Who’s the Daddy? (RHOP Recap)

Summary

Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge
Episode: Who’s the Daddy? (RHOP Recap)
Release Date: December 10, 2024

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Introduction

In this episode of Two Ts In A Pod, hosts Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge dive deep into the latest happenings on "Real Housewives of Potomac" (RHOP). Skipping over the usual commercial interruptions, Teddi and Tamra get straight to the heart of the drama, providing insightful commentary, candid reactions, and plenty of laughs as they dissect the most memorable moments from the season.

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Health Check-In

[03:00] Teddi kicks off the episode with a personal touch, sharing that both she and Tamra are battling illnesses. Tamra mentions she’s dealing with pneumonia, adding a relatable human element to the conversation.

Tamra Judge: "I'm getting pneumonia, I think, is what I'm doing here."
Teddi Mellencamp: "Everyone is sick right now. It’s going in waves."

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Community Headlines

Lindsay Hubbard Welcomes Her Baby

The hosts congratulate Lindsay Hubbard on becoming a mother.

Tamra Judge: "She is now a mom."
Teddi Mellencamp: "She welcomes her first baby, a girl named Gemma."

Melissa Gorga & Reality TV Pioneering

Teddi and Tamra discuss Joe Gorga's assertion that his wife, Melissa Gorga, essentially laid the groundwork for reality television.

Teddi Mellencamp: "Real World and World Rules started reality television."
Tamra Judge: "Melissa acknowledged her high follower count, which he compared to a high body count."

Nicole Murphy and Marcus Jordan Spotted Together

The duo covers the sighting of Nicole Murphy, ex-wife of Eddie Murphy, with Marcus Jordan, son of Michael Jordan, at DJ Khalid's event.

Teddi Mellencamp: "Nicole Murphy was seen hanging out with Marcus Jordan at DJ Khalid's foundation event."
Tamra Judge: "He's an older housewife, doesn't he?"

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In-Depth RHOP Recap

Brandi Hynes' Troubling Posts

A significant portion of the discussion centers around Brandi Hynes' controversial social media activity. Teddi expresses concern over Brandi's cryptic and distressing posts hinting at serious personal struggles.

Teddi Mellencamp: "Her tweet said, 'I wish I knew. I've been in and out of the hospital... Some doctors say I have a parasite... I personally say it's Bravo.'"
Tamra Judge: "It's pretty scary. People are making assumptions about what's wrong with her."

Kristen Lopez's Pregnancy Announcement

The hosts celebrate Kristen Lopez revealing she is expecting her first child with fiancé Luke.

Tamra Judge: "Mia is dead to her."
Teddi Mellencamp: "Congratulations, Kristen! You’re going to have a girl."

Wendy's Fashion Choices

Teddi and Tamra critique Wendy's questionable outfit choices on RHOP, highlighting moments that left them baffled and entertained.

Tamra Judge: "What is she wearing? It looked like if you popped her, she'd blow away."
Teddi Mellencamp: "Her outfit was $313 and really didn't suit her."

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Relationship Dynamics on RHOP

Karen and Ray's Relationship Struggles

The hosts delve into the ongoing tension between Karen and Ray, especially in light of Karen's recent accident and their strained interactions.

Teddi Mellencamp: "Rae says he's been helping drive Karen around so she doesn’t need to get behind the wheel."
Tamra Judge: "They're still together?"

Mia's Controversial Confessions

A heated segment focuses on Mia's public admissions about her relationship with Gordon, including potential infidelity and paternity doubts.

Tamra Judge: "I have zero respect for Mia right now. This is crossing the line in so many ways."
Teddi Mellencamp: "She’s exploiting her child by bringing this up on national TV."

Stacy and TJ's Turbulent Discussions

The interaction between Stacy and TJ is scrutinized, particularly TJ's overbearing behavior and religious undertones during their conversations.

Tamra Judge: "He makes more sense than she does."
Teddi Mellencamp: "He can flip a switch while drinking Gatorade. It’s confusing."

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Speed Dating and Social Dynamics

Teddi and Tamra share their thoughts on the speed dating segment of RHOP, highlighting Ashley's date with Josh and her subsequent appearance on a dating show.

Teddi Mellencamp: "I’d have a hard time winning people over in three minutes."
Tamra Judge: "I could tell within three minutes if I’m not somebody."

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Impact on Families and Children

A poignant discussion revolves around how the show portrays the interactions between the housewives' relationships and their children, emphasizing the emotional toll and ethical boundaries.

Teddi Mellencamp: "It's sad and unnecessary to involve the children in such drama."
Tamra Judge: "She’s exploiting her child by sharing personal issues on national TV."

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Conclusion

As the episode wraps up, Teddi and Tamra reflect on the intense emotional landscape of RHOP’s latest season. They emphasize the importance of setting healthy boundaries, especially when family and children are involved.

Teddi Mellencamp: "We all make mistakes, but intentionally promoting personal issues on camera is where it gets problematic."
Tamra Judge: "There are certain things you just don’t cross, especially involving your children."

The hosts sign off with warm wishes and teasers for upcoming episodes, promising more insightful recaps and honest conversations in the future.

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Notable Quotes

• Teddi Mellencamp [03:32]: "Everyone is sick right now. It’s going in waves."
• Tamra Judge [05:47]: "She is now a mom."
• Teddi Mellencamp [06:33]: "A high follower count is better than a high body count."
• Tamra Judge [21:57]: "He's freaking me out more every time he speaks."
• Teddi Mellencamp [38:40]: "She's doing her job, but it's still wrong involving the kids."

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Final Thoughts

Two Ts In A Pod delivers a comprehensive and engaging recap of RHOP’s latest season, blending humor with critical analysis. Teddi and Tamra’s dynamic chemistry and candid insights make this episode a must-listen for fans seeking an in-depth understanding of the show's intricate drama and its real-life implications.

Transcript

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

Hi.

[David Borey]

I'm David Borey and I am his dear friend Langston Kerman, and we host My Mama Told Me a podcast about Black Conspiracy theories. We just did a spectacular live show with some of your favorite comedians on the planet. David, tell them who was there. We had the Kid Mero, Marie Fostin and we had Jaboukie Young White. Some of your favorite comedians playing some of the most offensive and groundbreaking games. So listen to My Mama told on iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Ellie Flynn]

We want to speak out and we want this to stop.

[Tamara Judge]

Wow.

[Ellie Flynn]

Very powerful. I'm Ellie Flynn, an investigative journalist, and this is my journey deep into the adult entertainment industry. I really wanted to be a Playboy model. He was like, I'll take you to the top. I'll make you a star. To expose an alleged predator and the rotten industry he works in. It's honestly so much worse than I had anticipated. We're an army in comparison to him. From Listen to the Bunny trap on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[David Borey]

Hey everyone, it's John, also known as Dr. John Paul. And I'm Jourdan or Joho. And we are the Black Fat Film Podcast, a podcast where all the intersections of identity are celebrated. Ooh, Chat. This year we have had some of our favorite people on, including Kid Fury, T.S. madison, Amber Ruffin from the Amber and Lacey Show, Angelica Ross, and more. Make sure you listen to the Black Fat Femme podcast on the iHeartRadio app, AVA podcast, or wherever you get your podcast, girl. Ooh, I know. That's right.

[Tamara Judge]

Two Teas in a Pod with Teddy Mellencamp and Tamara Judge.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Hi, guys. Welcome to another episode of Two T's in a Pod with myself, Teddi Mellencamp and Tamara Judge. Tamara, you're in your Kansas City shirt. Where are you? What are you doing Kansas City?

[Tamara Judge]

I'm getting pneumonia, I think, is what I'm doing here. Yeah, well, I was sick when I came, but I thought I was going to be okay.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And I feel like everyone is sick right now. And it's kind of going in waves. Like, I was feeling better for a couple days, then I hit a. Like. Then all of a sudden I'm like, why am I congested again? Why am I coughing again?

[Tamara Judge]

My throat is raw. My chest hurts.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I'm like, do you follow Ginny Mullen, who's married to Jason Biggs? No. Oh, my gosh. She did this post where she was on an airplane, and, like, halfway through the airplane, she was like, my head's itching. And her friend or assistant or whomever was sitting next to her looked in her head and saw that she had lice. Ouch. And she was posting about it from the plane, and I'm like, oh, Hel.

[Tamara Judge]

Could you imagine? Did she get it on the plane or she.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No, I guess her. Her kids. Friends had it or something. I'm not going to fully remember the story. I just remember watching it being like, oh, my gosh. And she didn't really think anything of it, and she thought she just had dry skin. And so then she was all of a sudden sitting next to her adult friend, and she's like, I feel like something is up with my scalp. Like, it's just driving me nuts.

[Tamara Judge]

No, no, no, no.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But then all the people on the plane were like, well, thanks a lot for getting on the plane with fucking lice. Granted, I have had adult lice before.

[Tamara Judge]

Wait, there's a difference between adult lice? Are they.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I mean, like, when I wasn't in mature. No, my kids had lice. And so I paid for. There's this thing called lice berries, and they come and they, like, come to your house and check your hair. So I had them check them, baby.

[Tamara Judge]

Only in la.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, yeah. But then, like, a week later, they had it again, and I'm like, shoot, they didn't get it all out. So then I had them check me. And that was. I had I only had two lice, but they were there.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And I'm unwell.

[Tamara Judge]

How do you it?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Like? I guess there's like, two. I don't know if it's larva or eggs or whatever, but, like, they combed all your hair out and they found two. So. Anyways, watch out for lice, guys. Our producer just said, I wish you would have told me this before I came over. I'm sure Kaden feels the same way about your pneumonia. All right, well, we are getting into headlines and Potomac first headline. It's a positive one. Congratulations. Lindsay Hubbard.

[Tamara Judge]

She is now a mom.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She is now a mama. She welcomes her first baby, a girl with her boyfriend. She shared the exciting news on her Instagram photo of herself and her partner holding their little one's hand. Her name is Gemma. Brit Coof. Is that how we pronounce it? Or cuff.

[Tamara Judge]

That's quite a name.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I love the name Gemma. It's so cute. Gemma.

[Tamara Judge]

I know a Gemma. So then I'm like, oh, that's somebody that has a name.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And you're like, that's the problem with names. Like, you could love a name. And then all of a sudden, you meet somebody with that name and you have a bad interaction, and then all of a sudden, the name is dead to you. But I don't know any Gemmas. I don't think.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh. Is a name that he thinks really paved the way for reality tv. And that's his wife. So Joe Gorga claims that Melissa Gorga didn't just star on Real House of New Jersey. She practically invented the blueprint for reality tv and thinks the new cast member should bow down. Bow down to the queen. Yeah. So on Melissa's podcast on display, Melissa and Jo discussed Miami Kiki's bar's accusation of Melissa buying her followers. I think it was more like him just sticking up for his wife.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Right, but he probably could have said it differently. I mean, like, in my opinion, Real World World Rules started reality television. Like, we can go back to those original reality television no Way Back and.

[Tamara Judge]

Do Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, my gosh. I'm surprised they haven't brought that back yet.

[Tamara Judge]

I know, I know. And, well, Melissa did acknowledge her high follower count. And they're better than a high body count, Right?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Right. A high hairdo body count.

[Tamara Judge]

Yes. It might be because of her multiple business ventures. Meanwhile, didn't think any of that mattered. He argued that the new Brava lab should take note from Melissa. Well, you know what? He loves his wife. I'm not sure that that's entirely true.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But yeah I mean and also at the end of the day but follower count engage like I don't know that that has one has anything to do with the other. I think somebody could be a really great housewife but not be very good on Instagram and vice versa. Vice versa. This next one is Nicole Murphy, 56 year old model and ex wife of Eddie Murphy is spending time with Marcus Jordan. On Friday, December 6th, the 56 year old model and the 33 year old son of Michael Jordan were spotted hanging out together at DJ Khalid's second annual we the Best foundation. The pair moved onto the club 11.

[Tamara Judge]

It's just 11.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh it's 11 but with two ones guys I'm the smartest.

[Tamara Judge]

11 really likes him an older housewife, doesn't he?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well he I mean I also think hanging out with somebody at a club doesn't necessarily mean that you're together now. They could have just hit it off and then you know club in at 11:11. Whether it's the club or what time somebody goes out, it's too late for me. And no thank you on Marcus Jordan but thank you to some of the people.

[Tamara Judge]

Larsa was older than him and then I guess the girlfriend before Larsa was older than him so he likes himself some. Some what are they called? Milfs.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Milfs in der club. Okay so now we're getting into oh something else we should maybe discuss for a second and not in a mean way. I'm. I really am concerned about what was that post that Brandi did?

[Tamara Judge]

I don't which one.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well there's one that said that way worse things happened on the girls trip that you were on and it's like the video of all of you guys dancing on each other and then the other was the one of her face and I would never like I'm not commenting on somebody's looks but I'm confused on what the purpose of the post was.

[Tamara Judge]

Well I didn't she said sick it which I didn't quite understand what that meant.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

That's what I'm saying. What is it?

[Tamara Judge]

I think that she's made several comments to other people that stress is doing this to her and what bravo according those are her words have done to her and that's what she's dealing with now. I don't know what's wrong. I've never seen anything like that.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well her tweet after said what happened? I wish I knew. I've been in and out of the hospital this past year have spent almost every dollar I have trying to figure it out. Some doctors say I have a parasite that jumps around my face. Some say it's stressed induced edema. I personally say it's bravo. This is from Brandy.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, I mean, there's part of me that thinks because she's. I guess she's still going forward with this lawsuit that maybe it's evidence or sympathy or something. I'm not sure why she's. Why she's doing it. It looks pretty scary. People are making all kinds of assumptions of what's wrong with her.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

That's the hard thing when you, when you post a photo like that. People are going to make assumptions.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. I mean, sorry for her. Whatever the situation is. I mean, that can't be easy. It's like almost like flesh eating. Oh, it's.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I don't know. But I do think it could be beneficial, whatever it is like to doctor.

[Tamara Judge]

Out there that can help her.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Kristen from the Valley just revealed the sex of her first baby with fiance Luke. Us Weekly just reported and it is a girl.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Girl. All right. Well, congratulations, Kristen.

[Tamara Judge]

Happy?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. She's got to be really happy. There's a lot of. So there's going to be a lot of pregnancy on the Valley.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Especially you get on that show.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, my God. Oh, yeah. I'm hoping to have another baby real quick. Absolutely not. Shops close.

[Tamara Judge]

I swear to God, if you do, I'm going to disown you.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You do not.

[Tamara Judge]

I can't even deal with a pregnant Teddy.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I couldn't deal with a pregnant teddy. No, Absolutely not. That's. You may have to worry about a lot of things when it comes to me, but me being pregnant.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, not gonna happen.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Not going to happen.

[Tamara Judge]

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

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[Tamara Judge]

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

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[Tamara Judge]

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

Hi.

[David Borey]

I'm David Borre and I'm his grandson, Langston Kerman, and we host My Mama Told Me a podcast about black conspiracy theories. And more importantly, we are here to tell you about a very spectacular live episode we have coming out. It features some of your favorite comedians the world. David, Tell em who. We got the Kid Merrow. We got Marie Fostin. And we have Jaboukie Young White. Truly a phenomenal episode featuring some of your favorite comedians playing some of the most offensive and groundbreaking games possible. The audience was amazing. We shot it all in Brooklyn. You're not going to want to miss it. Let's get nasty. So listen to My Mama told me on iHeartRadio, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Ellie Flynn]

We want to speak out, we want to raise awareness and we want this to stop.

[Tamara Judge]

Wow.

[Ellie Flynn]

Very powerful. I'm Ellie Flynn and I'm an investigative journalist. When a group of models from the UK wanted my help, I went on a journey deep into the heart of the adult entertainment industry. I really wanted to be a Playboy model, lingerie topless. I said, yes, please, because at the center of this murky world is an alleged predator. You know who he is because of his pattern of behavior. He's just spinning the web for you to get trapped in it.

[Tamara Judge]

He's everywhere and has been everywhere.

[Ellie Flynn]

It's so much worse and so much more widespread than I had anticipated. Together we're going to expose him and the rotten industry he works in. It's not just me. We're an army in comparison to him. Listen to the bunny trap on the iHeartRadio app. Apple Podcasts or Wherever you get your podcasts.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Hey, I'm Jay Shetty and my latest interview is with Wiz Khalifa.

[David Borey]

The craziest part of my life. I can go from performing in front of 40,000 people to either being in a dressing room, being in a plane, or being back in a bed all by myself. He is a multi platinum selling recording artist, mini mogul, and an actor, which.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm all the one, the only.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Did you feel like a big break was coming?

[David Borey]

I didn't know what that big break looked or felt like, but I knew that what I was doing was working. The gang banging and the drug selling, that's not really for me. But the looking cool, the having girls, the making music, I'm like, I like that part of it.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

How was that experience for you, losing someone so close to you that you love?

[David Borey]

I am grateful that I was able to have like the last moments that I had and to be able to prepare for it. And it was something that I'm still dealing with.

[Ellie Flynn]

Listen to on purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Wherever you get your podcasts. Well, now we're onto. Giselle is going to court to have her dad's will thrown out. The will did not leave anything to her family. So this story is really, well, disturbing to me.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, it's disturbing, but she's also not giving us all the information. Okay, so obviously somebody in the family or maybe her dad was involved with somebody changed the will a couple days before he passed away or a couple days after he had brain surgery or something like that. And you. It's, it's noted who changed it, but.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

One that Anna Nicole Smith is going on here.

[Tamara Judge]

I suspect it's either somebody her dad was maybe dating or married to. I don't know if he was married or a sibling. Somebody, a family member that went in there and changed it. She's just not saying it because you're going to know who the money's going to and where it's going and it's going to tell you.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And I'm sure, well, maybe she's not allowed to say who did it.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, that's what I'm thinking. Which makes it even more confusing.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, I mean, the fact she said it was two days after his brain surgery and she was with him in the hospital during that time. So she believes someone close to him had a new will signed and even though he couldn't even hold a pen, I'm like trying.

[Tamara Judge]

Didn't say, like, where his assets are going. She didn't say who did it. She knows who did it. There's no doubt in my mind she knows who did it, because whoever that money's going to is who did it.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It made me sad to even think about having to have those conversations and now fighting in court for it.

[Tamara Judge]

And I just had this conversation with my mom because she has no will. She has no trust, no will, nothing. So I'm like, mom, you need to. Like, you need to do that.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. And it's not saying that it needs to all go to Tamara, but it's saying, get it done.

[Tamara Judge]

Right.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

This is a necessity.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, Giselle was on watch what Happens Live last night, and she said that Mia is dead to her. And after what she said about her.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Daughters, well, that was fucked up.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, Mia is fucked up. She's fucked up this entire season.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But also, like, what girls that are, like, 18 years old about to go to college, like, aren't going to from time to time. Like, come on. She also. I just think it. It's unnecessary.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. We didn't get to see Giselle's real reaction or confronting Mia yet, but we. She did the second best. She brought her daughters on first scene and talked about two of their grade point averages.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Wonderful. They are.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I was like, I never had a grade point average that high. And I still was probably. If there was door cams or whatever it is where there was a boy allegedly caught coming into that age. Okay. Then we get to TJ and Stacy.

[Tamara Judge]

Make it stop. I make it stop. He's freaking me out more every time he speaks. And this scene was a doozy.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

This was a real doozy. TJ asks. I mean, we'll get to all the other awkward things that happened, but she asked Stacy. TJ asked Stacy if she has considered hiring a forensic accountant for her divorce. Stacey thinks it will only take three appointments with the mediator. Then Stacey says the other ladies have advised her it would be a mistake for her and TJ to move forward romantically since she just got out of a serious relationship. Then TJ says he doesn't think Stacey should sleep with other people just because she's going through the trauma of divorce. Then Stacy asks TJ if TJ would continue their journey if she decided to see other people. TJ said he would still care about her, but might see other people, too. In that case, he won't sleep with Stacy until they're in a committed relationship.

[Tamara Judge]

He's so religious that he won't sleep with Stacy, but he doesn't pray after. Before I Mean before he eats, he's not going to pray. It just doesn't make sense. People that are that over the top religious, they're praying. I mean, even Wendy's mom was praying before the food even got there.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Wendy's mom was praying before she even got her margarita with extra alcohol.

[Tamara Judge]

I know, I know. So he's very confusing to me. But just the flashbacks of him telling Stacy, I'm warning you, was so gross. And then Stacy, it won't happen again. It won't happen again.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, no, already. And she's. I was like, this is a lot of red flags. Not only was it a red flag, that pizza, it looked disgusting. Disgusting. And I love pizza.

[Tamara Judge]

It was the worst.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But if you have to add salt to your pizza afterwards, there's some shit that went down and pre made crust that. But also, like, how can you let a man continue to be that rude to you on national TV and not even get like a little good sex out of it?

[Tamara Judge]

Like, what? Well, is he. Are they still even together?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I would hope not. I don't know. He was on. He was on Watch what Happens live with her two weeks ago.

[Tamara Judge]

So yeah, I think they are still together.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But even when, even when he was saying that stuff like, oh, you were at the party and you weren't hanging out with me. And she was like, well, I thought he was with the guys. And then she like looked scared and was like, it won't happen again, I promise. I'm like, let her do her fricking job. Quit worrying about the forensic accountant and what she's going to get in her divorce. Let her do her job.

[Tamara Judge]

You know what I think? I think he's doing his job and he's an actor and he's playing a part is what I think.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So you don't think he's actually an asshole?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, that too.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It's the way how quickly he can flip a switch while drinking Gatorade. We can't even blame it on like alcohol.

[Tamara Judge]

Gatorade out of a wine glass. I don't even know if that was Gatorade. It was something.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I don't know. It was like, remember when we were kids and it was like this plastic bottle and you like twisted the little top thing off and you'd like squeeze it and it was filled with sugar. I can't remember what it's called. It was just. It's got shake.

[Tamara Judge]

It's called sugar Water and dye is what it's called.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And the fact that she was just polite, like, I'm having a Gingerbread right now. But, like, she's like, delicious. It's really sugary. But then he brought more to the table, like, she was going to need more of it. She was like, no, thank you.

[Tamara Judge]

That had to have been the worst lunch ever on national tv.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I mean, I would have rather been on any of those speed dates than that lunch.

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[David Borey]

Hi, I'm David Bori and I'm his grandson, Langston Kerman. And we host My Mama Told Me a podcast about black conspiracy theories. And more importantly, we are here to tell you about a very spectacular live episode we have coming out. It features some of your favorite comedians in the world. David, tell em who. We got the kid Merrill. We got Marie Fostin. And we have Jaboukie Young White. Truly a phenomenal episode featuring some of your favorite comedians playing some of the most offensive and groundbreaking games possible. The. The audience was amazing. We shot it all in Brooklyn. You're not going to want to miss it. Let's get nasty. So listen to My Mama told me on iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Ellie Flynn]

We want to speak out, we want to raise awareness, and we want this to stop.

[Tamara Judge]

Wow.

[Ellie Flynn]

Very powerful. I'm Ellie Flynn and I'm an investigative journalist. When a group of models from the UK wanted my help, I went on a journey deep into the heart of the adult entertainment industry. I really wanted to be a Playboy model. Lingerie topless. I said, yes, please, because at the center of this murky world is an alleged predator. You know who he is because of his pattern of behavior. He's just spinning the web for you to get trapped in it.

[Tamara Judge]

He's everywhere and has been everywhere.

[Ellie Flynn]

It's so much worse and so much more widespread than I had anticipated. Together, we're going to expose him and the rotten industry he works in. It's not just me. We're an army in comparison to him. Listen to the bunny trap on the I heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, and my latest interview is with Wiz Khalifa.

[David Borey]

The craziest part of my life. I can go from performing in front of 40,000 people to either being in a dress room, being in a plane, or being back in a bed all by myself. He is a multiplatinum selling recording artist, mini mogul, and an actor.

[Tamara Judge]

Which, among the one, the only.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Did you feel like a big break was coming?

[David Borey]

I didn't know what that big break looked or felt like, but I knew that what I was doing was working. The gang banging and the drug selling, that's not really for me, but the looking cool, the having girls, the making music, I'm like, I like that part of it.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

How was that experience for you, losing someone so close to you that you love?

[David Borey]

I am grateful that I was able to have, like, the last moments that I had and to be able. Able to prepare for it. And it's something that I'm still dealing with.

[Ellie Flynn]

Listen to on purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Wherever you get your podcasts.

[David Borey]

Hey, everyone, it's John, also known as Dr. John Paul. And I'm Jordan or Joho. And we are the Black Fat Film podcast, a podcast where all the intersections of identity are celebrated. Oh, Chat. This year we have had some of our favorite people on, including Kid Fury, T.S. madison, Amber Ruffin from the Amber and Lacey Show, Angelica Ross, and more. Make sure you listen to the Black Fat fam podcast on the iHeartRadio app, AVA podcast, or wherever you get your podcast, girl. Ooh, I know that's right.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Then we get to Wendy and her sisters.

[Tamara Judge]

Would you rather been on a date with TJ or wear Wendy's outfit? Fuck.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I mean, my. I'm already have. You know, do my pose with the arm because of my, like, arm insecurities. I can't even imagine. Like, it would be like filling this up with a pillowcase here.

[Tamara Judge]

It's air. It was like. It was blown up. I'm like, what? I even. I had to pause it and call Sophia and I'm like, can you look at this? She's like, what is she wearing? It looked like if you popped her, she'd blow away.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And it was $313.

[Tamara Judge]

I know.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I mean, that I got.

[Tamara Judge]

She got robbed.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And who told her it was a good idea? Like, yes, I wear bad outfits all the time, but most of the time I'm by myself.

[Tamara Judge]

This is beyond. This is beyond. Like, and. And I think maybe when she was standing up, she thought the silhouette maybe was look good. But when you sit down and you only see from here up, she was like. She was like this.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It made Kiarna's, like, one that goes like this seem like the best outfit I've ever seen. But, like, I wonder if maybe someone else has that.

[Tamara Judge]

Someone else has that confessional outfit, don't they? Doesn't Angie have one similar to that?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, but Angie's is cuter. It has, like, the thing here.

[Tamara Judge]

Are they trying these outfits?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I don't know. I don't need my shoulders to be any bigger at any point in time. But I was thinking maybe Wendy had gotten into, like, the Willy Wonka gum. Remember when they turned into a blueberry?

[Tamara Judge]

It was.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

That's the outfit. I can't get it. She's so pretty. And, like, I don't know about it.

[Tamara Judge]

At the reunion, it's that horrible.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Hopefully she can wear something similar to the reunion. Wendy, we've been on your side this entire season. And then you gotta go and wear this outfit. But she tells her mom that she's resigned from being a professor. That conversation goes fine. Then I want to talk a little bit about Karen. How she says Ray has been going above and beyond to support her in the aftermath of her accident. And then Ray going, well, I. Oh, hey, Eddie, what's going on?

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, my God.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Is this thirst trap Monday?

[Tamara Judge]

Dave, you're in the camera. Can you not sit here? Yes, you are. Come on.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Dun, dun, dun, dun. But Rae then says he's been helping drive Karen around so she doesn't need to get behind the wheel. This scene is the most loving I've seen, the two of them together. Yeah, in my time of watching, it was loving.

[Tamara Judge]

But we're halfway through the season and we have yet to see any accountability come out of Karen's mouth. And now I felt like she was blaming Ray for her accident. And I'm like, she was blaming him?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, she was blaming Ray for essentially, he wasn't there for her. And what, like, did she mean he wasn't there for her? Like, he wasn't her chauffeur then. So now he. I mean, I don't get it. But then they talk about how they've been together 28 years and they're really working for it. She did also have to specify that she was drinking lemonade. But then did you see he did a weird little pause at one point. He goes, I drive you around so you can. It's my mic.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, Hell, she's smart enough, though, that we have not seen her drink on camera this season, right?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. We can't say that that's the same for all housewives. But she has not drank on camera.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, if you get a dui, the best thing you can do is not drink, especially if you're on camera.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, it doesn't help. Then we get to. Okay, this scene confused me a little bit. Mia and Kiarna sit down for lunch. Mia tells Kiana that Gordon is experiencing a severe episode of mania. Meanwhile, they're having a nice conversation on the phone as Kiana walks in.

[Tamara Judge]

It makes no sense. How many? Okay, so we should get Dorit and Mia. It's like between dorit constantly saying PK's an alcoholic, and Mia constantly saying that he's got bipolar and he's. I'm like this guy. The conversation they have later on in the conversation in the show was the most stable conversation ever.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But yet she's from his side. From his side?

[Tamara Judge]

Yes.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yes.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, he makes more sense than she does.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. Well, then Mia says Gordon asked her to get back together but not be intimate. And he even asked if Ink would be okay with that. I wonder if that even happened.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't know. I'm not believing Mia. Mia anymore. Mia's a lion.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And then Mia says she doesn't believe Ink is Jeremiah's father but is willing to take a paternity test.

[Tamara Judge]

But if she doesn't think that Ink is the father of Jeremiah, why would she bring it up and put it on the show?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, Gordon brought it up originally at the reunion, but why won't she let it go?

[Tamara Judge]

She's just like. I mean, it's so inappropriate, and she's exploiting her child.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And then she goes, I mean, I think he's probably Gordon's, but. Oh, my gosh, can you even take the similarity between the two?

[Tamara Judge]

And he's. He's really, you know, stepping up and being that little boy's dad, and I'm like, stop, stop.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And also the fact that she keeps speaking about Gordon's mental illness without Gordon present.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, I know. It's like Dorit without.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I. I don't know. It just was a lot. Then we're gonna get. We'll get back into that conversation of what Kiarna said and then what Mia conveys to Gordon, because I think it's two completely different things that were said once we get to the Gordon scene. But let's quickly go to speed dating.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, yeah, let's.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Let's. I Mean, the speed dating was fun, but then after meeting Josh at speed dating, Ashley goes out with him for drinks. Then Josh reveals he had thyroid cancer at age 28. Are we like, I appreciate. I liked this date.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, I liked it, but I don't think it went anywhere because she went on Love Hotel, the dating show. So she obviously didn't make a love connection with Josh.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Do you think that Giselle made a love connection with her guy? Because do we see him? I thought. I couldn't tell. Like, did we see him in the scene?

[Tamara Judge]

I don't see him again. Yeah. Would you speed date?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I don't think so. I think. I think I'd have a hard time winning people over in three minutes, you think? Or maybe three minutes would be too much. I mean, maybe I need a 30 second where I just go. And I'm like.

[Tamara Judge]

You get to figure out if you have that spark, and you can tell. Like, I could tell within three minutes if I'm not, like, somebody. I can also tell if they're a criminal, if they're a cheater. I can figure it all out in three minutes. It's a gift from God.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, I didn't mind the speed dating. I thought they. And I loved the part at the end where Ashley and Giselle were both. I like their friendship. Like, they were both kind of just laughing at the whole thing. And you could tell they were, like, legitimately, it was fun for them. And I like seeing fun because then we get to something very unfun.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, my God. Me explaining the divorce to our kids was kind of disgusting. And Gordon says he has come to terms with the fact that the divorce is happening. Mia shares that Kiana and Inc Told her she and Gordon need to set boundaries, including Gordon not living in the same building as Mia, which I don't see a problem with that because the kids are there. And it would, like. I think.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, it would. It would make things easier, I thought. But correct me if I'm wrong. I thought that Kiana told Mia she should not be in a relationship with Ink right now.

[Tamara Judge]

That's kind of what I thought too.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And then I was like, this isn't what Mia's conveying to Gordon. Mia's saying that, you know, Gordon needs to be out of there and blah, blah, blah. And that's what Kiana suggested. But also, I find it weird. Like, if you're gonna talk to somebody, I mean, granted, Kiana did give good advice. She probably shouldn't be with Ink. She shouldn't be having these conversations. But Kiana's not a professional.

[Tamara Judge]

No, but I love that she acted like she was professional. She's like telling Gordon, yeah, you know, I met with Kiana and she's dating a therapist or something. So like that.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Social worker.

[Tamara Judge]

Social worker. So that kind of makes her professional there. I'm like, oh, my God, she just gave her good friend advice.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I don't think she gave her, yeah, good friend advice. That was fine. But don't worry, she wasn't going to skip wearing that polo to promote her boyfriend's business. Get it?

[Tamara Judge]

I just think the whole situation was sad. I agree with a Gordon on this one. Like when the kids, when Mia said, are you guys going to be sad when we get divorced? They're like, yeah. And she's like, but why?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, also, was this really the first conversation that Mia and Gordon had with their kids?

[Tamara Judge]

They're like, you're not going to marry Mr. Inc, are you? And then I. She lost me when she. Mia lost me when she said she wants to preserve her kids innocence, yet she's putting it all out there on national TV that she's been cheating on their father for 10 years and her son might not be Gordon's.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, also at this point, Mia Inc. And Gordon, like, they all need a little bit of being on pause because whoever fed these little girl questions to say is not. It's not good.

[Tamara Judge]

No, I know. Do you think that they're going to read the paternity test at the season finale or is Andy going to read them at the reunion?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I hope for Jeremiah's sake we never find out this information, but we're going to. And I hope that, you know, we all, we all fuck up as human beings. We all fuck up as parents. We all do. You know, we've all done stuff on television that is. Is wrong, but this scene made my skin crawl.

[Tamara Judge]

Like, I have zero respect for Mia right now. This is crossing the line in so many ways. It's just she has no boundaries whatsoever. She talks about boundaries with Gordon, who's the father of her kids, but what she's doing is still wrong.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And then with the kids, and then you could tell, like, you know when kids start to use like a, a different voice because they're nervous on camera.

[Tamara Judge]

Like kids did that. I noticed.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, both her kids. And it just, it made me really. It made me really sad. And I couldn't tell if Gordon was crying.

[Tamara Judge]

I feel bad for Gordon.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I think he took his mic off at one point because didn't the daughter like go to grab. Didn't we see the mic. Like, he kept trying to get the conversation to end, and then she wouldn't let it go. Like, she kept bringing up new ways to talk about it.

[Tamara Judge]

And the thing is, like, when she talks about it and she's always got, like, this half smile on her face.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Like, because she thinks what she's saying is great. I mean, listen, I don't want to downplay whatever Mia went through with Gordon, but I also think that there's certain conversations that you have with your children.

[Tamara Judge]

I know.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And these aren't. This isn't the way he has been.

[Tamara Judge]

All season, talking about how she can keep multiple men. And I mean, it's just. It. I gotta believe, like, people out there are like, what the fuck, woman? Like, you are married. You were trashing your husband constantly, then acting like, oh, I'm. I'm here for him, but he's bipolar, but I'm here for him and I have a boyfriend, you know, and this. It's just all together. It's so gross. It's even reality tv.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. I mean, I think it's one thing, you know, if Mia was not involving the children and all of that. You know what I like, go, they're separated. Go live your life. Do what she's make there. There is no boundaries. It's made it very.

[Tamara Judge]

Not liking any of this.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No. And I just. It made me feel. I had a lot of empathy for Gordon and a lot of, like, empathy for her kids. And ultimately, they are going to have to watch this back.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, for sure.

[Ellie Flynn]

For sure.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I mean, at one point in time, they're going to be old enough and watch this. And listen, I don't think everyone. Everyone makes mistakes in life, I believe. But I think to intentionally promote it on camera.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Is where it really is. Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, there's just certain things you just don't cross. Like, you know, Sophia doesn't have a great relationship, any relationship with her dad. But we went into filming agreeing, like, we're not talking about this.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

We're not.

[Tamara Judge]

We're not giving details. It's all right to say, like, nope, things aren't good. But I'm like, you're not going to trash your dad. It ain't happening.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

It ain't happening. And she's like, I would never. Mom, I would never do that.

[Ellie Flynn]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And also, it's. It's not necessary to watch. Yeah, it's not. There's certain things like the. If that conversation just happened between Mia and Gordon and the kids weren't there, and it was done in a different way. Okay. But I. I love you and miss you, Tam. I am excited to see you soon, and I hope you feel better.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. And if you guys haven't listened to our Rebecca Minkoff interview, you will see a totally different side of Rebecca. I have been talking texting with her today. They shoot the reunion soon, and she's a little bit nervous. And you're going to see a different side to her, I believe. Like, I was shocked because she's been so quiet all season, but she ain't no quiet girl.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And she's funny. Her texts are funny. Oh, and for the record, she's somebody who, when she says she's going to send something, she sends it. The purse arrived on Saturday.

[Tamara Judge]

Really? I didn't. Well, obviously I'm not home, but I.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You're not home.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I'm sure you got it. It's really pretty boxes.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. I'm so excited.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

All right.

[Tamara Judge]

I got to send her some cbd, thc. Got to send her some gummies.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Send her some action. All right, thanks, guys, for tuning in for another episode of Two T's in a Pod. Talk to you soon.

[Tamara Judge]

Bye.

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[David Borey]

Hi, I'm David Bore. And I am his dear friend, Langston Kerman. And we host My Mama Told Me a podcast about black conspiracy theories. We just did a spectacular live show with some of your favorite comedians on the planet. David, tell them who was there. We had the kid, Mero Marie Fostin. And we had Jaboukie Young White. Some of your favorite comedians playing some of the most offensive and groundbreaking games. So listen to my mama told me on iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Ellie Flynn]

We want to speak out and we want this to stop.

[Tamara Judge]

Wow.

[Ellie Flynn]

Very powerful. I'm Ellie Flynn, an investigative journalist, and this is my journey deep into the adult entertainment industry. I really wanted to be a Playboy model. He was like, I'll take you to the top. I'll make you a star. To expose an alleged predator and the rotten industry he works in. It's honestly so much worse than I had anticipated. We're an army in comparison to him. From novel. Listen to the Bunny trap on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[David Borey]

Hey, everyone, it's John, also known as Dr. John Paul. And I'm Jourdan or Jo Ho. And we are the Black Fat Film Podcast, a podcast where all the intersections of identity are celebrated.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Ooh.

[David Borey]

Chat. This year, we have had some of our favorite people on, including Kid Fury, T.S. madison, Amber Ruffin from the Amber and Lacey Show, Angelica Ross, and more.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Make sure you listen to the Black.

[David Borey]

Fat Femme podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast, girl. Ooh, I know that's right.