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Ryan Seacrest
Hi, guys. Welcome to another episode of two T's in a Po. Teddy Mellencamp and Tamara Judge.
Tamara Judge
Hello there.
Ryan Seacrest
Hi, Tam. I can't believe I almost wore your same Cupid salty hat today, but.
Tamara Judge
Well, you know where we got that? We got that from our favorite boutique in San Clemente.
Ryan Seacrest
Our fave. It's called Swirl. You guys, they also have an online store. This isn't even an ad. It's just they have the cutest, most comfy stuff.
Tamara Judge
I think all the girls from OC Go there. Well, not all of them. The ones that live in south Orange County.
Ryan Seacrest
And what is south? What is north Orange County?
Tamara Judge
I think, like, more towards, like, Anaheim. Bria, those are. That's, like, north Orange county, but we're, like, way south, you know?
Ryan Seacrest
Okay.
Tamara Judge
Newport's even, you know, farther away from us. Like, 40, not 30 minutes. But we're like. It's basically, it's me, Gina and Emily.
Ryan Seacrest
Yeah, that's what I was gonna say.
Tamara Judge
We live over here.
Ryan Seacrest
Yeah, that's what I thought.
Tamara Judge
And Jen. Jen lives over here, too.
Ryan Seacrest
Oh, Jen lives over there, too.
Tamara Judge
Yeah.
Ryan Seacrest
Oh, yeah. All right, well, we are recapping episodes eight and nine of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. It starts out where Taylor presents an award at the CMAs. Taylor posts about her experience and no mom talk. No one in mom talk comments. Okay, this I found very bizarre, this entire exchange.
Tamara Judge
In what way?
Ryan Seacrest
Because I sat there, like, honestly, Team Taylor. Like, I'm going, okay.
Tamara Judge
Well, she just took it too far, I think. You know, like, I mean, I. I hate to tell you, Demi, but Taylor might be the fan favorite, unless the CMA's favorite, because she was invited to present and you were not. The girl's not commenting on Taylor's post kind of says it all. I think there was, but doesn't say it all.
Ryan Seacrest
If they got a text message, if they were texting her, like, I gotta be really honest with you. I believed, like, I understand Taylor being upset until the girls were. Half of the girls were like, well, we messaged you. We were texting you.
Tamara Judge
Well, that's where she lost me. Just seeing this scene, I'm like, oh, my God, they're so jealous. They wouldn't comment. And. And then when, as it goes on, we find out that the Girls are texting her privately and showing, you know, showing their support and just kind of an asshole to do that.
Ryan Seacrest
Yeah, Well, I mean, it also shows that these are, like, definitely real world problems, like, who's the most jealous because they're getting something exciting that's gonna promote their show.
Tamara Judge
But I could see that making some girl, especially at that age, you know, true.
Ryan Seacrest
Well, I have a.
Tamara Judge
This is only their second season and now she's out there, you know, presenting at the cma. That's a big deal.
Ryan Seacrest
It is a big deal.
Tamara Judge
And she was very humble about it.
Ryan Seacrest
I she. Until she got pissed. Until she wasn't. But I have a question for you. Would, you know, would you care more, let's say something good happened to you. Would you care more if I sent you a text message and said, like, oh my gosh, you crushed it today, or if I commented on your Instagram because I don't notice when you comment on my Instagram.
Tamara Judge
I am here to tell you that I need the social media support. I need the love. No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. No, I think that if you say something to somebody directly, it's a bigger impact than, you know, saying it on social media. Especially if it's a close friend. Like, if it's my close friend, of course I'm going to post for them on social media. But I'm also, before I do that, I'm going to reach out and say happy birthday, you know, and all those things. But at some people.
Ryan Seacrest
Do you think she wanted a repost or she just wanted a comment? Because to me, she said she just wanted a comment. I have. I don't care. Well, it is all about somebody wants to repost. Like my picture doing something and saying, oh, my gosh, this is amazing. I would probably notice that. But somebody commented, wouldn't notice.
Tamara Judge
I think the bottom line is how often do these girls comment? Are they on social media? All the time, which I think they are. They're probably commenting on every other picture that she posts immediately. So I would be like, that's a little sus. Like, why are you not commenting when I'm doing something so amazing? Are you jealous?
Ryan Seacrest
Hey, jealousy. Hey, jealousy. Who sings that song? Do you remember it from like, the 90s? I may not have.
Tamara Judge
You're asking me? I don't know who sings anything.
Ryan Seacrest
Well, either way, then. Michaela and Macy go over to Demi's house. Macy wonders why Taylor wouldn't just text them. Demi thinks Taylor is a liability to Mom Talk. The Mom Talk girls are getting Attacked on social media because of what Taylor said. So Taylor essentially went public about nobody writing anything on her thing and made it seem like none of the girls supported her, which I think some of the girls were legitimately upset because it made mom talk look fake. I think Demi was legitimately upset because she wasn't asked.
Tamara Judge
Debbie is so jealous of Taylor at this point, at least that she's, she's making herself look like that. You know, I, I threw around after watching the entire season. Is it editing or is this woman just insanely negative and jealous? Have not. I mean, especially of Taylor. But I think when it comes down to it, everybody in the cast, she's.
Ryan Seacrest
She'S been terrible to everyone. I mean, but I, I don't understand how this makes her a liability. She's not a liability to mom. Tuck. Like, come on, Demi, quit chasing.
Tamara Judge
It's not that deep. But what is it about Utah, Salt Lake City, and then now Mormon wives? They literally film a scene in their car going through a drive thru because that's what they.
Ryan Seacrest
Everybody eats around there. Like, we don't. I don't even.
Tamara Judge
Over here.
Ryan Seacrest
Well, yes, but we also don't. I don't have a ton of drive thrus near my house.
Tamara Judge
I mean, I do.
Ryan Seacrest
I have an in and out that's like 10 minutes away.
Tamara Judge
Yeah, I like in and out. And that's probably the only fast food drive thru I would go through. But I mean, I'll go through a Starbucks once in a while, but I gotta believe like Swig or whatever they're paying for. They're paying big advertiser dollars just like. Yeah, that's why they're doing a whole scene of them driving through. It's like product placement. Just like when they do with Wendy's on Salt Lake City.
Ryan Seacrest
You know what I want to know?
Tamara Judge
Huh?
Ryan Seacrest
Because I know that the show is number. What? Number one on Hulu. I want to know what those numbers are based on, like going number one on Peacock.
Tamara Judge
Well, it's. Yeah, I would too. I, I don't know anything about Hulu, but I also know that they very seldom release streaming numbers.
Ryan Seacrest
Yeah, but I, I, I have really come to the terms that I don't like when people drop an entire season. Like, I don't either. Other new favorite show, Bad Sisters or the better Sister or the worst Sister, whatever it's called.
Tamara Judge
Oh, my God. I stayed up late last night watching.
Ryan Seacrest
Don't. Do not tell me because I'm behind.
Tamara Judge
I'm not gonna tell you. But it is so good.
Ryan Seacrest
Okay, listen, to this and guess Season two.
Tamara Judge
I. I was. It was somebody I suspected from the very beginning.
Ryan Seacrest
I will cut you if you say.
Tamara Judge
I'm not gonna tell you. I'm not gonna say.
Ryan Seacrest
Honestly, I will never comment on another.
Tamara Judge
There's so many twists and turns, it's not even funny.
Ryan Seacrest
But. Okay. So I just read this. The season two premiere of the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives hit 5 million views in its first five days of streaming on Hulu. That's a lot. That's a lot.
Tamara Judge
But you have to. But it's also the entire season, so some people might. Some people just didn't watch, like, the entire season in one shot. I. I couldn't do that.
Ryan Seacrest
Oh. The entire season hit 5 million views or one episode by one episode.
Tamara Judge
I don't know. I don't know. Hit 5 million views in its first five days, so. Five days. So there's just not one. They're. Yeah, they've been binge watching it.
Ryan Seacrest
Okay. So Atlanta season 16 premiere aired on March 9 and brought in a total of 2.5 million. But that's one episode.
Tamara Judge
One episode. So. Yeah. So there you go. There's your answer.
Ryan Seacrest
Yep.
Tamara Judge
Not as many as Bravo or Peacock.
Ryan Seacrest
Correct. As. Well. We're just guessing. We don't know. We're still fine with the job. Hulu, if you want us.
Tamara Judge
Oh, yeah. But Hulu, if you want to hire us, you can.
Ryan Seacrest
We'll do our best to hit 5 million. We'll cause some kind of problems. Anyways. Then Michaela and Macy pick up Taylor to talk about the social media situation. Michaela brings up the questions of what's more important, Social media support or private support? We already talked about this. Then Macy and her husband Jacob arrive in San Diego to do frozen embryo transfer. As we watch the rest of the season, this entire portion made me emotional because I did ivf, Right.
Tamara Judge
I don't know anything about ivf. But after. After that, how long does it take for the IVF transfer to know if it worked or not?
Ryan Seacrest
Same as, like, if you were to have sex.
Tamara Judge
Oh, really?
Ryan Seacrest
Yes. Because if they're putting it in you, it's the same as, like, if you were having penetration and.
Tamara Judge
But it depends on the timing. Right?
Ryan Seacrest
Like, I mean, they have to time it the same way if you're ovulating or if you're not.
Tamara Judge
That makes sense.
Ryan Seacrest
Yeah. So it's the same thing. So I think you find out you're pregnant, like, 12 days after you're pregnant if you take, like, a blood test. But I could be wrong. But I from my memory, I feel.
Tamara Judge
Like she's like, it's been nine days. Let's see, take the test.
Ryan Seacrest
So maybe it was nine days. I I mean, I can't remember the weekend for mine. So that's why I remembered it being more.
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Then. Layla and Taylor are in New York City doing a brand deal.
Tamara Judge
Can I ask you a question? Was that a very small plane to fly to New York in?
Ryan Seacrest
Let me tell you an answer. I don't care what size private plane it is, I'm happy to take it for a brand deal, and no one's offered it that.
Tamara Judge
I'm like, what the actual hell they are. They are taking private planes to do brand deals. That's insanity.
Ryan Seacrest
Why didn't they tell us? What? And also, Hulu, you didn't tell us who the brand was. So does that mean that this.
Tamara Judge
That brand is not getting any attention on this? Hulu?
Ryan Seacrest
Yeah, because I don't know what they were doing. I also. They weren't even glam for most of it. I was confused. And then where did all their makeup go on the plane ride home?
Tamara Judge
Well, they're young. They just take it off.
Ryan Seacrest
They take it off, and then they're going to redo it for the event when they get there.
Tamara Judge
I know, I know, but Layla has.
Ryan Seacrest
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Tamara Judge
Oh, my God. Do you think that that was a dick move on her part to do that?
Ryan Seacrest
Well, I thought it was a dick move once we found out that she wasn't gonna actually have her back.
Tamara Judge
I don't know. I just feel like when you do something like that, like, you're really like, she's friends with the other girls. That's what's crazy to me. And she's involved in that. Is she trying to protect her ass, or is she one of those girls, Layla, that she's really good friends with, a friend she's with?
Ryan Seacrest
I think she doesn't have big balls.
Tamara Judge
Well, she had big balls to show Taylor those.
Ryan Seacrest
Well, because there was no one that was going to be mad at her in that moment.
Tamara Judge
Yeah, but she had to know that it's gonna come up.
Ryan Seacrest
Well, I think she. You know how some people get real pumped up to stir the. And then once they stir it, then they're like, oh, and they run away.
Tamara Judge
She was like deer in the headlights. Like, later on, like, oh, but I didn't.
Ryan Seacrest
So Demi responded to Taylor's apology, saying she doesn't accept her apology and goes on about why she doesn't. And then Demi texted Layla asking her how much she was making on the brand photo shoot. Layla then tells Taylor she will stand up for her at the Saint and the sinners party, which we know does not happen.
Tamara Judge
Okay, so Demi is that jealous friend that wants to know how much everybody's getting paid.
Ryan Seacrest
But if. If you and I got the same deal, sometimes I think, yes. I'm not standing up for Demi in this point. Like, I think she asked out of jealousy ways because she wasn't asked. But if we both got somebody. So let's say Canada Dry.
Tamara Judge
Yeah.
Ryan Seacrest
Not through the pod. Reached out and asked, gave us both an offer. I would say to you, hey, Tam, how much are you making for this? So I can. But I would never.
Tamara Judge
But they're not doing the same deal. That's the thing. It's like, it's like if somebody gets asked to do something for Bravo, it's like, how much did you get paid? You know, I.
Ryan Seacrest
No, it's only if you're doing the same deal around the same time. And then it's like, am I getting dicked and you're not?
Tamara Judge
And it's also the way she worded it too. Like, she actually. I don't know, I just thought it was just like.
Ryan Seacrest
Yeah. The entire thing. This is not a good. No matter what, this is not a good season for Demi.
Tamara Judge
No, it's not. No longer fan favorite. But was she actually fan favorite last year?
Ryan Seacrest
Because I think. I think she was the fan. I don't. I think Taylor's always been the fan favorite. But I think everyone loved her. She was like the breakout.
Tamara Judge
Really?
Ryan Seacrest
Yeah. Then we find out Macy's pregnant. She takes her pregnancy test on camera. Then Whitney and Demi run into each other.
Tamara Judge
A question really quick. Yeah, she takes that. They look, they read it, whatever they did in the kitchen. And then as they pan out, there's a life size picture of Jesus walking on water in the kitchen. Is that what that was?
Ryan Seacrest
I didn't notice it.
Tamara Judge
I didn't know if it was Jesus or if it was like Kristen's boyfriend Luke from the Valley. I'm like, hold on.
Ryan Seacrest
Not even Luke. You have to say the guy that wore the thing.
Tamara Judge
Oh, Aaron.
Ryan Seacrest
Aaron.
Tamara Judge
But he had like the scruff and the. And I'm.
Ryan Seacrest
And he's.
Tamara Judge
I mean, it was like life size in the kitchen.
Ryan Seacrest
How did I not notice it?
Tamara Judge
I don't know.
Ryan Seacrest
I think it might be because I watched this a long time ago.
Tamara Judge
Oh, maybe.
Ryan Seacrest
But then, you know, they. Then we're at. Back at Jay Z Styles hair salon. And I like that name.
Tamara Judge
Jay Z. Styles.
Ryan Seacrest
Jay Z. Styles. I want to go as soon as I have enough hair to attach some extensions to. I want to go to Jessie.
Tamara Judge
I think I had her extensions in my hair when I filmed all season.
Ryan Seacrest
Really?
Tamara Judge
Yes. Because I went to somebody new. I had my hair done. Jill, she's amazing down in San Clemente. And she put. I was. I went to her for the first time during the season and she put in her hair extensions and I'm like, oh, what brand is it? And she's like, oh, it's a girl from TikTok that we order from. It has to be, right?
Ryan Seacrest
I mean, let's just assume and give her her props.
Tamara Judge
Yeah.
Ryan Seacrest
Or as Cynthia always says, give her her flowers.
Tamara Judge
Flowers?
Ryan Seacrest
Why? That always sticks out in my head. But they bond overall feeling the same way. And then, then we're on the flight back. Layla's trying to be the producer's pet, as we know, but she's trying to potter but it's, you know, whatever. Then we get to the saint and center's party. Taylor comes in. Taylor is not going to take this laying down because she's wearing the biggest freaking wings I've ever seen.
Tamara Judge
Well, she brings Dakota for backup and six foot angel wings. And she's like, no one's going to with me.
Ryan Seacrest
And you know what?
Tamara Judge
And she dressed like an angel. Which was smart.
Ryan Seacrest
Yeah, it was smart. I, I hate to give you a compliment, but there are parts of her that reminds me me of you.
Tamara Judge
It's funny you say that because I think the same thing sometimes.
Ryan Seacrest
I'm watching her and she says certain things and I'm like, is this mini tamer judge?
Tamara Judge
She could be my daughter.
Ryan Seacrest
Baby tamer judge. This is the Tamara judge's daughter that we've. Instead of being Ben Affleck's relative like.
Tamara Judge
Judges long lost daughter. Yeah, that's yours in her facial expressions too.
Ryan Seacrest
Like, like in her. I don't give a. But I do give a is also my favorite.
Tamara Judge
And she'll let people push her so far and it's like, no, it's so good.
Ryan Seacrest
Then the, you know, they go into the back room to talk at the party. Everybody looks pretty good. Jesse, Demi and Taylor start going at each other quite immediately. Layla doesn't say a single word. Miranda, she just sat there.
Tamara Judge
I'm like, say something. Say something. She was like deer in the headlights.
Ryan Seacrest
But why in the world would Marin, Miranda. Why would Miranda.
Tamara Judge
You know what I have to say about Rana? I feel like she kind of dies off the last part of the season.
Ryan Seacrest
I don't think we're gonna see Miranda again.
Tamara Judge
I think she's really cute.
Ryan Seacrest
I think, I mean, I think she's beautiful, but I don't think we're gonna see her. Season three is my guess.
Tamara Judge
Well, I think they voted her not to be in the mom talk at the end, right?
Ryan Seacrest
I mean, did they really get to vote?
Tamara Judge
I don't talk about that because I'm so, so I have been confused about this forever, but we'll get there, and we'll get ahead of myself.
Ryan Seacrest
But then, you know, of course, Demi takes it too far. She starts bashing Taylor's relationship with Dakota, which is what it is. But then she brings her parenting into it and brings an ever.
Tamara Judge
But when she did that, I'm like, you're.
Ryan Seacrest
That smells like. You're disgusting.
Tamara Judge
You're disgusting. You're a. And Demi is playing checkers while Taylor is definitely playing chess, because Taylor's just like, go ahead, keep talking.
Ryan Seacrest
And then, you know what? I'm not going on the cast trip. Which made the cast trip a snooze fest, which is why Demi had to break down to a 10. Well, but that was a stupid game. But we'll get there.
Tamara Judge
It was. But how many times do we have to hear them say, mom talk is about supporting women? And I don't feel like we're supporting. I'm like, oh, my God.
Ryan Seacrest
It's like when housewives are like, I hate the drama.
Tamara Judge
I hate. I hope there's no drama on this trip.
Ryan Seacrest
Let's make it fun. Let's. Let's do a healing trip.
Tamara Judge
Healing.
Ryan Seacrest
A healing.
Tamara Judge
Oh, my God.
Ryan Seacrest
That's not gonna happen.
Tamara Judge
So episode nine.
Ryan Seacrest
Episode nine, Macy goes over to Jesse's house and talks about their upcoming trick trip to New Orleans, where they debate if it's New Orleans or New Orleans. What do you say?
Tamara Judge
Oh, well, it's New Orleans, I believe. And I'll have to tell you, this is my life all season long, because, you know, obviously, everybody knows we went there, and I had to struggle. New Orleans. New Orleans. New Orleans. Nolo. Nola. How about Nola? No.
Ryan Seacrest
No. What? I can assume that you didn't have a meal the way that the Mormon Secret Lives of Mormon Wives.
Tamara Judge
You're right about that.
Ryan Seacrest
I don't think you got a delicious homemade meal.
Tamara Judge
No, I know homemade meals, but we did get some good meals. But I. I feel like I've seen the New Orleans airport too many times in the past four months.
Ryan Seacrest
Yeah.
Tamara Judge
Between me and you and me and the cast and now this. I'm like, when I saw that they went. I'm like, oh.
Ryan Seacrest
Oh, that was. New Orleans was the last place I went before I was tumor Teddy.
Tamara Judge
Yes, I know. I know.
Ryan Seacrest
Oh, my God. Well, what a. Speaking of medical conditions and whatnot, these viewers clocking thyroid problems better than actual health care providers.
Tamara Judge
Do you know that this isn't the first time a viewer has done that?
Ryan Seacrest
So what is another time?
Tamara Judge
There was Tarek from that flipping show. Elmo, I don't know how to pronounce. He ended up with thyroid cancer. Then Denise Richards, somebody on viewer, nurse something. Detect that. And then the host of Inside Edition, I think her name is Deborah. She also had thyroid cancer. And it was all like a fan saying, hey, you should go have that checked out. I didn't notice anything. You know, I mean, you have to really be trained, I guess, because I didn't notice anything on her neck.
Ryan Seacrest
I mean, sometimes I think it's incredible, like in this instance, but sometimes. I mean, I've gotten so many messages of people that have said things to me that. That don't actually know when it comes to doctor stuff. And it sends me over the edge. But this is where it's pretty incredible how observant somebody is and how they could change a life and potentially save a life by letting them know. But. But if you're listening, guys, if you don't actually know or if you're not trained in this in some way, it's probably not the best to be giving out your medical opinions because it could just cause paranoia.
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Then guess what? They arrive in New Orleans and there's another party bus.
Tamara Judge
Another party bus. Here they go.
Ryan Seacrest
Layla says she feels bad for not standing up for Taylor at the Saints and sinners party. Well, no, Taylor's not even in the coming.
Tamara Judge
You should look what you've done. I mean, you. When it happened, you were chicken shit and you wouldn't say a word. After you told Taylor you gave her her, you know, your word that you would. And now guess what? Taylor's on in the trip. Probably afraid. She's probably afraid to go that she might hurt Demi.
Ryan Seacrest
I don't think she's afraid. I think she's serious. I think that was her way of saying, bam, bitches, I'm the main girl and you try to make a show without me. And then they realized they all had to do some work and they were like, well, this sucks because then we've got dirty Demi, who's just done herself in, like her projection when it even it like, we haven't seen Jen in weeks, I feel like. And eating dinner, they get a video from Jen. Jen tells them that she just came out of therapy and that she's struggling, going into a dark place. She shares that she's been hurting and apologies for hurting any of them. She says she needs to stay home and take care of herself. And Demi says she doesn't want to tell Jen anything anymore. The girls think to me as being a little harsh considering what she's going through.
Tamara Judge
Okay, okay. So all the girls were, like, so sympathetic and totally understood. Of course, Demi did not disappoint. She's consistent. She sucks the energy out of every scene in the last three episodes. Her negativity, like, why can't you just say, oh, I feel sorry for her. I hope she's getting, you know, the help she needs or whatever. But again, she's like, yeah, just nasty towards her.
Ryan Seacrest
Especially when we know what's coming. With all the whole pregnancy stuff and how upset she got. She knows that Jen is struggling.
Tamara Judge
I know.
Ryan Seacrest
With just getting pregnant. She knows this information and she's still being an asshole.
Tamara Judge
Well, did you notice Michaela basically admitted that producers were expecting a blow up? Because she's like, oh, wow. Now that Taylor isn't here, I know who's gonna get into it.
Ryan Seacrest
Know who my favorite is?
Tamara Judge
Who?
Ryan Seacrest
Michaela.
Tamara Judge
I like Michaela. I like too.
Ryan Seacrest
I like Jesse. I like Michaela and I like Macy, so pretty much I'm the general.
Tamara Judge
And guess what? I like Whitney.
Ryan Seacrest
I told you you were gonna like Whitney. I like Whitney, but she needs to do more. Now that she's gotten her vote back into mom Talk, I need more.
Tamara Judge
I need her to step up. Well, she does a lot on social media.
Ryan Seacrest
She was follower.
Tamara Judge
I do and I follow and I looked at her tick tocks. I think her tick tocks are amazing.
Ryan Seacrest
Because I think she's a good dancer.
Tamara Judge
She's a really good dancer. And, and it's funny because they talk about this is mom talks about supporting each other or supporting moms or women or whatever, but their tick tocks are bashing. Their individual tiktoks are usually bashing.
Ryan Seacrest
That's, that's the whole point. That's what they're all fighting about. Because that's originally not how it started.
Tamara Judge
Well, that's how it's going well because.
Ryan Seacrest
Then it became a television show about drama. Then the girls go to a burlesque show in New Orleans. I also want to add in that it's fine for vagina joints in the LDS community. Just not coffee or alcohol.
Tamara Judge
Ketamine and THC is totally fine.
Ryan Seacrest
Totally fine. Well then Taylor goes over to her parents house to talk about her talk with her mom and sister. Taylor explains that Demi brought up a saint at Sinners was a bad point in her life and it hurt her. And Taylor's mom reminds her that she started Mom Talk. I wish all the girls had heard this kind of discussion.
Tamara Judge
Yeah, I mean Taylor seemed very humble even when her mom said that, like you started it, you're the whatever. And she's like, you know, don't say that. She's very, very humble and I love that about her.
Ryan Seacrest
I think she just, I think Taylor needs a good friend.
Tamara Judge
Well, the other girls are basically. Or actually when I say other girls, Demi's basically saying she doesn't know how to be a friend.
Ryan Seacrest
I think she does. But she also has three little kids.
Tamara Judge
But I think she's like a lot like me. Like I'll have a couple really good friends, but in a, like a big group setting. Like I don't push myself to get super close to people, but they haven't.
Ryan Seacrest
Really shown many one on one scenes with. They always show it with her family.
Tamara Judge
Yeah, that's true. They show her family more than anything. Is it because her mom wants to be a housewife?
Ryan Seacrest
Well, I don't know. She makes good TV at this point. Then mom talk arrives back at the New Orleans house and catches up on the couch. Layla asked me if she can ever see herself being friends of Taylor again. She says no. And then Layla has another brilliant idea.
Tamara Judge
Let me ask you a question. Do you think Demi is that girl that tries to turn everybody against the girl that she hates? At the moment?
Ryan Seacrest
Yes. She's done it multiple times. I think we're on the fourth person.
Tamara Judge
It's like exhausting. Like I, you know, I would never tell you who to be friends with.
Ryan Seacrest
And I would never listen.
Tamara Judge
Right, right. And just because like, you can't. You don't do that to somebody. It's not my choice. Your choice to be like, okay, since you don't like her, I'm not going to be friends with her.
Ryan Seacrest
And. And truthfully, to me, you have this big of a problem. Leave.
Tamara Judge
But I think a narcissist does that.
Ryan Seacrest
Allegedly narcissists. It's interesting that you would say that word because that's what I mean. That's me keeps calling Taylor.
Tamara Judge
It takes one to no one. I don't think that that Taylor is a narcissist at all. She's your narcissist. Has an inflated opinion on themselves and think like they're so much better than everybody. Taylor has the opposite.
Ryan Seacrest
I think she's an introvert.
Tamara Judge
She needs self esteem. She needs. She doesn't feel good about herself. I feel like she's still blaming herself for the whole swinging scandal. And she sits still bothers her that she did that and that's what got them. Narcissist would not be like that. That's how they should be kissing her ass.
Ryan Seacrest
That's granted, they may have had a lot of Tik Tok followers before, but that's what got the show started. It's not that they were all good dancers on the Tiktoks now who do.
Tamara Judge
You think had the idea to play pregnancy roulette? Because I gotta believe the producers knew two of the girls were pregnant.
Ryan Seacrest
I gotta believe that if that was Layla's idea, I'll run myself over with my car. Because I do not.
Tamara Judge
It's not her idea. I think it was producers because had they not known two girls were pregnant, they would have never played this game.
Ryan Seacrest
Yeah, but this is another instance of Layla. They just could have gotten a producer's pet.
Tamara Judge
They could have gotten better tests other than Walgreens. Well, because they didn't brand.
Ryan Seacrest
Well, they didn't want. They must have tried to make a deal with what's the pregnancy test we all take. Could you imagine if they did this on housewives when everybody's already in menopause.
Tamara Judge
Clear blue. It's not a clear blue. So obviously, like, if we all did.
Ryan Seacrest
These tests, we'd all. Oh, it's a real shocker. No one's pregnant.
Tamara Judge
No, it's like, do they have menopause tests? Like, beyond the stick? So you see who's in menopause, see.
Ryan Seacrest
Who still gets a period.
Tamara Judge
Anyway.
Ryan Seacrest
I still haven't gotten one since I went into the hospital.
Tamara Judge
Well, it's probably all the medication and stuff.
Ryan Seacrest
It makes your period stop. Well, or maybe I've hit the maybe.
Tamara Judge
Is there any kind of, like, hormone blockers or anything you're on?
Ryan Seacrest
No, some. I think something like just seizure medicine, medication. No, Nothing. I'm not on estrogen. I'm not on any hormones. But maybe that's why. Maybe because I'm not. I know for sure I am not pregnant, so everyone doesn't need to go there.
Tamara Judge
Yeah, but I can immunotherapy, because I've heard, like, immuno. Like chemotherapy, immunotherapy, all these things. Can they put you into menopause? That's why.
Ryan Seacrest
I don't know. I'm gonna ask. Yeah.
Tamara Judge
Today, I. I know that chemo can. I've heard somebody talk about it before. I don't know. I mean, I'm just repeating what I've heard, but that. That could be it.
Ryan Seacrest
That's. It's just weird because. How many. I mean, we're almost at six months.
Tamara Judge
No, we're not.
Ryan Seacrest
Yeah. When did we. When did I go in?
Tamara Judge
Oh, February. February.
Ryan Seacrest
Was I on my period when we were in New Orleans? No. No, I was not. Well, then Layla continues this on, and then it. Honestly, I'm gonna. I know we're gonna be skipping around, but this is where she hits the fan.
Tamara Judge
Well, yeah. So Demi gets all emotional. She starts freaking out. I mean, I know it's got to be upsetting, but how did she know that maybe one of those pregnancy tests were not hers if she's currently trying to.
Ryan Seacrest
I think she went and took another one. I think that's why she went in the bathroom. I think that's what they were implying.
Tamara Judge
I mean, we obviously knew who was pregnant because we met with the girls and we interviewed them, and they were pregnant when we interviewed them.
Ryan Seacrest
But I still. Don't you worry. I still wasn't smart enough to figure out that Michaela, the other one.
Tamara Judge
That was me, too. I. At first, I'm like, wait, who's the other one? And then they. They Stop the game. And they all go different directions. And Demi goes off crying, and I'm like, wait, we need to find out who it is. And of course we did. When Michaela and Macy meet and they. They dress like twins. We knew Dynasty Wives. You see, they're.
Ryan Seacrest
Why did they have their. They still had the stickers on there. They must have been doing a tick tock.
Tamara Judge
They had to have been, because, I mean, I know, like, I've often seen. Are those in style, those duck ducks.
Ryan Seacrest
Camo pants?
Tamara Judge
Well, they're like a certain type of camo pants.
Ryan Seacrest
They're camo pants.
Tamara Judge
They're the kind you go hunting in.
Ryan Seacrest
Yeah. I don't know.
Tamara Judge
Pattern on them. It's like hunting ones.
Ryan Seacrest
But they also still had the thing. Yeah. I don't know. Oh, my gosh, I have armpit sweat. Things are really going well right now.
Tamara Judge
Menopause hot.
Ryan Seacrest
But it's.
Tamara Judge
It's.
Ryan Seacrest
It's going not well. And it's also not going well because Taylor makes a decision to end things with Dakota for good. Which I think now we know that isn't actually accurate.
Tamara Judge
But I mean, it's kind of confusing.
Ryan Seacrest
Because I know you like Dakota.
Tamara Judge
I do like Dakota. I do like Dakota. But we don't really see a lot of interaction and fighting this season with them. There's not a lot. Like, obviously she was arrested last year and now Taylor's family likes Dakota. And I'm like. So I'm. I'm like, I don't. Okay.
Ryan Seacrest
I think Dakota, especially after some of the clips. See, I'm gonna believe whatever Macy says. That's the level I'm at right now. And I saw Macy fighting with Dakota on his vial files interview because he made some stuff up. And I'm gonna believe her. I believe Macy. I don't like Dakota and I'm standing by that.
Tamara Judge
Okay.
Ryan Seacrest
Even though he's fooling us on the show because I'm liking him on the show.
Tamara Judge
Yeah. I mean, he's. He comes across pretty sincere and good with his son and. I don't know. I mean, whatever works.
Ryan Seacrest
A lot of people can come off good. I mean, I. You. And I can pretend to be likable for about 20 minutes.
Tamara Judge
I know. And it's always the one that act on reality shows that everyone's like, oh, they're so sweet. Oh, they're this. And you're like, if you only knew.
Ryan Seacrest
If you only knew.
Tamara Judge
When they go sight to me scene in New Orleans, I knew exactly where they were going. Cafe Dumont.
Ryan Seacrest
That's where we Went. We waited in the line for no reason. Remember?
Tamara Judge
Yes, but listen, do you know that Bronwyn just sent me a picture of the three of us there? I'll have to send it to you.
Ryan Seacrest
Oh, my gosh. Send that to me.
Tamara Judge
What are those little things that been. Been.
Ryan Seacrest
The vignettes.
Tamara Judge
Vignettes.
Ryan Seacrest
I think that's what they're called. But those were so, so good.
Tamara Judge
They're like donuts. Very doughy in the bone.
Ryan Seacrest
I'm bad that I felt so terrible on that trip. I was so sick, clearly, because I had those giant tumors and had no idea because that would have been a really fun trip had I not felt like somebody was poking my head with a million knives. All right, well, I guess we gotta stay. We gotta stay on. On topic, but that was. We do need to go back. But they're sightseeing. Jesse explains how hurt she is that Demi would be sending people elsewhere. And Jesse and Demi talk while they're at the market. I don't believe one thing Demi says at this point.
Tamara Judge
Did you hear that conversation? That the. That in the Mormon religion, they believe that you're sealed to your very first husband, and then in the afterlife, that's who you're going to be with. I'm like, if. So. If I was Mormon, I'd be. My afterlife would be with Ryan's dad, Darren.
Ryan Seacrest
Hi, Matt. I guess we're sealed together for the eternity. I really like.
Tamara Judge
What.
Ryan Seacrest
I haven't even spoke. Could you imagine if that was the case? And, I mean, how many years has it been since you've even spoken to Ryan's dad?
Tamara Judge
I saw him at Ava's 9th birthday, but prior to that, it's usually like if Ava has, you know, has a birthday party and he's there.
Ryan Seacrest
You had. You had a kid with him. But like Matt, for example, like, I have not one bad thing to say about him, but I probably haven't spoken to him in 15 years. But then I'm going to just meet him in the afterlife together and say, here we are.
Tamara Judge
It's you and me, baby.
Ryan Seacrest
Remember when we were 20?
Tamara Judge
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Ryan Seacrest
My gosh, I couldn't believe it. But then mom talk goes to the vampire apothecary for dinner. I'm glad we didn't go there. Jesse thinks that drinking blood is most likely against the words of Mormon wisdom.
Tamara Judge
I'm pretty sure it wasn't blood, sweetie. But I love. They're all dressed like witches. Well, what were all these witching hours? Chokers.
Ryan Seacrest
But they all get virgin blood bags.
Tamara Judge
I know. In an IV bag. That was an IV bag. I'm like, that's kind of a cute idea. I mean, I don't know where you.
Ryan Seacrest
Buy IV bags at and where you get virgin ones.
Tamara Judge
Right.
Ryan Seacrest
Like, what's in there? But then Demi decides at this point she's going to tell the group if Taylor's and she is out. This shocks the group and they think it's unfair for her to say that. Do you want to know whoever comes out. Well, with an ultimatum.
Tamara Judge
No one.
Ryan Seacrest
No one.
Tamara Judge
No one.
Ryan Seacrest
Not one person.
Tamara Judge
Yeah.
Ryan Seacrest
Ever does. Well.
Tamara Judge
But thank you, Jesse, for like, she's the one that's like, stop holding a grudge. Stop holding a grudge. Like, move on. Why can't you move on? You know what, Demi, at this point, you're the one that sounds like a psychotic child.
Ryan Seacrest
I.
Tamara Judge
Not Taylor. You.
Ryan Seacrest
I agree.
Tamara Judge
And then also what I also noticed, and you probably did too, when Demi mentioned the it's not the Taylor show. It showed me. It spoke like, so I can't even talk. It showed me her jealousy towards Taylor. She showed her cards. She thinks, oh, my God, this is the Taylor show. That those are her words. I've never heard Taylor be like, this is my show.
Ryan Seacrest
Taylor. Taylor. No, like when you have confidence. Like, granted, I know that Taylor is struggling with some, you know, personal related things, but I think Taylor is very confident in her place in the show and Demi is not. And she should not be because it's not looking good for her.
Tamara Judge
It's not looking good for her at all.
Ryan Seacrest
And it gets even worse in the final episode. But we have to close out because that's the end of this episode and we will be back to Talk about episode 10.
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Podcast Summary: Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge
Episode Title: You Can’t Spell Momtok Without Taylor… (SLOMW Ep 8 & 9 Recap)
Release Date: June 6, 2025
In this episode of Two Ts In A Pod, hosts Tamra Judge and Teddy Mellencamp delve into episodes eight and nine of the reality series Secret Lives of Mormon Wives (SLOMW). The focus is primarily on the unfolding drama surrounding Taylor and the dynamics within the Mom Talk group.
Ryan Seacrest [03:49]: "We are recapping episodes eight and nine of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives."
The discussion begins with Taylor presenting an award at the Country Music Association Awards (CMA). Post-event, Taylor shares her experience on social media but observes a lack of comments, which both hosts find surprising and indicative of underlying tensions.
Tamra Judge [04:14]: "I think there was, but doesn't say it all."
They speculate that the absence of supportive comments may signal jealousy or lack of genuine support from other cast members. The hosts ponder whether Taylor was seeking direct comments or merely reposts, emphasizing the difference between public acknowledgment and private support.
Tamra Judge [06:37]: "I think the bottom line is how often do these girls comment? Are they on social media? All the time, which I think they are. They're probably commenting on every other picture that she posts immediately. So I would be like, that's a little sus."
A significant portion of the conversation revolves around Demi's actions and attitude towards Taylor. The hosts express frustration with Demi's negativity and perceived jealousy.
Ryan Seacrest [05:00]: "I believed, like, I understand Taylor being upset until the girls were. Half of the girls were like, well, we messaged you. We were texting you."
Tamra Judge [05:21]: "I'm like, oh, my God, they're so jealous."
They analyze Demi's behavior, highlighting her critical stance and lack of support for Taylor, which they interpret as stemming from personal insecurities and rivalry.
Tamra Judge [08:10]: "Debbie is so jealous of Taylor at this point, at least that she's, she's making herself look like that."
The conversation also touches upon the portrayal of Levi the Group dynamics, with Demi increasingly isolating herself and fostering discord within the group.
The hosts commend the show's popularity on Hulu, noting impressive streaming numbers.
Ryan Seacrest [10:36]: "I just read this. The season two premiere of the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives hit 5 million views in its first five days of streaming on Hulu."
They compare these figures to other popular shows, emphasizing the significant engagement SLOMW has garnered.
A heartfelt segment discusses Macy's journey with IVF, resonating personally with Tamra, who shares her own experiences.
Tamra Judge [12:53]: "As we watch the rest of the season, this entire portion made me emotional because I did IVF, Right."
They delve into the emotional and physical challenges portrayed in the show, highlighting the authenticity and relatability of the cast members' stories.
Ryan Seacrest [12:48]: "So maybe it was nine days. I mean, I can't remember the weekend for mine. So that's why I remembered it being more."
The hosts dissect various character interactions, focusing on friendships, alliances, and conflicts.
Tamra Judge [19:11]: "I think she doesn't have big balls."
This refers to Layla's inability to support Taylor effectively, leading to further tensions within the group. The discussion underscores the complex web of relationships and the impact of personal agendas on group harmony.
Ryan Seacrest [21:29]: "You think had the idea to play pregnancy roulette? Because I gotta believe the producers knew two of the girls were pregnant."
They also explore the strategic moves by characters like Taylor, who uses bold gestures (e.g., wearing oversized wings) to reclaim her position and assert dominance within the group.
Tamra Judge [23:37]: "She could be my daughter."
A lighthearted moment where Tamra draws parallels between Taylor's actions and her own personality, highlighting Taylor's determined nature.
The hosts speculate on the producers' role in shaping the show's drama, particularly regarding significant plot twists like the pregnancy tests.
Ryan Seacrest [39:34]: "It's not her idea. I think it was producers because had they not known two girls were pregnant, they would have never played this game."
They anticipate continuing tensions and unresolved conflicts in future seasons, expressing curiosity about character developments and potential resolutions.
Tamra Judge [38:28]: "But I think a narcissist does that."
Discussing Demi's toxic behavior, they label her actions as characteristic of narcissistic tendencies, predicting further discord.
Wrapping up the episode, Tamra and Teddy reflect on the intense drama of the current season and express eagerness for upcoming episodes.
Ryan Seacrest [48:50]: "And it gets even worse in the final episode."
They conclude by highlighting the emotional and psychological depth of the show's narrative, setting the stage for more engaging content in the future.
Tamra Judge [06:37]: "They're probably commenting on every other picture that she posts immediately. So I would be like, that's a little sus."
Ryan Seacrest [10:36]: "The season two premiere of the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives hit 5 million views in its first five days of streaming on Hulu."
Tamra Judge [12:53]: "This entire portion made me emotional because I did IVF, Right."
Tamra Judge [19:11]: "I think she doesn't have big balls."
Tamra Judge [23:37]: "She could be my daughter."
Ryan Seacrest [39:34]: "It's not her idea. I think it was producers because had they not known two girls were pregnant, they would have never played this game."
Two Ts In A Pod offers an insightful and candid analysis of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, unpacking intricate relationships and dramatic developments with humor and empathy. Tamra Judge and Teddy Mellencamp provide listeners with a comprehensive understanding of the show's dynamics, making it a valuable resource for both avid fans and newcomers alike.