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Ep.252 The Saucer Ride (Throwback)
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Throwbacks are where I re-release old episodes from the archives. So don't worry if you have heard it already, as 'New episodes' will continue to come out on Sundays. To get some of the old episodes heard. ~~~ Tonight's guest is Mark from California,...
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Mark (UFO Encounteree)
TWA517, do you want to report a UFO?
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Paranormal Radio Announcer
Negative.
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Mark (UFO Encounteree)
We don't want to report.
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Air Traffic Controller / Radio Operator
Aries31 do you wish to report a UFO?
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Air Traffic Controller / Radio Operator
We want to report one of those either.
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Mark (UFO Encounteree)
Aries31, do you wish to file a report of any kind? I wouldn't know what kind of report to file. Center Aries 31 me neither.
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Air Traffic Controller / Radio Operator
There's 71 Papa Golf. Go ahead. If there was anybody at above us it passed us like 30 seconds ago. There's seven one top of golf. Negative. Okay, something a UFO. It's American 1095. Yeah, something just passed over like a. Don't know what it was, but it's at least 2,3000ft above us. So. Yeah, I passed right over the top of us. Nine, one one. You guys go there. We just called them off the meal fours. We thought they're out there flanking airplanes. Okay, Bob, I swear to God.
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Mark (UFO Encounteree)
Four calls in on an unidentified object over Liberty.
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Air Traffic Controller / Radio Operator
Four calls. Four calls on an unidentified flying object. All right, we'll check it out.
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Nick Hunter (UFO Chronicles Host)
Welcome to UFO Chronicles, a place where people share their experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had an encounter and would like to be on the show, you can email me at ufochronicles mail.com. Hello, everyone and welcome to the show. How are you all doing? I'm Nick Hunter and this is the UFO Chronicles podcast. Tonight's guest is Mark in California sharing his strange alien encounters which began in his childhood. Mark is up next. But first, if you enjoy the show and you would like to help support the podcast on Patreon, you can do this for as little as $1 a month. Head on over to www.patreon.com ufocroniclespodcast. You can also find a link in the description of this episode below. Any help is very much appreciated. Now on with the show. Good evening, Mark, and welcome to the show. Thank you for joining us today. And you're calling from California?
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Mark (UFO Encounteree)
Yes.
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Nick Hunter (UFO Chronicles Host)
Now, Mark, you have some experiences you're going to be sharing with us tonight. Would you like to start the beginning please, sir?
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Mark (UFO Encounteree)
Yeah, I've been wanting to. This first time I've ever talked about it on. But I wrote it down. I've never really, like a lot of other people, you know, they have a YouTube channel or something, aliens, whatever you want to call them. The other intelligence told me to like write it down. They told me to make a book, you know, but I never, I just never did it. But I wrote down like a lot of stuff because they just gave me a lot of stuff. But it was all kind of in my mind, you know. But anyway, I guess where should I start? I should start where. When I was younger, off and on I would. I didn't really attach anything to. I have this like spiral feel right upon going to sleep. Felt like this. In the half awake state right when you're going out to sleep. I remember this little like corkscrew like twisting feeling where you just feel like, like really euphoric, like right to the center of your chest. You were just part of this chunky spiral that was just going like turn really low. You know, you're just the center of this giant, like a whirlpool, but as if you were just turning real slow, you know, just. But I used to have that feeling like I didn't really know what it was. But, you know, I kind of remember back when I was seven maybe, and then like early teens, I would. I remember having that feeling. And then I remember I was like about 15. I mean, I remember it kind of twice before. But then I remember one time when I was like about 15 and I wasn't even 16 or 17. It was like mid teens or. I remember one time I thought, yeah, I want to go sleep outside. I just had this thought. I remember taking my mattress. I slept outside on the edge of this field. And I remember that night I had that spiral feeling. Just like really great feeling where you just feel like you're just spinning real slow, but like you are part of this corkscrew, just. But it was kind of like centered right in the center of your chest. But I remember when that happened, I could hear the train. I thought it was the train, like going up the grade. There's like a. There used to be a train that would go up the will. It's great. It's pretty steep, but you hear the trains, like, rumbling, like, you know, they'd be like, off. Trains would be chugging, climbing the grade. As they started going up the grade and would like kind of snake around and. But I remember feeling that vibration, like kind of a slow. But then later on, I kind of think it was connected with the spiral. I remember telling my mom, yeah, I had that spiral feeling last night, you know, and she was saying, oh, you know, it's probably just a dream or. Anyway, so then I did it again. Probably another time, like mid 20s or. It wasn't really that often anyways. I was like 38¾ when they finally came. I gotta tell you some other other things that happened also. But anyway, so then, right, the same night that when they first came, they put me in that spiral feeling. And then all this stuff happened. I knew, okay, you know, that that was connected with them. You know, they were visiting me earlier. It would connect, like, oh, okay. That's what that spiral feeling was. You know, somehow they were take me in. But I don't. I didn't remember anything, you know, I mean, so that was the one thing. Another time we were planting grapes. This is way back. I was like. We were 14. We're kids. I remember somebody said, yeah, there's a UFO over there. And all of a sudden, everybody thought they saw, but I didn't see nothing. And other people thought. They said. But everybody wanted to believe they saw something. And I remember everybody ran down the field. You know, they were running about. My one cousin, Paulus, we always ask, talk about. Yeah, remember that one time everybody thought we saw UFO and, you know, other people thought it was a flock of birds. But some people wanted to believe that they saw it, but, you know, they didn't. I didn't see anything. But I remember everybody was all hyped up about somebody saw UFO and they. Everybody ran down to the end of the field. And it was amazing that my cousin Paul is just. Last year, finally came back and he visited, and I asked him about what he saw, and he's the only one that actually saw anything. But he said he saw what looked like a. Somebody was like, flashing a mirror. Flashing mirror. You'd see, like a light just kind of like going, like, flashing. And he said it, like, moved down this one road. He said he could see it go between trees, like pine trees. So he could see it behind, you know, one pine tree and in front of another pine tree and kind of went between. He said it kind of went back and circled around where the lake was and then came back. But it was just nothing more than, like, somebody was, like, flashing a mirror. You know, like you see it from a distance. Somebody, they said it came back, and then it just shot up at like, like a.45 and took off. And I said, are you kidding that you saw that? I mean, I didn't find this out until like 50 years later because, anyway, so I'm like 69 now, and I'm getting old fast. But anyway, yeah, so when I was visited, I was like, 30. It was 1993. And when we saw that, when everybody was hyped up about the UFO, that was like 1964 or 5 or something. And then another thing that happened. I was standing out on the porch of this old house, this little red house, when I was a little kid. I mean, I was young because I remember we'd mark how high we were on the post of the porch. You know, you see, oh, they're small kids, you know, you put your mark. But I remember I carved, like, a little alien back then. It was like little green men with an antenna on their head with a little zigzag electrical going in between the antennas, right? So it's like, I remember I carved this little alien's head in the wood of the post with a little antennas. I kind of thought, wow. Like somehow everybody would be talking about, you know, little green man or, you know. But that's about as much I knew about it back then. Anyways, I was standing out there and I see this like a fireball go shooting down. I thought it hit the mountain. I remember running up, told my dad, yeah, I have a big fireball crashed in the mountain. You know, I wanted to go up and you know, find it. It was like just big. You can see like a tail. But if this was like during the day, I don't know, it might have been getting a little bit dusk. I remember this big fireball just went like, did a big arc. Looked like it just landed right down the mountain, you know, I thought. But anyway, that was another weird thing, you know, I still never connected it with, you know, UFOs or nothing back. It wasn't really that much of a, you know, except we were just kids. But you know, people heard this and that about different things, you know, ufo. But it was kind of like imaginary kind of like stories. Anyway, so other things that happened. Okay, this was one of the weird things was we were watching Mission Impossible on tv and it says if you decide to accept this mission, and there's like a little tape recorder and then the mission is given and then the tape recorder goes like. And like melts. You know, it's like smoke. And just to destroy the evidence of the guy's mission, you know, that was like the beginning of the movie Mission Possible. And it has music. Anyway, we're all watching Mission Possible and it's like in the middle of the show. My. In fact, I grew up in 12 kids. I'm the second of the 12. Yeah, we live out on a ranch, you know, grow grapes, fun grape. Ended up starting a winery and everything. But you know, that was a long time ago before the winery started. But we're watching Mission Possible. Anyway, everybody, it's like a commercial break. Everybody gets up, get a sandwich or whatever, go to the bathroom during the commercial. I'm sitting there, I'm the only one on the couch and it's like big couch or in there. And I see like what's like a ghost TV screen. It's like in midair between. The brother built this like a heath kit tv. You know, it's like a plywood. He built the whole thing. Right. You know, back then they had the old style TVs. There was like a TV screen in between the other screen and there was like three red stripe bands. You know, like when a TV is kind of like Getting a bad signal. You'll see that these stripes going like. And they just keep drifting up the screen. And as soon as the upper stripe goes out off the top, lower one will appear on the bottom, right. So there's always like. Was three. These red stripes. They're kind of like static with these stripes. They were red that were just slowly moving up the screen. And I thought. I didn't write anything. I just thought it was like a ghost, but I didn't. I should have thought it was weirder than I did. I didn't really. Anyway, so then right after that, it's like just in midair, but I could see right through it and I could see the other TV behind it, you know, with whatever was on it. I did. Wasn't really watching the commercial of whatever was on it. Then all of a sudden, out of the corner of my left eye, it. It seemed like it was like a room that was downstairs, but it was just nothing but a reflection off of the light off this tile floor that was like one of these old tiles, linoleum floors. Anyway, all of a sudden I just thought I saw a room that was down there, like a game room, where I kind of thought, oh, there's a pool table down there, you know, and there's like a stairway and there's like a light. There's a room down there. But it just kind of appeared out of my left edge of my left eye, you know, I just. Well, that happened right after I saw the screen. I. Anyway, that was a weird thing. And I remember telling my dad, yeah, I saw this ghost TV screen. I thought I saw like a room that was kind of just downstairs, you know. But then you look and you go, oh, it's just like a reflection off of. From the sun off the floor, you know. But it just was so real for a second there. That was a weird thing. I didn't really take consider it as being paranormal, you know, but. But I didn't really get out scared. Anyway, so later I was in high school, but I remember they were going to have like a dream class and everybody said, yeah, you know, a dream class. You have your notebook, you write down everything you dream, you know. But I just had this one image of like a red manzanita tree. I don't know if you'd ever seen a manzanita, but that one, the. When they're wet, the bark is like just bright red. These manzanitas, they just look like blood red. And I remember red manzanita going like, wow. You know, just. It was Just like so real, you know. Other than that I didn't have any dreams that I remember tonight. But I just, I remembered that because later on when they were just speaking in dreams and all this and giving me all these vision and stuff, I just, I thought back and went, my God, you know, that must have been them. You know, it gave me that red. Man didn't need a dream because man, that was, you know, because they can give dreams that are just so real compared to just a regular dream. Anyways, so that was probably from them. And then, okay then when I was late 20s, 28. Anyway, we're planting a vineyard out in the field and I was like the guy digging the holes with a shovel, right? Because at first they plow the field up really plush so every things super easy to dig, you know, and just like immaculate. It was so easy to dig. You didn't even need to post all day. You just use a shovel. I was, I was using a shovel digging I this one day. And so I was gonna be the shovel digger the next day. You know, they have the planters and the shovel diggers and you get out there in the morning, it's really nice and cool and you know, it's nice when it's weather's nice and the soil is real nice. Anyways, the next morning, so I have a dream where I find this red rock. Like a super bright red rock. But anyway, I go out there next day, then I'm digging and I dig up this. Pretty sure right when I found the rock, I remembered the dream. Well, I'm saying. But in my mind I went like, wow. I dreamed, you know, I dreamed I found the red rock and I found it. You know, that was so real. So it's like a precognitive dream where I found this. It was like a big rock. It's pretty big, you know, you could fill your whole hand. And I was really into rocks. And anyway, so that was amazing and I thought amazing, how could I dream? But I'm pretty sure when I I didn't remember that, that I dreamt it until I found it later on when they were doing all this other stuff. They were like unlocking dream sequences in mid morning. And then all of a sudden you go, oh wow. You know, I remember all this stuff. And then you know, you know, you remember it from the night before. So I think they have the ability to plant the dream. And then when you remember it, you know that you dreamt that the day before or that night anyway, so then there's other stuff that happened after they did all their major stuff. And I could tell some of those things. Anyway, so one time I was in the warehouse, this is after I was just blown away by what they did. But there's like one of these old radios, like a short wave radio. And I was talking earlier that day about I wanted to go to Montana to pick up his old car. But the guys told me, yeah, the weather's really bad up here now. It's like been snowing. It's all. The roads are all icy. You know, you shouldn't come up here now. You know, wait till the weather is better, you know, and everything's not so dangerous. And so. And that's kind of on my mind. So a little later, I'm on the back of this warehouse and I have like this old radio. It's like a short wave I got from a garage sale or something. Anyway, so somehow I was like moving. I had the radio in my hand. I hear a voice that says, it was just like perfectly clear. It's like a lady's voice said, yes, time is not right now, but it will be in the near future. And then I go, like, what? He feels like he's coming out of the radio. And then. Then I let me go. What? How does this radio work? Because it never worked before. Then I kind of thought, you know, it's not plugged in. I go, wow, there must be like batteries in it. And then I open it up, there's like no batteries in it. And that really blew me away. I thought, my God. You know, because worn. I mean, I know I heard that. I heard a voice say that in this radio. And it was. Radio didn't work. Then another time, there's like this really loud, like just bang noise in the corner of the warehouse. And there's like another lady heard it. She was like packing boxes, you know, they sell wine. Mail order in Yahoo. They have. And she goes, yeah, yeah, I heard that. You know, what was it? And then there's like just. Just like sounded like something was blew up. And I went back there looking, like, what the heck was that? It just sounded like this big, like pow noise. We went looking, you know, there's nothing there. We thought something like blew up, you know, some. Something floated, but there was nothing. There's no evidence of anything. You know, that was some weird. Another weird thing that happened. And then another time, this is after they did all the other stuff that I could try. I'm gonna explain later. I was up driving forklift and on the forklift just Moving stuff in the boneyard, you know, like from one place to another. And I'm looking in the east, and right when I, you know, there were. For those running, I look up and there's like a. Looks like a little top hat. You can say the ufo, but it looked kind of like melted on one side. Like, it was kind of dark gray. But one side of it looked, you know, the light, if it would refract certain way, it would kind of look like it wasn't perfect on the. You know. And I just. For like five seconds I'd see that and I go. And I look down for a second and I look back up and it's gone. Anyway, they would. They would do edge of vision things when I would be. I was all hyped up. And the very day where I was just really hyped about it, and I'd be riding my bicycle. Out of the corner of my eye, I would see like a big. Looked like a bird flying way off in the distance. Like a big bird. You see his wings, like. And then right when I. I turned to look at it, there's nothing there. Right? So they can do edge of vision. And it's amazing how that the very day that you're really thinking about and you're all excited, like, you see that this has happened like twice two different times. So I thought, okay, that's what they're doing. There was another time I was at Lake Mendocino when they came, I was like, really, like, attached to them, like, somehow. So when they came, I was like crying. What? Why did you leave? What? It's like somehow I was bonded with them when I was like an infant. There's no other way to. You know, I study all the signs of when I grew up. You know, my. I remember my grandmother would say, oh, your mother had such a hard time with you. You just would cry all the time. And then I'd see pictures of me and a lot of the pictures. I remember there was one scrapbook that says, there's Marky. Here he is. As usual, he's crying again. Just mad, like, for, you know, somehow I. Maybe that's the way I would get attention. But somehow I had this weird scene with my mother where kind of shunned me, like, you know, you know, if you're gonna act that way, I'm just gonna teach you a lesson that, you know, you're not gonna get being control me by just crying and fighting or whatever. So I think what happened was when I was really young, these aliens, like, bonded with me. And that even though that somehow they remained like repressed. Anyway, I've studied a lot of cases where they say, oh, you're the people have a borderline. You know, you get it like split tyche, where it's kind of like a trauma to imagine if the baby like screams all night. But anyway, I suppose I hear these stories. Oh, they gave you away to the Navajo Indians, you know.
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Air Traffic Controller / Radio Operator
Yes.
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Mark (UFO Encounteree)
They used to work at Navajo reservation where my dad, mom were like, they're doctors. They wanted to. I think it's kind of like if you're trying to have a career and raise kids at the same time, it's going to conflict. Right? So. And then people go, no, that's your nanny. You know, you're imagining it, you know, all in your head. You're go, yeah, right. How's my Navajo nanny coming back? Thin air, claiming there are people in a parallel world and all this. And I'm crying because I said, you know, I crying. Why did you leave? And anyway, so when they came back, this being. I don't even know who they are, that is released this feeling in you like, you know, we're the ones that loved you. I'm just like crying because then when they left again after they first came, I. I was. Felt like they would say, no, you know, come back, come back. And I had this abandonment thing where. So that. That's where my case is different than a lot of these cases you hear, you know, where, you know, these aliens have no right to mess with you. You know, they don't have the right to take away your free will. When I see people, you know, you hear some of these cases where the people are just like bashing aliens. But you know, with me, I just start getting mad at those people because I have such a loyalty for the. These aliens. But. Yeah, so somehow they instill this extreme dedication, you know, even though there is side effects. And they. You go through all like being really mad and sometimes you get mad at them if they. But anyway, then they. You could tell that when they developed this talking, it was a long story. Spoken dreams for like two years. And then finally they started speaking in these remote images. I could. I could put it where they would throw images in your mind's eye of literally scenes going way back into your life or scenes that happened recently in your life. And they would start speaking in the. In this metaphor as similar to dreams, where you metaphor in dreams, but they would just take images out of your life and throw the image. Anyway, I should go back to the Story and try to explain. I never even explained the story yet. I'm just kind of getting ahead of myself. I was kind of alcoholic and smoke really bad, so I had a really bad lung. Coughing, kind of like I was bad. You know, you hear a lot of stories like that. They visit people that, you know, they gotta clean up your act, die young kind of mentality. Anyway, so then I. I used to listen to this radio station, it's called family radio stations out of Oakland, California. They broadcast like all over the world. This one preacher guy, he's like, he knew a lot about Bible numerology and all this. He would like compare scripture with scripture and he's a super fanatic. He wrote this book, 1994. You know, he's one of these people that's going to predict the end of the world. In his mind. He'd take everything literally. You know, the world's going to burn fervent heat. It's going to be the end. There'll be nothing left. It's just everything's going to burn. It's gonna. It's not. You know, that is the end. But he wanted to set a date when the world's gonna burn or when it's gonna end. And so he read that book, 1994 and he just. And preaching on about how all these verses line up, you know. And he figured out that Christ going to return on the jubilee year of 1994. A jubilee year is every 40 years. He knew a lot and I learned a lot about biblical. The way it was written in all the different numbers. You know, there's a lot of numerology stuff where they've used different numbers and the. And just a lot of stuff where it is complicated and it all does fit together. He did make a lot of sense. But anyway, then people. I listen to open forum, these people would phone in, you know, what about. People are seeing the UFOs or. And he just go, no, that's. He believed everything was Satan. You know, Satan is. And you know, God will not speak. You know, the last time God spoke was Pentecost. You know, it's 30 years after Christ's death or something. Like when the apostles were during Pentecost, they would. They were supposedly had tongues of fire on their head and they were being spoken to by the Holy Spirit. And. And then it says something like, you know that there's all these warnings. Do not expect anything after that. You know, the book was closed at Pentecost. That was it. And God will never speak again until the end. And Anything else that's coming from the supernatural, he goes, you can bet Satan will accommodate you very nicely. It's like everything was like, Satan, Satan, this. And things just go on about, you know, UFOs are Satan. That's. You know, people's minds are very tricky here. Go on how people's, you know, you can't trust what people are seeing. You know, people's minds are very tricky there. They can imagine things. You know, all the same old logic. People say, oh, you read it, you know, you heard about it. Next thing you know, you're imagining you're seeing this, you know, and then he goes, but, but if it is real, it is definitely not God. God does not speak. That is Satan. So he was just. Everything was Satan, you know, because the Bible just harps on about just so many demons and Satan because I think, you know, a lot of people did view a lot of that stuff as demonic. So it's just like, you know, it's probably the word demon is more mentioned than the word angel, you know, or God. But anyway, so there's like a big. The only way to reconcile that. You have to say, okay, well, God's playing the role of Satan, you know, if that's their. If it's going to work. And then, you know, you look at all the end time scenario and the way that it talks about and you know, what about the words, you know, God will let Satan loose a little season. You know, in other words, God has reigns on Satan and all that. Then books, Enoch thing, where all the. They go, oh, no, the book of Enoch doesn't mean nothing because it's not in the Bible. You know that. But people took all that stuff out they didn't want. It was just too risque. But in the Old Testament, it talks all about, you know, the daughters, the fallen angels. You know, it's in there how the fallen angels came. You know, you see all these people now on tv, just like Merzouli and everybody's talking about. But they're all talking to the religious people that are afraid. But it doesn't really matter, I guess, you know, Satan works too, you know, because it's all about getting over the fear. You know, you look at the way it's all designed. So, you know, the religious people are all, oh, yes, there's something wrong. You know, the fallen angels are back because everybody's finally believing that all these people are being abducted. There's so many cases going on that, you know, that can't be denied. Yeah. So it's all finally Coming out where the religious people are, but they're still clinging to the thing that, you know, that's not God. God's going to come and clean house. Get rid of all fallen angels, you know. Yeah, they say that, you know, they don't. That's not how what God does. God doesn't take away your free will. God doesn't have the right, you know, because that's breaking laws and all that, you know. But anyway, after I was visited, these aliens, they would like speak in my dreams and they would, they would like mix the radio on all night and the tv. I was just so freaked out. Anyway, so it started out I was, I'd be reading the Bible because I would just kind of all of a sudden I picked up this one. It's just the New Testament is called the Way Home. It's just like this little printing. It was just nothing but the New Testament. Anyways, I would read a little bit out of the Bible each night when I was reading it. It would be like, felt like it was speaking right to me, start underlining all these verses. It's kind of like some spirit was in me that it wasn't really me, it was taking me on this path. But anyway, so I was reading the Apostle Paul in Colossians, you know, that went on for like a few nights and I'd be like reading a certain amount each night of. And right. All of a sudden I'm in Colossians, right? And right at that part. And I remember late night, next thing you know that these aliens do like a. I go to sleep and I have this super real vision of like taking off the roof of this building complex that resembles like a body. A body with like a right arm held up and the head like a square, two squares. But it kind of resemble like a sacrificial altar. It's like these little cut corners. Like remember the old sacrificial altars? They would have square. They'd be these little horns on each corner. It starts out I'm just laying bed because I knew I was laying in bed. And it's like a super real vision of. Imagine that you're like looking out of the bottom of like a helicopter or a flying saucer or something that's just moving really slowly off of a pad. All of a sudden your field of vision is just, you're right there, a foot off the ground or two feet or whatever. And then as it, it raises up, this whole building complex slowly comes into view. You know, it would be like three dimensionally, you See it? Everything appear like on the peripheral looks like a hedge. Over there, these other little buildings, you know, there's like little corner blocks on all these little some buildings. And I went like, wow, what, where is this? Kind of thought it was some building complex. I didn't really know at first, but anyway, then the whole picture thing goes like boom and stop. It just was up like a little ways up. And then it starts over again as if to say, you know, get ready. You're not ready for the whole picture yet. We're going to do. It goes up again and then it just started going higher and higher. And all of a sudden I'm looking down, going like building down there. And all in my mind I try to remember what it looked like. And later on it figured out it was like a body and I took off the roof of the head that was like a square. And. And then it just goes. All of a sudden it goes like, just goes up, up, up, faster and fat. I know, not super fast, but. But anyway, pretty soon you see all these like grid. Like imagine that whole building would have just been on one city block. And pretty soon there's like all these other city blocks appearing, but every one of them was like a fluorescent orange. Like a little fluorescent orange cube inside. And everything else looked like city streets. Like imagine you're looking down on a city and all the. Everything was like just cut up into this big grid pattern. But see, the grid gave like a three dimensional view, right? It gave you like the feeling of movement, you know, like depth. And it's like one of these video games where. Anyway. So then the whole thing just goes way up and pretty soon I couldn't even see the building down there anymore that I took off of. And the whole thing kind of goes like. And just like stops the way that you'd feel like an elevator stop. Have that light, you're like in your chest, like, whoa. Then all of a sudden it just remained there for a moment and then it starts going sideways to the south. And you can see everything moving the way that you would be on an airplane. You see everything kind of moving slowly. When you look out the window you go, wow. But you can't really feel that you're moving, but you see it. I could see the grid like slowly moving and then it starts going faster and just goes like. Then all of a sudden it just goes like, whoa. Everything is like a slingshot. And you just had that feeling like they just did this virtual reality saucer ride and like a super vivid dream. But I knew I was laying on my bed because I remember I was laying face down on the pillow. And then that later that night, that being, they would kind of come off and on that music was playing and they would like put me in this regression where I was crying. I'm crying. You know how white sleeve, you know, kind of like pat me on the chest and on my legs, you know, you're good, you're good. And kind of like they reverted me back to like a little infant. I was a fetal position, like crying and it was weird. They can like dig out stuff out of your mind. It's like they just, they know everything about you.
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I didn't really think I was crazy until it took a while. Even then I didn't think about all the stuff they were doing, they were seeing. The thing is, when you come and call it, you're just fighting and you're like traumatized. I think it's kind of, kind of a perfect entrance for them because you're gonna face that anyway. And I think that's what I was like going through when I was like a baby or something. You know, or. Anyway, then. Anyways, then I thought they were like. They were making me like fantasize about different girls that I liked. I mean, I was just. And then I thought they were like using me for extracting sperm. Then I remember one time I asked him, am I a father? And I had this thought, said all life is precious. I mean, I just had this feeling like, you know, they can plant the thought in your head. This is what happened, you know, and even though they don't let you remember it, one time I was. I felt I was crying. You know, I'm just animal. I remember I ate like bean and onion sandwiches that night. And I remember I was had cutting really bad, like gas. And I thought, my God, I felt like as rude. They're probably thinking I'm just a rude. I just kind of felt like, well, you know, here I am being abducted that you just. You feel like, embarrassed. Everything was so weird. It was. It all happened when. When they first came. I remember I would. I was really scared. It was like a knife. I was thinking, there's a knife laying by the bed. And I kind of thought, well, I should hide this knife because somebody might think I would want to use it. You know, different things that were weird when they first I had the spiral feeling and I'd be closing, I closed my eyes and they'd be like this gray in my eyes and be turning blue. Like spatter, these waves in your eyes. And I remember it would be getting blue. It would kind of move and it would. It would get really bright blue. And I finally would just get really bright blue, like a spattering in your eyes. And at first that was happening and then I feel like I was like fluttering. And I remember one time I would. I imagined in my mind there was like one taller one that I called GS. Then there's five, like shorter ones kind of standing by that were feeling like having sympathy on me. Anyway, so they came like on three, like successive nights. And they. As this being was, you know, saying, you know, we want to help you. You know, instill this super love that, you know, we love you. And we. You just could feel they're just by your side. They take songs off the radio and. And I'd be like, you know, they create a dream and then song that's playing on the radio will speak to what is in the dream. You know, then they can like, enhance this feelings of, you know, extreme joy and love. And so they're like doing all this stuff where they're, you know, glorifying me. And it was just too much. I used to go, you got to be kidding. I just was, you know, how could, how could this be me? How could I be? You know, Because I just felt like a nobody. I just thought this is crazy. Like how, you know, I thought they must be like doing this people all down the coast or something. I just can't believe it. Why would they do just to me? I kind of felt like blown away because I just had like a really like low self esteem. And if you're like a negative person and you don't interact weird, you know, people are always like poking at you, then you know, I would snap back. It's kind of like you're overly defensive and. And so I, I somehow I had a real. I wasn't your average favorite person. You know, it's kind of like I was kind of an asshole. Despite acting weird and then like overreacting and you're being paranoid thinking everybody thinks you're a dork. Because I used to work at the Red Vice store and I always kind of thought, why is everybody hate me? And I finally realized I must act like a jerk anyway so that they just were pouring on all this kind of. This has got it. I just couldn't believe it that you know, this was happening anyways then I was just like really mad at my parents. My dad was kind of like alcoholic and he just because he didn't have a job and he kind of would take it out on. You know, people that are don't have their trip together, they kind of become, you know, and I wasn't much better. But yeah, so it's kind of like everybody was dysfunctional, you know, because it's hard my dad, you know, live having 12 kids and trying to raise a family. And that's how he realize, you know, everybody has their own issues they gotta deal with. So then a lot of stuff happened. But so anyway, yeah, one time I was. The being is going, you're angry with me? And I go, what? Why? Because all this is sad and telepathy, right? It's just in your head. They're just saying, you know, you're angry with me. I go, why? And then the thought comes, because we tricked you. And then I had this feeling like, wow, yeah, you're right, he tricked me. Because you know, here you got here, these guys are coming out of thin air. It was kind of like my father in a sense, but it wasn't my father. But see, my father had been dead since. For a couple of years. He died 1989. And these aliens came. 1993. My dad had cancer from smoking and he got throat cancer and they end up committing suicide over at the coast. He like blew his brains out with a dull bell shotgun. Yeah, that is what happened. He didn't want to go through. He knew it was like terminal. You know, you put a cop saw a shotgun in your mouth, you know, because you can reach the trigger, obviously, because he had one. Yeah. Then somebody found him floating out in the ocean. But anyway, he was. Had been dead since 1989 anyway, so this being tricky. And then I, then I had this feeling like, wow. Yeah, I'm like, you know, I have power over you guys. You guys tricked me. I should be pissed. Right when I said. And I go, oh, okay, well we're even. And right when I said we're even, all of a sudden the thunder goes. Because the lightning flash a little bit before that, you know, the thunder will hit a little bit after. And right when I said, okay, we're even. And then right when I said that, the thunder just went boom. And I just went like, ah, just, just like super scared. I realized later they can make you feel the fear, you know, I mean they can like crank it up. Every one of the things they can do. They can put it max mode, you know, or medium mode, just like the. When they do the full body buzzing trip. Because later on they did, you know, going through so much stuff. They, they would make me like relive being abducted. And even though I never had an actual, you know, like a lot of people say, oh yeah, the UFO came outside and I never saw it. They did it all in like virtual reality in these super real dreams. It's like they can just take everything and create it all in dreams that are so real that you don't need reality. Then they can enhance all the, everything, you know, the emotions. Later they would give me these dreams where they would usually do it when I was like really just scared. And they would do it as a way of saying, you know, hey, you know, face the fear and experience it. So they just make. If you had a really scary day, they would make you have it, face it that night and say, okay, we're just going to keep on pouring it on until you just work it out and work it over, get over it. Yeah. So they, they can do the three different variations of the buzzing. Later on they would do like, they can do a real slow like undulation one like, or a medium like, or a high one where you're just going like, ah, that's amazing. Yeah. The whole. The whole thing is just because I asked him, I said, you know, come back, you know, show me more. You know, a lot of people say, you know, that when people. If you tell them, you know, I want. I don't want you to mess with me, they will leave. In my case, I. I said, I'm not as afraid. I. When I had the dreams of being abducted, I was. I would say, no, I'm not afraid. You know, this one time I went to library over the coast. I'd go to every library, every bookstore, trying to find anything about UFOs down this Meyer UFO magazine where it has that picture of the craft on the hill where the logs are all stacked up. I got the UFO magazine. The late. The librarian gave me the Billy Meier UFO magazine. I couldn't believe it. I'd be looking for all these other books. I found Edith Esp or book about abductions. You know, I was just searching everywhere, but she gave me the. I brought that book home. I mean, it's a UFO magazine. Anyway, so then that night, I have this dream where I am on that hill in that scene of the next Little Logs picture. And there's. I have this feeling like my body's going. And then all of a sudden this world. It's like a whirlwind, like, just took me right. Right there. I could just feel my whole body, like, whoa. They created a dream of, literally of that picture that I got a photo in this super real dream. And I'm being like, taken. I'm like talking to them. Take me. I'm not afraid. I'm not afraid. I want to be taken. And then I just. I feel like I'm being taken up in a whirlwind. And then all of a sudden my whole body is like, mobilized, laying on the. I knew I was laying on my bed and I'm just going. I'm talking, I'm going. And then I clench one of my hands. And then right when I clench it because I couldn't move, not right when I clinch it, everything goes like, whoa. Just stopped. And then I hear this, like, crack behind the tv. I think that's when the poltergeist first came. And I went like, wow, what is that? What's that loud crack behind the tv? But that's when it first, like, finally started breakout where they're coming out of my dreams into it kind of blew me away. Like, oh, my God. Now they're like doing stuff during the day because they never used to do stuff during the day before. And then that's kind of their turning point. This went on for like a couple years where they were speaking, where then they started throwing me these images. I call them remote pieces of your. Literally, they take pieces of your memory thrown into your. In your mind's eye. All of a sudden you have this flash. Like, wow, why did I see that from way back when? All of a sudden just pop in there out of nowhere? Because it just comes in out of blue and you know, it's not you. That. And then I finally realized, my God, that's them. They're like taking these little memories of mine. Finally, I was able to figure out what they're doing. And then you study what is in that scene. And then it's like speaking in a metaphorical way. Like, you know, that's you using different themes. But they're all like basic themes, you know, the waters, life. And they show me the scene of when I was like selling seeds. When I was like a little kid in first grade, I was, you know, you buy these seeds in the back of a comic book. You try to sell them and you get a prize. Like, you know, you want a fishing pole or bicycle or something. Remember, I just only sold a few. Like, they show me an image of like when I was trying to sell seeds or when I was selling lemonade on the side of the road. But what they're saying is, you know, you're planting. That is you. So they throw me different images of now. Anyway, that's what most of the. That I wrote down. I have so many images that take too long to explain. That's why I would have to write it and have it on a link or something because I couldn't talk about it at all. Some of them are just amazing. They know everything going back and they can like isolate different. They can flip through everything and say, oh, and sometimes I couldn't figure out what the heck it meant. And then later they would throw it again as if to say, no, you didn't get it. And then sometimes they would literally come right out and you'd hear the thought, just, this is what it means. Yeah. Then they did this other really super real dream of the. Remember the. That ancient astronaut? You see it on the tomb lid, the one where the guys looks like he's sitting in a chair. And they did that one super real dream where there's the split fire spark plug thing is going like. And then I. I saw that. So I was so blown away. I just. I regarded everything as like, you know, just Important. But then I. I realized later, you know, they could just do this forever. You know, I just wrote everything down for, like, four or five years. They did like, three or four, five really exciting. Like abduction dreams. We always see lights in the sky. You have these dreams where, you know, everybody's out in the field and we're walking, you're saying, wow, look at that, and you're yelling at people. You know, it's. The dream would start like, you know, people are partying. Then it would turn in. You know, there's a UFO in the sky. But the dreams are so real. It's. You know, it just was amazing. Anyway, so what happened was I got kind of ahead of myself, but. So then this Brother Camping guy kept ranting on about, you know, Christ gonna return, 1994. And I would listen to Open Forum, and you could never phone in and give your opinion because the guy would, like, hog the host brother camp. And he would, like, do all the talking. He would just shut the people down that were trying to say, yeah, I think kind of like. And he would not back down that UFOs are not God, they're demons. And I used to just get really mad at this guy. Like, I guess the aliens instilled in me, like, kept speaking to me. They kind of convinced me in my dreams. So I ended up sending, like, 12, 000 letters to churches all over the U.S. i did it right about 1994 at the beginning of the feast of harvest. It's like, mid September 1994. And that was Brother Camping's prophecy that, you know, this is going to be the day, you know, Christ can return. So the aliens convinced me, like, wow, you know, because I. I was just mad. I had this anger anyway, from, you know, just like a mad kid when I was younger and, you know, mad at my mom and dad, you know, because I kind of had a falling out with them. We had a big family. And anyway, so I kind of had that desire to, like, attack authority, you know, but the aliens kind of. They knew me, like. And they said, yeah, we want you to tell them that, you know, we are. We're God. Anyway, the visions they gave me, anyway, at one point when they came, they said. I said, how did you get here? You know, where. How'd you get here? And they showed me these three visions of. One of them was like, a right. Right angle with, like, a little door that was moving. And anyway, they said, you know, we're people in a parallel world. And then the other one was like a circle with a Line down the middle with people on either side that looked like people walking in the park that had just gotten out of church. And I thought, you know, it was kind of like they're dressed in their Sunday best from the 1920s. Guys had these top hats and ladies have feather hats. Or maybe from the 1890s, like one of these old paintings. You see people dressed up with these pictures. There was like a mirror image on either side of this line of people that were, like, strolling in a park. And I just kind of sense, oh, this guy, church. You know, they're strolling in the park and dressed in their Sunday best. And. And so that vision happened after that. One of the right angle, the one with the right angle with two rectangles connected at a right angle. That whole spiral. Spiral thing. I got all into that. That, you know, that golden mean spiral has the secret rectangle, holds the formula for the golden mean. You know, how the rectangle just keeps on going down to infinity. There's like a square and rectangle square and then the Mandelbrot set and all that. All that stuff seen in nature. Anyway, I posted a link about the sacred numbers. Yeah. Then 144. And all these numbers hold the. And all those numbers are actually in the Bible numerology. It all ties into the nature of the universe. Remember I told you they could throw these remote images in my mind? Like, boom. Just pop them in. A long time ago, when I was younger, I was over. I was in Yosemite sitting on a log, reading a book called the Nature of the Universe. It was like. It's just like a big, long cut log. And I remember I was reading that book by Doyle or something. The Nature of the Universe. I was like, you know, really young then, like teens. And they threw that image because they can go back different places in your life and they'll pick different times. You're in different settings. Like when I was in Yosemite or when I was, you know, skiing or nose doing that or that. And they will pick out all these scenes that are speaking metaphoric way. And they will, like, throw them to you and you go like, wow, wow. So they threw me this image when I sat on that log and read that book, Nature of the Universe. And it means they use the idea of. To harvest. They throw me other scenes of, like, when I saw a sickle in a tree, you know, stuck in his tree up on the mountain, and I didn't know what. Why in the heck are they throwing me a picture of a sickle Stacked, grown Into a tree. You know, another time I saw a picture of us. They threw me an image of the sickle that was sticking out of a barn. A whole knothole of a barn. When I used to drive by this one old barn, I thought, why didn't they throw me that picture of a sickle sticking out of a barn? You know? You know, you finally realize, okay, that means to harvest. Anyways, another idea is the idea of the right angle. Remember I said, I asked, how did you get here? And they show me this two rectangles connected at a right angle. It was like this little flap, like a hinging right at this center of the. Where the two came together. This little flap is moving slightly back and forth like it's blown in the wind, you know, so if the flap was shut all the way. Anyway, so they're saying, you know, we. We pop in at exposure, universe intersecting at a right angle. I think because I was watching one video. But then the spiral also has something to do with, I think, the way that they're. Because when I first asked, how'd you get here? They. I thought I saw it spinning in a tube. It was like super vague. It's just like, almost like a feeling like, wow. So then first I saw that three things. First that. Then the right angle. But the right angle, two rectangles at a right angle were turning really slowly, like counterclockwise. And then that lasts like five seconds that go boom. It went out. Then the one with the wall looking down a wall, seeing people on either side. Because that was the biggest, heaviest visions. When I said, you know, how, where, how'd you get here? Because that's when the being was in the room speaking to me. Those are the first three nights, thinking they came out three successive nights and they. And the second night they. I remembered this dream I didn't remember until mid morning. I walked through this three levels of this temple and I walked with like these three father. Different father figures. And the first father figure was my boss from the Road Valley store. He like led me up to this. It's like a big plaza that. Well, the first plaza was a big grass field and a big rectangle. But then we were over on the right, there's like stairs and you look. Oh, it's like a big. Look a big football field. But then over on the right, there's like these empty planter boxes, like square planter boxes. I kind of thought, well, there's no plants in them. I kind of thought, that's weird. Anyway, then the stairs kind of Reminded me of the stairs at the courthouse in Ukiah where we live, you know, well, there's a nearby town. They would take different things that you knew, and they would implant them in that dream, right? So, like, wow. It's kind of like the courthouse steps. You know, we're walking up these steps, and then with him in the next level, a rectangle pool. My first father figure that was walking with me hold my hand and said, we're walking, kind of. Somebody's holding my hand. And then we walk up to the pool, and there's seven pillars around the pool. But at the one end of the pool, it's like a rock waterfall with all this water kind of, like, splashing down. You'd kind of think. And then the pool looks like a piece of mirror, and you kind of think, wow, how's that pool like a piece of glass, and that water splashing down there? It didn't make sense, right? But anyway, then I thought, there's, like, a little lily pad in the center of that pool. But anyway, so then there's like, seven pillars around the pool, except for the eighth one would have been where the waterfall was, right? So imagine a rectangle with a pillar at each corner and then a pillar in between. Except for the 8th one. Anyways, and the number 7 is like another heavy number I remember brother camping would talk about. Seven is the number of wisdom. The seven is like this special number of wisdom. Anyway, so then the guy let. Let's go. My hand kind of goes like, look up there. And I kind of look up, and there's, like, this pyramid, all these steps. You're looking up at a pyramid, and I'm going like, wow. And then. And then right when I look up, there's, like, this red carpet comes rolling down the steps. But then I look at it. I look at the carpet. About three quarters of the way down or halfway down, it's coming down. And then I look. I go, what? I look at the leading edge of the carpet, thinking, you know, it's rolling, but then it kind of looks like it's like blood, like, run rolling, like, drooping down. Kind of the way a movie theater has the drapes, the curtains kind of go, like, blue, and they just, like, drop. They just. I look like they're. They're not rolling. They're just. They look like they're just, like, flowing. They just go. And I kind of went like, oh, my God, it looks like blood. Right? Right when I thought it looks like blood. The red carpet coming down the steps, I. I just like, panic now. I got scared, and next thing you know, all of a sudden, I was like, stand outside, standing at this table. I don't remember walking up those steps. And I was standing behind. I'm looking at these chairs. There's three chairs. One middle, one on the right, one on the left. And then there's another father figure was there. But anyway, this father figure was a different guy. He's like this tall guy that used to be the dad of this girl I liked at the Road Valley store I used to work at. Their dad, I remember, was, like, really serious. Had a real solemn. He's like, in a white robe. But anyway, he goes, yes, sit down. I sit on his right. He sits in the middle, down the left. But his chair was, like, taller than mine on the left. There's no. There's nothing there. I think. I don't even think there was a chair there. There was three candlesticks on the table. And I kind of thought, oh, why is there not? It kind of seemed unbalanced. I called, oh, okay, that must be the Holy Ghost or something. You know, I guess they're using number three. They came on three nights also because number three supposedly means trinity. You know, my father's not only ghost. And it was like, because I learned all the numerology when I listened to my brother camping. Yeah, there's three chairs. Anyway, so then there's, like, three candlesticks. I remember the candles, like, super bright. They're going, like, just, like, moving super, like, slow, you know, Everything was just super bright. And then there's this goblet. I remember at one point, I looked at the goblet, and I was like a. Like a shaft of light. You know, you turn a full goblet a certain way, all of a sudden the light will just, like, shoot out, reflect out of it. I thought I saw, like, a jewel crystal go, like, boom. Shoot a purple light at me, you know, at one point, I looked at the goblet. I remember he kind of, like, motioned, you know, here, drink of it or something. But I don't remember drinking it. Then there's, like, a little book sitting sideways on the table. And I remember the chair was, like, real soft. It's like one of these kind of chairs you sit in and, like, air. And then you're like, slowly go. Like the air, like, bleeds out or something, and the foam just, like, melts in, you know, the shape of you. And it's like one of those kind of chairs. I'm just checking out the chair, like, and it kind of reminded me of the chair that was actually in our office where my brother. That they had up at the winery. And I kind of thought, wow, it's got the nice oak and everything. But I remember the seat was, like, super cushy when I sat in. Anyway, sat there a moment and then the guy. We're just real solemn, didn't say nothing. And then all of a sudden I get. Somehow I just got up and then all of a sudden my dad is there, the next father figure, and he goes, yeah, we're going for a tour. Because my dad used to give people a tour, you know, on holidays and they go up hunting mushrooms. And my dad was all hyped up, you know, he'd get. He'd be all like, he had a good side, where he really liked gas and talk and party and, you know, he was kind of wild. You know, he was kind of worked at Mansion State Hospital, and they were like, taking LSD when Ellie first came out. You know, all these doctors that were out of, you know, like, Sando's lsd. And, yeah, he just is wild. He'd be smoking pot, you know, hot hash and so, you know. But too much of that partying can mess you up. But anyway, so then all of a sudden my dad like, yeah, we're going for. For a tour, you know, and we're taking a tour. And I turned to the right and I get up then, so that father figure is gone. Anyway, so then all of a sudden we turned, I turned the right, and then I'm looking off this balcony, like, down to where we came from. I go, like, I have this feeling, like, you know, you have a feeling you get when you stand on a cliff and you're going, oh, shit, way down there. And anyway, then there's like two planter boxes up on the edge of that balcony. I thought, wow, there's two more planter boxes up here. But, you know, there's no plants in them. That was kind of weird. There was planter boxes down there and also on the bottom level. I kind of thought later it meant, you know, that you are going to be planted eventually. Because the square, see the idea of the cross and the right angle, the square that's for that, where two worlds meets, it's the right angle, you know, so they say, oh, Christ on the cross. That's right where the two worlds meet, you know. But anyway, so then the square is like. It means universality. I learned all the numerology from that brother Capping guy. Supposedly, two means church, because you know, they said it possibly went out two by two. When you witness, the thing about witnessing is you witness to another person. And I think it's similar with the secret society. They have, like, the door with the pillars on either side of the entrance. It talks about the two angels that guarded the gate. Garden of Eden there. Different stories like that. There's number two. Has to do with the two guardians of an entrance. Bible that brother camping was always into the number two. Yeah, two means church. You know, he just take different cases where they talk about number two and saving the oil for the wedding feast. You know, they always use different numbers. Yeah. Different story. They can't remember them all, but they always use numbers. I turn around, my dad goes, yeah, come on, we're going out for a walk. And we go walking down past this little church. There's a guy on the right. He goes, hey, how's it going? You know, my dad's. Yeah, we're going out to take a tour. And it's kind of like, yeah, this is my third father figure on this journey. And I was following him. And anyway, next thing I know, I. That's like, in the central valley, we're kneeling down. You know, in the central valley, they have these peripheral canals that feed the water into the road. And there's like a little siphon hose that you. You dip into the main canal, and then you dip it over this little mound into the rose. And then the water fills the rose up. Anyway, so the guy goes, come on, I'll show you how to do it. You take this hose, you put it in the row, and then I did it. I remember I put the hose feeling like. Like from right when I put the water in the. When he told me, you know, this is how you do it. You put the hose from the main canal into the. Never. I could feel this feeling, like, whoa, like turbulence. And I went like, wow. I can feel it sucking. I remember saying that. And then I remember looking out the row, and it was just like, silver sword. You could just see it look, like, shimmering, you know, the way the water would go way out the road. And when the sun just Right, it looked like mercury just going like. Just, you know, like a pointed sword. And I. I kind of had that feeling like, wow, it looks like a. Like a sword just going out there, you know? Anyway, I kind of thought that was a big, heavy symbol. Anyway, then all of a sudden look up, and the guy is, like, left. And I thought that was my dad, but I didn't really think. I didn't know, he's kind of like he was just gone. I didn't really think it was him anymore and I went like wow, you know, wait. And I had to sound like, you know, wait for me. And I went running after him. Next thing I know I had this feeling like I'm standing behind crowd of people that were like in wet white robes. They're all I see him at the corner of this block of a field and he's like waving a. He's like up on a pallet higher. He's waving like a stick across the field kind of like as if to suggest, you know, this will be harvested. You know, I mean come imagine standing at the corner of the field waving like a. Waving this stick. I was at the back of this pack of people. It's like a at a graduation and they're all standing there and he's waving this rod out in the field saying this is always going to be harvested. It's like in the Central Valley. That's how I had that feeling at first when we were putting the water. Anyways, that was that story.
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But then later they threw me another scene. Remember where I was over at Lake Mendocino and the. The same thing. I was standing out at the parking lot where everything looks out over the water. Or, you know, you could look out over the water. And the same kind of scene was happening where there's all these people dressed in graduation and the guy's standing at the edge of the lake and waving the stick and saying this. And he's. You look way out in the lake surface. It's like there's like a city of. Of floating lily pads with these towers going like way in the sky. Like a giant. Look like giant Christian fish symbols, but way more skinny that were so high that you see them sticking out of the top of the clouds. Everything was like this pink, orange pink just over the lake. And then you could barely see out in the leg. Look like giant massive floating lily pads with these massive towers. All you could see is just the tops of them. Kind of like giant double crescent moons. Anyway, so then that was the walk with God thing. I wrote it all down, drew a picture. I had numbers that signified all the different factors. I think those empty planter boxes in that walk was on the low level. One was on the balcony of the pyramid level. I think that there was two on the lower level, two on the upper level. And so number two, I think has to do with the witness because that meant a church. They used all these numbers in the whole thing. I think that meant since there was no plant in them, I always thought, why is there nothing in those boxes? You know, there's no plant. It's just like when I took off on a saucer ride that there was a square roof, two concentric squares, but it was like an altar. Another thing is that when that saucer ride took off, it was like a pillar. It went straight up, like, whoa. So that you could say, okay, that. Imagine a UFO going straight up and then stopping. That. That's like a pillar of wisdom, you know, you could say. Anyway, I just look at all the factors. I try to see the symbology and everything. They did. Anyway, so what happened? I sent all these letters out to the churches and I went. I even had to go to Sacramento libraries. I couldn't find enough addresses in the kind of library. And we're dug through, like every book of every church, like And I also sent it to UFO groups. Every kind of science, everything I could. I was trying to get 12, 000 done because I spent like 7,000 bucks. You know, there's not that much, considering. I just felt like, wow, this is so important, you know, I just gotta. You know, God wants me to tell the churches. You know, it's like I was. Because I had money saved and I was super poor, but I wasn't super rich at that time either. But, you know, I had my. I sold a lot over in Lake county for 4, 4,500 bucks. And I paid only 5,000. It's really cheap, you know. Lake County. It was, or still is really. And you could get cheap lots. I sold that to help finance that. Oh, yeah. Another time I was over there, Lake Mansino. I forgot to tell you that when I was getting ready to sell the lot and go over there, I was standing on the edge of Lake Mendocino and kind of like a trance, just sitting there waiting for this guy to show up on a catamaran. He was going to give me a ride or something, but I was going to go to Lake County. Out of the corner of my eye, my left eye, a purple alien's head. I saw what looked like a dome of a head. Somebody took two colors of purple, dark and light purple, and was mixing it in a pot, like spinning, you know, you can see the two colors, like, twisting. So I saw it first, and then slowly I see it looks like a bulbous head pier. And then it drops down right to the eyes to write to about where the nose would be. And I see these two eyes looking at me, and it kind of looks like my eyes. I go, what? And I thought. I go, what is that? Like my alien son or something? And because my eyes are kind of like narrow, I can't. When I know what my eyes look like. Later I realized, wow, that's me. And then I kind of thought what it meant was that is my passion for the cause, for the aliens, is why I'm looking out over the lake. They use the idea of Lake Mandino, the body of water, as water is life water. And they just create all this stuff around this Lake Mendocino, this body of water. So I'm out looking over the leg. But anyway, so I let her. All these churches, all the paranormal groups, science groups, like astronomy groups. I went like, different universities, and I like religion areas of different major, you know, where they teach religion and big fancy university, you know, colleges. I tried to, like, hit every person that thought they're like, had it all figured out. Like, oh, yeah, we're, you know. You go to seminary? Yeah, we're studying the Bible. We know. We know who God is. We know the mystery. And, you know, these people, they're just so locked in there. Two of the amazing things. Remember I told you that they throw these remote images. One of the most amazing ones was when I was in grade school, the teacher's book, the red letter, the history book. And for some reason, she passed. She passed out of books. She didn't know that somebody had her teacher's copy. It has all the answers. On every page is. Is written. You know, there's the answer for this. You know, this course, you know, this is. You give the students, you know, test, and then the teacher has all the answers. Anyway, somehow I had that book. I didn't realize it until just by accident, I said, like, way later in the year, I said, yeah, how come my book has all these red writing in it? It's like. And then all of a sudden, she realized, oh, you got my book. You know, I had the teacher's edition, had all the answers. So anyway, this is like, in, like, fifth or sixth grade or something. The Mary said they can the aliens throw me that image when I was there? And that teacher said, you have the teacher's edition. You know, like, you got the answers. And so as I'm saying, that was a heavy one. And I went like, oh, my God. Okay. You know, it's like the mystery that nobody knows. And then another one. That really was a scene that was amazing, was I. When I used to go to the church up by the park when I was a kid, how to egg corn. And it was like a balcony. Or the organ player would play up, up in the balcony. And then sometimes people go up this little stairway in the back where you first go in the church. And you go up in the balcony, you look down, you see all the people, you know, And I remember I was up there, and I was like, kind of how little kids do. They just hanging out through the railing of the balcony. And I dropped the egg corn by accident, and it went like, boom on the ground. I remember right when everything was really silent, I thought, oh, my God. And, like, people kind of look like, what was that? You know, like. And I just, you know, sometimes in the church, it's really silent. Then anyway, the aliens. So they threw me that image, like, you know, you dropped the bomb on the. On the church. And I went, oh, wow, that's a heavy. That's a Heavy one. And yeah, so they can like see everything. Even though I hadn't remembered that in years. They'll go, yeah, I remember that. And they can just pick it out and say that's, that's you. And oh, no other thing. I'll tell you quick. When I was really way younger, I. I had a watch. We went. We used to go swimming way up on in the mountains on this. In this lake up in Pine Mountain, up by Willets. And we were kids, like not even like in early teens. And we ride motorcycles up there. And I remember I had this watch out from my. Got my. She was actually my fairy godmother, my dad's sister. She gave me his watch. And I remember it was on this rock out in the middle of the lake. So I took it off to go swimming. And I remember it slid off the rock and it went into the water and it was. I never could find it anyway, so they throw me that scene where it means missing time. I kind of thought, what the heck is it, you know that's supposed to mean? And so it means, oh, missing time. And then another time they stole my watch when we were building yurts and they threw me that one. Okay, missing time. So that, you know, they use. Okay. Then another time I worked for your David Rate yurt factory in Hoplan. David Rate's sister is actually Bonnie Ray. You know, I don't know if you heard Bonnie Ray, she became pretty famous singer about anymore. But anyway, David Raitt ran this yurt factory. And I remember when I first went to work there, this was like right about when my dad died. I remember that he had like a stairway that walked up to the upper level of the yard. It's kind of like a UFO would have a. Not exactly, but it would go up and then to the right. I remember I walked in there the first day and he like shook my hand. He goes welcome aboard and he shook my hand. You know, the year just shaped like a saucer. Anyway, so the aliens throw me that image like welcome aboard. Like, you know, you're. You're working for us now, right? So remember I said how they can take images and throw and say, you know, that is you. You were. Anyway, then in your factory there's this one machine called the Blue Comet. Like this cross cut saw is like really big, powerful. You pull it to cut. Then they throw me image of that. I'm like, you know, blue comet, you're in outer space now or something. Yeah, they just, they just see everything. They, they can, they can see everything you ever did. And then they make a big. You know, they throw you those scenes and they say, yeah, you're part of our group. Trying to, you know, tell the people or something. Anyways, I gotta go back to. I just wanted to get those out because they don't highlight the remote image. Gave all the letters to the post office and got a lot of weird letters back saying, you know, you're dealing with. That is not God, you know, that's Satan. That God does not. I got this one really good letter. I. I have it. I'll have it on the link of some guy from South America was visited by a being in his dad's. How. At his dad's house. Being that was a tall. He goes. Their eyes were too big like this. You know, he drew this picture of this being. So I did get one really good letter back from. It's like a guy that knew a UFO group that was all blown away by being visited by some being. Right. Anyway, I got that letter anyway, so. So then they're still in contact with me and they kind of, like, mentor me and they. It's kind of like this other little voice says, you know. You know, stay away from those if, you know, you're having trouble with certain people or another thing. I went up to the monastery and I. That was a long time ago. I told them, yeah, the aliens, they didn't believe it was God. And then later that night, I see, like, an image of like, you know, the onion dome. They have. It's like this old Catholic monastery, Byzantine. They have those big gold onion domes. I see this image of, like a fist with, like, a middle finger, like, sticking out, like f. Yeah. You know, like the onion dome saying, no, we're not gonna. We don't buy that. They say, yeah, they can, like, create these little skits in your dreams that speak. You know, some. Some people say the other intelligence is artificial. You know, at first I always thought it was a, you know, an actual person or a combination of couple that. Now that people are saying, oh, it's all artificial. Intelligence is capable of all this. You know, it's amazing. Anyway, so. Anyway, so I tried. I don't know if anybody believed it. So Brother Camping finally ended up dying, you know, in the mid or 2000. I got a few other letters. I got a lot of letters back, just people asking for, you know, please support our ministry. And everybody just wants you to send them money. It's like. It's like, what? It's like you don't believe. They don't Even want to hear your, you know, I got some letter saying, you know, I feel very sorry for you. You're. Please do not, you know, underline, do not ever write me again. Sign a follower of Jesus Christ. And then there's like no, no return on the envelope. Like, okay, obviously I can't write it again because I don't know who you are, you know. Anyways, I got a few kind of really letters, but mostly people didn't reply. Oh yeah. Oh, yeah. One really good one for like three different nights. One night I would wake up and right when I would wake up, I'd look out the window. I'd see the sun just cresting the hill, the mountaintop. And then this thought. And then I. They did three different things. They did a wave, a particle, and a. And they'd say, the sun is rising. And then I, I, I see that. I'd feel like this, I'd see the, these waves kind of like the way you'd see seaweed on a, on a, on a shore. You know, you see seaweed like lapping in a pool. He's going ways. Then the next morning they did, they said, the sun is rising. And then they, Then I see what's like a particles gonna snowstorm, like bombarding. Just like, kind of like if you're in a snowstorm, it's night and they're just like bombarding into your face.
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Air Traffic Controller / Radio Operator
And then.
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Mark (UFO Encounteree)
Anyway, so they did this on three nights and they do this exact. I wake up exactly. And I'd look out the window and the sun would just be cracking the top of the mountain. And I hear this thought in my head, the sun is rising. First they did the waves and they did the particles. And then that was pretty amazing. Yeah. Then later on I had these other really cool visions. One of them was like a door with two circles. Imagine like a perfect rectangle with two circles. It's like vision number nine. And there's like a cross X through each circle. So that stands for the two worlds are one. Because I mean, it represents the rectangle's door. The two circles represent the witnesses. Then the X, the most ancient symbol for God, is a circle with a cross through it.
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Nick Hunter (UFO Chronicles Host)
What I'll do is mark the link you provided me. I'll put that below the episode in the description.
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Mark (UFO Encounteree)
Okay.
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Nick Hunter (UFO Chronicles Host)
So people can go there and, and read your writings. And because there is a, certainly a lot to go over for people to read, there is quite a few pages. When you would see the beings. Can you describe them all? What, you know, what do they look
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Mark (UFO Encounteree)
like I never saw it. That's the thing is I never saw gray. I never saw any beings. Only being I ever saw was in my mind when they were visiting me. I just, I could imagine that, that this is what. This is them standing at the foot of my bed. I was so afraid to open my eyes. I just didn't want to open my eyes. I never saw any being. But when they first were like monitor, I would hear this high pitched beep in my ear like other people I've heard say. That goes like. It sounds like someone's taking a tuning fork, you know, Then you hit it and then you move it towards your ear and all of a sudden you can hear it go like. So then they can also do this vacuum. Like woof. Sounds like in your head. That that's kind of. I wasn't sure what that meant, but they did that. They do that a few times. This high pitched ringing would kind of come. It would kind of go like. But then at first I didn't really know what that was. And then, then I finally realized it meant like, yes, you know, you are being monitored, we're there. Like early on that I hear taught me that I hear on the radio. I used to always listen to religious radio that said, you know, the father knows all, or you know, God is watching or something. And right when I would hear that, I would hear this ring. But I would hear it right after a really profound insight, right like, oh my God, that means they're watching. But at first I would be hearing that off and on. I didn't really know what the heck meant. But anyway, there's like a stage where I felt like really self conscious, like, oh my God, you know, they're watching, they know everything. You know, I kind of felt like, you know, I knew everything about me, you know, but you know, finally just get over that. I know everything anyway, because when it first they first came, I was really just blown away. But I felt like I was just walking in a trance. I just felt like really calm, like, wow. And I was like, I tell people, wow. It's like this is by aliens, you know. The next day I was driving down San Francisco delivering some wine. But no big deal, but this is like the first three nights they come on two successful nights I was like working during the day and you know, I didn't really work at the winery then. I kind of once in a while they'd let me do something. But just by chance I just happened to be like driving, delivering wine that day. And it's like I wasn't even freaked out. I just somehow you'd think, you know, I'd be all just freaking out, but I wasn't. I just felt like I was. There's some other in spirit in me that just made me feel like it's all good.
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Nick Hunter (UFO Chronicles Host)
And did they, they ever give you any reason why they were in contact with you?
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Mark (UFO Encounteree)
Oh, no. I think it stemmed from they had me somehow programmed where my mind was a willing participant and trying to help help them. You know, like get the churches on the bandwagon. Yes, the UFOs are. This is back in 1993. Right. So there's still a lot of stuff out there. You know, when it first happened, I was like so in the dark about my God, what is going on. I just tried to find like everything I could and I just went to every thrift store, every books, every library and just find all these really obscure books, like older ones, like you know, Gene Dixon and. Yeah, like kind of like a lot of weird older new age writers that channeling, you know, like Seth and all that. And then all these really weird off the wall ones like the Peter Herkos, a weird photographic memory guy and he's weird like crazy ones about it. Mind of Billy Milligan. All these really weird ones where there's like possession people that are like borderline possessed by demons, you know. But then Lusky and all these other stuff going way back into the early 1900s, you know, about 19 or year 2000. I went online, I tried to get every old UFO book they have from the 50s. Remember all the contactees like Damsky and Menger and Angelucci and Daniel Fried just. There's some really obscure ones. But all Those like Major 1, you know, the Kyo and all those kind of older ones. There's like so many of them that there was like all these really older ones. You know, I tried to like get all the real classic. So I have a collection. Remember Jeffrey Mishlove had that guy, the PK Man? The book originally by the PK man called how to Space People. That guy's name.
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Nick Hunter (UFO Chronicles Host)
Oh, that's Ted, isn't it? That's Ted Owens.
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Mark (UFO Encounteree)
Yeah, exactly. I have his original book. It has like a face on the front with these two. The eyes. Has two sets of eyes of like a weird alien or something. Yeah, like there's second copies, but I actually it's really rare now. You got the Silver Bridge. Remember the Silver Bridge story and the moth. The Mothman thing. I have original copy of that, the first edition. So I tried to collect all these really rares. Luckily they didn't all burn down because like big fires came through Northern California and a lot of people's houses burned. But where I was living, all my rare books survived. Yeah, I just became fanatic. You got to like study a lot, right?
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Nick Hunter (UFO Chronicles Host)
Yeah, you're absolutely right. It's. There's so much material. Yeah, that's wonderful, Mark.
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Mark (UFO Encounteree)
So I can't get over it, you know, it's like been like 30 years and I always think about it like it'll just like change your life.
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Nick Hunter (UFO Chronicles Host)
Exactly. And sometimes can be difficult to say, you know, over the, over the phone. Sometimes it's easier to actually have it down in, in writing, as you know, as you found out. Mark, I really appreciate you coming on and sharing that for our listeners.
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Mark (UFO Encounteree)
Yeah, I was like kind of nervous. All right, thanks so much.
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Nick Hunter (UFO Chronicles Host)
You did great. Okay, Mark, take care and we will speak soon.
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Mark (UFO Encounteree)
All right, see you later.
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Nick Hunter (UFO Chronicles Host)
See you later. Enjoy the rest of your evening. Bye for now.
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Air Traffic Controller / Radio Operator
Mark.
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Nick Hunter (UFO Chronicles Host)
That is all for today. Keep updated and connected with the show on X, Facebook and Instagram. And if you have an encounter that you'd like to share on the podcast, you can email me@ufocroniclesmail.com or you can reach out to me via the contact page on my website, ufocronicles podcast.com a big thank you to Mark for sharing tonight and as always, thank you all for listening. I will be back next week. Till then, stay safe and keep watching the skies.
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Mark (UFO Encounteree)
Goodbye.
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