You’re Such A B*tch! (RHOP & RHOBH Recap)

Summary

Podcast Summary: "You’re Such A B*tch! (RHOP & RHOBH Recap)"

Introduction

In this episode of Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge, hosted by iHeartPodcasts, Tamra Judge welcomes listeners to a special episode featuring Dolores Catania filling in for Teddi Mellencamp. The episode, released on February 20, 2025, delves deep into the latest happenings in both The Real Housewives of Potomac (RHOP) and The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills (RHOBH), providing an engaging and insightful recap of recent events and ongoing drama within the franchises.

Supporting Teddy

At the outset, Tamra addresses the temporary absence of Teddi Mellencamp due to her surgery. She emphasizes the unwavering support from friends and the community, highlighting the importance of keeping the momentum of the podcast alive during Teddy's recovery.

• Tamra Judge [03:22]: "When she can get back, she'll be back."
• Dolores Catania [05:07]: "We all are brokenhearted for her and we are all praying for her so hard, and she's so loved."

Tamra also touches upon the challenges of addressing fans' concerns without divulging personal updates about Teddy, reiterating their focus on supporting her through prayer and love.

RHOBH Season 14, Episode 12 Recap

The heart of the episode centers on the recap of RHOBH Season 14, Episode 12. Tamra and Dolores dissect the intricate relationships, conflicts, and personal struggles of the cast members, offering their unique perspectives and insider insights.

• Tamra Judge [08:06]: "We have the second season of the Valley returning, which I'm super excited about."

They discuss the anticipated drama in the upcoming season, highlighting statements from cast members that hint at fractures within the group:

• Tamra Judge [08:43]: "Kristen says in the trailer, there is no question that our group is fractured."
• Dolores Catania [11:24]: "But people are desperate for new content on Jersey, so they made something up."

Key Highlights and Insights

1. Karen’s DUI and Rehabilitation:

   • The episode delves into Karen's legal troubles, including her DUI and subsequent attempts at rehabilitation. Tamra expresses disappointment in Karen’s handling of responsibility:

     • Tamra Judge [21:57]: "She probably should have just said, yeah."
     • Dolores Catania [22:36]: "If she really shows remorse now, she needs to say, 'I was wrong.'"

2. Dorit and Kyle’s Turbulent Relationship:

   • The strained relationship between Dorit Kemsley and Kyle Richards is a focal point. Their interactions reveal deep-seated resentments and ongoing tensions:

     • Tamra Judge [82:43]: "Everyone is clawing at Kyle, honestly. And it's just Dorit."
     • Dolores Catania [84:12]: "It's the risk of people ruining families. Kids going through stuff."

3. New Cast Members and Business Ventures:

   • The discussion includes speculation about new business ventures by cast members, particularly in the cannabis industry, highlighting the competitive nature of the show:

     • Tamra Judge [32:21]: "The cannabis business is a very profitable, as I know."

4. Friendships and Loyalty:

   • The dynamics of friendships within the cast are explored, emphasizing the challenges of maintaining loyalty amidst personal crises and public scrutiny:

     • Dolores Catania [89:10]: "What we have together is worth keeping."
     • Tamra Judge [91:20]: "We've all gone through it. Some are tougher than others."

Notable Quotes

• Tamra Judge [07:05]: "We have to stay positive because it's the positivity and the prayers that are going to work."

• Dolores Catania [27:29]: "If you don't accept criticism, you will never evolve."

• Tamra Judge [86:43]: "When I think about being attacked all the time, I remind myself how lucky we are to have what we have."

Conclusion

As the episode wraps up, Tamra and Dolores reflect on the resilience required to navigate the tumultuous world of reality television. They reiterate their commitment to supporting their friends and maintaining the integrity of the podcast amidst personal and cast-related challenges.

• Tamra Judge [95:20]: "We ask you just keep praying for Teddy."
• Dolores Catania [95:49]: "Nobody's replacing Teddy. The two of you together are amazing."

The hosts conclude with heartfelt messages of love and support for Teddy, underscoring the enduring bond between the Two Ts in the Pod despite the temporary absence of one member.

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This summary captures the essence of the episode, highlighting key discussions, insights, and notable moments. For those who haven't listened, it provides a comprehensive overview of the main topics and the dynamic between the hosts as they navigate both personal challenges and the ever-evolving drama of the Real Housewives franchises.

Transcript

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[Dolores Catania]

In a pod with Teddy Mellencamp and Tamara Judge.

[Tamara Judge]

Hey guys, welcome to two Teas in a Pod with myself, Tamara Judge. And today we have Dolores filling in for Teddy. And let me just tell you, I was with Teddy not yesterday but the Day before, and I said, I just want to let you know that Dolores is going to fill in. And she said she gave a thumbs up, and she was. She put a little smile on her face, and, you know, it was. I talked to her before her surgery, and she really wants this podcast to continue. It's her pride and joy, and she's so good at it, and she wants the momentum to keep going, and she just wants everybody to know that when she can get back, she'll be back.

[Dolores Catania]

I just want to say that we all are brokenhearted for her and we are all praying for her so hard, and she's so loved, and I know she feels that now. And I'm just a seat warmer. I am just. Teddy, when you come back, you're coming back better and stronger than ever.

[Tamara Judge]

Stronger. I told her, I said, no one will ever take your place. To said, no one's going to take your place. And she just nodded at me, you.

[Dolores Catania]

Know, and the two of you together are the best team. Just the best.

[Tamara Judge]

So, you know, a lot of people are reaching out to me, and they want me to give them an update. And because nobody's saying anything, people are coming up with their own stories and things like that. It's not my place. It's not. I mean, what do you guys want me to do? Do you want me to take pictures from the hospital and post them? I'm not doing that.

[Dolores Catania]

Tamara, you do what you feel is right to do. No one's closer to Teddy than you.

[Tamara Judge]

No one. She's got a very good group of girls that hang out, and we're all in a group text, and we have schedules of. Because we don't ever want her to be alone. So we have schedules of who's going when. I was there eight hours, not yesterday, but the day before. And, you know, we're just trying to be there. We're trying to surround her with love and caring and all these things. So, you guys, I know you're concerned about her. I know you are. Some people are getting mean with me going, why won't you give us update? And I just said, I'm so sorry. I know you're concerned, but it's not my place. It's not my place. All I can do is pray on her and love her like all of her friends are doing, and that's it.

[Dolores Catania]

You know what, Tamara? Don't give it light, because it's not light. It's dark, and it's not. It doesn't matter, and it doesn't count. You know, what counts is that you're there for Teddi. We know how much you love her. We know the friends that are around her, and that's all that matters. These people don't count. And, you know, Tamara, at the end of the day, this is part the nature of this beast. Unfortunately, it's the dark part of this world. It really is.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, her family, her friends, myself, everybody, we're just trying to put one foot in front of the other right now.

[Dolores Catania]

It's one day at a time.

[Tamara Judge]

That's it.

[Dolores Catania]

One day at a time. And a lot of cares for her. She's strong. She's young. She is. She is a very strong. She. We know she's a very strong willed person.

[Tamara Judge]

And yes, she is.

[Dolores Catania]

She is going to be okay.

[Tamara Judge]

And her sense of humor is poking through.

[Dolores Catania]

Really.

[Tamara Judge]

It is.

[Dolores Catania]

It's poking through. That doesn't surprise me at all.

[Tamara Judge]

She made me laugh the other day, so, you know, but just leave her alone. I love.

[Dolores Catania]

You know, there's not too many Teddy. And I'm not just saying this. There's not too many Teddy and Tamaras. I don't know. The two of you are such a pair, such partners.

[Tamara Judge]

I just don't even know what I would do without her.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, I don't think you have to think about that.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't want to, but I. I do want to say thank you to Vicki Gonbelson. With all the. The bad blood between her and Teddy, I heard that she did go on her podcast and say, like, Teddy doesn't deserve this and she's praying for her and all the things that went down between them doesn't matter when it comes to cancer and things like that doesn't. So I. We appreciate that. We really do.

[Dolores Catania]

Anyone who doesn't come through at this time really shows who they are.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, yeah. But it just. It.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, Yeah, I have a problem with that.

[Tamara Judge]

But anyways. Well, let's go on anyways to headlines.

[Dolores Catania]

We have to stay positive at that at this time because the. It's the positivity and the prayers that is.

[Tamara Judge]

Yes.

[Dolores Catania]

What's going to work. Not anger. Absolutely. You're really upset, Tamara. I say you don't really have it in you to get that mat. Like, you know what I mean? And I know your heart is broken right now.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

So let's just move forward and ignore any negative things. Don't give it light.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, no, I'm, like, trying to give all my worries to God.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah. What else? What else do we have? Right.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay. Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

Strong faith.

[Tamara Judge]

All Right. Let's change it. I'm gonna dry my eyes and let's get into housewife headlines.

[Dolores Catania]

That's always a good diversion, isn't it?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, it is.

[Dolores Catania]

Why most people watch it when I talk to the CFOs and like people that have crazy lives, mothers, at the end of the day, they're like, this gets our mind off of what's going on in our lives. This is the gift that we give people, actually.

[Tamara Judge]

Right, exactly.

[Dolores Catania]

So now it's time for ourselves.

[Tamara Judge]

I know. So the second season of the Valley is returning, which I'm super excited about that Queens of Bravo has posted the trailer if you want to go over there and check it out. So Kristen says in the trailer, there is no question that our group is fractured. Brittany says, Jax and I are still co parenting and all hell broke loose. Zach says, this is why I feel crazy 24 7. And then Jack says, nobody wins these situation. And Michelle yells, I'm the mother of your child. So it looks like there's going to be no short of drama going on over at the Valley. So I'm excited to see that. And then sounds like the big.

[Dolores Catania]

The big adult problems have kicked in. I know we know them as like young people screwing around, a lot of.

[Tamara Judge]

Fighting, and now they have kids and.

[Dolores Catania]

Divorces and all that exciting co parenting. Welcome to our world.

[Tamara Judge]

Welcome. But I'm really excited about this next show that's coming out, Love Hotel. We have some of our favorite housewives on it. So Bravo dropped the first teaser of the dating series called Love Hotel. Bravo is getting ready for a group of real housewives to check into the Love Hotel. The the dating series will feature Luann Shannon Bedor Giselle and Ashley Darby. I'm excited for this. I can't wait.

[Dolores Catania]

So little fun fact. I was out to eat and I ran into one of the producers that were on my show and I was like, how about this Love Island? He goes, I just filmed it. And I said, oh, give me. And he wouldn't give me. He goes, it's so good.

[Tamara Judge]

But Love island or Love Hotel? Love Hotel.

[Dolores Catania]

I met. How could it not be good? First of all, it has to be.

[Tamara Judge]

Yes.

[Dolores Catania]

These are the old school OG girls who.

[Tamara Judge]

Yes.

[Dolores Catania]

And you know, Ashley Darby's not shy of putting it out there.

[Tamara Judge]

No, we just saw her titties on the show.

[Dolores Catania]

I always see her titties. I never not see her titties.

[Tamara Judge]

They're good titties.

[Dolores Catania]

The whole by the whole reunion was full of tits. But that's all you saw.

[Tamara Judge]

But I was literally, like, watching it. And we'll get to that. Like, the boobs. I kept wanting to push on him. Like, how.

[Dolores Catania]

Like, I'm like, aren't you uncomfortable? Oh. Can you breathe?

[Tamara Judge]

That's what I. We're gonna get into that now. I'm saying we're getting ahead, but so.

[Dolores Catania]

This Tim, you know, a bunch of old. But I say that lightly. Yeah. I say that with all love. All love.

[Tamara Judge]

That's what we all aspire to be.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah. Yeah. I just want to be an old. And here you. You're at an age now where you have nothing to lose. My cousin always said nothing. You don't miss a slice from a cut loaf.

[Tamara Judge]

However, you mean that you could do.

[Dolores Catania]

Whatever you want now. Like, you have nothing to be ashamed of. So I am so looking forward to this because. Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, I gotta ask you a question. There was all these stories swirling around that certain people got picked up for Jersey and other people didn't. Is that. Is there any truth to that?

[Dolores Catania]

No. No.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, my God. Where do people get these stories?

[Dolores Catania]

I don't know. I don't know who put that out. But I. I tried to find out, to tell you the truth, and I. I think it's people putting it out because people do want to hear something. So they thought telling a stupid story like that Jersey is not on. On anywhere to come back. We haven't heard. We have not heard.

[Tamara Judge]

So I'm just clearing it up because there's so many things out there. And then they're saying, like, something about the food as. And they don't like John. I'm like, first of all, the network would never say that we're not bringing the food is back because we don't like John. Like, nobody would say that, but you know that.

[Dolores Catania]

But the people reading it like, they're desperate for new content on Jersey, so they made something up. That's all it is.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, my God. I've met the food is. They're very lovely and always very nice. I mean, I honestly ready to have.

[Dolores Catania]

A baby any day.

[Tamara Judge]

I know. I hope you guys all come back.

[Dolores Catania]

Thank you. So do I. I say that about my whole cast because we are even.

[Tamara Judge]

Your last season that you were to, you know, you filmed. I thought it was great. I know there was a division. I know there was a division. I know Theresa thinks I don't like her or whatever. I do. I actually do. She gets mad because she's very sensitive. So anytime we recap Jersey anything said, she thinks, like, I'm. I'm. Not, I'm not.

[Dolores Catania]

I don't think she. Yeah, she. She doesn't know you guys well enough. Like, I know I'm friends with the two of you too. And you have to say what you see. This is your job. You.

[Tamara Judge]

Exactly.

[Dolores Catania]

You're allowed to have an opinion, and it doesn't mean that I have to come back and kill your whole family. Like it's okay to have an opinion about me. So, I mean, you. You have both had your opinions about me. By the way, Paul got divorced yesterday.

[Tamara Judge]

Yay. Oh, my God. Did you. Oh, did you see Ashley Darby? She did a photo shoot because she is now divorced.

[Dolores Catania]

I didn't see the photo shoot, but I'll probably have to have Paul do a photo shoot.

[Tamara Judge]

It was very cute. He has to be topless like her. And she's holding a newspaper that says Ashley Dart. Like, breaking news. Ashley Darby is divorced.

[Dolores Catania]

That's hysterical. He should.

[Tamara Judge]

It was really fun that.

[Dolores Catania]

Thank you. Yeah, do a little spoof on that.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, Lisa Rinna discusses Beverly Hills negatively.

[Dolores Catania]

I saw that. And you know, why? Why do you have to come back bitter? I like Lisa. Don't get me wrong.

[Tamara Judge]

I love Lisa.

[Dolores Catania]

I like her a lot. She had a. She had a rough send off, but not only negative.

[Tamara Judge]

She was talking about the negativity of the, you know, housewives in general. And yes, we know there's a lot of negativity, but Lisa says that people are begging her to return to Beverly Hills, but it's too late. On the Skinny Confidential podcast, Lisa says the negativity fucks you up. It still affects her. I don't like it. It's mean. It gives people permission to be mean. And I don't like that part. And I, I'm not going to disagree with her on that.

[Dolores Catania]

Listen, I'm going to tell you something. Bravo Con. A few years ago, she got booed when she walked out on the Watch what happens live stage. I was sitting in front of her.

[Tamara Judge]

I know.

[Dolores Catania]

And she looked at me and, you know, we're not that close. I'm. I don't know Beverly Hills. Like, I know you and. And she's like, oh, my God, help me. Like she didn't know what to do. You really.

[Tamara Judge]

It's heartbreaking. It's heartbreaking.

[Dolores Catania]

We're human and I mean, you just have to be thick skinned but to come out and get booed after giving all these years of your life. And I thought she was great. You know, she shared her family, her mother, and she's good. She was good TV her little dances around her garden I kind of enjoy.

[Tamara Judge]

I love her. I think she's great at everything she does. She is p. Pivoted right back into modeling. Her modeling.

[Dolores Catania]

She's doing great. She's doing great, but you get hurt. This is like a breakup when you're not on the show anymore or however you're. You expire.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Well, let me just tell you, Doors. When I expired way back, what, five years ago, when I was gone, I was heartbroken. Did I say things about the show? Yeah. I did it out of hurt. I was very hurt. I was lost. I'd been on a show for 12 years. I suddenly felt like I just got kicked out of the cool girls club, you know, all the. All the feels. I had all the feels. So I get where she's coming from, and yet I haven't really. I think the only thing she had said, she was on a radio. Andy's radio show, I think. And she said that the shows, like, maybe the Titanic. I'm paraphrasing. I'm not quite sure if that's what she said. And Andy said, come on, you haven't said anything bad. So she's actually been pretty good about it, but I don't know why now.

[Dolores Catania]

It's been a while. Like, I think it's because she's the.

[Tamara Judge]

Trigger, because she's doing interviews because her and Harry got a podcast.

[Dolores Catania]

Okay.

[Tamara Judge]

So, you know, you do. You do interviews, people start asking you questions, then you say things, and it gets twisted in the headlines, and then.

[Dolores Catania]

And then they grab that one sound bite, and then they run with it.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Yep. So that happened. But the host of the show totally said, you know, you do get a lot of love. And she goes, I do get love. But the last year on the show, girl, that was some hate like I've never seen in my entire life. It was rough. It was.

[Dolores Catania]

Was rough. And I'll tell you, those Beverly Hill girls, when they're done with you, they're done with you.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

You didn't really have a friend to stand standby. I mean, I've seen it.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

Rough for her.

[Tamara Judge]

It was rough.

[Dolores Catania]

I did. And I like her. I. Were you at Andy's baby shower?

[Tamara Judge]

I was.

[Dolores Catania]

Oh, yes, you were, because I was standing next to you and you were talking about you.

[Tamara Judge]

Can you believe that was six years ago?

[Dolores Catania]

I cannot believe, but it was the most amazing thing. But she was dancing with Bruce Bozzi, and I have them on video. I. I have it still till this day. And it was like I needed to have a cigarette. There was so much chemistry. Yeah, they did that. They danced together. So amazing. And I'll never forget.

[Tamara Judge]

She really, she's one sexy broad.

[Dolores Catania]

She's got the sex appeal and she's.

[Tamara Judge]

And she really like lights up a room.

[Dolores Catania]

Swag. She has swag. That's what I want to say for sure. Like some other people that have to be nasty to try to get it, you know, big attention, stupid things that they don't have swag.

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[Tamara Judge]

And let's get in to Potomac reunion part one recap now it starts off with December 20, 2024. Twelve hours after Karen was found guilty of her DUI and six other charges, Karen sits down with a producer. Karen says she accepts full responsibility for everything. A producer asked Karen if she has an issue with alcohol, and Karen says, no, I'm not answer.

[Dolores Catania]

She probably should have just said, yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, I was kind of disappointed that Karen is still referring to her DUI as an accident even after her guilty verdict.

[Dolores Catania]

She's definitely not using the correct verbiage. I don't know what's really going on with that whole thing. However, she needs a coach to teach her. I. I have a cop background. There's a way to answer things.

[Tamara Judge]

Maybe you can coach her.

[Dolores Catania]

I. I wouldn't mind giving her a call, but is she receptive to constructive criticism? I don't find her.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't. I don't.

[Dolores Catania]

That way?

[Tamara Judge]

No, I don't think so. Now her sentencing is February 26th.

[Dolores Catania]

Okay, so that didn't help last night.

[Tamara Judge]

What advice would you give her?

[Dolores Catania]

Well, when anybody who commits a crime, when they're up for parole, they get it. If they really show remorse now she needs to say, I need to do better. Yes, I am an alcoholic. I'm getting help. I was wrong. I mean, put me in her spot. And I will tell you, she needs to grovel. Grovel.

[Tamara Judge]

She's not doing that.

[Dolores Catania]

I didn't see that. And that's not going to read well when the judge is sitting home watching that, because, you know, in. Just in case or the attorney is.

[Tamara Judge]

Do you think maybe she's scared and that's why she's doing like. She's scared that she's going to go to jail. So she doesn't want to incriminate herself anymore, and that's why she should not take accountability.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah. She's not being coached well. And that's what a good attorney would do.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

Good attorney sits down with you and says, let me tell you, you better be crying, you better be sorry. You better say, you are an alcoholic. You just didn't do it because you felt like doing it.

[Tamara Judge]

But I feel like certain people are just not coachable. And she actually fired her attorney.

[Dolores Catania]

Okay, so then that's a problem. And here's the other thing. I'm sure she's very scared. I'm not in her shoes, I'd never been drunk in my life. I'm really.

[Tamara Judge]

I. I wish I could say that.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, no, I wish I could say I was drunk, because it's nice.

[Tamara Judge]

I haven't been drunk in a year.

[Dolores Catania]

How come?

[Tamara Judge]

Because I'm just not drinking very much. Because I'm going through the therapy and I'm trying to figure, you know, digging deep back into your past and going through traumas and things like that, like, alcohol is not your friend. And I've just noticed, you know, in the past couple years, and I think it's maybe age, I. I drink and I just become a different person, and I don't like who I become.

[Dolores Catania]

Okay. I. So it's just.

[Tamara Judge]

It's not. I'm not saying, like, oh, I'm sober, but I want to have a glass of wine. I will. But getting drunk is a whole different story. Nothing good comes out of that.

[Dolores Catania]

I always felt like it would be nice to just let go.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

You know what I mean, Tamara? It's nice to have a good time, but then when that good time turns, because I've been around it, I kind of grew up around seeing some of that and that. It's. No, it doesn't end well. And in relationships, it's not good friendships.

[Tamara Judge]

My husband doesn't really drink. He rarely drink. He might drink once a Year. And we don't drink at home. We've never drink at home. And I mean, we have, but I'm just saying, majority, 99% of the time, we don't sit down and have a glass of wine. When we were younger, we did, but now we're too into health and fitness. We go to bed at 8. We're asleep by 9. We're up at 6, like, you know, busy. So it's like it doesn't fit in, right? Doesn't fit in. So three weeks later, Karen is not at the reunion because she has checked herself into a private recovery center. Wendy wonders if Karen is there because she needs help or because she thinks it'll lighten the blow of her sentence. Karen says she return as Karen and not the grandom. Do you think Karen checked herself into recovery because she truly believes she needs to make herself look good for sentencing? Because earlier in the reunion, two seconds.

[Dolores Catania]

Later, two minutes earlier, she doesn't have an alcohol problem.

[Tamara Judge]

Thank you.

[Dolores Catania]

So what, are you checking yourself in? Is it just a rehab center?

[Tamara Judge]

For what?

[Dolores Catania]

Was it that pills or something? Whatever it is, you got a problem.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, she does say later on in the reunion that. What was it, antidepressants and alcohol.

[Dolores Catania]

Oh, you can't do both? No, hon, you could never do alcohol ever again. I have family in recovery kissing a bye. You can't take a drink. You can't have a glass of wine at home. It's over. So just come to terms with that or not.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, allegedly, this is her fourth dui.

[Dolores Catania]

What's wrong with Ubers, guys? I know what's wrong with Ubers. I don't get it, but I think.

[Tamara Judge]

When you truly have a problem with alcohol, you don't see it. You know, it's a disease. And I'm. I've learned a lot. You know, I. I've gone to find a friend that.

[Dolores Catania]

I don't want to be a hypocrite or like, yeah, hypocrite, but I don't want to talk on something that I never experienced.

[Tamara Judge]

Right. If you haven't experienced it, you know, it's hard to wrap your brain around it.

[Dolores Catania]

I don't want to be judgmental, but I can tell you one thing I can say is if you don't accept criticism, you will never evolve. If you're not looking at yourself and saying, I was wrong. I was wrong. Listen, I'm sorry, but mean it. Don't just say it to get past it. You have to really say. You have to really feel bad about being wrong to really evolve.

[Tamara Judge]

I think that Karen's pride is really getting in the way of things. Certain people want to put on this Persona that they are a certain way. And I think that she's one of those. And then there's other people that are like, you know what? I fucked up.

[Dolores Catania]

You threw that out the window at your first dui.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, yeah. But you know who I think is a class act, and that's Wendy.

[Dolores Catania]

I really, I really.

[Tamara Judge]

From last year, this year, my mind has totally changed about Wendy. She always stuck, stuck up for Karen and for Karen. Yes. And for Karen to not even mention her.

[Dolores Catania]

Right? He didn't mention her. She was mad. She goes, let me tell you, she and my friend, I saw Wendy's face last night. She will never come back from that. No, Wendy will never, never come back.

[Tamara Judge]

From smart, successful woman. The way that she was talking about how she's setting up her kids in the. In her trust or in their trust. And you know, they get more. Like, even Andy was there, like, oh, my God, that is so smart. Like, you accomplish this, you'll get more. You speak more languages, you'll get more. She's pushing her kids to do better.

[Dolores Catania]

In life, just not to do.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, there's.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, there's so much potential there with children and to get them while they're young and to get them to do things and listen. People can learn from her. Sure, that's great. I didn't. Well, I learned.

[Tamara Judge]

I learned from her just watching the first reunion. And let me tell you, I don't learn much from housewives.

[Dolores Catania]

We learn what not to do.

[Tamara Judge]

Even watching myself, I'm like, I fucked up. I should do that again. But do you honestly.

[Dolores Catania]

Self reflective. Tamara, I got to give it to you. You always beat yourself up.

[Tamara Judge]

I do, I do, I do.

[Dolores Catania]

So you're going to just get very far with that. But her face when she was not mentioned was the end. And why would Karen not mention her? What's going on? What happened?

[Tamara Judge]

I don't know.

[Dolores Catania]

Is she a little jealous of her?

[Tamara Judge]

Probably. Maybe jealous of her success. I'm not quite sure. But do you, but do you, in your heart of hearts, do you think that Karen checked herself into rehab to skip the reunion or to help her sentencing or both? Both. Yeah. Because I think, like, you know, if you really were concerned, why didn't she go to rehab right after she got the dui? Why did she wait? I mean, the timing was very sus.

[Dolores Catania]

I don't know the timeline. It's got to be a long time from now. To when that happens, isn't it? Yeah, it's like a few months. Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. I mean, her DUI was when Helped me out here almost a year ago, and she just. March of 2024. Almost a year.

[Dolores Catania]

March of 2024.

[Tamara Judge]

Last year. Yeah, a year. And she went to rehab, you know, 10 months later.

[Dolores Catania]

Has she drank since?

[Tamara Judge]

I don't know that she. We've seen a drink on the show. No, I don't think that she has to, which is smart.

[Dolores Catania]

Listen, I wish her the best.

[Tamara Judge]

I do, too.

[Dolores Catania]

But I didn't see it. I didn't see what. I think if I was sitting in that courtroom, I didn't see what I needed to see. See.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, Well, I don't think.

[Dolores Catania]

Let me tell you, I don't care if she stood on her head. I don't give a. If she showed up, Nick, I don't think there's a lot they can do for her. I think she's in trouble.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, we're gonna find out. We're gonna find out. So Giselle accuses Stacy of trying to start her own cannabis company. Stacy says, absolutely not. And Giselle.

[Dolores Catania]

Giselle said, oh, yeah, we'll see it next. Yeah, yeah, we'll see next season.

[Tamara Judge]

Giselle says when Stacy comes out with happy Stacy next season, don't be surprised. I'm a little bit confused by Stacy because I'm starting to feel like she's one of those girls that are so sweet on camera, but maybe behind the.

[Dolores Catania]

Scenes, not so much. Not so much camera. It always comes out.

[Tamara Judge]

It does. Yeah. The camera doesn't lie.

[Dolores Catania]

You can't hide. It falls right out of them. One good fight. One good fight. Somebody crosses her the wrong way, and you see it fall right the fuck out.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. I remember when I first started Housewives. Me, my first or second year, and Kathleen French, lovely lady that worked on Evolution. Now she works for Bravo. She said to me, tamra, the cameras never lie. They will see right through and every conversation. And I'm. And I. That always stuck with me.

[Dolores Catania]

I like to say you're very authentic. Like, you. You don't really hide.

[Tamara Judge]

Maybe a little too much sometimes, but.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, that's the way to be. And that I. I think that at the end that. That authenticity and that sincerity is what makes you the best housewife, you know? Makes you. Makes it an amazing housewife.

[Tamara Judge]

And you're an amazing.

[Dolores Catania]

And then. And then you say you're sorry, and then you say, yeah, I was wrong. I did that, and I was wrong. But, yeah, it's Going to come out. You can't be phony. You can't be a phony and can't be a thirsty either.

[Tamara Judge]

You can't. Now, the cannabis business is a very profit, as I know.

[Dolores Catania]

You know, Frank's in the cannabis business.

[Tamara Judge]

Yes, I know. Me and Frank have talked about it. We started ours about six years ago, I think, and it's doing amazing. I mean, better than I ever thought. I'm so thankful and so grateful.

[Dolores Catania]

Thank God. That's.

[Tamara Judge]

That's my retirement.

[Dolores Catania]

That's what we need. A good retirement. It would be. Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Especially at my age. It would be a little weird if Stacy's contacting a cannabis company and saying, I'm a celebrity, let's collab or whatever is being said. Giselle knows something. Giselle's not pulling this out of her.

[Dolores Catania]

And pull this out of her ass. No, no, she's just not saying.

[Tamara Judge]

She's not saying.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, we're going to. Like I said, we're going to find out. So is she going to collab or is she going to actually open? You know, you don't, you know well enough. You've got to get the license. You got to.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, my God, it is so like.

[Dolores Catania]

You just open up a store and it's like a clothing store. There's a lot involved.

[Tamara Judge]

There is a lot involved. We have partners in our business and they are very knowledgeable about every. I mean, we probably could not have done it all by ourselves because the banking that there's so much to it.

[Dolores Catania]

Legality of italities. Like, I've been shadow banned a license.

[Tamara Judge]

No, it's not easy. I've been shadow banned so many times on social media because I have hashtag thc. And different things like this business, they don't regulated.

[Dolores Catania]

No, no, it is very regulated. So she, she's got to either know what she's doing or maybe she'll be the face of a prod. But like, but can I ask, what's the big deal about it? Like, why would she lie about it? And why is Giselle even bringing it up? Like, who cares?

[Tamara Judge]

I think it's shady.

[Dolores Catania]

She's full of shit.

[Tamara Judge]

I think it's shady. I think that, that Eddie has, you know, just launched one on. On Potomac and now she's like, oh, I'm going to. Like, I don't know.

[Dolores Catania]

I just think it's weird because Eddie launched one.

[Tamara Judge]

Yes, yes. A couple years ago. So I'm like, that's.

[Dolores Catania]

I remember because he was talking to Frank about it.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, I mean, you know, What? It's like anything in life, podcasting, whatever. There's room for everybody.

[Dolores Catania]

That's what I'm saying. Like, everybody gets so greedy.

[Tamara Judge]

Yes. I want everybody to be successful.

[Dolores Catania]

Me, too.

[Tamara Judge]

That's what I want. I can't stand to see somebody struggle financially. I break my heart.

[Garcelle Beauvais]

I've been there.

[Tamara Judge]

Yes.

[Dolores Catania]

I've been there. And I remember what it's like. And always one bad decision away from that tomorrow.

[Tamara Judge]

Exactly. I mean, when I was younger, single mom, sometimes I didn't have electricity, like, you know what I mean? And I never once asked my parents for money to pay my bills. You know what? We all go through those things, and that makes us grow, obviously. But I hate to see anybody even. Like, my son just graduated college. He got his first big graduation.

[Dolores Catania]

Congratulations.

[Tamara Judge]

I know. I'm so proud of him, you know, and I paid for his apartment and everything while he was going through college. And he's like, mom. And this is why I know I did a good job with him. He goes, I have a spreadsheet of every cent that you've ever given me while I've gone through college, and I'm going to pay you back. And I said, absolutely not. What you just said to me paid me back tenfold.

[Dolores Catania]

Wow. Oh, such a little when it comes to the boys.

[Tamara Judge]

I know, I know. But then Andy asked Wendy if she regrets inviting Karen to the White House. Wendy says she wishes she hadn't. Kiana tells Stacy it was wrong of her to only tell Wendy what Karen had said after their relationship had gone south. Wendy says that when Stacy joined the group, Karen told her to be careful of her because she's smart and educated. Giselle says, is she.

[Dolores Catania]

I mean, Giselle. I like Giselle.

[Tamara Judge]

I love her.

[Dolores Catania]

I can't wait to see her on the new show. But I think Karen and I, like, don't get me wrong, I've only had a good experience meeting Karen. Yeah, it was at Bravo Con.

[Tamara Judge]

I like Karen.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, I like Karen. Maybe she's a little threatened by Wendy. Listen, I look up to women with an education. I don't have one.

[Tamara Judge]

Neither do I.

[Dolores Catania]

So I. I'm not threatened by one. I actually am proud of a woman, and I want to learn from her. I don't want to knock her for it. There's something going on there. It's a little bit deeper. Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. I. I actually envy people that have educations because, you know, I was pregnant at 17 years old. I had my first baby at 18. I wanted to do this and do that, and you Know what? I couldn't and I didn't. Like, I was struggling to make it. Yeah, I did fine.

[Dolores Catania]

But you always said insecurity, Tamara, at the end of the day, that if this goes away, we have nothing to fall back on. That's why I know that that retirement for you that you just talked about, that's important to you because we look at our future and say, at 70 years old, where am I going to pay my bills if I'm not doing that? So my son will tell you, my only insecurity in life is my future security.

[Tamara Judge]

Yes, it is very important to me to have my houses. I do have two houses. I want my houses paid off. I want money in the bank. I don't care about wearing designer clothes.

[Dolores Catania]

I don't.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't care. Like, yes, I have them. I have some. I have a nice car. I paid cash for it. Like, I. If I can't afford it, I'm not buying it.

[Dolores Catania]

Things for me are just things. I need to know that I'm going to be okay. And so many women are not. And I want to. I want to come up with something when I get them and, like, help women do that. Maybe Wende can give us some ideas.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Yeah. But I don't blame Wende for regretting inviting Karen, because it's the worst feeling in the world when you find out that your good friend that you think that you're close to.

[Dolores Catania]

You've had sex before, huh?

[Tamara Judge]

Talking badly behind your back. It's hurtful.

[Dolores Catania]

And it always comes out. It always comes out.

[Tamara Judge]

You know, And I know, like, you know, friends are friends. We have fights, we have arguments. Do I bitch about friends once in a while? Absolutely.

[Dolores Catania]

We all do.

[Tamara Judge]

If I was confronted, I'd say, yeah, I did. I'm sorry. I was annoyed.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, you've always been confronted, and you did say, yeah, I did say.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, I did.

[Dolores Catania]

So I think. Well, Wendy, last night, when that reunion started and she was left out, she's gutted. She had not. She. She never saw that coming. And I think that really. That hurt her yesterday, just so you know.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

I saw her face and she was like, no.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. But how about when Wendy says, when Stacy joined the group, Karen told her to be careful because, you know, she's smart and educated and that she. She grooms people. That when new people come into the show, Karen takes them aside and is like, warns them or grooms them and tries to be friends with them. Have you ever had anybody like that in your cast?

[Dolores Catania]

No.

[Tamara Judge]

Like, oh, there's a new girl coming in. I'm going to slide into her DMs. I'm going to try to befriend her.

[Dolores Catania]

No, you know, I think the other girls do when they think I don't know exactly who, but I, I, I've seen them like, oh, I'm good. All of a sudden, you see a potential person is out to lunch with one of the people on my show and they're posting it.

[Tamara Judge]

That happened this year on our show.

[Dolores Catania]

Oh, it did.

[Tamara Judge]

It's like before, in between seasons. It's like, you know, we see these.

[Dolores Catania]

Things on my show, Tamara. Yes, it does. It doesn't happen with me. I'm not a luncher. I'm not really a luncher. I'll be your friend, but I'm not a luncher. I will absolutely recruit you.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, I would absolutely welcome and I always do every new housewife that comes onto the show. But it's not like, oh, well, don't watch out for this girl. And don't you, like, I want everybody to get their own opinion. I might have my opinion, and I'll tell you, right.

[Dolores Catania]

And I'm not going to try to force people to be on my team. And I'm, I'm not about teams. Beverly Hills, they have their friends, but they're not. I don't see them as teams. Did you happen to think that I don't see that?

[Tamara Judge]

No, I don't. I mean, they definitely, you know, you have Buddy Systems is what I like to call it. You have Garcelle and Sutton. They have each other's back bows.

[Dolores Catania]

And Erica seems to be leaning towards, you know, Erica owes no one nothing. Oh, Erica Queen, she owes nobody a fucking thing. Because guess what, Last year, I'll never forget it, when she, her or two years ago, when her whole life got ripped out from underneath her.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

They all sat around that table. And I am. Girls, if you don't like I'm saying this, I'm sorry, but I'm going to say it.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

Because I'm on a podcast now, so I've never really opened my mouth like this, but I'm going to tell you now, one of them said, I got your back because I don't think you knew a damn thing. And she's sitting there stoic, strong tears running down her face, and she's like, I had nothing to do with this.

[Tamara Judge]

I just got chills. Even just for you saying that, because did you imagine going through that?

[Dolores Catania]

Get that. I will never forget how they all sat there like, well, Just gonna say, I don't know. I don't know. Oh, Tamara. I didn't like it. And you know why? She's much more forgiving than me. Because I've never forgotten that, having said that. And I got that off my chest after all these years. I just want to say that she has. She is very. You know why she's like this. And there's nothing wrong with being like this, because she's right. She's like, you know what? I'm not picking a side. They're. They're two grown adults. They can get over this. But it's not like they're facing what she was facing. They're facing a separation, a divorce, yet down it. She was facing, like, heavy, heavy shit.

[Tamara Judge]

I know.

[Dolores Catania]

And then went broke doing it. And nobody, as far as the friend that I am, were there for her the way I feel, I would have been. I'm just saying. Sorry I said it.

[Tamara Judge]

Ashley asked what happened at Mia's birthday in Miami. Now Jazzy says that Mia invited her and Stacy. This is fucked up. But when Stacy landed, she did not hear from Mia, and they never saw her. Could you imagine being invited to somebody's birthday party where you have to fly, get a hotel to celebrate them, and they ghost you when you get there?

[Dolores Catania]

I cannot fathom that. That is so bad. That is, like, really bad. Bad. Okay?

[Tamara Judge]

It's like us inviting you to Twatcon.

[Dolores Catania]

And I got my bags.

[Tamara Judge]

You got your bags. And.

[Dolores Catania]

And I get to California. I got all my. My makeup set up, and I got my outfits, and I run on that plane to get there because I'm so excited to be a part of it. And then no one.

[Tamara Judge]

Nothing. Nothing.

[Dolores Catania]

First of all, you feel like a big jerk off, okay?

[Tamara Judge]

Like, oh, I. There's a. There's no coming back from that. No fucking coming back.

[Dolores Catania]

Never ever. Never again.

[Tamara Judge]

Now we get to see.

[Dolores Catania]

They might even want to get you back for that. And I don't do that.

[Tamara Judge]

I would say, you need to pay me back the money I paid to go to your damn birthday party. That might help. That's a start. The way Stacy dropped her QVC voice into the low baritone to drag Mia was amazing. We see the fire in Stacy's eyes. Like, I'm like, oh, yes, this girl's got potential. This is the Stacy that we need. And then Mia's, like, all acting and saying, well, I ordered. I hired a poc. And Stacey's like, is that a probation officer?

[Dolores Catania]

What's a poc? A party planner.

[Tamara Judge]

A person of contact or something like that. Like a person. Like a point of contact.

[Dolores Catania]

Okay. So when you see somebody's missing, maybe you should call.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, right.

[Dolores Catania]

The person of contact. Okay. Maybe they didn't answer it. You have no control over that.

[Tamara Judge]

But then. Yeah, I know.

[Dolores Catania]

It's just. It's.

[Tamara Judge]

It's crazy. Then Mia starts to cry. Wendy says that this. Me. This is what Mia does when she gets called out. Mia says she's going through a lot, been taking full accountability. And the woman break. And Mia goes and talks to Stacy and Jazzy and Mia apologizes. And I'm like, Mia's lies have finally caught up with her and she wants to leave. She wants out. I have no respect for her. I think what she did was a move. I just don't get it.

[Dolores Catania]

No, no, I don't. Bad.

[Tamara Judge]

I know, I know. Well, that's.

[Dolores Catania]

That's it. It's over. Somebody showed you their hand?

[Tamara Judge]

Yep. And you guys would.

[Dolores Catania]

It would have been an effort to. To find her. I mean, I mean, come on.

[Tamara Judge]

Like, it's just fucked up, but. So that's the end of the first episode of the reunion. I can't wait to see the next. We're going to take a small break and then we'll be back with Beverly Hills episode 12 recap. And it was a good one. Do you ever get random skin irritation or breakouts? A lot of people who experience this come to find out it's caused by their laundry detergent.

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[Tamara Judge]

Okay, so this is Real House of Beverly Hills Season 14 Episode 12 now it starts with Kyle and Garcelle tells Sutton that they have a confession. They were listening to Sutton's conversation with Reba. Sutton says she hasn't felt this way with her mother since sophomore year in college. Sutton is holding Reba to say I love you once a year. Now I had said in a prior podcast that I go is Reba the new villain? And somebody picked it up and made like told Sutton. I'm like come on, I'm joking, I'm joking. I don't think that at all.

[Dolores Catania]

I'm actually anyway, it wasn't like a Bad thing. It was tongue in cheek. That's not like, could Reba really be a villain? Come on.

[Tamara Judge]

But they brought it up to Sutton, and I'm like, fuck off. I'm falling in love with Reba. And I'm starting to understand Sutton way more. And let's be honest, you probably understand this. We do not come from the generation where our parents sat there and stroked us and told us that they loved us. We came from the generation that said, stop crying. I'll give you something to cry about.

[Dolores Catania]

Cry about. So here's the thing. My parents didn't throw the word I love you around. And my friends know it's not an easy thing for me to say till this day, it gets a little like. And you know, listen, Reba, she's. She's a good mom. She's a sweet lady. You know, she's like, why should I have to say something you want me to say? Because didn't everything I do, Wasn't that enough?

[Tamara Judge]

Like, I think that generation was more about my actions are showing you how I feel about you. You know, I had years ago, confronted my mom, because my mom and dad, they both had difficult situations growing up, but there wasn't, you know, they weren't the I love you type, but they did everything for me. Did it affect me? Yeah, it affect me a little. I remember the first time they told me they loved me. I was, you know, probably 18 somewhere, but I can't remember. So long ago between 18 and 20. And I was going to New York, first time, I was flying out somewhere without them, and I walked out the door, I'll never forget, at the garage door. And they said, I love you. And I broke down. Picture I broke down in tears as I walked out, because more when you.

[Dolores Catania]

Hear it once, only a little while. You know what?

[Tamara Judge]

You know what? That's a good point, actually. That is a very good point.

[Dolores Catania]

Feel like those words have now been diluted to some extent.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

And. But if it makes you. But if your child wants to hear. Because we're still children, as long as our parents are still with us. Right. So if that's all Sutton wants. But that's hard for that woman to say. It's hard.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, you know, when I met Sutton, I don't know if it was the first. Yeah, I met her at Watch what Happens Live. She was pre taping. I was coming in and we were talking, having a good time, and she's like, I gotta take you to. She has a house somewhere. I don't know if it was in New York or somewhere else. And the next time I saw her at Bravo Con, she's like, when are you gonna come up? Like, I wanna hate.

[Dolores Catania]

She's very personable when you speak to her. There's no airs about her at all. She's. She's nice and listen, she's honest. She.

[Tamara Judge]

Is she a little too honest, but. Okay, then Bose and her cousin Tina sit down and talk about Bose's fertility journey. Bose is scared she won't get the results she wants. Tina asked if she is talking herself out of this. Bo says it's scary, okay?

[Dolores Catania]

She's been through a lot. She lost her husband. She loved her husband. She lost a baby. She lost a baby and she lost a baby, right? And now she's. Pregnancies are very hard for her. But now she's in love with this guy and he doesn't have children.

[Tamara Judge]

But they don't say they love each other yet. But it's actions, okay?

[Dolores Catania]

Right. Not I love you. Those words, they don't mean everything to me personally. They don't mean everything to me. But she feels love for him. And that is why it's a natural way to want to have a baby. I never wanted to have another child again. I didn't even probably want to have kids in the first place, but. But it's almost a natural feeling to want to have that because it's inherit. Like, okay, now I want to. So I just want Bose to really be aware of. Are these feelings real? She went through a tragedy. She lost her daughter. I just want to say that I understand the feeling, but I think. And she's crunched for time too. Not only is she high risk, she's not young. So this is really something I want her to just think about a little more.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, yeah, I'm. See, I'm curious. She's a very intelligent woman. I think that she's gonna figure it out. I mean, when they first started this conversation, I mean, because they've been, you know, housewives. Are they like to be the dead horse, too? Beat the dead horse. You're gonna talk about this story over and over and over again in every scene. It's like, okay, we got it. So when we. When her cousin came over to talk about. I go, oh, my God, are we going to talk about this again? But we actually got a little bit more information. We got the information.

[Dolores Catania]

We got. We got what we needed to know the backstory of what's going on. But again, I say in just. Without all that going on, it's inherent to want to have a child with somebody that you fall in love with after all this time, right?

[Tamara Judge]

Yes. Yes. So then Sutton arrives to Dorit's barbecue. She is waiting all by herself. So funny is Mia. Kyle points.

[Dolores Catania]

I was trying to untangle her body chain upstairs. Meanwhile, she's got.

[Tamara Judge]

I know, but I'm like, sutton, you know, if you come to my house, I'm not going to be there. Probably to greet you. I might even give you the door code to let yourself in.

[Dolores Catania]

She's like, from the south, very etiquette. Yeah. Conscious and proper. And this is different. But you've been around long enough, Sutton, to know that you're not being greeted like this. Southern hospitality. You don't have your friend's house. Go get your hot dog. Go get your drink with the vodka.

[Tamara Judge]

Watermelon drink.

[Dolores Catania]

Scroll on instagram. She goes, I don't know those people. Okay, so go talk to them. So sit and don't be all upset, but did you notice this shrine when you walked in?

[Tamara Judge]

Yes, I noted the shrine. I noticed the shrine.

[Dolores Catania]

I don't think he's coming back.

[Tamara Judge]

He ain't coming back.

[Dolores Catania]

He ain't coming back. I could have told you that at that lunch.

[Tamara Judge]

I could have told you that last time.

[Dolores Catania]

I had tears from somebody before. Yeah, I've sat across somebody. You know who said it last year? I hate to tell you, Paul Connell, but. Paul Connell said it, but he was sitting across from her. And I'm jumping, but I have to say he had nothing behind his eyes when they were sitting at that lunch. And he had his nice little leather jacket on and probably his new cologne. And he was thinking about how much time he's got before he gets in trouble for being there too long. You know what I'm saying? I think so. And Dorit was like, but wait, why aren't we going to talk anymore? All the time. But we're talking every day and he's like, that's going to stop. And I was like, oh, Dorit.

[Tamara Judge]

Uh huh. It's over, girl. It is over.

[Dolores Catania]

And it's scary and I want to be there for her and I could talk to her. I know this is my shtick. Okay? But she's got bows and she's got Erika Jane who's got her back.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, she's got a lot of great friends. I mean, Kyle's a great friend to her. I mean, they went through their stuff.

[Dolores Catania]

But she's going through her stuff.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. And the thing is, is like, they're both going through It. They could join forces. They can become very close. They can bond over this.

[Dolores Catania]

They can bond. They don't need to break up now. And I.

[Tamara Judge]

They don't need to fight over it.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, listen, there's a lot of. There's a lot of water, bad water under the bridge there. I see a lot of resentment in Dory, more than Kyle.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

And Kyle kind of doesn't even know where it's coming from, but I've seen it over the years, and I know what I'm talking about. And you could probably figure out what I'm talking about. Like, I just feel like. Yeah. And. And I. I think that Dorit's letting it out a little bit at a time. Like when they were fighting on the couch and she was like, she's. And then they made up again. So let me.

[Tamara Judge]

But I kind. I'm sorry, but I kind of feel like Dorit's acting a little bit this year.

[Dolores Catania]

I think she's got, like, a little bit, like, I got my bows back. Bo has my back. She's fighting. So I'm going to show, like, I'm going to be, like, a little bit. You know, I think she's a little.

[Tamara Judge]

Over the top this season. You know, last year, there was rumors before this show was cast that maybe she wasn't back because she wasn't giving enough. I mean, bless her heart.

[Dolores Catania]

She wasn't.

[Tamara Judge]

She was. Bless her heart. She is giving a lot, and she is making the show interesting.

[Dolores Catania]

She was dressed well.

[Tamara Judge]

She's always.

[Dolores Catania]

Listen, listen, Dory, you're gonna be fine. Let him go. Bye. Let him go.

[Tamara Judge]

And then Dorit says, Kyle and Sutton, first to arrive is awkward. Dorit takes Sutton's purse, joking, saying she owes it to her. I'm like, okay, I don't understand quite that, but that makes you happy.

[Dolores Catania]

Listen, Dori, I think, is in an awkward little bit of a time now. So it was like. I think she's sometimes awkward because of what she's going through. She gets madder than she should about certain things. She says things that don't land right. Totally. I think she's going through an awkward time because what she.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't personally know Doritos well enough.

[Dolores Catania]

Really.

[Tamara Judge]

Not at all. Just from, you know, high by whatever to know. Like, is this her stress level? Is this her acting is. You know what I mean? Like, I don't.

[Dolores Catania]

I'll probably know all about, like, I think. I think a little bit of everything. I think she could be a little bit of an actor, but I think it's a little bit of everything.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, she's so pretty. It really doesn't matter.

[Dolores Catania]

So Garcelle, six languages.

[Tamara Judge]

It's crazy.

[Dolores Catania]

Bar none, the best dressed housewife. So I just want to say that.

[Tamara Judge]

How much money?

[Dolores Catania]

I also want to say three. You're gonna be fine. Let them go. Bye.

[Tamara Judge]

Bye. How much money do you think she spends on clothes?

[Dolores Catania]

A lot. She spends a lot. But she ain't gonna be spending. Guess what? She ain't gonna be spending that. Any.

[Tamara Judge]

She's gonna have to recycle those.

[Dolores Catania]

She's gonna have to be recycling. And she's gonna have to get over it. And she's gonna have to remember who she is because.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

Who. You know, be who she is married to him is over. Really going to be really soon.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, for sure.

[Dolores Catania]

Because I don't think he's going to have the kind of money given to her that she's used to. It's not going to be.

[Tamara Judge]

I think that's going to be her biggest shell shock. It's going to be a shell shock to her when the money's not there.

[Dolores Catania]

She likes those things. I could live without, let me tell you. I could live on.

[Tamara Judge]

I can live on target. I can live on Target clothes. I don't give a shit. I really don't.

[Dolores Catania]

That's gonna be.

[Tamara Judge]

But the fashion's her thing. Fashion.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, she's got enough to live off for a while, but it's gonna run out. Yeah, I think she's scared of that.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, I'm sure she is. Garcelle asked Sutton what she is drinking and if there's an alcohol in it. Therese Dorit questions why she would ask if there's alcohol in it. It's Sutton.

[Dolores Catania]

I know, but that was a trigger.

[Tamara Judge]

I know. And then Sutton says dorit. She shut up. You're such a. I. I love when Sutton gets like this. You're such a Dorit tells set not to call her a bitch at my house.

[Dolores Catania]

How about don't call me a. At all? How about in my house on the street? But no, but she kind of like, Dorit asked for that.

[Tamara Judge]

She did. I mean, was Garcelle being shady when she asked Sutton if there was alcohol in the drink?

[Dolores Catania]

No.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't know.

[Dolores Catania]

I don't think she was being shady. I think sometimes she just said because.

[Tamara Judge]

It was like a fruity drink, so she might think like, oh, I don't.

[Dolores Catania]

Think it was shady. I think she just. But would. Would Sutton drink if it wasn't?

[Tamara Judge]

No.

[Dolores Catania]

She likes her liquor.

[Tamara Judge]

She likes her vodka. Now, we all know that Sutton does like her vodka, but what she doesn't like is to be called out about her drinking. It's very triggering to her. So Sutton leaves and Garcelle and Kyle follow. Dorit says, run after the little cry.

[Dolores Catania]

She was hysterical, though.

[Tamara Judge]

I know.

[Dolores Catania]

Hysterical.

[Tamara Judge]

I know. But then Dorit doubles down and she's like, run after the little crybaby and make sure you have a drink in her. Make sure she has a drink in her hand. And then Sutton says, she was just being nice, drinking the nasty ass watermelon drink. And I'm like, there you go. There you go. She was blaming on the alcohol.

[Dolores Catania]

She was being very southern. She was being polite by drinking her nasty drink. I would have been polite by eating three kosher hot dogs, because that's what I like to do.

[Tamara Judge]

I would rather eat the hot dogs than drink the fruity drinks. I'm not. But I do. I do agree with Dorit. When someone has such a big reaction about something, there's a reason. It's a trigger for whatever the reason is.

[Dolores Catania]

They're not wanting to be their number one. Well, you know, I know what you're saying. I go, I know what you're saying. But. Well, listen, nobody. If there is a little bit of a thing, nobody wants to be called out for it. Like, right, Leave me alone. If I want to drink, if I want to be an alcoholic. As long as I'm not driving, am I bothered?

[Tamara Judge]

Let me. Let me.

[Dolores Catania]

Let me talk about it. And you know what? I don't like you mention it, so don't bother me about it. I like to drink. Yes. Don't talk about it.

[Tamara Judge]

Like, why wouldn't do it. Think Kyle was going to go chase after Sutton. Like, Dorit's been nothing but nasty to Kyle this season. She's been pretty rough.

[Dolores Catania]

I don't know if you lashing out on her.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't know if you know this, but you know how Kyle text pk.

[Dolores Catania]

I do, I do. I saw that whole thing. I was.

[Tamara Judge]

Listen to this. She also text Dorit at the same time.

[Dolores Catania]

It was a group chat or it was.

[Tamara Judge]

No, it was two separate texts.

[Dolores Catania]

Okay.

[Tamara Judge]

But Dorit is acting like that never happened. And it's like you're. It's not like Kyle was going and texting, you know, being more of a friend than her. Yes. So, yeah. So it was.

[Dolores Catania]

It was like.

[Tamara Judge]

But. But Dorit leaned in on it. It's like, don't lean in on it.

[Dolores Catania]

She did.

[Tamara Judge]

Come on. She.

[Dolores Catania]

She, like, she jumped all over that. And. And Doreet is playing on the attention that Bose is giving her.

[Tamara Judge]

But Dorit, like, yeah, I get it. Like, you text me. Thank you, I appreciate. And you text him. Like, that's nice. But no, she's leaning into, how dare you text him and not me?

[Dolores Catania]

Well, now. Well, it's a different story. When they both got the text, why didn't they say that? Why wasn't that said?

[Tamara Judge]

I don't know. Well, I know that Kyle has been vulnerable and, you know, like, doing. Talking to people. And Teddy, you know, said, I saw the text. Kyle showed me the text. So. And then Bose comes in and she's calling the text.

[Dolores Catania]

Do we know what the text was?

[Tamara Judge]

I can't remember. It was just like, I'm thinking about you. You know, I know this is a hard time type of text.

[Dolores Catania]

And they both got it.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, got it. Yeah. So Bose is coming in, calling everybody bitches, which probably wasn't the best timing because Sutton's, you know, right out on.

[Dolores Catania]

The heels of somebody being called a bitch.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

Which is, first of all, by the way, in New Jersey, that's a. That's like saying hello. Being called A is like, okay, you're called.

[Tamara Judge]

That's why I've always said if I could go to any other housewife show, it would be Jersey. Because you guys can take and turn it around and just be like, okay, okay, okay. Yeah, whatever.

[Dolores Catania]

Hello. Yeah, hi.

[Tamara Judge]

Exactly. Yeah, exactly.

[Dolores Catania]

Your mother's a. You. Your mother.

[Tamara Judge]

Fuck you. Go your mother. Exactly. I personally don't get offended by that kind of stuff.

[Dolores Catania]

And if I. But if I said. If I was Dorit, and I said to her, and then she said, don't be a bitch. And then that's when Dorit should have said, sorry if I offended you. I didn't mean it. Okay, let's not. Let's not. Let's start over.

[Tamara Judge]

Let's start over.

[Dolores Catania]

Let's start over.

[Tamara Judge]

That ain't happening. So both walked over to Sutton, Kyle and Garcelle and confronts them about congregating in the front of Dorit's house. Garcelle tells Bose to stop being Dorit's spokesperson. Bo says Sutton is being coddled. Why is it okay for Garcelle to speak for Sutton but Bose can't speak for Dorit? So. So those two can be friends and have each other's back. The other two can't. It's not. Okay. Double standard. Double standard.

[Dolores Catania]

Tamara, we're in the fucking world of double standard. This is housewives. I know it is Double standard. Triple, quadruple fucking standard around here it is. What else is new?

[Tamara Judge]

I know, I know. Then Garcelle asked Bose where her spirit of sisterhood was when she called them rude. Bo says that I was doing you a favor.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, yeah, good comeback, Bose.

[Tamara Judge]

Exactly.

[Dolores Catania]

I was doing you a favor by telling you you were rude. Because sisters tell each other when they're rude. Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

That being upfront is sisterhood. Garcia feels Bose is telling them what to do about Dorit when she doesn't know anything. It is a little weird, I'm gonna say. Bose just came into this group. She's made her opinion about Kyle, who's the sweetest person, and she's really latched on to Dorit, which is fine. We all find her people. We all have our chemistry with other people. But to make opinions about Kyle when maybe Kyle's not the type that spills her guts in the first 15 seconds, you may say.

[Dolores Catania]

And I thought that, too, because not everybody is going to sit there. And Kyle isn't typically like that or inherently that type of person. It doesn't make her a bad. Now, that's been misjudged as being a lack of a friend in other places, but you know what I mean, I've seen that even in our world, very early on, early Jersey, when everything was going on with Theresa, who really did it, doesn't speak about things because she detaches herself from them when she's going through them. It doesn't mean she's not your friend because she's not telling you something. It's how she handles something. So you have to recognize that. And Bo seems to be a very wise, smart person that I would expect her to understand that.

[Tamara Judge]

Right.

[Dolores Catania]

It's not personal. Kyle isn't opening up to her because it's not personal. Kyle isn't really one to open up about things in general for a while. I mean, we know this. We know it.

[Tamara Judge]

Right? And that's okay.

[Dolores Catania]

It's not always easy to articulate what you're going through, either. Hard time with it, or maybe as.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm getting older, I'm like, I used to just spill my mouth and tell everybody things. And, you know, sometimes they've stabbed me in the back about it. I'm learning to say less, to say less.

[Dolores Catania]

Like, maybe when I was raised, I.

[Tamara Judge]

Should be like, I know when I meet somebody, should I just, you know, blow my wad right there?

[Dolores Catania]

Well, because.

[Tamara Judge]

But I. I have. In the past.

[Dolores Catania]

I know. Well, this is me now, right, Tamara? So I'm at A family party. And I come from, you know. You know what I come from?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

And. And, like, I start talking my business at a party, like, to one of my aunts and, like, somebody they brought. And my mother's looking at me like, what the fuck are you saying? What are you opening your mouth for? Why are you telling your. These people your business? I'm like, so what, Ma? And my brother's like, keep your mouth shut. And I'm like, I'm just talking about, like, something I'm going through. My family's embarrassed. Like.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

It's not, like, really that normal.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. And, you know, and I'm. I come kind of from the opposite where, you know, my. My mom will meet somebody and just spill her guts. You know, I know my dad.

[Dolores Catania]

I enjoy your mother. When. When you got your face done and she said it looked like. My friend said, you look like you fell off your motorcycle.

[Tamara Judge]

Yes.

[Dolores Catania]

That was hysterical. Get a. I need more of your mother.

[Tamara Judge]

She's. She's as raw as they come. So she'll just say, oh, my God. My. I sometimes like, mom, shut up. Stop it. She, like, she'll. She looks really ugly. I'm like, mom, stop. What happened to her? She got hit. She got hit with the ugly stick.

[Dolores Catania]

She even says it about.

[Tamara Judge]

She.

[Dolores Catania]

About you say about me, but. No, but I like that.

[Tamara Judge]

My mom, she's like, you know where you stand when you have somebody like that in your life. You may not like it, but you know where you stand.

[Dolores Catania]

And I'm that way. But my family's not. And Kyle's just not that way. She's not.

[Tamara Judge]

No. She's going through a lot. She's getting accused of a lot of shit. Like, just leave her alone. She's trying to figure out, this woman was married almost 30 years. 30 fucking years.

[Dolores Catania]

That's like losing an appendage.

[Tamara Judge]

Yes. It's like losing a goddamn leg.

[Dolores Catania]

A fucking leg.

[Tamara Judge]

Yes. And one arm after 20.

[Dolores Catania]

It's an extra appendage.

[Tamara Judge]

It's an extra arm. Maybe even a year.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah. No, for real. For real. And that's the thing. And it's. And it's scary. She's, like, going through a lot with her own self and questioning herself on things. And. Yes, it's a lot. And. And here's. You know what got me. I'm going to tell you what got me, because I've been there. She's like, I'm going home. I'm on a trip. When they were at Sutton's mother's house, she goes, now it's time for me to go home to an empty house.

[Tamara Judge]

I know. It gave me chills.

[Dolores Catania]

And I remember being newly single, and I had to go somewhere with my kids by myself. And then the plane landed, and I looked at my phone and nobody checked on me to see if I landed. And it broke my heart. Of course, I never. And I picked up my two little kids, and I got off the plane and got myself home, and no one cared if I got home. And that no one's calling her to say, did you land or. And she know, and that's really, really hard. And I. I felt for her there in that moment. I felt for her. I knew it.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, I'll tell you one thing. I've always known Kyle, and she's always been kind to me. But going through what you know is going on right now. You know, we're reaching out to each other, we're on a group chat, but we also text each other and call. And she is such a good person, and Teddi loves her so much, and I. And, you know, she's like, anytime you need to talk, she goes, I'm not sleeping. Call me. Do whatever. Like, you know, because it's. You feel so helpless when your friend's in the hospital and there's nothing you.

[Dolores Catania]

Can do, and she's going through this alone also now. I mean, it's. You have Your friend. She has to learn how to lean on her friends now when she's had a husband for all this time and she was crazy for him, I could. I mean, she loved him.

[Tamara Judge]

She loved him.

[Dolores Catania]

She loved her life. She loved her family. She loved the. She's really. She.

[Tamara Judge]

Big change. Big giant.

[Dolores Catania]

She's going through a big, huge change, and now, you know, she could use a little shoulder to cry on and. Because her friend is very sick, who she loves very much, and she doesn't have it. So, yeah, you know, I've met Kyle, and she's not that talkative when you meet her.

[Tamara Judge]

No, I will admit, when I met her for the first time, this was years ago, I felt like she was a little bit standoffish. I know she did say, you know what I mean?

[Dolores Catania]

She felt. I met her for the first time at Andy's baby shower.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, really? By that time, I had known her well enough that, you know, we. We would chat and talk like that. But the first time, I. Maybe I was a little intimidated by her, too. Maybe it was me. I don't know, because, you know, she's Kyle Richards and, you know, and her.

[Dolores Catania]

She.

[Tamara Judge]

I Don't know.

[Dolores Catania]

I'm very. When you meet me, I hug you, I kiss you. I. I try to figure out, even if I don't know you, I'll very quickly figure something out about you to keep a conversation. She's not that. She's not for me.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm not kissing your ass, but you're one of the sweetest.

[Dolores Catania]

Oh, thank you. No, thank you.

[Tamara Judge]

Women.

[Dolores Catania]

I know, but I didn't find her. I found her to be a little standoffish for what my taste is, for what I am, what I'm used to. New Jersey people are like, I'll tackle you when I see you. You know, and very like, she's different. It doesn't make her not the sweetest person in the world because everybody, leave her alone.

[Tamara Judge]

Bows, you gotta get to know her.

[Dolores Catania]

Give her.

[Tamara Judge]

You gotta get to know her, you know? But what we do know is that Erica loves a good hot dog. So she's over there. She's like. She's just like.

[Dolores Catania]

She was trying to eat it, like such a lady.

[Tamara Judge]

And she looked cute as hell in that outfit. And she's just watching the shit go down, eating her hot dog. And all I can think is, I hope Oscar Mayer is giving Erica.

[Dolores Catania]

She made that look so good. I'm gonna. There's a famous hot dog place down the street. Erica, you bitch. I'm going. Because you made that look so good with the pickles. I'm going down the street.

[Tamara Judge]

I wanted a hot dog after I watched it.

[Dolores Catania]

I bet you didn't. I'm going to get one today, even with my stomach ache.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, no. I love a good hot dog once a year, I'll tell you that. And then Bose brings up to Kyle how she feels. She is distant and cold. Kyle says she feels Bose has loyalty automatically to Dorit, not her. So Kyle feels, you know, that she's kind of given her a hard time. She's being super judgy about her and. And she's like, you haven't. You haven't even met me. Yeah, she is. I know.

[Dolores Catania]

And then. And it was funny because she put her in her place, though, Tamara, because she said, that's funny. I didn't have the same experience with us. I felt that you and I spoke very much. And she did go see her. She sent her flowers. Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

I was just gonna say, let's not forget she went to go see her after she had surgery. She bought her flowers.

[Dolores Catania]

Flowers. And, you know. So Bose was a little judgmental. I think she needs to take a step back it's okay.

[Tamara Judge]

And get to know her in this world, Bose.

[Dolores Catania]

It's not being. I don't feel that it's being disloyal to a friend to actually get to know someone and, like, find out who they are. On your own.

[Tamara Judge]

For sure. For sure. But then in comes Kathy, and she is just comedy relief. She's Kathy, comedy relief with the lipstick, the outfits.

[Dolores Catania]

She always has something out. I like her.

[Tamara Judge]

When we were at the charity event in New York. Yes. She was sitting at the table with. With all of us. And I. I got to know her a little bit better. And she. She's.

[Dolores Catania]

She's sweet, she's kooky, she's sweet, she's funny.

[Tamara Judge]

She's good tv.

[Dolores Catania]

She's great tv.

[Tamara Judge]

Just to sprinkle in. I don't think we need her full time. Just sprinkle her in.

[Dolores Catania]

She doesn't need to be full time. Anything. But she is. I really like her and I met her. I think she's funny. I think she does care about her sister very much.

[Tamara Judge]

Yes.

[Dolores Catania]

I've seen her be there for her. The way I liked seeing it. I thought it was. I said, she's gotten mad at Mauricio for things like, as a sister should do. That's sisterhood. That sisterhood. And, you know, she's just funny and she doesn't like when people fight. She tries to make a joke about it. I don't even know if she's.

[Tamara Judge]

She'd taken a mountain out of a mole. What was she saying? I was dying.

[Dolores Catania]

So, you know, and she could have jumped in on that. That's my. That's her sister. But you know what?

[Tamara Judge]

You know what else I liked? I liked when Bose. When she had the little dinner party last year, last week, and Bose is like, I think your sister's cold. Which I thought was so inappropriate to say that to her sister. And Kathy stuck up for Kyle.

[Dolores Catania]

She didn't. But in a way where she tried to explain.

[Tamara Judge]

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[Dolores Catania]

Like. She just tried to explain it. She didn't say.

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[Tamara Judge]

So then we move on to dorit. Ask kyle if they are moving backwards. After their conversation about starting fresh and clean, dorit feels she is being clawed at. Kyle says they both need to build from scratch. Dorit is getting kind of on my last nerve with us. She has been going after kyle all season and it's not like kyle's going after her. Like, give her some grace. Everybody is clawing. Everybody's clawing at kyle, honestly. And it's just dorit.

[Dolores Catania]

Stop.

[Tamara Judge]

Just stop. I'm getting on my last nerve.

[Dolores Catania]

Here's what I feel like. I feel like dorit is taking all the years of where because she needed a friend on the show. That sometimes she kept her mouth shut about how she felt about something kyle did. Because I feel like she kind of was more of a friend to kyle at times. I just feel that way. Just a different what I've seen. Maybe I'm wrong and dorit ate it. And now dorit is like projectile vomiting. All these pent up feelings.

[Tamara Judge]

Yes, yes.

[Dolores Catania]

All at once. So if kyle wants to understand, that's where it's coming from. It's not even about her divorce. This is. Now I have another friend on the show. Bosed. Now I'm going to tell you how I feel. Like I'm. Well, now I got backup.

[Tamara Judge]

No, I have backup.

[Dolores Catania]

I've been mad at you so many times all these years and I had to shut up because I didn't have another friend on the show. So now I'm going to take it out all my. And. And kyle's being very patient about it.

[Tamara Judge]

She is. I mean, she. It's been a tough season for her. It really has.

[Dolores Catania]

You know, we've all had it.

[Tamara Judge]

We've all gone through it. Some are tougher than others.

[Dolores Catania]

Some are tougher than others.

[Tamara Judge]

Sometimes I feel like, you know, editors might push a little too hard in one direction because that really hurts somebody. It hurts somebody.

[Dolores Catania]

It has to make sense. Sometimes they have to do what they have to do.

[Tamara Judge]

But I know they're making a show.

[Dolores Catania]

True. But for the most part, I always say we. It's. It's on us too. Like if we act like an asshole, they're not superimposing our face on somebody else.

[Tamara Judge]

We act like an asshole a hundred percent. A hundred percent.

[Dolores Catania]

Again, that's being self aware. Just saying.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, there's definitely things that can get switched around. But if it comes out of your mouth, it comes out of your mouth.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, we had something.

[Tamara Judge]

You did it. We had. Years ago, an old friend of mine came on to, to the show like he was ex friend of mine and he went to a party and it was planted. He came, you might remember, he said that Eddie was gay and he saw him make out with a guy and all of a sudden, well, when Eddie went through his heart procedures, he reached out to him and told him. I didn't say that. It was all editing and all this stuff. And Eddie's like, I'm like, if it came out of your mouth, it came out of your mouth.

[Dolores Catania]

You know what? That's somebody that regretted that moment.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

He wished it didn't come out of his mouth.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

But it does. You can't. That's our. The risk. This isn't the most glamorous life as the way it looks sometimes, but it's a beautiful life. We're very lucky to have what we have. I don't take it for granted ever. A day I just remind myself I don't have it right now at this moment.

[Tamara Judge]

But you're going to have it.

[Dolores Catania]

I hope so. But I mean just, just saying there's such a risk that comes with it. That's the. Nothing's for free. And the biggest price we pay here is the risk of people and ruining families. Kids going through stuff. People coming out of the woodwork coming for you because they want your spot or they want.

[Tamara Judge]

Every one of your haters. Every one of your haters is going to reach out to one of your cast members, you know, and try to give them some information about you that's.

[Dolores Catania]

One sided, like it happened 25 years ago. And you know what I do know?

[Tamara Judge]

I remind myself when I'm starting to feel down about being attacked and stuff like that, I'm like, you know what? I've been here, I've been on this show for, well, it's been 17 years since I started Bravo. And I've been here for my kids. I've been here and I haven't had to get up at 6 in the morning, get ready, drive to a job, sit at a desk all day long, drive home. You know, I haven't had to do that. So that's when I'm like, when I.

[Dolores Catania]

Think, God, we're very lucky.

[Bose]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

So when I think about that, you know, okay, yes, it's hard. It's hard being attacked all the time, but.

[Dolores Catania]

But I've also worked four jobs, slept without a pillow And a blanket not to get too comfortable because I knew I had to be up in two hours. Yeah, I know. I don't. And I don't. And like, you say, like, your heart goes out too, because I've been there. I know. So, yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

And not saying that we don't work our ass off, like.

[Dolores Catania]

No, you work. You work. But it's also stress. There's a lot of stress, and there's a lot of risk that comes with this job and every day. And you can fall from grace very easily.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, trust me. I know. When you're gone, you're gone. I'm all, hello, remember me? Over here. Oh, my God. But, you know, at the end of the episode, Dorit and Kyle sit down and talk inside. Kyle is surprised to see a mess in the house and says this shows her where Dorit is in life because she's always super meticulous. Yes. I mean, the way she dresses, her house is beautiful. Dorit asked Kyle how she's doing. Kyle says they have been in denial and go about their lives like they are still family, which they are. Dorit says PK lives with the thought of separating and was mentally ready. Like, he just. He's. He's ready to go on. And she knows it. She absolutely knows it. Dorit still finds she is digesting at all.

[Dolores Catania]

She.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't think she's there yet. I think she. You know, some might call that denial, baby steps, I don't know. But she knows that PK is ready to move on, and she's still holding on. These two girls, I love seeing bonding over there. What they're going through right now, it was. I love it.

[Dolores Catania]

A great moment. They have history and the. I think. And you can tell me if I'm wrong. Tamara, the biggest. The most important thing when two friends are going through struggle is the history that they have that will bring them back together.

[Tamara Judge]

Yes.

[Dolores Catania]

Like, what we have together is worth keeping. You know, not somebody you met a year ago who hasn't been through hard times with you, hasn't been through the. In the trenches and turned on you. No, I don't need to fucking make up with you. You and I got nothing. We're good. You go your way, I go mine. Life's hard enough. My book is filled with friends. I just went through something like that.

[Tamara Judge]

But.

[Dolores Catania]

But. But these girls have history, and they've been through stuff together. They have secrets. They know when the body. Where the bodies are buried. There's. This is worth holding on to because their marriages, unfortunately aren't Right now.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. They're not on each other.

[Dolores Catania]

They're not. They can. They're going to need each other now more than ever. And the. And how close they were at one time. And respect the friendship you had.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

Even though it's not like it. And you respect what you had when you had it.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Now I see, like, Kyle and Risa have been together for so long, almost 30 years, that divorce probably scares them. Yeah. They are separated and they're living separate lives, but neither one of them are ready for divorce yet. And I think it's safer for them to still be connected in that way and not be like, oh, we're divorced now. I mean, obviously, they're moving on. But what I took. Interesting to see. Interesting to see where this goes.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, what I took from that is, like Kyle said, I'm not gonna. I mean, he's showing up at the airport with naked girls, but like Kyle said, I'm not gonna go on much further. Further like this.

[Tamara Judge]

I want closure.

[Dolores Catania]

She wants closure. Right now. She's in limbo, and it sucks. This is purgatory. This is like the other side of this. Girls. I want them to both know the other side of this. You have falling in love to look forward to all over again. Whether that's on your mind or not. You have peace in your life right now. Your life is not peaceful because you're still married to somebody who, like, you know, Dorit said. Is he living the life of a single man, by the way? Dorit? Yes, I'm sure. But. But, you know, you. You. You girls, like, it's a hard time, but it gets better. It does get better. The hardest part is over, believe it or not, until, of course, the money hits.

[Tamara Judge]

You know, it's still somebody that you loved. It's somebody that's the father of your children. And things like, it's difficult situation. If you want it or not, it is hard.

[Dolores Catania]

100%. Kyle and Mauricio will be fine. Their family is still intact. It's fine. Their lives will move on. They'll have other people in their lives. They'll accept them. That's going to be fine. Dory. I don't know if she'll have that with pk. Tamara.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't think so. I don't.

[Dolores Catania]

Because he's already saying, we can't talk every day. Why? Who said why?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, we have kids. Why can't we talk every day? I know, but. So at the end of the episode, they flash up headlines and photos of Mauricio being caught With a mysterious woman. She's half naked, like you said. She's in. Where were they? Grease or someplace like that. So he's going to meet this girl. Was. Clearly, it's somebody he's been, you know, with for a while. She's picking him up at the airport. She looks to be about half his age, at least. And, you know. And Erica, what do you think they're.

[Dolores Catania]

Going to be doing?

[Tamara Judge]

I know exactly.

[Dolores Catania]

Holding their dick if you're not with them.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

It wasn't PK away for like a month, 30 to 40 days. Like, wasn't he. I don't know. Yeah, yeah. He was, like, in London for like a. Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

He goes. He goes to London, you know, put.

[Dolores Catania]

Your little lip gloss on Doritos and get out of your closet and get on the plane and go see what's going on. At some point, if that's what you want, if you don't care. But eventually, you keep letting that happen without showing up.

[Tamara Judge]

It's gonna happen. But Erica calls Kyle, and Kyle said she did not know this was coming. She had no idea. None at all?

[Dolores Catania]

No. I mean, Mauricio is not saying. Oh, yeah. So, Kyle, the new girl is going to be picking me up from the airport. Don't worry, I got a ride. I know you're worried, but I got it. No, no.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, I got it.

[Dolores Catania]

Not happening.

[Tamara Judge]

But also, I gotta ask you this. Why was there a paparazzi at the airport in the baggage claim? Was that in Greece?

[Dolores Catania]

Or was that just somebody? Or was that the girl letting everyone know, look who I got?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, I. I shouldn't say that because I don't know where the picture originated from. I don't know if it was somebody's eyes.

[Dolores Catania]

Right. You know what? I. What? It could have been somebody.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, was it a fan in Greece?

[Dolores Catania]

Listen.

[Tamara Judge]

Ah. They looked everywhere. I know, but it looked too staged.

[Dolores Catania]

I mean, like, I could be like a conspiracy theorist and say, you know what? That girl likes him a lot. And she wanted everyone to know what was going on. I'm here, and I got him. Some girls, you know, want to say I'm staking my cl. You know? What is it? Piss on like a dog.

[Tamara Judge]

Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, this is my spot. Yeah, Mark on your spot.

[Dolores Catania]

Because was there. Let me ask now, was there any other pictures from that vacation that leaked?

[Tamara Judge]

I don't know. I don't know. I didn't really.

[Dolores Catania]

I don't think so. We would have known.

[Tamara Judge]

None that I see or none that.

[Dolores Catania]

I remember, but it could also just have been. I mean, it's really hard. Like, Kyle and Dorit sat on that couch. It's really hard for people, for them to do things and not know it, because she says, I don't know if Dorit's. I mean, Dorit said, I don't know if PK's with other people.

[Tamara Judge]

And that's when somebody. A picture will be taken that. You know what I mean? Like, once you're on a platform like this and people know who you are, you know, I get messages, like, Eddie would go with one of our trainer girls, you know, out to lunch, you know, during work. And I'd be like, your husband is at a restaurant with da da, da, da. I'm like, yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[Dolores Catania]

It could have just been somebody in the airport. Tamara. That's. I'm kind of more lean in towards that.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Well, I thank you so much. This is so fun, and I just appreciate you stepping in.

[Dolores Catania]

Of course. Thank you for having me and Teddy. I love you, Teddy. We love you.

[Tamara Judge]

Yep. We love you, everybody. We ask you just keep praying for. For Teddy.

[Dolores Catania]

We need prayers.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, we need lots of prayers. And thank you so much.

[Dolores Catania]

Thank you.

[Tamara Judge]

And you're gonna be back. You're gonna be back.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, I'd love that. I would love that. I'm just a seat warmer. I'm just keeping the seat warm.

[Tamara Judge]

Yep, yep. We're not. Nobody's replacing Teddy. No, there is.

[Dolores Catania]

No. The two of you together are amazing. The chemistry is amazing. And I just love you both so much.

[Tamara Judge]

I just love her so much.

[Dolores Catania]

And I. It's easier for me to say, I love you too.

[Tamara Judge]

I know. You know, it's like, I love her so much, and it's like, we can. At this point, we spend so much time, like, on the podcast together, we can finish each other's sentences. We start starting to look alike, like. And I told her, I said, I'm going to tell you right now, if my period comes back because of you.

[Dolores Catania]

Done. Friendships over. Don't worry, you won't be getting that from me. Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay. That ship sailed a long time ago.

[Dolores Catania]

Same.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay, Dolores, I'll talk to you soon.

[Dolores Catania]

Bye.

[Tamara Judge]

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