Sean Callaghan (2:36)

Mr. Brady, thank you.

Tom Brady (2:37)

Thank you.

Sean Callaghan (2:37)

Thank you.

Tom Brady (2:38)

So that was amazing, by the way.

Sean Callaghan (2:40)

And I think completely accurate and appropriate. I wouldn't expect you to say that, but I do believe that. So, before we started, I joked about my incredible disappointment in this remarkable place, the Card Vault, that you're launching here in Las Vegas, literally today. And again, it's such an honor and privilege to have you here, but I'm so crushed that my jets have, like, one card in the entire store and no helmet here. So. This is a man who has tortured me throughout my life. And the truth is that I used to root against you vehemently. And then as I matured and I began to understand mastery, I was inspired, I was led. And when you went to Tampa Bay and the transition occurred, I rooted for you so deeply in my heart and soul to do what you did. Appreciate that. Yeah. And I was blown away by what you created. 24 years old, winning your first championship, 43 to last. Thank you again, Mr. Brady. And how do you feel about being in your store and the impact you're creating in all these different ways? You know, what's on your heart and mind today. Please.

Tom Brady (3:45)

Thank you so much for the introduction. And it's such a unique opportunity for me to be here and talking to you. And we all have our unique journeys that allow us to get to certain places in our life and our career and to connect with people in different ways. And I was able to do that in one way on the football field, and I think people could see that on the television screen every weekend. And my love of the game, my love of the teammates, and now when you transition to another part of your life where I'm not wearing the helmet and really engaged with one team all the time, I'm able to be out there in the community more often and hopefully making a positive difference and impact in a lot of different ways. And I do it on television, in a broadcasting role. I do it with different speaking engagements. I do it through businesses like Card Vault, where we can connect with people that weren't just football fans, but are fans of sports, fans of community, fans of people that inspire you to do different things. And I'm only at this place in my life because of the people that came into my life and impacted me in a positive way. And I've learned from so many people on my journey, and I just want to give back to the people that have committed to me. And hopefully, if I can continue to inspire people to reach for their goals and their dreams, well, that's a great legacy to live.

Sean Callaghan (5:09)

Amen. And so, Mr. Brady, one of the things that we leave.

Tom Brady (5:12)

Can't call me Mr. Brady anymore. Tom, please.

Sean Callaghan (5:15)

Thank you.

Tom Brady (5:15)

Thank you.

Sean Callaghan (5:16)

I would never take somebody whose identity is that large and presume anything, so thank you. That's gracious of you. So one of the things we cover a lot on the Unblinded podcast is the concept of what we call actualization, the combination of consulting, telling people what to do, training and coaching. What Mr. Miyagi did for Daniel San, what Herb Brooks did for, of course, the amazing Miracle and Ice Team, Mike Tyson customato. And of course, you have all these folks you've just noted that have had this impact on you. I do deep research. I get very prepared for the privilege of a moment like this. I know your dad was one of those people, of course, and Coach Belichick and many others. But if we could start there. What do you see now about that journey that's maybe different than what you saw as a teen college player at Michigan coming to the NFL? Please.

Tom Brady (6:07)

I think perspective is an amazing thing to have in your life, to look at where you're at, and then when you reflect back on the different experiences of your life and the people that came into your life and how they impacted you and how you realized that you could never accomplish things in life of significance without the help of other people. And I feel like I've been so fortunate to be on great teams, and I've had great teammates that push me every day to hold myself to a standard of accountability that has been very unique. And I know that accountability is so important because when you wake up every day and you have great purpose and you're around other people who have great ambition, and my only motivation was, how do I not let the people down that are counting on me? And when it was easy, when it translated into football, that's your coaches, your teammates, the whole organization, all your fans, your family. You have a name on the back of your jersey that you represent, which is your family name. And you have a name on the front of your jersey which represents the town you're in, the community that you're a part of, and the team that you play for. And there's nothing that ever changed my motivation over a period of time. And in fact, because I had success in my professional career, at an early point in my life, I realized that that was only motivation that I ever needed. It wasn't about, you know, a contract. It wasn't about anything material. It wasn't about fame. It wasn't about. It was just, how do I not let the other guys around me down? And how can I represent my family in the best possible way? And I took that approach throughout my playing career. I take that approach in my life beyond my playing career, too. And the things that I commit to. I want to do a great job. I want to commit my full self in those moments to be very present and to go out every day and try to say, okay, well, this is how I can do my best today. And, you know, I just. The people that came into my life, and I'm very fortunate to have met some of the coolest people that have the most unique upbringings and unique life. And I look at the things that have happened in their life and how they mentored me to teach me things that I never would have known had they not been in my life. And now I get to meet other people and I get to make an impact. So whether it's a podcast, whether it's a speaking engagement, a speaking appearance, whether it's something like our Card Vault store here, that brings together so many amazing people that I've met that want to be connected to something. And this is so authentic to who I am, because this is what connected me to all the kids in my neighborhood growing up was trading cards and we would swap cards. It was a big part of our life growing up. And I realized the impact that this hobby made in my professional football career. So it's like now I get to impact and travel around the different cities, broadcast games in different cities. And I just see the impact that kind of we made on a much more of a far reaching scale.

Sean Callaghan (9:07)

Thank you for that and for all that you have done and continue to do, and I wish you all the best with Card Vault as Las Vegas opens up today. Yeah, and we're in the vault, like hanging out. So growing up, your dad home, what were the lessons that were there? How did that sort of merge into what happens at Michigan? And then we'll come up to Coach Belichick and again in service of people. And this is sort of the frame I come from very often is the moment in the Karate Kid where Daniel loses trust from Mr. Miyagi, who has nothing but the best of intentions and believes that Mr. Miyagi's using him for his own devices. I asked this question of Mike Tyson about customato and I was shocked. Mike Tyson said he never lost Belief and trust in customato. It was the first time I've ever heard any human say that and went deep on it. How was that for you growing up? I know your Dad. I know Mr. Coach Belichick. What'd that look like in the formative years before you win the first Super Bowl?

Tom Brady (10:10)

So I was the youngest of four kids, three older sisters, all hugely impactful in my life and as a kid to realize the importance of family and the stability that it gave me through the ups and downs of my early athletic career, of my early childhood. Like, my parents were so supportive of everything I did. I was just like the normal American kid that just loved sports and wanted to play. And then I had this mom and dad that it was like an unrelenting confidence that they had in myself even when I didn't have it. And I was kind of a late bloomer to football. I didn't really start playing until high school. I played on the street with my friends. And The San Francisco 49ers was such a great team growing up that I love the sport, but I also love baseball, I love soccer, I love golf. And when I started playing football in high school, we weren't very good, but. And as I fell in love with the game through my freshman year in high school and my sophomore year, if.

Sean Callaghan (11:13)

I have one quick question on that. So how gifted or not were you? Uniquely, genetically?

Tom Brady (11:19)

Not very gifted. Not very gifted. I was very much a late bloomer physically. But there were some intangibles that I had that I think we're very unique, that I would like to try to take credit for my competitiveness and for my work ethic and for my desire. But I think those, I was born with, those like, you don't take credit for your height, you know, you don't take credit for your eye color. I think there's other things and traits within you that maybe we think about willpower or determination or discipline as something that is nurtured in us, maybe to a degree. But I think there's a pretty strong baseline I had in those areas that maybe people couldn't recognize then. But I always remember when I was in fifth grade, I was going to the gym, doing jump rope and push ups and sit ups and like, that's not normal for kids. So I was very blessed just being born in the family I was born into. And I was cultivated by a great work ethic by my parents and a commitment to family and a commitment to one another that gave me such a great foundation. So I go into my Athletic career, and I'm a late bloomer, so I'm not as good as the other players. I'm not as good as the kids on my own team. I'm not as good as the guys in the league.

Sean Callaghan (12:23)

You were not the best player in a high school football team?

Tom Brady (12:26)

No, I mean, it took me a while to get there. My first year, I was the backup quarterback on a team that didn't win a game. Didn't even start. Didn't even start me in a game. Barely played me. And our team never won, So I was so shitty, they didn't want to play me on a team where we couldn't win a game. I was starting at the very, very, very bottom.

Sean Callaghan (12:43)

And this is on your freshman team?

Tom Brady (12:44)

My freshman team. So my second year, I try out for junior.

Sean Callaghan (12:47)

So Tom Brady did not start?

Tom Brady (12:49)

No.

Sean Callaghan (12:49)

This I didn't. I did a lot of prep work. I didn't find that. Did not start on his freshman high school football team. A winless freshman high school football team. This is my favorite fact I have learned yet. Crazy.

Tom Brady (13:02)

So I go to my second year, and I start on the junior varsity team. Because the guy who was a starting freshman quarterback, my friend Kevin Krzysztofiak, he quit football. He's like, I'm not playing football. We stink. I'm gonna play basketball. So I elevated to the starter position just by happenstance, and I really got improved and got better. But we still weren't a great team my second year. But I was falling in love with the game. I had coaches that really cultivated the love of the sport in me. I had parents that were supportive, that wanted to facilitate my growth by bringing me to camps in the summertime because I was like, hey, I really love football. My dad was like, hey, let's go up to this camp at the College of San Mateo. There's a football coach up there named Tom Martinez, God rest his soul. He passed away in about 2012, and he took a liking to me because he saw my work ethic and said, God, I can work with this kid, and he can improve a lot. So I go into my junior year much improved. I was growing into my body. We were a decent team my junior year, I think six wins, four losses. And I go into my senior year and had another similar type year. But I still wasn't as good as a lot of the other kids in the Bay Area where I grew up.

Sean Callaghan (14:11)

Which is a hotbed of athletic talent. In the country.

Tom Brady (14:15)

Yeah, in the country. And it's good in baseball. I was Actually a better baseball player growing up than I was a football player. Much more natural as a baseball player. But I loved football. I loved the teamwork, I loved the camaraderie. I loved just being involved in this team sport because football is like an orchestra. There's so many moving parts and everybody plays a role. And you can't play a role that someone else is playing because you have a very important job yourself. I'm a quarterback. I can't catch the ball, I can't block people, I can't tackle people. I just have to do my job well and I have to count on my teammates to do their job well in order for us to be successful. So because I had perspective from my first year where I didn't play when I was playing as a fourth year player and a senior. I had so much love of the game because I love being out there competing with my teammates.

Sean Callaghan (15:07)

Wow. And how. So how do you get to Michigan with sort of this background? Like, what's that? Like, what does that all look like?

Tom Brady (15:13)

There was a regional scouting combine at St. Mary's College in Moraga and also in the Bay Area in the East Bay. And I drove over there because you wanted to gain some awareness by these other coaches. And it wasn't the digital age at that time. It was just you had, people had to visualize you and see you. So you would go to these regional camps and you would perform in these camps and there'd be write ups that would go in these little scouting booklets. And after that first combine that I went to, where you throw the ball and you show off some of your skills, well, these coaches start to recruit you. So I would start getting these recruiting letters from different places. And my dad and I made some cassette tapes of my highlights from my junior season and we sent them out to colleges. We made 50 of them. And one of the tapes I sent to the University of Michigan so they get the tape. They also see some of these write ups that are coming from me, from these regional combines that I did. And I would say I got lightly recruited. It wasn't this heavy recruitment where every team in the country wanted me. There were teams that were interested, like Cal Berkeley offered me a scholarship. I was really considering going to Cal Berkeley and University of Illinois offered me a scholarship. The school I really wanted to go to was usc, but they didn't want me. There was another kid by the name of John Fox who was the top rated quarterback on the west coast that they wanted and he went there. So Michigan in The spring of 95.

Sean Callaghan (16:47)

Came and with the competitiveness and the evolution beginning, how did you feel about that? Were you inside? Was it burning? And I read a little bit about when the draft was happening and how you would feel a couple years later. How were you feeling in this college process and about things like John Fox and USC not being interested. How was that landing on you and what was it causing inside?

Tom Brady (17:08)

I always had maybe another blessing in my life was I had maybe a very naive confidence in myself. Like it wasn't a well founded confidence. Like I had done enough things in my life to be really uber confident in football. We weren't that good. I was a late bloomer. I had, I had some size, I had a good arm, but I didn't perform consistently well. I made a lot of good throws, but I made some bad ones too. So. But I always in some ways in my mind felt like, well, I'm going to figure it out, you know, I'm going to keep going. Of course I'm going to play in college because that's what I want to do. Like, why would I not? I mean, I want to play. There's going to be a team that wants me. So Michigan ends up offering me a scholarship, which I thought was a long shot. And I was a bit surprised. I took my visit there, really fell in love with the school. And I kind of in a way chose Michigan because it was the toughest path to success. And I chose a difficult place to go that had a high level of competition because I always thought if I want to be the best, I got to beat out the best. And that's where Michigan is, where the best quarterbacks are. And it had the history of great quarterbacks like Elvis Gerbach, Todd Collins, Jim Harbaugh. This is what Michigan football was all about. And there was a great coach there named Bo Schembechler who used to preach the team, the team, the team. And that's what I wanted to be a part of. So I go to Michigan and there's six other quarterbacks on the team. When I arrived on campus, which is not totally different than probably a lot of other schools, but I was the sixth or seventh my first year on the depth chart.

Sean Callaghan (18:47)

Wow.

Tom Brady (18:47)

It's a long way to go to being the starter.

Sean Callaghan (18:49)

And they were gonna suit you up though. They're gonna carry six or seven quarterbacks.

Tom Brady (18:54)

They carry you because there's about a hundred guys on the team in college and I was a first year player and they red shirted me and I had to grow into my body again. I was still physically behind my wrist. But when I committed to Michigan and I showed up on campus in late July of 1995, I was only 17 years old. So I wasn't an 18 year old, 18 and a half year old kid.

Sean Callaghan (19:21)

A lot of kids today, Prep school is 19, 20 years old.

Tom Brady (19:24)

Exactly. So my body was still catching up to the other guys. In fact, one of my freshman locker mates was Charles Woodson, who ended up winning the Heisman Trophy in 1997. I remember he took his shirt off in the locker room on the first day, and I looked over at him and I was like, holy shit, that's what a college athlete. And I looked at it myself and I'm like, oh, my God, he's in another level league than his own. And he certainly was. But I had a lot of catching up to do because of what he looked like and how he played. And he had this crazy confidence in himself. And it was good for me to be around a guy like that because he inspired me to work harder to be better. So my first year I red shirted. Didn't play my second year. This is a crazy story. We're playing ucla. We. We're blowing them out. And of course, now I'm eligible to play because I already used my red shirt year. So I'm like the third or fourth. Fourth quarterback on the depth chart. We're smashing UCLA. It's the end of the third quarter, we're beaten by like 40 points. They look over at me and they go, brady, you're going in the game. Of course I got in Michigan Stadium, 110,000 fans. I know this game is being televised nationally because it's ucla, Michigan. Strap my helmet on. It's the last play of the third quarter. I hand the ball off, quarter ends come to the sideline. They say, we're going to throw a pass. I'm like, okay. They said, what do you want to throw? I said, I want to call trips left, Lake, Hank S. Okay, trips left is the formation, Lake is the protection, Hank is the route. And the S means I'm going to run a skinny post on the backside of the formation, which was like kind of a play where I want to show off my arm strength. So they come up in A coverage and they give me this opportunity to throw this backside S route. And I want to show off to the coaches that I can look off to the front side, plant my back foot, and then rip this skinny post to the backside to one of my big receivers.

Sean Callaghan (21:34)

All right?

Tom Brady (21:34)

I run on the field, get in the huddle. I call the play, trips left, Lancang s on one. Ready, Break. Break the huddle. Come to the line of scrimmage. They're playing the perfect coverage for me to throw this backside quick post, ball snapped, drop back. I look off the front side, plant my back foot, look at my receiver, throw the ball, gets caught and run in for a touchdown. Except I throw it to the middle linebacker for UCLA, who goes 45 yards untouched. Interception return for a touchdown. On my very first college pass, I thought, there is no way this team is ever going to play me ever again.

Sean Callaghan (22:18)

Wow.

Tom Brady (22:19)

So I went in the. Literally, I was horrified. I felt so bad. The next day I go into the team meeting our head coach, Lloyd Carr Brady. We ever put you in the game again, and you do that, you're never playing in that stadium ever again. And it was a very humbling experience for me. And I had to go back and I had to earn the trust back from my coaches and back from the other teammates that I had that if they put me in, I'm going to make the right play. So it was a very inauspicious, humbling start to my college career.

Sean Callaghan (22:49)

But I think things worked out.

Tom Brady (22:50)

Yes, over time they did.

Sean Callaghan (22:52)

So can we take you to. Thank you for that unbelievable story. So what I'm hearing Tom Brady say is it doesn't all start out perfectly. The development, the acceleration, the things we confront in life with masterful people freeing us up and getting real confronts from the people around us. So thank you for that. The draft 199, sixth round. How are you feeling as that's progressing that day?

Tom Brady (23:16)

Yeah. So I end up having, I would say, a very good college career. I finished my career as a starter, 20 wins and five losses at Michigan. I won two bowl games. I thought I improved a lot over the course of my college career. And I dealt with a lot of adversity in college. And again, I go back to my early childhood and I had a great work ethic, very competitive, had a great foundation to deal with success and failure because of my parents. Total unconditional love and support from the people that mattered most in my life. Then I go to college, a long way from home. And I grew up in California. Now I go to the Midwest, freezing cold, long way from home. This is before cell phones. I can't just, you know, call my parents up with things. So I had to grow up. So I go through my college career, I have a good career, and now I'm like trying to go to this pro level. And again, what was another blessing I had, like I said, I was very naive. I thought, like I did in college, well, yeah, I'm going to go to college and I'm going to play. And then it was like, okay, well, now I'm going to go play pro football. Of course I'm going to play pro football. Like, why would I not? Didn't everybody see how good I did at Michigan? And the pro scouts didn't exactly see it the same way. The pro scouts were like, this kid's skinny, doesn't have a great arm, doesn't move very well in the pocket, goes down easily. And in fact, I had a challenging fifth year in college where I kind of platooned at quarterback with a younger player. So a lot of the pro scouts thought, well, if Michigan doesn't want to play Tom, well, like, why would we want him? Michigan wants to play another player, Drew Henson. And I played a lot my senior, but they see him every day in practice. He might must not be that good. So I thought, man, I'd overcome a lot, played well, I should go like a second or third round pick. And the pro scouts again, just didn't see it that way. So I go to the draft, and it was again, very different time than today's day and age of the draft, which is, you know, all the media attention, all the hype, it was just kind of a little bit under the radar. It happened on a Saturday, Sunday. The first three rounds were on a Saturday. The second rounds, four through seven, were on Sunday. So on Saturday, I go to a San Francisco Giants baseball game to take my mind off the draft because I kind of didn't think I'd be a second or third round pick. I thought maybe third, but I'll probably go on the second. So I go to a Giants baseball game and to take my mind off it, of course I don't get picked. So I go home on that Sunday and I'm like, all right, this is my day. Fourth round, who's going to pick me? Fourth round comes and goes, then the fifth round comes and goes. Sixth round is getting to the very end, and I'm like, I don't know if I'm going to go anywhere. Maybe I, you know, maybe I'm going to have to not play football anymore. Maybe I have to be. Go sell insurance like my dad. That was his job. And fortunately, The Patriots picked me 199th pick overall and. And I didn't even know where New England was when I got drafted. I Was, I was a, I grew up a Niner fan. I was in California, you know, again, I didn't know my geography, the United States. But New England is not a state. You know, when they pick you to the New England Patriots, I'm like, where is that? Not knowing that it's in Massachusetts. And I, I figured it out pretty quickly where I was going after they picked me. We had a minicamp shortly thereafter. And out of all the places I could have went, it was an absolute perfect fit. And again, that's just happenstance. You could be picked to a lot of other places, but I got to go to New England. Bill Belichick's first year, one of the greatest coaches to ever coach the Mount Rushmore coaches.

Sean Callaghan (27:11)

Right after being head coach of my jets for one day.

Tom Brady (27:13)

I know one day he resigned on a napkin that said, I no longer, you know, I'm resigning as the head coach of the, of the New York jets and ends up going to the Patriots. Coach Belichick had a lot to prove. He saw something in me where I had a lot to prove. And it was a match made in heaven. And he took me under his wing. And another crazy story. I was really responsible to get drafted by the New England Patriots by a coach by the name of Dick Rabine. Dick Rabine came to the University of Michigan. He was the quarterback coach for the Patriots. He worked me out, came back and reported back to the Patriots. Very good workout. He's definitely a prospect. Nobody else worked me out. Washington Redskins at the time worked me out. So New England comes in. Dick Rabine's my quarterback coach and Dick Rabine. My first year in New England, we didn't have a very good year. 5 and 11, we go into my second year and in training camp, Dick Rabine is jogging on a treadmill and has a heart attack on the treadmill. Passes away in that moment. And it was heartbreaking for all of us. And we really dedicated our season in 2001 to coach Rabine. And because he couldn't, obviously, you know, he wasn't the quarterback coach. We didn't have a quarterback coach. Coach Belichick became the quasi quarterback coach. And he would come in and instruct the quarterbacks. This is how we're going to read defense. This is how we're going to, you know, read coverages. This is how you're going to understand formations, shifts, motions. I'm going to teach all you quarterbacks how defenses are called. And it was just such an eye opening experience for me to have Coach Belichick Come in as our, as our quarterback coach. And again he took me under his wing, he embraced everything that I was, he knew my strengths and, and we developed a very special relationship over that time.

Sean Callaghan (29:21)

And you start that season not as a starter, Drew Bledsoe gets hurt and then a minute later, I'm sure there's 800 things that happen in between. You're winning the Super Bowl.

Tom Brady (29:31)

Yeah.

Sean Callaghan (29:33)

What was any reflections as that was happening on how improbable that was coming as a six round pick and going back and not starting as a freshman high school? How much do you reflect at that point on your life? What's happening, what's happened, how does that land for you? Or you're just like, hey, like, you know, I knew I was going to work, I knew I was going to get here, like, what is it like?

Tom Brady (29:53)

So of course when I wanted to go to college, like, yeah, I'm going to go play college football. Of course I'm going to play Michigan. Yeah, I'll go take on the other guys. Then at the end of my college career, well, of course I'm going to go play pro football. So like that naive confidence I had in myself obviously continued. So now Drew gets injured in week two, the Sunday after 9 11. Two Sundays after 911 and we're playing the Jets, Drew gets injured. And when I ran on the field I thought if I ever get my chance, they're never going to take me off the field and of course we're going to do well because that's what I knew how to do. I had worked really hard to put myself in a position to succeed. I got my opportunity and I wanted to do a great job with it. And the moment wasn't too big for me. I played at Michigan. There's 110,000 fans in Foxborough Stadium. There was only 65,000. It was a small venue compared to what I was used to in college. So I end up playing for, you know, week two. We lost the game. We start the season 02. The next game is the Indianapolis Colts. They're undefeated. We are hadn't won a game and it's my first real start. And one of the great stories about that game was we ended up beating the colts really bad. 40 plus points to like 17. They had Peyton Manning's on the other side of the ball of course. I'm so enamored by Peyton Manning because I thought he's like, you know, the guy that I looked up to even though he was just a year older than me. I went up To I saw Peyton in pregame warmup, but I went over to him and I said, hey, shook my. Put my hand out, hey, Peyton, I'm Tom Brady. He goes, yeah, I know who you are. And I was like, holy shit, Peyton Manning knows who I am. And we ended up intercepting two passes from Peyton Manning that day that were run back for touchdowns. One by my teammate Otis Smith, who was a cornerback, and one was Ty Law. Coach Belichick comes into the locker room after the game and he wants to give out game balls, and he gives out two game balls, and he says, one game ball is for you, Otis Smith, not for your interception return for a touchdown, but for your block that you made on Ty Law's interception return for a touchdown. And he said, the other game ball is for you, Ty, not for your interception return for a touchdown, for the block that you gave to get Otis Smith into the end zone on his interception return for a touchdown. And if you think about that, that is the ultimate team sport, football. The glory doesn't go to the person who makes the play. It goes to all the guys who contributed to a teammate making a play. That's what I loved about the sport. I throw a touchdown pass, and, yeah, it was great. Everyone's talking about, oh, Brady throws it to Gronkowski, Brady throws it to Troy Brown for a touchdown. I wanted to celebrate with the offensive lineman. I wanted to celebrate with the guys who are blocking for me up front. It's just, that's the sport. And the more we can get back to that, the better the sport's going to be. It's always about us. It's always about we. It's not about me and life. Whether it's a successful business, family, sports team, it's always about us. What can I contribute? They're energy givers and they're energy takers. The more people that can give energy and you wake up every day going, how can I serve you as my teammate? How can I serve you as my partner? How can I serve you as my parent? Like, that is the best way to go about life is how do you serve other people and how can you give back? And that's what the foundation of our team was built on at the Patriots over a very long career. We won the super bowl that first year, and because of the values created by the team and the culture we built, that continued on through the early part of my Patriot career. And then those values really began to just become so rooted in everything we did. It was always about the team. It was Always about serving each other as teammates to go out there and be the best we can be. And that's what I valued more than anything in sports.

Sean Callaghan (34:05)

Amen. So from that place, if folks are listening out there in our final couple minutes here together, what would you want them to know about how they could trust the people? Whether it's a coach, a boss, a leader, how they can trust people or not. Right, because there's leaders that aren't serving the team and growing and effective, and then there's people like you played for and mentored you. What would you say to people about that and difficult decision? The moment of Daniel San, the Cobra Kai Johnny thing, and then The Daniel and Mr. Miyagi thing, you know, Johnny shouldn't have been listened to. It looks like the Cobra Kai people like, how. How would you. What advice would you give to people about discerning leadership and, you know, being coached and led by people?

Tom Brady (34:48)

So I think trust, trust is built up through shared experience and communication. And I would say pure intentions and people can manipulate people through life and tell people what they want to hear in order to get something that they want, which is not my style of communication. I believe that leaders should always do two things that are critical to success and critical to leadership. You should care about the people that you work with, and you should care about the mission that you're trying to accomplish. If your individual personal agenda supersedes either of those two, you're never going to be defined as a great leader. When I see people on TV talking about I and me as it relates to teams or corporations or I think, yeah, that's not going to work. Because great leaders always give the credit to others. And great leaders also take the blame when things don't go right. And that's how you endear yourself to a group of people. In fact, you should always point the finger back at yourself. You should always think about any critical evaluation about something that doesn't go right, should always start with yourself. What can I do better? What could I have done more of to support the cause? What could I have done? What did I learn from this experience? And then you try not to repeat it. And we're always going to make mistakes. Life is about making mistakes and learning from them. In fact, if you push the limits and you try to do things that are very challenging, you're going to fail. And the reality is, within yourself, when you do fail, what kind of resilience do you have within you? What have you built up within yourself to try to solve that problem through Failure, that if you do solve it, you can gain a tremendous amount of self confidence and self esteem because you realize that you are the solution, that you're not a victim, that you're someone. That if you work hard, if you are humble, if you have self awareness, if you have a growth mindset and you have a relentless work ethic to figure these things out, you will overcome it. You aren't a victim of your circumstance. You are the solution to your life. It's your choice, it's your day. What do you want to make of it? Yeah, you can choose whatever you want. Every day we got opportunities to choose and it's up to you. It's your life. Whatever you want to choose, you can do. You can go for it.

Sean Callaghan (37:24)

Well, thank you for that final question. After quick acknowledgement, what you did when the transition happened from Patriots to Tampa Bay, I think it was one of the most remarkable stories in the history of sport. 7 Super bowl, all these other incredible people didn't win without those coaches and you did. And I have 9,000 questions to ask, but we are at time. So this final question. You're competitive, you have a heart, you have a why and a purpose never ending. You feel the fire inside of you. Tom, what do you still compete at and what does it look like if it's 100 years from now and it's your final day on this planet? What happens from this day to that day that you want to add to the preposterous legacy, amazing, masterful legacy you've already created?

Tom Brady (38:12)

So I want to. I think the competition is me versus me. It's myself today versus the version of myself yesterday and the improvement that I can make on a daily basis, whether it's physically, mentally or emotionally to live the life that I want to live. And every day there's different priorities. You know, it's funny, sometimes I work out in the morning, I talk to my therapist after that, and then I go work on my career stuff after that. So in some ways I work on my physical, I work on my emotional, and then I go work on my mental. And that well rounded part of me allows me to live the life that I want to live and continue to push myself. And I think, you know, many years from now I hope that I've surrounded myself with people that push me to hold myself to a high standard and I push them to hold themselves to a high standard too. That again, when you have the fortunate things that have happened in my life, I realize how blessed I am. And then I think, how can I continue to be a good example for, you know, myself and others. And I have kids that are the light of my life. They motivate me and inspire me every day to be the best dad that I can be. And then I work with other people that I've committed myself to, and I want to be the best I can be for them. And whatever I say I'm going to do, I want to follow through and do awesome.

Sean Callaghan (39:37)

Well, it has been an honor and a privilege to be with what I will call the greatest leader and winner in sports history. And I know there's complex ways to measure that and somebody that was the bane of my existence as a Jet fan. To sitting here, massive gratitude. Wish you all the best. Of course, with the card. Bolt.

Tom Brady (39:56)

Thank you.

Sean Callaghan (39:57)

Everything you do, the world needs leaders like you. One of the greatest leaders on planet earth.

Tom Brady (40:02)

Thank you, Mr. T. Thank you very much.

Sean Callaghan (40:03)

Thank you.

Tom Brady (40:04)

So great to meet you.

Sean Callaghan (40:05)

So great to meet you.

Tom Brady (40:05)

And you keep up the great work as well. You're doing amazing things. Great job.

Sean Callaghan (40:08)

Thank you, sir.