Will Dadtok Survive This?! (SLOMW Recap)

Summary

Two Ts In A Pod – "Will Dadtok Survive This?! (SLOMW Recap)"

Hosts: Tamra Judge & guest host Jenna Kim Jones
Date: December 24, 2025
Podcast: Two Ts In A Pod (iHeartPodcasts)

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Episode Overview

This episode serves as a detailed and entertaining recap of the season finale and reunion for Hulu’s "Sisterhood: Living on Mormon Wives" (SLOMW). Tamra and Jenna dissect relationship drama, cast evolution, behind-the-scenes production manipulations, and the mix of real-life struggles and over-the-top reality TV moments. The conversation covers topics ranging from the pressures of parenting, holiday chaos, and wellness routines to the weightier issues of infidelity, trauma, and emotional honesty on camera. True to their "housewives know housewives" brand, Tamra and Jenna blend laughter, personal anecdotes, and candid opinions.

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Main Discussion Points & Insights

1. Holiday Chaos, Parenting, and Self-Care

Timestamps: 03:30–13:46

• Holiday Burnout: Both share that they’re “one and done” with active school involvement, finding it overwhelming compared to natural “room moms.”
  • Tamra: “I tried to be a Brownie leader one year... It was a one and done.” (04:08)
  • Jenna: “I was a good ref... but the whole process of it all, I don’t have the capacity right now.” (04:23)
• Holiday Decorations and Family: The hosts reminisce about decorating traditions, opting for DIY over hiring help; Tamra and her daughter keep up the spirit while other family members bow out.
• Social Battery & Sobriety: Shared introvert tendencies lead them to prefer hosting over going out. Both chat about drastically reducing their drinking, the physical impact of alcohol, and the rise of “sober-curious” lifestyles.
  • Tamra: “I went to dinner with Vicki and Katie and had two glasses of wine...the next day, I woke up in the middle of the night sweating.” (08:54)
  • Jenna: “It’s been months since I’ve had a drink. I’m not saying I’m not drinking, I’m just choosing not to at the moment.” (09:28)

2. Reality TV Snacks: Processed Food, Diet Soda, and Guilty Pleasures

Timestamps: 10:22–13:46

• They trade stories about attempts to avoid junk food, with Jenna suggesting Zevia as a Diet Coke alternative and discussing childhood snack restrictions.
• The intersection of “bad but good” processed food and “bad but good” reality TV is noted:
  • Jenna: “Well, you know, really good processed food is kind of like a reality show...it’s bad, but it’s good.” (13:21)

3. SLOMW Recap: Drama, Redemption, and the Art of the Reality TV Villain

Timestamps: 13:48–16:04, 21:33–36:15

• Taylor’s Phone Call Fallout: The Dakota cheating scandal is dissected, including his social media “hard launch” with a new partner and how serial infidelity is framed in the show.
  • Tamra: “You’re never going to get the truth out of someone that lies.” (14:10)
• Production Manipulation: Both hosts suggest that several events (e.g., Taylor/Chase date, Marciano/Jesse moments) have the fingerprints of reality tv producers.
  • Jenna: “I feel like those things were producer manipulated.” (33:43)
• The Villain Edit: The rapid shift from fan favorite (Demi) to villain is discussed, with Jenna noting the strategy of “leaning in” to the spotlight.
  • Tamra: “You’re only as good as this week’s episode. You can be great one season, villain the next.” (21:33)
• Redemption Arcs: Whitney is praised for her trajectory from controversial cast member to apparent peacemaker.
  • Tamra: “Whitney… really turned it around. I was really proud of her.” (21:38)

4. SLOMW Gender Roles, Cast Dynamics, and Friendship Complexities

Timestamps: 16:04–27:48

• Business & Friendship: Discussion of Jay Z Styles Hair Academy’s growth, the risks of mixing beauty services with friendship, and hair disasters.
• Custody Battles and On-Camera Disclosures: Taylor’s struggles with her ex and the emotional perils of sharing real-life drama on TV.
  • Jenna: “Everyone’s showing all sides, so you can’t pick and choose just because you don’t want to be looked at as the bad guy.” (25:44)
• Cast Payment Dynamics: The hosts debate whether SLOMW’s men are (or should be) paid, noting how on "Housewives" they are not.
  • Tamra: “On Housewives, the men don’t get paid...so maybe he’s like, screw this, I’m not getting paid.” (26:05)

5. Trauma, Therapy, and Emotional Honesty on SLOMW

Timestamps: 29:36–32:29, 44:35–48:21

• Unfiltered Conversations: Scenes involving barbie dolls, “speaking your truth,” and apologies are praised for their vulnerability.
• Demi’s Family Backstory: New insights into Demi’s childhood with a sibling with Down syndrome shed light on her need for validation.
• Trauma Revealed: Jesse discusses uncovering a repressed memory of sexual assault; Michaela shares lingering intimacy issues. The hosts emphasize the reality and variability of coping with trauma.
  • Jenna (on Jesse’s memory): “How people manage and deal with trauma...is different from somebody else, but to just [doubt], that’s not fair.” (44:35)
  • Tamra: “People block out memories they don’t want to remember.” (45:00)

6. Season Finale and Reunion Critiques

Timestamps: 34:32–40:19

• Anti-Climax: Both express disappointment with the reunion, finding it underwhelming and overly promotional (e.g., Dunkin Donuts appearances).
  • Jenna: “I was so excited...and I was so underwhelmed.” (34:32)
• Host Comparison: Nick is deemed a stronger reunion host than Stassi for stirring necessary drama.
  • Tamra: “Nick did a better job, that’s for sure. Sorry, Stassi.” (35:41)
• Do Reunions Even Work? The limitations of SLOMW style reunions are discussed, as cast can’t discuss unfolding storylines:
  • Tamra: “I don’t think they need a reunion...they film non-stop and half the stuff they can’t even really talk about.” (36:15)

7. DadTok Diss & Relationship Dynamics

Timestamps: 29:36–32:29, 45:21–52:06

• Both express fatigue with the Dadtok spinoff and urge the focus stay on the women.
  • Jenna: “I hope they stay on the storyline of the mom talk, because I think they’ll lose a lot of women if they go too heavy in dad talk.” (45:35)
• Marciano/Jesse Scandal: Debate over the emotional vs. physical nature of infidelity, with both hosts agreeing that emotional affairs are often worse.
  • Tamra: “I think an emotional affair is way worse than just ... having a few drinks.” (48:03)
  • Jenna: “If he said he loved her, that was it for me.” (48:16)

8. Cast Reflections and Real Life vs Reality TV

Timestamps: 52:06–56:06

• Dakota’s Future: The hosts debate whether Dakota will appear next season and if he deserves a paycheck; there's hope for a redemption arc if he takes responsibility.
• Personal Toll of Reality TV: Both Tamra and Jenna speak frankly on the emotional costs of filming reality TV, especially when real life (divorce, illness) intrudes.
  • Tamra: “None of this really makes sense when you have a friend that’s going through a really hard time.... I’d rather be there with my friend than scream and yell and fight with girls on national TV.” (53:48)
  • Jenna: “What I think a lot of people forget is that this is your actual life...we come at you like you’re our favorite character, or most hated character, but...these people are going through things.” (54:02)
• Would Jenna Join Housewives? Citing thin skin, both insist they could never handle the show’s constant public scrutiny.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "You’re only as good as this week’s episode. You can be great one season, villain the next." – Tamra Judge (21:33)
• "Processed food is kind of like a reality show...it’s bad, but it’s good." – Jenna Kim Jones (13:21)
• "If your friend does [mess up your hair], it’s hard because then you’re like, well, I’m not going back to you." – Tamra Judge (23:57)
• "I always think...Taylor has had such a very strong, empowered voice this season and I do feel like Whitney has showed up in the end." – Jenna Kim Jones (31:21)
• "If he said he loved her, that was it for me." – Jenna Kim Jones (48:16)
• "None of this makes sense when you have a friend that’s going through a hard time...I’d rather be there with my friend than scream and yell and fight with girls on national TV." – Tamra Judge (53:48)

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Key Episode Timestamps

| Time | Segment / Topic | |----------|-----------------------------------------------| | 03:30 | Opening chat: Parenting, holidays, and burnout| | 06:41 | Christmas traditions and family involvement | | 07:31 | Introversion and holiday socializing | | 08:54 | Sobriety & "sober curious" movement | | 13:21 | Comparison of reality TV and processed food | | 13:48 | SLOMW: Taylor/Dakota cheating fallout | | 21:33 | Demi's villain arc on reality TV | | 24:38 | Should women cut their hair at a certain age? | | 25:21 | On-camera custody & infidelity | | 29:36 | Dadtok, trauma, and therapy talk | | 34:32 | Reunion disappointment | | 35:41 | Comparing Nick and Stassi as reunion hosts | | 44:35 | Trauma revelations during reunion | | 45:35 | Dadtok vs Mom talk; keeping focus on women | | 48:03 | Emotional affair vs. Physical affair | | 53:48 | Tamra on real life vs reality TV |

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Tone & Style

• Conversational, honest, and breezy—with trademark housewives sass, humor, and “tell it like it is” commentary
• Supportive & empathetic—especially toward cast members dealing with real-life trauma
• Self-aware & tongue-in-cheek—about the spectacle and manipulation of reality TV

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Summary Takeaways

This episode is both a loving roast and a thoughtful critique of the SLOMW season finale and reunion. Tamra and Jenna deliver sharp observations on friendship, fame, personal boundaries, and the blurred lines between entertainment and real life. For anyone invested in the SLOMW cast, the episode is a treasure trove of inside jokes, sensitive insights, and classic "Two Ts in a Pod" banter—perfect for fans who want to keep up without watching every frame.

Transcript

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[Jenna Kim Jones]

Mellencamp and Tamara Judge.

[Tamara Judge]

Hey, guys. Welcome back. Another episode of Two T's in a Pod. Today I have again, the one, the only Jenna. Hi. How are you?

[Jenna Kim Jones]

You know, girl, to just feel. Yeah, I just feel, you know, you know, tis the season. Feeling just a bit spent. But it was. I'm a room mom for the first and only time I've realized I'm not.

[Tamara Judge]

So you're done.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

One and done.

[Tamara Judge]

One can do it. Okay.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

One and done.

[Tamara Judge]

All right.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

But I know, like, now that I can't. You know, like, some moms are just. I see these moms, and I'm like, God, you're just made for this.

[Tamara Judge]

Made.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

It's not me. I can't do it.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, Jenna, I tried to be a Brownie leader one year. One year. It was a very long time ago. Of course, my kids are grown now. It was a one and done.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. You. I could see you being like a Brownie Girl scout room mom.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

You just listen. I'll say. Where I excelled was I was in charge of doing the games. I'm a very competitive person. So when we were playing the games, I'm like, all right, get your toe back behind the line. Like, you know, I was, like, a good. I was a good ref. I kept the energy. I kept them having a lot of fun. But the whole. The process of it all and get into that part, I'm just like, I. I don't have the capacity. How old right now in this time.

[Tamara Judge]

How old were these kids?

[Jenna Kim Jones]

10.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, okay. That's when they're really opinionated.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Yeah. And it's hard for me, too, because, you know, some of the. It's like, I can only discipline my child. You know what I mean? So I have to be like, nope, okay. Back, back, back. You know, like, let's. That's wonderful. You know, and stuff. Yeah. I get expelled from being a room parent, but.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, that's funny. So are you done Christmas shopping?

[Jenna Kim Jones]

We. Yes, I'm done. I actually just put my last little order in right now before we got on, so I'm a big. Do you ever heard that? Le Lab Lilab.

[Tamara Judge]

La Labo. Le Labo.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

No fragrance. I love giving that as a gift. It's one of my favorite fragrances.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm going to have to check that out.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Yeah. So good. Yeah, we got some. Check really good. I use the scent. Another 13 I didn't even know about to my husband, like, he knows all the good fragrances and stuff, but. And they've got good candles. They're. It's good.

[Tamara Judge]

It's like Joe Malone. How they have the perfume. Yes.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Better. This is even better. Yeah. So I like to give those as gifts to the peeps.

[Tamara Judge]

Now, are you one of those that goes, like, absolutely crazy with Christmas? Like, hires somebody to decorate the entire house and the tree and.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

No, I have.

[Tamara Judge]

Me either.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I just like to just put it where I put it. And I know I don't like to outsource like that. That's not where I'll outsource.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. I like to do it, like, as a family. Although my daughter's the only one that's up for it these days. Well, she's only one left at home. And my husband's like, you guys have fun at that. Yeah, fine. But I like turning the Christmas music on. Decorating the tree.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Having. I don't drink hot chocolate, but coffee.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I think it's. I think it's fun. And I do it really early, so I do it the first week of November just because it takes so much to get everything down and out that I want to enjoy it for a long time.

[Tamara Judge]

Right. I did that this year. I went before a couple days before Thanksgiving, so it was up by Thanksgiving. I rarely do that, but it's like only having it up a couple weeks and going through all that work.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

No, it's not worth it. No. But I'm also the person that will take it down the day after Christmas.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, me too. Yeah, I'm done.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I'm like, we're done.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, it's done. Get this stuff out of here. Well, Melissa Gorga from New Jersey sent me her sprinkle cookies and her coffee cake. Have you tried them?

[Jenna Kim Jones]

No, but I love her.

[Tamara Judge]

I love her.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

She's so sweet. She's always been so kind and so nice every time we've ever chatted. So I just.

[Tamara Judge]

She's really. I love her. She sends them to me all the time, and. And I always try to post, you know, and promote any housewife that sends me their products, I will do that. But I can't stop eating it.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

That's okay. It's all right. I'm having a holiday party today. I decided to. The. The bus stop moms are all coming to my house later. I thought it was a really good idea a month ago.

[Tamara Judge]

Wait, you're hanging out with the bus stop moms?

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I am. And I was like, look at you.

[Tamara Judge]

You are paid out for this.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

No, no, no. This is where my manipulation comes in a bit, though. I'm gonna. I'll just call myself out because they're like, hey, we should all get together and go out. And I was like, I'll host, because I don't want to go out. I just don't like going out. So I don't either. Everybody just come to the house because I know that I'll say yes. And if we had a reservation tonight, the 12:30 Club downtown, I would probably cancel.

[Tamara Judge]

Me, too.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

So I'm, like, at my house. Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

I, like, over the weekend, I had things to do. It's the holidays, and two, three days in a row, I had something to do, and I cannot get back on track now. I'm so tired. I cannot.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I know.

[Tamara Judge]

Like, socializing and doing all those things. I'm like, no, no. I was supposed to go to a party last night for Glad, and I did not. I did donate, but I did not. I could not go. I was just. I'm so tired, so.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I know. And now it's the struggle, too, where it's. I don't drink that much anymore, so. And it's been. It's been a minute and so. But I know now that they'll probably bring some wine. I'll have one, and then I'm gonna wake up feeling, like, in the morning. Right. That's like, do I even do it, or do I just say no this time?

[Tamara Judge]

I don't know.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Tbd.

[Tamara Judge]

I went to dinner with Vicki and Katie, and I had two glasses of wine. And the next day, I felt like I woke up in the middle of the night. I was sweating.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Yes, the sweats.

[Tamara Judge]

The sweat.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

What is that? Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

And I'm just like. It's just not worth it anymore.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I know. You know, maybe what I'll do is I'll just, like, make a. A mocktail, but pretend like it's something like, oh, I already poured it.

[Tamara Judge]

But then I'm afraid if I say I'm not going to drink anymore, it puts pressure on you. Like, oh, my God, what if I do want a glass of wine? You know?

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Like, I don't think you have to say. That's the thing. It's not like you're saying I'm either. Like, I think a lot of people now are that sober, curious. I don't think you have to. Like, it's been months since I've had a drink. And if I'm not saying I'm not drinking, I'm just choosing not to at the moment. Doesn't mean that I'm never going to drink again.

[Tamara Judge]

That's what I was. You know?

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Like, I know certain people that, like, my husband isn't going to drink. That's fine. But I might have one maybe one time, you know.

[Tamara Judge]

See, my husband doesn't drink either. He's. I wouldn't say he's sober. Like.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Yeah, but he doesn't work for him.

[Tamara Judge]

He rarely drinks. He had heart issues quite a few years ago, and it's a trigger for afib. So he's like, why. Why would I do that? So it's very rare. Rare. And if he does, he'll have one drink. That's it.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Right.

[Tamara Judge]

But just like the Mormon wives, which we're getting into.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Exactly. And they don't drink at all. Besides those wigs or whatever they. Which I'm like, those are. Pop is so bad for you.

[Tamara Judge]

I know. I'm like, it's actually.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

What's worse.

[Tamara Judge]

Have you heard probably that wig? Have you heard a swig before they.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

They mix. No, not before the show, but they're mixing it. I'm like, if you're. If we're looking at ingredients. Because I'm kind of a crunchy person with that.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I'm like, it's. I. I can guarantee you. I think the alcohol is probably better than. Than the twigs.

[Tamara Judge]

It probably is. So, Jana, you know What? I did 20 something years. Never drank soda ever.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

We call it pop from Michigan.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay. Well, I now started drinking Diet Coke.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

No. Oh, no.

[Tamara Judge]

Because of my assistant.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

No.

[Tamara Judge]

My assistant.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

So bad. Go. So time out. Go. Go to Whole Foods and go get a Zevia.

[Tamara Judge]

Zevia.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

We are gonna blame you, Kaden, because that is so bad. And I get on Catherine, who does my podcast with me. So bad. Maybe like once a month if you want to treat yourself, girls. But go to. Go to Whole Foods and get on Azevia, and they've got a cola that tastes Great.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay, well, I'm gonna do that.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

It'll give you the bubbles. It'll still give you that coda pop vibe. No, it's not the best.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm gonna stop. So even my daughter, who would never. I never allowed my kids to have soda. She started drinking Diet Coke. Can. You know what happened? Her skin started breaking out.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Yeah. And infl. Because. And inflammation.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay, I'm not doing it anymore.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Do you know what? My mom. My mom finally, because she'd always get on me that I used to eat a whole box of Cheez Its like they were going out of style. Until I realized what was in Cheez Its right. Horrible. They're horrible. So my mom, over holidays or, you know, she was giving the kids. I go, no, no, no. Please don't. Like, please don't give them. She's like, oh, my gosh. I'm gonna give my grandkids Cheez its. I'm like, mom, they're so bad. Please don't. So she finally got this app on her phone because they're now watching what they eat. She's like, you know what's really bad for you? Cheez Its. And I was like, shocker.

[Tamara Judge]

Really, Mom? Thank you.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

She's like, now I see why you were so upset. So she's like, I will not eat those ever again. And I'm like, yeah, that along with the Diet Cokes and all the things. It's inflammation. And that's why she's like, I've lost so much weight. I said, because it's all inflammation. No.

[Tamara Judge]

So I have a girlfriend that loves Cheez Its and Wheat Thins and was my jam, too. She is tiny, petite, and ripped.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Ripped.

[Tamara Judge]

And she's a tennis player. She's an athlete all her life, but she's just really petite. Really ripped. Arms are just so defined. I'm so jealous. And she eats Cheez Its every single day.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Yeah, well.

[Tamara Judge]

And I'm like, girl, do you know how bad they are? Cheez Its and Diet Coke. But I did go ham on sprinkles. Coffee cake. It is really good, guys. If you need the dessert to bring, especially being from Melissa Gorka, like, it's kind of like, like, what are they, the white elephant gifts or whatever? Like, oh, this is great. People will be fighting over that because it is damn good. The cookies, the coffee cake, the coffee cup, the. They have coffee. Like, she's. She's doing it. She's. And she's doing.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I love that. Well, you know, it's really good. Like, processed foods. Is it's kind of like a reality show, you know that's. It's like. It's bad, but it's good.

[Tamara Judge]

It's bad, but it's sounds good. And I told myself I'm not gonna eat it today. I opened it yesterday and I took a little sliver because the top has all the crunchy stuff on the top and oh, it's so good. And I got this morning and I just went right into it. Cup of coffee and a little coffee cake.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Good for you, girl.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, I'm just gonna see how much weight I can gain this holiday season. So whatever it is what it is, I know how to get it off. So they. It starts out with Taylor ending that phone call with this family friend that was sexting and sending pictures. Then we find out at the reunion that he was sending pictures to shirtless pictures.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

That's what I'm saying. You're never going to get the truth out of someone that lies.

[Tamara Judge]

I know. That's when I turned on him.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Douche Dakota. And then I. Then I saw he has a new girl. He's. He hard launched her on social media, so.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Oh, he did? When?

[Tamara Judge]

Some, A couple days ago. Some cute little blonde. I don't know if she's an influencer or what. She is but. Girl, do you not watch the show?

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I will say those kind of guys, like for example, you know, X's past. I'm not going to just call out one specific one. Yes. Of X's past. It's like it's all out there and then when it happens again to them, I'm like, what did you expect?

[Tamara Judge]

Right. Right.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

If they, if you. I understand you wanting to give them a chance. That's the same thing. It's like I'm. I'm always up for. I don't want to be judged by my past. I've done some really shitty things in my past. I don't want to be judged for that because I've done the work to. To be better, do healing work, blah blah, blah. But at the same time there are certain people that just will continue to re repeat patterns. And to me he's a. He's that person until he just goes to that.

[Tamara Judge]

These are repeats. Yes. You know. Yes. Yes. Well, Taylor's dad thinks he's a full blown narcissist. I think every since social media everybody's a narcissist.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I think we all have narcissistic tendencies. I think you do. I think I do. I think, I think every person has a piece of that narcissism in them.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, especially people on TV.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Artists, you know, like, we're not listen.

[Tamara Judge]

Yep, yep. No, I mean, but some worse than others. Like, some are full blown. Like we all have our selfish moments and stuff like that.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

But listen, with his new, it's like maybe he's changed, but we'll tbd and if it happens again, then you know. Well, yeah, walk away.

[Tamara Judge]

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[Jenna Kim Jones]

I mean, listen, it worked for Whitney. You know what I mean? Sometimes being the villain gives you a bit more of a spotlight.

[Tamara Judge]

But Whitney, in the last episode. Last. Yeah, the season finale, she really turned it around.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Yeah, she did.

[Tamara Judge]

She really did. I was really proud of her.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Yep.

[Tamara Judge]

Really, really proud of her, I think.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Because I think she sees that, too. Like, she. I remember when she came here to do our podcast, she was. You could tell that she wanted to have a turnaround.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Was she lovely in person?

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I thought she was great. I honestly, I didn't. I had my pre. Preconceived notions. And then when I met her, I was like, she's great. I like her.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

You know.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, Jesse had a grand opening for Jay Z Styles Hair Academy. Now, this is a business she started way before she was on Mormon Wives. Right.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Mm.

[Tamara Judge]

She's had this for a while. Like, she's. She's a big deal over there. I kind of. I want to go get my hair done. What.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Would you. Would you go to a friend, though? Because I think it's interesting when they were saying, don't go to Jesse because she doesn't do good hair. I have a friend who does hair, and I won't go to her specifically because she's so close as a friend.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, that's the thing. So.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Because I'm like, if it's not good, how do you then not then break away going?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, well, yes, I agree with that. I have a friend that styles my hair for the show but doesn't do the coloring. You know, she'll put extensions in once in a while, but doesn't do the coloring. Just because my hair is very fine and. And I've had so many horror stories. Like, right now I'm going dark. My natural color darker. Because I went to somebody and you're blonde. Well, I mean, it's way darker than it's growing out.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Darker than my hair?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, darker than it ever is. My hair is not very dark naturally. It's kind of a sandy blonde. But this girl that I went to, not a friend, fried my hair so bad. Fried it. And when I looked in the mirror and it was like platinum blonde, I'm like, oh, no, my hair will be falling out within a month. And sure enough, so it's been like a year and a half. And it's, you know, it's probably grown out about, I don't know, five inches. It's maybe been two years now. And it's like there's still an inch or two that's dead, and I just can't. It's just so bad. So I'm just biting the bullet, not coloring it, letting it grow out.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

But.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, but if your friend does that to you, it's kind of hard because then you're like, well, I'm not going back to you.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

But I think it's great, though, that she's, you know, she's building her business and obviously the show's helping that.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, I mean, her hair looks great. Her hair. Yeah, all of them. They all have this nice hair. Just it's all like this. I call it the influencer look, where it's down to your waist and it's got that soft, beachy curls and kind of like yours. I love it, but I'm just too old for it at this point. Do you think girls at a certain age should cut their hair?

[Jenna Kim Jones]

No. Neither do I. I told my mom not to cut her hair and she cut her hair. And I'm like, you look like Aunt Susie. You're in this. But, you know, I'm like, why are you doing that?

[Tamara Judge]

Is your mom my age? How's your mom?

[Jenna Kim Jones]

How old? How old are you?

[Tamara Judge]

58.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

No, my mom's 65.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay. I feel better that I'm not your mom's age. I know.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I'm 42, so we're not.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, you're so old. So I have a son that's going to be 40 this month.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Okay.

[Tamara Judge]

My youngest is 20.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

You started young then?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, yeah. I was 18 when I had my first.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Oh, wow. Yeah, Yeah, I was old. I have a two year old, so there you go.

[Tamara Judge]

I have 20. 20 years between my youngest and my oldest. Oh, I've been. I've been raising kids for 40 years.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Well, talk about kids, Taylor talks to her mom about Ever's child custody. I know. At mediation. Yeah. I just don't. When he was, like, refusing to, you know, film the cheating story gets out there. What I don't like about that is saying, okay, so you're. You'll only show the good, but you're not going to show that. Everyone's showing all sides, so you can't pick and choose just because you don't want to be looked at as the bad guy.

[Tamara Judge]

Right, Right.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Taylor looked bad in the beginning. Whitney's looked bad. Demi's looked bad. Jesse's looked like. Come on.

[Tamara Judge]

I. Do you think they pay the guys on this show?

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Not as much as the girls, but I bet you they get something.

[Tamara Judge]

But, you know, on Housewives, the men don't get paid.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Oh, really?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. So I.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

It makes me know that. So maybe nuts.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. So. So I was wondering, like, is he, like, screw this, I'm not getting paid. Why am I doing this? Or is it. That's valid, you know, so I'm trying to look at both sides, but I was shocked to see him this season, and I think he'll be back next season. I think once they get in front of that camera, you know, and they're out there in the public person, and then time goes by where, you know, no one's going to be talking about this now for a while. And then they come back the next season, it's like pregnancy. You forget all about it.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I would if I was Dakota, though, and I was his agent or manager. He has a big enough name that he deserves to be paid. I don't think Brett should be paid. I don't think some of these other husbands. Yeah, I don't think they have enough presence, but Dakota is a strong enough storyline that I would have on there.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, yeah, he could get paid.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I don't know.

[Tamara Judge]

I was just wondering if he did, because, like on Housewives, the men. I mean, ultimately, we're married. The money goes in the same bank account, but, you know, but there's some people that have.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Right.

[Tamara Judge]

There's some people that are just dating, and these guys are not getting paid.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Well, that makes sense.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But they had. They talked about, you know, wanting to. It wasn't baptism. What was it? It was.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

It was like the. What's that called? A christening.

[Tamara Judge]

They had a different name for it, but I think basically that's what it was. And they had to have. They had it set up, and they had to cancel it because he wouldn't film, and they wanted to film it, and he wouldn't sign off. I Guess I don't know. I don't know why they still couldn't have done it even though the cameras weren't there.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Right.

[Tamara Judge]

Or he just didn't want to be around her. I don't know. I'm very confused about all of it. Whitney and Macy talk about the upcoming Mom Talk meeting. I thought it was really nice that Whitney got the girls together and wanted to end the season on a good note. And ultimately when they do meet. Getting ahead of myself. But, you know, she does say that she wants to be back in this group and not just for business reasons.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Yeah, I think we all want that friendship. I think some things can be difficult when you're not actual friends. Like, again, they were. They were all friends doing that dancing stuff, but they weren't probably the strongest of friendship for a long time. So I think when it becomes business and then muddied friendships, but knowing at the end of the day, they are all in this together. So a friendship should be something that is helpful for each one of them.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Yeah. And I was happy that she did that. And I was happy all the way to the end until I wasn't happy. And we'll get to that.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

You mean with how boring the reunion was.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, my God. Or what I really want to say is the fact that Taylor went on a date, maybe not a date with Chase.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Oh, that was weird.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm like, the whole time I'm thinking, oh, this is such a great way to end the season. They're all getting along and then that happen.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Well, I just didn't like what Chase. Yeah, we're getting ahead of ourselves, but yes.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, we'll get to it. But I'm just like, no, but in the meantime, we have Jordan and Jesse deciding they're gonna try to make it work and love. And I love that they seem like they truly love each other. I just couldn't take Jordan serious with his Utah dad talk hat on.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Is it a real thing? Like, are they making money off of this?

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I have no clue.

[Tamara Judge]

Did they have their own, like, oh, my. Like, oh, my God.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

And I do hope they make it work, though.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, I think they will. I mean, according to social media, they're still together. And I didn't know that Jordan was a teen dad.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I didn't know that either.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, he had talked about it. I feel like every one of these girls, even guys have had some traumatic experience in their life. They're all going through therapy. They all talk about their triggers. Like, there. There's a lot of trauma within this group there is.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

And it's nice that they're. Honestly, it's. Again, I. I think it'll be helping people talking about it.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

It's not just surface stuff. Like I lost my diamond earring in the water, you know.

[Tamara Judge]

Kim Kardashian.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

No.

[Tamara Judge]

And no.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

No shade on them either. I love the Kardashians, but you know what I'm saying, Like they're like, really? And then now they're talking about deep stuff. But back then it's like, this is nice to have a show that started.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

You know.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

So.

[Tamara Judge]

So I like that they did get. They really put a lot of thought into meeting. They even got a room that they're going to meet at. And I don't know if it's a house or event venue. I don't know. But it had a kitchen, it had a pool. Everything will look like a big old house. And then they had these glow sticks around their necks where they spoke their truth. Then they apologized and then they broke it off. And I mean, then they had. What was it? A Barbie that was.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Had mom talk across her ass or something like that. And a cocktail in her hand. And you know, you can only talk when you have the Barbie in your hand.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Yeah. It's very Legally Blonde of them.

[Tamara Judge]

It was. Right. That's exactly what it was.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

But did you feel like Whitney was being the voice of reason?

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I always think her. Well, like, I think Taylor again has had such a very strong, empowered voice this season and I do feel like Whitney has showed up in the end.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. So Demi apologizes Taylor and sharing her struggles growing up with a brother with down syndrome. That's another thing that we didn't know anything about. I don't know that we've ever even seen Demi's parents or siblings or anything. You know, when she talked about she had a term for it. I can't remember what it was. But you know, being the other kid when so much time is spent on one child and you're kind of don't know where you fit in and that really made me understand her a little bit more. Right.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

And that need for. Not attention, but for love, you know, even though that she was getting love but not in the way that her six year old self not probably didn't feel that.

[Tamara Judge]

And I honestly don't care what happened with Marciano anymore. Like, I'm so over it.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

It's besides the point because at the end of the day it's the only person that knows is the man up there. You know what I mean?

[Tamara Judge]

Right. It's like, why are we giving this guy any more attention, honestly? Yeah. Well, they do end up throwing this baptism. Was it a baptism or was it just a party? I wasn't quite sure. In Taylor's dad, you know, at her parents house. And he prayed for everybody, and it was sweet. And Dakota wasn't there. It's like, come on, buddy, just show up.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Yep.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. And then we get to the end where Taylor and Chase go to dinner, and I'm like, why? Why is this happening?

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Do you think that he asked Taylor for a kiss for old time's sake? It's like, that is the last thing a. That either one of you guys should do. But she's in a better place. So I think that one was probably a storyline that was created with the help of the producers is my.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, I think I'm gonna agree with you on that one.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Ever have done that or Taylor would have agreed to that. Which is why I also think even back in the episodes prior with even again, I. Here we go. Bringing him up again. Marciano and Jesse, like, him bringing the flowers or him going there that get. I feel like those things were producer manipulated.

[Tamara Judge]

Mm. I agree with that. But I was just like, no. Isn't that kind of breaking girl code too? Miranda was married to Chase, right?

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Yeah, I don't think. I mean, their girl quote is very blurried.

[Tamara Judge]

It's like they're the only people that live in Utah. They just all date each other.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Yeah. I mean, Hardy kissed.

[Tamara Judge]

They've already kissed.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, were they talking about the shower too?

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Well, they were a part of the swinging couple, you know, so.

[Tamara Judge]

I can't. I can't with these.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

That was the whole. And that was why it was hard for Taylor and Miranda because of their. The whole thing. But.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, my God. Well, that's it. That's the season finale. We'll just breeze through the reunion.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Were you disappointed? Because I truly. I was so excited. I even put like a cow, like, alert, like, reunion. I was so excited, and I was so underwhelmed. I'm like, when are we gonna get to. Just so underwhelming. But they also agreed, though. I feel like everybody on the cast said like, hey, we hear you. We also were very disappointed with that 13 hour edit. That was crap.

[Tamara Judge]

So first reunion, they had Nick. Second reunion, they had Stassi. Did you think Stassi did a better job?

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, you didn't.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I like. I like Nick.

[Tamara Judge]

I like Nick too.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Yeah, I did I watched the reading. I didn't watch all the show like I watched like, oh, gotcha, gotcha. This is the reunion. But I think, I think Nick is good because he did drum up some of the drama.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

As opposed to just keeping it girl friendly. And I think Sassy's great. But I, I do like you want someone that kind of goes, I don't know, but did you to then get the other people? And it's not like I'm not like we're looking for cat fights, but we do want a little bit of drama. We want a little bit of the. Right.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, yeah. No, I agree. I think that Nick did a better job, that's for sure. Sorry, Stassi. I think that's a really hard shoes to fill. You know, when it comes to reunions. It started on Housewife. Andy Cohen is amazing at it. So good at it. So anytime any show has a reunion like this, it just never compares. First of all, I don't think they need a reunion because of the fact that they film nonstop and half the stuff they can't even really talk about. And they're.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

That's such a good point. Because you're like, oh, well we can't. And it's like, well then why are you here?

[Tamara Judge]

Why are we doing this? Yeah. I just don't think that it's a smart thing to do. I don't know.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Unless you can give us a little bit more stuff. That's the thing. Unless they can give more tea instead of saying wait till season three. It's like, okay. You just.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, she said that so many times.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

And it's so many times.

[Tamara Judge]

You can't like the, the Marciano of it all. They couldn't really talk about it in the last reunion because they were filming it for this next season coming. It's just, it's crazy.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

It's almost like they should have their reunion when it is completely done.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. I just don't think they need a reunion. And I'm curious to see after the both reunions not doing that well that. Or maybe they did. I don't know. The ratings just. I hear the backlash of people saying they didn't like it and then plus.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

There was a lot of big. I'm a big like love is blind reunion. People like, I like those because you know that that's. It's done after that, you know.

[Tamara Judge]

Right.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

So they have to say all the stuff.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. And then it was very like promotional like the Dunkin Donuts. Like, here we are. I'm going to Go over to the Dunkin Donut Bar and I'm going to get myself a drink. Right, we get it.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Wait, can I just have like one piece of clarity? Is Jen actually related to Ben? I've never understood that.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, I don't think we know. It's right up there with the Marciano thing.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Okay. She's in the Duncan commercial with Ben.

[Tamara Judge]

I know.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Funny.

[Tamara Judge]

That is funny that.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

It was a funny idea.

[Tamara Judge]

And it's like Jen, who's not an actress, has more lines than Ben. All he is drive through lane and he's out. Rude.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Rude. It's funny. And they don't even drink coffee, apparently.

[Tamara Judge]

And they probably don't even. They probably weren't there at the same time. Right. Filming that commercial probably filmed totally two separate areas differently.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Yeah. Right. Unless she flew to Los Angeles where he's at. I don't know.

[Tamara Judge]

I didn't see any pictures of them.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Okay.

[Tamara Judge]

But.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

But your. Your peep said no, so.

[Tamara Judge]

No, I guess they're not.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

And of course, who comes out as the bartender is Chase for the Duncan promotion.

[Tamara Judge]

I know Chase. And then his brother.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Yeah. Which again, I think they're cute.

[Tamara Judge]

They are.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Oh, well, the brother. The brother. I'm talking. Yeah. Layla and Mason. Like, they're cute together.

[Tamara Judge]

Mason is.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I like his long hair.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. I think he's really cute and I think they're really cute together. And I think they're still together. Layla and Mason.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I like that.

[Tamara Judge]

I like that too.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I just hope that Mason isn't using her or shows purposes.

[Tamara Judge]

Doesn't he seem really sweet, though?

[Jenna Kim Jones]

He does. I know he seems really sweet.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, yeah, Yeah. I didn't think what he wore was very sweet. His black.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I don't remember.

[Tamara Judge]

Tank top. I don't know.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I don't think any man should wear a tank top that's not like in the heat of the summer.

[Tamara Judge]

It's like, you know, like the Hanes tank top. I mean, they.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

My husband calls them vests tank tops.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, really?

[Jenna Kim Jones]

That's what we should call it. That's a. Cute. Even though it's. Where.

[Tamara Judge]

Where's your husband from?

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Scotland. Okay.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, yeah.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

He's Scottish.

[Tamara Judge]

Scottish. He should. He should go on Traders.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

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[Tamara Judge]

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[Jenna Kim Jones]

Exactly. I think the piece that makes me sad is a lot of people that I saw were saying like, how do you, how do you just randomly uncover the memory of getting raped? And it's like, listen, how people manage and deal with trauma and how they store it and deal with it is might be different from somebody else, you know, but to just.

[Tamara Judge]

Well then people also block out memories that they don't want to remember. Traumatic things. Yes. Yeah.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

So.

[Tamara Judge]

So I mean I would never so.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Brave of her question somebody like that. Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. So all the guys come out except for Brett, which I didn't quite understand that Demi's husband because he's not a.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Part of dad talk. So he's like, he's Basically, the old dad. You know what I mean? They're just like, they need to stop with dad talk.

[Tamara Judge]

They need to stop with that. I don't need dad talk. I want it to be about the moms. Just. Let's do that.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I would. I hope they stay on the storyline of the. The mom talk, because they're gonna. I think they'll lose a lot of women if they go too heavy in dad talk.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. What?

[Jenna Kim Jones]

It feels too forced.

[Tamara Judge]

It's so forced. What did you think about the unseen footage of Marciano and Jesse talking? Do you remember that? Like, she asked him. She asked him, did. Did. Do you think we. And he said, yes.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

If you have to ask, then there's reasonable doubt.

[Tamara Judge]

Right.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

In a court of law. Right. I mean.

[Tamara Judge]

Right.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I don't know if there's not a. I mean, listen, in my 20s, I'm like, did I have. But that is like, years, 20 plus years ago. Right. Questioning maybe something.

[Tamara Judge]

Is it that they were drinking and.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

They'Re not supposed to drink? But I know she drinks. Doesn't she drink?

[Tamara Judge]

I think she drinks. But he also said he took, like, a Viagra that night, too. Too. Yeah, in earlier episodes. So I'm confused. I don't know. But her husband is right there. The Alice Cialis. That's what it was. And then she's like. Was telling him that she loved him. And I'm like, how long did this emotional affair go on? Like, when I thought about the Marciano of it all, I instantly thought it was Marciano and Demi.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Yes.

[Tamara Judge]

And really what happened with them was really nothing. Yeah, it really. There's a lot to this Jesse and Marciano stuff.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I think Jesse was so unhappy in her marriage that. And. And I'll say this. When someone is so unhappy in their marriage and they. So whether sober or not, people can do stupid things and still not mean them. So I think she probably. I. I still think there's a little bit more to maybe what happened, but there's no way that maybe she can even wrap her mind around it because she's just, you know, again, kind of pushing it down. But. And maybe that's. That's all there is. But I do think people, when they're so unhappy, it doesn't make it right. And whether they did or they didn't, it was inappropriate. Bottom line. So does it, at the end of the day, really matter physicality of what it was? I. I don't think so. When you step a line, you step a line. Yeah, I mean, that's just me. Some People are like, no, it's. It's only bad if they. If they actually had sex. I'm like, no, it's not. Words like, my ex could have had sex with so many people, but if he said he loved someone, that was it for me.

[Tamara Judge]

Right. I think an emotional affair is way worse than just 100 having a few drinks.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

People do not get that. Like, my husband. I would never. He like. He's like, what do you mean? But he. I was like, it doesn't matter if he said he loved her. Done.

[Tamara Judge]

Done.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

The emotional is so much more impactful to me.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, Dakota shows up to the reunion now. Do you think. Wait, back to the Marciano thing. I had a question. Stasi said that the guys were in Italy.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Yeah. But again, we don't know till season three. So it actually happened.

[Tamara Judge]

So it's the next season.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

The next season.

[Tamara Judge]

So why would they send the guys right back into the situation and send Jesse's husband Jordan to be around Marciano?

[Jenna Kim Jones]

You know why?

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, God, do you want good tv?

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Because I want to watch it. And you know why they did that?

[Tamara Judge]

I couldn't imagine any guy that went through that be like, yes, that sounds like a great idea. I'm going to go and hang out with a guy that.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

My wife was having camera 1000%. No on camera. Give us the drama.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, as a viewer. Yeah, I want to see it, but I'm like, that is crazy. Crazy. Do you think Dakota coming to the reunion and all. All the girls had to leave? Do you think that that was Taylor's idea? Like, she didn't want to be sitting in the same room as him or his idea?

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I think it could be a little bit of both. But I bet you it was more him. I think it was probably him not wanting to face all of that.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Than her, because I think she's. She's a strong girl. Like, she. I think she's. She's very forgiving. She's very. She's smart and she's forgiving, and I think she's really strong, and she can go like, all right, yeah, whatever. It didn't. Didn't work. Yeah. But I don't think she's. I don't see her as the type to be like, I can't be in the same room as you. I just don't.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, actually, it says he said that he's only attending the girls are backstage. But it didn't really work out because Taylor couldn't take much of it sitting backstage. Listen to his Bullshit. And she's like, I'm going out there. I'm going out there. And then one of her. One of the girls followed her, right?

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Went right out there and sat with her and. And then the first thing he says to her is, you look pretty. It's like, what? Just don't talk to her. Don't.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Such a Mr. Big comment.

[Tamara Judge]

I know you're so proud. Shut up. Yeah. So they go round and round. And then Taylor's parents came out. They had jeans and black T shirts on. Everybody's dressed up guys.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I know, but if. But if they walked out in a full on gown, I feel like people would say, oh, they're not the stars. It's like, I don't think they could have won in any, any way.

[Tamara Judge]

Maybe a blouse. I don't know.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Right. I know slack something.

[Tamara Judge]

They were dressed the same, right?

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

But again, I do think if people would have come at them if they.

[Tamara Judge]

Were all bound up, maybe. I don't know. But you know that he tried. He attempted to apologize to them after he was so heated and he felt like it wasn't fair because he was emotional. And then Leanne gets emotional and then Jeremy says he can't accept anything that comes out of Dakota's mouth. Yeah. And we just kind of leave it like that. And I mean, I'm curious to see if Dakota will be back next season.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Again. I think he deserves a paycheck if he's not getting one. And I would like to see him back because I do want to root for people, especially people like a Dakota. The underdog stories of it. I would love to see growth and change with him and I would love to see him happy and in a relationship and healing and doing the work. And I really can do it.

[Tamara Judge]

I really think you can do it.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I think anybody can if they want to and if they can own up to their mistakes and stop blaming other people, I think that's the easy route with a lot of I, you know, for women and men.

[Tamara Judge]

I just think he's a guy that can't be alone. And I think he really wants to be a Taylor and he wants his family back together. But then when some girl slides in and he's down and out and he's like, here. You know, we got to know. We talked about this a little bit earlier, but he was sending her pictures as well. Yeah, he was sending her pictures. And I'm shocked that this girl's face has not come out. You know, there's some shady friend or something is like, here she is.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

This is her.

[Tamara Judge]

All we know is she goes to the gym because, what was it? Chase saw her at the gym. She's friends with Leanne, and that's all we really know. But, you know, he stormed out of there. He took his clothes off so fast. He took that mic off, and he's like, I'm out. I'm done. I'm not doing this anymore. And I'm like, oh, yes.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I think everybody has said that on the show.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, I have. I, I, I did it in Bali.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

How many times have you said, you're done?

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, well, Bali was probably my first time. I just, I was going through a horrible time. I was going through a divorce. My husband was trying to do, you know, take custody away with no merit whatsoever. Like, it was just. And I just couldn't take it. And I'm like, I'm done. And then this season was super hard for me to film because two weeks after starting, Teddy got diagnosed. And it's just like, none of this really makes sense when you have a friend that's going through a really hard time. It's like, I'd rather be there with my friend than scream and yell and fight with girls on national tv. It just didn't.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Well, puts things into perspective. Exactly. That's what a lot of this is, is. And what we forget is that. And again, I am not in the reality world as like, like you, but I watch it as a TV show.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

And what I think a lot of people forget is that this is your actual life. You're not playing a script from the pages. Like, you're. This is. This is your life. And so I think that is where the difference for us viewers, because we come at you like you're our favorite character or our most hated character, but yet these people are going through things, and what is, you know, what's it worth at the end of the day?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. I mean, you can go through things and have supportive friends that are there for you and get through it, but if you're going through these things and then you have people coming at you, you're like, I don't want to. I don't emotionally have the energy to deal with this crap. Yeah.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

That's why I'm not moving to Beverly Hills and being on the Real Hospital, Beverly Hills.

[Tamara Judge]

I actually heard that Teddy's the one that gave your name.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

She gave my name years ago.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, really?

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Like, years and years and years ago to be, like, a friend of hers on the show. But now they've called again. And that's when I'm like, I don't live there.

[Tamara Judge]

What? Oh, wow. Wow. I think they should do one where you're at now. I think that they've talked about it off and on, but I think that.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

They should do it so many times. They have. But yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

And would you do it then? Yes.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I don't again, no.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't have thick skin.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I couldn't do it. I couldn't do it.

[Tamara Judge]

Would your husband do it?

[Jenna Kim Jones]

He actually talked to the OC back in the way day.

[Tamara Judge]

Like what do you mean?

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Yeah, his. He was friends with his ex wife was friends with someone and they had I think briefly talked to someone about maybe doing it way back in the day.

[Tamara Judge]

Is his ex in Orange County?

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Not anymore. Oh yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Would I have known her? Known her?

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I don't know. I don't think so. But one of the. One of the wives do. Huh.

[Tamara Judge]

Interesting. Yeah, but that is interesting.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Fun fact.

[Tamara Judge]

Fun fact that. Which would have been just another divorce on reality tv.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

But anyways, thank you so much. It was so fun getting to know you a little bit and I hope you have the best holidays.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Hope you do too. Love.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Sweet.

[Tamara Judge]

So thanks guys for tuning in. And that's it for the season. I don't know when the next season comes out, but I'm sure it's soon. They're. They're like a well oiled machine over there at Hulu. So. Bye guys.

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