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Ep.393 The Shadow Fox
01:07:46
John joins me from Florida to share a encounter at just four years old. After witnessing a mysterious fox-like entity formed from black smoke standing over his baby sister's crib, the experiences continued with silent aerial craft, strange lights,...
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Lele Pons
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John
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John
UWA517, do you want to report a UFO hover? Negative. We don't want to report. Aries31, do you wish to report a UFO hover? Neither we want to report one of those either. Aries31, do you wish to file a report of any kind of it? I wouldn't know what kind of report to file. S ares 31? Me neither. Area 71 Papa Golf. Good. And there was anybody above us that passed us like 30 seconds ago? There was.71 Papa Golf.
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Bluff
Negative.
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Nick Hunter
Okay,
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John
a UFO. It's merged 295. Yeah, something just passed over like us. Don't know what it was, but it's at least 2,3000ft above us, so yeah, it passed right over the top of us. 911. You guys busy? We just called the. They're out there making airplanes dispatched. Okay, Bob, I swear to God. Four calls in on an unidentified object over liberty. Four call. Four calls on an unidentified flying object.
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Bluff
Take a look.
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John
All right, we'll Check it out.
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Nick Hunter
Welcome to UFO Chronicles, a place where people share their experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had an encounter and would like to be on the show, you can email me@ufocroniclesmail.com. Hello everyone. Hope you're all doing well out there. I'm Nick Hunter and this is the UFO Chronicles podcast. Tonight's guest is John, coming to us from Florida in the US And John's experiences began at the age of four when he awoke to find a strange fox like entity with glowing red eyes standing in his bedroom. Decades later, John experienced what he believed was an out of body experience and came face to face with a mysterious shadow figure. From childhood encounters to unexplained entities and astral experiences, three decades of high strangeness. John is up next. But first, if you enjoy the show and you would like to help support the podcast on Patreon, you can do this for as little as $1 a month. Head on over to patreon.com ufocronicles podcast. You can also find a link in the description of this episode. Any help is very much appreciated. Appreciated. Now on with the show. John, hello and welcome to the podcast.
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John
Hey, how you doing?
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Nick Hunter
I'm doing pretty good. It's, it's good to have you with us tonight. And you're calling from the state of Florida?
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John
Yes, sir.
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Nick Hunter
Great stuff. Okay, now John, you have a few experiences that you're going to be sharing with us. Would you like to start at the beginning please, sir?
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John
So a lot of my experiences started from like around age 4 and then you know, I had some experiences when I think I was like 9 and then to like 10 age and then well, I wouldn't say maybe 10, I'd probably say maybe 11 or so. And then a lot of my experiences stopped and then I guess in a sense like vamped up. 20, 18, 2017 period till, you know, current. Now. So based on as far as like my first relevant, as far as, you know, experience happened when I was four years old and when I was four years old, you know, I was at home. We lived as far as, you know, I guess an apartment. At the time frame my baby sister was sleeping in the crib, I think she was only maybe a couple of months old or so. And this is like early, early like 90s period time frame. Like you know, for some reason or other I remember I was asleep and then for some reason as far as like I was awoken up and as I got up and I stood like upright on my Bed. I remember seeing like this thick, I don't know, ethereal type of like smoke. You can tell it, you know, initially was conscious. Like, I, I mean, I can say as far as When I was 4 years old, what I was looking at. I had no clue what I was looking at. But the smoke enveloped itself, you know, sent through the window and into the room. And I remember as far as, like, the whole ambience of the. The room kind of changing, I guess, like going from like a little bit light to like, you can tell, like dark in a sense. And it took on the shape of a fox. And like a fox with red eyes. You can see, like red, shiny, almost having like a shimmer, you know, glare to it. Red eyes. And then it would have. You can see the teeth. You can see the whole body. The whole body was. Was enveloped as far as, like I said, in that black, thick smoke. And then, you know, at first when it appeared, I mean, I was. I was just basically like in shock. I didn't understand or quite, you know, saying comprehend as far as, you know, like I said what I was looking at, why I was being looked at it. And it roam around the room. And I remember like, my whole body was like paralyzed. You know, I. I guess you can say like, you know, sleep paralysis state in that sense, but my whole body was like, like paralyzed. And then I remember trying to like break out of that trance. And it wasn't up, up until as far as like this, the fox, like when it was roaming around the room. And then it jumped on top of the crib or where my baby sister was at. Like, I remember that at that, right at that moment, like, I. I had to kind of, you know, saying, push from that threshold from being like nervous and scared to okay, I now have to be protective. And I remember, I guess in a sense like asking for help or basically breaking through that. That strong type of feeling. And then I screamed out, you know, saying, like, get off my sister. And that's when, you know, send the entity as far as, you know, send his eyes, like, took a look at me. And it's like, you can tell it went big thought in. In the sense of like shock or so. And for some reason or other, when I kind of re, you know, analyzed as far as, you know, it's in that particular experience, like now I can tell as far as that at that moment, it kind of seemed like it wasn't aware that I was in the room. And then it came until, you know, it was fully aware that, you know, I Could see it. And I remember its eyes, you know, saying, grow big. And then it jumped off the crib and then it jumps outside the window. And then like, you can tell, like the whole ambiance of the room changed back to where it was at at that same time frame. I, for some reason other, I felt some type of like pressure on my left shoulder during that time frame. And I remember like glancing over for maybe what was seen maybe like a second or two. And I, you know, seen some type of like just light or so, you know, on, on the corner, you know, the bed where, where my bed was sitting at, just at that same time and moment, you know, the fox, you know, saying, wherever it was, you know, saying jumps outside the window. I screamed out. And then my dad comes like running in and I'm like telling him, even at 4 years old, what exactly did I see. And I told them and he was just like, you know, the usual, probably like a bad dream or so. And I clearly, I was trying to tell him like, no, I was fully awake and fully aware this happened. And then he went outside like he had to get up for work in the morning. So he slept outside in, in the living room, I guess, like adjacent to where the door was at. So that way he could, you know, have some eye views on me. And I remember him, you know, saying, waking up in the morning, like he was just restless in that sense. And fast forward to a couple of my other experiences where I had seen. I think it was like age 9 or 10 at that time frame, me and my cousin, we had go back, you know, sent to the Caribbean and go visit family. And on this particular time frame, me and my cousin was playing on the roof. And while we're on the roof, we seen this big globe and like, you know, is making no noise, completely silent, but the movement it was making was like, you can, like a smooth transition. We heard no, you know, helicopter rotors, no type of like propulsion in that type of sense. And visiting my cousin, you know, in the Caribbean, you know, they don't have that type of stuff. So I had to try to explain to him what a helicopter was in that type of sense. But, you know, had strobe lights that was kind of going around it and it peered over as far as this mountain range. And within that time period, I don't know, you know, as far as like, you know, saying time wise. But I do remember distinctly when it rose up from the, the mountainside and it slowly kind of panned over and then just kind of took a Little bit more speed and then out of sight from there, like I stated, you know, a couple of my experiences stopped, I guess, for some reason, like right around 11 or 12, I guess, in that sense. And it didn't stem back up until later, later in time frame. And fast forward to the experience that I had. I believe it was like 2019. I was in. I was, you know, I was just watching some tv. And my girlfriend at the time frame, she lives with me. And while then, since she, you know, said, hey, you know, I'm gonna go, you know, get some rest and stuff like that. And I said, okay, I was gonna go finish my show and, you know, I'll join you right afterwards. And I remember turning off the tv, you know, saying, cleaning up a little bit and then, you know, going off to bed. And I wasn't really tired or anything like that because, you know, I think it was like the, you know, weekend time frame. And, you know, I'd stay up and I. I laid down on my side because I was always like a side sleeper. And I laid on my side and I. I don't even think no more than maybe three, three to five minutes within that span time frame, I felt something pull out of me. I don't know whether I caused it myself or it was some type of outside influence. And I felt pulled from my body. And I was literally like standing right beside my body. And then at that same time frame, I remember like glancing over and I'm looking at my, like my. My whole body sleeping on the side. And I see my girlfriend, you know, laying on. On the other side. She was, I think she was like Morris or like face to wall. And I remember as I was like looking at my hands, and then my hands had like, like a greenish type of bluish type of hue with like little specks of like, I don't know, sparkly dust, if you want to call it or so. And at the same time frame when that, initially that phenomenon had happened, I remember right then when, when I felt like I was being pulled out, I felt this type of knowing something was just about to happen and I needed to be aware of it in that type of sense. And it was like the same thing that happened when I was 4. Something just kind of got me out of my sleeping case. Something's gonna happen. And in that instance, you know, saying when, when I. When I got pulled out and I got that type of knowing, same thing as far as at four years old happened, the whole room changed, Ambience of the room change. And then I see the same black, thick, you know, I'm saying the ethereal type of smoke. And you know, I. I mean, I had no type of awareness as far as. Like I said that second, you know, because everything happened just so quick. And then it took the form of this seven feet, maybe eight feet tall. Because I remember my room rooftop was kind of like, I guess you would say, like concave or something like that. And you know, so it had a little bit of extra sin height, I guess, disproportionately to it. And like I said, I remember just seeing it just tower over in this tall figure with this time. It had gold, bronzes, yellowish eyes. And I remember like seeing its teeth. And it was bluish. I wouldn't say like bluish ivory, but just like a bright, pearly type of ivory. And it was the same thing that I kind of matched up as far as, you know, saying what happened at 4 with the fox? And I remember looking at it, you know, it shoulders. And I remember seeing, I guess, nubs or ridges in. In that type of sense. And for some reason, you know, because I came from a military background, being former active duty. And for some reason I kept getting the sense of whoever I was in front of, you know, because there was characteristics that I even felt, you know, sent within whatever this was, you can tell, like, you know, send. It held some type of presence. And I got the type of feeling when I seen the ridges. And I kept thinking like, lieutenant, officer, you know, send something of that type out. I don't know why, but that kept pointing out at that time frame. And I don't want to as far as, you know, speculate into the fact that, you know, saying if, in fact, if it was some type of, you know, reptilian figure in that type of sense. But that was the only characteristic is of what I could kind of attach to. Because initially it felt that in that type of form, just like I said, just large presence because I felt some type of. What I could only characterize is almost like that type of force. When you take two magnets and you kind of. They have that type of opposition and you can kind of feel that magnetic, you know, same type of energy in between is what I felt within this presence. And for some reason or another I remember having this quick clack type of like glance while I was like just trying to absorb everything of what was happening. Me being in that type of astral form figure showing up out of the blue. You know, I'm saying, of course, you know, saying menacing in nature stuff like that, but not showing any signs of aggression or anything of that. For some reason or other, I felt there was watching or basically intrigued by the fact that I. When I got pulled out my body or so, and then that. That quick, quick glance of a moment, I remember feeling for some reason like somebody behind the whole phenomena, almost like a female feminine type of feeling, Somebody in the back taking notes, almost like a double pane window type of feeling. And the whole phenomenon has happened in the front. And during that time frame, like I said, I was trying to absorb everything of what was kind of going on. Like, brain literally just moving from zero to 300, you know, just trying to get a grabber feel of what's going on. And I remember just kind of thinking like, okay, I need some type of help. Try to figure out what's going on. Just try to what's going on? And initially, you know, and I call that to God because I was like, all right, then like, God, help me out. Like, I don't know, you know, what's going on. And at that same time frame, this whatever, as far as the figure was in front of me, like looked at me and smiled or like, grin. And I remember just kind of just thinking to myself, what was that? Or what was that type of interaction? And once and after when it grinned, everything kind of as quickly as it came in, as quickly as it went out, whole room goes back into, you know, what is regular. And I kind of remember being pulled back in my body and everything. And I woke up in sweats. Like I said, just brain still moving, just trying to recollect exactly what exactly just transpired. And I remember glancing over and I was looking at my girlfriend and I thought maybe she had got up or, you know, I've seen what was kind of going on and she was knocked out of sleep. Nothing. And I remember just getting up and I went to the living room and I probably was out there for like maybe an hour or two before I was like, all right, let me just go get some rest. But when I fast forward to now, when I just kind of put, you know, all the pieces of the puzzle together in a sense, and using, you know, even like grok AI or other, you know, AI platforms in order to kind of piece the whole phenomenon as a whole. And it was exactly what I was kind of thinking about and stated that the fact that the experience that happened in 2019 had the same characteristics of the phenomenon that happened to me at my. At age four, up until then, even after that experience, you know, I'd seen like blue orbs, red orbs, I mean different things. As far as initially like, you know, as far as him maybe like out of the norm or that type of sense, but doesn't have a timetable of when they pop up. They just pop up, I guess without notice. And that's pretty much my experience.
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Nick Hunter
Well, thank you for sharing all that John, starting with the. The fox experience. Does a fox have any significance to you whatsoever?
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John
So even with the fox, I mean, because it's interesting as you brought that on because I know it, you know, everything's been in the news about, about the story like disclosure day and I went out to the movie theaters, you know, by myself to go watch it, you know, and I was just get some time to myself and I've been wanting to watch the movie for a long time. You know, being a fan of that older movie. Yeah, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, I believe it was, you know, when I watched that movie, like, you know, I don't want to put any in anything as far as, you know, send out there in that 10% but there was a particular scene where an animal, you know, I'm saying, presented itself and I remember looking at the eyes of it and then that, that whole form of that scene, it kind of matched what I had seen at age 4 in that type of absence, you know, if that makes any sense. So when for some reason or another I do believe as far as, you know, saying there's probably been other experiencers as this probably had somewhat and I wouldn't say is exactly to a degree or maybe send the phenomenon or the unknown phenomenon of itself probably presented itself maybe in a possible faction of an animal or distinction of an animal.
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Nick Hunter
Yeah, that's pretty interesting. I mean foxes turn up in. In folklore or globally actually a lot in Asia, you know, a lot in Asia where they associate with elements of like smoke and mist. And when it first came in to your room from the window, did it acknowledge you right away? Did it see you? Did it know you were there?
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John
I don't think it knew is initially I was there like you know, for some reason. Another when I keep kind of replaying that whole, you know, that, that whole experience. I feel without a doubt that at first, those first couple of moments it did not know that I was there or I was able to see it because I don't. There was no acknowledgment in between that typ type of state that I was in. Like you know, just completely, you know, frozen in fear of not knowing what am I Even seeing, you know, in front of me, you know, I've never seen anything like that before. I mean, even at the age of four. So, yeah, I don't think there was no acknowledgment up until after when for some reason, another, something gave me the type of strength to break through that trance and, you know, send do active instinctively, you know, in order to protect my sister because she was, you know, a baby in a crib. And that's when I. When I seen the eyes locked on to me and just like, kind of like grew big, almost like, you know, saying like fearful or maybe, maybe within that, that type of degree, you know, I'm saying it was like shock, you know, that I could actually see it and I vice versa. And it jumped out and then took flight.
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Nick Hunter
Your sister was a baby at the time in the crib. Do you think it was. It was there for your sister, the reason why it entered the room?
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John
I have kind of pondered that question too, and I don't. I don't think so, but I think for some type of reason, maybe as far as like, you know, because even thinking about at this time frame when, When I had both experiences and just kind of combining both, for some reason I felt, you know, maybe it was testing to that degree. I don't think it was actually doing anything, you know, I'm saying maliciously, but in that time, in that, that quick second, there was those size where I kind of had to push aside and I had to, you know, protect her nonetheless because, you know, all I just seen it when it jumped in the. It jumped on top of the crib like the rails of the crib and kind of like, I guess, walked around it and then it jumped inside the crib. And that was, you know, when I had to act extinctly from there, the
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Nick Hunter
big brother in you took over, correct?
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John
Very much so. Even still to this day now, I'm still protective of, you know, my sisters, of course.
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Nick Hunter
What woke you up that night? Did something wake you up?
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John
I don't know what instinctively was. It wasn't anything physical. It was almost like somebody, you know, send throwing as far as like a piece of information, you know, into your brain or at your brain. And for some reason, another I, you know, I got up and like I said, I was just sitting upright on the bed like 90 degrees. I don't know. I can, you know, best illustrate that. But I stood up from the bed and, you know, that's when everything was presenting itself.
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Nick Hunter
It must have been quite scary at that age, you know, Not. Not sure what you were seeing.
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John
It. It did because, like, at the same, you know, same time I, you know, age four, like, I mean, I. I don't remember as far as, you know, most TV shows or anything that I've watched at that age, but for something to happen, you know, like that, like, I, you know, as. As I'm telling you what had it transpired for some reason, another. I've always, you know, have that kind of like knack ability of retelling everything, you know, almost as if it's happening right then and there. It's almost like a little 4K video playing in your brain and then you're just illustrating it out exactly how, however, when it went about.
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Nick Hunter
Yeah, actually, as some of my earliest memories are from that age and I remember everything very, very clearly. I. Even though. Even though I'm nearly 50 and I can't remember what I did last week sometimes, but some of the memories I have of being that age is incredible.
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John
Yeah, yeah. Some. Some things imprints on you, and I guess you're in a sense here, it just kind of tattoos itself on you.
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Nick Hunter
That's a good way of putting it. Yeah, I think you're right.
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John
Yeah.
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Nick Hunter
Imprint. Wonderful. Okay. Did you ever tell your sister about this, that something like this happened?
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John
I didn't tell my sister about that, you know, that. That phenomenon, that experience until years, years later on. I mean, maybe in a sense I was always just kind of just, maybe, you know, always protective of her and always kind of like protective of her feelings also. So I told her a little bit years that were afterwards, you know, so she got a little bit older. And when I told her, I mean, you know, she was just in disbelief. You know, my family comes from, of course, you know, like a Christian background and, you know, heavily in the church in that type of sense. So for her, when I told her that, she said that, you know, it was something. May have been something demonic or anything like that nature. So to her, she acknowledged it, but she didn't really kind of like, believe it. And for me, kind of, you know, still growing up in the church, but kind of traversing, making my own path and that type of sense, you know, I knew to this day and time frame, I was like, you know, when I piece a lot of my experiences on and I'm like, yeah, no, it's not demonic. It's just something different.
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Nick Hunter
And with the. When you're at 4 years old and the Fox experience, did it feel like. Did it feel like a test to you?
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John
It definitely felt like Some type of test, I mean, you know, you know, for years after age four and then, I don't know, for some reason another, I guess when you're kind of growing up, adolescence, like you just kind of compartmentalize a lot of things and does a lot of those things, doesn't kind of like make his kind of rear way until like a little bit later in time frame. But yeah, no, it didn't pop up, you know, until now frequently. But yeah, I mean it was just different.
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Nick Hunter
I grew up in a Christian family and it's good that you didn't just see it as demons and as being evil and stuff. You just simply saw it as something different.
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John
Yeah, correct.
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Nick Hunter
And when 2019, now you have body experience, was there anything particularly that you were going through during that time period? I mean, were you, were you stressful? Were you under any pressure or anything like that?
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John
No, I don't, I don't think I was any pressure. Yeah, during that, I mean everything was just kind of flowing naturally as it was. I was joined as far as, as much time as I could on the weekends and then, you know, just go by the same type of cycle. But yeah, I don't think as far as there was any type of stresses or pressures that I can say that was making some type of influence around that time. No.
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Nick Hunter
Okay. And that was the only time you've had an out of body experience. Have you ever tried meditating and, or, or anything like that? I mean, during that period, I don't,
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John
I don't even think I took on any type of form of like meditation until a little bit right after a lot of those phenomenons around 2019. Yeah, I do try my best to, you know, meditate nightly now and just kind of profound myself from there.
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Nick Hunter
Good for the soul, I think.
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John
Yeah, most definitely.
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Nick Hunter
And it's very similar to my out body experience. That is, that also happened in my bedroom. My wife was still asleep. Did you know what was happening when you looked back on yourself and your wife? Did you know what was happening to you?
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John
No, I. Nah, I mean, because it was like when it, when it happened and then it's just like you had a flood of other experiences happen thereafter. Because I mean I, I can tell even for myself, like you know, even just kind of growing up, like I never really, I never really kind of looked into it and like that. You know, I remember growing up watching like X Files or something like that, or being even scared of watching Sex Files. But I mean for the most part when it happened, I guess in a Sense like you have to just kind of grab as much as the data as you can, you can, and just try to rubric it, you know, and just trying to organize and then just try to get some type of sense of what's actually happening.
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Nick Hunter
Yeah, I mean, for me it was, it was shock. I didn't know what to do. In hindsight, you know, I wished I'd wandered out the house and wandered around and explored a little bit more. I try and think how long it lasted. It felt like it was just a matter of minutes, but I don't know how long for you, did the time, did it feel like a period of time all this happened?
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John
Well, I mean, it's funny that you asked that because like when that whole kind of phenomenon happened and even like, you know, when it happened at 4, for some reason another, I always felt like there was this little box just happening, you know, I'm saying like almost like a dimensional time in, in time and space just happening for me and everybody else, you know, saying on the outer end wasn't, Wasn't, you know, disturbed by. Because it was weird to me that that whole phenomenon was happening. And you know, my girlfriend on the other side, like, you know, for some reason or another, I felt maybe she had either heard something or anything, but she was just completely dislodged from, you know, what was happening. Only to kind of get up to some type of courage and actually tell her about a year and a half, year and a half afterwards, you know, after it happened.
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Nick Hunter
And you, you could see, you actually could see your, your hand.
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John
Yeah, it was like a bluish type of green for some reason. Another, like I always remembered those little, those little, I don't know, sparkles, you know, I'm sending in between. This is almost as if, like you're looking at space and like you can see the, the, those black, you know, send the void in between. But like I said, yeah, it was like bluish, bluish, greenish type from what I remember distinctly.
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Nick Hunter
Your astral body. Interesting. I mean, for me, I just felt like a pair of eyes. I didn't, I didn't remember seeing my body. I could move around and I could, you know, look in different directions. I didn't think to do, to do anything other than just remain in shock. And before I knew it, I was just pulled straight back and I woke up.
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John
Like a first person view?
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Nick Hunter
Exactly like that. Yeah. I mean, at the time I was, I was under quite a lot of stress. Other than that there was no other reason for it to, to happen. And it's never happened since.
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John
Yeah, because a lot of times like no, for from one time or another when it was like 2017, around that period, you know, up until like now felt like as far as like there was like this type of quiet period in my early life, teenagers to like early, early like 20s or so. And for some reason another, like I always kind of ask that question like why was it quiet in between that little period. But then it just started vamping up up until like now and then I can recollect all these other experiences that happened from 11 and 10, nine, eight or so at time having a lot more questions and you know, actually thinking about getting answers. And you know, I utilize AI saying to, to try to like I said, organize and make some type of sense to some degree, you know. And I'm pretty sure there's other people out there who try to do the same on their experience as well. But yeah, I mean it's just something that you know, I guess time and time again I think I'm just kind of just roving through that type of path of just figuring out, you know, just like everybody else.
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Nick Hunter
Yeah, I think it's important to see if there are patterns. I mean is there anything that you found so far say like location maybe or times, periods when it happens?
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John
No, because I mean for some I tried a couple of even like videos or even other things, you know, since I've tried to collect data wise I tried to type a rubric it in some type of form, you know, to try to see those type of patterns. But there's none. Is like everything just kind of been sporadic.
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Nick Hunter
What about the, the houses have you lived? Obviously these have happened in different houses. Did you ever have any other paranormal activity in your, your houses, especially when
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John
you were younger, a lot younger, was. I don't know, they were more like spiritual I can say. Like I don't think it had anything to do with like the, the UFO phenomenon of that type of sense. But it was definitely something different because I mean there was like one house where my mom and my sisters and I lived that made a time frame and she rented out the house and I lived in the back of the room. Like it seems like as far as this room that was just like added on to the house and my closet was a furnace. Like out of all the rooms in the house, you know, I end up, you know, I'm saying with the one with the, the water heater, furnace or whatever. And I remember I had my TV at that corner of that, you know, saying Like I said, just having that door closed and then TV at the corner. I do remember like there was a lot of where sometimes like, you know, when the TVs like playing and then like something just like happens, like out of the norm, out of blue. But there was something that I always kind of felt some type of like presence, maybe not have not might have been exactly good in that type of sense. And even when I told my mom about that a little bit later and she believed me because she said that she felt the same thing. A lot of my experiences, in a sense, like I said around that 2019 and you know, 2018, a couple of years afterwards, you know, up until now, like those experiences at that household where I stated that happened with that 2019 event, that in that household itself, you know, I felt like had a lot of activity and not really in the sense of spiritual, paranormal in that type of sense. It felt like it was all a mix of more uap, nhi, you know, same type of experiences rather than it was anything spiritual in essence.
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Nick Hunter
Okay. As far as the religion goes, I. Do you think this has made you less or more religious?
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John
I wouldn't say as far as less religious. I would say I've always kind of been more in the neutral zone where I still respect as far as different practices, but I've just kind of chosen as far as my own path and it's still positive route. But I still have as far as like a lot of my beliefs, a lot of my beliefs aren't going to change, you know. You know, I still always, you know, simply leave in the one creator, you know, God, source in it, you know. But I. I don't think as far as the phenomenon and that the extent kind of changed or put it definitely put a lot of questions in that type of sense. But I think, I think just eventually later on in time, you know, I just kind of seen a lot of hypocrisy, you know, saying that came out of. Since some churches in that elements weren't, you know, when it was supposed to be supporting good rather you know, later on and figuring out it was just something, you know, doing something different, but just more or less, I guess losing a lot of respect in that. But I. I just created my own little path and I'm sure a lot of other people have done the same.
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Nick Hunter
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I agree with that.
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John
Foreign.
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Nick Hunter
The the military figure and that was the only time you, you saw that
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John
particular figure during that time from I had, I had been already separated from the military. I had, you know, separated back in 2012 and served, you know, another year, you know, as a contractor. But within that time frame during the military, I didn't have any experiences, nothing, you know, out of the paranormal blue or anything like that, despite as far as, you know, the clearance that I had. But I mean still like, I mean there was nothing as far as out the blue or out the normal, you know, that normal view of things, scope things.
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Nick Hunter
And you definitely felt it was some
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John
sort of creature in both experiences. Yes, 100, like, I mean, living, breathing, conscious, and then in that type of nature, you know, I've tried to research to some type of degree like what that. What was the purpose of like, that black type of, like, smoke, you know, almost conscious in itself, able to take, you know, in different, like, forms within itself. I mean, that's something I'm still trying to figure out to this day.
- [45:50]
Nick Hunter
It's just dependent what box you put it into, whether you put it into a paranormal box. Alien UFO box.
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John
Yeah. When I. When I actually kind of propose that question, you know, when I was like, using, like, grog platform, kind of bring a pretty good distinction of, I guess, trying to find some type of baseline about it. But when I asked the question, it kind of stated in the form of like. In a term of like, interstellar entities or interstellar objects in that matter could present itself in a different form. Because as far as the density of where we are versus from, you know, what there is. So. And initially could take the form of something. But in a long time frame. I always felt when I kept reliving as far as I'd experience is not having a lot of experiences. I mean, not having a lot of, like, answers out of that. And when I kind of thought about it, I kept thinking that, you know, I'm saying, of course, like, maybe it might have been something malevolent, but just the characteristics of things that happened within it up until now. Like, always ask as far as, like, though, you know, there was more to it than what it was for some reason. Another. I felt it was more like a check in the box. Because even in an absence, you know, saying when I got out of my body in that. That OBE and then here it is right in front of me, it's not doing anything, observing even, you know, saying even if I felt like the force of what I felt for some reason or another, I felt as far as, I guess, that opposition that. That energy in between, because it was so much like it felt it was literally gonna like, fold, you know, or for like, fold you in half, kind of like pushing back, you know, almost like it deserved as far as some type of respect in some type of manner. But it wasn't doing anything. It wasn't. It was just there. And then when, after the experience, when it happened, like, when I asked myself, like, a lot and I try to, like, piece everything together, it kept, you know, striking out to me that some type of absence in mind, like, when I even put it in AI and like rock or a different AI, like, it was the same thing. It was almost as if it was some type of training, checking a box, seeing what's kind of going on, observing when. As far as. When I seen. As far as, like the entity, when he grinned or, like, smiled, it was almost as if I did something that was supposed to be like. It was supposed to be done. Almost like a little. Like a little training clipboard in that type of sense. Like just kind of like checking off. That was initially as far as what I felt, you know, strongly out of that.
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Nick Hunter
Okay, so again, like a test, like a lesson. Did you feel scared about this entity?
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John
I mean, it. I mean, when it's presented in front of you, I mean, you have no choice but to kind of, like, feel some type of way. But I think my just. My brain was just kind of just trying to racing both what I was seeing, being in that form, and just, I guess, like the brain was just kind of going too fast enough to even feel some type of fear in that type of absence. Like, I think I was just there just to try to absorb everything that was kind of going on. And I mean, I think it served right because, you know, when I actually pieced everything together, I knew that there was more to the phenomenon than what it was, even being connected. And a lot of characteristics as it happened to me when I was. When I was four years old, it was almost as if when it happened, it wanted me to piece both experiences and try to make some like, almost like little breadcrumbs.
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Nick Hunter
And after it smiled at you, did it. Were you pulled straight in your body directly after?
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John
Yeah, after. Yeah, after it smiled and everything in it. Because when it first came in, when I seen that black type of smoke, I don't think I remember seeing it flow into the window as it did when I was at 4. But for some reason, when I remember seeing the whole room kind of changing it this time, it looked like it came from out the ground. And then, like I said, just, you know, a whole bunch of just smoke. And then you can see it just kind of like take its form from there. You can just see it and you can tell, like, you know, saying it was. It was maybe muscular in size, great stature, or I guess overwhelming stature in that type of sense.
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Nick Hunter
It sounds intimidating, all right. And when it formed from the smoke into the. The figure, was it gradual or was it just there?
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John
Yeah, it was just. You can see an envelope of like, smoke and smoke on the ground and then. But you can see it was thick, you know, because. Almost like a void within itself because, like, Nothing behind it, you know, saying was. Was translucent enough to penetrate, to try to create some type of impression. Just kind of seemed like it was living, breathing within itself, like conscious. And when it developed, it didn't happen quick. But I guess in a sense when I was looking at it, it may be, I mean, I mean maybe a span of like maybe a couple of seconds in some type of degree. But yeah, it came straight out from the ground and then like an enveloped in it to itself and I guess collected, you know what I'm saying? Because I felt like as far as the smoke came from in different areas and then it just enveloped into the self, into this figure.
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Nick Hunter
You mentioned a female. And did you see this female presence in the room?
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John
I did not see the female presence in the room, but it was like something that I strangely like felt when I was trying to collect everything that was kind of transpiring. It was something that just kind of hit me for like a second or two and I got her like a quick glimpse of like somebody on the other side, almost like taking notes of what's kind of going on. And I wouldn't say exactly like a double pane window, but that was the only way I could describe it. The whole phenomenon that is happening within that room. Even though as far as you know, saying my girlfriend wasn't disturbed, the figure in front of me, me, you know, I'm saying physically laying on the side of my bed, being pulled out my body in that out of body experience and then at the same time having like that quick type of like glimpse of like almost like a female figure
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Nick Hunter
in the back, like taking notes like you're being observed.
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John
Correct?
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Nick Hunter
Yeah. So there's a strange element to that.
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John
Yeah.
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Nick Hunter
And since 2019, have you experienced anything else, Anything else that's possibly connected to this?
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John
So I had another experience that happened a little bit after those like a couple of years afterwards. And I mean it kind of sucks in between because afterwards, you know, saying I had lost somebody, you know, saying close to me. So in that experience I remember I was coming home from work maybe like a Thursday or something like that. I can't really kind of recollect in terms of the day. And I went outside as I always did out in the garage and just kind of relax a little bit. And I remember on this particular like Evening it was maybe 6 7, 67 ish or so. Like when the sun's like the sun's already kind of gone down, but there's still a little bit light, you know, since still apparent. And I Remember seeing this kind of, like, bright object in the near distance, you know, a couple of neighborhoods, you know, saying, oh, wait. And I kept kind of thinking to myself, and I'm like, I'm looking at the time, and I'm like, it's a little bit early, you know, saying, for, like, a star to be out. I was thinking that in my brain because it was brighter than anything else that was out there. And for some reason, it almost felt it was, like, shimmering or. Or different color. Almost like you would see, like, the fastest facets of a diamond, you know, like you would see those different little colors from a distance. And I remember going in the house and coming back outside, and it was gone. And later in that evening, like, I had got my telescope out, it was a full moon that night. I think it was maybe a super moon night, because, you know, I remember it was. For some reason, I felt, you know, excited to kind of just take the telescope out and look at the moon. And I remember I was talking to my brother, you know, saying. I call him, you know, he's a cousin of mine, but. But, you know, I always kind of grew up with them. You know, it was always like a big brother to me. And I remember when I was talking to him on the phone, started conversation, and I was talking to him about some things, and then I was like, you know, hey, you know, did I ever tell you about what happened to me at 4 years old? And he's like, no. And he's. And then that's when I kind of went along and I was telling him the experience that happened to me at 4 years old. And so I'm going along as far as the story, looking at the moon, just, you know, relaxing and stuff like that. And I remember all the dogs in the neighborhood start, like, barking. Just different dogs in the neighborhood bark and barking, barking. And I remember kind of thinking, I'm like, man, like, what's. You know, like, you know, what's. What's. You know, this dog's, like, just barking in the neighborhood like that. And then it goes from barking to, like, dead silence. Still going along, telling my brother what's kind of going on. And then next thing I get this type of inkling just like. Just like a lot of experience before, like, hey, something's about to happen. But this time I got as far as, you know, saying, be aware. Feel like your surroundings or. Or look behind you or some. That type of sense, like that. That type of thought process. Because when I was in the driveway having my telescope pointed, you know, at the moon, I think it was like more like east. And then what I got as far as, you know, saying from that happened, came in from complete opposite, like the western. And I got that type of inkling and it was like, you know, hey, be very strong your surroundings and stuff like that. And you know, mid conversation I turned around and I seen this, this husky dog. And you can kind of see it like, you know, saying like, didn't have like any type of sense of malicious or just like just some type of dog out there on the streets. But I remember looking in his eyes and it's like, had these like blue eyes, but they were beautiful. Like, I don't know how to quite describe it. And it was like on the side of the, on the sidewalk. And then it took a little couple of feet. And then I was. When I was kind of thinking and I kind of paused in between and my brother's on, you know, in my headphones and he was like, hey, what's going on? And I'm like, I don't, I don't know. But not, you know, from there. I kind of freaked out a little bit because like, you know, sitting in an instant, like I kept on kind of thinking, I'm like, did I manifest this? You know, here I am looking at the full moon, having a conversation with my brother and telling him about my experience at four. And then, you know, these dogs go off. Next thing, this husky looking dog just like shows up out of nowhere and like it creeps up, you know, sent up until on my grass. And then I remember I went back in the. I slowly went back in the house. And then while then I'm trying to, trying to tell my brother like on the other line, what's kind of going on. And then I'm just like, I'm like, I'm thinking in my mind I was like, you know, I been through, you know, deployments, you know, sent overseas and stuff like that. Like, I don't just get spooked up, you know, by just anything, but for some reason, I guess I was just trying to race my, my mind around the fact of what just happened or what's happening for some reason. Another. When I kept looking, when I was looking at the dog before I went in the house, like it had like this face of just curiosity for some reason. Another. And then I remember going in the house and I was trying to explain to my brother and then I eventually got pissed off and mad at him because I felt like he wasn't really taking the, the situation seriously enough. And I remember, like, momentarily before I got off the phone with them also, too, because when I was talking to him, I kept hearing, like, static in, like, noises in between and that. And I think that's another thing as far as that. I. I was getting pissed off at him because I. I kept on telling him. I was like, why do I keep on hearing these, like, static noises in between? And he's like, what static noise? And I was like, no, you're. You know, you're. You're trying to, like, you know, make fun of the situation. And I was like. I was like, I'll call you later, and went back outside because I remember my telescope was still outside, so I. I didn't want somebody to, you know, drive up and, you know, send, you know, grab. Grab my thing for, you know, whatever reason or so. So I go outside, and I remember I had my bottle. I had, like, a bottle, a soda bottle. And at this time frame, you know, the husky went from the grass and into my front driveway. And I remember I threw a bottle at it, and it skipped in between, like, the dog's legs. And I remember, like, the dog just, like, looking me, like, dead in the eye and just like, why are you throwing a bottle at me? And that's that type of sense I got from it. And then from there, like, I don't know, I just kind of. I wouldn't say lost it, but it was just like, okay, I need to, you know, get back in the house. And so I remember grabbing the telescope and then putting it halfway inside the house, and I was going to drop my garage door. And then after, when. When the bottle, like, skipped in between the dog's leg, I think eventually afterwards, it just left because, I mean, I don't know, it's just. It was gone. And then I remember even, like, looking even back on the camera, the time frame. I remember seeing it live, you know, after I threw the bottle, and it just kind of, like, trotted and went across around the corner of the neighborhood, and that was it. But for some reason or another, I still had the. The garage, like, halfway open, and I still had the. The telescope, you know, like I said, like, halfway out the. The garage inside. And I was gonna bring it in, so I. I lifted up as far as, like, the garage door, and something told me, look up. And I look up and I see, like, this yellow, this ball of, like, light. And it seemed like it was, like, close in terms of, like, proximity and distance. And I kept like. And thinking to myself, yeah, I'm like, I Try to think about schools, guys. I was like, okay, could be a plane, could be, you know, saying maybe a drone or something like that. But when I kept looking at it, it was just. It was just solid, just right there. And then I grabbed my phone and I was trying to record it. And while I was trying to record it, of course, like, you can't. For some reason you can't get a good focus. And while I'm like looking at it and I remember seeing it and it moved and then it moved and then this. It moved quick, you know, I'm saying, like from that frame and into another frame from where it was at and then just moved, you know, adjacent to it. Like, what am I looking at? Until then when I was trying to get a good focus of it, and that's when I can see it like starts to pick up speed and it just took off. Like you would see like one as far as like a supercar, you know, just going from 0 to 60 and just like taking off and then left out from. From view from there. And then from then, you know, I was just trying to just like, okay, you know, what exactly just transpired from there?
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Nick Hunter
It's odd. I mean, obviously it wasn't. It wasn't just some neighbor's dog that had wandered in. You'd never seen this husky before?
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John
No. And I mean, I'd been out during the evening a lot of time, friends. And I mean, I would see like stray dogs can across and nothing that I've seen in that type of nature. When, you know, when I heard that static in between, like, you know, when I was talking to my brother, I don't know, for some reason another, he passed away. It was like, like two years afterwards or two or three years after that incident. And for some reason I felt, you know, when I was hearing that, like static noise, like, I don't know why, but I always tried to make some type of connection between the two. Almost like, you know, since somebody sending a message, you know, hey, something's gonna happen.
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Nick Hunter
Like a knowing.
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John
Yeah, Yeah. A soft knowing, I guess.
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Nick Hunter
Yeah, soft knowing, of course. Thank you for your service, John. Okay. Was there any time during your deployment, did you ever. Did you think this ever really came in handy? Do you think it was maybe preparing you for something?
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John
The military aspect? I believe in a lot of sense, because in terms of character wise, I guess characterized, you know, I guess, you know, because, you know, in the military, in a lot of sense, I mean, even with the Marine Corps, you know, where I served, that, you know, there's a lot of discipline. There's a lot of. You're basically stepping out from, I guess like a normal civilian mode to something else. So you, you're learning a lot of different tactics, controlling yourself emotionally. This is so for how to conduct yourself, fight or flight, you know, since situation to some degree, I felt like, you know, when I try to pieced a lot of things together, I always kind of felt like, you know, there was probably a reason and that I did have to serve in the military. I don't know why, but you know, you know, it all made sense.
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Nick Hunter
Sure. So many unusual connections. Obviously you got some thoughts about what it is, what it can be, what does it mean?
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John
It does in a lot of sense because, you know, even kind of. John, back when I was stating earlier, you know, when I went to go watch Disclosure Day, a couple of scenes within it, like, I don't know, I was more shocked in a sense because I was like, you know, where. Who could have offered some of, you know, some information to be in a lot of details with an adjacent to my experiences. I'm not saying it happened like exactly, but you know, when I watched it and I did the particular scene that I seen, it definitely raised a couple of hairs off of me. What I kind of felt.
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Nick Hunter
You know, I had. I had this weird, really weird fox experience years ago and I had gone out. I lived in a. Like a cul de sac and my house was at the very end of these row of houses. So I was at the end of a cul de sac and I. I'd gone out to put the rubbish out. It was gone midnight and I. I walk out, go to the bin and I stop and I turn around and I see foxes. Right now these foxes were in like a semicircle around me. They were just all sat down, just staring at me. I've seen a lot of foxes over the years. Of course, it was just a weird experience. There was one fox felt like he was old. I mean he kind of looked old.
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John
He looked like the.
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Nick Hunter
The most mature, probably the leader of the foxes. It was just such a weird experience. They just sat there and didn't move towards me. They all just looked at me and I. And I traversed back inside the gate. Then I ran upstairs and looked at the window and they all, just one by one, they all just walked off. It was really strange.
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John
Like when you said something about like the oldest one that came out for some reason that what popped out to me was like elder.
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Nick Hunter
That's exactly what it was. That's What? It felt like his colors were different than the rest. You know, some looked young. Young foxes, they tend to be very playful, but they just sat there staring at me. And they were in a semicircle, not together. They were. They were spread out in this semicircle. It was. It was so strange.
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John
What. What age range do you think that was around?
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Nick Hunter
I. Probably remembering how long I was in that. That particular house. Probably about 2017. I think it would have been about that time.
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John
Yeah. It was very odd.
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Nick Hunter
It was very odd. Yeah. Foxes, they generally, when they see you, they scarper. They. As soon as they see a person at night, they just. They run and carry on looking for food. It was like I walked into some kind of, I don't know, like a meeting or they were judging me. I have no idea. It was just so strange.
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John
That's definitely odd. I don't know what it is. To some degree, I feel like when a lot of the phenomenon innocent presents itself in the animal form, I felt for some reason, it's almost like a comfortability thing. If I can't show as far as my true form, maybe I can have informing something else. And with you, you know, being somewhat okay with it.
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Nick Hunter
Yeah. So the animal side of experiences, it's something which crops up a lot. We're not just talking about normal, casual scene of wildlife. There's usually some kind of strange situation that you're in. I've heard it from foxes before. I've heard it from deer, owls, obviously. Owls is something which. Which crops up a lot and always has done. It's unusual. It isn't like I said, it's not just the seeing of normal wildlife. Do believe that it is masked?
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John
Well, when you said something about owl, like, I mean, I wouldn't call this an experience. I would just call this, I guess, sporadic event. After I had left as far as the Houston region, came over to. To Florida at the time frame to, you know, just kind of like help my mom out. You know, she was going through a couple, like, health issues or so. So, you know, I came over to kind of help her out, you know, saying get her back up on her feet. And I remember there was one night I was outside, you know, on her porch. And while I was out on the porch, you know, I was just doing what I, you know, I think I was listening to music or something like that. And this owl came out of nowhere. And I remember like seeing his wingspan because it was. It was pretty large. And I remember it just kind of swooping just a couple feet away. From my distance, but I can actually see it almost as if you would see something do like a fake out and kind of like fly towards you, wingspan up. And it just kind of swooped up above from there. And when it did that, I. I wasn't scared. Or was I, you know, since shocked by. It was just. It just happened so quick and I was just like, oh, you know, surprising in that type of sense. I've always felt, you know, like knowing what I know now has a lot more feasibility in a lot of other experiences. Because, you know, just like you said, I mean, I think there's definitely as far as some type of pattern that can be made out with a lot of experiences, you know, and that. To that degree, yeah. But I mean, for the most part, I think that that spark of that, that knowing is something that I've kind of been getting like, relatively to as far as like experiences presenting itself. Because when I stated earlier, when I seen as far as like a blue orb and red orb, it was like almost like the same. Same type of instance, you know, saying when it happened, when I seen the blue orb and it was just like this blue, beautiful type of blue. I was like taking my dog out, you know, I just got him as a puppy, you know, saying not too long ago, and I took him outside in the backyard to, you know, use the restroom. And upon bringing them back in the house, right, Split, you know, send between as far as that doorway. I got like some quick knowing as far as like something was just about to happen. And so when he runs back and you know, he runs in the house, I remember I was looking to my right and then that's when I seen like this blue ball. And it was a beautiful type of blue. I don't know what to kind of describe it, but it was just vibrant. And I had taken out my phone and I was trying to. I was trying to communicate with it by turning on the flash on my phone on the back end and moving back and forth. And I have no clue to this day why did I do that. But I was able to record to some degree of that presence until as far as, you know, when I was doing what I was doing and I was like, all right, yeah, I probably like a fool doing this. And then it just. It turned in a circle and then it just took off from there and it's like left out of the scene pretty quick. And a little bit afterwards, I think it was like a couple of months after or maybe in a year after. So I remember there was another experience Where I was just watching tv and I got the same thing. As far as that type of inkling. I need to view something. I was watching tv. Then I, like, paused it. Then I got up and I felt like, you know, saying, being drawn some way outside. And then I go outside in the backyard and I see this, like, red, big ball. You know, I'm saying it was, like, solid, and then like, blink, blink, blink. And then, like, solid is relatively pretty close. And for some reason, another, I was kind of thinking in my brain, I was like, okay, yeah, it's probably somebody got a drone out, you know, just flying around. But when I looked at the size of it, and I'm like, nah, that's a pretty decent size, A little bit bigger than a basketball. But, I mean, that's a pretty decent size, like, drone. And it wasn't making as far as, like, any, like, rotary type of, like, noises, like, you would hear. But I remember when I was looking at it, and it was movement, it was moving, like, smooth and. But for some reason, another, I kept hearing, like, clicking sounds. Like, almost the only thing, as far as I could describe is those old Disney movies when they make those little clicking clacking of those, you know, mechanical parts. And I seen it. It was moving, like, you know, sent across, you know, in the neighborhood. There's two houses in the front, and I remember kind of going behind the first house, and then it was moving towards, like, the second house. And then I'm just kind of, like, looking at it, and I'm just like, I can. I can see. And for some reason, when I kept saying, as far as, like, I can see, because the same. For some reason, it was just like, I knew it was aware of me and, you know, vice versa, because, like, it was moving along and it went towards, like, my neighbor's roof line. And I remember seeing it, like, peek its head out and then, like, peek down when I was thinking in my brain thought process, like, I can see you. Like, why are you. Why are you hiding? Is what I was saying. And then it did that maybe like, two, three times. And then it gradually just kind of moved out, you know, I'm saying moved out, and I guess, you know, saying just, you know, out of view from there, almost like in curiosity, is what I got.
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Nick Hunter
Interesting. Well, John, definitely keep us updated, you know, if you do have any profound experiences like this again, you know.
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John
Most definitely, John.
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Nick Hunter
I really appreciate you coming on and sharing that for our listeners.
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John
I know. It's been a pleasure.
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Nick Hunter
It's been our pleasure, John. Okay. Keep in contact and we will speak soon. And enjoy the rest of your night, sir.
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John
All right, you too. Thank you.
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Nick Hunter
Take care. Bye for now, John. All right, before we end this week's episode, I'd just like to take a moment to say a few words. Last Friday, I received an email from a listener named Ronald from the Netherlands, and he wanted to let me know that the following Wednesday he would be undergoing euthanasia after a long battle with chronic pain. Over the last few months, Ronald and I have exchanged many emails, and what started as a message from a listener became a friendship. He once told me that listening to the podcast helped distract him from the pain at night, even if only just for a little while. And hearing that was something I would never forget. Ronald was one of the kindest, most thoughtful people I've had the privilege of getting to know. Despite everything that he was living with, he never lost his compassion. And he reminded me to appreciate the little things in life, the moments we so often take for granted. Ronald, if there is another side, as you believe there was, then I hope that you found a peace that has been denied to you for so many years. This episode is dedicated to you, my friend. Rest easy and until we meet again. Well, that is all for this episode. Keep updated and connected with the show on X, Facebook and Instagram. And if you have an encounter that you'd like to share on the podcast, you can email me@ufocroniclesmail.com or you can reach out to me via the contact page on my website, ufocronicles podcast.com a big thank you to John for sharing tonight and thank you all for for listening. I will be back next week. Till then, stay safe and keep watching the skies. Goodbye,
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John
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