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Welcome to Uncovered. It's Wednesday. I'm Anthony. He's Ron. Together we uncover the MAGA propaganda that is not covered by the mainstream and corporate media. Ron, in our bid to avoid World War three, I thought we should start by discussing Iran. We are hearing a hot range of contradictory things from our Supreme Leader, Donald Trump. The media doesn't really know which direction to go with it. Europe is confused. The G7 meeting, he left early and they're confused. Keir Starmer, UK Prime Minister doesn't really know what Trump's plan is, but Trump seems to think that he knows, but he doesn't want anyone else to know. So maybe we should start with the background on this. What I know you describe as potentially a holy war on behalf of the Republican Party.
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B
So, yeah, so really, there's two layers to this. One would be Trump's justification for the war and how this has played out. And then the second part is his supporters and how they're coming at this and how they're approaching the whole issue of Israel and the Middle East. So, regarding the justification for the war, what we have here is the US Intelligence community and Tulsi Gabbard, who is the Director of National Intelligence, testified before Congress in March only a couple months ago and said that Iran is three years away from. From being able to develop a deliverable nuclear weapon and they do not have intelligence that they are actively engaged in trying to make one right now. That was what she testified to Netanyahu, who has been trying to get us into a war with Iran since 1996 on this issue. He has repeatedly made television appearances and testified in the US Lobbying us to make a strike on Iran, saying that they are about to develop a nuclear weapon at any time very soon. He's been saying this for 30 years. So he has been telling Trump that what our intelligence community is saying and what Tulsi Gabbard testified to is wrong and that their intelligence, of course, is showing that they're about a nuclear weapon is imminent, which of course are randomized. Now, certainly I'm not sitting here saying we should necessarily believe Iran, but what I am saying is we shouldn't necessarily believe Israel either, because they have every incentive in the world, especially Netanyahu himself personally, to get us involved in a war with Iran on their behalf and to provide them additional weapons to do that, additional missiles, etc. Etc. Etc. Air defense systems, all of that.
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Well, the gear that they don't have, because in order supposedly to get to this, this kind of uranium enrichment site, which is Buried under a mountain. They're going to need our B2s and B52 bombers and stuff like that.
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B
Correct, correct. And so, you know, we were in the middle of peace talks. In fact, there was a meeting scheduled the following day with Steve Witkoff, the special envoy in Turkey. I believe it was where they were supposed to meet up. And that was all a ruse, according to Trump, that he. He misled them into thinking that there was going to be peace talks and peace negotiations, when, in fact, he knew all along that Israel was going to launch this attack. So, you know, that undermines our credibility as peacemakers and as negotiators, because every nation that negotiates with us now will want to know, are there are. Is this to.
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C
Does this.
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B
Are you calling a meeting because you want to attack us? You know, and you're trying to lull us to sleep. Like they can't believe what. What we're saying anymore. Nobody can. I'm not just talking about Iran. So. So that's. That's basically Trump's justification. And. And the question is, why? Why does Trump want to do this? Because, you know, look, he just got done bombing Houthis for a month. I mean, who know, who knows what his motivations are or his agenda is? I highly question that. It has to do with stopping a nuke. I think that this more has to do with him being the strongman, him wanting to project power, and him just. He loves bombing people. It's. His kind of war is to launch missiles and bomb other people.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And not really consider the implications of that.
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A
Yeah. I was reading up this morning about, just to mention Yemen for a second. And apparently Trump has killed nearly as many civilians as 23 previous years of US attacks on. On Yemen.
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B
And. And do you think he loses a minute of sleep about.
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A
Not for a moment. Not for a moment.
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B
He doesn't care.
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A
No.
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B
So, yeah, I mean, so. So. So that. So as far as this goes, that's where Trump is going at it. And the problem is, is that he has sold his supporters on a MAGA doctrine, you know, a MAGA foreign policy doctrine, which is, for the most part, isolation. No. No more wars. No more bombings.
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A
Yeah.
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B
He told them during the campaign he was going to end the war in Ukraine in 24 hours. He's going to end Gaza in 24 hours. There's going to be no new wars, no new conflicts. That he was such a strong, tough negotiator and such an intimidating presence to the world leaders around the world that nobody would dare start a. All he would have to do is look at them and say a few words, and they would back down. That's. That's what he said repeatedly, and his supporters believe that. And so now that he has launched this, you have a significant chunk of the MAGA base. I mean, the polls are showing anywhere from 20 to 30% of Republicans. Republicans disagree with US involvement in this, but that is a higher percentage. If you narrow this set down to the MAGA base, I think it's 50, 50 or more of MAGA who was opposed to this. And so you have these different factions, and they are just going at it tooth and nail because they believed what Trump said in the campaign, that there would be no more wars, and we're in wars all over the place.
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A
It's always a contradiction for me, the fact that Trump's like, we have the biggest military, the greatest military. We're having a military parade, but we don't want to be in any wars. And so it's almost like the threat and the reality are two very different things. We'll talk about the military parade a little bit later. But actually, the timing of the military parade kind of for Trump was he wanted that to play in. So this vision of him as a strong man because he is trying to assert his authority. I mean, the threat that he has put forward to the Iranians is he wants an unconditional surrender. Well, they don't really know, and, in fact, nobody really knows what that actually means. Yeah, what are they surrendering from exactly? Are they supposed to leave Iran like the Palestinians are supposed to leave Gaza? I mean, what. He doesn't really understand the foreign policy to that point. Apparently, he hasn't even read any of the briefing documents. I'm of the opinion that this is him looking for his moment. He wants to win a Nobel Peace Prize.
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B
He.
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A
He is. He is trying to find something that he can put his stamp on and. And flex his. His muscles in front of the world. And, you know, of course, Bibi Netanyahu wants this and, as you say, has wanted this for decades. You've also got Mohammed bin Salman, who wants this in Saudi Arabia, who is probably pressuring Donald Trump as well.
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B
The Arab states have no love for Iran, right?
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A
So. So he wants to be a dictator. He wants to be in that group. I mean, we saw how he was with his allies the moment he left the G7. He was criticizing the French and, you know, being completely inappropriate. Maybe we should be asking, what does Vladimir Putin want here? Because maybe that's who he's taking his orders From.
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B
Well, a lot of Vladimir Putin's drones come from Iran. You know, I mean, he, they are his client state. Yeah. And, and, but the problem is, is that, you know, for him is that he is up to his eyeballs in his own war. So he, he really doesn't have the resources or the time or, or anything to help Iran out here. So as far as the timing goes, I mean, it couldn't be worse timing for Iran for this to happen. But you know, the other interesting issue here when you're looking at, you know, Republicans going at it and MAGA going at it, as I have watched, is, you know, you have these isolationists, no new wars, you know, your classic traditional Bannon Tucker, Matt Gates though, you know, Marjorie Taylor Greene on that side of things. But then on the other side you have your, your evangelicals who support Israel for biblical reasons. And you have, you have a lot of the, the right wing neocons like Lindsey Graham and Ted cruz who Mitch McConnell want to bomb everybody all the time, no matter what. Yeah, no matter what. And then you have, you know, the cultists who are just like whatever Trump says is right and he's God and I'm gonna go along with whatever he says because Trump knows best. So you have all these different factions going at it, but the one that's most interesting to me is the religious faction and that's just because, you know, I've had seen these influencers and these pastors and all this stuff talking about Israel for years in terms of this. And Mike Huckabee, who was our U. S. Ambassador to Israel, is one of, has been one of the leading proponents of this biblical theory of supporting Israel. Which is, which is basically that the Bible says that if we, if, if the world, the Christian world doesn't support God's chosen people and Israel, then we will be condemned to hell. That, that, that is, is. It is a biblical prophecy that we must support Israel no matter what. And for them, that, and the fact that Jesus is a Jew, you know, who is from Judea, is the reason why they back Israel. It has nothing to do with geopolitics, what's in our national interest. It is biblical. And, and that is such, so strange to me that, you know, it's one thing for an evangelical pastor to believe this, which I or a Huckabee, but to hear it today from Ted Cruz is really shocking because I really think that so many of them do believe this in Congress, but they won't say it out loud. And Ted said it out loud because he was in a heated debate with Tucker Carlson, trying to fend him off. And he knows that Tucker Carlson is a Christian. And so I think he thought by making that pitch to Tucker that that would appeal to him. When instead, Tucker was shocked. You know, he's like, what are you talking about? You're basing our foreign policy on this passage of the Bible.
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A
There's also no mention of the fact that the state of Israel was created in 1947 by the Americans and the British. And, you know, that wasn't in Genesis. Let's take a look.
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D
Growing up in Sunday school, I was taught from the Bible, those who bless Israel will be blessed, and those who curse Israel will be cursed. And from my perspective, I want to be on the blessing side of things.
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E
Of those who bless the government of Israel.
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D
Those who bless Israel is what it says, doesn't say the government of. It says the nation of Israel. So that's in the Bible. As a Christian, I believe that.
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E
Where is that?
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D
I can find it to you. I don't have the Scripture off the tip of my. You pull out the phone and use the.
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E
It's in Genesis. So you're quoting a Bible phrase. You don't have context for it, and you don't know where in the Bible it is. But that's like your theology. I'm confused. What does that even mean? Tucker, I'm a Christian. I want to know what you're talking about.
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D
Where does my support for Israel come from? Number one, because biblically, we are commanded to support Israel. But number two.
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E
Hold on, hold on. You're a senator and now you're throwing out theology. And I am a Christian and I am allowed to weigh in on this. We are commanded as Christians to support the government of Israel.
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D
We are commanded to support Israel and we're told.
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What does that mean?
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E
Israel.
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D
We're told those who bless Israel will be blessed.
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E
But what. Hold on. Define Israel.
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This is important.
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E
Are you kidding? This.
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D
This majority Christian country, define Israel. Could. Do you not know what Israel is? That would be the country you've asked, like, 49 questions about.
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E
So that's what Genesis. That's what God is talking about, the nation of Israel?
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D
Yes.
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E
And he's. So does that. The current borders, the current leadership. He's talking about the political entity called Israel.
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D
He's talking about the nation of Israel. You had nations exists, and he's discussing a nation, a nation. Was the people of Israel.
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E
Is the nation two in Genesis. Is that the same as the country run by Benjamin Netanyahu?
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D
Right.
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A
Now, where was this Tucker Carlson over the last 30 years? Who is this new Tucker Carlson?
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B
Well, yeah, Tucker has evolved over the years on quite a lot of different.
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A
Issues because he's been criticizing, in fact.
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B
Yeah, 20 years ago, he was for making a, an attack. He was for bombing Iran 20 years ago. So, sure, I mean, yeah, he's changed his position, but, I mean, this interview was pretty devastating for Ted. I thought, you know, I thought that. Well, first of all, half of the interview was Tucker arguing with Ted about Ukraine and Putin, where he was taking Putin's side. So it was like the first half of the interview is like Ted was the good guy, you know, pushing for Ukraine. And then the second half is like the roles reversed to me, you know, and Ted just went full nutjob on, on Israel. And look, I'm not, I'm not anti Israel in any way. I think that there are many good arguments, many good arguments why the US should support Israel, should help Israel provide aid, why they're helpful to us in the region, why they have been historically and all, all of that stuff. And, and setting aside the fact that I believe the last thing I saw was there are 300,000Americans who have become Israeli citizens who live there, who went from the United States to Israel. That's a lot of Americans that live there. So there are deep ties, obviously, between the two countries.
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A
But there's the nuance when we start.
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B
Quoting the Bible as the reason why and when we're blindly letting. Writing a blank check to someone like Benjamin Netanyahu. And, and my fear is, the way it looks like to me is that he is unilaterally taking steps without notifying the United States, and then we are blindly endorsing those actions that he takes. So Netanyahu is dictating our foreign policy. That's what I have a problem with.
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A
Netanyahu is also himself wanted for war crimes by the International Criminal Court, although, like Trump, he's not recognizing it. He is down for corruption charges like Donald Trump, and he's managing to swerve those as long as he stays in office because he has immunity. The parallels are very similar with Trump. And arguably, I mean, a lot of the Israeli press is suggesting that, you know, Netanyahu is just trying to cause a distraction again to try and get people on side because of his own personal issues. He doesn't want to go to prison either. I want to play this clip that you kind of referred to earlier of Netanyahu over the years, this compilation of him claiming that Iran is enriching the plutonium and is potentially making a bomb. This is. He's been saying the same stuff as you say since the. The 1980s. Let's take a look.
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The deadline for attaining this goal is getting extremely, extremely close. And Iran, by the way, is also outpacing Iraq in the development of ballistic missile systems that they hope will reach the eastern seaboard of the United States within 15 years. By next spring at most, by next summer, at current enrichment rates, they will have finished the medium enrichment and move on to the final stage. From there, it's only a few months, possibly a few weeks, before they get enough enriched uranium for the first bomb. The foremost sponsor of global terrorism could be weeks away from having enough enriched uranium for an entire arsenal of nuclear weapons. That would place a militant Islamic terror regime weeks away from having the fissile material for an entire arsenal of nuclear bombs. If not stopped, Iran could produce a nuclear weapon in a very short time. It could be a year, it could be within a few months, less than a year.
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A
It's quite a compilation. I said plutonium earlier. I meant uranium. I was watching Back to the Future last night. That was, of course, the Libyans. This combined with Donald Trump's desire to be, like, buddies with his friend Bibi, because this relationship, it's almost like, you know, we've talked before about how he, you know, he connects with. With people who are of, you know, cut from the same cloth. And, and so he does have this connection in the same way that if Jeffrey Epstein was alive, he'd probably be vice president. And this is a problem, isn't it? Because, you know, his allegiance is ultimately not with the United States of America.
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B
Yeah. And I mean, as you see in those clips, I mean, obviously what Netanyahu, he's addressing American audiences there. He's trying to scare the shit out of Americans.
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A
Yeah. Playing to the guy, because he wants.
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Us to fight this war for him. And he's been at it for 30 years, you know, and so, you know, Trump has a lot of people around him that have. That are also pushing for this war. And Trump has his reasons. Reasons, his distraction reasons for wanting to go to war, aside from the fact that he really enjoys blowing things up.
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A
He was going to do it during his first presidency. He was desperate to bomb Iran then, but he was held back.
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B
Yeah. And they're now, instead of the people holding him back, he's got people telling him, go, go, go. You know, but. But, you know, it's interesting. The people inside the White House and the people in Congress are Telling him, go, go, go. But his base, his voters, right. Are saying, no, no, no. And the question is, does he really listen to them anymore? Because I'll tell you what, this is yet another thing, along with the Musk stuff, along with a lot of other things, the RFK stuff, all these things that he promised them, prosecuting all these people, putting Fauci in jail, Epstein stuff. None of this stuff that he's promised his most rabid supporters have happened. And now the Republican Party is going to ask those people to show up to the polls in the midterms.
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A
Yeah.
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When they're thoroughly disillusioned with Trump and he's not even on the ballot. Good luck to them.
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A
I. I have a feeling that he doesn't really think he needs his base anymore. I mean, other than rinsing them for $5 personally. Right.
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B
His party needs them, his party needs a bit.
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A
He's got to the place where he wanted to be. He's got his immunity from the Supreme Court. He has control of the Congress and the Senate. We should probably mention Congress in a minute because we should remind our viewers that an act of war requires ratification by Congress. And of course, there's been no mention of Congress being involved at all here, not just for this, but for pretty much anything that Trump is doing. Right.
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B
This is a good point you make, because there is another faction, and the faction is in Congress, and it is led by, I mean, it's a very small faction of, like, Rand Paul, Thomas Massie, a handful of others who are adamantly opposed to any president exercising this kind of authority without going through Congress. I mean, we have something in the Constitution which says that Congress can. Must declare war. Right. I mean, and so, and then we also have the War Powers act, which was passed after Vietnam, which requires the president to go through Congress and follow certain steps before using force. I mean, and Trump here again, is just ignoring that, ignoring the War Powers Act. Now, he's had some of his neoconservatives running on Fox and everything, saying, you know, well, the War Powers act is unconstitutional. Well, you know, here again, they disagree with a law that's been on the books for decades. So rather than challenge that law, they just are choosing to ignore it. And there's only like two or three Republicans in Congress who will do anything about that. Meanwhile, you also have Fox. Now, keep in mind, Fox in 2022, and I went back yesterday and looked at their coverage from the, The Gulf, from Iraq, when they were trying to get us to go to war in Iraq. And it was 247 wall to wall in 2002. We need to go to war in Iraq. On Fox, they beat that drum every single day as a guest or as a host. You could not appear on Fox if you were against going to war in Iraq. And so they conditioned a huge segment of the American public to get behind it with using the pretext of the WMDs. And here they are doing it again.
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Literally.
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B
If you look at Fox programming, you cannot, there is not a single host, not one of their entire 24 hour programming day who is against this war in Iran. You cannot find a single guest appearing on any of their shows who is against the war. So despite the fact that 30% of the Republican Party is against this, 0% of Republicans on Fox News are against it.
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A
And remember, about 30 members of Fox News now work in Trump's cabinet. So that kind of gives you an example. He's basically Fox now pretty much is the US Administration in terms of, I mean we haven't spoken about Pete Hegseth yet, but he's been remarkably quiet on this even though he was in the doc earlier being quizzed. I want to play this clip though from Mark Levine, who on Fox pushes the argument as he always has and always does. Let's take a look.
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B
Yeah. So where are they? They're nowhere. How about China? Nowhere. How about Russia? Nowhere. What happened to World War 3? There is no World War 3. They all sound like a bunch of Marxist Islamists. They don't sound like patriotic Americans. Let me be clear. This is good versus evil. You're either a patriotic American who's going to get behind the President of the United States, the Commander in Chief, or you're not. One other.
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A
Yeah, he fricking crazy. This is the problem though, isn't it? That this idea of patriotism, you're either with the President or you're not. Again, it doesn't take into account the kind of democratic process for going to war, whether that be Congress or whether that be, God forbid they should ever ask the people what they think because this stinks, as you mentioned, Iraq. This stinks of Iraq. Weapons of mass destruction. You remember them, you know, the inspectors going in coming out saying we can't find anything. Saddam Hussein doesn't have any weapons. Saddam Hussein kept quiet, of course, because it was all propaganda from his perspective. And the reality is that obviously the, the regret for that war now is, is basically, you know, every, everybody pretty much agrees that that was a, a terrible move. A million of us marched in London. I remember, not much good that did. So this is just history repeating itself.
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B
It is. And, and you know, Mark Levin has never met a war. He didn't want to get us involved. Just like Lindsey Graham.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And the thing about it is, is that no one in the Fox audience likes Mark Levin. Like nobody. Nobody. He's not interesting, he's not entertaining. They don't like him. He's not likable. His voice is bad. Everything is bad. He's not a person who would normally be on tv. There's no other network that would hire him. Why is he there? Because he's Sean Hannity's best friend. I mean, and so Hannity has been like his agent over the years where he has lobbied the network to give Mark a show. Fox has never wanted to give Mark a show because he's terrible. So they gave him like some part time weekend show so he, you know, to make Hannity happy and placate Levin. Even though, like no one in Fox want. No, none of the Fox viewers want to hear from Levin. So what have they done this week? They've put levin on like 24 7. He's on all their primetime shows. And that, you know, is one of the things that Tucker and others have been complaining about. It's like, you know, you keep putting these warhawks on all the time, round the clock and, you know, a big chunk of your audience doesn't agree with them. I mean, couldn't Fox put on a couple of other Republicans in the Trump base who are against the war? No, they will not put a single one on their, on their air right now. It's the same thing after the election. You know, they, they didn't put one single person on in November of 2020 who wouldn't say the election was stolen until they got sued.
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A
$787 million. Small price to pay. Let's. You mentioned Mike Huckabee. Let's talk about him for a second. He's the special envoy for, he's our ambassador to Israel. Our ambassador for Israel. So he sends a text to Donald Trump. Trump is so thrilled with this text that he decides to repeat it. He posts it on Truth Social. It's pretty small. I'll read it out if I can. Mr. President, God spared you in to be the most consequential president in a century, maybe ever. The decisions on your shoulders, I would not want to be made by anyone else. You have many voices speaking to you, sir, but there is only one voice that matters. His voice. I am your appointed servant in this land and I am available for you. But I do not try to get in your presence often because I trust your instincts. No president in my lifetime has been in a position like yours. Not since Truman in 1945. I don't reach out to persuade you, only to encourage you. I believe you will hear from heaven. And that voice is far more important than mine or anyone else's. You sent me to Israel to be your eyes, ears, and voice and to make sure our flag flies above our embassy. My job is to be the last one to leave. I will not abandon this post. Our flag will not come down. You did not seek this moment. This moment sought you. It is my honor to serve you. I, Mike Huckabee. This is the staff run of. Of. Of. Of a cult. This is an extreme level of what's kind of. Of sycophants to the point of danger, claiming that the word of the Lord, the voice from up high, is the one that will decide whether or not to bomb the shit out of Iran. That's basically what he's saying, that God.
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B
Wants us to go to war with Iran for Israel. And, you know, the. The strange irony in all of this is, you know, Israel is not Christian, right? I mean. I mean, there are Christians in Israel. But. But the point is the. The people, the majority of the people who they want. They want to defend as Christians, they want to defend them because we are. Because they are Christians. Because, you know, America is a Christian country, the way they view. So we must do it because that's what God commands us to do. But Jewish people, like, they. They don't believe that Jesus is the son of God. You know, they think he was a false prophet.
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A
So.
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B
So we're defending them for biblical reasons, for. Because, see, here's what I think. I believe that if Jesus was Greek, that they wouldn't care about Israel. Yeah, this is the point. They would care about Greece. It would be obsessed with Greece. Literally. The only reason why they care about Israel and want to do whatever Netanyahu says is because Jesus was a Jew.
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A
And also they feel that they. When they die, that they want to go there, like that's where they're going to be. That's their calling. That's the end game for a lot of these people. The Holy Land, the land of Israel. But the problem we have here is that Netanyahu is not Israel. Netanyahu is not really representing the Jews or the people of Israel. He is representing himself.
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B
So many of the Jewish, they have to just laugh at these. I mean, they have to just to themselves I just think they have to snicker like they're helping us because they're Christians and we don't even believe what they believe. I mean, on the most fundamental question of their religion, it's just got to be to me, like, if I was like an Orthodox Jew living in Israel, I would say, well, I'm glad you're helping us, but it's kind of bizarre your reason for doing so.
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A
And meanwhile, Trump is on these universities for anti Semitism, which is, you know, a false flag there as well. So it's, it's convenient. The, the Jewish state is, is convenient. But ultimately, what Netanyahu wants, want, what Mohammed bin Salman wants and what Donald Trump clearly wants is to just, you know, bomb the, out of the Iranians. And the problem is that the retaliation that the Iranians are good at is they can attack. They're very good at, you know, brainwashing people in other countries. I think the Brits just spoiled a plot of like 22 potential, you know, suicide bomb events or something that was going to kick off in England. And, and they just foiled this plot. They found them, found a bunch of guys in a cafe and got them. But this is how Iran will retaliate and it will make America less safe. But I don't think Trump realizes that. He, or just thinks it's like, do they have any troops? Do they have any missiles that can come far enough? But, but Iran is smarter than that. And, you know, they train people over long, they play a long game, a bit like the Russians. And so, you know, they have their underground militia in these other nations that they can activate whenever they want.
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B
Yeah. This is not, this is not Afghanistan.
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A
No.
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B
You know, Iran is an ancient country who was far advanced of Europe a thousand years ago.
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A
Yeah. This is why unconditional surrender is not.
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B
Something they can do in mathematics and science and literature. Their society was far advanced of Europe in the Middle Ages. And so, yeah, this is a country of 80 million people, educated scientists, all of that. And they have people all over the world who live in foreign countries, including this country. So, yes, I mean, it's one thing Republicans say, oh, you know, Israel, they, I mean, Iran, they can't, they won't be able to attack us. And, well, you know, they're not going to do it in a conventional way. Yeah, they're going to do it with a terrorist. And so, I mean, I was even saying the guys last night were saying what they were most worried about in this war happening over there and blah, blah, blah, blah. And you Know, US Service people getting killed or whatever. And I said, look, my greatest fear is a domestic terrorist attack in the United States. That is a big one.
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A
You know, we haven't mentioned, Ron, we haven't mentioned that there was an Iran nuclear deal that was in place that was working, that Barack Obama signed, that was preventing the Iranians from enriching the Iranians from enriching uranium. And Trump tore it up. He tore it up because a Barack Obama did it. And anything that he can tear up that Obama did, he will. He clearly didn't read it or knew what was involved. The effort that Obama went to to.
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B
Get, he said he was going to negotiate a better one.
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A
Right. Which never happened because he ain't no deal maker. And, and so this is, this is where we're at now is that Trump destabilized the region by tearing up the agreement and now is claiming to want to negotiate. Well, you don't negotiate with terrorists, apparently. That old, that old adage. So this is just a mess of our own making.
- [33:53]
B
Yep. I mean, you're right. We, we certainly set the stage for this. And you know, we played right into Netanyahu's hand. I mean, this is like his number one wish list. We talk about, you know, what is, what has been Putin's dream for 30 years to break up NATO. What has been Netanyahu's dream for 30 years to have the US join them in a war against Iran.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And here we are. Donald Trump is helping accomplish both.
- [34:22]
A
You know, I don't know, maybe we should just talk about the, the G7 for a moment because it's, it's very much connected just to clear the for a second. And it did look very fresh out there in, in Alberta, Canada, didn't it? When they were standing on that little podium and those beautiful mountains behind. And I was like, that's the world I want to live in. You know, that beautiful fresh air and mountains and silence. Like, give me that place. Trump didn't want to stick around there for very long. He felt quite uncomfortable there.
- [34:52]
B
Right, but Trump doesn't like anything nature related.
- [34:55]
A
Yeah, but Trump doesn't like to collaborate. This is the thing. He doesn't like to do talks, he doesn't like to engage with people.
- [35:04]
B
He wants to go in and say, this is what we're going to do.
- [35:07]
A
Right. And I think a lot of this comes from a deep understanding of his, that he is the least smart person in the room. He is painfully insecure about how dumb he is. And he knows that whilst he's got these world leaders in a room that he's just going to look like an idiot. So the less time he can spend with them, the better. I mean, you saw the scene where he drops the papers with the. Supposedly the agreement with the European Union, as he called it, except it was the United Kingdom and he was with the UK Prime Minister. I mean, it was embarrassing. He actually looked like a. Kind of. Just looked like a kind of bad grandpa in that moment. He didn't look like a world leader at all. And, And Keir Starmer kind of picked up these papers. There was nothing even written on them. Just goes to show, like, everything is performative, everything is for show. And. And so Trump got the hell out of there with some weird excuse.
- [36:01]
B
Well, he went. He went because he has to go because it's. We're in the G7 and this is like the annual meeting, so he's got to go. Yeah, but he saw the agenda and he wanted no part of it. And a large part of the agenda was Ukraine and, and other things, and trade agreements and no tariffs. And, you know, obviously that's not his agenda. So, yes, rather than hash things out or negotiate or cooperate or whatever, that's not Trump style. Trump is an autocrat. He wants people to just do what he tells them to do, and these people are not going to do that. So he comes up with some lame excuse where he acts like, you know, we're about to bomb Iran, major war is about to break up, so he has to rush back and meanwhile, literally nothing happened. Nothing happened that night. Yeah, nothing happened the next day. So I wake up, I'm like, oh, maybe it's coming in the. Their time is. They're, whatever, 10 hours ahead. Maybe it's. Maybe it's going to happen in the middle of the night. Yeah, no, it didn't happen then either. So literally nothing happened. So he left there for no reason whatsoever. He showed up, he complained that Putin was kicked out of the, the G8 by Obama and others.
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A
He.
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B
He claimed that Justin Trudeau was the one who was behind it when Justin Trudeau was not even the Prime Minister at that time.
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A
Right.
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B
So, I mean. And then he left.
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A
Let's take a look.
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B
Putin speaks to me. He doesn't speak to anybody else. He doesn't want to talk because he was very insulted when he got thrown out of the ga as I would be, as you would be, as anybody would be. He was very insulting. And I mean, he was thrown out by Trudeau, who convinced one or two people, along with Obama he was thrown out, and he's not a happy person about it, I can tell you that.
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A
I mean, it is remarkable that the President of the United States is basically a messenger boy for the Kremlin. And, I mean, Paul Mark Carney is having to stand there listening to this stuff, thinking, get. I mean, Carney ended up shutting down the press conference in the end because he just knew that it was. It was a disaster, not just for Trump, but for the G7 as a whole. He was like, okay, no more questions. We're kind of done here. As Trump kind of talked in riddles and kept bringing it back to Putin all the time.
- [38:23]
B
I mean, just absolutely insane that he would go there and complain that Putin isn't part of the G8 like, anymore. I mean, that was his number one message that he wanted to convey, like, Putin should be allowed back in. Meanwhile, I mean, these people are all like, at. You know, we're at war with. Against Putin through Ukraine and so, you know, trying to provide aid. So absolutely insane. Bonkers. I mean, the whole time I'm watching Carney's face during this whole thing, and he's just, like, trying so hard not to roll his eyes and sigh.
- [38:59]
A
It's like, get me out of here.
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B
But you could tell he's just squirming there. And. And when Trump starts talking about Trudeau, car. See, I mean, Carney knows that it's not true. Trudeau was not the one who did it. It was a different prime minister.
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A
Yeah, but he can't correct the president.
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B
But he can't correct them. That's. That's the problem is that, you know, when you're around this misfit, he happens to be the president of the most powerful country in the world, that your ally and your leading trading partner with thin skin. So you can't really say anything. And so when Trump left, I suspect that none of them were very upset that he left. I think they were all pretty relieved.
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A
But what this does do is it speaks to the fact that the US Under Donald Trump is no longer the superpower that it was just a few years ago or even a few months.
- [39:52]
B
Ago, or a global laughingstock.
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A
The. Since the tariffs, since these insane announcements, since turning the military on the American people. I mean, I even read this morning they're considering allowing asbestos to be used as a building material once again. I mean, you hear stuff. You hear stuff like that, and you think the world is listening to this. Right?
- [40:16]
B
Make asbestos great again. Right?
- [40:18]
A
There it is. And so this is why Trump does not have the sway over Iran that he thinks he does, that he can call for a unilateral, you know, ceasefire or whatever he's looking for. And, and nothing comes back, literally nothing comes back, is because he has made America a laughingstock, as you say. And. And that is not going to change as long as he is the President of the United States.
- [40:46]
B
Well, and the other thing is, you know, I guess, you know, we probably shouldn't spend the whole show on this topic, but it's important. Yeah, but, you know, the other thing is, is that he's changed. Move. They're moving the goalposts. Because it's sort of like the same thing with WMDs. Like, we're just going into Iraq to take out the WMDs. And then it became regime change, and then it became we're there for 20 years to try and build a government, rebuild their society with no end.
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A
End game.
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B
Yeah. And that appears to be like, what Trump has in mind again, because now what they're all talking about, Lindsay and Mitch and others, is regime change. They're not talking about the nukes. They're saying we need to decapitate the Iranian regime and encourage the people to rise up. And this is always the American folly. You know, yes, there are. I'm sure there are many dissident groups, many people in Iran who hate the regime, who want to rise up, but this is not. This regime has had control of this country for 40 years. It is deeply embedded throughout the society. The police forces, the military. You're not going to just, you know, take out the, The Ayatollah and have. That's what they. This is always the American folly that they have in their mind, that Trump has in their mind. And Lindsay is, you know, we'll kill Saddam or we'll kill the Ayatollah, and all the people will rise up and they love America and they'll have democracy and everybody will live happily ever after. And it never works out that way, ever, whether it's Vietnam or, Or, you know, or. Or any.
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A
Because there is no respect for the culture and understanding that when it is your territory and you've been there for centuries, that you are dug in emotionally, spiritually, and culturally. And I, I think, you know, the US doesn't have that. And completely different nations.
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B
And as we saw in Vietnam, even people that don't especially like the regime.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Once a foreign power, a Western power intervenes in their country, it pushes. It almost pushes them towards it, because that's not the way they want to have regime change. Through imperialism or through an outside, outside people bombing them. And so, yeah, I mean, it's just, it's just, it's, it's, we're going into this war with no plan, no policy. He has not addressed the nation about this. He's put out a series of truth social posts. You know, normally when you go to a war, when we go to war with a country with 80 million people with sophisticated weaponry, who's a close ally of Russia, you would at least go in front of the American people and explain to them why, I mean, George W. Bush did that, Lyndon Johnson did that, JFK did that, but Harry Truman did it.
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A
He's already committed. I mean, and we heard this a little bit from, from Ted Cruz and others that, that behind the scenes, Trump has already committed to support Bibi and whatever Bibi wants. He just hasn't said it publicly. And I think that that to me is playing to the base. No wars. No wars. And he thinks he can literally get American troops and weaponry involved in a war and not just bypass Congress, but bypass his base and the American people by not mentioning it.
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B
Yeah, that, that you got. I think you got it right. Exactly.
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A
We have to take a quick break, but we're going to come back and I want to look at Charlie Kirk's poll where he asked his, his fans whether or not the US should get involved in the war. Steve Bannon has a few things to say about it as well. We'll do all that next here on Uncovered. If you've ever searched for your name or your address in Google, it's shocking to find how many results have your personal information. And it's not by chance. Data brokers and people search sites collect your personal information. Your name, address, phone number, financial information, income, and hundreds of other records. They sell and share it publicly without your consent. But Incogni is here to put an end to that. Incogni hunts down these unethical sites and gets your information removed from the places that expose your private details. You don't have to email anyone, fill out any forms or jump through hoops. They handle the entire process for you. 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I mean, we're looking for ways for this kind of MAGA movement that has control of the House and the Senate and the executive and the courts. We're looking for a way for it to, it to kind of implode, to coin a phrase. And there's potential for this here. Let's look at Charlie Kirk's poll. Should the US get involved in Israel's war against Iran? 10% say yes, but 90%, this is out of nearly half a million votes, say no. Do you think that this actually could be helpful to Democrats just politically, that there is a disagreement amongst the MAGA ranks here?
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B
Well, it's the same old story with respect to the answer to that, which is yes, the Republicans are infighting with each other and imploding. And you know, that could cause a lot of dissension and cause them not to show up in the midterms. All of that is true. But where are the Democrats on this? Like what, what is the position of the Democrats? The position is they're pretty divided as well, although they're not fighting. You know, they're divided but not really talking. You know. And so I mean, it's like who, what has Schumer said about this? Nothing. He said said nothing, you know, Jeffries, nothing. Because look, I mean the Israel Lobby, the apac, you know, they're very powerful in the Democratic Party as well as the Republican Party.
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A
Yeah, it's, it's embedded, isn't it?
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B
And it's embedded in both parts.
- [51:08]
A
The default position is to support Israel even. I mean you're gonna, despite the, the shouts of genocide in Gaza humor is.
- [51:16]
B
Going to come out against Israel. I mean, that's never going to happen. Yeah, I mean he's, I mean he, he agrees with Ted Cruz on this except for the religious angle. But I mean him and Lindsay certainly would agree it probably. And then you have like you look at, look at the, the resolution that has been introduced in Congress to compel Trump to come to Congress for authorization to go to war in Iran. Okay? That resolution is introduced by Bernie Sanders and Tim Kaine in the Senate and Thomas Massie is Republican in the House. So look who, look who's co sponsored that in the House. It's all squad. It's all squad members, plus aoc, who I think left the squad. So it's like squad members and a handful of like representatives from Massachusetts and Vermont. You know, it's like the mo. You know, it's not. There are plenty, there are plenty of Democrats who don't like the way that Trump is handling this. They don't like the way this is going down, all that stuff, but they also support Israel. And so Fetterman is another example who has come out and said he wants Trump to bomb Iran back to the stone Age and made all kinds of.
- [52:32]
A
Well, Federman's in the wrong. He's in the wrong party.
- [52:35]
B
Yeah, I mean, he's made foolish statements. But, but I mean his position is he's saying the quiet part out loud for a lot of Democrats. I mean.
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A
Right.
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B
A lot of Democrats kind of agree, although maybe not as far as he's gone, but they kind of agree. And so, and so is this an issue that Democrats can take advantage of? I think it depends on the district and it depends on the state. You know, it really does. But there isn't, there isn't a unified Democratic position on this. I think you've heard from like people like Ro Khanna who's, who wants to recalibrate the party on foreign policy policy and who says we need to go back to the way we were in the 1970s and the 1980s and be the anti war party. And we lost that with, when we backed the WMD resolution, that the Democrats since then have largely been gone along with all of the wars. And we need to, we need to recalibrate and reset on that. And I think he makes a lot of very good arguments. But there, I mean, Hillary Clinton's not, doesn't agree with that. You know, I mean, there's plenty. So that I would say on foreign policy, the Democratic Party is not, you know, in lockstep. So whether they can take advantage of the Republican problems remains to be seen.
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A
Should we also mention that war is big business and that there is a huge profit motive for a lot of people too?
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B
Oh, yeah. I mean, sure, that's something that really nobody's talking about. But of course, you Know, I mean, they're gonna cheerlead this, the military industrial complex, these, these weapons. You know, Israel is, I just saw Israel is, is running very low on their stockpiles of weapons and their ability to do missile defense with the Iron Dome, they're running out. And so where are they going to get that stuff from? They're not going to get it from France, they're not going to get it from Germany. There's only one place they're going to get it from. Us.
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A
And, and, and here's the thing with Trump's policy of no war. You're not selling arms, really, you're not, you know, that, that kind of the, the business aspect, you know, in order to be replenishing, you need to be shifting stock. And I know with Ukraine we tend to give old stock and then replenish it, although we're not doing that anymore. But it's, it's, it's cyclical and, and so the war machine almost needs to be operating all the time in the background for these industries to, to make a profit. The other thing that, again, no one's really talking about is that this, you know, let's just say that the, the war's kicking off and there's, you know, American missiles flying. It's going to change flight paths for commercial planes as well.
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B
Oh, that already has.
- [55:18]
A
Right to the point that it's going to cost American companies way more in, in jet fuel. It's going to cause problems for people traveling because their 10 hour flight is now 11 and a half hours. And you know, people are going to miss connections, it's going to screw up schedules. I mean, this is, these are the effects of getting involved in these types of things.
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B
Are already, have already been rerouted around Iran. They also control the Straits of Hormuz so they can shut down shipping in the region.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And this is also going to affect oil prices. I mean, both the US And Israel have already threatened to start bombing Iran's oil production if, if they, Trump has already said if they, if they launch any attack on any American base that we're going to destroy their oil production, which will cause global oil prices to, to go up. So. Which would make Russia very happy, by the way.
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A
My prediction, my gut feeling is that, that Trump is going to pull the trigger and it's going to probably happen tomorrow.
- [56:24]
B
I think so. You know, I think we are, we are going to be directly involved in fighting Iran.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Not, not just supporting Israel. No, we will be involved.
- [56:35]
A
Yeah.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Steve Bannon's been watching A lot of Fox, and he's not happy with the amount of propaganda and everything else that's going on there. Let's take a look.
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B
But, you know, we don't watch a lot of Fox, but we've been watching it nonstop for the last couple days because our st. Our cry.
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A
Frank.
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B
Our production crew is amazed by Lindsey Graham. He's like a character out of the Simpsons. He just up there like a little dog, yammering all the time, just putting this vitriol that you've got to go tonight. You have to go today.
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A
Yeah, it's. So. I mean, we spoke last week about how Steve Bannon is a bit of an anomaly, isn't he, in this. In this movement, because of where he sits. And it. Now it feels that way, too, with, with Tucker Carlson kind of, you know, trying to hold Ted Cruz to account. Why are people always on about how smart Ted Cruz is? I never really understood that. Oh, he's very educated, you know, very smart guy. And to me, the guy's a complete imbecile. But anyway, I digress. This bashing of. Of Fox again, is this a sign of. Of implosion? Or is this just more of Steve Bannon just, you know, looking for talking points for his podcast?
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B
No, I mean, this is saying what they know all along. You know, they, they. This is both Bannon and Tucker this week saying the quiet part a lot about Fox, which is it exists as a propaganda organ. It exists to push a particular viewpoint. That's, you know, that's why it's just, like, so ludicrous when they. They claim that, like, the media covered up for Biden's cognitive decline or something, when, you know, Fox exists as a propaganda arm to push a particular view, even if it's a view that a big chunk of Republicans disagree with their own audience disagrees with. They're going to bring them around. They're going to brainwash them. That's what they're. That's what they are there to do. And so when you have people like Tucker, who was one of the main guys who did that for, for many years, come out and say, yeah, this is what Fox does, you know, the orders come on down high that this is going to be our position. And every host across the board and every guest and every contributor is expected to toe the party line and push that position. Sometimes even Trump has complained about it, because sometimes Rer Murdoch's position on something like Ukraine is different from his. And so he will complain about that. And, and so, yeah, but it is it is funny to see them admit that, that that's really how they operate.
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A
Let's take a look at Tucker doing the same.
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E
So what is that? That's not by popular acclaim. It's not like their viewer surveys. Like, you know, we need a lot more Mark Levin, less Jesse Waters, more Mark Levin.
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B
What they're doing is what they always.
- [59:31]
E
Do, which is just turning up the propaganda hose to full blast and just trying to, you know, knock elderly Fox viewers off their feet and make them submit.
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A
This is Steve Fadden's face just then looking at Tucker. When Tucker was doing that kind of weird monkey laugh of his was. I. I just. I love the fact that Steve Bannon thinks that Tucker Carlson is as insane as the rest of us do.
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B
Yeah, he clearly does. I mean, Ben is like the. The conductor of a freak show circus on that show. For somebody who's watched a lot of. It's just like he brings in this parade of deplorables, you know, and it's just like half the people Bannon doesn't agree with, doesn't like, thinks that they're weirdos and freaks, but they're entertaining and their audience likes them. Like Lindell, you know, he'd bring on Lindell, and you could just see the whole time Bannon just sitting there like, man, this guy's full of. But he's. He's running pillow commercials on my show, so getting. Bringing them on, you know, so, same thing with Tucker. He understands that Tucker has a huge influential base. He knows that Tucker is going to come on and, and be anti war and attack a lot of the people that he doesn't. Bannon doesn't like. So he brings them on for that purpose. But then, you know, when Tucker goes full weirdo, Bannon's like, oh, man.
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A
Yeah. Why do you have to.
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B
That's part of the deal. When you bring on these weirdos, you get weirdness.
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A
It would be remiss of us, not to mention the incredible outpouring of protest that we experienced at the weekend with the no Kings protest. I think we should just, for a moment, celebrate. Everybody that took to the streets and made their banners and, and peacefully protested, because at Trump's military parade, they claimed there was250,000 people. If there were, you were lucky if there was 2,000 people, but there was at least 11 million people on the streets of America. Some are saying it's way more than that. That. And. And this. This is. This is a. This is the first time really, the people power has shown up in Such numbers, it's, it's incredible.
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B
Yeah. I mean, the, the extent to which Republicans ridiculed it.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Showed the effectiveness of it.
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A
Right.
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B
Because if it wasn't effective, they would have ignored it, you know, largely, or just said nothing or very little. But instead they, you know, they, they complain, oh, this is all white people. It's all women, it's all old people. It's not that big. It's not, you know, it's, it's paid for, it's organized. You know, Soros is behind it. The Chinese are behind it. The lengths to which that they went to try and discredit those protests and those rallies shows you how effective they were. And they are effective and they're growing. I mean, that was probably triple the size of the other one. What was this one was no Kings. What was the other one? The other one was Musk. Right? It was.
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A
Yeah.
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B
I forget what the name of it was.
- [62:38]
A
Yeah, it was the anti oligarch one.
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B
Yeah. Yeah. But many, many of the same organizers. And it, yeah, the move, this protest.
- [62:46]
A
50, 51, wasn't it that last one?
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B
It's growing, it's getting bigger the more, more and more people are turning out. This war could spin off another one. And so I think that this is very, very important. It's very important to mobilize Democrats, get them together, not just Democrats, but independents as well. And, and carry that momentum into the midterms.
- [63:12]
A
Yeah. 100. Unfortunately, in, in Minnesota, the planning for the protests was marred and in fact, Tim Walls had to kind of say, look, you can't protest because this guy is on the loose. This is a man who went and shot two Democratic lawmakers and effectively executed them in, in their homes. Turns out he'd gone to other addresses first as well. They, they eventually apprehended him about. Was it like 36 hours later, the protesters still came out. Incidentally, in Minnesota, they, they heard what Tim Walls had to say, but they still took to the streets. Fortunately, nobody else was hurt. But the reaction from not just maga, but indeed some kind of leading voices from on, on that. On the Republican side were pretty horrific and horrendous considering the seriousness of this attack. Let's talk about Mike Lee, shall we?
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B
Yeah, I mean, it's that that was his post because this was part of the conspiracy that this guy was close to waltz that. And he spelled his name wrong, by the way.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So that he was buddies with Wallace or an appointee of Wall. See, I was a little surprised that the right wing propaganda machine and All I'm talking about all of them. You know, Kirk, you know, Alex Jones, you know, the whole crew. Laura Loomer kicked into overdrive on this one.
- [64:49]
A
Yes.
- [64:50]
B
Before they knew any facts because, I mean, he targeted two lawmakers and their families.
- [64:57]
A
Yes.
- [64:57]
B
Who are Democrats. And you know, it's like it, it's pretty obvious what's going on here, that this is a right winger doing something political. But you know, they, they, because they always kick into overdrive when there's a mass shooting like, and they, and they throw out all this propaganda. It could be this, could be that, it could be that. And, and I, and I, at least I can understand like them wanting to create confusion and doubt and, and get people speculating in the wrong direction. But on this one, I didn't think they would go as much all in so fast because it was so obvious what this was to everyone.
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A
Yeah.
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B
But they did, they did. And, and, and they went at it with, from two angles. They had two main conspiracies, one of which Lee was just talk alluding to right there, which is that this guy had been appointed by Walls to an advisory to a board. Right. He, so, so the way they took this was he's a waltz appointee. Right. So Walls, when, what is the reality? He was appointed to a very low level minimum advisory board with a lot of other people by the previous administration to Walls, when it comes up to be renewed, he just signs off on the paperwork to reappoint him. I mean, I was on these boards in Florida. I mean the governor does not even know half the people on the list. He never met this guy, he never interviewed with him and he didn't know him. And, and it's a bipartisan board with Republicans and Democrats. This guy was a registered Republican. So that was one conspiracy that was debunked. But you know, at first they were claiming this is a Walls appointee. Right. The second one was that Walls is, I mean this guy's wife supposedly interned for Walls when she was in college. Well, then it turned, you know, because it was someone with the same name as, as his wife. It was not her. It was a different person entirely. This guy's wife is like 40 years old and they have her interning in college for Walls.
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A
They're clutching at straws really, aren't they?
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B
Yeah. So it's one thing for like a Laura Loomer or one of these Alex Jones to say it. That's one thing. But when you have a United States Senator.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Who's a so called Christian conservative who is a senior member of the Mormon Church, of all things, whose father was this US Solicitor General under Reagan, whose older brother was a state Supreme Court justice out there trying to be a conspiracy theorist. I mean, that's where. That's where things get pretty crazy that this guy's out there doing it. And he kept doing. He wouldn't stop. And then when he got called out and everything got disproved, he refused to take him down. He refused to delete. Delete the posts until finally, Tina Smith, the senator from Minnesota, ran his ass down in the Senate, tracked him, tracked him down and got in his face.
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A
Let's take a look.
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B
Could you tell us about your conversation with Senator Smith? Do you regret your tweet? Do you stand by the post that.
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A
You made on X?
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B
Have you had a productive conversation about that post?
- [68:19]
A
Is that what the senator wanted to speak to you about?
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B
What did you think of the meeting you just came from?
- [68:32]
A
They condition, but they can't take it.
- [68:34]
B
Yeah. I mean, after he knows that everything he said was a lie, he will not apologize. He quietly deleted the tweets. He didn't say, hey, I was wrong. I shouldn't have done this. No, no, he didn't do any of that. When he was confronted by the senator about how hurtful this was to the families of the victims, he says, I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings. That's what he's. That's what he had to say. And you see him there running away like. Like the coward, the sniveling, weak coward that he is running away. He's a tough guy behind the keyboard. He is a badass behind the keyboard. He is Rambo behind the keyboard. He's the toughest dude on social media. But then meet him face to face, just like Trump, and he runs away.
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A
What did Trump say on Air Force One when he was asked by a reporter, are you. Have you spoken to Tim Walls to offer your condolences for what went on in his state? He said, well, I could be nice and do that, but, you know, why should I? That guy is a mess. He, you know, it's a waste of my time.
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B
Yeah. He used the occasion to trash WAL and say how terrible he is. Nothing. Trump never said one word about this.
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A
No.
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B
He never called the families of this political hit. And, And, I mean, he's put. Puts himself out that he's a victim of an assassination attempt. Right. Well, you would think that if that's true, you know, that you would have some empathy for this situation. You would call these People and say, hey, I've been in your shoes. I know what it's like. Oh, no. I mean, Trump would never do that. However, if this, if this was Republicans, can you imagine if these were two Republicans shot by a Democrat? I mean, it would still be on Fox. Fox News would be talking about it 24 7. Trump would be screaming and yelling. There'd be federal investigations, Pam Bondi would be in there. Cash Patel instead. The response from the federal government is nothing.
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A
We always, we always say that it would be different if the glove was on the other hand or the shoe was on the other foot. But I should remind you and everybody that Democrats don't shoot people. They just don't. And, and, you know, this is the problem that we have here is that time and time again we find ourselves in these situations and it isn't possible to both sides. It, because Democrats simply do not shoot people. This guy was an Infowars fan, apparently. This guy was a, as you said, a registered Republican, a Trump supporter, and he thought he was doing the right thing.
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B
His number one issue was anti abortion. That was a big thing.
- [71:19]
A
He was in some kind of evangelical cult.
- [71:22]
B
Right? Yeah.
- [71:23]
A
This is, this is what we're dealing with. This is that this is who Republicans are in many shapes and sizes. But ultimately, you know, a lot of it comes down to this. And it's just very sad that we've got ourselves into a situation where the country is not just so divided and so polarized, but it is very clear that one side is so evil and cruel and vile. And that probably leads us on to, you know, the reason for the protests was obviously protesting the heavy handedness by ice, the disappearings, the deportations, you know, going to Home Depot and indiscriminately taking people who were looking for work. And Trump then changed his tune on people doing farm labor and people working in hospitality. And then 48 hours later, that changed again. Can you just explain what happened there, why that blip?
- [72:27]
B
The whole thing that led to L. A was this issue, which is that Miller changed. Stephen Miller summoned all the ICE regional directors and changed their marching orders because they were told primarily to just target people with criminal records, people showing up at court dates, you know, people that were alleged gang members, that kind of thing. And the numbers weren't there. You know, there just aren't enough of those people to satisfy Miller's lust and thirst for deportation numbers. And so, you know, he told them to start going to go to farms, go to Home Depot, go to the, go to construction sites, go to places where they work. And that was. And then they ha. That happened, which caused the backlash, but it also. It not only caused a backlash from Democrats, but it caused a backlash from the Republicans who own those businesses. You know, and although they weren't out there protesting, they were calling, burning up the phone lines to Donald J. Trump and his. His Agriculture secretary.
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A
Yeah.
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B
I mean, the farmers were blowing up her. Her phone. You know, Brooke Rollins, who's very much like a corporate lobbyist type person.
- [73:42]
A
Yeah.
- [73:42]
B
And. And saying, look, you can't take our workers. You got to stop this shit.
- [73:47]
A
I love the fact that Trump hadn't thought of this in advance occurred to.
- [73:51]
B
Him, because Miller doesn't care about that.
- [73:54]
A
Right.
- [73:54]
B
See, this is something that, like, the establishment types care about. They don't want the. Their workers deported. But Miller and, And Holman and that whole crew and MAGA and Bannon and all these others, they want to grab everybody. They don't care. They don't care if they're farm workers, construction workers. They don't care. They want them all gone. And so there is a deep division. I mean, I would say 80% of Republicans want them all gone and 20% don't. They want to, you know, only the criminals gone. Right. But the majority of Americans only want criminals gone. They don't want necessarily somebody who's been here working on a farm for 20 years to be deported with his wife and kids. So you have this. All these people blowing up the phone lines. So you have Trump come out and say, you know what, we're gonna put a pause. We're gonna put a pause on farm. What do you say? Farm workers and hospitality workers and food processing workers. If migrants are in those industries, then we won't go after them. And that caused maga.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Go crazy. They went nuts.
- [75:02]
A
Charlie Kirk did another poll, another poll from Charlie Kirk. Recent reports are suggesting the DHS is pausing deportation efforts of illegals at hotels, agricultural facilities, restaurants. And do you support this move? 21 said yes, but 79 said no. And that was 141,000 votes.
- [75:23]
B
I mean, you literally had a, like a no Kings uprising.
- [75:27]
A
Yes.
- [75:28]
B
MAGA on this. They went crazy. And. And so Trump had to reverse it right away. So you have Brooke Rollins, who puts out this tweet, who now looks like a complete fool. You know, she puts out this tweet where she's like, you know, this is very important. We got to support our farmers. Don't believe the fake news media and the grifters trying to divide us, blah, blah, blah, and literally like 24 hours after she sent this tweet, Trump changed the policy.
- [75:57]
A
I mean, it's the flip flopping, it's the, it's the chaos. It's. Because there is no planning. And it's the same for taking to the streets with, with ice, supported by the Marines and goodness knows who else. As it is, with his lack of planning, going to war with Iran. Nothing has any critical thinking, nothing has any expertise, nothing has any planning or risk assessing or any of the things that you would do for any of these policies for a country that is as big and formally as powerful as America.
- [76:32]
B
So, you know, Mike Collins, who's a congressman from Georgia, put out a tweet about all this stuff.
- [76:38]
A
Yeah.
- [76:38]
B
A couple days ago. And he said, we got to trust the plan. We got to trust the plan.
- [76:42]
A
Gotta trust the plan.
- [76:43]
B
Yeah. And I said, what's the plan? There is no plan. There's no plan there. You know, they lurch from one crisis to the next, and they're constantly, whether it's on Doge. You know, they fire a bunch of people and then they beg them all to come back a week later because they realize, oh, we need these people. Look at her, look at Iran. You know what? They wanted a broadcast. They want a Voice of America to broadcast to opposition groups and dissidents to Iran. Well, they need Farsi speakers. They fired them all. Elon Musk fired them all. So they're frantically calling. When this Iran shit goes down, they're frantically calling all these, all their old employees that they used to have who spoke Farsi and begging them to come.
- [77:25]
A
Back to work, but couldn't get hold of a bunch of them because they got rid of their email addresses. Right.
- [77:31]
B
So this is the plan that we're supposed to trust. There's no plan. I mean, look, they came in with a Project 2025 blueprint on a bunch of stuff.
- [77:41]
A
Yes.
- [77:42]
B
But they didn't plan for, like, what could, what could go wrong, you know, and how, how to go about implementing. And they also didn't plan for backlash. I mean, Stephen Miller doesn't care. Like, he's in the White House. He wants to ram all this stuff through. He could care less if 99% of the country disagreed with him. He would do it anyway.
- [78:04]
A
Is it true that Trump and him are kind of falling out? Like Trump has calls him, has got like a weird name for him now.
- [78:13]
B
Well, I mean, Stephen Miller is, is sort of now in the Elon Musk seat, where he's the number one guy that causes him Heartache and consternation.
- [78:21]
A
Yeah.
- [78:22]
B
And Stephen Miller does a lot of stuff without telling Trump because he is the policy director. He is running. Him and Russ Vaught are running the White House. And so they're, they know that Trump is an imbecile. They know that Trump is going senile, losing his mind, and they know that Trump isn't especially interested in policy, and they like that. I mean, I love working for bosses like that in my life. I used to love bosses who let me do whatever I wanted, you know, because those, that's, that's the position that they're in. And so they're off doing all these things. They're not checking with him. And, and he finds out about it when a reporter, you know, asks him a question, what about this policy? And Trump's like, what, what, what do you. We're doing what, you know. And so I think that if there's any, you know, friction, it's Trump getting those kind of questions all the time, right? And running back to the Oval and Colin Miller in and yelling at him, you know, saying, you got to tell me some of this shit before you do it.
- [79:22]
A
Now, could part of the problem be that the director of personnel at the White House is somebody who himself has not turned in any paperwork for his background check? He claims to be from Malta, but there's no records of him being born there. This is Sergio Gore, who to all intents and purposes, could be working for the other team.
- [79:49]
B
He could be, he could be a Russian spy. We don't know. We don't know. Here's what we know about this guy. This guy was relatively a nobody, and he hung out at Mar A Lago for the last four years and ingratiated himself in that orbit. He was a Mar A Lago lounge lizard, and he was considered one of the most successful. In other words, a lot of them who hung out there. Almost everyone who's hung around Mar A Lago over the last four years has gotten some kind of an appointment, but a lot of them are very low level advisory kind of things. But he was one who was very effective, according to all the reporting. What everybody has said is that he was very good at ingratiating himself with a lot of the people in Trump's inner circle. And he just continued to work his way up in the social network that around, in and around Mar A Lago. And he. So he ends up getting appointed to an. The job that John McEntee had in the last administration, which is a plum job, which is director of White House personnel, the person who hires and fires everybody in the White House. And so this is an incredibly important position. And so he's in charge of vetting all of them. And so he's been focused on vetting them for their Trump loyalty and all of that. And, you know, I, I have talked to at least one Republican staffer on the Hill who told me that he is hated. He is despised by Republicans on, in Congress. They hate this guy, and many of the people in the administration hate this guy. And so. But this guy has ingratiated himself to Trump, and he's in charge of vetting all these people. In the meantime, he refuses to fill out the basic paperwork, to have his own background check done, to have himself vetted in terms of the, the forms that say where you have lived throughout your life, where you're born, what your birth name was. We don't even know if this is his real name. It could be Sergey Gorbachev. You know, Sergio Gore, that doesn't sound like a normal name to me, from any country. Claims Malta. Me, Malta. A lot of Turks, a lot of Greeks, a lot of Italians. I don't know Sergio Gore. You know, I'm suspicious. I'm suspicious because, you know, when they, when the New York Post, which is a Rupert Murdoch newspaper, confronted him and said, where are, where were you born? Because we checked with Malta and they're saying, you're not from here, they'd have no record of you being from here. He refused to say what country he was he's from. He refused to tell a Rupert Murdoch newspaper where he was born. And what's his excuse? Why won't you fill out the paperwork? Well, he says, I don't want to give the deep state, you know, bureaucrats any information about me that they can use against me. Something is very wrong here. And, you know, the fact that, like, not one member of the media has ever asked Caroline Levitt or Donald Trump about Sergio Gore and why he hasn't submitted his background paperwork is outrageous, because he has one of the most powerful positions in the government.
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A
I mean, let's be honest, there's a good number of people working there who Trump has obviously bypassed the traditional, because that's what they do, right? If, if the security services can't vet them, the President steps in and goes, oh, they're fine. Jared Kushner, he's fine.
- [83:28]
B
That is what's happened here, right?
- [83:30]
A
Yeah. We have to finish in a second, but there's one very big story that we have not covered. Can you work out what it is yet. I'll give you a clue. Trump phones.
- [83:44]
B
Trump Mobile.
- [83:45]
A
Yeah, this is, this is a, it never ends. I mean, this is remarkable, really. It's very hard to talk about this with a straight face, But Donald Trump Jr. And Eric Trump have been given the job of launching Trump Mobile, which is a handset that is gold, that is made in China. Clearly they've said it will at some point be made in the usa, but currently. So this is a cheap phone, clearly. And they decided that the number 47 is a good number. So let's make it 47amonth. And you can call a hundred countries, apparently included in that unlimited tax. Why am I advertising it? Ridiculous. I'll show. Let's, let's take a look at the clip this morning.
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B
You've got an announcement on a new phone. Tell me about that and what you're looking at. Looking to quote unquote, correct here.
- [84:41]
F
Yeah. Well, you know, Maria, more and more we're using technology as a company, right, to correct the problems. Obviously true social was to correct freedom of speech. Right. I mean, he lost his throughout the political process. Obviously crypto and we have got the biggest projects in crypto was to correct another problem, which is the fact that they were debanking all conservatives is the most canceled person probably in the history of the country. And, and now we're doing Trump Mobile. And Trump Mobile is going to revolutionize kind of, you know, cell phones, mobile calling. We're going to do it better, we're going to do it safer. We're going to have more functionality, more features. And the coolest thing about all these ventures is we're doing it right here in the United States. You're not calling up call centers in Bangladesh. You're not, you know, you're doing it right out of St. Louis, Missouri, and you're going to have phones that are made right here in the United States of America and they're going to have, it's going to be cheaper, 47 bucks a month. You're going to have more international dialing for free. Hundreds of countries, international dialing for free. It is the biggest bang for the buck. And we're really excited to get into the space. I mean, when you take kind of technology, obviously real estate's always been our bread and butter. But when you take the technology world between the social platforms, you know, the actual hard devices, which is really what front mobile is, you know, and then kind of the, the True Retail Banking C5DEFI Worlds of cryptocurrency, which is no question where the world is going. I really believe we're going to have one of the great kind of tech platforms as part of the Trump organization of any company in the world. And I couldn't be more proud of Trump Mobile.
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A
Yeah, I only pay $15 a month for my cell phone. I don't know how $47 a month is a good deal, but there we are.
- [86:22]
B
This is like the Trump bible and the Trump watch all over again which is, yeah, you know this is 150 phone. I, I read all the tech magazines.
- [86:31]
A
About spray gold and bump the price up.
- [86:33]
B
Yeah, they slapped the Trump name on it's 150 phone and they're selling it for 500 bucks. Right. It's not, it's not made in the U.S. yeah, you know, so he says, going to be made in the great old USA. Well then Don Jr went on someone else, another Fox show later in the day. It was Benny Johnson's podcast. And then he said when is it going to be, when is it going to be made in the U.
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C
S?
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B
You're not making them in the usa. Oh no, no, they're made in China. Well, when is it going to be made? Eventually, eventually it's going to be. Oh okay, sure. They're eventually going to be made in China. I mean in the United States. Right. And you're going to sell them for 500. Right? Sure you are. This is, this is nonsense. And, and it's supposedly they have this like warranty. The warranty is like some company. No one ever heard. There's no warranty. Wait till you buy one of these phones and you try and exchange it for a new one. You're not getting a new one.
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A
It's just, it's another grift, basically.
- [87:30]
B
It's just ridiculous. And, and how many companies would love to launch a new product with free airtime on Fox with millions of views?
- [87:40]
A
Yeah.
- [87:40]
B
I mean would they be doing this for anyone else? Would that for anyone if, if Donald Trump wasn't the president? That's the whole point.
- [87:49]
A
The other thing, Ron, is that this is also an exercise in data mining because if you can, if, if you can give a phone to somebody and you have direct access to its, its software, then you are just data mining. You're, you're seeing exactly how they're behaving, what they're buying. And, and it just becomes easier to swing an election in the future.
- [88:12]
B
The user agreements on this say that you have to turn over all your data to them. Yeah, I mean what most of the tech guys have said is they. They see the grip quite clearly. They're going to sign up all these rubes and then they're going to unload it to a big company who's really going to run this whole thing. And they're just gonna, you know, take a bunch of money. Yeah, it's going to be. And then you're going to have all these MAGA people complaining that they got ripped off. It's the same old drill over and over again with all these Trump products. So.
- [88:40]
A
Well, I'm running out of money to buy all this stuff. You know, I've got these gold sneakers and I've got.
- [88:45]
B
I would like to go to some of these people's houses and look around and see how much Trump stuff that they have. Watches, lamps, jewelries, perfumes, shoes, handbags. I mean, they're literally selling hundreds and hundreds of products. We've chronicled many of them on this show. And. And by the way, you know, the whole thing. They started the Trump. Trump crypto because they were debanked. What a life.
- [89:09]
A
Yeah.
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B
That's like the biggest lie. I can't. I'm sorry to drop the F bomb there, but, I mean, that's just outrageous. I mean, they were. That's why they started crypto. That's. They started crypto because it's a pure grift and they're getting billions of dollars.
- [89:23]
A
Well, I was gonna say it seems.
- [89:24]
B
Like to do with being debanked, the.
- [89:27]
A
Crypto and JDJT Media on the stock market seems to be the only things that have actually been quite financially lucrative for Donald Trump and. And everything else, from Trump Stakes to Trump University. There's no value.
- [89:47]
B
It's the same thing with True Social. They promised it was going to be like the greatest. They use the same hype. It's going to be the greatest. All these special features, too. Social is garbage. It's the worst. It's from a functionality and a technical standpoint, it's the most primitive social media app out there.
- [90:05]
A
And it doesn't even have that much usage when Trump posts on there. It doesn't get that many re. Truths or anything. You know, the numbers are pretty slim. Okay, listen.
- [90:16]
B
He gets his biggest numbers when he says something they don't like.
- [90:19]
A
I love the fact that he's communicating with the Ayatollah in Iran through Truth Social. Like, this is how he's negotiating the future war and potential world war. And President Xi is just by. By like doing it in his pajamas. It's ridiculous. Listen, we have to finish. But I'm grateful again for this hour on a Wednesday, hour and a half on a Wednesday. We'll come back next week and do it again. And if you want to download the audio podcast, you can do that later tonight when it drops. And all I can say is keep, keep protesting. You know, get out there. This is, this is. Something is changing and it feels good. All right, thanks a lot, Ron.
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B
All right, see you next.