We Must Obey God Rather than Men

Summary

Podcast Summary: "We Must Obey God Rather than Men"

Ultimately with R.C. Sproul – Ligonier Ministries
Date: February 18, 2026

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Overview

In this episode, R.C. Sproul addresses the tension Christians face between obeying earthly authorities and remaining faithful to God's higher commands. Drawing on biblical principles and practical examples, Sproul and his co-host discuss when Christians must submit to human institutions and when, in faithfulness to God, they must resist—even at great personal cost. The conversation is grounded in Scriptural teaching and reinforced by concrete illustrations of obedience and martyrdom from church history.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The General Principle of Submission to Authority

• Submission as the Norm:
  Christians are to strive for a posture of obedience toward those in authority over them, even when it is inconvenient or challenging.

  • "We bend over backwards to be submissive to authorities, but we stand with ramrod defiance when the magistrate commands disobedience to God." — RC Sproul [00:00]

• Limits of Obedience:
  Submission is not absolute; when commands of authorities directly conflict with God's commandments, disobedience becomes a Christian's duty.

  • "We are always to obey those in authority over us unless that authority commands us to do something—" — Sam [00:22]
  • "—God forbids or forbids us from doing something God commands." — RC Sproul [00:34]

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2. Practical Applications: Family Authority and Its Limits

• Illustrative Scenarios:
  • Immoral Commands:
    If a husband asks his wife to do something sinful (e.g., prostitution), she not only may but must refuse.
    • "If the husband says to the wife, I want you to earn some extra income for us by turning to prostitution, not only may she disobey him, she must disobey him." — Sam [00:43]
  • Non-Essential Church Activities:
    If an unbelieving spouse forbids attendance at non-mandatory church functions, the spouse should submit.
    • "What should the wife do? She should stay home because God nowhere commands women to sing in the choir." — RC Sproul [01:06]
  • Essential Worship:
    If forbidden from attending corporate worship, the Christian must disobey.
    • "...you are not permitted to go to church on the Sabbath and join the corporate worship of the people of God? Not only may she disobey him, she—" — Sam [01:14]
    • "—must disobey him because God commands her to be in the assembling together of the saints." — RC Sproul [01:31]

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3. The Cost and Complexity of Obedience

• Recognition of Difficulty:
  The choices are often painful and costly when earthly and divine authorities are at odds.
  • "Do you see how this can be very painful and very costly when we are caught in this vice between two authorities that differ..." — Sam [01:38]
  • Christians cannot use obedience to authority as an excuse for sin.
    • "We can never use the cop out—'I'm just obeying orders' as a license—or an excuse for sin." — RC Sproul & Sam [01:47 - 01:57]

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4. Avoiding License for Rebellion

• Guardrails Against False Justification:
  The right to disobey does not extend to matters of mere personal preference, disagreement, or discomfort.

  • "...That is not a license to be disobedient just when we disagree with the authority, or if the authority is exploiting us, or if the authority is afflicting us, bringing us discomfort or inconvenience." — Sam [02:02]

• Biblical Example:
  Joseph and Mary’s submission to authority despite hardship is given as a model.

  • "How inconvenienced were Joseph and Mary in making that arduous journey to Bethlehem. But they submitted because God never commanded that Joseph and Mary be comfortable or be wealthy or be popular." — Sam & RC Sproul [02:23 - 02:45]

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5. The Christian’s Calling in Church and Society

• Summary of the Principle:
  Sproul reiterates the core position:

  • "...the general principle is we bend over backwards to be submissive. But we stand with ramrod defiance when the magistrate commands disobedience to God." — RC Sproul [02:45]
  • Understanding what God commands and forbids is imperative, or else Christians become like "sheep without a shepherd." — Sam [03:21]

• Warning Against Passive Morality:
  The danger of ‘herd morality’—unthinking conformity—is highlighted.

  • "We go along with what Nietzsche called a herd morality, doing whatever anybody tells us to do, when in fact there are times the Christian has to say no." — RC Sproul [03:24 - 03:32]

• Historical Church Example:
  The host references early Christian martyrs who refused to deny Christ, even facing death.

  • "There's a reason why the first century was a century where the blood of the Church became the seed of the Church's growth through the martyrdom of those who would not submit to tyrants who told them to deny the faith in Christ." — RC Sproul [03:32]
  • "With Job, we have to say, though they slay us, yet we will honor him." — RC Sproul [03:47]

• Final Exhortation:
  Christians are urged to prepare for times when faithful disobedience to authority is required.

  • "And so I urge you Christians to be prepared for that time when you have to choose obedience to those who command sin or obedience to Christ." — RC Sproul [03:56]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Ultimate Loyalty:
  "We bend over backwards to be submissive to authorities, but we stand with ramrod defiance when the magistrate commands disobedience to God." — RC Sproul [00:00]

• On False Excuses:
  "We can never use the cop out—'I'm just obeying orders' as a license or an excuse for sin." — RC Sproul [01:52 - 01:58]

• On True Christian Witness:
  "The blood of the Church became the seed of the Church's growth through the martyrdom of those who would not submit to tyrants who told them to deny the faith in Christ." — RC Sproul [03:32]

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Key Timestamps

• 00:00–00:34 — Principle of submission and its limits
• 00:43–01:38 — Family examples of rightful and wrong submission
• 01:38–02:02 — The pain and cost of obedience
• 02:02–02:45 — Discomfort and biblical submission (Joseph and Mary)
• 02:45–03:21 — Summary of main principle, importance of discernment
• 03:21–03:56 — Herd morality, church history, martyrdom, and Christian witness

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Conclusion

This episode provides a concise yet profound guide to understanding when obedience to earthly authority is called for—and when it must be set aside for unwavering obedience to God's commands. Through Scriptural wisdom and practical illustrations, R.C. Sproul equips listeners for those inevitable moments of decision, urging a spirit both of humility and of courageous faithfulness to Christ above all.

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Transcript

[RC Sproul]

The general principle is we bend over backwards to be submissive to authorities, but we stand with ramrod defiance when the magistrate commands disobedience to God.

[Sam]

We are always to obey those in authority over us unless that authority commands us to do something.

[RC Sproul]

God forbids or forbids us from doing something God commands.

[Sam]

If the husband says to the wife, I want you to earn some extra income for us by turning to prostitution, not only may she disobey him, she must disobey him. On the other hand, a woman is.

[RC Sproul]

Married to an unbelieving man and the.

[Sam]

Man says to her, you may not go to that church on Wednesday night and join the choir. What should the wife do?

[RC Sproul]

She should stay home because God nowhere commands women to sing in the choir.

[Sam]

I plead for it, but I can't command it. But what if the husband says to the wife, you are not permitted to go to church on the Sabbath and join the corporate worship of the people of God? Not only may she disobey him, she.

[RC Sproul]

Must disobey him because God commands her to be in the assembling together of the saints.

[Sam]

Do you see how this can be very painful and very costly when we are caught in this vice between to.

[RC Sproul]

Authorities that differ and we can never.

[Sam]

Use the cop out.

[RC Sproul]

I'm just obeying orders as a license.

[Sam]

Or an excuse for sin.

[RC Sproul]

But the other side of it is this.

[Sam]

Just because God gives us the right and the responsibility to disobey. When an authority over us commands us to do something, he forbids or forbids us from doing something God commands. That is not a license to be disobedient. Just when we disagree with the authority, or if the authority is exploiting us, or if the authority is afflicting us, bringing us discomfort or inconvenience. How inconvenienced were Joseph and Mary in making that arduous journey to Bethlehem. But they submitted because God never commanded that Joseph and Mary be comfortable or.

[RC Sproul]

Be wealthy or be popular. And so again, the principle, that's the general principle is we bend over backwards to be submissive. But we stand with ramrod defiance when the magistrate commands disobedience to God. That's why it's very important for us to understand in our daily lives what it is God commands and what it is God forbids.

[Sam]

Otherwise we are like sheep without a shepherd.

[RC Sproul]

And we go along with what Nietzsche.

[Sam]

Called a herd morality, doing whatever anybody tells us to do, when in fact.

[RC Sproul]

There are times the Christian has to say no. There's a reason why the first century was a century where the blood of the Church became the seed of the Church's growth through the martyrdom of those who would not submit to tyrants who told them to deny the faith in Christ. With Job, we have to say, though they slay us, yet we will honor him. And so I urge you Christians to be prepared for that time when you have to choose obedience to those who command sin or obedience to Christ.

[Podcast Narrator]

Thanks for listening to Ultimately with RC Sproul. This is a podcast from Ligonier Ministries. For more information about Ligonier, and to discover thousands of free resources to help you grow in your Christian faith, visit ligonier.org.

[Sam]

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