LIVESTREAM: UAP Files NightLine (Sunday 9th August 2026)

Summary

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UAP Files Podcast – NightLine Livestream: Sunday 9th August 2026

Host: Jimmy (UAP Files Podcast)
Guests:

• Kyle Knopp (Electronics Mechanic, US Space Force, veteran USAF/Lockheed)
• Ezra Kelderman (Systems Engineer, Harvard Galileo Project)
• Phil (Commercial Pilot)
  Date: August 10, 2026
  Episode: Interactive panel and open Q&A on the latest in UAP research, technology, whistleblowers, and current controversies.

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EPISODE OVERVIEW

A lively, audience-driven roundtable exploring trending topics in the UFO/UAP world. Jimmy brings together a panel of insiders—military/UAP witness, scientist/data analyst, and pilot—to answer listener questions, dissect new revelations (like Robert Bigelow’s confessions and Haim Eshed’s claims), and address the state of disclosure, whistlebowing, and recent leaks. The episode blends skepticism and insider insight with direct accounts and open banter.

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PANEL INTRODUCTIONS & FORMAT (01:00–04:53)

Jimmy sets the scene:
Plans for this first “NightLine” live stream include tackling listener-submitted questions, exploring new cases, playing voicemail clips, and breaking down new developments (01:00).
Panel intros:

• Kyle Knopp (02:17): US Space Force electronics/radar tech, ex-USAF/Lockheed, firsthand black triangle UAP witness.
• Ezra Kelderman (03:40): Systems engineer/project manager for Harvard’s Galileo Project, called “probably the world’s lead in UFO data collection” by Jimmy.
• Phil (04:10): Commercial pilot, past medevac experience, previous UAP witness.

Jimmy explains the live, unscripted Q&A flow, encouraging chat and voicemail participation from the audience.

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SEGMENT 1: NDAs, WHISTLEBLOWERS & THE UAP DISCLOSURE ACT (07:33–13:16)

Jimmy asks the panel for thoughts on the recent talk of NDA waivers and whistleblower amnesty (07:33):

• Clip: Rep. Burleson discussing the UAP Disclosure Act and the push for default declassification after 25 years (08:30).

Kyle’s take:

• No formal NDA or classified setting in his case: “They just straight up called me normal and I answered, and then I just talked about it... There was never an NDA. There was never any of that crap.” (09:44)
• No pushback or warnings—even asked to “find other people and talk about it.”
• Surprised by focus on NDAs: “It seems silly to me.” (09:44)

Ezra’s view:

• Sees a widespread misconception that NDA-waiving would lead to immediate, total disclosure.
• “We still have this gatekeeper middleman to get through... it’s an up and down of trust.” (11:12)
• Doesn’t see procedural change as likely to produce dramatic new revelations.

Jimmy summarizes:

• Continues confusion about what NDA waivers really allow.
• Suggests protections still don’t materially change what can be told publicly, though it “sounds like a step forward.” (11:59)

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SEGMENT 2: Haim Eshed, THE “GALACTIC FEDERATION,” & MEDIA IGNORING KEY WHISTLEBLOWERS (15:20–33:27)

Listener Question/Clip:
Why aren’t Haim Eshed’s claims (former head of Israeli space, “Galactic Federation”) taken more seriously in the US? (13:16, 15:20)

Jimmy recounts difficulties getting Eshed for the podcast, Eshed’s sudden reappearance alongside Uri Geller, and plays a rare recent clip (16:37–20:02):

• Eshed describes being approached by “Men in Black,” claims he has a mission to share more “when humanity is ready,” and reiterates the existence of the Galactic Federation.

Panel Reaction:

• Phil: Jokes, “Can they lower my taxes?” and expresses skepticism about vague, recurring claims (25:01).
• Kyle: Skeptical about the lack of documentation, “all I know is I have a lot of hippie dippies... talking about the Galactic Federation.” (27:28)
• Ezra: Notes the “Law of One”/metaphysical origins—and “we need more from him... for now, you just have to table it.” (31:27)

Consensus:

• The story received initial mainstream interest but faded.
• No documentary or official evidence connects “Galactic Federation” claims to released UAP documentation.
• Panel is open but cautions against “step 15” speculation when “step 1” (physical/technical evidence) is still so murky.

Memorable Quote:
“If we've got a saucer in a lockup somewhere, why are you showing me this little dot on a FLIR camera?” – Jimmy (33:27)

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SEGMENT 3: DATA, “BLACK TRIANGLES,” AND THE STATE OF THE EVIDENCE (33:27–45:18)

On Evidence & Videos:

• Kyle shares his own black triangle sighting—classic equilateral with three plasma-like lights, much smaller than the “TR3B” size often cited. (41:05)
• Recent DoD tranche releases almost entirely AI-rendered, “cartoon” images, not photos (42:24).
• “Everything’s redacted, isn’t it? ...what can I do with this?” – Jimmy (38:19)

On Data Issues:

• Ezra: The Galileo Project’s own anomalies usually collapse under scrutiny—algorithms can mislead, transponder data usually reveals prosaic explanations (37:00).
• Phil: 90% of UAP videos are likely explainable—“but sometimes there’s really anomalous things.” (35:56)

Mission Frustrations:

• “Every time we try to discuss the tech, they start talking about the Galactic Federation or aliens…” – Kyle (33:05)
• The panel collectively highlights how genuine, evidentiary breakthroughs remain elusive, especially for the “contact” narratives.

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SEGMENT 4: VOICEMAILS & QUESTIONS (45:18–54:35)

• Listener Q: If you could orchestrate disclosure, how would you do it? (46:21)

  • Phil: Open-source the science/inventions, radical transparency.
  • Kyle: Points out the government can and often will seize and classify breakthroughs; urges caution (“have to worry about getting killed by your own government,” 47:33).
  • Ezra/Jimmy: Agree gradual exposure is probably necessary: “Bits and pieces are what’s going to keep the economy from tanking and some of the fears people have...” (49:08)

• Listener Q: What about the tensions and infighting among UFO public figures (“Ulizondo vs. UAP Gerb,” etc.)?

  • Panel voices frustration with speculative personal attacks, secrecy, and the limitations of public discourse: “If you’re going to say something is the case, you have to present some evidence.” – Jimmy (55:01)
  • Kyle shares direct experience with Elizondo, disappointment in his evasiveness and patterns of contact/ghosting. (54:35–57:09)

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SEGMENT 5: ROBERT BIGELOW, SKINWALKER, & “CRASH RETRIEVAL” CLAIMS (61:23–70:00)

Jimmy tees up Bigelow’s new podcast confession; panels break down the implications:

• Bigelow Clip: “For sure, yes,” recovered craft and technology, government contracting to private companies for analysis. (66:17)
• Panel reaction: “He probably knows a lot more than he lets on… that guy would know everything.” – Phil (63:01).
• Ezra: Bigelow’s suggestion that true disclosure needs to come authoritatively from the president (65:22).
• Kyle: Details chain-of-custody rumors around “metamaterial” samples (68:17), but uncertainty about the facts and Bigelow’s motives.

Meta-discussion:

• On UFO-related content as a business: Jimmy provides rare specifics on podcast expenses, sponsorships, and why only the top UFO personalities can make significant income from this work (70:00–74:33).

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SEGMENT 6: RAPID-FIRE Q&A & FAVORITE CASES (76:55–88:20)

• UK Skinwalker equivalent? — Panel: “Probably Stonehenge,” but nothing with formal study or TV coverage (76:55).
• UK psychic/psionic military program? — No documented evidence (77:46).
• Best UFO video/case?
  • Consensus favorites: Kumburgaz/Turkey (Phil/Ezra, 78:28), Phoenix Lights (Ezra adds: “top three cases of all time”).
  • Other mentions: Recent “jellyfish” UAP videos, jetpack man, “magic carpet.”
• Malaysian Flight MH370 orb video controversy:
  • Debate over the authenticity and radical claims of the Ashton Forbes hypothesis and whether plasma-drone orbs could account for the video.
  • Kyle discusses the plausibility and his own sighting of black triangles with orbs.
  • Jimmy: “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence... I can’t get over the fence on that.” (85:23)

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SEGMENT 7: “CATASTROPHIC DISCLOSURE”—WHAT WOULD IT BE? (88:32–94:12)

• Listener Q: What is “catastrophic disclosure” and how might it play out?
  • Ezra: “Somebody that has enough information just going around their NDAs… coming out with it.” Needs to be a group for credibility; catastrophic if it triggers societal upheaval (88:05–89:46).
  • Phil: “When they come down with a big mothership over a few different cities—that’s when you know.” (90:48)
  • Jimmy: Suggests it could be anticlimactic—a leader simply confirms “it’s real” and refuses further detail, sending society into disarray (91:07).
  • Kyle: “Somebody with undeniable evidence, just dumping it all out there.” But even then: “everybody doesn’t believe anybody.” (93:35)

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SEGMENT 8: RAPID WRAP-UP & FINAL THOUGHTS (94:12–99:48)

• Whimsical discussion—if “Greys” or NHI are among us, would they be quietly embedded at places like Harvard (95:38)?
• All reflect on how the field is now so saturated with “crazy” claims that the extraordinary often becomes routine for long-time insiders.
• Memorable moment: “Maybe we’re all just a bunch of robots, you know, who knows?” – Phil (96:15)

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NOTABLE QUOTES & MEMORABLE MOMENTS

• “There was never an NDA. There was never any of that crap.” – Kyle (09:44)
• “We need more from [Eshed] is what it boils down to. For now, you have to table it.” – Ezra (31:27)
• “If we've got a saucer in a lockup somewhere, why are you showing me this little dot...?” – Jimmy (33:27)
• “I’d love to hear more, because maybe that IS disclosure—maybe it’s sat right there and we all just laugh at it because it’s a bit of cake.” – Jimmy on Nazca mummies (51:13)
• “That’s the worst part... you literally have to worry about getting killed by your own government.” – Kyle (47:33)
• “Maybe, we're all just a bunch of robots, who knows?” – Phil (96:15)
• “Somebody with undeniable evidence, dumping it all out there... but everybody doesn’t believe anybody.” – Kyle (93:35)

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FINAL THOUGHTS & CALL TO COMMUNITY

• The episode closes with thanks to the audience, encouragement for continued community participation, and hope for better technical performance in future livestreams.
• Panel expresses interest in more collaboration and advancing disclosure, even as consensus grows that the path forward will remain slow, fraught, and often opaque.

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KEY TIMESTAMPS

| Segment | Topic | Timestamp | |-----------------------|-----------------------------------------------------|------------| | Introductions & Format | Overview & panel intros | 01:00–04:53 | | NDAs/Whistleblowers | “The NDAs have been waived!” discussion | 07:33–13:16 | | Haim Eshed & Galactic Federation| Should we take the “Galactic Federation” seriously? | 15:20–33:27 | | Data/Evidence & Black Triangles | Technical breakdown; black triangle stories | 33:27–45:18 | | Listener Questions | Q&A (Disclosure, Infighting, Merchandise) | 45:18–54:35 | | Robert Bigelow & Skinwalker | Bigelow’s claims; joint efforts in UAP research | 61:23–70:00 | | Best Cases / MH370 | Panel’s favorite videos & modern UAP cases | 76:55–88:20 | | Catastrophic Disclosure | What would “blow the lid off” look like? | 88:32–94:12 | | UFO Archetypes | Are “greys” at Harvard Galileo? (playful close) | 94:12–99:48 | | Closing Remarks | Reflections & gratitude | 99:48–end |

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Overall Tone: Casual, inquisitive, data-centric, irreverent, skeptical but open-minded—a blend of “community roundtable” and seasoned, world-weary insiders discussing a deeply complex and unsolved mystery.

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Transcript

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[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Okay, we should be live now and there's a few people in the chat. I should be able to bring up this live chat guys, for everybody that's in the room. I don't know if you can see there. We've got the live feed from from YouTube that will be in the chats. If you guys click on those that are with me here, we've got Phil, Kyle, Ezra and myself. Let me just run through. So for everybody watching, the plan today really is to go through some stories, go through some questions. I've put a few things out onto onto Instagram and into Substack and TikTok and a few other places that if there's any questions or any subjects that are worthy of conversation and discussion here today, then that would be the best place to send them in. We've got a few audio recordings so some voicemails to play in here as well and a couple of clips that I think will be interesting. Quite, quite newsworthy. There's quite a few people in the chat already, so we'll try and get to some of the messages as we go along. There's a load that have been posted over on Instagram already, so we'll try and get through some of them as well. But first of all, I think if we do a quick introduction. So first of all we've got Kyle Knopp here who is a current Space Force tech or mechanical engineer. How would you describe yourself, Carl?

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

I'm technically electronics mechanic. That's the Title. But I work specifically on the radar, so I'm. And I'm transmitter heavy. So I'm basically like a transmitter guy is what I consider myself.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Cool.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

I do all of it.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

And you were, prior to that, you were 17 years in the U.S. air Force, Lockheed Martin, total everything but the Air Force.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

I only did eight years. I did eight years as a staff sergeant doing com nav at Air Force so AFSOC headquarters. The whole time I was at one spot, Herbert Field, Florida, which is also where I saw my thing, weirdly enough.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, well, we're going to get into that hopefully a bit later on as well. We will talk about that. And there's some. Some black triangles that have come out in the fifth tranche. I love the word tranche. Tranche of files. So that's quite interesting. Now after our conversation last time, Carl, about the black triangle. Okay, we've got Ezra Kelderman. Ezra. Ezra is a systems engineer, project manager at Harvard's Galileo Project and probably the world's lead in UFO data collection, in my opinion. I know that car. I was. I knew that. Ezra's way too humble to say that himself, but that's my opinion anyway. Probably the world's lead, I would say. So thanks very much, Ezra, for joining us. Your expertise is definitely appreciated in this conversation. How are you, man?

[Ezra Kelderman (Systems Engineer, Harvard Galileo Project)]

Doing well. Thanks for having me. Good to be back.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

No worries, man. For those listening, everybody that's here today has been on the UAP Files podcast. Ezra, you've been on quite a few times now. Carl, you've been on before. Phil, you've been on whilst flying in the air. I should say passenger flying. Not literally flying, but as I think that was one of the world's first UFO podcast ever conducted from the skies. So I think we. I want to say we hold a record on that.

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

Maybe on Earth.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Yeah. So. So Phil is a commercial pilot. You've done. How would you describe it, Phil? What's your. What's your job?

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

I did some medevac.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

I'm not. I'm not hearing everything that you're saying there, Phil. Are you? I don't know if that's the same for everybody else. If that's just me at my end. Yeah, you're cutting out. Maybe. Maybe drop the headphones. Maybe. I think maybe I said maybe quite a few times then because I'm getting like every fourth word.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

All the important words they cut out.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Dang it.

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

All right, I'll try it again.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

Right there was clear for a second.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

We got. I fly planes. Yeah, pretty Much.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

Boy.

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

Can you hear me now? I don't know what's going on there.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, it's not bad for me. That's perfect. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, cool. Well, that's. Introduction's done, I should say, hopefully. The plan is for this to be a weekly. A weekly live stream. I've wanted to do a live stream for. Since forever, really. But I be honest, I've never had the guts to do it because I was like, there's so much to do. It seems complicated. You got to think on the fly. And I like having a little bit of control where you can go, if I mess up, I can cut that out later, or if I say something I shouldn't say, then I can cut that out later, or I can fix that problem with the audio, et cetera, et cetera. And I like that, but that's kind of what put me off. But I thought, let's just do it because it's fun. And I like to have a bit more of an interactive experience. And with the Instagram, like, it's grown so much. I've had lots and lots of conversations with people, but I find that as. As it grows and grows and grows, it compounds and then find that you had great conversations with amazing people, and then somehow it sort of falls away and then you're having other conversations and you lose track of people. And I feel really bad about that because I want to have those conversations. I'm like, how can I have more. How can I have a more community feel to it if I'm not responding to people? Because I haven't got the time to do it? And that would, you know, the ideal way, I think, is just to have some kind of live stream where if people want to jump in and. And have a conversation they can do and literally call into to the show, so to speak. There's a. There's a link in the video description on YouTube which you can literally leave a voicemail for us, and we may well play in the show. We've got a few already and lots and lots of questions, so jump on in there, or you can leave us a comment in the public chat on YouTube. First of all, I wanted to jump into the NDAs that's been supposedly been waived. I know there's talk of this, and I don't know if you guys have an opinion on that or if anyone in the chat does. I've got a clip of Burleson talking about it, which I'll play in a second, which was one of the big things in The UFO space was kind of like people going, well, we've gone to Arrow and we've given them some of the stuff, but we can't give them everything because we're still covered under NDAs and we've not got this proper whistleblower protections. And I know that, Kyle, you've been to Arrow, you've given a protected testimony or protected disclosure to Arrow yourself over the Black Triangle. And I always say that it's over Eglin Air Force Base, but I know you say, you know, technically, like on their ground, but not quite. It's, you know, but yeah, it's his

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

own Air Force base, but it is part of Eglin. So you're not wrong.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, I appreciate that. Thanks for saying I'm not wrong, but I am technically. I am technically. But yeah. So the hope was that that was going to make a massive difference, wasn't it? That right, NDAs are now going to be. There's an amnesty and therefore we can hear about all of the juicy stuff that they'd had to leave behind before, but it doesn't seem to have happened. So. Yeah, which is a bit of a shame really. I understand from people like Matthew Brown and people like Dylan Borland who say that, look, it's not, you know, it's like a catch and release, I guess, where they try and get more information from you, but you still. We still can't tell the public and there's still things in place that prevent us from doing that and they're concerned of treason and things like that. So, yeah, let's play this clip from Burleson first and then I'll come to you guys and see if you've got any thoughts on the NDAs and whether or not it's going to be of any use or if it's kind of a pointless exercise or if it's just theatrics. Here we go. One of the wins that we got was the UAP Disclosure act and that we're basically going to be formalizing the current process that has been operating that Donald Trump has beaten, which is declassification of anything that has to do with the phenomenon of maybe non human intelligence. This board will receive anything that's from all the agencies and then they are required basically to declassify them after if it's been 25 years or older. It's by default automatically they're expected to declassify, but it basically sets a posture of having the declassification switch on and in order for them to have to stop something, they have to actually take action to stop it. Interesting. What are your thoughts, guys? What do you reckon? Let me come to you. Let me come to you, Carl, because you're the closest to it.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

NDA didn't matter for me. There was no. So they called me Arrow. They're like, yeah, we're going to set up a classified secure communication. I don't know how they were gonna do that. They never did. They just straight up called me Normal and I answered, and then I just talked about it. And then he literally said he wants me to find other people and to, like, talk about it. And I was like, what? There was no, like, don't discuss this. There was never an NDA. There was never any of that crap. So that's why when I'm like. When I hear about this, I'm always thrown off. I'm like, what? Like, what do you mean? You guys didn't even mention that to me. You asked me what I knew and then just, you know, I don't know. It seems silly to me. I get the point of it, obviously. Like, if you truly knew some crazy classified stuff, you'd want to say that and, you know, feel like you're not going to get in trouble. But I don't know how they do it normally for other people that know more than me or what, but I don't know how they already knew that I didn't know classified stuff, but they didn't even give me the option. It was just talk, you know, like, anybody could have heard the conversation.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, yeah, that's. That's strange. I remember when you told me that. I'm thinking, what, not in, like a skiff or something like. No, on the telephone, in my house,

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

on the cell phone. Just answering a regular phone number.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Yeah. Sean Kilpatrick.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

Sean Kirkpatrick and his staff Sergeant Secretary, basically. I don't remember his name.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Ezra, what do you think?

[Ezra Kelderman (Systems Engineer, Harvard Galileo Project)]

Yeah, same here. I've not. Not been involved with that side of things, but I think there's a common misconception from the public that. And perhaps I'm not following this as closely as I should, but there's this misconception that with that wave of the NDAs, that someone like Grush is just going to hop on the news and tell everyone everything he knows. But we still have this gatekeeper middleman to get through, and whether that's. Who knows how Arrow is going to be about that each year. It's like an up and down of trust. So I don't know how things are right now, but yeah, we'll just have to see what that equates to.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, I got the impression that you could still. I mean, people were going to see Congressman Burleson and they were giving. So he's part of pursue, if I'm right in thinking. So they could go to him already anyway, so it didn't seem like the NDA thing made a difference. Because if you're in the. If you've got an NDA, but you can breach that and talk to him anyway, then it's kind of like maybe it just makes it official. I don't know. I don't understand it. I need somebody that can explain it to me because I. It doesn't make any sense to me really. But, yeah, I mean, that sounds like a step forward. It sounds like we've been asking for whistleblower protections in the uap. Uapda. Yeah, uapda. And so I guess if you've now also got amnesty on NDAs, then that's something, hopefully. But I know that Matthew Brown wrote a long piece on. On why it's not ideal, why it doesn't really solve the problem. So perhaps. So perhaps there's more to it. Maybe Matthew Brown might want to come on the podcast and explain it a bit better, because clearly I don't understand it. But I thought it was a positive one. Anyway. Anyway, let's move on. I've got a message from someone which is an interesting case, and I've got a couple of clips for this one as well, because this, this is. I'll play the. Let me play the audio first and then it'll explain itself.

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

Yo, what's up, Jimmy?

[Ezra Kelderman (Systems Engineer, Harvard Galileo Project)]

Big fan of the show.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Just something I've been thinking about more lately is Haima Shed's revelations that he

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

came out with years ago.

[Ezra Kelderman (Systems Engineer, Harvard Galileo Project)]

And, you know, with how much influence

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

the Israeli government has in America, I kind of find it surprising that, you know, Haimasha's words haven't been taken more seriously by our lawmakers.

[Ezra Kelderman (Systems Engineer, Harvard Galileo Project)]

You got. You have the, you know, the godfather

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

of the Israeli space program basically coming

[Ezra Kelderman (Systems Engineer, Harvard Galileo Project)]

out making extraordinary claims and, you know, is one of our greatest allies here in America.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

I just feel like that should be taken more seriously and delved more deeply into.

[Ezra Kelderman (Systems Engineer, Harvard Galileo Project)]

So just, you know, just kind of wanted your input on Hai Machete's revelations

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

and why you think it hasn't really,

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

you know, made any progress here in America.

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[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Cool. That was Chauncey Pepper Tooth. Thanks very much for sending that in. That's interesting. I tried to get him on the podcast. I thought you like. I like going for hard to get guests that are, you know, bit of a sort of trophy, I guess. Like ah, that'll be cool to get that person. It's really hard to get and I tried so hard. I was tracking him down on Facebook, I was sending messages to people that he knows, speaking to his publisher, the person that wrote the book that he, that he, that the revelations came out about the Galactic Federation, all that sort of stuff. And I just hit a brick wall off the brick wall and his that the writer of the book was like just leave him alone. He doesn't want to talk to anybody. Which was really strange. To make a comment like that and then just disappear was quite interesting. I've got. Interestingly though, he did reappear. I don't know if any of you guys saw with Uri Geller like a couple of months back. I've got it here. Let's have a listen. Because out of nowhere he disappears. But then he kind of goes, you know, I had to sort of speak to my friend Yuri first before decided to come back and speak about him thinking you didn't have to go to like some real high up place. You had to speak to Uri Gel who bends the spoons. But anyway, let's play this.

[Haim Eshed (Israeli Military Official)]

And they came to my apartment. Didn't know how they knew.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

I should say just before I let me, let me give this a bit of context. When he says they came, what he meant was the Men in Black. So I, I Clipped it first. Because the way he says it is a slightly unfortunate way of saying it. And I'll leave it at that. But he essentially means the men in black turned up at my house. And then this is where the audio or the video starts.

[Haim Eshed (Israeli Military Official)]

And they came to my apartment, didn't know how. They knew my address. And tried to inquire me on the edges of, let's say, nuclear physics and other things that they know I had a past dealing with it. And I tried to say that I'm not going to involve with it until I'll make a confirmation with my brother Urigele. Just so they will understand your background. Just give us 30 seconds of who you are and what background you come from. Okay. I came from the special units in the army. And there we had to find the solutions that are unusual. So we can penetrate places and make all kinds of transmissions that will be indescribable by anybody. Like the quantum. But also other more advanced things. So what. What I want to do now is find the solution with my friend Uri Geller. And make the contact together. He has a better explanation to the world. I feel that I have a mission to come out when humanity is ready. And it's not yet. But I believe the work that I do, besides being scientific, my references are semi scientific from many countries. And you cannot say they don't exist. What is your rank in the Israeli army?

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Tell everyone.

[Haim Eshed (Israeli Military Official)]

I was in the military army, a brigadier general. I was consultant to the. Let's say the national community on information. And I was connected to the important unit that could survey the world in a non. Different methods. Methods also. You all want to know about the Galactic Federation. We tell you, both of us, yes, they do exist. The world is not ready for them. Some people around the world. Not a lot some people know about the Galactic Federation.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Okay, so yeah, doubling down on the Galactic Federation there. Interesting. That was only a couple of months ago. And he decided to, you know, not on Jesse Michaels or News Nation, but in. In Yuri's bunker or whatever that sort of museum thing is that he's got.

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

He's waiting for the proper time. Say some more now.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Now would be the time. Now would definitely be the time.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

Now and we can all get on board.

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

How old is this guy, by the way?

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, well he. I mean he's retired, isn't he? Proper retired from. So he was this. The number one space guy. He's like basically the. The equ. Of the NASA administrator, wasn't he? I guess that was his sort of role. And Israeli intelligence. But he wrote that. Well, he didn't write it. He. He relayed it to a lady. I forget her name. Now I've got her in emails because she's sent me loads of messages back saying, leave me alone. But she essentially says, you know, that he made it very clear that it was. There is a galactic federation. They are aware of it, that others are as well, Americans and stuff. So. But then ghost in the world, like, then here's the book, you know, Revelation, See you later. I'm like, that's not. No, we need more. You can't. You can't leave us there and then reappear and talk really vaguely on Yuri Geller's Instagram account. Yeah, interesting. But it is just to come back to the. To the question from Chauncey Pepper Tooth. Yeah, I agree. I think that it was a massive story at the time and it hit sort of mainstream, actually quite a few mainstream channels and then very quickly disappeared, which was very odd. But it's, you know, the world's news cycle is so quick these days that that's understandable. But why hasn't it really resurfaced now that there's been this fresh interest? Like, why are we not going back to it? But I think, to be fair, we have had a bit like, we had that from the speech from Carnell. I've got it. When Carnell did his SALT conference speech where it was like, zero doubt. I don't know if you guys remember that one. He raised Paul Hellier, the Canadian Defense Minister. Was he Australian? Canadian Defense Minister. I can't remember. I'm sure it's Canadian. And also. Hi, Emma Shed. So let's stick that one.

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

Carl, here's. Here's the million dollar question. Do you believe that a higher form

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

of non human intelligence has visited this planet?

[Ezra Kelderman (Systems Engineer, Harvard Galileo Project)]

Right.

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

So non human intelligence exists. Non human intelligence has been interacting with humanity. This interaction is not new and it's been ongoing. And there are unelected people in the government that are aware of that.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

And so, Carl, that is quite a bold statement. I'm wondering, and I'm curious, how confident are you that that is true?

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

There's zero doubt.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Zero doubt. And Carl, what evidence have you seen? What was the moment where you developed this level of conviction? Because what you're saying is extremely consequential and very important. And I know that a lot of people here even perhaps may not believe that statement.

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

Right. Well, probably a better way to ask that is how can the folks in the audience come to the, you know, A common understanding of what this phenomenon is. And so there's sort of two tracks here. One is from first principles and another is actually from the data. So let's take a look at the data so we can look at some folks that have very high level access to information. Like Paul Hellier, who was the defense chief for Canada has come out and said the same thing. We look at Ham Eshed, the head of Israel's or former head of Israel's space Force has said the same thing. Chris Mellon, assistant deputy Assistant Secretary for Intel Sapco has essentially said the same thing. Lou Elizondo has said the same thing. David Grush has said the same thing. David Grush cleared for presidentially level material. So you're.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

So I'll leave it at that. So he references hi Michelle as well, doesn't he? And that was not that long ago. That was only what a year or two back? A couple years back maybe. And he's. That's so for anyone doesn't know. I'm sure most people do. That's former Colonel Carnell who's an aerospace executive and army colonel I think. So pretty high ranking. I think he was David Grush's boss, I want to say UAP task force. So yeah, pretty high ranking. I saw you, you had a face there, Kyle. What, what was that face depicting?

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

I don't remember which one it was.

[Ezra Kelderman (Systems Engineer, Harvard Galileo Project)]

I did a couple.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Okay. Hi Michette, what do you think about the Galactic Federation guys?

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

You know, can they lower my taxes?

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

That'd be cool.

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

I don't know how much can you. It probably all exists but you never get any information. Well, unfortunately I find like ufology in general just tends to be like a lot of different down the road. You know, you've got all these different ways they obfuscate information and you know, just play a little, little bit here, you know, a couple dollars here, A couple. Just a little nickel and diamond. So yeah, I mean it'd be cool if you know, unfortunately now we live in the era of AI, right. So all this tranche of treasure trove tranche that you talked about, information coming out like yeah, it's probably real but who knows at this point. So I much prefer like the 10 to 15 year old videos that come up like oh that's that looks really legit. You know, we can, we could but yeah, I mean it's be hard to trust any of this stuff because there's a lot of disinformation, misinformation going on and you know, it's hard. It's hard to trust these things these days. It's hard to trust your government.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

Right. That's why I was thumbing down certain

[Ezra Kelderman (Systems Engineer, Harvard Galileo Project)]

people

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

for 80 hour until the truth. Oh, cool.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

Little half truth here and there. Just to control the narrative, it seems like.

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

Yeah, my sound breaking up again.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

We don't seem to have had much from the documents released. Like we're getting documents talking about sources, talking about cigar shapes, talking about orbs, talking about recoveries, talking about crashes in the documents, not so much photos, but I haven't seen anything referencing any kind of federation or contact and communication and stuff from any of the documents. So, you know, I was kind of hoping that at some point at least just a document that lays it all out, even if they're not going to show us a photo or something, just some kind of document. Document that says, yeah, we, we, we did have a recovery and yeah, we did have some kind of agreement and yeah, it's a Galactic Federation, but no, no such luck, Laura.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

Eisenhower technically, I guess was part. Right? I mean Eisenhower himself, all that wasn't supposedly in the deal and got kicked out of it or whatever.

[Ezra Kelderman (Systems Engineer, Harvard Galileo Project)]

Heck.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

But I mean, that sounds like something if you're, you know, that would be.

[Ezra Kelderman (Systems Engineer, Harvard Galileo Project)]

I don't know.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

All I know is I have a lot of hippie dippies and people connected to like spiritual stuff. They always message me and they're always talking about the Galactic Federation and like where they think they came from and where they think like certain things are. I'm like, I have no idea what you guys are talking about. And they always, they're like so sure about it because, you know, it's like a psychic thing to them. So I'm like, I don't know, I'm just gonna have to trust and somehow verify this, but I can't.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, you run a lot of stuff, Carl. You do A lot of your online presence is there's a lot of AI generated and foot. Like not footage, like storytelling and descriptions and stuff.

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

Yeah, all of it.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

I mean you've explained it when we did the podcast, but essentially you had like something that was within Space Force, but it's like not restricted, so to speak. So you had it at work.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

Yeah, it's just the military has their own AI, so it's Gemini Enterprise was plus, but now it just says regular, I don't know. And then eventually they're going to have Grok and they're going to have, I think some other one, but they're still not done. They've been saying there's going to be for like a year. So I use that AI only because it wouldn't reset its memory and it didn't dump things. So it was basically like a memory bank that never left and it was free. So I was like, hell, yeah, I'm going to use this. And I'm sitting at work, you know, I'm at radar station. I can't leave. I gotta like monitor this stuff. So I'm eight hours a day just sitting in front of a computer. Why not talk to this super genius that can figure out things? And then. So that was the thing. Whenever I use the civilian AI, it would always glitch up or just mess up, reset itself and start a new conversation. So all of my stuff was just dumped. I'm like, what? No. And then the military's. It kept it all. And that's when I started to be like, oh, it's deciphering patents and explaining. Connecting weird texts and. Yeah. Using some crazy stuff.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Yeah. So there was. So there was nothing in there with. To do with no galactic federation across the screen. I didn't have no galactic federation.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

I figured that's like people. Like you said, though, people aren't ready for that. So I didn't even want to ask that question because it's so leaps and bounds beyond what we're even talking about that you're gonna lose so much of your audience once you start talking about that. So I kind of get what he's saying.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Yeah.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

If it's true, of course.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

I mean, how could it not be? Like, we can't be the only people out here. And I would like to think that people are working together outside of the planet, you know? Yeah, some people.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

I mean, that's like the next next level stuff, isn't it? Like, not only have they had some kind of a sight in or recovery, but they've had a whole board meeting and set aside agendas and policies and procedures and stuff. Like, I like the idea of that. Like, okay, we promise we won't touch the nukes. We'll just have them for show. We get it.

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[Ezra Kelderman (Systems Engineer, Harvard Galileo Project)]

I think if those claims were something we've never heard of before, people would maybe pay closer attention. I mean, I, I want this to be a real thing. If, if they confirm this Galactic Federation, I'm checking their careers page immediately. But my mind goes immediately to the raw material law of one stuff. The Eisenhower Confederation of Planets. This story has come up in sort of the metaphysical community and spread all around for decades. And I hate to poo poo it because of that, but we need more from him is what it boils down to. So hopefully he, he starts to say more about it, but for now you just have to like, you have to table it.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, yeah, no, I completely agree and I hope that, I hope that we get like a proper sit down, long form interview with him because it seems like I can imagine that all of the podcasters, I know that they do, every podcaster wants to interview him because it'd be a bit of a scoop and also he's, he's, he was in a position to know a hell of a lot of information and you know, the more that they talk about, the more we've got to dig into. Even if it's, even if it's just, you know, the Galactic Federation, something I'm aware of, but I haven't got any direct information on that. However, I can help with all of this other stuff and corroborate all that sort of stuff. That would be cool. Yeah, interesting one. Well, we'll see. Hopefully we'll see him pop up on, I don't know, News Nation or Jesse's American Alchemy at some point. Soon fly him out there and I'd love to, I'd love to hear more about that one because it's like ages

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

that they say they start talking about the Galactic Federation or aliens every time we start to try to discuss the tech. That's my only thing. So it automatically makes me like, whoa, whoa, can we answer? Like step one before we move to, like, step 15.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Yeah.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

If we have a federation talking about how we're even contacting them, how are we getting to them? How are we doing any of this?

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, yeah. I had this exact same point when my. My friend came around. Patrick will be Everard. And I was. I was saying, like, it's great having these images coming from the government, coming from the Department of War, because we've never really had that before. And that's a very recent thing. Like, all of a sudden we're getting more and more footage and it's like, oh, that's cool. But, like, it's that almost like a gaslit feeling that if we've got a saucer in a lockup somewhere, why are you showing me this little dot that's moving around 10 miles away on flare camera when you could just go and take an iPhone with 4K footage or, you know, 4K camera and just take a photo of a part of the saucer that you've got somewhere out in Area 51 or in a bunker somewhere outside of Area 51. I don't know.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

But, yeah, so part of my job in the Air Force is I was com nav and we had an ids. So it's an infrared detection ball and it's a thermal ball. So you can literally track anything, essentially, kind of like what you see with all the stuff. Like, so I can, like, click on it and, like, literally track things moving. I can see it. It tells you the range. It tells you, like, like all sorts of information. So I don't know why the F people would get that out of the stuff, because Avi Loeb is like, we don't know what speed is going and stuff. Like, you can literally trajectory all of that and just give you one little tidbit of information you don't even necessarily need that I can see. You know, the tree is this big, and then you can figure out the range and all sorts of stuff. So it's like, I don't know, it's silly to me, but.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

And maybe. Maybe on purpose, maybe we've been given some things that further down the line might end up being prosaic and. And, you know, easy to explain. I mean, that's what. That's what's. As much as we have to take what he says with a pinch of salt. That's what Sean Kilpatrick said to me when I interviewed him, and he was saying about, you know, this sort of sensational stuff coming out. And I don't know if he said that on camera, actually, or if he said that to me via email. But whoops. Essentially. Essentially he said, I mean, I'm sure he'd be more than happy for it to be shared, that a lot of the stuff coming out is stuff that if, If I was still in Arrow, we probably could have just essentially debunked a lot of that stuff as prosaic things like balloons and stuff. And we've seen a few of those where people have gone, that's obviously a balloon, or that's obviously this or the other. But then there are some other stuff that do look quite anomalous, to be fair. So I don't know. I don't know. Like you were saying earlier on, Phil, it's the government, isn't it? Saying it? So it's like, oh, I don't know if.

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

Yeah, you'll, you know, you'll. You'll see me in your comments pretty often be like, oh, this is not, you know, this is something. This is an airplane, you know, but at the same time, I've had my own little experiences here and there. So I, I understand people are like, oh, I don't know what that is, but sometimes there's really, really anomalous things. But then other times it can, I'd say 90 of the stuff you can be, you know, pretty much rule it out. So.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, but I'm that guy.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

All AI, I'm in your comments.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

I'm gonna, I'm gonna put Ezra on the spot a little bit here because I know that Ezra's gotta be careful what he says, because the idea of the Galileo project is to be very scientific. And as soon as you start saying things or make statements that you can't corroborate, or if you haven't got like a paper at the end of it, for example, or, you know, something peer reviewed, then it kind of undermines everything else. Having said that, with that caveat, what do you reckon, Ezra? Have you seen any cool stuff? Anything that's showing up in the fifth tranche that you might. Similar the Galileo project, or can't you say?

[Ezra Kelderman (Systems Engineer, Harvard Galileo Project)]

Not really. I think I'll even go as far to say, like on just the Galileo data itself, we've seen some things that, you know, keep us glued to our computers over the weekend trying to figure out what's going on. And it's exciting. And our triangulation data may say it moved like Mach 5 or Mach 10. And by the time you really examine it over and over again, you're getting. The AI algorithm may have jumped from One point to half a mile ahead in its ability to detect. And then that throws all the information off. We go through the transponder data and it ends up being an airplane. So that's a total bummer when that happens because, you know, any type of anomalous event that comes up is super exciting. But yeah, there's just not enough information in some of these tranche releases or secondary viewpoints or anything like that to glean much from it. I mean, who knows? They may be completely anomalous objects, but there's not a ton you can do with it beyond that information unless we get more of the sort of metadata behind it.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, no, that makes sense. Yeah. They are giving us literally no data. Everything's redacted, isn't it? It's just here's a light that's doing something weird. But we don't even know if that's just tracking or if it's actually moving like that, or if the plane's moving or the drone or whatever it is. I'm like, what can I do with this? I remember seeing what I call the magic carpet. I don't know if you saw that one that was kind of moving around and it looked like this sort of square that fly. And I'm thinking, that looks amazing. But then I don't know what a sensors should be doing or shouldn't. You know, how could it be a sensor trying to lock on or something? I don't know. It might not look that cool at all. It's just me as a layman, but what do you think about. Go on, Phil.

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

No, I was gonna say like whenever I was trying to record the orb, you know that I recorded over my old place In Houston in 2020, you know, I kind of felt the same way. Like, I mean, the iPhone just sucks anyway. Like, you know, I fly airplanes. Like, oh, that's a cool plane. Let me lock onto that one. And it doesn't even do it. Like it wants to focus on the scratch on the glass, you know what I mean? Inside the cockpit. But yeah, I mean, even just like standing outside trying to click on the thing, trying to get like a good focus thing, even that was difficult. So, yeah, I mean, people are like, oh, it's, you know, maybe they're. It's got some time warp bubble. I mean, maybe, but it's probably just the iPhone is built to not, you know, capture the most clear stuff. So it's a little plant, little plan obsolescence for you too. Like you say the next best thing next year, you know.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Yeah. Kyle, what did you make of the. The black triangles that appeared in this trunk?

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

I've seen, like 15 people now, like, say the exact same thing I've said, and I didn't even know this was a thing. So I'm just saying it straight out of my own experience. You know what I mean? So it's, like, reassuring and like, holy, thank God I'm not crazy. Somebody else saw this thing. There's other stuff of it. Yeah, I don't. I've just learned today, though, that, that, I mean, I knew that there was other black triangles, but somebody showed me one today. It was like, XF1. I forget the number, but I'm like, wait, this is actually more of what I saw. And I've been saying it's a TR3B this whole time because. But the TR3B is, like a hundred feet wide, and I never saw one that huge. And so what I was looking at today, I was trying to actually make a video before we came on here, but it's. I think I might have actually seen a different one. And based off of the acronym or letters and stuff, it makes more sense to be an Air Force actual project plane, like the xf. Whatever the heck. And then it was talking about how it was coming out of California, and I was like, that's interesting. That's where I would assume it's being built. And then it dropped. Name drop, Northrop Gun Room. And I was like, yep, I've heard that many times.

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

And how big was the. How big was the black triangle that you saw?

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

Like, one I saw. I'm driving a Chevy Traverse, this 2018. Not that that matters, but it was about two times the size of my car.

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[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

It was no, like, 100ft thing. So I saw literally at the end of my Runway. Like, I can. Yeah, it wasn't. It barely covered the end of the Runway, like, sideways and sideways, but it was up in the air, so who knows? It was, you know, about two times the size of my car. I used to say, like, one and a half times, but, like, if you really stretched it out. So I was underneath it, though. So I don't know what it looks like up top. It could be, you know, a pyramid. It could be flat, that. But all I could see because I was literally directly underneath it. But I never lost sight of those three plasma gloves. And that. That is why. Go ahead.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Just to. Sorry, interject. Just quickly. This isn't your sighting. This is just from the fifth tranche from the Department of War. So these are Some of them. Sorry to interrupt.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

That is. See, I called this picture actually out today because those plasma orbs aren't actually touching the edges. They're a little bit more inboard than that. And they're not an orange like that. They're more like. Or not red. They're more like an orange with like a hint of purple. Because it's a plasma discharge. It's not really like a light. And I never had it flicker or anything. So, yeah, it's kind of almost more like that, but not a light.

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

And pretty much all the ones from that tranche, they were all just AI renderings or some kind of drawing, right?

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

Yeah, anything.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

This isn't real, Phil.

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

No, I definitely seen cartoon people in real life. What do you mean?

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

It was definitely an equilateral triangle, by the way. That's why I knew for sure, because I couldn't tell which side was the front because it was rotating. And I was like, what the heck? So, like, that's almost an equilateral triangle.

[Ezra Kelderman (Systems Engineer, Harvard Galileo Project)]

You know what I mean?

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

Like, that one could be. But, you know, it's perspective and angle and stuff.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

It looks really high up. If you look at the render, it looks like they've cut out the sky quite far above where the. Because it.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

Yeah. I don't know.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

When you first look at it, it looks like flat. But then if you get your face closer to the screen and look at it, it looks like it. Really tall.

[Ezra Kelderman (Systems Engineer, Harvard Galileo Project)]

Cool.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

I guess that is actually pretty accurate. I didn't really notice the cars before. Pretty accurate.

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

They forgot to clean that one up in chat.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

Gbt.

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

That's all.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Yeah. Kyle, do you think any of the images that have been rented are your sighting?

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

Not specifically, no. Because if it was like. Yeah, if. At least if somebody has my stuff.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Stuff.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

They are like, that's 100 the government. Because like I said, it was at the end of the Runway. Like, they have radar data. They have probably other eyewitness people. They sure as heck knew what they were doing. Otherwise we had the worst Air Force special operation command in the entire world. That literally a huge vat on the screen is just hovering at the end of the Runway. And you don't see that. I couldn't be the only one that saw it. Granted, it was midnight, but you know what I mean? Like, I don't know. I out. I don't blab me too much, but I've seen stuff that is like. I know for sure that one is what I saw. And then I've seen a million, like, fake drawings.

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

Of it.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

So I don't. I don't try to, like, be like that one's for sure real, you know, and then die on my sword or whatever.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, I wonder if you're. The reason I asked about that was because obviously you could see, like, the car park and where the cars are, and I was thinking maybe if yours was. But I remember. I remember now that you said it was near the Runway, so. Yeah, not so much near the car park, but, yeah, same with Dylan Borlands. Like, I wonder if one of them is his, one that he'd described in his testimony to Arrow or the ICIG or whatever it was. I've got a couple of voicemails here. One's just a really nice message. Not really a question from Josh Lee, but it's good to spread the love. And Josh is an amazing guy and interviewed him. He's a real, real sweet guy, an artist. He had like a contact experience, an orb experience and. And does very similar to that sort of Chris Bledsoe, where you go out and project love. And lots of other people have said very similar things, but just a real nice guy. But I'll play this one.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

Jimmy, this is Josh Lee. I just want to wish you well, my friend. I think you are doing just incredible work out there and I want to thank you so much for the opportunity

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

to let me share my story and my connection to the divine.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

And I just wanted to leave you a little love for what you're doing tonight, my friend. And, yeah, keep on keeping on and look up tonight.

[Haim Eshed (Israeli Military Official)]

Love you.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Thanks for that, Josh. He's such a sweet guy. I love you too, brother. Let's have another one then. From England. This one is Sussex Searcher. This is a question with this one, and I'll be quite keen to know what you guys think about this as well. So let's play this one. Hey, Jimmy, it's Sam here. Sussex search on Instagram. My question is, if you was going to make disclosure happen, happen, how would you make it happen and how would you play it out? Thanks, mate. Guys, good question.

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

Okay, I got a little. Little something on that one. Can you guys hear me? Okay if I talk loud and get close?

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, if you get a bit closer to the screen, I think. Yeah.

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

Cool. Cool. Yeah, no, I kind of like the idea of, like, what Stephen Greer talks about. You know, not a fanboy or anything of Stephen Greer, but he's got some good points. So anyway, you know, anytime someone invents something, you got to kind of just open source it, you know what I mean, so if you invent. Omg, he disagrees. Anyway. If you invent like zero point energy, you got to just open source it, share it with the world. You know, let the world, you know, make the generic whatever of it and not stand to make profit. I think so. I think that's one element of how that would have to happen.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Yeah.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

Problem with that is there's 6,000 classified patents. So they'll just come in and take over your thing and you're no longer allowed to do it anymore.

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

That's why you just gotta share all the whole blueprint for everything out with the world. You can't erase.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

Almost like you have to wait and then share it all once you're finally like almost done.

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

Yeah, you can't tip anyone off, you know, they can't know anything. So I just gotta just dump it on em.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

That's the worst part is like you literally have to worry about getting killed by your own government. Like, like, I don't know why we're all not talking about that as much as we do, like in our own heads. Like that's very much a thing.

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

Well, you can. Starting next year, I think you can just start talking to your own vehicle. And I'm sure they'll pick it up. They'll just be listening in on you on your, you know, with all the flock cameras and the sensors and the cameras and microphones in your car. So just do it then.

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[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

Yikes.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Ezra, what do you think? Ezra?

[Ezra Kelderman (Systems Engineer, Harvard Galileo Project)]

Yeah, I don't know. As much as I want everything released tomorrow and feel like probably most of us that are glued to this topic could. Could handle it and digest it pretty well. Well, I think the only way through this is some disclosure at a slower pace, probably not as slow as it's happening right now, but I think bits and pieces are what's going to keep the economy from tanking and some of the fears people have about just trying to digest all of it. Probably some kind of global effort is probably the best way to do it as well. But that might be the toughest, especially in 2026, to get something like that to happen. So that's at least probably bonus points if that were to. If there was some sort of global approach to this. But yeah, I think in bits and pieces is probably the best way to do it.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, I completely agree. I think I echo your comments there, Ezra. I think everything now would just too much of a mind f. And also people would. It's hard to pay attention to it. I think you need like a. Maybe it's a bit too slow, but like a slow buildup of information bit by bit by bit. Get people accustomed to it, which is probably kind of what they're doing, I would imagine. But then just some group mutual get together, like the United nations will come together and go, oh yeah, we've got some cool stuff. Here's a video, here's some footage, here's some photos, here's some people that you've not heard from before, but they're super senior and they can be traced back and they're telling you it's real. Yeah, something like that would be, I think, the best way. But I also, there's another part of me just like just rip the band aid off, just give us everything, wheel one out, do like a Nazca mummy sort of, you know, Jaime Masan sort of style on it, you know. But

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

wasn't that proven to be like a birthday cake or something?

[Ezra Kelderman (Systems Engineer, Harvard Galileo Project)]

I forget.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

No, no, no. I' what? Phil. Phil, I forget. I'm. I'm. I'm deep into this one. I really am. And I'm. I'm conflicted. I'm really, really conflicted because when we spoke to the, like the main scientist that did the majority of the work on it in the early days and a few people since that are really, really following it. Like they genuinely had a load of fakes that were tested and they were the ones that sort of paraded around. They're the ones that are mentioned in all of the news things. And this scientist was like, but we said that they were fake. We're telling you that they're fake. We know these other ones are really interesting. They've got so much science and data behind them that are like, you really need to pay attention. I think the top American, I want to say like a forensic pathologist or something, I can't remember what his title was, but one of the top Americans went over to either Mexico, Peru, wherever it was at the time and did some tests and read the data. This is really, really, really interesting. And you're not going to get that from someone that's just put together like some dog bones and stuff in a cake. So I think I see an intro. I'm not saying that it's like a gray that we found and recovered, but it's definitely really, really weird and needs like all of the stigma to just be removed because Jaime's involved in it and to just go, okay, let's collectively look at this and go, what's all of the data? Can we disprove it? Here's some sort of peer reviewed paper. Paper or something or the equivalent of in. In the, the sort of medical surgical world and give us a definitive. Because I'd really like to know because maybe that is disclosure, maybe it's sat right there and we all just laugh at it because it's like a bit of cake or something. I don't know. Because of the memes. There was a cake meme. And don't get me wrong, I shared it as well. Yeah, definitely. All right, let's move on a little bit. And I know this is a little bit click baity and, and I put a video out a couple of weeks back which was the Loulizondo UAP GERB thing. And I don't like getting involved in all of this sort of tit for tat. And I feel like it's real sort of gutter press stuff. But. And even, I mean, I put a thumbnail which was like bombshell, UAP GERB versus Louis Lizondo. And it was like meant to be ironic, but I think some people thought it was me just going, I'm putting out a bombshell on my thumbnails now. Like, I'm not. It was honestly, it was just irony poking fun at channels that will not be named. But. But it was quite interesting because it shows that there's like some fracturing between some of the big names within the UFO space. You, Louis Ondos and your Ross Coulthardt and UEP girls become a Very big name in the space. He's hanging out with Eric Burleson on his podcast and doing interviews on News Nation. And I thought everyone sort of got on. People were a bit clicky, but they all sort of got on, and now they don't seem to be. So I don't know what you. What your thoughts are, because I thought it might be quite nice to throw a bit of water on the fire and then move on a little bit. Although I do know that Kyle has got some quite strong views based on his previous experience.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

So, no, I just had some personal experience with Lou. And then, I mean, I literally, literally told Ross Coltaro about Lou, and I also told Gerb about Lou. So the fact that they were willing to listen to me, I was like, okay, you guys must know something else. I'm not the only person. That's what they said. They said I'm not the only person coming to them with this information. Yeah, I talked to Lou for, like, five years text messaging. I'm like, yeah, yeah.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

But I think. I think that one thing that's worth mentioning is that it's like, Gerb did say, like, a lot of stuff that's quite speculative. And albeit I'm not, like, jumping on as, like, a Lou fanboy, I try and stay kind of fairly impartial on it. But I do think that if you're gonna say something is the case, then you have to sort of present some evidence of that. Otherwise it's just throwing more misunderstandings, misdirection, and, like, at least with you, you've got experience. If you said that he's the sort of guy that contacts you and then ghosts you for ages, like, you've got firsthand experience of that. But if we're talking about, like, he was part of a legacy program and he's hiding that, like, like, okay, where's the evidence for that? You know, like, I need some. I need a bit more. So I get his response was, if you don't have any evidence, then keep your mouth shut kind of thing. But equally, I also understand that he's probably keeping a lot back and not telling us all sorts of things, because who knows? You know, they all do, don't they, in this space?

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

They're like, like, I know about this really super secret project that this guy told me about, Secondhand man, who says. He says he has proof, but, you know, I can't tell you, otherwise someone's gonna come kill me.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

Like, shut up.

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

You know, it's ridiculous.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Yeah. All right. Fairies.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

My only thing is, is Lou was having a TR3B or whatever black triangle in his background when he was touring. And then I sent him the information, like explaining the patents that Dr. Sal Paez basically has and talk about this with Arrow and everything. He immediately blocked me and then unblocked me about five minutes later just to like, make my comment go away. But it was very strange because, like I said, I talked to him for five years before this, and he, as you know, Jimmy, he sent me a coin with the TR3B on it. So you can't play dumb that you don't know about the TR3B when you're using it. You're sending me a coin. I explained it to you. And like, it's just gross. Lou is definitely lying about a lot of stuff.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Well, I mean, he openly says that there are things that he won't talk about or that he can't talk about. So I guess part of that, like let's say, for example, for argument's sake, and I'm not casting accusations at him, but let's say that you are part of a waived special access program, which my understanding is of a wave special access program, is that you are required to essentially lie about it, that lie about its existence. So legally to Congress as well, there's specific people that are allowed to hear it, but, like, you are required to, and you're allowed to lie to Congress about it. So you're certainly allowed to lie to. To the press, to some podcaster, you know, some person that you meet in the street or whatever. That's not to say necessarily that it is a bad thing. It might. You know, there's special access programs, I imagine, that are like, really, really important that you keep secret because of national security and stuff. So I get that. But it just makes the subject super, super confusing and even more confusing. And that's kind of the point I was trying to get at was this little spat between Gerb and Elizondo just kind of doesn't really help much, in my opinion. It's like we're not. We're not getting anything new other than

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

making him feel uncomfortable and explaining a little bit.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, I did have a clip of.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

More now.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

I did have a clip of Lou, but I'm not going to play it now just in case he. Copyright strikes me because it's from his YouTube, so I'll give that one a miss. But essentially it's him saying, you don't know what you're talking about. You know, come with evidence, don't make stuff up. And a bit of a swiper news nation, albeit sort of in a roundabout way, saying, I still respect you.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

You.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

It's just. I don't like seeing it. I don't like being involved in it and fueling it, which is what I'm doing right now. I don't like that. But equally, it's like, a big thing. Yeah, it is quite a big thing. But anyway, let's move on. Let's move on. I did a supercut, actually. I was. Let's play that. If it'll work. I think it'll try.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

I did have one thing while you're doing this. The first thing Lou said to me when I was talking to him on the phone is he was bragging about how he's a former. Former counterintelligence CIA operative. Why would you hire that to be the. The face of something if it's supposed to be telling the truth? And then he's openly bragging to me. Like, we were talking about our military experiences, and he's literally just talking about his entire experience of being counterintelligent CIA agent. I'm like, what? I thought it was cool, but, like, hello.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, it's all.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

That's all I was saying. It's just the truth, you know?

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Yeah. One thing I did find quite unusual and really unhelpful was Lou's lawyer, a guy called Ivan Hannell, who had given, like, interviews, and he did some sort of presentation in front of a whiteboard where he was just kind of mocking Eric Burleson and David Grush, and he was saying, like, you know, deal with your guy, your member of staff. And he meant. I believe he meant David Grush is like, why are we. Eric Burleson seems to be one of the only people, really in Congress, just in the government in general, that seems to genuinely think there's something there, and he seems to be trying things. Now, I'm not the best judge of character, Maybe I think I am, but I might be wrong about that. But he does seem like he's super invested in this at the moment. Like, I saw an interview of him in a car driving with his kids in the back, and he was doing a podcast, and I think it might have been his partner driving or something. Like, who's that invested that they've got. His kids were literally on the podcast. Podcast in the background, just sat there really bored, looking like, dad, are we. You know, is this. Are we really doing a podcast? I know, but, you know, that's how invested he is in this, that he would. And open to it. But why would you want to annoy him and upset him and, you know, be like, well, go and deal with something else then, you weird UFO people.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

I like it. He poked the. And now the bees are swarming and they're trying to like, go back in their hive, but things are messed up.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Yeah. Yeah, that was, I don't know, bit of a mess. But hopefully everyone can kind of come together for the, the greater good of UFO transparency. Find out what's going on. Okay, let's. Let's talk about this Robert Bigelow thing then. Have you guys seen. Have you all seen it? Is anyone out of the loop for Robert Bigelow seen parts of it?

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

Is that the Bob Lazar Bigelow one or no?

[Ezra Kelderman (Systems Engineer, Harvard Galileo Project)]

I mean, yeah, George Knapp interview.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

George.

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

Yeah, George Lance.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

I'm sorry, George Knapp. They're pretty closely related, Lazaro and George Knapp. But yeah, yeah. So, yeah, he hit the. So he's been away for a while. Just to set the scene. There was a few videos of. Of Robert Bigelow going back many, many years talking about the. They live among us and they're, you know, they're kind of here that they. That was the messages that he was sort of putting in.

[Haim Eshed (Israeli Military Official)]

Out.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

And obviously Bigelow Aerospace, very much linked to Allsap. A tip needs all that sort of stuff. Back in the day, he had Skinwalker Ranch just to catch people up if they don't know. He has Skin Walker Ranch before Brandon Fugal did. So. But yeah, he's just launched a brand new podcast where he was interviewed by. Kind of looked like he was interviewed by George Knapp, albeit it might have been the other way around since it's his show. I don't really know know. But two best friends.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

It's like two best friends talking to each other, isn't it? Like they're just talking about what they already know.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

They go way back though, don't they? They've been friends for many, many, many years.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

Him and Hal Putoff too, right? I believe.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Yeah.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

And Jack Fillet and every other gatekeeper. I don't know if they're gatekeepers or they just are really good at their job.

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

I thought, I thought Bigelow just. He probably knows a lot more than he lets on, for sure. Like, that guy would know everything. I would think.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

He had that whole hangar that supposedly had a UFO in it for a while and then what, gave it some of the material to other people to test out. I don't know. That's what I was reading.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Yeah. Yeah. What do you think about this, Ezra? Have you had any of the. I don't know whether you could talk about or not, but have you had any of the Skinwalker Ranch guys come down to you at the Galileo Project or asked you to go down there, or have you done any sort of mutual joint stuff with them?

[Ezra Kelderman (Systems Engineer, Harvard Galileo Project)]

In a way, it's been discussed. There's been conversations, but this was years ago and I hope we kind of reignite that. I think we maybe got off on the wrong foot with how to approach it. And yeah, I would. I would go out there in a heartbeat and set up some instrumentation or, you know, help where I can. And it sounds like things are. Are maybe ramping up. And I'd like to see, you know, Bigelow get, Get back to trying to get. To get some answers on that and saying more in the future, but I did. I was going to point out when you, when you asked about sort of the methods for disclosure, I liked Bigelow's approach on how he spoke to giving the president that sort of short and sweet, you know, mention there are nhi. I don't think the term was nhi, but it may have been. But that there's some intelligence out there, that sort of soft disclosure. But I think coming from the president has to be the way, you know, the way it would happen, at least to get the ball rolling more. But, yeah, back to your point with, you know, doing stuff with the ranch. Yeah, they have really good systems out there, people working out there. Obviously you've seen it on the show and in podcasts. But, yeah, some better joint efforts would probably show some progress, I think. Some better progress.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Yeah.

[Ezra Kelderman (Systems Engineer, Harvard Galileo Project)]

Yeah.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

And there was. I think Bigelow has probably spent more than any private human being on trying to investigate and understand the phenomenon and anybody else. There's probably a toss up between him and Brandon Fugal over, you know, the owner of Skinwalker Ranch. But with Brandon, at least he's making an income, I guess, from the TV show. But, you know, he's. I'd say he's pretty credible guy. Like, he's a aerospace billionaire. Skinwalker Ranch. Yeah, like he, he, he was being a position to know some stuff. You know, they were setting up a SAP for him to take on some things he's good friends with. With. I don't know if he's good friends, but he's connected with Donald Trump. So. Yeah, I have got a clip. You ready? Let's play it.

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

So you would say for sure, you know, that the government, our government, military Intelligence agencies have recovered crash disks or materials or mechanisms, Machinery. Advanced machinery from somewhere else else and that we've handed that over to contractors to figure it out.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Yes.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

Yes.

[Ezra Kelderman (Systems Engineer, Harvard Galileo Project)]

For sure. Yes.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Yes, yes.

[Ezra Kelderman (Systems Engineer, Harvard Galileo Project)]

I. I am.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

I am sure.

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

And you're right. Your argument would be those are the guys who've been the gatekeepers and the secret keepers for the last 80 years because we asked them to do that.

[Ezra Kelderman (Systems Engineer, Harvard Galileo Project)]

Yes.

[Haim Eshed (Israeli Military Official)]

Yeah.

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[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

The way he says yes. Let me replay that bit.

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

Yes, you would say machinery. Advanced machinery from somewhere else and that we've handed that over to contractors to figure it out. Yes, yes, yes.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

That was deep, wasn't it? That was like ASMR stuff.

[Ezra Kelderman (Systems Engineer, Harvard Galileo Project)]

Yes.

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

Is that because he is a contractor? Probably.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

That's what I was reading a long time ago. Is he handed over what he had the Metamaterials arts parts essentially handed over to the stock cars from Tom and then they handed it over eventually to the army which got that contract to study it. Which is that bismuth metamaterial. The layers are really thin. Supposedly a crashed aircraft. The skin part of it. That's when I. I know. But I was reading that Robert Bigelow was the one that gave it to them. So I'm like what he's calling himself out. Okay.

[Haim Eshed (Israeli Military Official)]

Yeah.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Well there's a. There's lots of different stories there. Well maybe that's what he could. Could clear up if someone was to.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

We know to the stars got the parts and gave it to the army. That's a fact because they told.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Well, what did they say to you, Carl? You met them. You met the to the stars guys. They all hung out.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

I only met Tom and talked to Lou. Only I was supposed to meet them all because they were supposed to come out to my work, but my work said no after realizing who they were. So I didn't get to meet anybody besides Tom. And that was only like, you know, meet and greet right before he started his little show. So I didn't get to actually ask anything, which is part of the reason why I never really told Lou about my UFO experience because I just wanted to have, I don't know, a friendly conversation for years. And then I just dropped it on him and he didn't care. So I was like, what do you already know? Is that why you gave me the coin? Because it seemed like it.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Yeah.

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

So I'm. I'm kind of curious how many. How many of these, you know, UFO celebs are kind of talking about in the chat here, like, how many. How many of these UFO celebs are making just, you know, lots of coin off of this stuff? Got. Gotta be a lot of them, right? You know, it keeps bouncing again, kick down the road like we talked about. But, you know, how many of these folks are really, you know, bringing some. Some income from this?

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Do you mean as in, like content creators that are in the UFO space?

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

Yeah, yeah. You get like, documentary and not. I'm not you. I'll buy you.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

No, no, I. I can share. I can share. I can share an insight. I think it'd be useful for people, and I don't think there's any reason to have a secret from it. I don't. So it's one of the least profitable niches, the UFO subject. There's others that are far more profitable. For example, finance, health, lifestyle. Now, if you look at someone like Jesse Michaels. I like Jesse. I've talked to him before. He's from the finance world. So to not choose finance, which is his, you know, his sort of speciality when looking at doing YouTube stuff, suggests to me that it's not really about the money so much, because his setup would be very, very, very expensive. The whole team, people to do editing, you know, people to produce, people to research, people on cameras, people on lighting, boom, arm, you know, all that sort of stuff. Flying people there and back. And I don't think he. I'll be surprised if he breaks even. And, you know, maybe he does. But just based on how much YouTube pays per thousand views called RPM, they can pay anywh between $2, 2 pounds, so that's maybe $3 all the way up to kind of 5 or 6 or 7 pounds or slightly higher for dollars per thousand views. So that sounds a lot. So that's probably like an average podcast with, I don't know, half a million views might make 5 to 10,000, which sounds a lot. You know, it's very, very rare. I've only ever had one podcast that's made over 500,000 views, and that was probably about a thousand pounds in cash, which was amazing. But in four years, that's only ever happened once. And my kit costs, you know, best part of close to £10,000 to put everything together in the podcast and all the costs that go into it. And that's just me as one person. So a whole team doing that time and time and time again, flying people out, flying the whole team out to do stuff. I can't imagine there's a lot in it. So there probably is some sponsorship stuff to probably help. But generally, if you look at the other podcasters and content creators in that space, a normal day job would probably pay more than what they would get from doing that. Unless you're at the top two or three. But then the upfront cost of putting together a top, you know, if you look at Chris Ramsey, Area 52, Jesse Michaels, weaponized podcasts, probably not so much because they're a bit less kind of theatrical and, you know, with sets and flying people and all that sort of stuff. But those top two or three are probably spending a ton of money and bringing in quite a lot of money. But it's probably like, once you've paid all of the outgoings, your net profit is probably not that high. So there's got to be a passion there. Yeah, but, yeah, so that's fair. That's a long way of answering that. There's obviously merchandise and all the other bits and pieces that some people have, which makes a bit of extra cash, but I. I'm fairly sure that my day job would probably pay more than their net profit. Profit is after paying expenses, if that makes sense. I wonder how much.

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

Yeah, I wonder how much like, Amazon pays for, like, you know, the. All the different documentaries that they're making. And, you know, I know there's a cost involved, of course, but surely they're making some pretty good royalties and whatnot. So I just think there's. There's more, more incentive than just the passion for some of these folks. That's. That's all I'm trying To say, yeah,

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

there's money, but I think that's part of it. There's money involved in it.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

It.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

But also if you're passionate about something, you're interested in something, it's pretty cool to make a living doing that thing that you're passionate about, even if it doesn't make you tons of money, even if it's not in the niche that makes the most money. You know, like, I could start doing, like, finance stuff or whatever on YouTube and just completely pivot, but it bore the hell out of me. But it might make, you know, a few more pounds in RPM from. From YouTube and Spotify and stuff. So, yeah, I think there's definitely money involved, but it's not as much as people think. And you've got to have a passion to be obsessed with social media. Like, you have to be obsessed with it, the subject, in order to keep you connected for hours and hours a day doing stuff, unless you pay someone else to do it all for you. I suppose that's different. But. Yeah, sorry, I'm getting. I'm digressing here and going off topic. Topic is just.

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

I mean, yeah, it's. It's my fault. It's okay.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, it's not your fault, man. This is. These are all good questions and good points. His. The thing with Bigelow was that he had essentially said, I've given this speech to the way. Word. It was like, I told him to say this, this and this. Maybe it's just the way he talks, but it was like, didn't he tell you to get stuff? Like you told him to say this. But yeah, you were saying, Ezra, like, that's a real simple way. It's not like I'm going to explain the whole thing. It was just there is a presence. It's been here for a long time. It's real, and see you guys later. And he was suggesting. He said on like Air Force One or something to the press.

[Ezra Kelderman (Systems Engineer, Harvard Galileo Project)]

Yeah, I can't remember the specifics on that, but it was definitely intended to be a partial step in letting the public know. Because I think at one point George hinted to saying more and Bigelow was like, no, no, purposely, you know, leaving out details. So I thought it was a good approach.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, completely agree. All right, we've got loads and loads of questions here and I'm conscious of the time. I think we were looking at doing like an hour and we're already a little bit over that, but there's a couple here. Let me. I'll read out the first One. What do you guys think about the US documents being released about. Well, I think we've kind of covered that one. Let's have a look at the British equivalent. Is there a British equivalent of Skinwalker Ranch? No. Stonehenge? Yeah, probably. That's probably the closest that we've got. Stonehenge, where it's kind of weird, but they're not really. We're not having like there's nothing just being worked. Yeah. Like people have sightings. So to people that don't know, Stonehenge is a place in the UK that has stones that are kind of positioned and there's a lot of stories that there's like healing properties there and there's also weird stuff that's been seen and it's on like ley lines or something. I don't really know. And There's a few UFOs that have been photos in the area supposedly, but there's no one that I'm aware of that's working on it. We've certainly not got some property tycoon making a TV show out of it.

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

And, and the pyramids are like, you know, the weights you put on your wheels, you know, just to balance out the earth. Who knows?

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Yeah. Okay, another question here, another UK based one. Is there evidence of a UK military psyop Psionics?

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

No.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Psychic psionics program perhaps within the U.K. sF? I don't know what SF means. U.K. special forces, you know, Kyle, there's two different meanings.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

I don't know.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Former Lockheed Martin. He knows. No, I don't think there is any evidence that I'm aware of that there's a psionics program in the uk. I've not seen any documentation, interviewed anyone that's even hinted at it. I could be wrong. I don't know if you guys have seen anything, but I, I haven't.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

Try not to mess with other countries stuff because that's already out of my realm.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Yeah.

[Ezra Kelderman (Systems Engineer, Harvard Galileo Project)]

And if there was, there's a chance the US would swallow it up anyway, so it's hard to say,

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

that's for sure.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Okay, next one. Go on.

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

No, no, I was going say like I, I was just trying to fill in while you're trying to do that, but I was just gonna, I was curious what people's favorite, you know, UFO videos are and you know, kind of the ones that you believe are, you know, authentic and, and you know, not some made up stuff, nothing hoaxy. So my personal favorite is the Con Burgas Turkey one. That's.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, that's cool.

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

One of those. Anyway, I was curious.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

I'd like to know Ezra's perspective on this. Is there a. Is there a video out there that you have seen that you like, that looks special, like a famous one?

[Ezra Kelderman (Systems Engineer, Harvard Galileo Project)]

I would agree that the turkey one is one of the most interesting to me. You know, it's hard. Like the. The more videos you see and the more years doing this, the harder it is to remember specific things. So, you know, once, you know, once we're off air, I'll probably be like, oh, yeah, this one. But I think the more and more videos that come out and with these tranches and everything, the less I'm paying attention to the videos. And so, yeah, if I could think of another one that would stand out. I mean, one of the most fun, and I hope there's something more interesting about it, is the jellyfish one that Corbell put out. What was that, three or four years ago, maybe? Three, Three. That one, like, kind of gives me goosebumps every time I see it. I don't know how reputable that video is, but it's super cool.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

A couple of them now, right? Like the one just came out, it was in Bagram, Afghanistan.

[Ezra Kelderman (Systems Engineer, Harvard Galileo Project)]

Yeah. And any of those, like those jetpack style videos, those ones always get my attention. I want to know more about them.

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

Those are definitely freaky because you got all these different sensors looking at this thing and it's going from like hot to cold on some of them. So it's not, you know, first glance you're like, oh, that's just like a bunch of balloons floating around. But it's like it's moving pretty quick. I think there was like no wind they reported on this one. I'm just looking at the one right up here. But yeah, it's really interesting to see like all the different data you get from that. And why. Why would it do that? That's a really weird question or weird thing to think about.

[Ezra Kelderman (Systems Engineer, Harvard Galileo Project)]

And someone in the chat mentioned Phoenix Lights and that's while, you know, when was that? 94, something like that. Like the video out there is not the greatest. Could be 96. I'm in that area. So every time I'm, you know, driving up to Phoenix and back down, I'm. I always think about that case and I would love to see better video of that. I mean, I think overall that's top three cases of all time. Yeah, but the videos just don't. There's just like need more detail, need more resolution. Would be great to see some more data on that. And there's probably data that exists on that we just haven't seen yet.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, yeah, I agree. It's such a big case in terms of mass sightings. Like thousands of people saw it and there was multiple bits of video footage and photographs and stuff that have sort of surfaced, but they weren't great. They were just dots in the sky and stuff. But how people described it was like a solid. You could see the shape of it. It was clear. It was like the bloody, you know, mothership kind of thing.

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

What about the. Has it been debunked or whatever? About the Malaysian flight that went missing and the, the orbs spinning around it? That. That's. I mean, that's gotta be bs, right? Because how can you have like a cat or a satellite from the space.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

You're opening a can of worms here, Phil. Can of worms. MA370.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

Yeah, it's a predator drone that was filming coming up.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, let me, let me give a. Let me give a bit of context. I know that you've got an opinion on this car, and I know that it's. It's a Ashton Forbes type situation. So I, I interviewed. I interviewed Salvatore Pais, who is very interesting. Former or current Space Force? Perhaps you can tell me car. Was he former or current? You don't know?

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

I think he's current. His email still shows up. So, yeah, it was Navy, but I think he's Space Force now.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Yeah. So he recently started sort of supporting the Ashton Forbes hypothesis. Ashton Forbes is very well known for this, this kind of position. I guess that this flight was taken out by these orbs kind of rotating. And he believed that he sees some of his work, his science, his patents or whatever within this technology. So it's kind of suggesting he believes they've used his patents to create something but not involved him in it. That's kind of what it suggests. That's not directly what he said, but that's what I got from it. And Ashton is very. A divisive character, shall we say, in the community. Quite divisive. I'll leave it at that. Some people love him, some people don't, but he's very much all in on this case and talks about it a lot. And to be fair, he's very, very, very intelligent guy and he's got some really unique takes on it and I don't really understand it. So I can't say he's wrong or I can't say he's right because I don't really understand it. What do you reckon then, Kyle? What are your Thoughts on this case

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

through my trained AI, you know, just trying to figure it out because he kept talking about it and I'm like, what is this? Like, this video is very like, you know, very specific. Those three orbs were perfect synced, you know, flying around a geon. I'm butcher all the words, geosynchronous orbit and. But it was just like my videos explain it so much better. But it really does seem real. Supposedly this video was debunked. I heard that it was even from a video game. But the way it conducted itself and the plasma and like the, the void afterwards, it was just like either that thing is completely destroyed, destroyed, destroyed, or got teleported. But from what I was researching what AI was telling me, like, I don't know how far you want to go into this, but it said that there was 20 Malaysian and Chinese people that were going essentially over there to move this UFO that they're building along further and sounded like basically they were building these little plasma drone orbs and they almost took them out with their own equipment. It seemed like tech, which is pretty disturbing, but I wouldn't put it past my own government to do that.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, I mean, silence the.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

Because they don't want China to essentially get the tech, I guess, which is like, Is that really effective? Because it seems like they could have got it anyway. But everything I was reading also is saying that China is like, they hacked our stuff, they're catching up. They're like right at the door with us. Even though we don't have anything thing.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

You know, Carl, what we've got ex. Locked. Former, current, current space Force, Carl. Not, you know, some stuff.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

That was the Lockheed Martin side where I saw that. That's all I'm saying.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, exactly, exactly. We're going to apply you with some alcohol later. Yeah, I, I, I'm not, I'm not sold on the MH370 thing personally. I just, it just sounds like, I know that people say extraordinary, extraordinary evidence requires extraordinary claims. I should say requires extraordinary evidence. And I push back against that. You just, you don't, you just need evidence. You just need to be good enough. But this is like proper extraordinary claims that your own government are gonna, you know, murder a load of innocent, totally innocent people on board an aircraft. Like it just seems too much too, it seems too much. But I'm not saying it's impossible, but I'm just based on that. And they're not really being anything else other than Ash Forbes and what he said and some of the stuff he's put forward. I can't. I can't get over the fence on that.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

Yeah, I was just reacting to the video. The video is very, like, what the hell?

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Yeah.

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

There's like, a couple different angles on it, too, right? There's, like, a feel.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

Like there is.

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

Yeah.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

I feel like I've seen. Maybe it was a rendition, but one of them supposedly was real. I did, like, triangulation. Yeah. That's what it starts to make me wonder. I'm like, did I see that? Because I always saw the absence of light, but then I definitely saw it was darker. So unless it was making, like, a dark void of, like, space inside those orbs. And maybe that's what I saw, but I never saw anything like. I know I've told you this, obviously, Jimmy, but it was just those three orbs. Perfectly. And it, you know, equilateral triangle. So I don't know. It could have been maybe nothing in the middle, but it was just black. Blacker than the night sky.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Yeah.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

So I assumed there was something there.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

And that's very much how a lot of the other reports that are coming out from. They're like, a lot of FBI reports in the latest tranche talking about, like, very black in the center, blacker than black. Just can't see the sky.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

That's why the only reason I even noticed it, I was like, what the hell is that dark spot? And then I realized, oh, there's a light in each corner, and it's turning weird.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

All right, let me jump into a couple of other questions. One, was any luck contacting Yuri Keller? And. Hi, Machete from Leandro, my good friend. I think I answered that one earlier, didn't I? No luck whatsoever. When should we expect catastrophic disclosure? That is from Captain Colonel Crispy. When what is catastrophic? Have we. Did we discussed this? What is catastrophic? I can't even say it. Catastrophic disclosure. What is that?

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

Somebody who supposedly knows all the information, releases it just all in one go?

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Looking at you, Ezra, Ezra, Ezra, let me come to you. What, in your opinion, what would. Have you thought about this at all? What would catastrophic disclosure look like?

[Ezra Kelderman (Systems Engineer, Harvard Galileo Project)]

Yeah, I've thought about it quite a bit, especially when that was a. That was a key word. What? A couple years ago, it was used a lot.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

It's everywhere.

[Ezra Kelderman (Systems Engineer, Harvard Galileo Project)]

It's everywhere. But, yeah, it was never really clear what that meant, and I don't know. You know, there's been opinions on it, but, yeah, I think more or less it sounds like it's somebody that has enough information just going around their NDAs or whatever classifications they're held to and coming out with it. But yeah, I think it sounds like we're getting closer and closer to that, whatever it is, and at least that that seems to be the narrative in the community. And I think it's going to have to be something involving a group of people with that ability, not just one person dropping it because of how quickly people get tribal and pile on up against something. You know, you're looking at the Gerb Lou situation regardless of who's right wrong. Both right. Both wrong. Somebody picks a side and instantly goes crazy with it. But yeah, it sounds like there's going to have to be some group of whistleblowers probably within, you know, Grush's group that he's pulled together over the years, just letting it fly. That's how I've envisioned it. I really don't know when you need

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[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, interesting.

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

Yeah, I think when they come down with a big old mothership just floating over a few different cities, they're like, hey, you're like, okay, we're, we're either doomed or about to evolve and life is about to change. One of the two. You know,

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

I, I wonder if, I wonder if it could be even more bland than that. And I said, this might sound a bit strange because that's not so much catastrophic, but I wonder if catastrophic could be that we get some formal statement from Donald Trump or whoever, or the United nations or European Parliament over here, whatever, and they say, yes, this is real yes, it exists, but we're not going to tell you anything else. And then the whole world could go, whoa, this is, this is crazy to tell us everything. And they go, no, we can't. It's national security because of whatever in their mind, I don't know, this is Manhattan Project 10.0. You know, it's too, it's too dangerous. We can't do anything else. So it's real, but carry on with your day jobs. And then everyone just goes, no, this is not acceptable. We need to know what the hell's going on. And then that has that knock on effect for society, law and order and blah, blah, blah. That could be, be. But, and, but that is like, in terms of like a physical massive craft or a big event. Nothing, you know, it's nothing really other than somebody standing there going, oh, yeah, it's real. Like if Trump did his speech that Robert Bigelow suggested when he was on Air Force One, he just like opens the door to the press and goes, yeah, aliens are real. They're definitely real. We know all about them. Cheers, guys. And then closes the door and walks back and like, that's it, that's the, the event. You know, it's not like a mothership landed, it's just him saying something and then walking off. But that has a chain of events, that or chain reaction, I should say. That has a catastrophic result or reaction. That'd be a bit sad really. We never really know. We're just super, super freaked out because we've been given information that we need to know the answer to and they won't. But. Yeah, I don't know, just a thought.

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

Like in man of Steel, when they come down and they take over all the airwaves, your phone, everything thing. Yeah, yeah. Then you'll know.

[Ezra Kelderman (Systems Engineer, Harvard Galileo Project)]

Yeah.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Carl, what do you think? What's, what's catastrophic disclosure look like to you?

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

I don't see it happening. I feel like we got to slowly keep trickling away at this. We all got to keep talking about the uncomfortable. Unless there's an insider that is. Has so much stuff that they're literally going to release it all. But why would they do that? They're going to get killed. They're not going to get their retirement. They and all sorts of. There's no benefit for them coming out with it, you know, like, that's how I feel.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

But yeah, but what, what is it? What, what, what would, what would it be? What would catastrophic disclosure be?

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

Somebody would have to know so much that it's undeniable.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Yeah.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

And provide evidence, but even then, everybody doesn't believe anybody. So it's like, you know, so would that be.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Would that mean then if. If I understand you correctly, so catastrophic disclosure to you would be if somebody with all of the evidence just came forward with that evidence without coordination with officials like the government or whatever? That would be.

[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

The whole point, I thought, is, like, I'm not going through any of the chains or just dumping it all out there, and y' all can figure it out, but it should be obviously presented in a way that can be figured out.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That makes sense. Yeah. Because I didn't know. I didn't know what that even meant when people kept saying, you know, if we don't get it from the government, then we might get catastrophic disclosure. I'm thinking, what does that even mean? What does that. Is that. Is that someone coming out? Is that a mothership landing? Is that, you know, them landing and just telling us, or. I don't know. Don't know what that means. Very strange. All right, guys, well, look, I've. I think we've. I think we've covered pretty much. I mean, there's lots of questions, but a lot of them are fairly similar. All we've answered already earlier on, big shout out to everybody that sent messages in voicemails, in. Apologies if we didn't get to any of your questions. There's a few bits there about secret machines and Tom delong and those guys, and Nordics and grays and mantids. Let's ask. Let me ask this question. Let me. Because I'd like to know. I want to know what Ezra thinks about this. Ezra once did a podcast wearing. Not a podcast, a video wearing a gray, gray mask. Didn't you? Do you remember that? For a Christmas thing a few years back. A couple years.

[Ezra Kelderman (Systems Engineer, Harvard Galileo Project)]

Yes. Yeah.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

That was awesome, man. I was like, no, that's. That's Ezra. Am I allowed to. Am I supposed to say that's you? I can't remember. Was it a secret?

[Ezra Kelderman (Systems Engineer, Harvard Galileo Project)]

What if it's not a mask? You know, I'm wearing my mask right now.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Well, this is it. If they were among us, where would they be? They'd be at Harvard's Galileo Project, just controlling what comes in and what gets let out.

[Ezra Kelderman (Systems Engineer, Harvard Galileo Project)]

It's right. They would put this many years into. Into studying this as a cover.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Yeah.

[Ezra Kelderman (Systems Engineer, Harvard Galileo Project)]

Never know.

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

I've just finished watching Battlestar Galactica, you know, from, like, the 2004, 2010. Somewhere in there, and, you know, maybe we're all just a bunch of Cylons, man. And what's really weird, I. I texted you this, Jimmy, but like, the. When you put your little story up, advertising this live event, event, you picked all along the Watchtower, which happens to be a common thread throughout that entire show.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Interesting.

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

Very.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Synchronicity, some would say.

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

Maybe we're all just a bunch of robots, you know, who knows?

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Maybe Armando, the theories just get more and more ridiculous. But then we. We are in the ridiculous space. I know that, and I don't mean to sort of diminish the. The subject or. Or stigmatize it, but it's just everything is crazy. You know, we are in that space of ext. You know, just stories that just keep coming, but then they all seem to slowly piece to piece together. And then when you're in that space and you're hearing it all the time, it's not crazy so much anymore because you hear it and you. You read the stories and you see some data and the, you know, stuff that's released later on declassified, and then it becomes less. But to an outsider looking in, it's like, this is just batshit. You know, it is to. To an outsider until you get inside. And even there are obviously still some stories that are still, you know, pretty much the other side of the fence that I'm on. But a lot of it just kind of adds up. And you're like, but there's so much. There's so many things. So many things that send you off on wild goose chases sometimes or down rabbit holes or whatever the other.

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

They've probably already had a cataclysmic or catastrophic disclosure in the other timeline. And they're like, oh, that didn't go so well. Let's just do another timeline shift on these folks. They'll never know.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Yeah.

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

Who knows? Gonna talk to cern.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

All right, guys. Well, look, I've really enjoyed this. I think we've been going for a while. This is. To anyone still listening. There's a few people. That's cool. I really appreciate it. I know that there was some. Perhaps some issues with audio. I'm gonna play. I'm gonna put this out probably on Spotify. My software can clean up a lot of the audio and the. The software that I use to live stream this is Riverside, which is a really good platform for it, but it also has some audio procedures, shall we say, when it does the recording, so it can kind of take the original audio and the original video and all that sort of stuff. Probably don't need to know any of this. I'm digressing. But long story short, hopefully the audio will be better later on if there are any issues with that, but it should be up on YouTube later and probably Spotify tomorrow. Thank you so much, guys, for joining me and taking a chance on this very first amateurish live stream. I really enjoyed it. It's fun. It's an opportunity just to do it on the hoof and just talk about whatever comes up. So that's fun. See, it was all right with it. That was okay. That was okay. I mean, ultimately, look, if this all goes wrong, it's all on me. I'm the one that's embarrassed and looks ridiculous. You guys are just sitting there like, yeah, Jimmy was. I don't know what he was thinking. I just thought I'd help him out just on this one live stream and see how it goes. Goes. But yeah, he messed that up. I'm never going on that show again.

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

It's probably better that you were the producer. You know, a couple times I was like. I was like, hey, hey, Jimmy, can you pull it up?

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, yeah, Jamie, that would have been cool, though. I was hoping that. I was hoping that you could do the producing ambie on camera feel so I could then. So I could say, jamie, can you pull that one up? And then when it took you five minutes to try and figure out, I'd be like, jamie, look, Jamie, all Jamie's fault. This would have been smooth without it.

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

Ben, you're literally the one that we can actually call Jamie. Isn't it like a derivative of James?

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, yeah. We are both technically James's, I believe. Unless he is just a Jamie. I don't know.

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

I'll be Joe, you be Jamie. It's cool though. It's been interesting and fun.

[Jimmy (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, nice one. All right, guys, well, look, thank you so much for. For getting stuck in and. And helping me out with this one. I hope the people at home and watching and listening enjoyed it or got something from it or just other laugh. Yeah. All right, guys, we'll cut it there.

[Ezra Kelderman (Systems Engineer, Harvard Galileo Project)]

Thanks, guys.

[Phil (Commercial Pilot)]

See you guys.

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[Kyle Knopp (Space Force Tech / Electronics Mechanic)]

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