Ep.398 Humalien

Summary

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UFO Chronicles Podcast: Ep.398 "Humalien" (Aug 9, 2026)

Main Theme & Purpose

In this episode, host Nik Hunter welcomes Jane from New South Wales, Australia. Jane shares her lifelong, first-hand experiences of encounters with the Greys, a type of alien being. Uniquely, Jane’s accounts are overwhelmingly positive, with emphasis on kindness and ongoing relationship with her primary contact, “Grandpa Graham.” The discussion centers on:

• Her childhood abductions
• Involvement with a Grey-human hybrid breeding program
• The emotional aftermath, ethical complexities, and practical advice for other abductees

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Jane’s Early Encounters

• First Memory of Contact
  • Jane recalls being under two years old, standing in her cot, and being picked up by a being she later nicknames “Grandpa Graham” ([04:00]).

    “He said to me, 'I’m like your grandfather, little one,' still calls me little one. And I’m not little.” — Jane [04:29]

  • Describes the Greys as physically real, scientific, and not frightening—“like astronauts on another planet doing research.”
• Physical Appearance & Nature of Greys
  • Human-like with distinct blue-grey skin, big eyes, and a gentle demeanor.
  • Jane’s medical background informs her perspective: differences in skin color suggest environmental adaptation, not otherworldly malice ([05:15]).

    “These differences are no more than the differences between an African man, an Asian woman and an Anglo child… We’re all the same.”

2. Life-Long Contact and Abduction Experiences

• Repeat Encounters
  • Discusses being taken as a child, adolescent, and adult—frequently sedated, but often holding clear memories ([06:45]).
  • Teen years see increased abductions, correlating with fertility and possibly the breeding program ([08:40]).
• The Hybrid Program Explained
  • Detailed perception of hybridization: eggs/sperm taken and fertilized via IVF; embryos sometimes implanted, removed before term, and raised in artificial wombs ([13:28]).

    “What are they doing up there with us? Well, they're taking our eggs and our sperm and doing breeding experiments and they invented ivf.” — Jane [14:20]

  • Describes residual grief from lost pregnancies and gradual acceptance through giving them names and writing her memories out ([29:00]–[31:30]).

3. Witnessed Phenomena and Corroborating Evidence

• Shared Sightings
  • UFO sightings with multiple witnesses, including family and friends, police, and the public ([17:10], [21:20], [23:40], [25:00]).
  • Police affirmation: upon reporting odd lights, “You’re the 20th caller telling the same story, so you’re not the only one that saw it” ([21:44]).
• Element of Humor
  • The Greys, particularly Grandpa Graham, are playful, sometimes engaging in “cat and mouse” games with police, e.g., during a chase on the water ([25:30]).

    “They’re playful. They get human humor, even if it's not their usual. They're showing off, they're going, 'Ha, ha, we can go faster than your buddies!'” — Jane [26:00]

4. Emotional Processing & Coping

• Grief and Healing
  • Experienced significant grief and confusion over hybrid children. Developed her coping mechanisms, including naming the children and organizing memories ([29:00]-[32:00]).
  • Writing a book became a therapeutic and communal effort. The book helps others with similar experiences feel less isolated.
• Advice for Other Abductees ([66:34])

  “Find other abductees and talk to them… Write your snippets of memories down and put them in chronological order and see what you get. … It’s going to heal you because you’re going to realize, if not just you saw it, then it’s probably true.”—Jane [66:34]

5. Relationship With “Grandpa Graham” & Ethical Reflections

• Ongoing Bond
  • Describes Grandpa Graham as a caretaker and almost family—feels love for him and attributes her positive feelings to a relationship that developed over years ([54:32], [56:28]).

    “You can’t imagine loving your children, and you can’t imagine different faces… I love Grandpa Graham. He’s real.” — Jane [56:44]

  • Believes his DNA may be part of hers due to the nature of the program ([52:06]).
• Ethical Dilemmas
  • Acknowledges lack of informed consent makes the “abductions” problematic ([49:32]):

    “I would never have consented to them taking three of my children.”

6. Insight Into Grey Society and Purpose

• Origins of the Greys
  • Their planet became uninhabitable (unclear if Mars or elsewhere)—Noah’s Ark-style evacuation ([45:40], [51:11]).
• Society Structure
  • Highly organized, communal living, no currency, a point system for resource allocation ([47:30]).
  • “No tolerance” policy for crime—immediate execution for offenders ([47:50]).
• Mothership Tour & Hybrid Children
  • The mothership contains a garden, classrooms, artificial wombs, and private but minimalistic residential areas for hybrid children ([43:00]-[46:30]).
  • Not all hybrid children can survive on Earth—some remain aboard ([44:20]).
• The Ultimate Aim

  • To create a lineage that can thrive both on their ship and on Earth (“Humaliens”).

  • Believe in a God and possess a soul, similar to humans ([48:50]).

    “They’re trying to keep their race going… I think eventually… there’ll be humans walking amongst us…” — Jane [49:00]

7. Warnings and Broader Implications

• The Nuclear Threat
  • Greys are concerned about human self-destruction and have contingency evacuation plans ([59:48]-[64:03]).

    “They're really… very concerned about us destroying ourselves, as in humans destroying the planet with nukes. … If the nukes do go off, they've got a plan to take as many of us and theirs as they can get off the planet.” ([59:48]-[64:03])

• Historical Involvement
  • Claims an agreement for “experimentation” was made after Roswell with Eisenhower ([52:18]).
  • Believes Greys have observed humanity for millennia, witnessing biblical and historical events ([53:00]).

8. Community, Stigma, and the Need for Openness

• Social Challenges
  • Many experiencers remain silent due to stigma, fear, or ridicule ([64:56]).
• Importance of Sharing
  • Jane encourages collective witness as validation and tool for healing ([66:34]).
  • She notes the importance of humility and cooperation, avoiding competition among experiencers/researchers ([65:37]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Jane, on the Greys’ perspective:

  “They're mostly scientists or doctors or nurses that have been sent out to do research on lab rats on another planet, which unfortunately we are.” ([04:00])

• On being taken as a baby:

  “He picked me up...and we floated, or levitated, whatever word you want to use, up and literally through the ceiling...into a round light hole at the bottom of a round spaceship.” ([06:00])

• On ethics of abduction:

  “I would never have consented to them taking three of my children.” ([49:46])

• On acceptance and connection:

  “I love Grandpa Graham. He’s real.” ([56:44])

• On the broader hope for humanity:

  “We need all of the stories to come out. We need to work together as the human race, not an individual person.” ([65:37])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 03:32 – Introduction and overview of Jane’s background
• 04:00 – 09:00 – Jane’s earliest abductions, description of Greys, “Grandpa Graham”
• 13:28 – 16:00 – Details on the hybrid program and medical procedures
• 21:20 – 27:00 – UFO sightings with witnesses; interactions with police and playful encounters
• 29:00 – 31:30 – Coping with grief, organizing memories, writing the book
• 43:00 – 46:30 – Tour of the mothership, hybrid children, living conditions
• 49:32 – 52:00 – Informed consent, emotional aftermath, naming of hybrid children
• 52:18 – 54:00 – Claims of the Eisenhower agreement, origins of the program
• 59:48 – 64:03 – Warnings about nuclear war, Greys’ intervention, historical context
• 66:34 – Advice for other abductees, encouragement to share experiences

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Resources & Community Links

• Jane operates a private Facebook group for abductees (“Humadian”—links in episode and on podcast website).
• Her self-published books: “Humalian” and “Humalian Two” (the latter in cheaper B/W print).
• Listeners encouraged to reach out:

  “If anyone wants to ask me questions, join the Facebook page. I promise to answer all questions as I can.”

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Final Takeaways

Jane’s testimony offers a rare, compassionate perspective on Grey alien contact—one emphasizing curiosity, love, humor, and resilience. She navigates the trauma and ambiguous ethics of her ongoing experiences, ultimately encouraging open dialogue and community support for others on similar paths. Her hope: by sharing, she helps not only herself but also others to find peace, connection, and understanding amidst the unexplained.

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Transcript

[A]

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[B]

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[C]

Hover?

[B]

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[D]

Okay, Bob, I swear to God. Four calls in on an unidentified object over liberty.

[B]

Four calls, four calls on an unidentified flying object. All right, we'll check it out.

[C]

Welcome to UFO Chronicles, a place where people share their experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had an encounter and would like to be on the show, you can email me at ufocroniclesmail. Hello, everyone. Thanks for tuning in again. I'm Nick Hunter and this is the UFO Chronicles podcast. Tonight, Jane joins us from New South Wales, Australia, to share her lifelong encounters with the Greys. Unlike many accounts associated with fear and trauma, Jane describes her experience as positive and recalls being treated with kindness. She discusses her claimed involvement in a Grey human hybrid breeding program and how these encounters shaped her understanding its possible purpose. And a surprising figure known as Graham Jane is up next. But first, if you enjoy the show and you would like to help support the podcast on Patreon, you can do this for as little as $1 a month. Head on over to patreon.com forward/ufocronicles podcast. You can also find a link in the description of this episode. Any help is very much appreciated. Now, on with the show.

[B]

Foreign.

[C]

Welcome to the podcast thank you.

[D]

Hi, Nick.

[C]

It's wonderful to have you on finally. And you are joining us from New South Wales in Australia.

[D]

I am. I'm near Gosford, New South Wales.

[C]

Near Gosford. Wonderful. Shout out to our Gosford listeners out there. Now, Jane, as a lifelong abductee, you have some experiences you're going to be sharing with us. Would you like to start at the beginning, please, ma'?

[B]

Am?

[D]

Sure. So just before I do start what I've seen, though, I'll just explain a bit so that it makes some sense, which is I have a. I refer to a character called Graham or Grandpa Graham, and he is an old, now gray man who has been the one to pick me up all my life. So I see these grey aliens as people just like humans, but with a different look. They've still got a body, a face, arms and legs and a soul and a personality. So when I say Grandpa Graham, that's who that is. The nickname just evolved. I'll get to that. And I see them as like our International Space Station astronauts. They're mostly scientists or doctors or nurses that have been sent out to do research on lab rats on another planet, which unfortunately we are. And I know that's a negative, but my. They've been very kind to me. So my experience is mostly good, or it's all good, but I understand the questions around the ethics. So my very first experience, I remember being in a cot and under two, maybe just under two from. From when it was. I pulled myself up, standing in the cot. I know most people don't remember this age, but big events like this, you do, you just. It's like. It wasn't trauma, but it's like trauma and that the details stick in your head and that was one of those. So. And then at the end of my cot was standing this man. I didn't know any of this then, so I'm speaking in hindsight clearly, with big, beautiful eyes. I think they're beautiful. I don't think they're scary in the least, like, only bigger, but like possum's eyes or cow's eyes or just gentle. A bald big head with two lumps on either side and a very narrow, pointy chin. And skinny, I'd say no body fat or muscle that I could see. And he had a full body suit on that was skin coloured, his skin coloured. And his skin was bluey grey, more than grey. And I now know, looking back, my background is many years in nursing, although I'm retired now, so I now see that their skin is Just a different colour, as if they have no oxygen because they do. They breathe different air to us. Whereas we're pink because we've got more oxygen going through our blood. So it's just stuff like that. They're still a physical person. These differences are no more than the differences between an African man, an Asian woman and an Anglo child. We're all the same. We just might have different eyes or different physique or whatever and we can all intermarry and interbreed and we can do the same with the Greys. That's what this experimenting is all about. So we couldn't breathe with them if they weren't very much like us. Now, I understand there are different stories out there with different aliens and some people are terrified, but that's just not my experience. And I can only tell you what I've seen so that clearly lots of different races. This is the one that I've had the experience with. So that's Grandpa Graham, who's now a very old man. Do they live longer than us? Is a question I often get. Maybe, but not a lot longer. Maybe, I don't know. It depends how healthy they are, I suppose. But maybe 100, 120. Just depends. I think it's just that their medicine's better. Okay, so Grandpa Graham was standing at the end of my cot and I pulled myself up and he picked me up and put me on his right hip. And I felt no different to a human picking me up that I knew. I don't remember him before that, but I did feel that I knew him at that point. And he said to me, I'm like your grandfather. Little one still calls me little one. And I'm not little. And so wouldn't a baby go with a relative and get in a car and just do it? Because people ask me why I went. So he picked me up, I just went with him trustingly, happily. I knew the man, I liked him. And we floated, or levitated, whatever word you want to use, up and literally through the ceiling. Our bodies don't change. They change the space around us and into a round light hole at the bottom of a round spaceship. I've seen many different sizes and many different shapes, but these ones were the medium sized hospital ship, I call them. So as Grandpa Graham and I rise through the hole in the bottom of the ship, the door beneath us closes over and it's like an old fashioned camera aperture just closes, like just sort of folds in if you familiar with the old fashioned aperture. And then we're Just standing there. And I look around me and there's a group of children, and I know some of them, and it's the same group that I've been in ever since, from babyhood to adulthood. And I now know three of them on Earth that have witnessed the same things as me and contacted me. So the big kids are supposed to look after little kids, so I must have been allocated to a bigger kid who then held my hand. I guess human babies are pretty dependent, so they can't just leave us running, can they? It's very organised and it's very much like your high school science experiment where you get a control group and maybe two other groups with issues that they're comparing. It's incredibly organized, but it's also very much like the experiments on the International Space Station with plants and things. They're just ahead of us. So then I'm laying on a levitating table that looks like a, you know, a doctor's bench, only there's no mattress on it, it's just silver and there's no legs, this thing that as a baby I didn't understand, but as an adult, I do like a scanner, I suppose, only much smaller than our CAT scans, MRIs, PET scans. And it just came right across my body. And all I could see was colored bits and probably my organs floating in the air. And as a baby, I was just fascinated. Now I know what was being shown. So it scanned my whole body. And they took blood from my arm, but there wasn't a needle. It felt like they sucked it out somehow. Nothing hurt. I wasn't scared. And then they took me back to my room. Grandpa Graham again picked me up, took me back down, put me in the cot and I went back to sleep. I know that happened many times over my life. They sedate us mostly. I guess they didn't need to sedate a baby that wasn't scared. The next time. I remember, I was about 7, and for whatever reason, just being older, perhaps, I was terrified. I knew they were coming. I could sense they were coming, and my heart was racing. And again, I was young enough not to understand that the thump, thump, thump on my pillow was just my heart racing, but that's what I could hear. And then they did come and I rose up to the ceiling, but I wasn't fully sedated because I hadn't been scared before, perhaps. And I screamed, but nothing came out. And then I was unconscious and they took me up through the ceiling, so they must have decided to sedate me then. And I Compared that to anesthetics or midazolam or Valium or something. On Earth, you're sedated, you're not unconscious. So snippets of memories come through and other things are lost. There's definitely a lot that's vague in my mind that I can't grasp. But that's why, however, other things I remember incredibly clearly and I've never forgotten them. So that time, the same thing happened. The same children were there, and I was put back into my bed. I don't remember going again till puberty. And that was pretty close to 14. I was a bit late. And then there was a lot between then and menopause. Sorry, ladies and gentlemen. I guess your fertile years are when they want you the most. Although they have taken me either side of that. When I was a teenager, I'd see a lot in the sky. When they move, they're not like shooting stars. There's a very big difference. You can see easily see the difference between a plane, a helicopter, comet and a UFO or AKA alien spaceship. They're usually very high up, although they've come down close to me, and they can move at right angles to themselves. They just go up, down to the right, to the left, across, down. No comet can do that, honestly. So I've always seen a lot, an unusual number. And when I've got friends with me, they witness them too, even if they never have before. So, you know, as fate will have it, I've often had witnesses or some sort of proof, or I've rung the police and they've believed me because I've had other reports. So I'm grateful for that. So, yeah, that kept going on. And then the next time I remember really clearly, I was in my early 20s and I was. I just woke up floating. I was just floating up off the bed. My body wasn't down there. I was. My soul was in my body. I know that it compares to NDEs, but it wasn't the same. It was a physical experience. And I floated up through the ceiling. And we lived in a fairly old house and it was. Well, rooms are always dusty. But I sneezed and I saw a cockroach. Now, to do that, I had to be in my body. Your soul's not going to sneeze. And I asked how, and Grandpa Graham said, well, we changed molecules of all the physical stuff around you, but we don't change you. So somehow they're. I don't know. I mean, I'm not going to claim to understand their science. They're just the answers I got when I asked the questions. I floated up into the medium sized round UFO with the light hole at the bottom that I've seen most. And in there I met another male human whom I'd seen as a child and also one of the ones I've seen on Earth. So what are they doing up there with us? Well, they're taking our eggs and our sperm and doing breeding experiments and they invented ivf. And I think that they implant the fertilized ovum back into our uterus. Well, this is how Grandpa Graham explained it when I asked. And they put a hormonal injection to make it take in your uterus behind it, and then some take and some don't and they leave them in you for under three months and then they take you back up there, remove the foetus and put it in. Artificial foetus. Yeah, horrible stuff. But they did their best to be as kind as possible and as gentle as possible. And I must be one of the few people who asks a million questions and drives them nutty. I find they're always happy to answer, but they're very phlegmatic in their personality and that their facial expression or their body language doesn't change. I've heard people describe them as autistic or as clones. Not true. They're people and they project emotions and they project words in your language. So they must have some sort of translator or I've got the translator, I don't know, but I hear them in English. Yet in the background of that I hear a funny click, click sound that I cannot mimic. So I suggest they've got a language, but they enter some sort of translator and we hear it in our language, but the questions are answered directly. So if I say what color is the sky? They will say blue. They will not say blue with white wispy clouds and it's a warm day. They just won't give you another ounce of information, not deliberately. They just don't understand all the nuances of human language. I do drive them mad with questions. It's just my personality and I just want to understand. And grandpa Graham has learned to laugh. They don't usually laugh, but he laughs. That's some of the things I'm thinking that he can hear. So this is a tangent, but it also leads into the next experience. So once I was in a ship, he was driving, there was another human beside me. They're tiny, these ones that they pick you up in, not made for human sized physique. Freezing cold, and I'M sitting there on this metal bench with my knees up near my ears. And I said to the driver, who I know was Grandpa Graham, can you please do something about it? It's too cold. Make it warmer. And he laughed, and he said, well, if I make it warmer, we can't live. But you'll survive in the cold. You just won't enjoy it. At that point, though, I also noticed there were no controls. He was doing everything with thought. And that same ship, so this is my next experience, anyway, went out over the ocean. Where I live, there's a lot of coves and bays and estuaries. Before it gets to the sea. It's all salt water, but they're all. They're all still there. And so it went out over the water, deep into the ocean, and then a long way out, we went back up into space. And I was aware that we were underwater, and I was aware that we were in space, but I couldn't feel any movement. I feel sick when I get back. When I wake up in bed, the first thing I do is throw up. And I have a whopper headache, I suppose. Delayed motion sickness. I don't know. I mean, your guess is as good as mine, but this is what happened. So then that person that was in that ship with me, I met. I was working in an emergency department. Clearly, I can't give any names or places. I can in private, but not in there. And this man came in as a patient, and we recognized each other, bizarrely, from the ship. So strange. There's no way we could possibly have met on Earth. But anyway, we both had enough memories to. We met later, matched up the story. They know who they are. They don't want to go in public. That's up to them. That's fine. So, yeah, so then I met that man. So then I went back with that man to the place that this ship had gone, out over the water and could show him exactly where we'd stopped and a path that we'd walked down. And so, just a detail I forgot is that the ship we're in broke down just like cars break down. And Grandpa Graham parked it in the bush, and we were waiting on the edge of the water for a new one to come and get us. That's what happened. So he walked us down this concrete path and over this jetty. At the end of the jetty, we climbed into the smaller ship, which didn't rock on the water. It was just levitating slightly above the water. It was all. Even though the weight would be Uneven. When somebody stepped in, it didn't move. Their technology is mind blowing. I'm not a technological person, but I wish I'd asked more questions about those things. However, I didn't. So then there's. Then I had children, got married, all of those things, you know, human children. I mean, over that time there were three pregnancies that weren't explainable. I was married for a time. However, a doctor confirmed a pregnancy and I had to have a DNC when I miscarried. And there was fatal parts. Again, I can prove it, I really can. So after that, you know, lots of funny things happened. I wasn't in the spaceship, but I was still seeing, for example, my two children and my husband were standing in the backyard and we saw five red orbs just floating across in front of us, not far away, no further than another yard, another house yard in Australia. And we all thought it was very exciting. We'd seen so many. No one was perturbed by it at all. But humans try and hide all this and there's still a cover up. Even with Trump coming out with the, the UFO files. And in the, the next day in the paper, it said that they were Chinese lanterns, you know, like a candle and rice paper floating rubbish. They were like the light that was red was like infrared red from an infrared lamp. It was orangey red though, and ours is more red, so it was a color of light I hadn't seen on Earth. They were slowly watching us while we were watching them. And that very night my eldest child had a dream and came down to breakfast the next day and said, mum, Mum, the aliens took me last night and there were children there and can they come home for dinner? And they were so nice and blah, blah, blah. And I said, do aliens eat Spag Bowl? Because he wanted to know what I'd feed them. So it was all a bit of a funny conversation, but I'm telling you, other people witnessed the things that I have witnessed and that can't be an accident. So another story, I went with a friend, an old friend who I Knew believed in UFOs, was educated saying, known him long enough to know that there weren't any mental health problems. We went to Birdie beach at night because I've got a sun problem and that's up near Newcastle. And he went for a swim. I wasn't. Might be sharks in the dark. And then he came running up the beach, terrified, saying something came up from the water and looked at him and I went, oh, come on. So I went down, back to the waterfront with him. And it did this green lit thing that I would now call a drone. And it can go in water too. That was round, orb shape, a physical thing, but nothing like a fisherman's lure or any of the logical things you might think of. Came up out of the deep water, looked at us and went back down. And the green of the light was the same green that I often see UFOs in. Not a color we have any light in. It's fluorescent green, but doesn't hurt your eyes. It's bright, but not like a light bulb or fire or anything that you can think of, you know, so there are differences. They have things we don't have. Anyway, so we sat on the beach and discussed it for a while. And then he said to me, look, just look to your left. I said, oh, it's a lighthouse. And he said, do you think it's a lighthouse? No.

[B]

No.

[D]

Okay, it's not a lighthouse. Great big round ball of light. Is it a full moon? No, we could see the moon on the other side. Well, what is it? And we neither of us know. And he said, spaceship?

[B]

No.

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Right, quick, get in the car. We're going up there. And he was petrified and not me. I get myself in trouble sometimes. Anyway, so we drove up to the point and at the point was two green, same green as the one we saw in the water. Orbs above this round ball of light going down, out to the right, back up in a triangle, and that was the right one. And then the left one would go down, out to the left and back up to the top. So they were scouting around it, and when we got to the gate, it just. It flew off. We saw it fly off, rather so again, another witness. So then I was telling someone else, another friend, and this friend said, you've lost the plot and I don't believe you. I said, great. That's just great. So I said, I'm going to prove this. So I rang Newcastle police near Birdie beach, and I got a young constable and I said to him, do you. Do you believe in UFOs? And he said, oh, tell me the story. So I did. And he said, well, look, I didn't, but you're the 20th caller telling the same story, so you're not the only one that saw it. So that story was checked out by the producer of a TV show I did an interview on, you know, every. With the police. Everything that I have said has been checked out by investigative reporters and myself and various other people who wanted to disprove me, but didn't succeed. Another next story in chronological order was New Year's Eve at Gosford waterfront. They have fireworks every New year's Eve, about 9:30 for the children. And I live quite near that, so I enjoy that. And I've got grandchildren, so I've taken them a few times. This was just my eldest grandchild and I. This particular New Year's Eve, we went to one of the back streets on the estuary so we could see the other side to the main crowd. But there was still about 12 people where we were sitting. So while the fireworks were going off and everyone's all distracted by the lights, I could see five red orbs above it. They seem to go in three fives and sevens and actually I've seen 9 11s. I don't know about that, but that's odd, isn't it? So there were five red orbs above the fireworks and I was watching them quietly. Other people hadn't seemed to notice, but when the fireworks stopped, I'm just at a stage in my life where I'm old enough to say bugger, it's what people think. And I said to the dozen or so around me, can you see those red orbs? They all said, yes, but one person looked away and denied, but the other saw. And then I said to my granddaughter, I think they're UFOs, and well, I'm sure they're UFOs, but you just sort of soften it for other people. This couple beside me, the woman said to the man, oh, she must believe in aliens, you know. It was all odd. Everyone could see it, but nobody knew what they were seeing except me. There was also a police boat parked very close, close enough that I could see the cops on board and I could see that it was a police boat, but I couldn't. I could hear sound of them talking, but not what they were saying. So they were also clearly watching the red orbs. And about 10 minutes I said to my granddaughter, just sit here for a minute, I think, wait till the crowds go. But really I just wanted to see what happened. So about, yeah, about 10 minutes after, they all came down above the water, right in front of the police boat. The police boat are on the radio, making lots of noise, carrying on, obviously getting back up and telling people. And one of the orbs went to the other side of the boat and then slowly moved along above the water, only about 10ft or 3 meters, something like that. And then the police boat turned on its engines and made a lot of noise and started to go after this orb. But this is only one of the five. I don't know where the other five went because I was watching this one. However, they can just turn their lights off and become. And look invisible, or they could have taken off into the sky. So the boat went after the orb and the orb just went slowly and let it catch up and then it stopped and then the police boat nearly caught up. So they must have seen it pretty close up. And then it would take off a bit and then it'll go slowly a bit further, let the police boat catch up. And it just kept doing that until it was out of sight and it was cat and mouse. And the funniest thing was no danger, no fear. I think the cops were terrified. But the aliens thought it was funny to play a game with them. And that is absolutely my experience of them. They're playful, they get human humor, even if it's not their usual. They're showing off, they're going, ha, ha, we can go faster than your buddies, you know, mine's bigger than yours.

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But buddies. And I do laugh at all of this and it helps. Helps me anyway. So it might help other people listening that have had similar experiences that don't know how to cope, find the humor in it. So that's at Gosford Waterfront. I won't tell you the year, but it's verifiable with the cops and too many people saw it. I also rang the police, sorry, afterwards, and said, look, I saw blah, blah, blah. And the policewoman that answered said, oh, we've given up. We're not even going to argue. Too many people saw it. So to be honest, I don't mean the police anymore, but when I did, every single time, there have been other reports and the police have not doubted me at all, which surprised me more than it surprises you, so. But those little details are important, I think. So apparently I then hadn't come out or out of the closet or read other people's accounts or heard other people's accounts, and I didn't realize that I was not the only person on the planet saying these things, only because they'd been quiet. And whilst it had been a whole life thing and I had chosen a couple of friends that I trusted who believed me, I basically didn't tell very many people at all. So the next big event was I spent some time grieving for the children that had been taken from me, realising that I'd met them and seen them physically and I'd given. So I just had to find a Way to cope with that without. I couldn't go to a counsellor who would believe me. And I now know there are many, many other people with similar experiences and I've met them or they've come to me online through these interviews and basically we've helped each other, so I don't need it anymore. But my way of coping was with the grief, was to name them, give them a human name, recognise that I'd seen them and they had different faces. They looked part human, part grey, it's all ivf, but they make you. They don't tell you that till you ask at the end. So I was trying to cope with the grief. I gave them names and I. I clearly recognised their faces and I knew roughly how old they were and it matched up with my medical records. I grieved by not grieving, getting to know them and realizing they were in fact alive, just like they were in. Well, as my granddaughter then said, it's like they're in another country, not dead, they're just overseas. I thought, that's a good point. And I've since seen them anyway, so I'm okay now. But I wasn't okay because I didn't understand. It just didn't make sense to me. See, the other thing that I did to cope that I hope will help other people is I wrote down all the snippets of memories that I had, remembering I'd been sedated, so bits were missing on separate pieces of paper. And then I put those pieces of paper in chronological order and then I tried to remember roughly what year they were around, what was happening in my life at the time. And I wrote that down. Well, that's how I wrote the book. It's not everything, but it is in order and it does make sense. So it was like a jigsaw puzzle and I just slotted the pieces in and suddenly I realised it just dawned on me what had happened. And regardless of how the world saw it, this had happened to me and I wasn't crackers. So, silly little book because I'm not an author. Self published, Not Perfect, sold really well. Everybody that's read it has loved it and written it to me. I think I've only had one negative review, which means that my purpose is it's printed as cheaply as possible. I don't make any money off it, I put it at the bottom price. It's helping people. And the majority of the people that have written to me have also had very highly similar experiences and were just grateful that somebody else had put them into words. And when I said to a number of them, do you think you could write something or perhaps go on an interview and back me up, seeing as you saw the same things, but they don't want to. A lot of people are scared and I really get that. You cops incredible criticism and it takes a lot of guts and a lot of fear. But you just have to suck it up and do it to put it out there in the public. And as I said to you off air, Nick, I had a lot of interviews taken down because I copped a lot of bullying. Well 11 years ago now. And I just forget it. I'm just doing it. It's still true. I haven't read my own book because I don't need to. And I still remember the details the same way. Because when something that out of the ordinary happens to you, you do remember. Ask any real trauma because there's less trauma, there's more trauma than there's victim. They remember details. I remembered everything that happened in the room where things were placed, like photographic memory kind of stuff. And I don't have that in the rest of my life.

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So, okay, so it's New's Eve gone. And then after that grieving, I. I am a believer in God. And I. I prayed and I begged Grandpa Graham at the same time. And I forgot to tell you that he hears me telepathically somehow. I'm going to digress. I do have a tracking implant. Much like tracking implants we put on dogs and cats. One of them, the first one as a baby, was in my nose. My nose kept bleeding. Mum kept taking me to the doctor. They couldn't stop it. Then I remember Grandpa Graham taking me and removing it. And he put another one in my left knee, under my patella. All right, that one kept until my 30s would come to the surface infected and my body Would keep ejecting it and then it'd go back down and I'd go to a doctor and they'd say you probably fell over as a kid and it's a bit of gravel or something like that, but nobody could find it. And then eventually it came to the surface and I had knelt down on the carpet. I was just in the middle of moving house and when I stood up, it had come out of the skin enough that it caught on the carpet and ripped out. It's got a scar there to prove it. And what I found when I washed the blood off it was a cone shaped thing, only an inch long when fully extended. And if I held both ends, one was pointy and one was round and flat. So literally a cone. And I could push it in and out and pull it back with my fingers. So it was like a telescope. It was made out of something I didn't recognize. The best I can give you is similar to quartz, but it wasn't quartz. It certainly wasn't an accidental piece of glass I'd fallen on as a child. It was something very engineered. So I washed it, a lot of it, put it on the windowsill and the next day it was gone. But what happened during that night for the thing to be gone again, provable will blow your mind. So I was in this new house, my children were asleep and I went to sleep and I had a dog and the dog wouldn't stop barking and she never did. She was standing at the back glass barking over the backyard. So I went out to see what was going on. Well, I went to the door, I didn't open the door and I could see this big ball of light, much like I described from the Birdie beach one. I knew who it was and what it was and I just went, oh, hi. Hi guys. I know I'm ridiculous, but I make myself laugh sometimes. But again it's coping and that never hurt me. And I got felt like I was physically pushed, although I was there was nothing there on the shoulders. Pushed back to bed, go back to bed, don't come out is what I could hear. So I went back to bed, it must have been whatever they do to Sedatus. And went to sleep. And when I woke up in the morning, I didn't remember however, on my way to work and I can remember the road, I was on the house, I was beside the suburb. I was in the time the day really clearly. And again off air. I'll give you exactly those dates if you want. And so on the way to work on the radio on the local radio station again. I can remember exactly the DJ and the radio station. So I rang. It, said there was a body found in a certain street behind a house, and it was sliced open, and there were no guts in it, and there was not a drop of blood to be found. And they didn't understand. So I then immediately rang the station, the radio station, and said, listen, I can tell you about that. It was behind my house last night. And it all came back to me. Then when they said it, it all flashed back. The woman on the phone said, I'll get the manager of the station. He came on and he said, we're not allowed to talk about it. They both sounded terrified and they hung up on me. So I rang the police. I said, listen, I heard on the radio that you found a body. It was behind my house. I can tell you what happened. The police sergeant that had just answered the phone for whatever reason said to me, verbatim, we know it is not human. Case closed. Bang, hung up on me, See it. No one wanted to know I could tell them what happened. It was a dead human. It was a murder investigation. No one wanted my statement. And I don't know now, in hindsight, no one wanted to interview me. So what happened was somebody, it turned out later, and I have to keep these stories a bit shorter, had tried to break into my house, and they'd intended to kill me and my children or they may have, or something like that, and the aliens had stopped them. So they don't kill, but they do kill to protect their own. And because my implant had come out, it must have gone all static, and they must have had that on their tracking equipment. And so they'd been alerted that something was wrong at my place. And whether it's coincidence they came or whether they saw that, I don't know. But that's what happened. I would willingly be interviewed by cops about that. But bizarrely, once again, any police I've ever told has believed me. So, all of these things aside, and I did go off on a tangent there, I'm sorry. In my grief and in my prayers and in my talking to Grandpa Graham and his him hearing me telepathically, I begged to understand. I had a million questions, and I voiced them in my head, and I metaphorically stomped around the house going, I've had enough of this. I want to understand, you know, how dare you do this to me and not explain what you're doing. I have the right to understand. Anyway, that night, went to bed Got taken, remember clearly that must have given me less sedation, if any at all. Went up into a small spaceship, flew up really high into the air, went into a massive light hole at the bottom of a massive mothership, parked the little ship, little taxi I guess in it, and got out. And Grandpa Graham took me on a literal tour of the mothership, which is the whole story itself. Every question I'd asked was answered. I saw things I couldn't possibly have seen on Earth. I met a teenage girl that was teaching Hybrid. I made up my granddaughter and I made up the name Humalian. We just ingest and it seems to be used now, so I'll just say Humalian. I saw a human girl that was teaching the Hybrid, the human children about Earth. And she had been witnessed on Earth. And I have a photograph of her in my book called Humalian. There's a black and white copy out now because it's cheaper, called humalion 2 tw o. Not the number and all the details of another ship visitor in there, but a quick overview. Grandpa Graham. I was in a ship that was really beautiful and to me very futuristic. But Graham said it was actually quite old and they old technology and they just desperately needed a new one. So the story, according to my questions and answers from Grandpa Graham was that they had lived on a planet not that far from us. Was it Mars? Was it not? Don't know. I don't know. People have just asked me that. But the planet had either been destroyed by a natural event or they had nuked themselves like we're threatening to do here on Earth. I don't know. But the planet was then unlivable and they knew it was coming. So they'd built this massive ship and taken all their best scientists and breeding people and genetically good people and people did the jobs they need. And I like it. To Noah's Ark. Noah's Ark ship to me. And in it was. Everything in the center was multi storeys high. I didn't count. You got to remember there's a lot going on. You know, some things I remember clearly, some things I forgot to ask. But in the center was park grass floating in the center and trees in pots. And above that was a light hole at the top too. So there's obviously artificial light coming in from the top and the bottom. And Grandpa Graham saw that. So we've got some oxygen and we're trying to keep parts of our planet alive. So this tree probably came from their planet, but it wasn't that dissimilar. To ours may have come from Earth, I don't know. But we're certainly not the only planet out there and we are certainly not the only life on planets. So just because we've got a different tree species or different shaped eyes, doesn't mean they're very much different to us. And that he said that was for the human children or the children or whatever to play in. And why are some on the ship and some on Earth? Well, there's no way of knowing what the genetic is going to do here on Earth. Mother, father, baby gets part of dad, part of mum, and you don't know which one they're going to look like. Well, same deal for the interbreeding. And so if they're human enough, they get to come back on Earth, live on Earth, and they get to be left in the mother's uterus. And if they're not human enough and they look alien, they have to take them up there to keep them living in their environment. But their environment is less oxygen, more carbon dioxide, colder, slower, their heart rate is slower, their blood pressure is lower, their breathing is barely. You can barely see it. These are just the nursey things that I observed and asked questions about. So then we got into these grand program. We were on one of the verandas and one of the questions I'd asked was, can you take me there for two weeks and let me stay with my children? And he said, well, you're not going to survive here in this environment for that long. And remember, I said, when I come back, I'm sick. Especially the longer it is, the sicker I am. So he showed me the room that they lived in and it was very minimalistic to say the least. No corners, made of a silver metal. I cannot. We don't have. Not aluminium, not silver, not mercury, not, I don't know, mixtures of three. An alloy perhaps, but something very smooth and beautiful. There was a bed in one corner and a window, a round window above it, which I could see the stars out of. And I certainly have not seen them like that on Earth, so couldn't have made that up. I was thinking that bed looks cold and hard. And so Grandpa Graham said, sit on it. So I did. And it wasn't even though it was metal, it was soft and spongy and not cold at all. And in the corner was just a few shelves, one cupboard, because I basically asked if I could bring my toothbrush and my hairbrush and a change of clothes. So I guess that's about all I could bring. But he said they don't have those needs. We had too many material things here on Earth, all of us. They just have learned not to need them or they didn't. I don't know. I guess they learned not to need them because they had to. And then we went to the next room and the next room was this little girl or teenage girl and that's where we went in the room. And this girl was sitting on a levitating stool I suppose, no legs. And there were all these toddlers sitting around and one of them was my granddaughter. And I didn't know that. I said my human granddaughter. But my soul knew that because I looked straight at her and grandpa Graham and said that's your granddaughter. So my human children have had children on the ship and she was so beautiful. They just, they are beautiful creatures really they are. Whether they're. I mean I have a theory that mixed genes on Earth, two different races produce beautiful children because they're clean genes and we're not interbreeding in villages like we did hundreds of years ago. Well, it's the same with them. Mix a human and a human and they're just stunning. They really are. They seem to get the best of both of us if they make it. Now I just will go on a tangent intentionally here. I saw in a well known Sydney hospital a gray, fully gray, fully formed, fully tombed alien baby in a jar of formaldehyde that had come out of a human woman. I was shown it by the professors in the hospital because they, because there's more to that story. I won't tell that online but. So I've seen these people physically and on my visits. I've seen them on earth and I've seen them in space, but it's my body, it is not an out of body experience. They are not clones, spirits, demons, monsters, cruel, they're not going to eat humans. They're none of those things. They're like the fact that some of my grandchildren are half another European country. That's all honestly. And once I understood all that, what was the fear? I see ethical questions in the breathing. I now know that when the foetuses are removed from the mother, they're put into an artificial womb in a big room and that's just horrible. And they're playing with babies lives and I know we're not all, but I'm anti abortion, anti anything like that. So grandpa Graham said to me, and I didn't know about this room until considerably later, he said, I didn't show you that at first. Because I knew it wouldn't. You wouldn't sit well with you. And he actually said, I'm really, really sorry. We've probably made you sick with all the time you're in space and the stuff we've done to you. We didn't intend for that to happen. But you do it to cows and rats and monkeys. Good point, but, you know, thanks. However, I wouldn't swap these experiences for the world. And I'd rather be sick and have had the experiences. They were just incredible. And I know people that will have ancestors that one day will live on Earth. Now, it's. Remember I said if I should draw a diagram, it'll link in. I could put arrows to things, but that if they were too alien, they'd have to go back and live with them because they couldn't survive on Earth. And if they were human enough, they'd let them live on Earth. Well, I have met or seen in the street several people that I recognize as human by traits, certain physical traits about them. And they look at me and we look straight into each other's eyes and can hear each other talking. Strangers in the street. Not a lot, but enough to know it's true. So their point, the gray's point, is to when they left their planet and lived in space, they lost their fertility, their ability to breed. So that's why they developed ivf, but it didn't work straight up. It's taken a few generations because of the different atmospheric pressures, oxygen, all the stuff I've already mentioned. So they're hoping that if you breed several generations down, eventually they're going to have someone that's part gray, but looks human, that can survive in our atmosphere without getting sick and also survive in their atmosphere without getting sick. Now, why is because they claim, or Grandpa Graham claimed, that their ancestral memories are all on their DNA. So they remember things from millions of years ago. They can access things that have already been learned, things that have already been studied. And they've got this massive library of. Just for the sake of visualizing, imagine a massive room several stories high, full of slides out of a lab. They're not slides, they're something else. But the walls are lined with samples of DNA. And he said, doing this is from all over the universe. Different planets, different animals, different plants. And that's why this is Noah's Ark and we have to keep this going. It's. We've got to. If you blow up Earth, which. And, hey, look what's going on in the world now, we lose our multiple generations worth of breeding experiments plus those of us that believe think that believe is not the right word no, think that there's probably been aliens on Earth for eons, thousands, even millions of years but this is just the one I'm talking about now the greatest experience that probably starred in Roswell so there's a reason for their experiments I've started with Sum up they're human like they're not human but they're very similar to humans I've gotten to know them as individual people and the ones I know are all different personalities as are we like our International Space Station astronauts doing experiments we're the lab rats Just fact They don't mean to harm us but they're trying to keep their race going and their information going and I think eventually it'll be fine I think there'll be humans walking amongst us working in McDonald's, working in architecture, jobs, whatever, whatever and it'll be like well, the best example I can do it'll be like when Captain Cook came to Australia, you know, the Dutch got here first don't start me and Captain Cook's men thought that the Aborigines were demons because they were very black and the Aborigines thought that Captain Cook's men were ghosts because they were very white and they were both wrong, obviously and obviously we can breed with each other and it's not just Aborigines, it's like all different races it's just that I'm Australian that's the best example I can give you so what I really want is for people to realise that these people, including my own biological children, however they were conceived or born very much people and I'm sure that in their race they have good and bad and I'm sure that demons exist too but they're not it but we've got the best of them doing as we do on the ISS We've got the scientists, we've got the educated ones and we've got the non criminal ones I also discovered that they have a no tolerance crime and anybody who does anything wrong just is killed Yuck. But that's what they do so they have a very good society working very well everyone's got a job, everyone eats they have communal eating rooms but private bedrooms Families live together they don't have money but they have a point system so they have to earn what they eat it's really, really organized and we could learn so much from them and I'm now 65 so a lot of what I saw was a long Time ago. And didn't. Things didn't exist on this earth. We didn't even have mobile phones, let alone ultrasounds, IVF endoscopies, light bending technology. A lot of that stuff has come true, but not all of it. I've seen a lot of stuff that's still not here, but it will be. And I don't think they're thousands of years ahead of us. I think they're only hundreds of years ahead of us. And I don't think they're brilliantly smarter than us. I think it's just that their slice of society, a slice of the pie, of the educated ones. But they certainly know a lot more than us, and they seem to have learned by it. And in my experience, they believe in a God, the same God as us. And they definitely have a soul. Thanks, Nick.

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Thank you for sharing all that, Jane.

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You're welcome. I hope it helps someone.

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Indeed it will. How do you feel?

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Fine. Because I know I'm telling the truth. I feel good when I do it. It's like. I feel like I'm a little bit nervous to start with, because I know it can sound nutty if you haven't seen anything, but I feel good after it. Because it's true.

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Exactly. That's what it's all about. If it happened, then there's no problem. Jane, do you think an abduction can be truly considered positive if a person cannot give informed consent?

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No. And even though I carry on in a happy fashion and like them, I understand the negatives, and that's part of my trauma, but I've worked through it, and other people are still terrified and don't remember everything. So, no, I guess it's not 100% positive, but the visit itself is. I like them, they like me. They're kind to me. They answer my questions. They're gentle, they're loving. There are doctors and nurses and scientists. But the honest answer has to be no. It's understandable that some people are frightened. And I would never have consented to them taking three of my children. So that's the other thing. I've just been through all the stages of grief, including anger. And because I was lucky enough to have studied that a bit and worked with that a bit, I was able to help myself with it, I guess.

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Of course.

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Yeah.

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People deal with it in different ways.

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They do.

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You said you processed it and you looked at it as if they were just somewhere else. Like a child living somewhere else. Did you ever give them names?

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Yes, I did. And they're all in the book, they've all got names. However, my Earth children in the book have fake names. And that's the only thing in the book that's fake nom de plumes. Because that's just not fair to my children.

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Yeah, of course. That's more than understandable.

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Yeah.

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And there's no, like my human children. It doesn't matter, does it? No one's going to go and find them unless they're in the know. So it was all right to put their real names, but they're just names I've given them. They have names in. In Grey language. I just felt I needed to see them as people, because they are. Yeah.

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Were you ever given an indication that you would ever see them?

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Yes, and I have. I have not enough, but I have seen them, so that helps a lot. I just wish they could come down here and stay for. Stay for a couple of weeks, or I could go there and stay for a couple of weeks. But I now understand why they can't and I can't.

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I mean, it makes sense, especially what we've heard over the years and what you've explained tonight. You formed a bond with one of them.

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I did, yeah. Well, Graham's just a bit of a joke, a play on Grey, you know, the colour G R E Y A M. You know, playing with a human name and that people call them the Greys. Just a joke and he thinks it's funny. And then the grandpa bit is. Well, he's old enough to be my. I think. I actually now think the end of it all, that he is. His DNA is in me somehow. Of course, I have Earth parents and, you know, human parents and human grandparents, but I think that it's further down the line in my family tree.

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Okay. And did he ever tell you, you obviously you've asked a lot of questions over time. Did he ever tell you how long this breeding program has been going and how long it will last for?

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Yes, yes and no. Yes, he. He told me that. I mean, I'm not. I am old in your book, but I'm not old enough to remember Eisenhower. And he did tell me that President Eisenhower made an agreement after the Roswell, and I think this is, well, not well known, but known with them to experiment on humans for the breeding program and in exchange for technology. And we certainly have gone ahead medically and perhaps in technology I don't know about on Earth. So they exchanged it for Tech, and Eisenhower allegedly gave them a list of junior, mostly English soldiers and they just, you know, took their babies and experimented on them. And people just thought they had a miscarriage. And so that's only, I don't know, four or five generations, but they have been here for thousands of years. They told me they saw the birth and the death of Christ and they saw the Great Flood and they saw lots of things that archaeologists have discovered since, so. But that's their ancestors, of course, Grandpa Graham's. Down the generations.

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So say officially, they basically started this with. With Eisenhower, but that would have been 1954.

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Well, I was born in 1961. That's the same year as the Betty and Barney Hill case, which I now know, which was the first recorded abduction witnessed by two people. Case, same year. And my biological father was a junior English officer and his brother was MI6 spy for England. And that, again, is provable. So that. But what Eisenhower allegedly said was, just make sure they don't know. And so they were sedating us and wiping our memories. But as time's gone on, people like me have stomped around and go, but I want to understand. And some of us they take without sedation, because I'm not the only one. And again, and I think I just got on really, really well with Grandpa Graham and we formed a relationship and he was happy to help me and try and apologise for what they'd done, but if I hadn't been a lab rat, I wouldn't have seen what I've seen or have met Grandpa Graham. And I'm not swapping that for the world.

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Yeah, You've developed and you've had these experiences. Obviously, in the very beginning, you didn't understand what was going on.

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No, I didn't.

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And you formed this relationship with him.

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Yeah.

[C]

And it does seem, if you go over a lot of many of the abduction cases and people I speak to, there seems to be a figure, whether it be male or female, that seems to connect with the.

[D]

Oh, wow.

[C]

Individual.

[D]

As it was explained to me, groups of children from beginning to end. And those are all around my age now, some older, some younger, but the same group. And they organize these groups and then they followed it right through, and they'll continue to follow it through until we die, because why would I be taken postmenopause? But anyway, I think that somebody's in charge of each of those groups and then somebody's in charge of the bigger project, much like we would. And then there's probably a CEO or whatever you want to call it. And we went into this room at one point just on the mothership. So this explains it. But and there were all these grays with their heads down, working on levitating tables, doing something. And one of them looked up, his eyes widened. They're magnificent eyes, I tell you. And he nodded. And Grandpa Graham was allowed to show me around. And no one else looked up. Now, whether. I don't know whether that was a respect thing, whether Grandpa Graham was the boss, whether the others were workers, whether the one that looked up was the next boss, I really don't know. But it all reminded me of the sort of hierarchy we have on Earth. So. And I also have somebody else. Two other women tell me that they think they know Grandpa Graham, too, from my descriptions. So I'm sure that you're right. But I hadn't. I mean, that's just my little circle. I hadn't heard that there was a main figure. But that would. That would make sense, wouldn't it, if they're all organized in groups, science groups. Do you know what I mean by that?

[C]

Maybe like a. Like a cosmic social worker, case officer, something like that. It's that, mind you, it doesn't happen in every account. It just seems to be the ones which there's been prolonged, multiple contacts.

[D]

I think, too, when I'm telling you this story, I feel love for a grandfatherly man called Grandpa Graham to me. And you can't imagine love. That's what I think. And you can't imagine loving your children, and you can't imagine different faces. And I've heard that human beings can't dream things they haven't seen at least part of, you know, like the seed of the scene that they're dreaming, or I cannot make up the feeling of love. You can't imagine. You can't love an imaginary friend. So I love Grandpa Graham. He's real. Yeah. And I love him in a very appropriate way.

[C]

Did he ever tell you, or did you ever ask where they originated from?

[D]

Yes. And he said I wouldn't know the name of the planet. There wasn't a human name for the planet. So he couldn't give it to me because I can't understand. Click, click, click. And I have wondered if it was Mars, but I didn't wonder that till I got back from visit. So it may or may not be, but it was that scenario he did say, like the Mars scenario. So, no, I haven't got a name. And the other thing I forgot to ask is people often say, did you see what they eat? No, but I forgot to ask, remember I said, they only answer what you ask.

[C]

Don't know when did you ask that? Were you a lot younger when you asked that?

[D]

No, I asked the mothership. And all this was only about just before I wrote the book. So about 2014, because I was stomping around in my head asking questions and saying, I deserve to understand and how dare they take me all these times and not explain what they were doing. So I came back going, wow, that was amazing. I was gone for 15 hours, so no wonder I felt sick. But I also came back thinking, oh, I didn't ask this and I didn't ask that. So I don't know if there'll be another opportunity. But that's what's happened.

[C]

A lot of people say that the abductions for the breeding program has ceased, but I still get accounts. And could it be that people that were originally getting it, you know, they've got older, you know, like. Like yourself. So could it be that it's still carrying on, but with obviously younger generations?

[D]

Well, I think that once. I've certainly been less times and seen more in the sky UFOs since I wasn't fertile. But I think that they go down the generations and you might have. This is not me. You might have four children and eight grandchildren and they might take one of your grandchildren regularly. So they're still following the DNA down the lines, but they're not taking everybody in your family. I suspect my grandfather might have been taken, but unfortunately he's not alive and I didn't have the courage to ask before he went. And I guess one of my grandchildren maybe now, or maybe one of their children will be. I don't think the breeding program's over at all because that's not how it works. They need to keep going until they can live on this planet. They haven't got another planet to go to, so they want their race on this Earth, or species, whatever you want to call it, and all their DNA memories on the Earth. So it can't be over yet, but it will be older people. You can't take me and breed me with me now. So that bit stops, but that doesn't. The visits might stop if you're not particularly interested. Cold emotionally, or don't remember much, but I'm enthusiastic and pushing.

[C]

It's something which is definitely going to take a lot of time. It's a bit like the evolution of animals, isn't it? It takes a long, long period of time.

[D]

Yep. I do know. Grandpa Graham did tell me that they were really, well, terrified is the wrong word, but very, very concerned about us destroying ourselves, as in Humans destroying the planet with nukes. And it will ruin not only all of their, however, eons, perhaps of experiments. They'll probably do it before Roswell. I don't know. That's just all I do know. And they won't have anywhere to live either. Plus, nuclear weapons reverberate out into space and knock all the planets off their track. But I also met and asked a retired old physicist if we had nukes big enough to destroy the whole planet. And he said, we do. We do. So as I've written in the last chapter of my book, in detail. When they told me, this man said, yes, that is absolutely possible. Now, I wouldn't have known that because that's not my field of expertise. So I don't believe the breeding program's over. I do believe we're threatening not only ourselves, but the rest of the universe, or at least the planets closest to us. And I think humans are being absolute idiots with this beautiful planet. And why do we get so many visitors from outer space? Because we do have a beautiful planet. We do have all these resources that they can't find elsewhere. We do have somewhere they can live, provided they just adjust their air needs. And we're very, very lucky. And here we are fighting with each other, killing each other and trying to blow up the, you know, the whole planet. And even just the missiles that have been going off in the last month or so or two months, I think now with American Iran and the Houthis and the Middle east, they're causing earthquakes and threatening tsunamis and all sorts of things. There was a, an earthquake just after all that mass. Lot of missiles went off last week. So they're really worried. And they've got a plan. They've got a plan to take as many of us and theirs as they can get off the planet if the nukes do go off. But you see and hear, I haven't seen this firsthand of incidents where a UFO comes in and blows some sort of blast at a missile going over to another country, and they've. They've thwarted it and stopped it. So pretty sure they're watching. And I think, I suspect, or I don't know if I was told, or it's just in my head for some reason that we think we've been here thousands of years. Humans, no, apparently we've destroyed the planet again and again and again. And each time there's a new Adam and Eve, a new human race, and it builds up all over again. And our DNA, we've only had DNA since, well, Only in the public, I think it was maybe the 50s, but in the public we've only known about DNA since the late 90s. With all these MyHeritage, Ancestry.com, all of these sites, there's an awful lot of DNA available to the government to test, isn't there? So I guess there's a lot of alien DNA mixed in that. And the more advanced we get with our DNA testing, the more we're going to realise that this is true. But hindsight's a funny thing, isn't it?

[C]

Isn't it just.

[D]

I didn't know this as I was going, going through it.

[C]

All human beings are generally destructive. So Graham obviously gave you all these warnings.

[D]

Yes.

[C]

And obviously all the stuff which has happened in the world. I think only last night there was a quite a big earthquake in Japan.

[D]

Yes, 7.7, which is. I've been watching.

[C]

Did they ever say that they. Anything was to happen nuclear wise, would they intervene?

[D]

Well, they've said that they can't. We have free will, all of us, don't we? I'm sure we all agree with it. They can't stop us behaving that way. But they are intervening bombs going off, so yes, they will intervene if a nuke goes up, if they can. But how many can they? People think they're some sort of gods or angels or spirits, they're just not better equipment than us. So this, there's a limit to what they can do. But they've got like an evacuation plan and a whole lot of what I can only call ambulance ships ready, because It'll take about 15 minutes to go from wherever the nuke goes off. It'll trigger tsunamis, earthquakes, whatever, all the way across the world. It's like a dominoes thing and it's about 15 minutes gets from one side to the other. So that's how long they've got to pick up a few people and keep their race and our race going. But let's hope it doesn't happen. They've said it doesn't have to happen, but they've got a plan because we're all idiots down here.

[C]

That's a good way of putting it.

[D]

Honestly.

[C]

You mentioned other abductees, other people that were aboard the ships that you. You've met. You've made contact with them.

[D]

Yeah, well, they've made contact with me because they saw me on an interview, otherwise we wouldn't have known about each other. That's right, I have. There's only three. There's only three, which is not that many. A lot of people say to me, I think I remember seeing you. I go, okay, that's fine. But there's only three that we remember each other, and one of them's overseas. Couldn't. We could never possibly have met. And we've kept in touch. And she just saw an interview and then went, rmbu. Right. Really clearly. That's just great when you've got multiple witnesses to the same thing. Because if people want to argue psychosis, you don't have two people having the same hallucination. It just doesn't work that way. Different brains. So it's not. It had to be a real event. Whether it's explained that way or another way, it still actually happened.

[C]

So you mentioned there was several people that you've seen aboard these ships. So there could be a lot of people out there which maybe don't have any memories of these experiences, or they have some memories and. But they don't share it. So there could be many, many people

[D]

there, because I'll talk to you online on messenger, but they won't talk publicly. And I have a reputation for never betraying anybody's confidences. There are. There's a lot of people remember but don't want anyone else to know.

[C]

Yeah, of course.

[E]

Yeah.

[C]

We feel the same on this show as well.

[D]

Yeah, so that's true. But it's a shame because if everybody that had the experiences spoke out, there'd be very little doubt.

[C]

Very little doubt.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So a lot of people. It's in time. When it's the right time, well, I

[D]

think I'll be long gone, but it doesn't matter. I'm starting something, and other people can take the baton. That's the other thing. Egos, people want to be the top dog, the one that knows the most, the one that can. I mean, I very often say I don't know or I didn't ask. They want to be the lead researcher, the lead abductee, and they don't want anybody else's story to come out. And it's not like that. We need all of the stories to come out. We need to work together as the human race, not an individual person. I'm sorry if that sounds a little altruistic, but I think that's our field.

[C]

That's the way it should be. And fortunately, there are people out there which. Which are like that. Yeah, you see, you certainly see it in this field, for sure. A lot of people having these experiences. So we need to get rid of those barriers which are holding people back. So Jane, what advice would you have for anyone listening out there which have had experiences very similar to yours, have had problems adjusting to what they believe has happened to them?

[D]

I would say we have an Internet now. Find other abjectees and talk to them. The details. Everybody's belief system is different. Everybody's perception is different. But there are key details that match. That's the biggest healer. The other one is do what I made myself do. Write your snippets of memories down and put them in chronological order and see what you get. Mightn't work for you, but it might. And if you. Let's talk to other people, if you can talk to other people that are abductees, you pretty well healed because you go see not just me. Or find the evidence, even if it's not for anybody else, like police reports, you know, for that body story that I told. Try and get other witnesses that saw the alien spaceship with you. You're not going to give it to anyone or do anything with it, but it's going to heal you because you're going to realize that if not just you saw it, then it's probably true. And I think the human problem, the very human problem, is when something is too scary, we just go bang. Denial. Can't cope. Don't want to remember, don't want to face. I just didn't want to deal with the grief anymore and wanted to be okay with it. So I just made myself and that's what I did. So find the guts. You don't have to give your name or tell the public, but find the guts to put it all down. Tell a trusted friend. There are plenty of people that don't believe me. That's their problem, and that's what you're doing. Will probably find the same, but you'll find more do than don't. I mean, I had a friend ring me up that I've known for years the other day and say, I finally read your book. It's been sitting there in my study and I had a cleanup. And he didn't believe in the whole thing. Doesn't believe in God, doesn't believe in aliens. That's fine. I mean, I don't. You don't need to agree with me to be my friend. And he said, I read your book. And he said, you know what? I believe you and I know you, and I don't know if I can cope with this. So stuff like that. Other people, you know, don't go for being famous. Just don't. Just go for healing yourself and Other people. And you think I thought I was out there trying to help other abductees only to discover I was accidentally helping myself? So try and help other people.

[C]

That's what it's all about. And, you know, sharing these accounts, it's liberating. It's not just liberating for the guest, the people listening out there. Jane, you're going to be helping other people just helps one person and that's, you know, that's job done.

[D]

Exactly. Just one person and then that one person helps another person.

[C]

Pass it on.

[D]

Yeah. So that's the reason I'm still going, even though I've had positive and negative feedback from people.

[C]

Well, you know, you're always gonna get that for sure. You never please everyone, Jane.

[D]

So no.

[C]

Now to our listeners. I. I met Jane quite, actually quite a while ago via a Facebook page. It's the same name. It's Humadian. And what I'll do is I will put links down below this episode and on the website. So certainly if you want to learn more about Jane's experiences and maybe, you know, maybe help yourself along the way, I will put Jane's feature Facebook for the page down below and links to her books.

[D]

If anyone wants to ask me questions, join the Facebook page. I'll do my best to keep up. I promise to answer all questions as I can, but not to be rude and ignore you. And the people that I mentioned that we saw each other on ships are on that page. So are a number of other witnesses. They just won't say who they are, but they often chime in and know something. And I wouldn't have them on there if they weren't telling the truth or legitimate. So it's helpful.

[C]

It's helpful, yeah. But, yeah, to our listeners, I will put all Jane's links down for the. It is a private page, so I'll put that link below and the link to Jane's book, so you can certainly check her out.

[D]

Okay, thank you. Get to know you a bit. That's nice.

[C]

Absolutely.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

You know, we've been talking for quite a while and we finally got the chance to get you on, which is wonderful. Okay.

[D]

I am sorry. That was my fault. No, don't.

[C]

Don't be silly. You won't be the first. Just when people are ready. Jane, I really appreciate you coming on, sharing that for our listeners.

[D]

Thanks, Nick. I appreciate you listening.

[C]

Thank you. Please keep in contact, Jane. Okay.

[D]

Yes, ditto. Yeah.

[C]

We will speak soon. Okay.

[D]

Okay, thanks. Bye.

[C]

Okay, bye for now, Jane. Well, that is all for this episode. Keep updated and connected with the show on X, Facebook and Instagram. And if you have an encounter that you'd like to share on the podcast, you can email [e-mail] or you can reach out to me via the contact page on my website ufocronicles podcast.com a big thank you to Jane for sharing tonight and thank you all for listening. I will be back next week. Till then, stay safe and keep watching the skies. Goodbye.