John Aziz is a British Palestinian musician who has come into the public spotlight since October 7th for tweeting out for peace and against Hamas. In this conversation, we unpack why it’s so controversial for a Palestinian like John to be pro-peace, the trauma both sides aren’t acknowledging or addressing, and the overly-simplified, ironic, Star Wars narratives of the Western Left. Follow him on X and read John’s article in The Atlantic here.

On the agenda:

- John’s Background [0:00-08:37]

-The Challenge of Advocating for Peace [08:38-18:34]

- The Trauma on Both Sides [18:35-24:51]

-Why is so hard to speak out against Hamas? [24:52-29:59]

-New Ideology, New Leaders [30:00-38:36]

-The Star Wars Ideology of the Western Left [38:37-54:33]

- LGBT+ in Gaza [54:34-1:01:03]

- "I'll Debate Anyone" [1:01:04-1:02:51]

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