Will The Real Slim Sutton Please Stand Up? (RHONY & RHOBH Recap)

Summary

Podcast Summary: Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge
Episode: Will The Real Slim Sutton Please Stand Up? (RHONY & RHOBH Recap)
Release Date: January 9, 2025
Host/Author: iHeartPodcasts

In this episode of Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge, hosts Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge delve into the latest happenings in the Real Housewives franchise, specifically recapping episodes from The Real Housewives of New York (RHONY) and The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills (RHOBH). The discussion is interwoven with heartfelt conversations about recent devastating wildfires in Los Angeles, affecting both celebrities and everyday residents.

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1. Los Angeles Wildfires: Impact and Personal Reflections

The episode opens with Teddi and Tamra addressing the current dire situation in Los Angeles due to massive wildfires. They express deep concern for those affected, including friends, loved ones, and animals forced to evacuate.

• Tamra Judge [02:15]: "It's a pretty frightening time in Los Angeles right now... so many of our friends and loved ones losing their homes."
• Teddi Mellencamp [04:45]: "Mark Hamill called it the most horrific fire he's ever seen."

The hosts discuss the chaos wrought by the fires, highlighting scenes of animals roaming the streets and cars abandoned as residents flee. They commend celebrities like Jennifer Tilly and Mario Lopez for their public posts about the evacuation efforts, emphasizing the collective devastation.

• Tamra Judge [04:12]: "Nurse Jamie's house burned down last night... it's also just thinking about not just losing all of your memories..."

Both hosts share their personal anxieties and the challenges faced during the evacuations, including power outages and school closures. Tamra reveals her distress over watching animals and cars scattered due to the fires, while Teddi mentions the emotional toll on their community.

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2. Effects on Podcast Production

The wildfires have a significant impact on Teddi and Tamra's ability to produce their podcast as usual. They explain the necessity of shifting to remote discussions to continue delivering their recaps amidst the turmoil.

• Teddi Mellencamp [08:49]: "We were supposed to meet on Friday to recap Traders in person, but obviously we cannot do that now... we're doing everything remote."

Despite the challenges, the hosts assure their audience that the podcast will carry on, with plans to recap shows like Salt Lake City and Diamonds in the Rough remotely.

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3. RHONY Recap: Drama Unfolds

Teddi and Tamra transition into their primary focus: recapping the latest RHONY episodes. The discussion centers around escalating tensions between cast members Bryn, Jessel, UBA, and Bren, highlighting a series of confrontations and backstabbing behaviors.

• Tamra Judge [15:07]: "That's a very low blow because she’s family pictures."
• Teddi Mellencamp [16:30]: "They're trying to make a TV show."

Key plot points include Bryn's accusations toward Jessel regarding personal relationships and Bren's criticisms of Jessel's lifestyle choices. The hosts express frustration over the manufactured drama, questioning the authenticity of the cast's interactions.

• Teddi Mellencamp [23:10]: "Their problem is, what I can see is they're trying to make a TV show."

They also touch upon Jessel's emotional struggles, including her parent's illness, and how it intertwines with the ongoing drama.

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4. RHOBH Recap: Personal Struggles and Relationships

Shifting focus to RHOBH, Teddi and Tamra discuss the personal lives and conflicts among the Beverly Hills cast members, particularly focusing on Dorit and Erica's tumultuous relationship.

• Tamra Judge [42:36]: "I don't know who she really is."
• Teddi Mellencamp [44:25]: "She's thrilled."

The hosts analyze Dorit's confrontations with PK and Kyle, exploring themes of loyalty, friendship, and personal growth. They also highlight Garcelle's emotional revelation about her relationship with her son Oliver, emphasizing the real-life challenges faced by the cast.

• Teddi Mellencamp [45:16]: "I couldn’t imagine as a mom... that had to just devastate her to not just take him in."

The discussion extends to recurring themes of communication breakdowns and the difficulty of maintaining genuine relationships under the scrutiny of reality TV.

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5. Personal Anecdotes and Social Media Challenges

Throughout the episode, Teddi and Tamra share personal anecdotes related to handling public perception, especially in the wake of crises like the LA wildfires. They discuss the backlash Tamra received regarding her parenting during the evacuation and Teddi's experiences with being labeled unfairly.

• Tamra Judge [12:26]: "I'm sorry... I've gotten so many messages saying, like, what the Teddy, why weren't you with your kids last night?"
• Teddi Mellencamp [13:16]: "There's part of me that's want to say screw those people... it's the most painful, hurtful thing anybody can say or do to a mother."

The hosts also delve into the challenges of maintaining authenticity on social media, expressing frustration with negativity and the pressure to present a perfect image.

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6. Upcoming Topics and Final Thoughts

As the episode draws to a close, Teddi and Tamra hint at future discussions, including recaps of upcoming shows like Traders and Salt Lake City. They express a commitment to navigating their podcast production remotely while continuing to provide insightful recaps for their listeners.

• Tamra Judge [70:39]: "We're gonna see some union. We didn’t see really much of Jennifer Tilly except long ponytail this episode."

The hosts wrap up with a lighthearted acknowledgment of the ongoing drama in the Real Housewives series and their dedication to keeping their audience engaged despite external challenges.

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Conclusion

This episode of Two Ts In A Pod offers a comprehensive and heartfelt recap of recent RHONY and RHOBH episodes, interspersed with personal reflections on real-life challenges faced by the hosts amidst the Los Angeles wildfires. Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge provide both entertainment and empathy, balancing the dramatic narratives of reality TV with genuine concern for their community and personal lives.

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Transcript

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[Tamara Judge]

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[Peter Tilden]

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[Teddy Mellencamp]

Hello. Hello.

[Tamara Judge]

Hello.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Hello.

[Tamara Judge]

Hi, Tam.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Hi.

[Tamara Judge]

So for everybody listening, it is kind of a. Well, thanks for tuning into two T's in a Pod. We'll amp up our energy in a second. But it's a pretty frightening time in Los Angeles right now.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

It is.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, it's heartbreaking. I mean, I think I watched 12 hours of news coverage yesterday. So many of our friends and loved ones losing their homes.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yes, a lot of people have lost their homes evacuated.

[Tamara Judge]

It's just I don't watching the animals run down the streets like, because people are just having to let them go because they can't get them out or even their cars.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

You see where they. A certain area where they parked their cars and just took off on foot. So they have a whole bunch of cars just lined up and nobody left Their keys.

[Tamara Judge]

I know Steve Gutenberg did an interview where he's like, I guess he lives in the Palisades area, so he's doing an interview, and he's like, guys, I know none of us are. I mean, this is just something I. I don't know if I would have even thought about. He's like, but if you get out to abandon your car, leave your keys in the car. Because what they're having to do is get bulldozers.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yes, I saw that.

[Tamara Judge]

And push the cars over to the side so people can get out. But I don't know if I was. If it was happening to me, if I would have thought, oh, leave the. You know, like, you're just thinking, let me get the out of here.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, yeah, but leave your keys in the car. Also, so many celebrities posting about the evacuation and just the complete devastation in Los Angeles. We've often heard about the fires in Malibu, which are so horrible. Pacific Palisades, if I'm correct. This is kind of a new situation. They've never had fires.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, Pacific palace area, Pacific Palisades, Altadena, which I didn't really know where Altadena was, but Pasadena. Yeah. So Altadena, now it's Sylmar.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

There's actually one up by you, too, in Encino.

[Tamara Judge]

Right, Woodley? But they just got kind of control over that one. We just, like, you know, you can download the app to see where they're coming from. And like, all of our kids, I mean, thank goodness, but like, all of our kids. Schools have been canceled because even if you're not being affected by the fires, there's so many power outages. So if I cut out during the pot, it's because, like, our lights are flickering. It's. I mean, the wind is.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, I mean, my.

[Tamara Judge]

My friend that lives down the street, there was a random trampoline in her backyard this morning.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, the winds are just horrible. Even in Orange county, we. Luckily, not that I know of, have any fires, but it's always our worst nightmare whenever the winds kick up like this. You know, we just went through this in Big Bear, you know, where the whole mountain has just been burned. But talked to one of my producers today for, you know, Orange county and his family home has been burned down. So many of his friends have lost their homes. It's just devastating. You see a lot of celebrities, too, are speaking out. Mark Hamill. Hamill called, displays the most horrific fire he's ever seen. Who? Heidi and Spencer. I know their house.

[Tamara Judge]

Lost their house.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

House. You saw like they did like a.

[Tamara Judge]

Baby cam video where it's a heart over their. Their. Yeah, their baby's crib.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. Yes. Oh, I know. Mario Lopez and his wife have posted they've been evacuated just so.

[Tamara Judge]

Thousands of people have in Nurse Jamie's house. So I'm sure a lot of you guys know who Nurse Jamie is. Her house burned down last night. I mean, it's also just thinking about not just losing all of, you know, your memories and all of those things, but it's also like, you know, whether you have kids or animals or whatever, maybe like just that unknown.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. And you got thousands of people that are being evacuated and then where do they go? And I've seen some people have posted, you know, places for people to go and take animals and things like that. I know Jennifer Tilly posted last night that she was evacuated. Just so many people. So many people. So I'm just praying that we're not going to get it in Orange county or back up on the mountain in Big Bear because it's just so hard to contain. And we haven't heard anything about this fire, have we, as far as how it started?

[Tamara Judge]

Well, I, I don't know because I, I mean, I heart. And KTLA posted about. I don't know if it was two or three days ago that the winds were going to be like in insane these next couple of days.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

So 50 miles per hour in some areas.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. So like we all kind of knew the wind was coming, which, you know.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

That'S our biggest nightmare. Living out here.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Living out here. Yeah. And. But just not being able to kind of contain it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

But it's just so devastating, so sad.

[Tamara Judge]

But we are sending everybody. Love it. Definitely. It's.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

What have you seen just in your general area. I know that you had sent me a picture this morning from Kyle's house and trees are blown down and obviously you're at home now. So you drove home. Is there like, what are the streets like? Is there, I mean, smoke?

[Tamara Judge]

It honestly feels like an apocalypse when you're driving. Like, there's no one on the roads. You know, a bunch of horses had to be evacuated from different locations and they're all being taken to either the. To La Quinta or different, you know, areas where there's big facilities. But the part that was really frightening is like there's these huge rigs or whatever, like mass, like massive trucks that are flipped over on the freeway because the wind is so high they can't even contain driving.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, geez.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. So, I mean, it all of it is a lot. And there's that moment where we're like, well, do we still come on and, like, talk shit in our podcast?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, it's kind of set things. It does. It does. We were supposed to meet on Friday to recap Traders in person, but obviously we cannot do that now. I believe the maybe I Heart office might be closed. Sophia had a tour. Another music school down in Hollywood. I canceled that. It's just.

[Tamara Judge]

And don't worry, guys, we're still going to have the twaty awards, but that's going to happen next year.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

We're going to postpone that.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, we feel like that, you know, we'll be here. Yeah, we'll still be here to recap, you know, Beverly Hills and New York. Right now. We'll end up doing Salt Lake City, and then we'll recap the first three episodes of Traders. I believe we're still doing Diamonds in the Rough, but we're doing everything remote. But some of those extras that you guys are going to get, you're going to get next week.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, no, I'm not familiar with Pacific Pads. Is it much like Malibu, where it's kind of hilly and hard to get into, or.

[Tamara Judge]

But the part that's frightening about that, it was not just, like, the houses, but then Pali High, which is one of the schools out there that a lot of the kids that we all know go to, it burnt down and, like, people were just having to, like, let their kids. All of it. It's.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

It's schools and churches and houses and neighborhoods and, like.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, and I have a Palisades.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I've never seen anything like this. Right?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Like, one of my besties, you know her, she went to go help some. Some animals and Topanga Canyon, and now we can't get a hold of her. Like, her. She's not answering the phone because.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Doesn't have any cell service.

[Tamara Judge]

Doesn't have any cell service. And my phone even keeps saying sos, which I don't really know.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Probably a lot of the cell towers out there are wiped out.

[Tamara Judge]

But. Yeah, but we're here. We're doing our job. And for those of you who are not in LA or California, like, this is something that's definitely hitting us hard, which is why we're going to start with New York recap. You know, we may as well.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

We might as well.

[Tamara Judge]

We may as well.

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[Teddy Mellencamp]

That's the opening.

[Tamara Judge]

Really?

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[Tamara Judge]

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[Tamara Judge]

I also want to say something and I'm sorry. And this is now making a personal comment. I've gotten so many messages saying, like, what the Teddy, why weren't you with your kids last night? And I just want to be very clear. Nesting is something that you do and there is a set skill schedule. And like, your words actually can hurt people. Like, I love my I tech. I talked to them a thousand times last night. I was here at 5:30 in the morning. The second that I'm able to be back, my kids are home from school today. They're downstairs. Like, for people to message those kind of things.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

There's part of me that's want to say screw those people. But I, I went through it myself. Um, you know, my ex labeled me as a monster mom that didn't take care of kids. But it never, you know, when we went to court about it, the judge threw it out and said, what are you doing? You know, And I got a lot of people and a lot of articles written like that. And it was the most painful, hurtful thing anybody can say or do to a mother.

[Tamara Judge]

Like, it's one. It's not a. This whole. It's not affecting our home right now.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

And it's not like there are so many people that are in the midst of the fires, but also, like, have.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

A little bit of like, compassion.

[Tamara Judge]

Compassion.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Like, it's already, unfortunately, social media has gotten so disgusting that the people that are the loudest are the ones that are the just blatantly mean they don't know you. They know anything about you, but all they want to do is get on there and say horrible things. I am so turned off by social.

[Tamara Judge]

Media and normally ignore it, but now I started just responding like one. You don't think that I was in constant contact with my kids and Edwin last night, like, quit. This is the way things go. Like, just stop, like it already. Regardless of whose fault is what or I believe there's a bunch of kid conversations that come up in New York, which also felt a little weird to me. But it starts out with Bryn reminds Psy and Aaron that last year Jessel called her ex boyfriend the love of her life rather than Pavett. Bren and Aaron think Jessel and Pavitt feel like friends. Psy doesn't like POV it after he called her a bitch and bipolar. I mean, that part I can kind of.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, that part I understand. But most of this is. It's pretty shady and it's pretty low. I mean, Jaisal's married to Pavett and they've been married for quite a while. And to say that I want to get in contact with the, you know, the love of her life that she had mentioned when she has kids and a husband, pretty. That's kind of low.

[Tamara Judge]

And also, she never said this on camera, correct?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

She did.

[Tamara Judge]

I miss it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I don't remember hearing that.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, they never showed us that. So that means Bryn is either taking a conversation that she had in confidence, AKA off camera, or they didn't show it, or they haven't shown it yet. But I think that's a low fucking blow because.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, it was a very low blow. And I think that Bryn, you know, I love her as a person. I've met her a few times, but it's the new norm is Bren talking shit and trying to steer the pot. And she's been very open and honest that that's what her position is this year. But it's maybe taken a little too far or it's, you know, come on, we need some authenticity in this show already, Girls. Like, it's not just about causing drama. Like, I think the realest part of the show is when Aaron broke down because both her parents have cancer.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, Uber, you know, granted, I don't think Uber was going out of her way to say that, but it just. All of it. But we'll. We'll get to that. But then Aaron, I mean, I can.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Deal with the shady stuff, like Brent talking about justice New teeth and her face and that kind of stuff. Like, okay, that's very catty housewife stuff for somebody that just got new teeth.

[Tamara Judge]

Somebody that probably will get them soon.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, you know, whatever. Be a hater because I. Because she looks better, like.

[Tamara Judge]

Aaron tells Brynn that Jessel is pissed at her after cutting her off in line for a photo shoot. Bryn thinks Jessel is the social climber.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

AKA that would mean the gallery shoot for the show.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, it could be a. I don't know if it was the gallery shoot for the show.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I think it was, considering the timing.

[Tamara Judge]

It was an event. They made it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, they kept saying photo shoot. It was for Bravo. Given the timing of this episode, which is at the end, that's when we normally do our gallery shoots and all that kind of stuff. And, you know, we're staggered. And she just.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't know, it almost kind of felt like she's the fan favorite and we need the fans to turn on her type energy. And. I don't know. I mean, to be honest, like, of course people change on these shows. That is what happens. But I. I personally.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

People change, you know, physically change? Is that what you're saying? Yes, it's. Oh, yeah, for sure.

[Tamara Judge]

And if.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I mean, speaking of that, you know, we're recapping old episodes of Orange county, and during our break, we released some that were filmed, like, last year and recorded last year. And people are sending me messages going, you do know that Lori's son passed away? You're talking about him in present tense. I just want you guys to know that we recorded those before he passed away.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, we did.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Then the women sit down for dinner. This I probably could have done without. If everybody's gonna give Aaron a hard time about showing Abe's penis. Everybody's seeing Jenna's straight pubes and then drawing it out.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I know that was funny, but why does she have a picture of them? Do you have pictures of your private parts on your phone? Please say no.

[Tamara Judge]

Of my vagina?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yes.

[Tamara Judge]

No. And I mean, either do I. I don't even. Granted.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Have you ever taken a mirror. Have you ever taken a mirror and go, oh, what's going on down there? You're like, whoa, whoa. No, I'm like, definitely don't use the magnetizing mirror.

[Tamara Judge]

But I. I have a couple questions for Jenna about this. Like, are you trimming? Are you.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

No, obviously not. Because they saw that it was long and it can be braided.

[Tamara Judge]

Like, do you think she has longer hair down there than our natural Hair without extensions, probably.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I'm not sure I can braid mine without the extension.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't think I could break. But all their drawings, like, killed me.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Like was dying and that it's silky. Maybe she does Brazil. Maybe she does a Brazilian blowout on her. That's what she does on her cooch.

[Tamara Judge]

But then, you know, they're talking about the pubes. We're doing that. Then Aaron brings up why Jessel was upset with Bren. Jessel tells Bren that she went in front of her without asking and it was all about the dog peeing and she has kids and. And then Bren tells Jessel she always hires photographers and is glammed. Jessel questions how this affects Bren.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, my God.

[Tamara Judge]

And I'm like, we already had this.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Storyline on who cares if she has pictures? I mean, it's a whole different story. If she's like taking selfies and face upping herself to Hollywood4 and posting it and she's so self absorbed, then I can be like, get over yourself. But that's not what's going on. Like she's family pictures.

[Tamara Judge]

No, no. Other people do that, right? Yeah, no, we don't know.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, but she's talking about like full on, like photographers taking pictures. Well, that's good. I wish I could do that. I just don't have the energy or time to do that.

[Tamara Judge]

I will say this. I'm not saying I'm glammed at my kids birthday parties, but I have had birthday parties where I have had a photographer there.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, I don't.

[Tamara Judge]

Because I want to be in the.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Moment moment and not have you take pictures. Have somebody else do it. I totally get that. I don't think what Jess is doing is anything bad. I think that Jess is feeling herself a little bit. You know, she's had a little bit of a glow up from last season and she's loving life and she's having a good time. I don't. There's no harm in any of that.

[Tamara Judge]

And I think she's, you know, she's making a little cheddar now and if she wants to spend it on glam and photographers, go for it. But then Aaron says Jessel was very upset after the shoot. And then Jessel tells Aaron to shut the up and Bren tells Aaron that Jessel and UBA don't like her. Well, first thing that I need to talk about is the fact that Jenna won't talk about her relationship on camera, but she'll share her pubes.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I was thinking the exact same Thing. The exact. I think that she probably feels like she has to do that. And I'm, I'm sure that she doesn't show her relationship. Not because she doesn't want to, but the other person doesn't want to be on camera.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Because so she's like, so what can I do? I can't show my personal life.

[Tamara Judge]

What can I do?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I, I show my straight pubes.

[Tamara Judge]

I, I, I, I can't show this. I already showed that. I didn't actually, but I'm gonna show. Then UBA asked Jessel if she should stay out of it. And Bren asks what UBA said because it's one of those moments. They recently had one on Beverly Hills too, where they're kind of like whispering within the table. Yeah, yeah. And, but what are you talking about? But here's what I'm. This is what's bothering me about New York. This whole thing, whether it's about UBA not giving anything or Bren fighting with her or the Jessel not saying it out loud, I feel like they're all trying to produce each other to make a better television show.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

They're trying. Their problem is, what I can see is they're trying to make a TV show.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And that's where it goes wrong. You just have to be yourself. I'm not saying it's the easiest thing in the world, like, to go on camera and just be normal, but that's what makes good tv. Not trying to make good tv because they're guilty of it. But it's just the entire cast.

[Tamara Judge]

But also they're all talking about it. Like, I mean, the fact that Bryn's like, you're boring me right now. You're boring me. She's not saying that because they're all sitting at dinner and Uba's boring her. She's saying it like, bring it, Uba. Or like, this show isn't gonna do well. But then Uber brings in kind of all the wrong ways.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

All the wrong ways?

[Tamara Judge]

Yes. Then uba, Then they start. Then we get to the car. UBA questions a bunch of things. She says she doesn't care if they all die. Then.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

That was a little harsh.

[Tamara Judge]

That was a little much. And then Bryn questions why she's there, and UBA says it's none of her business and to go herself. And then Uba says she got this job for being herself. And maybe Bren slept with someone to get this job.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

That pissed Bren off immediately.

[Tamara Judge]

Immediately.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Wasn't something said on Jeff Lewis that he felt like Bren sleep sleeps with somebody to get ahead and she lost her on him. So that's obviously a, a button. She doesn't like to be pulled, pushed for whatever reason. She, I guess maybe she works hard.

[Tamara Judge]

She's a beautiful woman. Clearly like flirting is like her, her thing but you don't. Nobody wants to hear that you got this job because you are on.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

You slept.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

You slept with somebody. I was gonna say like Teddy did you know you can sleep with someone to get back to get on the show. So I mean, where should we start? Alex, Luke, Andy, Kendall? I can hook it up.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, I feel like it's going to be a little tough since.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I.

[Tamara Judge]

Don'T know, I don't have straight pubes.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I was going to say, but there's only one person I mentioned. So also that's another issue.

[Tamara Judge]

But then Bren tells UBA to stop and she's a six foot toddler. Aaron thinks Bren is pushing Uba's buttons, knowing she'll get upset. But Bren trying to call somebody else a toddler as if she hasn't acted like a hormonal, horny teenager all season is slightly confusing Last season too.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I think that Bren's just trying a little bit too hard. I appreciate her desire to make good TV and to move storyline, but she's missing the mark. It's. It's too obvious when you. Somebody doesn't. It's too obvious. Yeah, it's not good.

[Tamara Judge]

Do you like more, do you like Bren more in her confessionals or in confessionals?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, I like her in her confessions. I think she's great. I think that she was great last year. I think this year I think she's trying to do the most and I think if she's back next year, I.

[Tamara Judge]

Think she's going to be back.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

She's going to learn from it and she's going to be like, okay, I can't do that.

[Tamara Judge]

Then. Then the women get ready for bed and Jessel and Aaron make up and agree to move forward. Aaron tells Jessel that Bren told her she doesn't like her. Jessel tells Aaron she hasn't said anything like that to Bren. I kind of didn't really understand why Bren needed to say that to Aaron. Like, these people don't like you.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. But the problem is, is that, you know, later on we'll probably hear, oh, I just made it up.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't think she's going to say she made it up. And I think, I think you can see when somebody is on the verge and Aaron is on the verge, like she's holding in the tears every single second. I think especially when somebody says like things like shut up, shut up, shut up. Like something else is going on with them. And like to say, these people just don't even like you. I, I don't know. I thought it. And supposedly their best friends. I was like, that's not the greatest thing to say. Let you know, Aaron come to her own.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

But I did you catch when Jess. And maybe this is a thing. I just didn't know it. She's all, I'm going to extend an olive leaf. Not a branch. Not the whole branch. Just the leaf.

[Tamara Judge]

Just the leaf. Do you think she said that on purpose?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I don't know. I think she maybe just got confused that it was an olive branch. I don't know. At this point, I don't really care what any of them are fighting over. I'm having a hard time because it's production remembering what they're fighting over or caring or like, what are you guys doing?

[Tamara Judge]

Like, no, like, be friends. Be friends.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

It's just too manufactured for me.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Then Ubun Sai drink coffee outside. The next morning, Uber tells Sai it's wrong that Bren came after Jessel. And then Sai tells UBA what Bren said about Jessel changing so much. And then Uber tells Sai she needs to tell Jessel what Bren said. This moment I liked where size. Like, you know what? I'm happy that UBA checked me. I should say it to her face. But in that same moment, UBA and Sy were talking shit about people behind their backs.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

They were, they were really bad. I mean, this entire season is kind of a game of telephone just for the sake of, the sake of starting drama. And nothing really is actually going on. So a lot of this stuff they're saying is, is like I didn't hear her say that or what are you talking about? It's all stuff that maybe was off camera or stuff that saw.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, I think we're just making it. During that like five month break. Clearly a lot happened.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, I mean, uba, I, I, I really like her. I think that she, she went a little overboard in this episode for sure with things that she said. But when she said a line, a lion doesn't worry about what a chihuahua is thinking. I thought, where, where'd she even get that?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, I mean, I, I feel like when Bren was pushing at uba, like saying she was boring, I would imagine it's because something is happening where people are saying UBA isn't giving. You know, then they all sit down for breakfast. UBA says that last year before once again, Bravo Con, like, it's all breaking.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

The fourth wall in every single episode.

[Tamara Judge]

They have to. They have nothing else.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

But it's not breaking the fourth wall in a good way. It's just trying to be able to explain things.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. So UBA says that last year before Bravo Con, Bryn was having a hard time with her family, and she helped her through it. Another thing that we never heard about. And now UBA says, you can't stop. And so then she's trying to explain it. She's sitting next to Aaron, and then she goes, you just, you know, you can't stop your mom from dying. You can't stop cancer, and things in life are inevitable. UBA apologizes. But like, of all the things you can make analogies about, UBA bringing up.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Cancer and saying there's nothing you can do about it is 100% tone deaf on UBA side. But.

[Tamara Judge]

But even I don't.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

But I don't think UBA meant it in a way that she was trying to hurt Aaron. I just think it was just. She just put her foot in her mouth.

[Tamara Judge]

Because you can't stop yourself from.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

You can't control things out of your, you know.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. I mean, out of your control. She. Yeah, she did not need to go. And. But then the part that I also.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Think there's some kind of jealousy between UBA and Brennan.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't know. I don't actually really know.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Wait, remind me, isn't there two people on the cast that get into a huge fight?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, those two is.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

It's some two. Right. There's something going on. They don't like each other.

[Tamara Judge]

No. But also the problem is because this fight, which I think is really about making a television show, is so much like we're not seeing. I mean, I think Raquel said eight words. I know Rebecca Minkoff said three words.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Three words. Yeah. But back to the. The UBE and the Brent. Knowing UBA tried to help Bren, obviously off camera, where we didn't see it, makes the way Bren treating UBA is even worse. The way she's treating her now is even worse. When she did come to try to help her, and just because it wasn't on camera, she figured, huh, Nobody knows.

[Tamara Judge]

No, but I actually want to know. Then how did you help her? What did you do? Because when you said, I offered to send a car for you to the airport, like I. To be honest.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, I think it was more of her giving her a call and I guess she was having problems with her family. They didn't really say what it was. And it was right before Bravo Con, and then she had to go to Bravo Con upset. And UBA said she was just there for her emotionally. But I don't know, it just made me think, like, the way Bren is treating uba, it just seemed made it worse to me.

[Tamara Judge]

But even the way that UBA kind of apologized to Aaron after she did it, I still don't know if UBA understood what she actually did to Aaron because she, like, went in the room and then she's like, do you want to sleep with me tonight? And baby, I was like, no, no, no. Now, then Psy tells Jessel that Bren said she has changed over the past year. Always needing photographers and glam. I don't give a fuck about this. I don't.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Jessel says she has not changed as a person and all that stuff comes with the territory. Then Jessel questions Bren on how she's changed as a person. Bren says she hates glam and photo shoots and it's why she feels closer to Aaron.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

But stop. Then we find out that Bryn brought her agent to a birthday party.

[Tamara Judge]

But also, like, all of these fights about their relationship to the show rather than their actual relationships. Like, let's not pretend that every single housewife doesn't change a little after their first season.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, absolutely.

[Tamara Judge]

When publicity comes and they see them.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Like, oh, God, my hair and my. I need glam and all that stuff. I mean, I'm the same. I hate hearing makeup, I hate photographers and pictures and red carpets, and it's just not my thing. That's why I'm close with you, Teddy.

[Tamara Judge]

But that being said, like, some people love it. No, that being said, the second that, you know, somebody says to us, hey, Teddy and Tam, will you do this for, you know, this amount of money, or Teddy and Tamara, yeah, we're going to do it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

You do things. It's. But what I'm saying, it's not my thing. I don't. I usually decline every red carpet like old Tam. I just don't. I just. I don't know. I don't find joy out of it sometimes. I mean, if we were nominated for something and we had to do a red carpet. Yeah, there's. It's. I don't know, maybe I'd be joyful there, but I'm. It's just not my thing.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, like, it really depends. I want to go to places where there's red carpet or do whatever if it's to support something I'm passionate about or something for my kids.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

But I always get nervous and insecure, like being on the red carpet answering questions. I tend to always put my foot in my mouth.

[Tamara Judge]

No, not you, Tammy.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Not me. I know, I know.

[Tamara Judge]

But then the women go to the beach. This is Raquel's favorite beach from her childhood. And UBA says the water is disgusting and it's full of dead pigeons. We're back to the fucking pigeons.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Pigeons. Oh, my God. They should just hold pigeons this season.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, then Raquel says it's rude and obnoxious.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I don't really think it was. Problem is her message. I think it's her delivery.

[Tamara Judge]

But I think Uber is smart, so I don't think. I'm sorry. And Chanel, I love you. I'm seeing you next week. Don't get mad at me. But, like, I think Uber is more calculated than she's letting on.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Maybe.

[Tamara Judge]

Like, if. I mean, let.

[Jason Alexander]

Let.

[Tamara Judge]

Let's be really clear. If I was going to come for somebody, I wouldn't be coming for Naomi Campbell and Gisele Bundchen. And then we get into next week of New York. I didn't hate this episode. I just don't like that it's constantly about production.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, well, I think they're almost done.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, then we'll see the real blowout. All right, let's take a quick break, and then let's get into Beverly Hills.

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[Tamara Judge]

Okay, so now we are back and we're talking about Beverly Hills, which I have to admit, I mean, granted, there was a lot going on yesterday in the world of Los Angeles. Beverly Hills took me a long time to watch because it was boring.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, it was a little bit of a filler episode.

[Tamara Judge]

It starts off with Bose's boyfriend Keely surprising her with a beach picnic. She asks Keely if he is dating for marriage and he says that is his only reason.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, finally we're getting to see a peek into Bose's personal life, which is good. And he seemed like a really nice guy. And you saw a different. You always see this boss bitch side of her and you kind of saw like a softer side and like she was.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't know that I saw a softer side.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Really.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm about to wear the pants in this relationship too. Like, are you going to marry me or not? What's up?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I thought it was a good question to ask. Like, are you dating for marriage or are you just a player? You know, but do you consider a long distance relationship San Diego and la, like from San Diego to Los Angeles?

[Tamara Judge]

I did. I would if I had, you know, if I would. Having kids. If you didn't have kids, Like, I think. How old is her child?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

She's older.

[Tamara Judge]

No, I think she's still in school.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, she's still in school, but she's like, she's not little. She's like, she's probably in high school.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, I think if you don't have any kids that are under 18, it wouldn't be considered long distance. But if they're under a long distance.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Like a different state, like, so you have to drive an hour and a half. Well, whatever.

[Tamara Judge]

You can fly to Vegas in less time than you could drive to San Diego from Los Angeles.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

You could also fly to San Diego from Los Angeles. There's this airport in San Diego.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't know about that. Tim. Can someone confirm or deny that you can fly from Los Angeles to San Diego?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I don't know, I just.

[Tamara Judge]

You can take a train, but, like, I don't think you could fly.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

The train takes forever. I made that mistake.

[Tamara Judge]

Her daughter's 15, so that's why it's not like she can just zip to San Diego on a Wednesday.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Shouldn't have to he can high tell it up to la.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, what does he do for a living? Do we know?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

We don't know. Teddy. We just met him. Well, just met him.

[Tamara Judge]

I hate to say it. Who's giving me vibes of what?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Who? Tell me. Spit it out. JP or what's his name? No, there's too many abbreviations. What's his name? P.K. no, PKJP. D.J. what's the guy's name? On Potomac.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

A.J. no, what's his name?

[Tamara Judge]

I don't remember his name, but T.J. it's both of our initials. Teddy Jo and Tamara Judge. Remember it?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

No.

[Tamara Judge]

It's, like, kind of giving me that a little.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, don't say that. I did not get it, but I don't know. We'll see. Maybe next time I might pick up on that.

[Tamara Judge]

I. I don't know. I just. It was kind of like a. And I don't know. My lady. My lady boner went.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

No, no, I don't. I didn't get that with him. Definitely with TJ well, then we get.

[Tamara Judge]

To Dorit telling Erica she's not in the place yet where she is totally done with PK Erica says she can't slam the door on his face while he is sober. And then Erica tells Dorit she was on fire the night before. They do, like, the flashbacks of the Camille cunt stuff. And then Dorit says she has been too forgiving for too long and has allowed people to mistake her kindness for weakness. Erica says Sutton has mistreated her. Kyle and now Dorit are at the lowest point of their lives.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I was really shocked the production did not roll the flashbacks. When Erica listed all the people Sutton has mistreated, I was too.

[Tamara Judge]

But I also wouldn't necessarily categorize Dorit as forgiving. But you know what? We'll go.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

You know, I know that social media is absolutely loving Dorit right now. Loving her. She could do no wrong. I'm like, oh, my God, if I do that, what she's doing. You're so mean. How can you do that? Leave Kyle alone. It's just crazy to me.

[Tamara Judge]

It's not even the Kyle stuff. It's the PK Stuff.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, that's what I was gonna say. I'm a little bit confused with Dorit. It seems like a little bit of acting.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, here's I. We have to go back to, like, first season Dorit, and this is very, like, on.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I'm trying. I can't remember what she was like first season sim.

[Tamara Judge]

Similar to this, but she so you're.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Saying this is who she really is?

[Tamara Judge]

I don't know. I actually don't really know who she really is.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I mean, she's making great tv. I'm not going to disagree with that.

[Tamara Judge]

But I. What I am seeing is I. I feel like the things that she's sharing and I'm going to get hell for this, I'm sure. But I feel like some of the things that she's sharing about pk, especially when we have seen, like, such, like the. We're the best of friends. It's the love of the lot. Like, now it's such a. Like, a huge, drastic change. And she is saying, you know, I'm not telling our kids. I'm not telling, but, like, I'm happy to tell every single person on television.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

That he's an alcoholic.

[Tamara Judge]

Well. And that he's unpredictable and that she can't trust him.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

You know, I think that we saw recently that PK spoke out on Brava's hot mic podcast with Alex Baskin. And, yeah, he's saying he's disappointed that she would do that because that is not what is going on.

[Tamara Judge]

Do you think TK Is going to be at the reunion?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I think he might be. I mean, if they bring the guys on. I mean, is there any guys to bring on? Nobody's married.

[Tamara Judge]

Keely. I don't know.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Maybe not. Maybe not.

[Tamara Judge]

Maybe Keely's available, and maybe he needs some money.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Maybe he needs the money.

[Tamara Judge]

I. I don't know. I don't know. But then Garcelle opens up about her.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

But you know who is loving this? Erica is loving this old school Dorit.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, yeah. She's thrilled.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

She's thrilled. After seasons of Erica taking hits from all sides, she can finally sit back and just enjoy Dorit doing the Lord's work. And she could just be like, yes. Huh?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, bring it up.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

She's on vacation from her. You know how she's been last season. She's just. She's the peacekeeper. She's having her redemption year, and she's. She's loving it.

[Tamara Judge]

Then Garcelle opens up about her rocky relationship with her son Oliver over the years. She says she had to practice tough love when he was homeless in a bad place. And then years ago, she saw Oliver, and he wasn't himself trying to get into her pool house. She watched him walk away and didn't take him in.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

That's hard. That's very, very hard. I couldn't imagine. I know it's something that she had to do, but As a mother, that had to just devastate her to not just take him in. I mean, I will tell you, I. I'm glad that Oliver is doing better. He looks better. It was very heartwarming. But I met him at BravoCon, at Lisa Vanderpump's restaurant, which he works at, and he was so kind.

[Tamara Judge]

No, he's a nice guy. He's a totally nice guy. And the fact that he's comfortable sharing all of the. Having his mom. I know this is pretty big.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

You always want to see your kids happy and doing their best, but I couldn't imagine as a mom. And I'm sure you can. You. You as well, to know that your kid is homeless and in your backyard, in your pool house. And to send him away has got to be the hardest thing you could ever possibly do. And that needed to be done. Because, look, he's in a great place now.

[Tamara Judge]

I have a question, and maybe I'm losing my mind. Are Garcelle's smaller, younger sons not on this season? So far?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I don't know if we've seen them. One. One son is modeling one's model. Oh, the one's modeling. So we did see him. And then I think we haven't seen the other one yet. I mean, they're not that far into the season, so. Right.

[Tamara Judge]

But I will be because of what happened, you know, before. And then Jax hasn't filmed, and I'm. I'm assuming it's because of the bots.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Maybe. Or maybe he's just busy. You know, kids at that age, they don't want to.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, actually, no. She confirmed that he's no longer filming.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, like, it's kind of like for my son, Spencer. He, you know, turned 18 and he filmed once and he's like, this just isn't for me, mom. I'm more of a private person. I don't want people to know everything about me and I don't want to be recognized and all that when I go out. And so I'm like, no problem.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. And then Bose goes over to Dorit's house. Dorit says she and PK had a four hour long therapy session. PK went into therapy, coming to battle. He said, this is why I want a divorce. I don't want to be married to this woman. And stormed out. Dream.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I have a feeling she probably didn't shut the fuck up. You know how she's so long winded? So that's why it lasted four hours. Three could talk paint off of a wall.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, she walked out and thought she needed to prepare for every scenario. I think that couples therapy or co parenting therapy or any of these therapies can be very hard because you're having to have those conversations that clearly you didn't have or you probably wouldn't be in this place in the first place. Like, and I'm saying this from, you know, I personally don't love the feeling of, like, confrontation. And probably if I would have said things right when I felt them instead of holding them in, I would probably be in a better place. And multiple. Like, not. I'm not talking just about my marriage in any relationship, but I kind of wait until, like, I develop, like a callus and then I'm like, oh, I'm like that too.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I keep quiet.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, you keep it in.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And until you.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, but.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, you know, I think Bose is the perfect friend for Dorit. Perfect. She's just the perfect audience. She's just silent and she likes to listen. She's a listener.

[Tamara Judge]

But then Bose. I love this part. Bose doesn't get why Kyle invited Camille. I'm like, by Kyle, you mean evolution.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Like, she's. Excuse me. She's not close with her, right, Kyle? They're not.

[Tamara Judge]

No one's close with Camille.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Now for the love.

[Tamara Judge]

Let's be honest. No one's close with Camille except for Kimber. Kimber comes with her to every member. She came to Andy's baby shower. Kimber is always the one. She was married to that guy. Like the big 80s. Whatever. Oh, my God. Hold on. I realize my. My train of thought is popping off right now, but did you see that Garcelle has made out with Johnny Depp? Did you see that on the Gram?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, well, she.

[Tamara Judge]

She.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

She talked about it on this episode.

[Tamara Judge]

I didn't hear her say Johnny Depp. I heard other people, but I didn't hear Johnny Depp.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, she was talking about the Viper Room, and she. I think that's when she said. And how long ago was that? 30 years ago.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't know. But my parents met at the Rainbow Room, which is right next door.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, did they? I've never been to either one.

[Tamara Judge]

I've been to both, and I'm actually going to some tonight.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

You're probably. You're probably conceived in one of them.

[Tamara Judge]

I probably was at, you know, the Rainbow Room. It all makes sense. But Dorit says Kyle not only invited Camille, but she didn't tell her she was going to be there. Yeah, I don't. Do you think I'm. I'm not trying to be biased. But if I'm having a party, do I need to tell you who's all going?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Only if it's somebody that I can't stand, probably.

[Tamara Judge]

But I have a question.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Somebody that's.

[Tamara Judge]

Anyone that you can't stand? That I can't stand. Like, is there anybody. We're pretty on the same page with that.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. And you know, if somebody. If I was having a party and I invited you and there's somebody that you couldn't stand or couldn't be around, I would tell you. Or probably wouldn't.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, no, I mean, like I told you that Jen Pedranti DM to me and I wrote her back.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Of course she does.

[Tamara Judge]

No, but like I told you, like, I. There's no. I wasn't shit talking, Jen. I wasn't like all of it. I just. I'm an. It didn't. Was it just a few.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

A month ago she was going off on you and Erica or something. She's gonna.

[Tamara Judge]

But, I mean, that's what.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

That's what I do. I'm the devil. But everybody else.

[Tamara Judge]

You, Emily, she wasn't talking about you, for the record. She just said something nice. But like, I'm gonna tell you because you're my. You're my person. Yeah. Very calculated. Very calculated. But then I. Everyone's gonna get upset. I don't think Kyle invited Camille to ambush Dorit. I just think Kyle invited Camille to get her off Twitter and give her something to do.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I didn't. I. I didn't see it that way either. I don't. I didn't know that. I mean, we all work together and we're not best of friends and they bring in old housewives and. Doesn't mean you have a great relationship with them. But I didn't see it as she brought her in to go after her. I was actually kind of shocked that Camille did that at the table.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm not shocked. Camille will do.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I am. I would have never done that. Whenever. You have to pay me a lot of money to do that.

[Tamara Judge]

Camille's happy with her 2500 to show up and be a mess and have her friend Kimber sitting by the side like this. But anyway, then we get. Erica has Martin Lawrence blog.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

How do I know him?

[Tamara Judge]

I don't know. I knew him too, but then I.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Knew him and I'm like, how do I know him?

[Tamara Judge]

I was wondering if maybe we knew him and this isn't Shade. I just really thought that. Was he on the Anna Nicole Show?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I just feel like I just know him. I felt like he was like, is he a fashion designer?

[Tamara Judge]

Like, well, I don't know, but Martin says her bedroom should be a sexy sanctuary.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I agree, too. I, I, she, she needs to spice it up a lot.

[Tamara Judge]

I think she's pretty spicy in general, so.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, I know, but I'm just shocked. I don't think she's put that much effort or time into decorating.

[Tamara Judge]

I think it takes a minute to, like, realize life is. Well, I don't know. It's not like I've spruced up my room in the attic at Kyle's.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Like, it's, it's only been a month. I don't, I'm just one that, like, I just sit and stare at the walls and I'm like, what can I do next? What can I do?

[Tamara Judge]

No, as long as things are clean, that's all I care about.

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[Teddy Mellencamp]

That's the opening.

[Tamara Judge]

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[Tamara Judge]

Then Dorit facetimes Erica and says she knew Kyle and PK used to speak often. She asks Erica if she knows anything, and Erica says she does not. Dorit says PK is the type of person who wants to know every detail about her life when she knows nothing about him.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

For the record, I don't like it when Eddie's friends text me.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, Erica in that moment was absolutely like. She was like, oh, this is the One part I can get in the middle of, but I don't. I don't mind.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Like, I don't like it. I don't like it. It's. It's different if it's done through a DM Instagram or something like that.

[Tamara Judge]

But we don't know. It could have been done.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

They're texting. That's what I'm saying. But they're texting. Like, we see a meme on Instagram, and then you. You send them. Like, I. One of Eddie's friends, Johnny, who I know very well, he will every once in a while send me a meme or something like that. Whatever. I don't care about that. But if somebody's going out of their way to text me, like, one of my husband's friends, guys, I always add.

[Tamara Judge]

The significance on the. On the text, but I think they're memes. Like, I do. Truthfully, as someone who stayed at Kyle's.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

House, by the way, I do everybody out there don't send me memes. It is the most annoying thing ever.

[Tamara Judge]

Everybody out there send me memes. Oh, I. I love it. Like, that is my love language. But if you send me memes, I'm not interested. But also, I don't appreciate you Instagram for, like, deciding what types of memes you want to send me. Like, I don't need to see, like, narcissism memes or videos. Like, I. I don't want it. Oh, now you're gonna get it because I said it in your phone.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Probably, Probably. But did you catch Erica saying tonight is the perfect night for you to ask Kyle?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, she's like.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

She was low key, trying to stir some shit, and then when she does ask her, she's like, oh, this is happening.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, no, it's perfect because she's like, great. That means they're going to air my performance because there's going to be an argument that night. I mean, that was brilliant.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Make sure you confront Kyle tonight when I'm performing, but not while I'm on stage. Make sure you wait until after.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Then Kyle and they. They show Kesha, who, for the record, I love Kesha. She is so, like, laid back and chill and cool and.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And she live in la.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, she does, but Kyle says she met Kesra on Instagram, and then Kesha is coming to the Viper Room with Kyle, and Kyle says, yes, Kesha is a musician and we are friends. Let the rumors begin. Yeah. And then Sutton tells Bose that she didn't like Bo saying the word weaponized At Kyle's party, Bo says she meant that Sutton has taken something and fashioned it into a way to hurt somebody else. Sutton says it wasn't to hurt Dorit. Sutton says if Bose put half the energy into their relationship as she has with Dorit, she would understand her point of view. Bo says there is a side of Sutton that is appearing. She is either Delulu or calculated, mean. Bo, speaking from personal experience, I think Sutton can be all of the above.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Will the real Slim Sutton stand up?

[Tamara Judge]

I can't camp.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

When she said that reminds me of somebody that might be on my show too.

[Tamara Judge]

I. I think the thing. This is the thing that really bothers me about people. People that aren't great people but pretend to be great people. Just, like, be a. Whatever person.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yes.

[Tamara Judge]

Like, the majority of us, like, you don't have to go. But what?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Also, Sutton, you're not the victim here. You know, she's comparing her bows, being friendly with Dorit. Dorit's not saying anything to Bose to make her dislike Sutton, but Sutton is definitely doing all the work to make Bose not like her.

[Tamara Judge]

But I also think that. Here's the problem. I think that the issue that I have was even the conversation with Bose and Sutton talking at the bar where Sutton's not really making sense. And then she's like, Bose, like, you're so good with, like, the big words. And, like, I'm working on it. And meanwhile, she's, like, kind of half slurring, and all of it is. I. I don't know. I. I didn't really like it that much.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Let's talk about dominoes. Domino's. Is that what she was saying? Dominoes in her song?

[Tamara Judge]

I think so. Everyone felt the need to kind of shade it in their confessionals, but then tell her how great it was in real life, which is. I don't really like.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

How was it? Jennifer Tilly, she's like, well, it's not the best lyrics, but, yeah, they're catchy.

[Tamara Judge]

Listen, you're performing at the Viper Room. It's being filmed on a television show. Um, yeah. I mean, it's more than we can say.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

No one would even pay us to sing. Like, hi.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Nobody would pay me to do any performance. I can't even, like, take the time to do, like, my workouts and film them for Instagram.

[Tamara Judge]

You mean I look at straps?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

No. No, I don't. I have clothes on when I work out, and I'm a mess when I work out. Like, I wake up in the morning, I have no makeup on. I'VE had on. I have. I look like a boy with my hair slicked back in a ponytail. And, you know, I always think, oh, I'm going to post my workouts, you know, lifting weights. And I never do because I'm so awkward and look horrible. I see these.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm awkward too, but I just have to. I mean, it's part of my, like, business and my everything. So I do it. And then people are like thirst traps. And I'm like, well, if you're interested.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, it depends on how they're done.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, anyway, Erica performs her song Dominoes at the Viper Room. And Dorit says Erica on stage gives her inspiration that there is a light at the end of the tunnel. Dorit saying that that dress is vintage when that's the dress that she made fun of me in at BravoCon for being the worst dressed housewife.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I. That's what I thought. That's the same dress. Maybe different color.

[Tamara Judge]

Right, different color. And then the shady editors showing the cocktail waitress in the same dress had me dead.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

It's not, it's. I mean, it's not vintage.

[Tamara Judge]

Vintage meaning four years ago that Teddy wore it. Sure.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Right off a revolve.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Like, can we say vintage? If it's more than a year old, I'm gonna be like, I don't think so.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

But also Denise Richardson.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, everyone's worn that dress. Even Dorinda has worn that dress.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, everybody. A lot of people have worn that dress.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm surprised she would wear that dress. And if it is a vintage version, it still looks like all the others, so who cares? It's like our fake Gucci sunglasses from Amazon.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Those aren't fake Gucci's. Those are just dupes. There's a difference between saying Gucci on it and something being similar.

[Tamara Judge]

Tamra, the red and green.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, but they don't say Gucci on them.

[Tamara Judge]

I know, but they're implying that they're Gucci.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, no, there's. There's dupes on a lot of things. You can get uggs that are dupes, but if it's. They're fake and they say like Gucci or ugg on them, just why do.

[Tamara Judge]

You need to say vintage? We've all seen the dress 1000 times for the love. Then Dorit tells Kyle that PK is in a state of mind and she is on high alert. She asked Kyle if she is speaking to him or has. Kyle says her friendship with PK is just memes and jokes. Kyle says if Dorit and PK get to A point where they don't get along. Kyle would side with her. Dorit says if the tables were turned, Kyle would not be okay with it. Do you agree with Dorit? Here? Watch what happens live. Erica says she believes it's just memes Kyle and PK are sending to each other. Audience says it seems 71% inappropriate that Kyle text PK. They are also 66% under each side against Kyle.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, I, Yeah, I wouldn't like it. I would.

[Tamara Judge]

So I have a question.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Could you imagine me and Edwin sending Instagram or memes or whatever back and forth? I don't know. I just. And what are these? What are the memes about?

[Tamara Judge]

I'm in a different situation. Like, two weeks ago, Edwin and my bestie Latal, like, our kids are all friends, and she was taking the kids to the movies, and we're all on a group text, and she said, we're going to this movie, and it was not my day with them. And then he side texted her and was like, oh, can I meet you guys at the movies?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

She told me about it. That's something. That's something to do with the kids. That, that's something way different that does not compare. Does not compare.

[Tamara Judge]

I, But I, I don't know. I, I, I think there's a difference if you're talking shit. But, like, I, I don't know. I, I personally don't care, but I also am the person that said I wouldn't care if I was Abe and Aaron showed the penis. Like, I, I'm. We stuff. Like, I'm. Whatever.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

You don't like talking about sex. I do.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. Most people would not be okay with it.

[Tamara Judge]

And I'm not saying this to side with Kyle. I'm just saying this in general. I would rather. No, I'm serious. I would rather the people in my life still get along with my children.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Don't want any of Eddie's friends sending me private text messages. I don't.

[Tamara Judge]

Text messages and memes are different.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Text memes over text message, if you want.

[Tamara Judge]

Eddie sometimes sends me these.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

For what?

[Tamara Judge]

No, like, as a response on things.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I've posted on Instagram. That's different.

[Tamara Judge]

That's what I. But we don't. You think he's tech who texts the.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

He hasn't. She hasn't said. It's not text, it's Instagram.

[Tamara Judge]

I can say this. I wish at this point, Kyle would have pulled out her phone and.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, Kyle also said that. That PK's been a better friend to her. Thank you.

[Tamara Judge]

That Wasn't great.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah, but.

[Tamara Judge]

So I don't know.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

It just leads me to believe that they've been texting back and forth. Whatever. I'm sure it's nothing. No big deal. I don't see Kyle running off with pk, but. No, I don't see that happening.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, I gotta be honest. PK's texted me. It wasn't anything inappropriate, though. It was just one little text I was saying what it was the day I did that embarrassing video where I was acting like I was Bridget Jones Diary.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Don't remember that one. Probably got one out of my head. Oh, recently. Oh, yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

And he just wrote like, yeah, it can be hard, but it gets better. You know?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Like, yeah, and.

[Tamara Judge]

And I wrote back, you know, that's the thing to f. You know, let.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Us know if he keeps sending you memes. No, it wasn't.

[Tamara Judge]

But I responded like, yeah, this. This sucks. Like, but here's the thing.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Bad about Dorit. Nothing is going on between Kyle and pk.

[Tamara Judge]

I can also tell you I don't think PK was flirting with me or I was flirting with pk. And we didn't say anything about Dorit. You see what I'm saying? Like, at some point, like, you just have a common of some kind of message that you.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Let's move on.

[Tamara Judge]

Off.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Move on.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, then Sutton tells Dorit she can't shield her children forever. Sutton says they had this conversation on the boat about Dorit leaning on Sutton. Dorit questions how she can believe that. Sutton asks what she has done to her. Erica chimes in and says Sutton made her feel low at Kyle's party. The sisterhood and the honesty is all bullshit. Sutton says she'll be cordial with Dorit, but they aren't friends. Watch what happens. Live audience is 76% on dorit side against Sutton. Cordial is housewives speak for I hate you, but I'll still film with you to keep this job.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah. I mean, people are riding hard for.

[Tamara Judge]

Dorit right now because they're desperate for entertainment.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, we can't go by overnights anymore. But we can compare it to what else is going on.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, we can compare it to.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

If it's like 200, 000, then we're like, oh, okay. Bye. Bye.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, it's the highest rated. It's the highest rated. But what is the. What are the actual numbers? Give it to us if it's six.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Or seven or something like that.

[Tamara Judge]

You know, when our producers are. Yeah, number one on Peacock. Yeah. So is me going Housewives and Vicki. Why does that have to play every time I go to watch flashbacks?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Oh, yeah, yeah, I know.

[Tamara Judge]

I hate myself every time I see it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I thought it was good.

[Tamara Judge]

Beau said when she heard Kyle talks to pk, she felt it was breaking girl code. Kyle says if it bothers Dorit, she doesn't need to do it. Kyle says in her confessional that PK is a better friend. Kyle says she is done doing this with Doritos. She calls Dorit bitter. Kyle asked dorit, I will stop talking to pk. What more do you want from me? And Dorit says, I want you to stop raising your voice at me. And then Bose's name. Well, then we hear a glass break.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Who do we think broke the glass?

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I don't know. Who do you think?

[Tamara Judge]

I think someone just stood up and their body hit it over. Oh, I don't imagine they were like Jerry.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, to be continued. So we will find out.

[Tamara Judge]

But I feel like I want to kind of understand the Dorit and Bo's friendship a little bit more because it kind of feels like she's Dorit's speaker. Like she's her actual Bose speaker.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Her actual.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm like tj God.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well, I, too, am living for unhinged street.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

What are we on episode 5, 6? What is it? We got a ways to go.

[Tamara Judge]

We got a ways to go. We're gonna see some union. We didn't see really much of Jennifer Tilly except long ponytail this episode.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

So, yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

All right, guys, keep tuning in. We'll be back. We'll keep talking about all the things. We've got traders coming up. We've got Salt Lake City. I wonder what kind of shit Bronwyn's gonna get herself into. But anyways, we'll talk to y'all soon.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Bye.

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