Ep.258 It Was Terrifying / Fort Bragg (Throwback)

Summary

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UFO Chronicles Podcast – Ep. 258: "It Was Terrifying / Fort Bragg (Throwback)"

Date: July 14, 2026
Host: Nik Hunter
Format: First-hand, uninterrupted witness accounts of strange and unexplained phenomena, including UFOs, abductions, paranormal events, secret military projects, and personal trauma.

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Episode Overview

This episode features two distinct and deeply personal accounts:

• Ryan (Arizona): Shares several out-of-body and near-death experiences, exploring the boundary between consciousness, trauma, and possible metaphysical travel.
• Angela (North Carolina): Describes a traumatic life story involving illegal adoption, child abuse, ties to secret military and CIA projects, and a traumatic brush with human trafficking and unexplained phenomena at and around Fort Bragg.

The episode's tone is unvarnished and raw, with both guests recounting their stories in vivid personal detail—touching on grief, survival, and a search for truth.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Ryan’s Out-of-Body and Near-Death Experiences [05:49–22:54]

The Bathtub Incident – A Terrifying Journey

• Setting: 1999, aged 19 or 20, Ryan gets up early for a summer job.

• Incident: While waiting for the shower to warm, passes out after sitting on the toilet.

• Experience:

  • Enters total darkness, hears increasingly intense high-pitched ringing.
  • Suddenly propelled at "insane speeds" through a wall of brilliant, unfamiliar colors and abstract lines, akin to a cityscape painted in vivid hues.
  • Sensory description:

    "They were all going past the left side of my face, like someone pushed my head up against the wall."
    [06:40]

  • The sound transforms from ringing into a "digital, choppy" distortion—compared to the sound in The Matrix when Neo touches the mirror.
  • Overwhelming terror, wakes up to find himself in an unnatural position on his bathroom floor with a head wound.

• Possible Explanations:

  • Doctor suggests fainting during urination is not uncommon in men.
  • Ryan draws parallels to DMT (Dimethyltryptamine) experiences—especially the tunnel and vibrating sounds—despite no drug use.
  • Wonders if trauma-induced endogenous DMT release is possible.

Out-of-Body Experience as a Child

• Setting: Age 8, accident with letter opener.
• Incident: Stabbed in wrist, rides home, faints in kitchen.
• Experience:
  • Sees himself from above, arms crossed on the couch, hears mother’s panicked voice, is "pulled" back into his body.
  • Mother reports he stopped breathing and required resuscitation.
• Reflection:
  • Unsure if the experience was literal or visionary; confirmed details with his mother.
• Quote:

  "I found myself floating in our living room… above the ceiling fan… saw myself on our couch laying there with my arms crossed..."
  [12:27]

Two Additional Brief Experiences

• Near-Sleep Mystical Experience: During prayer at a crisis point in college, felt floating above bed, tingling, “like God was comforting me.”
• Negative Sensation: Panic attack episode, felt pulled down and out of control until prayed for, which immediately ended the panic and returned him to normal.

Ryan’s Reflections

• On Creative Sensibility:

  "I'm a creative person. That's my profession. I do find myself pretty open to the weirdness that may be in the world."
  [16:58]

• Seeking Community:
  • Hearing similar stories (esp. DMT trips) is both unsettling and validating.
  • Encourages listeners to reach out if they’ve had similar journeys.

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2. Angela’s Trauma, Military Family, and Fort Bragg Secrets [27:21–76:41]

Family Background & Adoption

• Born: 1987, Harnett County, NC; birth mother Kelly Williford.
• Adopted: By Master Sergeant Stephen Maggard, Green Beret, who apparently returned to find a baby in his care without warning or explanation.
• Bizarre Adoption Circumstances:
  • Adoption agency did not exist.
  • Sealed adoption file missing from vital records.
  • Adoptive mother able to acquire classified records.
  • Large sums of money and influence seem to have enabled irregularities.

Military & Intelligence Ties

• Father (Stephen Maggard): 3rd generation Green Beret at Fort Bragg.
• Grandfather (Sanders 'Jean' Maggard): Green Beret, involved in Operation Jedi Warrior (psychic/super soldier project—part of Stargate program).
• Grandmother (Ann Jutman): CIA psychic remote viewer (Grill Flame, Stargate, Sunstreak).

Abuse, Kidnapping, and Trauma

• Kidnapped & Illegally Adopted:
  • Claims to be one of multiple children trafficked out of the county.
  • Substantial, repeated abuse by adoptive mother; police and social services routinely returned her to the abuser despite her pleas and documented injuries.
• Father’s Attempt to Save Her:
  • Attempted to go AWOL and flee the country with Angela in 1991, lost custody after.
• Move to Ohio:
  • Abuse escalated, tried to document everything from age 7.

Paranormal & Unexplained Phenomena

• Fort Bragg & Wright Patterson AFB:
  • Claims of underground facilities, tunnels, and facilities connected to projects involving psychic phenomena and experimentation on children.
  • Frequent paranormal activity, possible connections with historical Native American sites.
  • Quote:

    "There are two underground bases there underneath of Fort Bragg...the Rockefeller estate...and there's tunnel systems under there...tunnels under Wright Patterson AFB that connect to Wright State University."
    [35:48]

• Family Secrecy:
  • Grandfather “disappeared,” living incognito in Mexico; grandmother unaffiliated with any family.
• Psychic Abilities:
  • Angela references precognition (dreamt her father’s death), psychic impressions connected to missing persons.
• UFO Sighting:
  • August 2, 2011, Warsaw, NC.

    "It did not crash. There was no explosion. It landed… We saw this orange, glowy ball come close...it landed at a private airport...Military was in there within 30 minutes."
    [73:55]

Exposure, Activism, and Consequences

• Ongoing Investigation:
  • Seeking her sealed adoption file, justice for herself and others.
  • Numerous efforts to contact military and authorities, rebuffed repeatedly.
  • After speaking to a Rolling Stone journalist, contacted by Fort Bragg officials—felt threatened due to history of whistleblowers being harmed.
• Beliefs on Systemic Abuse & Trafficking:
  • Explicit about ongoing child/human trafficking, corruption in local law enforcement, “currency is secrets.”
  • Committed to transparency, using real names and evidence where possible.
• Impact on Personal Life:
  • Multiple attempts on her own life and by her siblings; detailed the long-term psychological effects and barriers to healing.
  • Many people in her community (including father and friends) have died under suspicious circumstances linked to their resistance or knowledge.
  • Quote:

    "So many people could have changed some things. They could have done something about it. I started running away at age five...Three miles away, barefoot..."
    [33:15]

Goals & Message

• Seeking:
  • Answers about her adoption and family history.
  • Public acknowledgment and apology for illegal adoptions and military complicity.
  • Justice for her family and other victims.
  • Greater oversight for foster/adoptive children; support for trafficking and abuse survivors.
• Warning:

  "Tread lightly. Don't start researching, don't start digging if you don't have the emotional capacity to finish it because it'll finish you."
  [67:22]

• Advocacy:
  • Created/joined online support groups exposing police corruption.
  • Encourages transparency, collective action, and systemic change—even if “uncomfortable.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Ryan (on the terror of his experience):

  "It was so fast and really scary. You know, this wasn't fun at all... vibrating my whole being to the point where I was just screaming in terror and it just woke me up." [07:35]

• Angela (on the depth of family secrecy):

  "I never thought my grandparents would work for the CIA... My grandma living in Texas and Georgia, my grandpa moving to Mexico... How are you going to be married and live in two different countries?" [36:50]

• Angela (on whistleblowing):

  "Their currency is secrets. If one person speaks up, there's going to be a domino effect there... That's why you don't see a lot of whistleblowers." [44:12]

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Important Timestamps

• [05:49] Ryan begins his segment; introduction and first out-of-body experience.
• [12:27] Ryan describes his childhood out-of-body experience after being stabbed.
• [15:56] Follow-up: Ryan’s spiritual episodes in college and their religious/spiritual context.
• [17:16] Host and Ryan discuss creativity and openness to other realities.
• [27:21] Angela begins her account—family and adoption background.
• [33:15] Detailed description of abuse, institutional failures, and her documentation efforts.
• [35:48] Describes Fort Bragg, underground bases, and CIA “Stargate” connections.
• [43:54] Angela’s search for accountability, transparency, and justice.
• [48:47] Conversation on Fort Bragg's history of corruption, trafficking, and suspicious deaths.
• [73:55] Angela’s only UFO sighting—detailed and corroborated by local witnesses.
• [75:47] Angela shares her father's, grandfather's, and grandmother's full names and roles for listeners who might know more.
• [76:41] Host wraps up, invites listeners to share related encounters.

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Thematic Takeaways

• Search for Truth in Unseen Realms:
  Both guests grapple with reality-bending events—whether through trauma, near-death, or anomalous phenomena. Their stories question not only the nature of consciousness and perception but also the systems of power and secrecy that shape our lives.
• Systemic Corruption and the Difficulty of Whistleblowing:
  Angela’s account threads together generational trauma, clandestine programs, and the fraught work of exposing wrongdoing in powerful, interconnected systems.
• Expression and Healing Through Story:
  The episode foregrounds the act of telling one's story as a form of meaning-making and healing, inviting listeners to validate, share, or reflect on their own experiences.

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For Listeners

If you or someone you know has experienced similar phenomena—whether out-of-body experiences, involuntary adoption and loss, paranormal military connections, or direct knowledge of the individuals discussed—host Nik Hunter encourages you to reach out (ufochroniclesmail.com) or through the podcast website.

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Transcript

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[Ryan]

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[Ryan]

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[Nick Hunter]

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[John Daly / Narrator / Angela]

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[Ryan]

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[John Daly / Narrator / Angela]

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[Nick Hunter]

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[Ryan]

There were seven. One Papa Golf. Go ahead. And was there anybody that above us that passed us like 30 seconds ago? There was 71 Papa Golf. Negative. Okay, something UFO. Yeah, it's murder. 1095. Yeah, something just passed over.

[John Daly / Narrator / Angela]

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[Ryan]

at least 2,3000ft above us.

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[Ryan]

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[Ryan]

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[Ryan]

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[Nick Hunter]

Welcome to UFO Chronicles, a place where people share their experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had an encounter and would like to be on the show, you can email [e-mail].

[Ryan]

Foreign

[Nick Hunter]

and welcome to the show. I hope you're all doing well. I'm Nick Hunter and this is the UFO Chronicles podcast. Our first guest tonight is Ryan in Arizona, sharing a couple of his out of body experiences. Ryan had a terrifying experience after hitting his head on the bathtub. He passed out and remembers traveling at insane speeds in some sort of weird colorful tunnel. Then we move on to Angela in North Carolina sharing her story. She's a survivor of child abuse, was kidnapped and illegally adopted into a military CIA family. Ryan is up next. But first, if you enjoy the show and you would like to help support the podcast on Patreon, you can do this for as little as $1 a month. Head on over to patreon.com UFO Chronicles podcast. You can also find a link in the description of this episode. Any help is very much appreciated. Now on with the show. Hello, Ryan. Welcome to the the show.

[Ryan]

Hey, Nick, how are you doing?

[Nick Hunter]

I'm Doing pretty good, thank you. It's great to have you with us. And you're calling from the state of Arizona?

[Ryan]

That's right. Tucson, Arizona.

[Nick Hunter]

Tucson, Arizona. Great stuff. Okay, now, Ryan, you have a bit of a strange experiences to share. Would you like to start at the beginning please, sir?

[Ryan]

Sure, yeah. I have about, you know, four what I consider to be out of body experiences. I don't know if they really are or not. I just know they're very strange things that have happened to me. I think I'll talk about two of them today. The first one, it happened to me when I was about 19 years old. So that was around 1999. I might have been 20. It's kind of hard to remember at this point, but I was working for my grandmother. It was a summer I was home from college and this job required me to get up really early. Not much of a morning person. So, you know, getting up at 5am was super tough for me. And so I, you know, I got up, was very groggy, very out of it, went to, you know, go take a shower to kind of wake myself up. So I turned on the shower and I was waiting for the water to warm up, decided, you know, I'll just sit here on the toilet, maybe use the bathroom while I'm waiting for this shower to warm up and did that. Next thing I know, kind of I'm just in total darkness. Kind of found myself in a, in a completely dark place. And then I was hearing a ringing sound, very high pitched ringing sound. And. And then all of a sudden this insanely fast wall, I call it like a wall of colors and lines. You know, if you imagine a drawing of a cityscape and it's drawn on a wall and then there's just every color you can imagine kind of spray painted on it and they were all going past the left side of my face and as if like someone pushed my head up against the wall. So it's like right on my eyeball thing. I made a post on Reddit a few years ago where I drew this and I posted it there. And okay, so that's going past my face. I'm talking like a thousand miles an hour. It was so fast and really scary. You know, this wasn't fun at all. And that ringing sound as this is speeding up, you know, it's like I was going through some sort of tunnel. I was like shot through kind of thing. That's what it felt like. And the ringing kept growing louder and louder to the point where it was the loudest sound I've ever heard even to this day. It was in my ear, kind of loud. And then the sound started to change from being this high pitched sound to this really sort of digital choppy sound. And you know, I found a few examples online that are close. The closest thing I've found is actually in the movie the Matrix whenever Neo takes the red pill and he touches that mirror and that metal kind of goes all around his arm and into his mouth and he starts to scream and it makes that really digital sort of sound. That's the closest I found to what it sounded like. And so that just kept getting louder and louder and louder, vibrating my whole being to the point where I was just screaming in terror and it just woke me up. And I found myself on the floor of the bathroom in the weirdest position ever. I mean, I couldn't do it if I tried. I'm surprised they break my neck. My neck was bent down and my chin was dug deep into my chest and I was resting kind of on the back of my head on the floor and I had a giant knot on my forehead so apparently bonked my head on the bathtub and just, you know, I felt like I had kind of gone to hell or something and all of a sudden found myself on the floor to bathroom. It was a really scary experience. Ended up going to the doctor that morning. Dr. Said that apparently it's somewhat common for men to, to faint sometimes in the morning when they use the restroom. I never heard that before, but hey, it happened to my uncle. He told me that happened to him too, so. So yeah, that's the, that's the first experience that I had. I, you know, I kind of revisited all that in my mind when I started hearing a lot of stories about DMT and people that, you know, would have DMT trips and they were explaining things. I'm like, man, that sounds just like what I experienced. At least the first part of a DMT trip where people say they travel through some sort of thing, even though they say it's really scary, if you're not ready for it, you might snap out of it. And then they would hear these digital sounds and that's when like, well, weird. So I started looking that up and then like, oh my gosh, it's. I wonder if maybe I had some sort of internal DMT trip or something by banging my head on the bathtub. I have no idea, but it definitely was an experience. So that's one. Another one happened earlier on in my life. I was about 8 years old and I was playing with my friend. We were, we had found his mom's letter opener that looked like a tiny little sword. It's really cool. And we said, oh, let's throw the letter opener at stuff. So we were throwing it at a box that he had in his room and the box kept falling over. And in my 8 year old infinite wisdom, I was like, oh, I know, I'll hold the box. That way we don't have to keep picking the box up and all that. So I held the box and on the first row, the letter opener sword went right through the box and right into my wrist. And so I had to kind of pull it out. And you know, I was eight years old, so I was freaking out, couldn't find his mom. So I said, okay, I'll just get on my bike and I'll ride home and I'll tell my mom. And so I rode my bike home. It was about a block or so, and I go into the kitchen and I told my mom Daniel stabbed me. And then I, and then I fainted. And this part of the story she's told me because I don't recall this, but she said, I just fell onto the kitchen floor. I wasn't bleeding from the wound, strangely. I had a lot of 8 year old baby fat, I guess, and it sort of was bubbling out of the cut. Sorry to be gross there. And next thing I know from my point of view, I found myself floating in our living room. We had the really tall ceiling in our living room about two stories high. And I was up, way up high above the ceiling fan even, and I was looking down and I saw myself on our couch laying there by myself with my arms crossed, kind of like, you know, you see people in a coffin, which is very strange. And I was just floating around, looking around like, what is happening? And then I heard my mom's voice in my head screaming my name. And so that was scary for me to hear, especially you know, hearing the fear in her voice. So I, then I started floating down to my body, went into my body. And the second I went into my body I woke up and my mom was actually right on top of me and I was on the couch in the living room and her face was right in front of mine, falling. She's crying. It turns out she had had to give me mouth to mouth. She said I had stopped breathing. Very strange. And yeah, that's the two stories I'd like to tell them.

[Nick Hunter]

How very peculiar.

[Ryan]

Yeah, very strange. You know, I, you know, the fact that I Didn't see my mom when I was floating. You know, it does kind of make me think it was just all in my head. I don't know. But, yeah, very peculiar. And it's. You know, I've always been fascinated with. With all these other stories I hear.

[Nick Hunter]

And you said from. From the ceiling fan, you saw yourself on the couch with your arms crossed. And imagine if you'd passed out and your mum had put you on the couch and she. She would have crossed your arms before, you know, attempting to resuscitate you.

[Ryan]

Well, I asked my mom, actually, a couple days ago to make sure, you know, I was remembering things, you know, that she had told me. And she said she didn't recall crossing my arms. And when I woke up, I don't remember my arms being crossed. So, you know, very weird.

[Nick Hunter]

Correct. And all that from just. From just a little leather opener.

[Ryan]

I know. Yeah. I still have the scar on my arm.

[Nick Hunter]

These aren't the only two occasions you've experienced something like this.

[Ryan]

That's right. I've had two other ones that I can kind of briefly talk about. I didn't plan on talking about them. They're a bit more personal. But in general, one of them, I found myself. This was in college and in my dorm room, and I was having a really personal moment of crisis and found myself in deep prayer for the first time, a real prayer to God. And I felt myself floating above my bed, and I felt a tingling sensation all over my whole body as if God were comforting me and hugging me. And I immediately fell asleep. So that. That's a very general, quick version there. And then another time, there was another. Another moment where I was having a. Let's call it a panic attack. And someone had prayed for me in that moment. And I felt like I was being pulled into the ground, into the floor. It felt evil. No other way to say it. And the moment that I was prayed for, I instantly pulled back into my body and all my negative feelings instantly went away. And that definitely was an experience, though, too.

[Nick Hunter]

Are you religious at all?

[Ryan]

Yes, I'm Christian.

[Nick Hunter]

Okay. And any family members that have experienced anything very similar to this.

[Ryan]

You know, my mom once, when my grandmother died, it was. My mom was with her when she passed. And she said a few minutes after she passed, she went out to the. To the car to get something. And how do I explain this? So she was in the front driver's. You know, she opened the driver's seat car door and was leaning in to get something. And she said the back door behind the driver's seat, swung open and bumped her. And she's always felt that that was. That was my grandmother kind of giving her a message like, hey, I'm here. Very strange moment. But we all actually kind of found comfort in it, right?

[Nick Hunter]

Yeah, sure. It seems like you're very. Like you're very able to just go somewhere else, if you see what I mean. You're very easy to slip in and out.

[Ryan]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I'm. I'm a creative person. That's my profession. And I do find myself pretty open to the weirdness that may be in the world. And in reality, I'm fascinated by that stuff, always have been. Which is why I love your podcast.

[Nick Hunter]

That's what it's all about, you know, your first experience. I don't think I've ever heard that before, where, you know, where someone gets up very early in the morning. I've been there when I was a teenager, getting up far too early and, you know, you go pee and then you lose. You lose consciousness or whatever. Since, you know, since you've contacted me, I have kind of looked it up, and it is a little bit of a common thing for men that get up too early.

[Ryan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Nick Hunter]

And go to pee, you know, still half asleep. It's very, very strange when. To go on a little journey like that because I've been, you know, I fainted. I've been knocked unconscious before plenty of times, but I've never experienced anything because of it. I don't remember anything, you know. But you seem to have gone on like a. Like a little journey of sorts.

[Ryan]

That's true.

[John Daly / Narrator / Angela]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

It certainly felt like I was going somewhere and I was somewhere. Didn't feel like I was just in my head, but, you know, I don't know, but it felt like, worth sharing. And hey, maybe. Maybe one of your listeners knows a lot more about that.

[Nick Hunter]

Yeah, What I do is because you, you know, you've. You've given me an image there and some sounds. So what I'll do is I'll leave. I'll put them on the website underneath this episode. I won't play the sounds now just in case people are driving, but I'll put them on the website and people can go and have a look and see if they've, you know, experienced anything very similar. You know, don't necessarily have to have, you know, fainted or anything like that, but maybe people have. Like you said, you are very creative and creative people. They're wired a little bit. A little bit different. It could be something maybe related to that.

[Ryan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Nick Hunter]

You know, because creative people, they have, you know, a whole world inside their brains, you know, creativity and stuff. This is all coming from someone that's not creative at all. You can barely draw a stickman. But to see those colors and to, and to hear those sounds and the digital sounds is very peculiar.

[Ryan]

Yeah. And you know, I don't know if I mentioned this, but the colors were also very, they were so bright and so rich. They were colors that I don't really normally see if ever really. And so that was really strange and kind of frightening too. Like I said, the one that, you know, was like a DMT trip was not fun, you know, it wasn't at all something I'd ever want to do again. But yeah, I can remember it like it was yesterday.

[Nick Hunter]

I know it's a while ago now. Would you have any idea how long you're right for?

[Ryan]

I have absolutely no clue. But I mean, if I were to give a rough guess. No, I have no idea. It could have been two seconds, it could have been five minutes. I have no idea. But I will say that in the experience alone it felt like maybe a minute.

[Nick Hunter]

Did you all just see and hear this from your eyes? You didn't see your body in this place or anything like that?

[Ryan]

No, no, I had no body. No.

[Nick Hunter]

All right, to our listeners, if this sounds familiar to you, get in contact and see if anyone else has had anything very similar to what Ryan has. It's an unusual one and it's, it's very, it's obviously very strange to you because else you wouldn't have got in contact.

[Ryan]

Yeah. And you know, it is comforting that, you know, when I started to hear about DMT and I, like I said, and I started to read those stories, oh my gosh, other people have had those, that same experience as me and in a way it's comforting.

[Nick Hunter]

Of course, you know, you know, I have had a couple of episodes that have been kind of drug related. Whether it's a person's experience or they have drug problems over the years. This place where people go to on, on dmt, you know, obviously it's a place whether you get there via the use of drugs or another way, but people definitely go somewhere.

[Ryan]

Yeah. I wouldn't recommend the knocking your head on the bathtub route.

[Nick Hunter]

Could have been quite serious mind, especially as the way that you landed.

[Ryan]

Yeah. You know, and I hurt my neck. It took about 10 years for my neck to really kind of feel normal again. It wasn't severe, but it Just was a thing where I could just kind of feel that anytime I'd turn my neck a lot. I always felt like it was a little different, but now it's back. I mean it took like I said it took like 10 years.

[Nick Hunter]

Crikey. Yeah, you could have done some damage there. Good stuff, Ryan. Interesting.

[Ryan]

Thank you, Nick. I appreciate you letting me be on the show. It's one of my favorites. It's a real pleasure.

[Nick Hunter]

I'm glad to hear you've been listening for a while.

[Ryan]

Oh yeah, yeah. A couple years now I think. But I've been going through your backlog so I may have listened to everything at this point.

[Nick Hunter]

We're no short of guests, mind we. It's actually hard to, to keep on top of things because so many people reach out and I've got about 50 people I'm dealing with at the minute, like with back and forth and stuff. And then I've got, I've got 200 in the, in the inbox where they've either they've stopped contacting or they've changed their mind or they want to see again in about six months time or whatever. So I have to keep on constantly going back and I do eventually filter some, most of them through. In any case, there's one when she was about two years from the time she contacted. I like to try and get people recorded as quick as possible.

[Ryan]

Yeah, well, I was surprised how quickly you responded to me. So I figured, oh, he probably once he has something he needs to move quickly or else people kind of maybe chicken out.

[Nick Hunter]

They do. And there's some people where I talk to every week. I'm not sure, you know, I'm not. I never force people to come on. It's completely up to them. But I just say, listen, it's just me and you talking. It's not live. And when it does get released, it's only listened to by like minded people.

[Ryan]

Very happy that you responded and like I said, it's quite a pleasure. Love this show. So thank you.

[Nick Hunter]

Good stuff. No problem, Ryan. I really appreciate you coming on, sharing that for our listeners.

[Ryan]

Yeah, thanks a lot, Nick. That was fun.

[Nick Hunter]

You take care, all right. Especially around the toilet area.

[Ryan]

All right. All right. Appreciate it. Take care.

[Nick Hunter]

No problem. Take care of yourself. Speak soon.

[Ryan]

Bye bye.

[Nick Hunter]

Bye. For now.

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[Nick Hunter]

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[John Daly / Narrator / Angela]

Thank you for having me. I appreciate it.

[Nick Hunter]

You're more than welcome and it's our pleasure. Thank you for coming on today. Now, Angela, you're going to be sharing your experiences. Would you like to start at the beginning please, ma'?

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[John Daly / Narrator / Angela]

Sure. So I was born March 15, 1987, here in Harnett County, North Carolina. My birth mother's name is Kelly Williford. She passed on my birthday, March 15, 2018, at UNC Chapel Hill. That's further along at the story. But my father, my adopted father was handed a baby October 27, 1987, the day that he became a Green Beret. I know this for a fact because I have it on VHS tape. He had no knowledge that there was going to be a baby at his house. He literally came back from, you know, earning his Green Beret to a child already there. So I have no knowledge of where I was those few months that I was taken from my birth mother and how I ended up in his hands. I know that the adoption agency that I was adopted out of does not exist. It never existed in Wellington, North Carolina. My sealed adoption file, which is supposed to be in vital records, nobody else is supposed to have access to it without a court order. And that's only supposed to be me. It's not there at all. It's not even in this state. Somehow my adopted mother was able to legally obtain it. Not much of a surprise to me, because that side of my family has a lot of money. They're able to pretty much do what they want, when they want, because money speaks. So. My adopted father, his name was Master Sergeant Stephen Maggard. He was a Green Beret here at Fort Bragg, North Carolina. Third generation Special Forces. His father, Sanders Maggard, was also a Green Beret, but he was a part of Operation Jedi Warrior, which was a psychic super soldier program here at Fort Bragg in the 70s. It was a project inside of the Stargate Project. My grandmother, her name is Ann Jutman, she was a psychic remote viewer for the CIA. She was a part of Grill Flame, Stargate, Sunstreak, and many others. Those are just the declassified ones. She's still alive. There's a lot more I can talk about, but I have ptsd. I've gone through a lot of trauma, so bear with me. If I talk in circles, I apologize, but I'm trying to bring awareness that Wright Patterson Air Force Base does unethical. What's the proper way to say this? Experiments on children, you know, like, I experienced it from 1991 through 1999. I have found documents from 1984 and 1986 where they openly admit to these projects. And I've spoke to other individuals that worked there that were aware of these type of projects. My father, Master Sergeant Maggard, tried to go AWOL with me in 1991. He tried to take me out of the country. What would make a man of that caliber risk his entire military career for a child that he had just got, you know, custody just a few months before? That wasn't like him at all. He ultimately lost custody of me over that incident. And that's when I was moved up to Ohio with my adopted mother and where the abuse started and took place. I dealt with a lot of paranormal activity there. I didn't realize the historical significance of the town that we lived in, honestly, until just a few years ago. I always knew that the mounds and stuff around there were special. You know, I dealt with a lot of stuff there, but I never really understood the, you know, the extent of it, let alone the type of abuse that I was dealing with. It had always been my normal. So I really didn't wake up and process that till, you know, mid-20s. And I was already a mom myself, so it was really very difficult to unpack and process you know, that pretty much everything I had learned my entire life was a lie. That the people that I thought I knew, I really didn't know at all. And, you know, I was stuck on trying to find my birth mom, which I did find her. I did have time with her. But ultimately she was electrocuted from the inside out at UNC Chapel Hill. And I was refused an autopsy because I had to prove that I was her daughter. So instead of cremating her, which was her wishes, I buried her so that way I could have her exhumed. I have contacted Fort Bragg numerous times to try to get their help for this. They did not contact me until after I spoke to an investigative journalist from Rolling Stone magazine, which I found it really, really weird that they contacted me shortly after speaking to this individual. Especially because the last individual that spoke to this journalist involving this military base did wind up murdered. So it was really kind of like, oh, my God moment for me. But I spoke to them. They offered to help me with my father being handed a baby. They said if that truly happened, that they would. That would be handled. But they also said that if they helped me, that pretty much I should be satisfied. I had to turn that down. I don't think that that's something that I can morally accept just because, like, yes, I want these answers more than anything, but I currently know that there's a certain group at Fort Bragg that's very high. I'm just gonna say it. Special Forces soldiers are involved in human and drug trafficking at Fort Bragg. This is not something that's new. It's been going on for a long time. It's really sick, the amount of people that are complacent. There's a lot of bodies that drop up missing around this military base. A lot of sold, a lot of girls being drugged. Human and drug trafficking is really, really high out here. I'm not the only person that was kidnapped and sold as a baby out of this county. There's multiple others. I'm 36 years old. So, like, I started writing my journals at age 7. I'm 36. That's a lot written down. As soon as I processed that, hey, you know, the drugs that they were giving me, that something wasn't right. You know, I wanted the document. I remember watching Matilda and Harry the Spy. And what I got from those movies was kids could hold adults accountable. You just had enough, had to have enough proof because, you know, without the proof, nobody's going to believe you. Which is something, unfortunately, I've had to learn the hard way, as an adult. Because with a story like this, a lot of people aren't open to that, which is understandable. Honestly, a little bit of me is kind of envious of that mentality. I would love to be able to walk through life and, you know, have that kind of, like, peace of mind. But at the end of the day, I. I've had the same goal since age 7. I just want to hold them accountable. I would like justice, and I would really like answers. I'd like the truth more than any. You know, that's why I use my real government name. That's why I post my family. And I'm really thankful to my adopted uncle, Mark Maggard. He's also on Twitter and Facebook. He. He's helped me a lot with getting to the truth of it. He has a different theory when it comes to all of this. He believes that my adopted father is somehow my biological father. I do not know who my biological father is. That is something that I am actively, really trying to find out. That's one of the reasons I really wanted that file is just so I can get some answers. Because my birth mother, before pasta, she dealt with a lot of trauma, a lot. So when we would talk about certain topics, she would shut down or she would get, you know, really upset and reclusive. And I didn't understand it at the time. I do now. But back then, I was very frustrated with her because I just didn't understand why she couldn't just confront her problems. And that was just because, you know, the way I was raised. So, honestly, I was a little harsh on her, maybe more harsh than I should have been, but she understood. And instead of laying it all out on me and telling me all the truth, she kind of just let me think whatever I needed to and let me just, like, learn. And honestly, it's what I needed at the time. And I think that was very brave of her to be able to just eat all that. A bitter teenager. You have to think, you know, like, I respected my dad. I respected the military. I was kind of, like, groomed from a very young age to meet other people's needs. People that described me as a child, they would say that I was very robotic, like, very obedient, but at the same time, very angry. You know, like, they could see that's why I'm upset. A lot of these adults, they knew what was going on, but nobody wanted to face the implications of speaking up against people with that type of power. And that's one of the reasons why I'm so nosy and so transparent and open about things is because I feel like that was the biggest issue, is the complacency. So many people could have changed some things. They could have done something about it. I started running away at age five. I got over three miles away, barefoot, blisters on my feet. They took me back. You know what I mean? Like, that's. That's actual documents, you know, and police records of me begging for help, telling them what was going on. And they just took me right back to her. She even lost custody of me, you know, because this woman tortured me. And I'm not the only one that she tortured. I had two stepsisters, but I will not say their names, just for the simple fact that they are extremely traumatized. They only had three years experience with her. But I had to tell their father what was going on just because, like, I couldn't bear to watch them go through it, you know? And I was the oldest, so I felt morally responsible. So I told him that, you know, she had burned our butts on a stove. She had forced us to lay out naked in the snow. She had put a butcher knife to my chest. That was over dishes. I was washing dishes, and I guess I had washed them wrong. And I got lippy with her. So she put the butcher knife to my chest, and she's like, I could kill you now and nobody would know it. And I was like, well, your fingerprints are on there. Because I was really mouthy, if we're gonna be honest. I'd never cussed, but I always said the last word. And she. So she took her sleeve and she wiped the knife. She put it to my chest again. And I was like, well, I'll write your name in my blood. And she's like, well, I'll clean it up. And I was like, well, they have a light for that. And that's when she stabbed me. She didn't cut me deep enough to, like, hurt hurt, but it was enough for me to bleed. It was enough to scare me, because anyone knows that wounds right there. You bleed a lot. It traumatized me. I don't have any really good memories from childhood. I have a few here and there when I was allowed to go to my dad's. But the majority of it is traumatizing, you know, and having to, like, face all that and then learn all this stuff about your. You know, I never thought my grandparents would work for the CIA. I always wondered, you know, what they did in the military. Just because all the secrecy and then my Grandpa moving to Mexico and her, you know, my grandma living out here originally in Texas and in Georgia. Like, how are you going to be married and live in two different countries, you know, let alone, like, I never knew any of her family. I knew, you know, my dad's side, but, like, she never had any other people around. Well, there's a lot of stuff that goes on with Fort Bragg. Like, a lot of people don't know that there are two underground bases there underneath of Fort Bragg, let alone the Rockefeller estate that's on Fort Bragg property that's called Overhills, that's at the corner of Highway 87 and Nursery Road. There's a lacrosse field, there's a golf course, there's stables, there's a main house. There's actually quite a few different houses and cottages. One of the houses that's been demolished will burn down. But there's also tunnel systems under there. It's pretty, pretty crazy. There's also tunnels underneath of Wright Patterson Air Force Base that connect up to Wright State University, and there's also tunnels under there, under Ohio that are from, you know, natural cave systems and tunnels that the Adena tribe, you know, used to use. Like, a lot of people don't know about the Adena tribe, but there's a pyramid in Miamisburg in Ohio, let alone the Mound of Enan, along with the tablet that they said that correlated with Gobeki Tepe in Turkey, and some type of ruins that they found in Jalisco, Mexico, in between Guadalajara and Mapa. I'm not exactly sure what all they found there, but that's where my grandfather moved. I know that's where he worked for a very long period of time until he disappeared. So I don't really know what happened to him. I haven't talked to him in a few years. He told me that he was gonna lay low for a bit in an email, and that was the last thing I heard from him. So I really don't know what's all going on with that. I know that I did call my grandma about a month or so ago, telling her, warning her that I was going to be talking about all this stuff. And I asked her for her help again for, you know, the millionth time, you know, because I've given my family ample warning what I was doing. I don't think they ever thought I would really do it, though, because honestly, I have problems talking with people. I have a lot of anxiety and I have a lot of trust issues just because I've had people that came into My life for, you know, ulterior motives. And I didn't really realize it, you know, because we're going to be honest, I think I'm a little bit emotionally younger than my peers, just from trauma. I mean, I'm intelligent, I'm really smart, but at the same time, I'm really trusting a little bit, you know, naive and gullible. I've. I've taken up since then, but, you know, there are still aspects and time periods where people can pull the wool over me. And I've had whole freaking relationships that were absolute fake. And that was really difficult to process. So, you know, having to come to terms with, you know, wow, like, I feel like I'm a little fish, not trying to be mean. But I'm a civilian. I refuse to join the military. I just have family that's involved in a lot of stuff that I. I know that's not okay. And then a lot of stuff that I still don't even know about. So I really just want an. I want justice more than anything. That's why I go to these different rooms, especially ones with veterans, and ask if they knew my family. And I've met a few different individuals that remember my father. I actually met another individual that remembered my grandfather, so it was kind of neat to hear their side. The one with my grandfather said that my grandfather was a great soldier, but he was kind of on the fence of doing what was right and wrong. The man that I talked to about my father, though, said he was very admirable and that, you know, he would second guess my dad being complacent to that type of stuff, especially since the way my father died, he was ran off the road by another vehicle and crashed into a tree not even a minute up the road from our house. And the crazy part about that is I had dreamed that before it happened. The only thing that was different in my dream is I had dreamed he had died on his motorcycle and not in his truck. So it was a little. It was really difficult because I felt like if I would have, you know, warmed him more, maybe I could have changed that. I did email him about it. He laughed at it because, you know, there's been numerous other times that he should have been dead and he didn't die. So you kind of at that point, point thought he was invincible, which most special forces guys I know do have that mentality. I think that, like a survival tactic, you know, like my dad always said, you know, you can go without food, water, you can live in the most deplorable conditions. If. If you lose your brain, though, if you lose your mind, you. You lose everything. That's the number one weapon. That's the one thing that you need to. To always keep, because if you lose that, it's in game, you know, I feel like my dad knew what I was gonna have to prepare for. You have to think he didn't have me. For the first 12 years of my life, he was fighting court systems, trying to get me free from my adopted mother, and he didn't have a leg to stand on just because of who my adopted mother's father was and how much money he had. And, you know, like, I appreciate the lessons. Like, I'm sorry, but it's a little ridiculous to make a kid go do PT every morning before school. And, you know, why do I need to know how to make a bow drill and all this other stuff? But I get now that he was teaching me discipline. He was teaching me how to survive. He was teaching me to understand mind games. You know, I would have never processed that then. I didn't process it then. It took me years to understand what he was doing, but I didn't respect him because he didn't just come out and say it. I've talked to him. I remember telling him about some of this stuff, but he shushed me about it. He told me just. I don't remember exactly what he said, but he pretty much told me that that wasn't something that I needed to deal with. This was the here and now. And you need to focus on your future, you know, because when he got custody of me in 1999, it was December. It was right after my adoptive mother tried to unalive me. He came back Africa, and he got full custody of me. And they rode away her rights. And so he moved me back to Fort Bragg, and they refused to put me in counseling. They just threw me into public school. And this is after being isolated. You know, my entire childhood, I hadn't hung out with other kids. The only interaction I had was with whoever my adopted mother deemed wasn't a threat against her. That was pretty much doctors, her family, my grandma Beanie and my great aunt Diana from my dad's side were the only two people she allowed to see on his side, because she didn't. They weren't a threat. They wouldn't go stand up against her. They blocked my father just to be able to see me. And I know that they did that so that I had some type of safety, you know, because my adopted mother drew the line if you have anything to do with, you know, Steve, my father, you know, you can't have anything to do with her. So my dad took him a long time to be able to talk to his family. He never talked to his father again. I remember that my grandfather was here in North Carolina in 1991 when my dad tried to go AWOL. My uncle thinks that my grandpa is the one who sold him out and told on him and set him up. I don't understand why he would do that or why he would be working with my adopted mother and my adopted grandfather. I didn't understand why he would go against his own son. But now that I know that he had ties to the CIA, I don't know what I know anymore. It's kind of, you know, like crap. What's true, what's not, what's connected, you know, what's coincidence or circumstance.

[Ryan]

It's.

[John Daly / Narrator / Angela]

It's very complicated to. To separate and pinpoint, you know, what is the truth. So that's why I'm speaking about all this stuff, trying to bring awareness to illegal adoptions, what adopted children have to go through, trafficking children. My birth mother died before she got a lick of justice. I live in the town that I live in on purpose because everybody out here said she faked her pregnancy, that I didn't exist, that I was never kidnapped, that it was all in her head, and it really hurt her on top of it, of whatever she went through and, you know, was running from. Because, I mean, this woman was scared to get her picture taken. She was always hidden. She wouldn't go out and do things. She was legitimately scared. And I never understood that because I didn't have that fear. And honestly, that's probably a flaw because I'm. I'm talking about some really big things. I have a lot of evidence. You know, like, I have. I'm in touch with a lot of people that are actively still involved in this stuff, and they are willing to come forward if I can get in a courtroom. They just can't right now because they're kind of actively working for the government. And so, like, I'm really thankful that they would speak up. I'm just really frustrated that they haven't so far. You know, I'm 36 years old. You had this many years to do it. I feel like the only reason why they're speaking up now is because they don't want me to tell the whole story. That seems to be the biggest issue that I have with most of my family members. It's not that they don't support me speaking on the trauma. They're just really worried about the way I would portray them speaking about my story. Not realizing that it's okay to not understand trauma. It's okay to, you know, be frustrated with me for not getting over it. They seem to think that I thought that they were the villain of my story. Not realizing that I'd gone through way much more, you know what I mean? So both my biological and my adoptive families that were a little bit complacent. I don't hate you. I love you. I want you all to know that I'm not going to sit here and dox everybody. I just want to talk about the root issues. You know, there are a lot of illegal adoptions. There's a lot of kids that are going missing. There are tunnel under a lot of these bases. And I think it all ties together. I think it's been going on for a long time. I think it has a lot to do with the finders club. I think that that's just one aspect of many different rabbit holes that are involved. So I think some of these people have been doing this for a very long time. So the other people that are, you know, working with them are complacent to it or know if we speak up, you know, I think their currency is secret. So if one person speaks up up, there's going to be a domino effect there. And I feel like it's a big liability. That's why you don't see a lot of whistleblowers. And the ones that you do see, they're pointed out as crazy or, you know, villain fied because, you know, they have nothing else to lose and you know, like that's a threat. Loose lip sync ships. So you have to be really careful. That's why I try to be fully transparent. What are they going to use against me? I don't break the law. I don't do stupid stuff. I'm not slandering or defaming character. I try to stick to facts. Facts. I really want justice and truth more than anything. So that's why I asked for people's help, you know, like, hey, you know, I give real names. I try to, you know, give dates and as much information as I have. But I'm one person and I'm really emotionally invested in this. So if anybody else has the emotional capacity or the clearance, help with this, you know, I'd really appreciate it. And then I'd like to implement some type of change because it was really, really Damaging to have to use waste 10, 15, 20 years of my life chasing these answers just so I could hear heal. I would love to see some type of organization or program in place to check on these adopted children, these kids in foster care, not only them, but survivors of human trafficking or, you know, there's a. Trying to get those answers and having to, you know, literally sift through all this different data, all these different platforms, you know, and I've been digging at this before Google was around, you know, so it was. It's really difficult when all the information wasn't in one spot. And then when you don't have the type of. Of, you know, like, mindset, you don't know what you're doing, it can be really overwhelming. And then having to walk off that trauma, learn how to heal, you know, while, you know, still working and raising kids, if you're doing that, that's hard. So I would love to see a program made and, you know, maybe help these. These kids and these survivors get the answers they seek so they're not wasting years of their life just so they can, you know, heal.

[Nick Hunter]

That's certainly a lot to unpack. Now, the thing with child abuse, child trafficking, it's a big elephant in the room. People know it go. People just don't want to know people are involved. There are a lot in various different organizations. It's difficult getting people to speak out. And as soon as people do, they get labeled. And generally the people that come forward are damaged individuals. So it's very easy to label someone. They're just making up, just fantasizing, whatever. So it's a very difficult thing. There's always been talk about Fort Bragg. There's been allegations against them, whether it's for drug trafficking, human trafficking. There's been deaths. There's been people going missing. I mean, the further you go back with Fort Brag, the more you dig up.

[John Daly / Narrator / Angela]

Yes. People living underground, that was like 2013, 2014. They were moving the old barracks to build new barracks, and they found people legitimately living underground, like in a doomsday scenario.

[Nick Hunter]

It's crazy. And there's even been recent. There's a woman found not so long ago. Was it a year ago? A couple years ago, she was found dead.

[John Daly / Narrator / Angela]

Yeah. The one that was murdered by the Delta Force soldier?

[Nick Hunter]

That's the one, yeah.

[John Daly / Narrator / Angela]

She was actually working with the investigative journalist that I was telling you about. That's why she was murdered. Is trying to expose the trafficking ring.

[Nick Hunter]

Okay, and how did you come into contact with the guy from Rolling Stone?

[John Daly / Narrator / Angela]

On Twitter. So he messaged me on Twitter, gave me his email, told me to contact. Well, he said to send him all the information on my research to him. And I'm not sorry, but I'm not doing that. I'm not doing that to anybody just because I. This is my whole life worth of research. That's a lot of stuff that I have multiple contingency plans just in place just because, like, I've met some really crazy people that pretended, you know, like they cared and they didn't. So, like, I want justice, but this is going to be an exchange thing if I'm going to give any names out to any of these survivors, because I do know people that dealt with this. There. There needs to be in writing documents that they're going to be protected, especially the female soldiers that were reprimanded for speaking on this stuff. There's a lot. There's a lot at Fort Bragg. And the wonderful thing about growing up there is, you know, a lot of these people knew me. A lot of these people respected my father. So as many bad people there are, there are equally as many good ones there. So I don't really feel threatened just because, you know, like, I. I am a local and I know my hometown. They're really solid. And I know that sounds weird, but, you know, when you come from a really small town, everybody knows everybody and they really do come together. Just because you have to think. I'm not the only person in this hometown that is going through this type of corruption. There are multiple individuals. This goes up higher than I think I can even fathom. If we're going to be honest. Harnett county is completely corrupt. One of my really good friends, his name was John Livingston, he was murdered by a Hammer county sheriff's officer. The officer had a warrant for another person, a different house. Guy didn't even live there. But he came into the house asking about that individual. And, you know, John told him that he didn't live there. He said, can I come in and check? 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There's a woman out here who I do not respect, but her trauma is valid. I feel like she has gone off the deep end. You know, sometimes when you go through these type of things, I look at it like a triangle. You go into rescuer mode or you go into repeat mode. And unfortunately, she has gone into the later. And I don't think she's a lost cause. I just think that the abuse that she went through was so extensive that she's screaming and begging for people to listen to her and she's getting trolled so much that she is now just nasty to everyone as a defense mechanism. But her name is Angela Scarborough. She was assaulted. She really went through a lot of stuff in a Hunt county jail out here, if anyone wants to look into our story. I don't support her as a person, but what she went through is disturbing and she's one of many. So we actually have a Facebook group that's called Harnett county, exposing police brutality and corruption. And that's what we do is just all the locals just share their information and try to be as open and transparent as possible to maybe bring awareness to this long line of corruption that's been going on for generations. We grew up here. We didn't know about the Rockefeller estate. And our high school is named after it. You know, like the roads are named after it. It's right there. You know, the whole time, you know, we're sitting here playing on this land, you know, and there's tunnels underground and, you know, there's a lot of stuff out there. The underground facility where they made, you know, like the Minute Stereot Goats, Operation Jedi Warrior, that's behind Fort Bragg, in between the Rockefeller Estate, like going towards Southern Pines, like the vast area. Like, if you look on Google Maps, you'll see like an old, old armory out in the middle of the woods back in that triangle. And literally underneath ground right there. That's. That's all an underground basically beneath that. 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[Nick Hunter]

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[John Daly / Narrator / Angela]

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[John Daly / Narrator / Angela]

I've read messages that I found on this computer with him and his best friend where he was joking about it. That was really, really hard to like swallow because like, I thought my relationship was. Was perfect. I mean, I had flaws, but it wasn't bad per se. You know, I just. He was always gone, he wasn't here. You know, he was always traveling. So that should have been a red flag. There's a lot of red flags, but I guess I saw a carnival. I didn't see them for what they were. I painted those roses red. All right. I think that was also a trauma response. I didn't want to look at the bad. I thought that, you know what I mean? At that point in time, I stopped chasing the truth. I was just gonna try and live and be happy. And I wasn't going to take drugs, though, and I wasn't going to talk about it and that was one of the things is he kept always trying to get me to talk about certain things I didn't want to. I was very shut down at that point in time. I had not processed my dad dying, I hadn't processed a lot of it and I was walking it off. And that's very difficult to do when people are chipping information. You know they're chipping at you and they just keep trying to poke you and you're like, look, I can't process this currently. Ultimately I think that was the end of it was like I'm not controllable, I've never been controllable. That was problem when I was kidding kid. Doesn't matter how much drugs they gave me, it didn't work. I mean they tried, they sedated the out of me. There's no reason for a five year old to have seven to eight pills shoved down their throat at a time. Absolutely unethical as hell. And for you know, medical doctors because I've had tricare my whole life and they refuse to give me my own access to my own medical records. That makes no sense whatsoever. I need those records so I can get those doctors names, so I can get, you know, all this stuff put together. Because I'm able to prove the damage that's happened to me long term due to my medical records. Now I suffer from overactive adrenal glands. My body's in a constant state of fight or flight. I have thyroid issues. Just because living through such a long, you know, drawn out time of this type of abuse, it rewires your compounds like your body structure so you literally think that those hormones are normal. So you don't produce the normal like serotonin and stuff. It's trauma bonding. It's living really. I feel like they did that stuff on purpose especially when I was a kid. They used the fear and they used the scaring as a way to, to kind of like, I guess tame or control me because I was scared of everything. If you want to be honest. I was really scared until like my mid 20s. Especially the paranormal aspect. It tormented me just because I did not understand it. And then they gaslit me and then just to find out, you know, just a couple years ago they worked for the CIA getting a paycheck for it. That was just downright like wow, wow, you guys really, you know, really, really messed with me. Now I have a photo of me at age 5 and in this photo some people say that the severed child said on the couch behind me, other people don't think that. I'm not going to say it is or it isn't because I don't know. I know what I think it is, but, you know, it's up to everybody else's interpretation. What I noticed about the photo was the three spirits that are standing beside around me in that photo. I really never even noticed that other aspect until I posted it on Reddit and everybody over there saw it and they were like, yo, see that in the corner? And I was like, well, no. What? And I zoom in and I saw it and I was like, oh, I can't unsee that. That looks like a child's head. Honestly, it was very disturbing. I have that posted on my TikTok and my Twitter. It's very graphic. There's a Native American woman to my left and then there's a full blown apparition of a man to my right. His head's above the doorknob and then directly to the right of him is a woman with kind of like long hair and she has glasses on. Don't know who they are. I know him. I've seen him a few different times. I remember the Indian lady. She looks scary. She look. She looks like, like one of those characters from the Grudge. But she wasn't scary in real life. The guy terrified me. I feel like she was just around because, you know, the land is Native American, it's really old, and you know, like, they just kind of like cut everything down and just built houses on top of it. So it kind of made sense on why she was there. But like, the guy, he just really creeped me out. And then having to deal with all this paranormal stuff and not understanding it and then having kids and then them growing up and then them dealing with the stuff, it really, that's when I opened up. Because, like, when I started, when I had my kids, I kind of like, I cut off everybody. I didn't, I didn't come back. I never went back and visited my adoptive family. I haven't seen them at all since my adopted father died. I refused to go back into that state. Not because I don't love them. I would love to see my adopted dad's side. I don't know how I could handle being in the same state with my adopted mother and my adopted stepmother without showing my ass and probably going to jail just because, you know, like, I've never even talked about what my stepmother did to me. She committed fraud. She did a lot of stuff. But she, she's not the biggest fish to Fry, like that woman when my dad died, used the will from when I was 5 years old to take my entire inheritance. She forged my adopted mother's signature to sell the house. Her boss helped her do it. And the only reason why he helped her do it is because they were sleeping with each other. And I know he threatened to sue me, but I didn't say your name, so you can kiss my ass. But you did sleep with my stepmom. I walked in on you. And that's the reason why you bought my stepmom a PT Cruiser and helped my dad buy a motorcycle. And I didn't respect my dad because I didn't understand why he didn't say anything. But I guess it was because he was terrified of what had happened to me, would happen to my little sister. And that's the only reason why I did not fight the will when my dad died was because my little sister had just turned nine years old, and she had just lost a father. And even though she doesn't know that that's not her real father, I will never let her. I'm not gonna. Not gonna tell her the whole truth. She can just continue to live off my inheritance and be fine. That's okay with me. It hurts. But at the same time, I just. I wanted to have her best chance. That was the hardest thing I think I ever had to walk off with that image in my head that I could just wait till she was 18 and we could just pick it up. And unfortunately, that's a really long time for her to be stuck in that pit. And, you know, she went through the abuse after I was no longer there to take the fun of it. And I didn't realize the extent of the damage that it had done to her to the point where she was trying to unalive herself. They locked her in her facility, she got pregnant. They controlled her baby. It was a really big nightmare situation for a long time. But now she's happy. Now she's. She has a good job, she has a good. You know, she seems to be really good. I, you know, love her from a distance, but I just don't want her to get her involved in this type of scenario. I think it's safer for her to just be oblivious to it. I don't think her dad would. 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[Nick Hunter]

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[John Daly / Narrator / Angela]

Yes. I would love to get more photos, if that's possible. That's one little thing. But I would like to. Ultimately, I'd like to sue the state of North Carolina for my sealed adoption file missing from vital records. I'd like for them to have to prove why it's not there. And then I would like to get justice for my father being handed a baby the day he became a grandmother, where they ultimately just, you know, I mean, I know my mom can't get an apology, but they could publicly apologize for it happening or maybe bring awareness to change it, because this is something that's continuing to happen. You know, these. There's children that are going missing. There are children that are being tortured. This is a really deep, disgusting rabbit hole to go down. But once you. You understand how big it is, you. I feel like you kind of have, like, a moral obligation to not turn

[Ryan]

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[John Daly / Narrator / Angela]

So, like, that's why I tell people, like, tread lightly. Don't start researching. Don't start digging if you don't have the emotional capacity to. To finish it, because it'll. It'll finish you. It'll. It'll really eat at you internally just because, you know, that little bubble that you always lived in is no longer there. That safety net of, you know, how the world really is. Is crushed. And I think that's the hardest part for people to grasp. So I would like to change the narrative. I'd like to have awareness. I'd like for it to be safe for people to talk about uncomfortable stuff. Even if they thought I was crazy, I would respect them. You know what I mean? Because, like, for one, even was crazy, which I'm not. I have an amazing therapist. But if I was. What if I was schizophrenic people, some of the things that they've said to me, I've been told to kill myself or I should die on my birthday like my mom did. Or did your mom even really die on your birthday? Like, people are cruel on the Internet. Like, even if you didn't believe me, saying things like that are why people want to lie themselves in the first place. So I would love to bring awareness to that stuff. You know, there's a difference between debating and calling people out and being, being an. Being sadistic, being part of the problem. So, you know, there's a lot of people on this, on these apps that I don't fully agree with, that I don't fully believe in, but you're never going to see me just bullying them for that. That's absolutely not okay. The only people you will ever see me getting attitudes with are the ones that are acting like that to others or the ones that think it's okay to be predators on the zap. I have no problem taking down at all. I will find any information I can. I will give it to the proper authorities. Unapologetic. That's, you know, I would just like to see transparency. I would like to get justice and maybe some answers just so that I can just understand my roots, just process it. Why? You know, I don't think I'm ever going to get a why it happened. I just want to know what all happened, who all was involved, and if these projects are stopped, I would like to know if they, that they're, they're done, that no more kids are being affected by it. And if they are being affected by it, I want those to be brought to the light and I want them to be, you know, taken down. I think that this needs to be full transparency all the way around the board. Politicians, doctors, teachers, you know, because, you know that big old bust in Ohio where they got all those officials that were, you know, involved in that human trafficking ring? Those are people that you trusted. That's where most of these individuals are, people that you would not think twice about. So, honestly, getting this stuff out here, getting these corruption, these corrupt politicians petitions out of their seat, you know, and a lot of people need to be going to jail. A lot of people need to be apologized to. And even if we don't get the apology, it's just, you know, getting that justice, making a difference so that other people don't have to go through this again. If that's all that I get is helping someone else so they don't have to live through that, I'll be okay. I'll be happy. But I think that people need to get comfortable with being uncomfortable in order to implement change. That's the best advice I can give to them is, you know, like, there are people that are really hurting right now that have gone through this stuff or having to walk it off. That's the biggest thing I think I've ever had to deal with is the expectations that my peers have had for me, expecting me to walk and talk and be normal or suck it up and walk it off or why can't you just move past it? You know, I get that all the time. And I'm like, you're not understanding. Like, this is something that I don't know anything else other than that I don't know how to let go. Like, if we're going to be honest. And I've done years of therapy. I write, I do art. I. I've done burn books. I've even wrote messages to the people that abused me. And of course, they left me unread, but I. I told them everything. I'm like. And I'm thankful I have everything. I have all those screenshots and everything. So it's all timestamps and dated. I really fought hard just for these people to apologize. I had never gone public. I'd have lived my life out. I'd have been quiet. You'd never know my name. But they wouldn't. They wouldn't say sorry. Nobody cared. They really. After my mom died on my birthday, everybody thought that it was endgame because, I mean, I spiraled for a little bit. That was really difficult to process getting, you know, finding out on Facebook that your mom had died on your birthday while you were at home, work, that really ate me up. The fact that they pulled the plug without my permission and I'm our only child, that really messed me up. But it also motivated me because my mom, she wanted justice, too. She was just too scared to face them. But she wrote a book before she passed. She did the 23andMe DNA test that Christmas as well. She also had a Twitter account, which I didn't know. So I'm trying to get access to that because I would love to know who she was following. She also had files on people that I don't know what they were, how they were involved in her story, but she had their criminal records, where they lived at. So I would like to know, you know, why she was looking into these people. People and where, you know, what role they play in. I'm still missing, like, 10 years of her life. I have no clue what she was doing or what she was running. Well, I know who she was running from. I don't know what she witnessed, you know, so there's still pieces of these chapters that I don't know all of it. And I would definitely like to learn more control over these abilities, you know, because, like, I've had success stories. Like, I found my mom through a dream, but I Also helped find a 13 year old that was kidnapped back in March. The FBI was involved, but they were treating it like a runaway case. She was groomed online by a 29 year old man from New York and she lived in Pennsylvania and he took her across state lines. The FBI was more involved with how I got his information than locating her. They took him almost eight hours to go and get her. They did find her where we said she was, but she was already assaulted by that point. She is alive, she's okay, but I feel like that was a huge fail. The fact that they didn't issue an Amber alert. They weren't even really actively searching for her. In fact they that I what, three, four states away. Just using his Xbox account name, his first name and the state he's from, was able to find him, realized that his actual address is four and a half hours away from where she was abducted. It's not logical for him to go there. So I started looking into his family members, anyone that had any criminal records. Came across an uncle that lived an hour and a half away. So I looked in, you know, Google Maps, you know, trying to pinpoint, you know, see if this was it. And it looked like a compound. And I say there's vehicles, cars, campers. It really looked like a sketch place and it was screaming at me. So I texted the FBI, the case workers and them I had his number. So I have all the screenshots from this whole interaction, which is funny, I let them take, you know, credit publicly, but I can prove that they didn't solve this in text. But that wasn't the goal. The goal was getting her and we found her. So she was the actual only surviving person that I've helped find. I did find three other missing people here in Harnett County. Unfortunately though, by the time we found them, they, they were already taken deceased. So it's kind of interesting to get some validation on this type of stuff. But at the same time I still don't know what I'm doing. This just comes. It hijacks my life, you know, and I would like to learn more control.

[Nick Hunter]

When did you start doing that?

[John Daly / Narrator / Angela]

Oh, since I was a little girl. I've been able to do that for a very long time. I just, I kind of shut it down for a little bit. Not really. I couldn't always shut it down. Sometimes you just do. But I was able to compartmentalize it for. For a long time. I saw I've only seen one us and that was August 2, 2011. 10:49pm in Warsaw, North Carolina. There are videos all over YouTube from like, Greensboro and Raleigh, where they saw it flying, but we saw it land. It did not crash. There was no explosion. It landed. I was in the middle of a cow field. Like we were literally playing like hide and seek, me and my cousin. Cow field's huge. This thing was huge, you know, And I didn't really believe in UFOs back then, even though I lived at right pat and I saw some things I could not explain. I always associated everything as paranormal. I don't know why. Maybe it was my, my brain's way of coping, but everything was paranormal to me. So seeing that with my own eyes, seeing it land and then, you know, we heard this humming noise. And then right after that we saw this orange, like glowy ball come close. It was zipping and zooming and then it zoomed off. It landed at a private airport in Warsaw, North Carolina. The military was in there within 30 minutes. They had already shut down the roads. There was no getting back in there. I assumed that it was military aircraft. The simple fact that it landed at an airport. Why would it land at an airport in the middle of nowhere? It's like 45 minutes either direction to a Walmart. There's nothing out there in Duplin county, you know, and I'm not the only person that saw it. But like, I just thought it was crazy, you know, to see that with my own eyes. That's not something that I, I'd ever ed or thought possible. Ghost spirits, that stuff, that doesn't faze me. But that creeped me out, especially the noise. The noise. I just can't. I don't understand it. It was a weird home. It was so weird.

[Nick Hunter]

Interesting stuff. What we do is if you give us your father's name again because we've got a lot of listeners which are veterans that are retired. Some. Maybe someone. Someone worked with your father at time and might have a little bit more information for you. Can you give us his name again and where he was located?

[John Daly / Narrator / Angela]

Sure. His name was Master Sergeant Stephen Maggard. He was at Fort Bragg, North Carolina. I know he used to teach terrorism classes with inscom, so a lot of people would remember him from that. He also, he did a lot of contract work too. And then my grandfather's name was Sanders Eugene Maggard. He went by Jean. And then my grandmother's name is Ann Elizabeth Jutman. D J U P M A N and she was a psychic remote viewer for the CIA. So if you look up her name, you'll see that she pops up on CIA.gov and you can read her non disclosure agreement.

[Nick Hunter]

Wonderful. So if anyone out there has any information at all reach out to me and I will pass it on to Angela and try and get you some few answers and hopefully in the future some closure.

[John Daly / Narrator / Angela]

I appreciate that. Thank you so much for having me.

[Nick Hunter]

Having me Angela. I really appreciate you coming on sharing all that for our listeners.

[John Daly / Narrator / Angela]

I really appreciate you giving me a space to talk about this stuff.

[Nick Hunter]

You're more than welcome. You enjoy the rest of your your week now okay And I will speak soon to you. All right. Take care for now.

[John Daly / Narrator / Angela]

You too. Good night.

[Nick Hunter]

Okay, good night. That is all for this episode. Keep updated and connected with the show on X, Facebook and Instagram. And if you have an encounter that you'd like to share on the podcast you can email [e-mail] or you can reach out to me via the contact page on my website ufocronicles podcast.com a big thank you to Ryan and Angela for sharing tonight and thank you all for listening. I will be back next week. Till then, stay safe and keep watching the skies. Goodbye. Foreign.

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