What REALLY Happened to Skywatcher? The Story Doesn’t Add Up

Summary

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UAP Files Podcast

Episode: What REALLY Happened to Skywatcher? The Story Doesn’t Add Up

Date: August 12, 2026
Host: Jimmy (UAP Files Podcast)
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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into the mysterious disappearance of Skywatcher, the once-promising civilian UAP investigation group that made bold claims about imminent disclosure. With rumors swirling about government involvement, host Jimmy analyzes the timeline, examines footage, interviews insiders, and probes the contentious fate of the project—ultimately questioning whether Skywatcher delivered on its promises, got absorbed by secretive government programs, or simply faded away.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Rise and Fall of Skywatcher

• Launch and Hype: Skywatcher’s YouTube channel went live on January 18, 2025, one week before Jake Barber’s high-profile appearance on NewsNation making bold disclosure claims (03:03).
• Resources & Credibility: The team had significant backing—access to helicopters, land, investment, and a credible roster including financier Alex Klokus and scientist Gary Nolan (03:18).
• Disappearance: After releasing only two cinematic videos and amassing over 120,000 subscribers, Skywatcher abruptly ceased communication and activity—leaving fans, promoters, and collaborators with no formal explanation (03:41, 04:02).

2. Hints of Government Integration

• James Fowler's Departure: Fowler (founder/consultant) publicly thanked Skywatcher as he announced his pivot to "contracting with the US Government," suggesting a move of Skywatcher assets or personnel into a special access program (04:55).
  • Notable Quote:
    “I am excited to focus on new ventures in aerial intelligence ... I remain proud of my foundational contributions at Skywatcher and wish the team continued success.” – James Fowler [04:29]
• Public Response: Skywatcher’s official account and associates congratulated Fowler on entering a government contract, fueling rumors of the group’s integration into classified domains.

3. The Psionics Angle: Insider Perspective

• Interview with 'John' (Skywatcher Psionic Member):
  • Practices: Members conducted group meditations to “call in” UAPs while others attempted to capture phenomena on camera. Little crossover between the “psionics” (intention/meditation) and the tech side (“dog whistle”) (06:33).
  • Effectiveness: John opined that smaller groups or solo efforts were more effective in summoning phenomena than large-group meditations (07:28).
    • Notable Quote:
      “The smaller the group, the easier it is ... when you’re solo, you own the process.” – John [07:28]
  • Current Status: The core team has splintered; some, like Mike, are pursuing independent or commercial ventures, while others, like Jordan Jozak, are running public events. John himself is “freestyling”—operating alone and building a social presence (08:48).

4. Lack of Evidence & Official Skepticism

• Pentagon Response: Host Jimmy interviewed Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick (director, All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office), who confirmed having met the Skywatcher team but found “absolutely nothing credible”—no data, photos, or video offered (10:42).
  • Notable Quote:
    “We’ve talked to them. Absolutely. I found absolutely nothing credible about it. They weren’t able to produce any evidence.” – Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick [10:42]
• Community Frustration: Despite Skywatcher’s YouTube/video output, Kirkpatrick’s dismissal and the Pentagon’s lack of further comment left observers frustrated with the team’s refusal to provide substantive evidence or direct responses (12:32).

5. Speculation, Rumor, and the El Paso Connection

• Rumors of Special Access Program:
  • Sparked by public statements (e.g., Congressman Eric Burleson discussing a successful UAP “capture event”) and government-linked departures among Skywatcher staff (14:06).
    • Notable Quote:
      “They basically tried to set up a perfect case scenario ... it was very successful. This only happened a few months ago. This is when the whole conversation changed.” – Eric Burleson [14:06]
  • Geographic Activity: Flight tracking and social media posts put Jake Barber and the Skywatcher helicopter near Van Horn/El Paso/White Sands (all known for military testing, including the rumored February 2026 El Paso airspace shutdown), adding to the intrigue (15:01, 15:55).
• Theories on the Disappearance:
  • Theory 1: Sold technology to US Government; absorbed into a classified program (15:53).
  • Theory 2: Laying low to prepare for a grand return and true disclosure (16:44).
  • Theory 3: Failed to achieve promised results and spun the “government absorption” rumor to save face (17:15).

6. Community Disappointment and Call for Accountability

• Broken Promises: Jimmy emphasizes the disappointment of Skywatcher’s supporters and calls for members like Jake Barber and Alex Klokus to clarify what really happened.
  • Notable Quote:
    “They made promises to us and they took us on board and we supported them and we promoted them and now we’re not really getting anything back from them.” – Host Jimmy [18:23]
• Ongoing Investigation: Jimmy invites feedback, pledges to pursue further responses from the Pentagon and Skywatcher leadership, and underscores the need for transparency in the disclosure movement (18:23–end).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “This is why I know disclosure is coming ... We should be able to answer those questions probably entirely in the next 12 months.” – Jake Barber [01:46]
• “No formal explanation to any of us ... then they disappeared. They ghosted us.” – Narrator/Host [04:02]
• “The smaller the group, the easier it is ... when you’re solo, you own the process.” – John [07:28]
• “We’ve talked to them. Absolutely. I found absolutely nothing credible about it.” – Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick [10:42]
• “They made promises to us and they took us on board ... now we’re not really getting anything back from them.” – Host Jimmy [18:23]
• “I’d really like to talk this one through ... and if I get anything back ... then I’ll let you know. Until the next one, take it easy, guys.” – Host Jimmy [18:41]

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Important Timestamps

• 01:46 – Jake Barber makes 12-month disclosure prediction
• 03:03 – Skywatcher’s rapid YouTube rise and public excitement
• 04:29 – James Fowler signals shift to US Government work
• 06:33 – ‘John’ details Skywatcher’s psionics process
• 07:28 – Effectiveness of group vs. solo UAP summoning
• 10:42 – Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick dismisses Skywatcher evidence
• 14:06 – Eric Burleson hints at successful UAP capture/test
• 15:01/15:55 – Tracking the Skywatcher helicopter near El Paso, TX
• 17:15 – Presentation of three theories on Skywatcher’s disappearance
• 18:23 – Host’s call for direct answers from Skywatcher leadership

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Final Thoughts & Next Steps

• The episode exposes the unresolved, contentious, and rumor-laden fate of one of the most promising “citizen disclosure” efforts in UAP research.
• Despite tantalizing hints and rumors, definitive answers remain elusive. The episode ends with a call to Skywatcher leaders for honesty and accountability, and an open invitation for listeners to share their theories and evidence.
• Stay tuned via Instagram: @UAP_Files and Substack for follow-ups as new information emerges.

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For feedback or to join the discussion:
Comment on UAP Files’ Instagram & Substack, or message Jimmy directly.

Transcript

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Over the next 12 months, we should be able to answer the following questions.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

What UFOs look like, who pilots them

[Narrator/Host]

and where they come from.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

That's the claim that was made by

[Narrator/Host]

Jake barber back in January 2025.

[Guest Optimist]

There's a real message here from you of incredible optimism about what this could represent.

[Jake Barber]

Yeah, this is why I know disclosure is coming. And guess what? It's going to come out in the most beautiful way. I believe the United States government in the next 12 months is going to use me and my team as a peaceful, non judgmental path forward to disclosure. They're going to help us conduct our operations and gather evidence in order to present this subject matter to the public so that these questions can be answered once and for all. And all the questions I'm talking about, what do the craft look like? How do they operate who is operating them, how are they being operated and where are they coming from? We should be able to answer those questions probably entirely in the next 12 months.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Where is Skywatcher now?

[Narrator/Host]

They have disappeared for all intents and purposes.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Now there's some explosive claims about Skywatcher

[Narrator/Host]

being integrated into the US government.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

So today we're going to get into that and spoiler alert.

[Narrator/Host]

I track the Sky Watcher helicopter.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Skywatcher created their YouTube channel on 18

[Narrator/Host]

January 2025, just one week before Jake Barber's NewsNation appearance, where they made bold claims of disclosure. Within 12 months their YouTube Chann put

[Co-host/Interviewer]

out incredible cinematic videos and it was

[Narrator/Host]

clear they had investment, they had land, they had helicopters and apparently credibility and credentials.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Alex Klokus, a financier, tech entrepreneur and

[Narrator/Host]

media founder who was so involved in the leadership of the group that he personally registered the Skywatcher AI domain in his name in December 2024, just a month before Skywatcher launched their YouTube efforts and Jake Barber appeared on News Nation making big claims. But after two exciting parts of their supposedly multi part series of encouraging exciting YouTube videos and over 120,000 subscribers to their channel, they go dark. No disclosure, no explanation on the origins of the craft or recovery of a craft as it was suggested. Just rumor.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

And importantly, no formal explanation to any of us.

[Narrator/Host]

People like me who had helped promote them, who was excited over what could come of them. I made videos, I wrote articles in defense of them, asking people to give them the benefit of the doubt and support them until evidence points to the lack of trust. At that point there wasn't. We were excited. Let's give them the benefit of the doubt. Then they disappeared. They ghosted us. We did have hints of what might be happening first from James Fowler. James Fowler posted on Twitter on 18 August 2025 that he had the opportunity to serve as founder and consultant to Skywatcher, where he led field operations supporting the mission of exploring UAP and advancing their domain awareness. He said. I'm stepping away from active involvement with Skywatcher. With my contributions now limited to my foundational work, I am excited to focus on new ventures in aerial intelligence dedicated to building innovative technology to address complex challenges in this field, he said. I remain proud of my foundational contributions at Skywatcher and wish the team continued success in the future endeavors. And he's copied In Skywatcher hq, Jake Barber and Professor Gary Nolan and Skywatcher's official X account reposted this message saying the Skywatcher team is excited to Congratulate James Fowler on his new venture contracting with the US Government and we sincerely thank him for his contributions to Skywatcher. He has played a key role in all of our field operations and in the data we have collected to date. So you probably agree there is a suggestion there, a hint at least that at least part of the Skywatcher team has been incorporated into the US Government. A special access program, potentially. This gets very interesting and I'll get into this a little bit later. Let's move on. So what came of the psionics that worked on the Sky Watcher team? Potentially. If James Fowler has taken his dog whistle, the electronic summoning device, off to

[Co-host/Interviewer]

the US Government, what about the remainder

[Narrator/Host]

of the Sky Watcher guys, the psionic assets?

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Well, I sat down with one of

[Narrator/Host]

them, John, who told me what he thought had happened to Skywatcher.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

You've touched on Skywatcher a fair bit there and there's a lot of intrigue around them. I would love to know what like, I mean, I don't know how much you can say if you've got like an NDA or if you're free to talk or whatever, but. But what? You know, what does a day out with Skywatcher actually entail? You know, is there several of you, I. E. People that are doing the sort of C5 work or is there just one of you at a time? How does it sort of work?

[John (Skywatcher Psionic Member)]

Well, I guess I can speak to what's on YouTube. And there was multiple of us meditating at the same time. We had like a, like a pre. Meditation, just sort of gathering the intention and then we go into our own modalities. But as a group and as we're doing that, we're just hoping that things come in for the documentation side to capture and film. There was a technology side that I got zero exposure to. So I know nothing about that. I just know they called it the dog whistle just like anybody else I have about their much knowledge. But for the psionics, we would meditate periodically for fairly long amount of time. And just as a group. Yeah, but each doing our own kind of ways, but simultaneously.

[Narrator/Host]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Did you feel like it was. You were more sort of successful with it as a group than when you had previously done it on your own?

[John (Skywatcher Psionic Member)]

No, not necessarily. I think as a group was a little bit different where it's just, I don't know, you're not as in much control. You're a part of, of a, of a bigger process where when you're a solo, you own the process. Sometimes at Skywatcher when I would go out by myself in my own preferred timeframe, maybe 8pm, 9pm I was seeing a lot more sky activity than later in the night as a group. But then there were moments as a group that was magical where things came overhead that defied logic and you could just feel that it responded to the call out. But no, I think, and most psionics would agree with me that the smaller the group, the easier it is and that that almost counter. Like a lot of people will think, oh man, I want to get like enlarged. If more of us come together, it'll happen. Not necessarily. I, I hope that that can happen, but it is easier the smaller the group, in my opinion.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

What's. Do you know much about what's happening with the Sky Watcher guys now? Because I know that we, we got a lot from them maybe like six months back and just prior to that, but it seemed to have petered off and we've not really heard much from them in the last six months. I don't know if you still connected to those guys or if you're going to be doing more with them. Are we going to see more from them?

[John (Skywatcher Psionic Member)]

I hope so. I think Mike is starting to kind of go through his own endeavor, entrepreneurial ways of using psionics to show more people. But also it seems to be somewhat of a professional route, which was interesting. Jordan Jozak's doing his own thing, Shout Out Jordan, where I think he's having events that people can go to and take part. You know, it's not, it's not cheap to put on an event, so I imagine there's a ticket price, but. And then myself, I'm just, you know, freestyling it where I'm calling out to the sky and filming what coming, what comes in and trying to kind of build socials maybe. And J2 is, J2 is interesting. He's.

[Jake Barber]

He, he.

[John (Skywatcher Psionic Member)]

He's not very out there on the social media platforms, but when he is, it's pretty profound what he says. And he wrote book actually called Psionicology and it's very interesting. But yeah, everyone's just doing their own thing. Nobody's kind of getting back as a group, I don't believe. I think J2 and Mike meet up out west a lot or more often than the rest of us. But yeah, no, everyone's kind of doing their own thing. I haven't heard anything since the event I went to and I don't know. I guess it's all for the good though. Like everything I think is going to unfold the way it should. So if Skywatcher needed to sort of disband, quote unquote, then so be it. And we keep flowing.

[Narrator/Host]

Now, whatever you make of Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick, he was the director of the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office. I had the opportunity to interview him and one of the questions I put to him was had he met or even heard of Skywatcher? And very interestingly, not only had he heard of them, he had met them.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Have you, Are you aware of Skywatcher, Jake Barber and those guys that say that they've got data and they're able to summon and they've got a dog whistle and all that sort of stuff? Have you had any contact with those guys or.

[Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick]

I've heard about that, yep.

[Jake Barber]

Mm.

[Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick]

We've talked to them. Absolutely. I found absolutely nothing credible about it.

[Narrator/Host]

Okay.

[Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick]

They weren't able to produce any evidence. They weren't able to produce any pictures, documents, video, data, anything. Right. It was.

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Yeah, now, regardless of what you think of Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick, and honestly, I take everything he says with a pinch of salt. I'm not, not naive, but he is probably the only current or former Pentagon official who has made any public comment about Skywatcher. He claims that he met with them, they gave no data, no photographs and no videos.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Now, I know a lot of people are going to stop me there and

[Narrator/Host]

say, hang on a minute, we've all seen the data that they've put out there.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

They put it out there on their YouTube channel.

[Narrator/Host]

It's been on X.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

But that's not what Sean was saying. Sean was saying that they didn't bring

[Narrator/Host]

any data with them. And I don't think the Pentagon's going to accept a link to a YouTube video as evidence. So why is that?

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Now they've got the opportunity to respond to that.

[Narrator/Host]

I reached out to them and I haven't had a response.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

So I'm putting that in there because that's pretty much all that we've got at this point.

[Narrator/Host]

Let's move on.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

As I said earlier, I did reach out to Alex.

[Narrator/Host]

I haven't had a response from him. I reached out to the Pentagon's public affairs officer, Suzanne Gough, who seems to

[Co-host/Interviewer]

be the middle person between anything within the Pentagon and released to the public.

[Narrator/Host]

So she's like the liaison for anything UAP related. She did reply to me, but essentially I've got nothing for you today.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

I'll let you know if I do get anything and I'll post it on

[Narrator/Host]

Instagram, which is my main hq, if

[Co-host/Interviewer]

you don't follow already.

[Narrator/Host]

Uapfiles on Instagram and I'll also stick it up on substack now, interestingly, the current rumor is that Skywatcher has been gobbled up into some kind of US Government special access program. And comments made by Eric Burleson recently on the Annie Frey show have kind of fueled that on an event that

[Eric Burleson]

occurred where they basically tried to set up a perfect case scenario where that would cause UAP to, to come in and then to capture them or to try to try to document them or record them. And it was very successful. So this is, this is when this only happened a few months ago. And this is when the whole conversation changed.

[Narrator/Host]

The rumors are that some of these testing and weird behaviors and U. S Government testing has taken place somewhere near El Paso and White sands remember the February 2026 El Paso airspace shut, rumored to be an active UAP shootdown attempt. The official explanation subsequently became that a Mexican drug cartel drone had crossed into US airspace and that the threat had been neutralized. Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy said the closure

[Co-host/Interviewer]

resulted from the DOD and the FAA

[Narrator/Host]

responding to a cartel drone incursion. But back on April 6, 2025, I spotted this image Jake Barber took in front of his helicopter. I found it intriguing that he had allowed the registration or tail number to be in the picture. I immediately screen grabbed it, checked flight tracker to see where he was hanging out, and it came back to Van Horn, Texas. Just up the road from El Paso International Airport. And just up the road from there is White Sands, where they test missiles and so forth. I know Pavel from Secoactivo podcast has been looking into El Paso and White Sands cases for a while now. And more recently, Ross Coultart from News Nation. Reality check. He was covering it too. So I dug up the screen grabs from my phone. It's strange that Jake and his Skywatcher team have been operating in and around that area.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

It takes just 45 to 50 minutes

[Narrator/Host]

to fly from Van Horn, Texas to El Paso International Airport. Loss of desert. It looks like vast open spaces that they operated in, at least with that helicopter for a good six days that I'm aware of. So where are we going with this? Well, let's look at three theories. Theory one, Skywatcher decided that they wanted to come together and build some kind of technology, sell it to the US Government and somehow be incorporated into a special access program. So now they had access to the goods, and in order to do that, they had to go out there, threaten to release this publicly, give everything to everybody. So the government had no option but to just take them on and pay them out, and probably give them quite a lot of cash. That's number one. Theory two, that Skywatcher haven't actually stopped, that they've gone dark for a while because they're working behind the scenes to

[Co-host/Interviewer]

bring about disclosure and that they're going

[Narrator/Host]

to come back with YouTube episode three and just give us everything disclosure, where the crafts come from, what the crafts look like, who pilots them, all of the stuff that they said they were going to give us within 12 months. So then we come to theory three, that Skywatcher have in fact not really achieved the things that they set out to achieve. They haven't figured out where the craft come from, who pilots the craft, haven't got any clear photos of the craft, and we haven't really achieved this sort of disclosure from Skywatcher.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

And in fact, rather than coming forward

[Narrator/Host]

and saying, look, we've not achieved what we thought we were going to achieve, they've said, yeah, we have. We were so good at what we did that we got gobbled up by

[Co-host/Interviewer]

the US Government and now we're part

[Narrator/Host]

of a special access program. Although I haven't said that.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

That's kind of the rumor that's been put out there.

[Narrator/Host]

And sources from where ever have passed that on to content creators and media personalities because they save face doing that. Not that we failed, but that we were so successful that they had to take us on and that we had to get involved in national security to help them out. Now, I'm not going to point my finger and say this is definitely what's

[Co-host/Interviewer]

happening because I just don't know. And I don't think that's overly useful

[Narrator/Host]

unless you've got data and evidence to

[Co-host/Interviewer]

point to that there are some things

[Narrator/Host]

that I don't feel comfortable about and they just don't sit right. But equally, they were clearly there. They were working and operating in that area, the El Paso and sort of

[Co-host/Interviewer]

White Sands, where all of that weird stuff's been happening.

[Narrator/Host]

And we've had the recent comments from Congressman Burleson about this event that's taken place that sort of changed Washington. So that's really, really interesting. I just don't know. I really, really would appreciate somebody like Jake Barber coming forward or Alex Clackas

[Co-host/Interviewer]

coming forward and saying that this is

[Narrator/Host]

actually what's happened and giving us something. Because they made promises to us and they took us on board and we supported them and we promoted them and now we're not really getting anything back from them. So if I've missed anything, if you

[Co-host/Interviewer]

think I'm wrong, if you think I'm

[Narrator/Host]

right, whatever, let me know in the comments below.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

I'd really like to talk this one through.

[Narrator/Host]

I'd like to follow this up and if I get anything back from the Pentagon or from Alex from my messages, then I'll let you know. Until the next one. Take it easy, guys.

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