.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Me too. It's the first time we've done together, right?

[Matt Laffrey]

Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Half a. Half an episode. Is she resting?

[Matt Laffrey]

Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. Okay. Let me know anything I need to know. I know she won't answer the phone or answer.

[Matt Laffrey]

Right. No texting for the rest of the day.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Breaks my heart. Okay, well, thank you guys for tuning in to another episode of Two T's in a Pod with myself and Matt Laffrey.

[Matt Laffrey]

Thanks, guys. Bye. Bye.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

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[Teddy Mellencamp]

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[Tamara Judge]

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[Teddy Mellencamp]

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[Matt Laffrey]

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[Teddy Mellencamp]

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[Tamara Judge]

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