Ep.262 Hiding In The Clouds (Throwback)

Summary

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UFO Chronicles Podcast

Episode 262: Hiding In The Clouds (Throwback)

Release Date: July 28, 2026
Host: Nik Hunter
Main Guest: Deborah (from Moyie Springs, Idaho)

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Episode Overview

In this throwback episode, host Nik Hunter welcomes Deborah, who shares a series of first-hand UFO sightings and paranormal encounters spanning several years across Oregon, Washington, and Idaho. Deborah's narrative unfolds as a deeply personal and uninterrupted monologue, recounting not just the strange phenomena she witnessed but also the mysterious emotions and synchronicities tied to them.

While the focus is on her UFO sightings—including the classic "flying saucer," massive hovering crafts, "string of pearls" lights, and colored energy balls—Deborah’s account naturally weaves in related paranormal experiences and re-examination of certain events from her past, including childhood dreams and possible abduction phenomena.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Beginning: Life Before the Sightings (04:56–06:47)

• Deborah roots her first major sighting in 2016, reflecting that her life had been packed with responsibilities and distractions until then.
• She lived in Lebanon, Oregon, at the time, overwhelmed with family and educational commitments. Life only slowed after her final board exam.

"Once that board exam was over, it was like I was just kind of on my own little sabbatical. I could breathe a little bit." – Deborah (06:09)

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2. Sighting 1: The Classic Saucer in the Clouds (07:07–14:15)

• Location: Lebanon, Oregon, spring 2016.
• Deborah describes a peaceful morning: coffee, cigarette, the scent of spring blooms, and a deep relaxation.
• She observes a "classic flying saucer" emerging from a small, puffy cloud. It is gunmetal gray, with a "bubble" dome, no windows, and subtle rings.
• Memorable moment: She’s filled with both delight and disbelief, initially sure it must be a government craft, not alien.

"I thought it was just the funniest thing that I was seeing a flying saucer right then…I thought it was government craft." – Deborah (09:17)

• Despite this, a haunting sense of déjà vu and dread sets in. On her second look, she feels a powerful unseen presence and experiences intense fear:

"Just a feeling of really extreme fear came over me. And I remember thinking, Deb, just move slow. Act normal." – Deborah (13:38)

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3. Sighting 2: The Massive White Craft (14:34–31:35)

• Location: Between Tyler and Cheney, Washington, July 24, 2017.
• Deborah describes a crystal-clear, blissful morning—she notes an extraordinary sense of heightened perception and anticipatory joy.
• She becomes distracted by her cat and a field mouse, and when she looks back up, a gargantuan, silent, white craft looms before her.
• The craft’s size is incomprehensible—she compares it to thousands of planes stacked together.

"It was so big that I could feel my mouth fall open…That's the biggest airplane they've ever made." – Deborah (22:01)

• The object has no wings, windows, or tail. As she debates running for her phone, the craft undergoes a surreal transformation:

  • Flashes with a "sparkle off chrome."
  • Energy lines run along its ends, collapsing inward and making it vanish.
  • A "ball of light" remains, dives below the treeline, then streaks into the sky.

"These two bars of energy…slam together…there's no sound, but I can see they're just rushing at each other…now the craft is completely gone. As soon as they meet, they become a…ball of light." – Deborah (29:22)

• She is left awe-struck and aware that “no one is ever going to believe me.”

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4. Sighting 3–4: Orange-Red Balls & Mutual Witnessing (36:02–44:02)

• Location: Moyie Springs, Idaho; December 17, 2019 and January 1, 2020.
• Sat outdoors late at night and witnessed two (then later three) orange-red balls in the sky.
• Calls her daughter to witness; captures video footage.

"As we get out there, one of them begins to disappear…The other one remains, just rising up and dropping down—not going sideways…a weird energy ball…kind of pulsating." – Deborah (41:07)

• Both sightings are marked by a strange sense of “being observed” or a telepathic “hello” from the phenomena.

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5. Sighting 5+: The String of Pearls Phenomenon (44:11–51:39)

• Repeated observations of a luminous “string of pearls” crossing the sky—each time the event has a distinct emotional undertone.
• Initially suspected Starlink satellites, but synchronicities and differences in motion stoked her suspicion (e.g., strings appearing stationary, or lights vanishing one after another).

"My first thought is, this looks like a string of pearls…and as it's crossing…I'm just awed by it." – Deborah (44:44)

• Sometimes, all lights disappear simultaneously; other times, they vanish sequentially or the string hangs motionless.
• Reluctant to accept the “swamp gas” equivalent explanation given for Starlink, she remains unconvinced by mainstream explanations.

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6. Other Anomalous Experiences & Possible Abduction Signs (37:35–65:02)

• Physical anomalies: Daughter wakes up with mysterious hand-shaped bruises. Deborah herself finds deep, bead-like nodules under her skin (possible “implants”).
• Unexplained bright lights: Deb’s bedroom fully lit as if by moonlight, but brighter.
• Timing patterns: Notes a pattern of waking up at 3:03 or 3:33 a.m.—when she logged the dates, they frequently fell on the 7th of the month.
• Physical marks: After discussing her experiences with a friend in a three-letter government agency, she woke up with an “IV bruise” with two puncture marks on her right arm.

"I don't like the idea of anything…coming to my home in the middle of the night." – Deborah (64:25)

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7. Emotional/Telepathic Interplay with the Phenomena (56:03–71:52)

• Deborah repeatedly describes emotional reactions tied to sightings: delight, bliss, dread, and fear, sometimes sudden and overwhelming.
• Sometimes receives a sense of “contact”, other times a pronounced feeling of being watched or scanned.

"I have felt like I am being shown craft, obviously, and I think that…they're all really interesting.” – Deborah (70:02)

• She recounts a sighting in Cheney, Washington, where a bright light responded to her thoughts with what she interpreted as offense or irritation, seeming to lunge toward her.

"Instantly I was given this feeling of just complete irritation and don’t tell me what to do—and you don’t know bright—this thing just blew up in size and just rushed towards me." (54:02)

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8. Recurring Childhood Dream: Landscape and Drones (72:13–80:32)

• From earliest memory until about age 11, Deborah had a recurring dream: she is a young girl running across a rust-colored, barren landscape, dodging giant white rolling “spools” she later associates with Mars images and drone technologies.
• The dream always left her feeling sick with nausea reminiscent of radiation poisoning.

"I have to say that my dream looks exactly like the Martian landscape…all you need to do is add some paths and these giant white spools." – Deborah (77:43)

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9. Paranormal Encounters (81:04–92:22)

• Deborah details four main experiences with ghosts or entities:

  • Sobbing woman: Heard by herself and her sisters in their Idaho home; family lore of a tragic fire attached.
  • Woman in the house: Lived in a Montana home where a previous resident died; she and her sister witnessed a woman’s presence.
  • Man in Tennessee home: Heard determined footsteps; got the mental impression: "I am not leaving—this is my home."
  • Presence in Lebanon, Oregon: Felt a large, benevolent male presence in logging shirt, proud of the family gathering.

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10. On Personal Sensitivity & Intuition (92:27–93:06)

• Deborah notes a lifelong ability for "feeling people"—tuning into emotions, energies, and intentions—a trait that she feels is intertwined with her experiences, echoing patterns described by other guests.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On the appearance of the saucer:
  "It looked very, very similar to this UFO that was in the [McMinnville] picture…just came out from this little cloud and just stopped right there in front of me." (08:43)

• On emotional context:
  "There was just this feeling of bliss and expectation of something really wonderful…like I was getting ready to spend time with my family…everything wonderful in your life was just rolled into this giant ball of bliss." (17:57–20:14)

• On rationalizing the incomprehensible:
  "The only thing I could think was, that is the biggest airplane they have ever made…My mind froze there." (22:37–23:15)

• On retroactive realization:
  "As soon as it was finished, I was just like, no one is ever going to believe me." (31:35)

• Paranormal themes:
  "With the women, it's been women and their children. So, yeah, those are my paranormal experiences." (92:15)

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Timestamps for Key Experiences

• [04:56] Deborah's life before her sightings
• [08:35] First sighting: flying saucer in Oregon
• [13:02] Uncanny fear, sensation of presence
• [16:51] Second sighting: enormous craft in Washington
• [27:06] The craft vanishes into a ball of light
• [36:02] Third sighting: red-orange balls in Idaho
• [44:11] Fifth sighting: string of pearls phenomenon
• [54:02] Cheney, WA: UFO responds to her thoughts
• [72:28] Childhood recurring dream of Mars-like landscape
• [81:08] Paranormal experiences (ghostly woman, man, etc.)

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Flow & Tone

The episode is characterized by a gentle, reflective tone; Nik listens patiently, asking open and supportive questions, while Deborah unspools her story in long, uninterrupted segments, often looping back to add nuance and connect dots between seemingly unrelated events.

Her language is forthright, grounded, and sprinkled with wonderment—and at times, trepidation. The emotional and intuitive aspects of her experiences—states of bliss, overwhelming dread, uncanny knowing—form a recurring theme and help distinguish her account from “mere” UFO sightings.

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Takeaways

• Deborah’s narrative is a tapestry of detailed, multifaceted paranormal and UFO experiences, strongly interconnected with her emotional states and possible sensitivities.
• Her story underlines the breadth of UFO phenomena: from classic flying saucers and silent behemoths to luminous orbs and "string of pearls" events that defy simple technological explanations.
• She experiences synchronicities, waking patterns, physical anomalies, and indirect communication—suggesting a complex, deeply personal relationship with the phenomena.
• Paranormal elements (ghosts, dreams, intuitive insight) often overlap or echo the emotional imprint of her UFO experiences.
• Deborah’s ongoing self-examination, and the patterns she uncovers, leave her both intrigued and unsettled—but always curious.

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If you’re fascinated by personal accounts of UFOs and their connection to emotional, psychological, and paranormal phenomena, this episode offers a vivid, unguarded journey into one experiencer’s extraordinary world.

Transcript

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[A]

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Four calls on an unidentified flying object. All right, we'll check it out.

[D]

Welcome to UFO Chronicles, a place where people share their experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had an encounter and would like to be on the show, you can email [e-mail]. Hello, everyone, and welcome to the show. Here we are on the last day of 2023. What a year it's been. Well done to you all for making it this far. I wouldn't be expecting 2024 to be a walk in the park either. But in the words of Ralph Waldo Emerson, it's not the destination, it's the journey. I'm Nick Hunter, and this is the UFO Chronicles podcast. Our last guest of the year is Deborah in Idaho, and she will be sharing some of her UFO sightings and paranormal encounters that have happened over the last few years. Deborah is up next. But first, if you enjoy the show and you would like to help support the podcast on Patreon, you can do this for as little as always. $1 a month. Head on over to patreon.com ufocronicles podcast. You can also find a link in the description of this episode. Any help is very much appreciated. Now, on with the show. Hello, Debor. Welcome to the podcast.

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Hi, Nick.

[D]

It is wonderful to have you with us today. And you're calling from Idaho?

[F]

Yes, I am.

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Northern Idaho, right along the Canadian border and the Montana border.

[D]

Oh, lovely. So you're right up there on that small strip of Idaho?

[F]

Yes, Moyer Springs.

[D]

Okay. Now, Deborah, you come here to share your experiences. Would you like to start at the beginning, please, ma'?

[F]

Am?

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Yeah. Thank you for having me, Nick.

[F]

My experiences began in 2016. I think they began actually when I

[C]

was born or soon after. But nothing really coalesced for being until 2016. When I started, I had my first

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sighting of a craft.

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And then I just have continued to have that see different crafts through throughout

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the last seven years or so.

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Up until 2016, I was very busy raising my children. I was going to school. My sister was in medical school, and she had children at home that I was helping her with. Our husbands worked out of state. They were both did construction. And so we were just kind of on our own raising kids and going to school, and life was just a marathon at that point.

[F]

And by the time I got to

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2016, April of 2016, I had my last board exam and my nose had just been stuck in a book forever.

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And

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once that board exam was over, it was like I was just kind of on my own little sabbatical. I could breathe a little bit.

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I had removed some really big things from my plate that was just. Had become almost too much for. For me.

[C]

So it was kind of an odd time. It was. Everything was kind of settled down and slowed down, and we. I think I may have already said that we were living in Lebanon, Oregon, at the time. We had just moved there. We didn't intend to be there very long. We were kind of in between spots.

[F]

But we had been living in Oregon for a while.

[C]

We'd lived in McMinnville and also Salem. When I first had. When I had this first sighting in 2016, it was a daytime sighting. And I got up in the morning,

[F]

took care of my animals.

[C]

I began my morning routine, which was let my animals out that were going out and feeding the ones feeding everybody, making my coffee. And it was just kind of a regular morning like that. I had one daughter at home at the time, and she was up. She was on the phone visiting with a family member. And. And it was everything. My coffee was finished.

[F]

My chores were done.

[C]

And so I had picked up my coffee and was going outside in the back patio to smoke a cigarette and have my morning coffee.

[F]

And I sat down at the back.

[C]

It was a beautiful day in April.

[F]

The flowers were bloomed out, the trees were bloomed out.

[C]

There was a few little puppy clouds in the sky. And I was just very relaxed and

[F]

just happy not to be sticking any

[C]

more information into my head and. And really enjoying my time right then.

[F]

And as I'm sitting there looking up into the sky, there's this one little

[C]

puffy cloud that is just directly in front of me.

[F]

This.

[C]

I think I said that my board exam was in April, and this was

[F]

in April, but this was.

[C]

I'm not sure if this was at the end of April or in May. I don't have a date for this one. It was just very nice out at that time.

[F]

And as I'm looking up at the

[C]

sky, I see a flying saucer come out from this cloud.

[F]

And it looks like your classic little flying saucer.

[C]

There's a picture of one that was taken in McMinnville, Oregon, years and years ago. I don't have the date right now. I want to say it was 50s, but I could be wrong, 40s or 50s. And.

[F]

And it looked very, very similar to

[C]

this UFO that was in the picture and others that I've seen, but it just came out from this little cloud and just stopped right there in front of me.

[F]

When I saw it, I was just

[C]

really excited and delighted and I thought it was just the funniest thing that I was seeing a flying saucer right then. I remember sitting there and just kind of giggling and thinking how funny this

[F]

was and not believing that it was alien craft. As far as I was concerned.

[C]

What I was looking at was government craft and that I was just having some kind of funny little trick being played on me and the rest of the people that live there in that area.

[F]

Because I'm thinking, you know, other people are seeing this. It's not up that high, and it's

[C]

definitely a flying saucer. So I'm excited to see it. I think I have a funny response to it because I have no interest in going in the house and telling my daughter. I don't think about it.

[F]

I don't think about going and getting

[C]

my phone, taking a picture. I'm just simply enjoying my coffee and my cigarette and.

[F]

And enjoying looking at this flying saucer

[C]

that's setting up there in the air in front of me.

[F]

It's a really dark gray.

[C]

It's not black. It's like a gunmetal gray.

[F]

It has bubble on top of it

[C]

like the classic UFOs.

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The inverted screen bowl of the top part is slightly deeper than the bottom of it. The bottom of it is shallower. It has rings that look like it's going around the edges of it, but

[C]

that's the only markings on it that I can see.

[F]

These just look like little grooves that wrap around the edges of it.

[C]

Has the big bubble on top and there's no windows. I don't see anything looking out.

[F]

There's no movement, not going anywhere up or down, sideways, nothing. And so I finished my cigarette, my

[C]

coffee, and nothing has happened. It's still just sitting up there in the sky.

[F]

And I go back into the house.

[C]

I'm like, well, I don't know. I don't know why I didn't respond any differently to this thing or think about it any differently, but I go back inside and I start just doing a few more chores around the house.

[F]

I put some laundry away and I

[C]

don't tell my daughter anything about it.

[F]

I still don't go get my phone,

[C]

but I can't get this thing out of my mind.

[F]

And so approximately 30 or 40 minutes go by, maybe a little bit longer,

[C]

and I'm still thinking about this thing. So, like, well, I guess I can't get this thing out of my mind. And I've decided I'm going to go back out there and see if it's still out there.

[F]

So I go and get another cup

[C]

of coffee, get my cigarettes, I walk back outside, and as soon as I can get to where I can look and see if it's still there, I look. I haven't sat down yet, and it's not there any longer. Really disappointed, like, oh, I really should have come out sooner and check this out.

[F]

I'm already out there with my coffee again.

[C]

And so I sat down and I lighted a cigarette, looking up at this little puffy cloud. The same little puffy cloud is still there. It hasn't moved or gone anywhere. And as I'm watching it, the flying saucer comes back out of this cloud, and there it is in front of me again. And as soon as it does, I'm

[F]

just completely overwhelmed with this feeling of deja vu.

[C]

And it's really unsettling. It's like, wow, was this thing waiting for me? I don't know. It was very odd. And I didn't really have a whole lot of time to dwell on this feeling I was having that was a little bit spooky.

[F]

I almost immediately had a feeling that there was someone that was there with

[C]

me, very, very close, like, just in my face.

[F]

Just a feeling of really extreme fear came over me. And I remember thinking, deb, just move slow. Act normal.

[C]

Pretend like you don't feel anything that's going on.

[F]

The presence that you're feeling that's there.

[C]

And so I put my cigarette out

[F]

and I picked up my coffee and

[C]

I tried to walk as normally as possible back inside.

[F]

And I closed the sliding door and drew the drapes.

[C]

And I did not go back outside

[F]

to the back of the house again that day.

[C]

If I went back out at all, I. I went to the front. It was just this very strange, unsettling experience. I never told anyone about it. I didn't talk to any of my children about it, which typically, they hear

[F]

all strange things from me. But I just thought, no, they're never going to believe me.

[C]

They're just going to think, well, mom, mom thinks she saw a flying saucer. So that was my first experience. My second experience happened approximately a year later in an area between Cheney and Tyler, Washington. And we had moved there.

[F]

My daughter was accepted into the university there. I was trying to get closer to Idaho, where I'm from, and move in that direction.

[C]

So I was happy to move there.

[F]

We ended up renting a little place

[C]

between Tyler and Cheney, Washington, which Is

[F]

outside of Spokane, Washington. It was on a very large ranch, and there were three other places around me. Two behind me and one off to the right.

[C]

That was basically it. It was very much in the country and the close and accessible to the things that we needed. The Spokane International airport was maybe 20, 25 minutes away. There's an Air Force base that is not too terribly far away. That area, the country there where I had this sighting, is known as the Palouse.

[F]

It has kind of rolling hills that

[C]

go up and down, and most of it is planted with different crops that's raised there. And the rest of it, there's a lot of ranch land. And the area we were living was a ranch. And it was the place that the home I was in was sitting on

[F]

top of one of these rises of this rising hills.

[C]

And so it kind of gave a view of everything.

[F]

It dropped down in the front of

[C]

me where I would go out and sit in the mornings. There was a little porch and there was area of land that just kind of dropped down and was marshy. And then it would roll back up

[F]

into the other different parts of the out west where I could see there

[C]

was no other buildings around.

[F]

On the morning that I had this second sighting, it was.

[C]

It started off just like any of my other mornings there. I got up and I let my animals out and I walked outside.

[F]

And it was. It was just this really overwhelming day. It was like I walked into some different type of world.

[C]

Everything was just crystal clear, and the colors were just unbelievably vibrant, and everything was magnified. It felt like. It felt like all of my senses had been just turned up. If there was a dial, it was like it was turned all the way as far as it would go. And.

[F]

And I remember.

[C]

Remember thinking when I walked out there, wow, this is. This is a rare day. I felt this before.

[F]

I. It's something that I've felt maybe once, maybe twice in my life, but that's it.

[C]

I've had this feeling before. I've felt like this before.

[F]

There was just this feeling of bliss and expectation of something really wonderful.

[C]

Like I was getting ready to spend time with my family, do something fun. It was just overwhelming. And I had a tough time dragging myself back inside to do all of

[F]

my chores that I had to do that morning.

[C]

And some of the animals had gone out, and I made my coffee. Usually if I make my coffee, by the time I'm finished with all of my chores, my coffee is done, and then I can go outside and sit down and I kind of had the same thing going on this summer. We had moved, we'd had a number of things going on.

[F]

My daughter was away house sitting.

[C]

My other daughter was still at college in Oregon. And so I was home by myself and just relaxing. No longer in a marathon, but just some little sprints now. So when this morning rolled around, it was just a nice relaxing morning and I was really looking forward to just enjoying my day.

[F]

So I went back inside and I

[C]

started brushing around, doing my chores and my coffee was making. And because I had hurried through my chores so fast, my coffee wasn't done

[F]

when it by the time I got done. I remember remember mentally just trying to

[C]

hurry my coffee up so that I could go outside and have my coffee. Anyway, I. I went outside and my coffee was finally done. I went outside and I sat down on this little porch that faces directly west. And I'm just overwhelmed with the day. And I remember thinking, God, if every single day was like this, it would

[F]

be just heaven on earth. It was just so incredible.

[C]

There was such an overwhelming feeling of perfectness. And it was like everything wonderful in your life was just rolled into this

[F]

giant ball of bliss.

[C]

I can't really describe it. It was just such a big feeling. And I really didn't question it, except that it was something that I knew I had experienced before,

[F]

but it was very rare. And as I'm sitting outside facing west in beautiful, beautiful day, no clouds anywhere,

[C]

the sky is such a deep blue, I feel like I can look forever and ever up into the sky and just see for a long ways.

[F]

Everything is just perfect.

[C]

And as I'm sitting there enjoying this

[F]

day, a little field mouse runs out in the area in front of me.

[C]

And one of my cats goes after it. And I'm just distracted for a second. And I'm thinking, nothing can die today. This little fillmouth cannot be caught. And so I'm making sure that the little mouse is positioned in a way that he's not going to be caught. He goes under a wood pile. But I'm distracted at that point. And I'm not looking up sky, I'm not looking out guy in the countryside. I'm looking down at the cat, the mouse. And just in the few seconds that I'm distracted by, the mouse was all it took for this craft to show up. And when I looked up, there was this massively huge craft in front of me.

[F]

And it was so big that I could feel my mouth fall open and

[C]

I could feel my eyes just kind of pop out of my head.

[F]

It was so gigantic stretched off to the right.

[C]

And one end of it was directly in front of me, looking straight west.

[F]

But the rest of this thing stretched off to my right going north.

[C]

And I don't know how big it was. I. I've gone over this in my mind on the size, but the size was.

[F]

It was too much for my mind. The only thing I could think, and it sounds.

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It sounds odd, but the only thing I could think was that is the biggest airplane they have ever made.

[F]

And I was just stuck with that

[C]

thought in my head. I could not move anywhere beyond that

[F]

thought that my mind froze there. It was so big that you could. You could have taken very large passenger

[C]

jets and just stacked them in this

[F]

thing like match sticks. It would have held thousands and thousands of bits.

[C]

I don't know how something. I don't know how big something has

[F]

to be to do that, but it was very big.

[C]

And I could only see, like, I could see the other end of it peripherally out of my peripheral vision. But it was. It was big enough that I couldn't concentrate on the entire craft all at once. I had to kind of look at it in sections almost not. I could see the whole thing.

[F]

But the part that was the nearest to me, directly in front is what

[C]

psychic was really focusing on.

[F]

It did not have any wings or

[C]

tail fins, didn't have any markings. Windows. Remember staring at the cone part nose at the end of it and thinking,

[F]

that's where the pilot's supposed to be sitting. I should be able to see a pilot. This thing was gigantic.

[C]

And it took a long time for my mind to get to the point

[F]

where I could think about something besides

[C]

the size of it and where the pilot should be sitting. I had to just overcome the size first. And once I got to that, once I was able to comprehend the size of this thing, then I was able to start thinking about the fact that it wasn't moving. Because I hadn't noticed that yet.

[F]

My mind had not taken that part in.

[C]

It was like too much to begin with. And it wasn't moving.

[F]

It wasn't making any noise at all.

[C]

It was white. It looked like if you was to take two passenger airplanes and. And cut them in half and then just take the two noses and stick them together, make sure that there's no appendages anywhere, just this thing and make it really, really big. That's what it looked like.

[F]

No markings, no place for anyone to look out. Just this really, really giant, long thing in the sky.

[C]

And it wasn't up that high. It was just a little ways above the trees.

[F]

So anyway, I don't know how long I sat there just trying to take this, this thing in a while.

[C]

And then I started thinking, you know, I, I really need to get a picture of this.

[F]

I would like to get a picture of this. And because otherwise no one's going to believe me.

[C]

I didn't even know what I was looking at. I. I'm still kind of stuck in the airplane mode because I've never really. My mind hasn't been able to break through the ice that this is alien

[F]

craft I am still stuck with. This is the largest airplane they have ever made.

[C]

Even though it's not moving, it's not making any noise and it has nothing sticking out on it, and it's way too big for an airplane. But I'm thinking I need to go in and get my phone. But I know I can't go in and get my phone because it had shown up so quickly.

[F]

When I looked down at the mouse

[C]

and the cat, my attention was diverted

[F]

only for a few seconds.

[C]

And I knew that as soon as I turned my back on this thing

[F]

that there was a very good chance it was just going to be gone. I did not want to take that chance.

[C]

And so I just was like, I was settled in. Then it was like, okay, I'm not moving. I am not moving until I see this thing leave.

[F]

I am going to see this thing leave. Somehow it got here, it showed up. It's got to leave.

[C]

And as I'm having this thought, there

[F]

was a flash of light on the

[C]

very, very top and center of it.

[F]

And I'm thinking, oh, this is like,

[C]

like a sparkle off of chrome off of a car. I mean, that's what it looks like. But there's nothing moving.

[F]

The craft didn't move. The sun is coming up. It's about. By this time, it's maybe 10 o'

[C]

clock in the morning. And now everything that I'm going to tell you happened really, really fast. The first part of this story, it kind of is just a stretched out, weird story with how I felt and then this thing showing up.

[F]

But this second part, it happens very quickly. There was a flashlight on the top of it. And then as soon as there's the flash of light, the end of the

[C]

craft that's right directly in front of me develops this fuzzy energy line type thing along the end of it.

[F]

It runs from the top of the

[C]

craft to the bottom of the craft.

[F]

But as soon as it's made, this

[C]

fuzzy energy line starts rushing towards the center of the craft.

[F]

And the same thing is happening at the other end of this craft.

[C]

And there's two fuzzy bars of energy, like the heat wave you would see over the top of a highway.

[F]

It looks like some kind of an energy line.

[C]

And as these two bars of energy that's the same exact height of the craft and depth are rushing towards each other, the craft itself is disappearing.

[F]

As this fuzzy line pass over the craft, the craft is no longer there.

[C]

And my mind, it.

[F]

I did not know a mind could scream, but my mind just screams. It's shrinking itself. I. That's the only thing I could think.

[C]

It is shrinking itself.

[F]

These two bars of energy, they slam together.

[C]

There's no sound, but I can see that they're just rushing at each other at a tremendous speed right in the center of the craft, right?

[F]

For that flash of light had been at the top.

[C]

That's where these two bars of energy are going to meet. And they meet. And as they meet now, the craft is completely gone.

[F]

As soon as they meet, they become a.

[C]

A ball of light.

[F]

And now this ball of light is

[C]

sitting down lower because this craft was really big. So now this ball of light, it

[F]

looks to me like it's now below the tree line.

[C]

And it's big. It's. And it's further down.

[F]

Now I'm looking off to my right,

[C]

because when this craft shrunk itself, changed itself, I had to look in that direction as that fuzzy bar of light ran in that direction along the side of the craft that I'm looking at, I can see this ball of light down there. As soon as it becomes a ball of light, it takes off at a tremendous speed south.

[F]

It goes past me.

[C]

It goes a long ways, maybe a mile or two. I'm not sure. I'm not sure how far. I can see maybe a mile. It goes for a long ways, and then it just shoots straight into the air. And this is such an amazing day. It's like I said, everything is magnified. The sky is just this deep, deep blue, and this ball of light just shoots straight up into the sky. And I can see it for a long time. At this point, I'm standing up on the porch, and I'm looking up the

[F]

sky, and it's just a teeny, tiny pinprick of light up there.

[C]

And then it's gone. And that was my second experience. And as soon as it was finished, I was just like, no one is

[F]

ever going to believe me. They will never believe me.

[C]

That was just too much.

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[C]

Then I moved again. This time I moved to where I'm at right now. I moved to Moy Springs. I was here for I moved here at the end of 2018, and it was the end of 2019. So nearly two years went by.

[F]

Approximately two years before I had my third sighting. My third sighting was here at Moyer Springs on this December 17th of 2019. The last sighting I just spoke of was July 24th of 2017.

[C]

That second sighting I just spoke of. One of the things I forgot to mention is soon after that sighting took

[F]

place, I told myself I have to

[C]

get a picture of an airplane or

[F]

something right there where I saw that. I wanted to know exactly where I saw that craft stationed in the sky at that time.

[C]

And I figured the only thing I could do to kind of keep that firm in my mind was to take a picture of an airplane there. And because the Air Force base and the airport was so close, I figured it would be simple enough to do that. And it took a little bit of time, maybe an hour, hour, hour. So I took picture of a jet airplane that was right there.

[F]

And it was really disturbing to look

[C]

at that picture after I took it

[F]

because it was so tiny. It was like looking at just a teeny, tiny Little thing compared to what

[C]

I had been looking at.

[F]

It was unsettling.

[C]

I had two other things that happened there at that place before I move

[F]

on to where I'm at now in Idaho.

[C]

My oldest daughter woke up at one point in the morning and she came out and she said, mom, look at my stomach.

[F]

And on her stomach and just up

[C]

over the edge of her rib cage

[F]

was a full hand print that was a bruise.

[C]

Like if I was to put my hand and just set my hand on her, it was like if you was

[F]

to leave an entire handprint on her.

[C]

Very odd. I didn't like it that I didn't really want to say anything. I definitely did not want to mention

[F]

aliens, non terrestrial beings or anything like that. Really get her freak out. So I just kind of.

[C]

We just blew it off as she hurt herself in the middle of the night. Is one of the stories we can tell ourselves, I guess.

[F]

But at that time that's what we were going with.

[C]

Another night there. I woke up in the middle of the night and my room was fully lit. It was. There was some kind of a light outside.

[F]

I'm thinking, is this the moon?

[C]

Because this is like about the brightest

[F]

I've ever seen my room.

[C]

And I was a little freaked out and spooked and I refused to get out of bed and look. So kind of buried myself back in there and went back to sleep.

[F]

But that was a weird feeling.

[C]

And the room was way too bright

[F]

to be like even a full moon.

[C]

It was just very, very bright. And the wind, the curtains were drawn. So anyway, I get moved to Moyer Springs and I'm. I'm now living there. It is December of 2019 and I'm taking my dog out just before I go to bed and I go outside. And by this time I've been doing some research on.

[F]

On UFOs and I've come across your show and. And I'm thinking about talking to you

[C]

about this second experience that I've had because it was.

[F]

It just upended everything that I believed about this stuff. I mean, I had kind of believed about that there was something probably, but

[C]

I had not given it a whole lot of thought.

[F]

Anyway, when I went out, I had

[C]

been listening to a little more information on it and was doing some research

[F]

and not really expecting to see anything else.

[C]

And I went outside, walked towards the front of where I'm living and up

[F]

in the sky were two red orange balls just floating up there.

[C]

And I got the oddest sense of like, hey, guess what? We're here too. And I was so shocked this time I did not even hesitate. My phone was in the house.

[F]

It was plugged in that I'm like, nope, I'm getting in my phone.

[C]

This is too much. I'm going to get a picture of there. So I went running back in the house, yelled at my daughter. She happened to be home, my youngest daughter. And I said, go outside and look in the sky.

[F]

I didn't want to tell her what

[C]

to look for because I was afraid she'd be like, oh, Mom. So I went and grabbed my phone. She ran outside, and there's these two red orange balls floating up and down. As we get out there, one of them begins to disappear, and it just completely disappears.

[F]

The other one remains, and it's just kind of rising up and then dropping down. It's not going sideways.

[C]

And it looks like a weird energy ball.

[F]

It's kind of pulsating.

[C]

And so I start videotaping. And my daughter, she's like, oh, mom, can. She goes, it's cold. Can I go inside? And it is cold. It's wintertime, and there's no on the ground. She really doesn't want to stand out there and look at this red orange

[F]

ball in the sky. And so I'm like, yes, go ahead, dear.

[C]

Go ahead and go inside. I. I know you don't want to be out here. And I just continued to videotape a little bit.

[F]

I tried to. It was really hard to try to

[C]

get a good, clear picture. And I tried to, like, zoom in

[F]

slowly and get things as clear as possible.

[C]

And I did take a couple of videotapes and I finished, and. And when I went in the house,

[F]

that red orange ball was still floating

[C]

up and down in the sky. And I didn't go back out to check and see if it was still there or not. It was kind of interesting, the responses that we.

[F]

That I had to this stuff. However, it makes me wonder why even

[C]

I've had some apathy to it.

[F]

But my thought was, after seeing this, was, I have got contact, Nick. Because this stuff is just.

[C]

These things are really starting to pile up on me.

[F]

And I was shocked to have this

[C]

third sighting approximately two weeks later.

[F]

Fifteen minutes after midnight on 2020. My daughter and I had stayed up to welcome in the new year, and she had gone to bed.

[C]

I was taking my dog out one more time where I went to bed. There was still a couple of fireworks going off.

[F]

And I look over towards this mountain

[C]

range that a part of the Rocky Mountains here that I can see facing

[F]

south and Hanging over the top of

[C]

this mountain range are three red orange

[F]

balls, just like what I had seen two weeks prior on the 17th of December. And so I go back inside and

[C]

once again I get the same feeling of, hey, we're here observing, just checking out the place. And I go outside and I start videotaping. One of them disappears, another one is

[F]

there for a while and then pretty soon there's just two of them are visible for a while, but then one

[C]

of the second one becomes dimmer and lower and then there's just the one remaining up there, but it stays there. And I do videotape for a bit and I try to get the best picture I can, but it is difficult.

[F]

But you can still see it there. And then that is my four sighting. My fifth sighting is kind of interesting

[C]

because I this was my fifth sighting, but since I've seen it, I've now seen it three other times and I've

[F]

taken pictures each time.

[C]

This happened May of 2020, maybe sometime after the red orange balls. I have a picture. So I. It's timestamped, but I don't have it in front of me right now. Anyway, I walked outside once again, it was in the evening. And here, coming towards me from the west is this ring of light that is just absolutely beautiful. And my first thought is, this looks like a spring of pearls. And it's just incredible.

[F]

And I'm just awed by it. And as it's crossing over the top

[C]

of me, I'm trying to run in and get my camera, but I had just plugged my phone in, it was almost dead. And this thing now has passed over the top of my home. So I'm running out the other side

[F]

and I finally get just one quick picture of it before it's gone.

[C]

And I'm just amazed at what I'm seeing.

[F]

I can't believe I've seen seeing a fifth raft after all of this. So I go inside and I start

[C]

looking up string of pearls, because that's what I. I just saw.

[F]

Now, the oddest thing with all of

[C]

these sightings that I've had experiences is

[F]

they all seem to come with some type of an emotional response. And then there's all kinds of synchronicities

[C]

that come along with it. And so I looked up this string of pearls and it's like supposedly starling, like, okay, well, I was a little bit disappointed, but not really buying it completely because of how I felt whenever I saw this thing. It was just so incredibly beautiful. And it wasn't just not long after that, I was listening to James from

[F]

the Estadi Ranch talk about Starlink and

[C]

he made the comment that Starlink was the new swamp gaff for today. And I thought, well, that that's interesting and maybe makes a little sense. Maybe Starlink was made to contradict these.

[F]

Contradict these rumors. Well, I guess they're not rumors because people are seeing starling or rings of

[C]

pearls all over the place.

[F]

But I think, I think it's possibility that maybe these rings of pearls is something that the government couldn't hide, knew

[C]

that they couldn't hide.

[F]

Maybe Starlink was developed so that there

[C]

was an excuse to have these big strings of lights all over the sky.

[F]

I don't know.

[C]

Either way, I had another weird experience.

[F]

Well, exactly a year to the day

[C]

and one day later and I was on the phone with my oldest son

[F]

and we were having a really good

[C]

discussion about this sort of thing. And I don't know if I was

[F]

still on the phone with him or if I had gotten off the phone

[C]

at that point, but I was still

[F]

thinking about this subject. And I pulled up my photo of the string of pearls and I'm looking

[C]

at it and I look at the date on it and I'm like, oh, oh my goodness.

[F]

This was like exactly one year and

[C]

one day to right now.

[F]

And so I go to my window and I look out my window and there is the string of pearls sitting in the sky. And I take a picture. It's just getting ready to disappear over the eastern horizon. I take a picture and I have that photo. My field experience with the string of pearls happened in September of this year.

[C]

I'm going to skip around a little bit because I'm going to stick with

[F]

just this particular graph.

[C]

And for now, and I walk outside once again, I am on the phone with my oldest son and we're visiting. Not about, not about this sort of thing, I don't think, but we're just visiting and having a good conversation. And I walk out onto my front porch.

[F]

I look up, not even up up because my porch is elevated a little bit.

[C]

And so I just have a really nice view. And Moye is.

[F]

There's not a whole lot of light pollution up here.

[C]

And as soon as I walk out,

[F]

there is this beautiful string of pearls.

[C]

And it is, it's just there.

[F]

It is not moving at all. It's not going anywhere.

[C]

And I'm just shocked. It's like, okay, there's supposed to be a satellite right now. I don't know anything about satellites.

[F]

Maybe they can make Them stationary, I, I don't know, but this thing is not moving.

[C]

And it, I, I tell my son, I'm like, hold on, there's, there's something I've got to get a picture of. And, and he's humoring me, he's like, okay, go ahead mom, go get your phone.

[F]

And so I go inside and I grab my phone because I have headphones in and it's. As soon as I grab it, I open it up to the camera because

[C]

I'm thinking I'm not going to get a picture. It's going to be already passed all the way over the house and gone

[F]

by the time I get out there.

[C]

When I get out there, my hand is still kind of moving when I take the picture.

[F]

So it's not the greatest, but it's still there. I take one picture, I look down

[C]

at my phone and I look up and it's gone.

[F]

And I'm thinking, this doesn't seem like how a satellite should be acting.

[C]

But I don't know enough about this. I saw this one more time and that was just this past month in my Boise, Idaho. It was actually at my parents house in Luzer, Idaho. I happened to go out to my car.

[F]

This happened at like 7 o'clock in the evening. Where I'm at now was Pacific time.

[C]

So it had been 8 o' clock here in Moye. But I walked outside to my car and coming over the horizon is this just unbelievable string of pearls again. And so I go in the house, I have my phone, I go in the house and I tell my mom

[F]

and dad and brother are all in there. And I tell my mom, my brother, you should come out and take a look at this. I think you'll find it fascinating.

[C]

And I don't want to say too much to my parents that like gets them excited because my dad's been having some heart issues and same with my mom. And so they're both in their early to mid-80s.

[F]

Anyway, so my brother comes out and he immediately starts recording. He's just fascinated.

[C]

And my parents come out, my mom just sees the tail end of it.

[F]

And my dad, he says, he says, wow, I've never seen anything like that.

[C]

And this time they reacted completely different

[F]

than all of the other times.

[C]

The first time it passed from horizon to horizon. The second time it was just on the horizon and I got a quick picture.

[F]

The third time when it did disappeared,

[C]

it was instantly every single light in that string of pearls disappeared at once.

[F]

This time what happened was as this

[C]

string of pearls came up and reached the apex of the sky.

[F]

Each one of them would go to

[C]

the same spot and just disappear one after the other.

[F]

So those are my sightings of the string of pearls. I have some other sightings that are kind of odd.

[C]

There's a photo out. I took a screenshot of it.

[F]

I'm.

[C]

It's something that was happened in I think Las Vegas. There was a reaction to it. It looked like a giant bubble. I'm not exactly sure if who was

[F]

supposedly launching it, but it looks like a big bubble. But what I saw was hot pink

[C]

and it was out here in the front.

[F]

And once again I was on the

[C]

phone with my oldest son and I was standing outside. It was summertime. I don't have a picture of this.

[F]

It happens very fast. But there was just suddenly this, this

[C]

giant hot pink bubble that went by in front of me. And I can mention one other sighting that happened. There's been a few other things too. But there's another one that happened in Cheney. And aside from the first one I

[F]

had of the flying saucer that spooked

[C]

me, this one also scared me and

[F]

it was a little bit different. So I'm in Cheney, my daughter is living there and my son in law

[C]

and she's finishing school.

[F]

They have an apartment there. They're no longer living there, but she's

[C]

finishing school school and, and I'm spending a night with them. They have a deck on the back

[F]

where they live and it's a two

[C]

story place so it's elevated and I have a really nice view.

[F]

I'm looking out over just kind of

[C]

an, an edge of Cheney and I see this really bright light and it's way, way too low to be a star. And I'm thinking, well, I don't think it's an airplane. It's not blinking that I'm really observing it and it just seems very, very odd because it's too low to be a star and it's really, really big and bright.

[F]

And so I'm watching it and, and for some reason I typically don't think

[C]

out towards these things, but this one I did because they just kept getting

[F]

brighter and brighter and finally I thought out towards it.

[C]

Wow, you might want to tone it down a bit there, bubba. You're.

[F]

Somebody's going to notice you, you're so bright.

[C]

And instantly I was given this feeling of just complete irritation and don't tell me what to do and you don't know bright.

[F]

This thing just blew up in size and just rushed towards me. It became blue Kind of an odd blue, but not really a turquoise blue, but blue.

[C]

And it just exploded towards me and

[F]

I flew out of my chair, got

[C]

to the front door, I had to go around the apartment and I got

[F]

to the front and tried to walk as normally as possible into the house

[C]

without alerting my, the kids to the fact that something had been going on.

[F]

So anyway, that's Nick. That is pretty much my, my sightings.

[D]

Wow, interesting stuff.

[F]

Yeah, they've, they've been interesting.

[D]

You know, this has happened quite regularly over the last few years.

[C]

It did. I had never had anything like this happen in my life. And it was like the minute I

[F]

slowed down and took a breath and

[C]

looked up because my nose had been buried in a book for years. I had been a mother and a wife at home, then decided to go back to school. Everything was just really a grind. And when I got to 2016, there had been a few things that were a lot better.

[F]

I had gotten rid of the school business, things were going better for my

[C]

kids, my marriage was on the rocks

[F]

and we're divorced now. But you know, I was dealing.

[C]

Some of the things that I had been dealing with were better at that point.

[F]

But when things started in 2016, I

[C]

have had just one sighting after another.

[F]

I have no idea why, but I

[C]

just keep seeing them.

[D]

Was there anything in your past that really stands out?

[C]

I have a number of things that happened to me in my past and I never really examined any of those

[F]

things until to this point.

[C]

And then it's like, wow, you know, some of this stuff makes a whole lot more sense than what I'm looking at. Right.

[F]

Or what I was originally looking at because I didn't purpose that I didn't

[C]

believe in UFOs, I was raised as a Christian and that my thoughts of God is that God is love and God is life.

[F]

That's what God is, is life.

[C]

And to me it wouldn't, it would only seemed common sense that he would

[F]

just like stuck the universe with life.

[C]

So the fact that there might be non terrestrial life wasn't something that I really dwelled on. But I thought that there was a very good chance that there was.

[F]

And I, I did have some odd things happen as I became growing up.

[C]

I had times like so many of you guessed where all of my blankets

[F]

would be in the floor or I

[C]

would be upside down in my bed.

[F]

One night when I was like about 16 years old, we had this full

[C]

size bed and it, whatever reason, I don't know if it was a homemade one or what it was a wooden bed, but it was set low to the ground compared to a lot of the beds that you see especially nowadays.

[F]

I don't know, it was very low to the ground. I woke up in the middle of

[C]

the night and I was stuffed beneath this bed.

[F]

There was absolutely no way that I could have wiggled myself under this bed without waking up because I was fully jammed under there and it was pressing down on me. How I got underneath that bed, I have no idea.

[C]

Things like that. What's interesting is when I first moved

[F]

to Oregon, I had discovered these little tiny babies underneath my skin while I

[C]

was living there at McMinnville. And I don't even know why I

[F]

was pressing around on that side of

[C]

my leg, but it was almost like consciously I knew that there was something there and it felt like a little

[F]

tiny bb, but it was pretty deep down in the muscle pull up my leg. And at another point while living in

[C]

Salem, I found another one there. So I had a couple of them. And, and I kept. My thought was that maybe I had a tumor and I was dying because

[F]

I did not think about implants.

[C]

And it really bothered me to touch them. I did not want to touch them. And so I pretty much ignored that

[F]

those things happen prior to my sighting. So there was some things in my past that definitely could indicate something was going on. And then also some bruising and some things that your other guests have talked about, like gabbing.

[C]

That looks like three little triangles.

[F]

You had a guest on at one

[C]

point that said, we know something.

[F]

Typically we know something even if we think we don't know anything. And so I thought one day after

[C]

I listened to that show, I thought,

[F]

you know, do I? What do I know? And the only thing I could think of that I knew was that I

[C]

was waking up at 3:03 or 3:33 in the morning. And. And so I started writing down.

[F]

I had not kept track of any of the dates. I started just writing down the dates and I. I didn't tell anyone what I was doing.

[C]

It was like, you know what? I'm not even going to speak this out loud. I'm just going to write it down

[F]

and keep track of it.

[C]

And over the next few months, I kept track of it for not quite a year, probably about a nine month period.

[F]

And when I went back and looked

[C]

one day, because I'd kind of written things down all over in this notebook,

[F]

I went back and looked and my

[C]

date dates were all of the seventh of the month. And I thought, oh, so yeah, this is, this is Kind of weird. Maybe I, maybe I do know something. And, and then situations waking up with large bruises.

[F]

Like I have a picture that I took of just this really big bruise on my leg.

[C]

And once again it was on the 7th of July. I think I do want to mention one thing that is kind of odd.

[F]

So I do have some people I

[C]

can kind of talk to this about. I haven't really gone way, way in

[F]

depth with, especially the emotional parts of

[C]

it, like the feelings I'm getting from

[F]

these crafts or these experiences.

[C]

Almost like the communication. I haven't really gone into that. Sometimes I think it's easier for people to accept maybe something solid that they

[F]

can look at rather than somebody talking about their feelings. Anyway, I was talking to somebody that

[C]

is very, very close to me about

[F]

the sighting, the second sighting I had.

[C]

And I haven't talked to anybody about this.

[F]

I mean, I kind of mentioned it to my kids that like my daughters, they felt like a kind of a

[C]

look of fear in their eyes. And I, I don't know if that was just because I was talking about aliens or, you know, they're all sort of concerns for their, their mother's mind, I don't know. But I didn't want to scare my kids.

[F]

And so I try to just discuss

[C]

this with people who are a little bit more open to it and this

[F]

person is much more open to these things.

[C]

And we have just some really enjoyable

[F]

conversations like I do with my older son. And not that I don't have great

[C]

conversations with all my kids, but I

[F]

typically don't discuss aliens a huge amount

[C]

with my girls, but my boys are more open. And then I do have a couple

[F]

of friends that I can discuss these

[C]

things with, one more so than the other. But either way, this day I was having a discussion with one of those friends and it was the day before the 4th of July. So this took place on the 3rd of July. And this person is a member of one of the three letter agencies here in America.

[F]

And they have some fairly high level clearance. And I just kind of assumed that

[C]

anytime I'm visiting or hanging out with

[F]

this person that, that were probably being observed and listened to and not because

[C]

of me, but because of high security

[F]

work that he does and what he's involved in. And so I just take that for granted.

[C]

But as far as talking about UFOs

[F]

or anything like that, I, I've never curbed myself.

[C]

And so anyway, I had this discussion with him about this and we had a really good discussion about it. And I, I told him most of my story. But I really didn't go into the

[F]

emotional part of it.

[C]

Like I. I'm not really sure how much I did today, but I did not really get into that. I might have touched on a little bit. And I didn't spend as much time

[F]

on the sighting itself and the experience itself.

[C]

I was a little more dense. But either way, the next morning when I got up at some point in the morning, I was outside and I looked down at my arm and on my right arm I have.

[F]

I had what looked like an IV bruise.

[C]

And I haven't spent a lot of time at the hospital, but I have been there when I had my babies and it looked exactly like an IV bruise with a little bit of scabbing and a couple of puncture marks. So anyway, I just thought that was the strange thing. Just think.

[F]

I didn't like it. It.

[C]

I don't like the idea of anything

[F]

or anyone coming to my home in

[C]

the middle of the night.

[F]

So yeah, that was a little bit spooky. It was like, wow, this is. I don't know what to make of this.

[C]

I don't know if I've really even talked to this person about that.

[F]

I do plan on bringing it up

[C]

just to see what his thoughts on it are.

[F]

I don't know what he'll say, but

[C]

I just thought it was very odd that I had this conversation. And then the next morning I wake up and I have got a bruise on the inside of my right arm

[F]

that looks like an IV bruise with marks in it. I did take a picture, so I

[C]

have a picture of that also.

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[D]

Interesting that you seem to have like a emotional connection to all your sightings. You have different mixed feelings and emotions that come with it. These aren't just lights in the sky that you have seen.

[F]

Yes, they've all been kind of odd

[C]

that the first one, the saucer, for

[F]

whatever reason, it scared me. It was that feeling that someone was right there.

[C]

I, I went from, okay, I'm having deja vu, to somebody is right there with me. They're staring at me, they're looking at me, they're close. And I don't know why that spooked me so bad, but it really did. And I really don't know what to make of that first sighting. I, it's like, okay, I seeing a flying saucer.

[F]

I have no idea why I saw it.

[C]

I don't know what it means.

[F]

I don't know, I don't know what

[C]

any of it means, but I have felt like I am being shown craft,

[F]

obviously, and I think that, well, they're all really interesting.

[C]

That second sighting, that feeling that, that I had experienced, that sense of bliss before, that I had felt that before,

[F]

but I have no memory of ever seeing any kind of a craft.

[C]

So that part of it was way out of the blue. I've never seen red orange balls, but I think it's interesting that, that I got the sense of, hello, and we're

[F]

here and we're just hanging out and observing. And then with the, the string of

[C]

pearls, the starling, there's four different experiences

[F]

right there and all four of them are completely different. It would been one thing if I

[C]

had saw it all four times. And I saw it in exactly the

[F]

same manner, moving across the sky, not ever stationary, not ever, just completely disappearing,

[C]

not disappearing one light at a time. And then of course, the one I had in Cheney where the craft just

[F]

felt really irritated and it just felt, felt. It felt like the bully. It felt like a bully. And it's like, well, and I've given

[C]

that some thought too, because we're hearing stuff about higher frequencies and, you know, all of this, you know, that didn't feel real high frequency to me. And so I think that just because

[F]

something has a little more power, a Little more knowledge. It doesn't necessarily make it a step above me or you or anyone else.

[C]

I think that a lot of that's

[F]

determined by how we treat each other and other beings. So anyway.

[D]

Now, aside from these sightings, do you ever recall any experiences of the paranormal kind? But whether it's more present day or when you're a child?

[F]

I have had paranormal experience experiences.

[C]

And I have one reoccurring dream that I had from my.

[F]

My earliest memory. I'll tell you about my reoccurring dream first, if you like, and then tell

[C]

you about my paranormal experiences.

[F]

My reoccurring dream ties in just a

[C]

little bit more with.

[F]

With the sightings that I've had, I think, and with everything that's gone on in the past.

[C]

I started having this dream when I was. Well, I've had it as far back

[F]

as I can remember. I stopped having it when I was about 11 years old. So when I was a baby, even

[C]

being put down for a nap, a lot of times I would have this dream.

[F]

And I hated having the dream.

[C]

It was scary, it was unsettling.

[F]

And I always woke up sick from this dream. In my dream I am on some kind of a.

[C]

Some kind of a landscape where I'm just jogging and running along.

[F]

Everything is rusty colored brown. The rocks are brownish reddish gray, the

[C]

dirt the same color. The sky is the same color, a little bit lighter, but everything is the same color. Just kind of a rust color.

[F]

And there is no vegetation, no life, any kind anywhere. There's only rubble and rocks and dirt.

[C]

And in my dream I am running. I don't know what direction I'm running, but off to my left is a. Is more heels.

[F]

I'm on the side of a hill

[C]

and they're rising up and it rises up. There's for the back of mountains that

[F]

the mountains look exactly like the land

[C]

I'm on right now.

[F]

Just this rusty reddish brown gray dirt and rocks.

[C]

And off to the right of me

[F]

going down the hill is the same thing. Everything looks exactly the same.

[C]

It's just rubble. And all of the country, all of the land is got these little tiny narrow paths running on them that are about the width of a railroad track. And these paths have just been ground

[F]

into a really fine talcum powder like dust.

[C]

And in my dream I'm always exactly the same age. I'm about maybe 6 years old.

[F]

I have on what feels like cotton top and bottom and they're white.

[C]

I have on like white cotton shorts

[F]

that come to just above my knees.

[C]

I have On a white cotton T shirt.

[F]

But because of all of the dust, I am all dusty and dirty too.

[C]

I. I can see that it's white

[F]

and should have been white, but I'm,

[C]

I'm dirty and in my dream I'm always jogging or moving at the very

[F]

least and looking around.

[C]

In my dream, the only thing that

[F]

is in my dream besides myself are these giant white spools.

[C]

And that's what I call them, is spools. Because I think that's the only thing in my baby mind that I maybe could have seen at some point that I could identify these things with like

[F]

a spool of thread laid on its side and rolling.

[C]

That's what these things look like. Only they were the size or as

[F]

tall as like a Mac truck. They were very, very tall.

[C]

But they were skinny enough to roll down these paths.

[F]

And these spools were all over the place.

[C]

I could see them behind me and in front of me.

[F]

I could see them down further down

[C]

the landscape, up going up towards the mountains. They never went fast and they never went slow. They all looked like they were moving exactly the same speed, just rolling methodically along. They never ever stopped rolling. And I didn't know what they were. They were just very, very scary.

[F]

Probably about the worst thing about this screen that I really disliked the most

[C]

with how I would feel when I would wake up from it. And from the very, very beginning when I was really small. I think I can probably remember having the dream back the ages at least two. And I remember having the dream taking naps in the car, wherever. I mean, I had the dream a lot and any time I woke up

[F]

from having this dream, I would be

[C]

really sick, my stomach very, very nauseous. And I would be that way all day long.

[F]

As the day would wear on, the feeling of being nauseous would slowly wear off. And then by the time I went

[C]

to bed that night, it would be almost gone. And the next morning it would be gone. But yeah, so fast forward to today and I'm digging through all of this

[F]

information on aliens and UFOs and going

[C]

down all these different rabbit holes. And plus we're getting all of these

[F]

pictures back from NASA of the Martian landscape. And I have to say that my dream looks exactly like the Martian landscape. All you need to do is add some paths and these giant white spools. So I got to thinking the other

[C]

day, like I said, I haven't given this a lot of thought, but now with all of this happening in my life, I re examined things and I Came across, well, somebody made a comment

[F]

about spiders on Mars. And I started to think about fools and fools and spiders. And I decided to look up drones and I found rolling spider drones. And they look exactly like what was

[C]

rolling around in my dream.

[F]

I don't know exactly what that center fool that the part that connected the two wheels. I was always pretty far away from

[C]

these things in my dreams. Every once in a while, somehow one of them would manage to get close to me. I don't know how they would get close, but I was a little girl

[F]

and I don't know, maybe I would

[C]

be sidetracked or something, but either way, occasionally one of those things would get

[F]

closer than what I would normally allow

[C]

and it would just be very big. But when I saw these rolling spider drones, I'm thinking, I think that's what

[F]

was in my dream was, was drones.

[C]

That's the only thing that I can make sense of anyway. I mean, that's what they look like.

[F]

They look the same.

[C]

They were white and the wheels look the same. They just look very, very big. And they seem to be doing their thing. And they were.

[F]

They would have got me.

[C]

I think if they could have got me, they would have killed me.

[F]

And I don't know, maybe that's how

[C]

this little person died out there. The other thing I came across while doing just digging for information on all of this is some of the physicists

[F]

or physicists that believe that Mars has a nuclear signature that can only be found when there has been a nuclear device set off.

[C]

And I just find it interesting that I have this dream. I'm not someone that really believes in reincarnation, but there's been a ton of stories and a lot of interesting stuff out there. I just find it interesting that it

[F]

compares to the Martian landscape. There's the drones, and then there's this

[C]

feeling of being so sick afterwards, which

[F]

can definitely be attributed to radiation poisoning. As far as my paranormal experiences go, I have had situation like been talked

[C]

about with like the shadow figures. And I did experience that back in my mid-20s when I was pregnant with my first child. And that was something I just really, really fought. I did not want to have anything to do with it, man. I. I went through my apartment and anything I thought might be offensive to

[F]

God, it was like gone. And so I had to deal with that for a little while.

[C]

But somehow, I don't know, I got through that and, and I, I don't know, I had a real problem with

[F]

that because being raised as a Christian for me, said the Shadow figures were

[C]

more like a demonic thing.

[F]

Now when I look at it, I. I don't know, maybe not a person is.

[C]

When I was drifting off, it would be like during the day, and I would lay down, take a nap because

[F]

I'd be so tired. And it's almost like you're kind of

[C]

in a different state of mind between

[F]

sleep and being awake. And maybe there's a chance to have

[C]

an interaction with different dimensions or something, I don't know.

[F]

Or it could have been demons, I have no idea. It was very, very sleep scary, and

[C]

I didn't like it.

[F]

I've had a number of paranormal experiences, but I will talk about the four most pertinent ones.

[C]

The first one I had was when I was 17 years old. And this happened with both of my sisters, who at that time were 14 and 15.

[F]

And we were living in a. A very old place back in the mountains in Idaho.

[C]

And my mom, my dad was working out of state, and my mom at that time was working some kind of a little night job at a restaurant. And so she was getting home pretty late. And we had.

[F]

I had a very small brother and sister. So us older girls would take turns sleeping downstairs with the brother and the sister that were really little.

[C]

They were like maybe 2 and 4, 2 and 5. And we did not have night lights.

[F]

When the lights went out, it was very dark.

[C]

There were. There were no other buildings around. This was ranch country. And so there was some other ranchers

[F]

in the local area, but mile a few miles away.

[C]

And so anyway, I wake up in the middle of the night and I can hear this sobbing coming from the sofa.

[F]

Because where I'm at is in the living room.

[C]

There's two bedrooms upstairs, and there is a bed in the living room at one end of it. And that's where I'm sleeping with my brother and sister.

[F]

I hear this sobbing and I'm thinking, well, I'm thinking it's got to be one of my sisters. I do not think ghosts.

[C]

But right next to the bed where I'm sleeping, on the other side of the room, there is a doorway that goes up the stairs to the other two bedrooms. And. And so it's it's kind of. It's an old house, so that stairways, stairs, is enclosed. And as I'm listening to this woman sob, I hear my.

[F]

One of my sisters say, debbie, what's wrong?

[C]

And. And I said, oh, I. I thought it was one of you girls. And immediately the sobbing stopped. And it was not me, and it was neither one of My sisters, There is a story that. That there was people. That there was a cabin that was

[F]

built on that property that was nearby

[C]

at some earlier point, had burned down, and a child, a baby had burned up in that fire.

[F]

But.

[C]

And it may be true. I. I think that definitely was true.

[F]

But I kind of wonder if that

[C]

was the connection with this sobbing woman that we had there in our home that night.

[F]

That was the only connection I could make to.

[C]

It was we had heard that story about the house fire and the baby. And then we, all three of us

[F]

girls, experienced this woman crying in her house.

[C]

My next paranormal experience happened when I was living in Montana and my boys were little.

[F]

It was not long after my first

[C]

divorce, and my boys were like two and five. And I moved into this mobile home

[F]

that was on just a small piece

[C]

of land, and it had, like, a building at the back and trees and stuff.

[F]

It was a great place for the

[C]

kids and for somebody like myself that was just trying. Single and trying to survive. And anyway, we found out soon after we moved in there that the previous

[F]

person that had lived there, a young

[C]

man and a young woman with. With really small children, that the woman had died like a terrible cancer, and he had been widowed and left with two children. And so while I'm living there, I would see somebody in the house.

[F]

I would see a woman.

[C]

There were times when I would go and put my boys to bed, especially my youngest son.

[F]

And when I would put them down to sleep or put them down for

[C]

the night, a lot of times I'd be back out in the living room, and I would hear the door to the bedroom pop open. And you really had to pull that

[F]

door closed to get it closed.

[C]

It was.

[F]

It was one of those. It latched.

[C]

It had a nice tight latch to it.

[F]

It was a little bit too tight.

[C]

So anyway, whenever it would pop open, I would think, oh, here he comes. The baby is up.

[F]

You know?

[C]

And I would sit in the living room and wait and try to be

[F]

quiet, thinking one of them was going

[C]

to be coming out very soon. And then nobody would come out.

[F]

And it got to be.

[C]

Every time I would lay, like I said, especially my youngest down in the back, could not close the door.

[F]

If I closed the door, when I put them to bed, the door would

[C]

be open back up. And one night, my sister was there, and she was sleeping out on the front. So. And I was in the back and very small place, and I hear her out there chatting and visiting, and pretty soon I'm like, who are you talking to? And she was, well, I'm talking to you. And I said, I laughed and I

[F]

said, well, I'm in bed in the back.

[C]

And she goes, no, you're not. You're sitting out here in the dining area.

[F]

I was not sitting in the dining area.

[C]

She had seen a woman sitting in the dining area and that's who she was visiting with. I think it was probably the energy of the woman that had been there.

[F]

These last two, last two paranormal events were both had to do with men in their home. The third one happened in Tennessee and we had bought. My husband was working on the east coast at that point and we had bought an acreage in East Tennessee that

[C]

had this very old home on it.

[F]

A little, little cabin house.

[C]

And part of it was newer than the other part. Part of the foundation had logs for foundation. But either way, when I first moved in there, it was like almost immediately, like a second night that I was sleeping there was.

[F]

I could hear a man walking across the wooden floor.

[C]

Men's work boots are.

[F]

They have a unique sound on a hardwood floor.

[C]

They kind of clunk.

[F]

And it was just like clunk, clunk. Just kind of a slow, measured pace. And I got an immediate thought of, I'm not leaving.

[C]

Just a very obstinate feeling like, I'm here.

[F]

I am not leaving.

[C]

This is my home. This is my land.

[F]

I'm a part of this.

[C]

It was like kind of all ball together and. And I'm like, okay, I did not.

[F]

I don't want to mess with those. I don't like to deal with this. So I, I pretty much avoid all paranormal type things.

[C]

And aside from UFOs anyway, yeah, I, I heard this person occasionally during the

[F]

few years that we lived there. And I never heard this energy in

[C]

any other rooms except the very oldest.

[F]

And pretty much that's all it ever

[C]

was, was just a walking through the house. We heard that originally that property was owned back in the early 1800s by

[F]

someone that had a, a little trading post there. I don't know, but the man that was there felt very determined and unmovable and very much planted in that spot.

[C]

My last, that I'll tell you about

[F]

as far as my paranormal experiences was in Lebanon, Oregon, where the first, where

[C]

the saucer sighting took place. And I was at that house.

[F]

We were having holiday there.

[C]

I don't. I think it was Thanksgiving. I don't think it was Christmas.

[F]

I think it was Thanksgiving.

[C]

And there were. All of the guys were in the back part.

[F]

All of the women were out in the living room.

[C]

And most of the men, all of the men there were six foot or over. They're all big guys. And I had got up in the living room, locked into the kitchen and got a cup of coffee and was

[F]

walking back into the living room.

[C]

I'm standing in the living room. I had not sat down.

[F]

I was standing behind the chair where I was sitting.

[C]

And I felt somebody suddenly standing right

[F]

there, really close to me, almost touching

[C]

me, but just not white. And the person was really big. And I thought.

[F]

I thought it was my oldest son because he's.

[C]

He was the biggest guy in the house and they were all big guys, but this person was really big.

[F]

And I could see out of the

[C]

corner of my eye, my peripheral vision that he had on a black and yellow buffalo check work shirt, like the logging shirt. And the Lebanon area of Oregon is an old logging community. This person was just so pleased and

[F]

so happy to have all of the family there in that home.

[C]

That's what he was about. He was about all of his family just being together and being happy.

[F]

He was so pleased. Yeah, it was just my paranormal experiences with men have been men and their

[C]

homes and land, like just really tied to that part of their life.

[F]

And with the women, it's been women and their children. So, yeah, those are my paranormal experiences.

[D]

Wherever you go, there seems to be something which, which. Which is around you.

[F]

It does seem like that and. But all of my life I've been able to.

[C]

To just kind of pick up on feelings from people. I call it filling people because I can. Like so many of the guests that you have on, there is the ability to pick up emotions and, and good energies and dark energy.

[D]

It is something which will sometimes go hand in hand with these experiences. That's wonderful, Deborah. I don't understand how you were nervous.

[C]

Yeah, you would have thought most of it was worn off throughout the day, but it really hung on there.

[F]

Thank you very much, Nick.

[C]

I really, really appreciate it and I really enjoyed visiting with you, Deborah.

[D]

I really appreciate having you on. It was wonderful you to join us today and such an interesting story.

[F]

Thank you very much, Nick.

[D]

That's all right. Keep in contact and I will be in touch. All right. You enjoy the rest of the day. You have left.

[C]

I will stay in contact, Nick.

[F]

Thank you, Nick. Good night.

[D]

Take care.

[C]

Bye Bye.

[D]

That is all for this year. Keep updated and connected with the show on X, Facebook and Instagram. And if you have an encounter that you'd like to share on the podcast, you can email [e-mail] or you can reach out to me via the contact page on my website, ufocronicles podcast.com a big thank you to Deborah and all our guests that have shared for 2023 and a massive thank you for your continued support because without you guys this show wouldn't be possible. A very happy New Year to you all. I will be back next week. Till then, stay safe and keep watching the skies.

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