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Welcome to Uncovered. It's Wednesday. I'm Anthony, he's Ron. And together we're about to uncover the MAGA propaganda that is not covered by the mainstream and corporate media. Before we get into it, Ron, there's a major announcement that has just happened by the former Vice President Kamala Harris. Very, very interesting. Interesting timing, too. Just in for our show. She has announced that she will not run for governor of California, which is was a highly anticipated decision that leaves the contest to lead the country's largest blue state wide open. Am I right in saying that Gavin Newsom can't do another term? Is that right?
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Yeah, that's correct. Yeah. So obviously the two big questions here, this is a little bit of a surprise, I mean, because I thought she was basically going to follow the Richard Nixon playbook, you know, which is he lost the presidency, he went back to California, ran for governor one, and then used that to springboard another run down the line. Yeah, I thought that she was going to basically follow that formula. But, you know, everybody's different, of course, and every situation is different. But the two big questions, of course, are going to be, you know, it, does this mean she's going to run for president in 2028? And that's number one. And number two, who, who's gonna run? So, you know, the first part is, I don't think so. You know, I, I, I, it doesn't sound like, at least according to her spokesperson, that that's what she's gonna do. Spokesperson said she wants to be part of the national conversation in 2028, but that doesn't necessarily mean she's running for president. That's what the spokesperson said. I'm not really sure what that means. Yeah. But I'm inclined to think she's, I, I never thought she was going to run for president in 2028. I think it would be awkward for her to run with Newsom in the race. That's, that's just one thing. But then the second thing is, like, who's gonna run? Because, you know, a lot of people have not announced who may be interested because, you know, they thought she was gonna run. And in fact, like, Katie Porter has announced, but even she said that she would drop out if Kamal ran. So now obviously she's not. So it sounds like as of right now, if nobody gets in, I would say probably the, the Lieutenant Governor is the, is the favorite Kolakis, who's endorsed by Hillary Clinton and a bunch of other people. Yeah, but, you know, somebody else big could get in who knows.
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Am I right in saying, I seem to from memory remember that there were some possible controversy surrounding the pressure on her and Doug's marriage after the, after the campaign, after losing the presidential election, they went on vacation and there was some reporting. Now, I'm not one for, for, you know, salacious gossips, and it's also none of our business. But the only reason I'm saying that is because, you know, in families, when you are in politics or one of you is in politics, it is very stressful on marriages and on families and, and they ob. Obviously have a beautiful love affair. And I think anything that compromises the love affair would probably direct the, the decision on running for president, which is, again, huge. So that, that was my first feeling. I'm like, okay, yep, she doesn't want to have any part in public office again because it puts too much strain on the marriage and it's just not worth it. So. But now I've had like a half an hour to think about it since the announcement. And I've been of the opinion that the Democrats, just knowing the Democrats, that kind of legacy Democrat leadership and the, the consultants and all that group, I think they would run Kamala Harris again because she got so close. Let's not forget that the race was close. And there's all this talk of the gerrymandering and the redistricting and the, and the, you know, all of the effort that Trump's people went to to try and give him a, the, you know, give him a bit of a boost, not to mention Elon Musk and his, you know, 270 odd million worth of investment to help Donald Trump also. So I'm not saying those things won't be there. We've actually heard from Gavin Newsom and Adam Schiff in the last 48 hours, both saying that Trump is planning on rigging the 2028 election. You know, they've actually kind of come out and made statements about this. So my feeling is that the Democrats would probably want to run her because she did so well, and I don't have a problem with that.
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You mean for president you're talking about? Yeah, yeah, maybe, maybe. But, you know, Democrats tend not to go back to the. Well when they have somebody who lost, although I don't necessarily believe that you can blame her for that loss. She only ran. She only ran for 100 days. Yeah, but, but still, I mean, you know, that has been the pattern in the past, like Carrie Gore, Clinton, you know, Hillary, you know, they have it. If they lose, they don't they don't give them another shot. You know, you can go all the way back to like Mondale. You know, we can go way back on that track record. So, you know, I don't know as far as that goes, who knows? But you know, a couple points off, what you said. I'm definitely into salacious gossip, so I mean, I'm, I'm definitely not above all of that stuff. Yeah, I, I did read maybe some of the stuff that maybe you saw. I mean, there was some stuff in the right wing cesspool about him maybe having an affair or something with somebody. But you know, I paid no attention.
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To it that I didn't see that.
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There didn't seem to be anything to it. It was just them, you know, making up. It looked like to me, like there was no hard proof or anything. Yeah, they're always looking to do stuff like that. And it was never picked up by any major news outlets. It was just their influencer network and I don't believe it. So that was one. And then second. Oh, you know what I did read though, is there, you know, oddly, the timing, because I think I read a week ago a Politico article. I think it was Politico where they talked about, it was all from unnamed sources in the California Democratic Party who basically said that they were concerned that if she ran for governor that that could lower the turnout in California among Democrats because maybe they wouldn't be as enthusiastic as having somebody, a fresh new face or something, you know, and they cited a lot of people saying, like maybe some of the California Dems did not want her to run for that reason again, like they didn't put their names on it. And it's, and I didn't even report on it because it seemed like a hit piece to me a little bit that was kind of planted by maybe people that are running who don't want her to run.
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Right.
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So, you know, but that, that was out there too. So. So who knows? I mean, I think they all. Her spokesperson also said that there is also going to be a major announcement about her future very soon that will not involve running for president. So maybe this could be some new project that she's taking on.
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I don't know. We should remind people though that there were more votes for Donald Trump in California than in any other state. And you know, people forget that a huge populace such as California, you are going to have a huge number of votes even though it is a Democratic state.
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Sure, yeah. That's why the, you know, the gerrymandering stuff is being talked about so much.
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Right.
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You know, which is. I mean, part of what J.D. vance, what pointed out today is how many Republicans there are in California compared to how many seats. But that's a case in every state. You know, there's plenty of Democrats in Oklahoma, and there's not one representative from Oklahoma that's a Democrat. So in Congress. So there. I mean, that's just the way it works. So you need. You need 50 plus one. Having 49 is not enough?
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No, it's. I don't know. I'm very. I. I would wish her an awful lot of well and support if she did choose to run for president. The only thing I would say is that we need some candidates because we need some people hitting those TV news channels and getting out there with their messaging. You know, I really feel like this chasm, this kind of void of leadership, even if it's just candidates, but people representing Democrats speaking up right now and just doing the rounds would be really helpful in this moment.
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Well, look, we're gonna have more candidates than we want, but. Yeah, but they're. They're. You're. You're right. They're not now, you know, they're gonna come late. Hopefully sooner, rather sooner than normal.
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Yes.
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But, you know, I think that we're. We're definitely gonna have a whole slew. You know, we're gonna have Buddha Ch. For sure. We're gonna have Newsom. We're gonna have more Westmore, Andy Bashir, Whitmer, maybe Shapiro. There's more that I'm missing. You know, we're gonna have a. We're probably gonna have, like, 14 or.
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15 candidates, which is a completely opposite concept to there being no primary last time, and Kamala Harris kind of winning it by default, which put the cat amongst the pigeons. Let's talk about Trump and Epstein for a moment, because the. The escape that he did, running away to Scotland to try. And it was. It was basically a diversion, wasn't it? You know, he didn't really have any reason to go to Scotland other than to open a second of his two golf courses at Turnbury, near Aberdeen. And he kind of had to turn it into some kind of official event because, yeah, it cost $10 million to send him there. Not that he had any guilt over the cost, but it was just, you know, a typical grift on his behalf. And I'm sure that he put all the secret into the Turnberry Hotel, charged double for the accommodation to the public purse, as he normally does. So there's a Lot of, you know, there's a lot of corruption there, which he doesn't seem to even worry about anymore. He just kind of gets on with it. But he invited Ursula von der Leyen, who represents the European Union. He invited Keir Starmer, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. Both very awkward and painful meetings, to say the very least.
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And they're both getting backlash in. Yeah, well, their own. From their own constituencies.
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Right. And he was asked questions by the media about Epstein, and he kind of. He kind of dodged it by saying, well, I'm not even really thinking about that. Didn't he? Which was, like, so obviously untrue, because nothing, I'm sure, is more in his mind. And we're hearing more and more evidence be presented about, you know, his. His inclusion in the Epstein files. But because of his decomposing brain, he gets timelines wrong. And so when he's asked questions and he says stuff in this case about Virginia Duffrey, who sadly took her own life earlier this year in April, I think, in Australia. She was, you know, a young girl at the time who apparently was. We're now discovering, was working in the spa at Mar a Lago. And. And now he's claiming that Epstein was stealing his. His people. Talking about them like he's a slave owner was very odd, like, kind of ownership of people. Really weird. But he was asked this question on Air Force One, and he's kind of saying the. The quiet parts out loud. Let's take a look.
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Mr. President, Epstein has a certain reputation about his swing.
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Just curious, were some of the workers that were taken from you.
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Were some of them young women?
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Were some of them. Were some of them young women? Well, I don't. But everyone knows the people that were taken. And it was. The concept of taking people that work for me is bad. But that story's been pretty well out there. And the answer is yes, they were.
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Yeah. What did they do in the spa?
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Yeah, people that work in the spa. I have a great spa, one of the best spas in the world at Mar a Lago. And people were taken out of the spa, hired by him. In other words, gun. And other people would get and complain. This guy is taking people from the spa. I didn't know that. And then when I heard about it, I told him, I said, listen, we don't want you taking our people. Whether it was spa or not spa. I don't want him taking people. And he was fine. And then not too long after that, he did it again. And I said, out of here.
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Mr. President, did one of those stolen.
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You know, persons that include Virginia Nephre?
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I don't know. I think she worked at the spa. I think so. I think that was one of the people. He stole her. And by the way, she had no complaints about us, as you know, none whatsoever.
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It's one of the best spas in the world at Mar A Lago. Ron, just get that in there. You know, you're talking about child sex trafficking, and he has to talk about how Mar A Lago has one of the best spas in the world.
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Well, yeah, I mean, that's just. That's what he does, you know. You know, this inability to say no comment. You know, this inability. I mean, every. Me as. As a former criminal defense lawyer, of course, I, you know, every time. Every time I would watch one of my clients, like, start talking to the police on tape, I would start, you know, breaking out in hives and start cringing and go. I can't tell you how many times I sat there listening to tape recordings over the years going, please stop. Please stop. Please stop talking. Get up, leave. You know, I mean, so many times. And I'm sure that, like, his people are saying the same thing every time he talks about this subject. Because, I mean, the smart thing for any politician, any person in this position is being accused of some pretty heavy stuff, and there are some connections there, and. And things are being covered up for sure. That's undeniable. Is. Is, you know, to say nothing to do. Just say, look, I'm focused on the trade deal. I'm focused on this. I'm focused on running the company, flying the plane. I'm not talking about that. Direct all those inquiries to, you know, Bondi or whatever. But. Yeah, but the problem is Trump is simply unable to do that. He cannot ever not comment on something. So in. In a way, it's like. It's a strength and it's weak and it's his weakness because it's his strength.
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Because.
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For two reasons. Number one, that's one of the big reasons why so many of his supporters love him, you know, because he will talk about any subject. You can ask him about anything. Coca Cola. You can ask him about the New York Yankees. You can. And he'll give you an opinion. It might be wrong, but, you know, he'll make them laugh, even though he might not make us laugh, but, you know, he'll use his. He'll make some crass, crude remark about it. He'll give some opinion on it that'll be off the wall. He'll segue into something else and talk about himself. Of course, at some point, make it about himself, and they love it. So. So in that way, it's a strength. And another. And here's another way. It's a strength. He floods the Zone with so much bullshit every single day that it's almost impossible for the media to ever pin him. Pin one thing down or, like, make one thing the story of the day, because he's thrown 50 different wild conspiracies out there that. You know, I know we blame the media a lot. I know lots of people blame the media not for not focusing on this or not focusing on that. And. And look, I've been in that position, too, where some people have criticized me. Well, why didn't you talk about that? It's like I just talked about 20 other crazy things he did today. I'm sorry.
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Flooding the Zone. That is a strategy. Flooding the Zone.
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Part of strategy.
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Right.
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But. But it's also a weakness because, you know, he keeps changing his story about this.
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Well, it's all on record, so eventually it's gonna catch up with him.
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But he's changed the story about why he ended his relationship with Epstein. He's given, like, four different versions of this.
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Yes.
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You know, and the original version was actually, like, the one that made the most sense. But then, like, some of the. I think what he knows is the evidence in the Epstein files don't match up with his original defense. And that's why he's changing his original defense. His original defense, years ago, back in 2016 and all that, when he was first asked about this stuff, was that once he heard that Epstein was messing around with young girls or whatever, once he heard that through the grapevine or whatever, that's when he cut off his relationship with him. He had no idea that that's what he was doing. But I think the Epstein. What he knows is what's in those files contradicts that. The timeline of that doesn't work out. So he's trying to come up with new stories. But. But he's told multiple different stories here because he just. A couple months ago, he floated this story that it was that he had hit on the daughter of one of his friends at Mar A Lago. And that friend was irate, and he broke. Ended his friendship. Because with Epstein, because of that incident, now it's. He's poaching employees, and he uses the word steal.
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Yeah.
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And then he actually brought in her name. Virgin. Virginia. Right, Virginia.
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It's Virginia Duffrey. I noticed the reporter Called her Virginia Guthrey, which, again, is such lazy reporting.
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Right? Yeah. I mean, you know, it. It's bizarre that he. I mean, the. The smart thing to say right there was, oh, you know, I don't. I don't remember that person's name. It was so long ago. But instead he goes, yeah, yeah, I think it was her.
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But he starts with a no, and then it becomes a yes, and then it becomes yes. She's the one. I remember he took her.
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Yeah, yeah. And she. And she liked working for me. You know, it's like.
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Right.
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I mean, as a criminal defense lawyer, I'm like, cringe. I'm going, oh, my God, please. You have a Fifth Amendment right. You know, you have a right to remain silent. You need to start exercising.
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But once again, we are trying to analyze a sociopath. You know, 27 psychiatrists diagnosed him when they wrote the. The book the Dangerous Case of Donald Trump, as. As a sociopath and a malignant narcissist and a very dangerous man. And then they said that World War Three would be around the corner if he was given access to power.
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You know, this is actually interesting that you mentioned that, because I was just thinking about something, you know, me doing criminal law for 29 years.
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Yes.
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Is that in child sex, child molesters, child sex cases confess a very high percentage of the time, much more than any other defendant for any other kind of case. More than murders or robberies or drug traffickers, they confess more. And there's been studies that have been done on this. And, and, and part of what the studies have shown is that these people have the key. This is such a deep, dark secret. You know, it's not like robbing a bank. It's something that they hide from everyone around them, from their friends, from their family, that they're into child porn or whatever the case may be, or they're, you know, molesting a relative or something. And, and, but. And they have such tremendous guilt, and they want to get it out and they want to tell somebody, but they can't. And so when they finally get caught and are confronted by a law enforcement officer about the facts of what happened, they just unload all of a sudden and they just spill their guts. Now, I'm. I'm not saying Trump is like that because he doesn't have the guilt aspect of it, but I think there's an element of that here where the. That's part of the reason why he can't stop talking about it.
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Right.
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You know, and the other reason he can is because his supporters simply will not accept a no comment.
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And. And that's why the Epstein files story won't leave him alone, because the stakes are so high in this. I was gonna say Michael Wolf has been making a couple appearances on. On Midas Touch in the last 48 hours.
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I know he's, like, got new life again. He's back.
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He is back, and he talks. And for those who don't know, Michael Wolfe is Trump's biographer. He was gonna be Epstein's biographer. He spent five years interviewing Epstein before he decided not to write Epstein's book. But he's written a bunch of books on Donald Trump, of course, and on Rupert Murdoch, interestingly. And. And he says that he was shown out of a safe at Epstein's apartment or house. These Polaroids of Donald Trump with girls. He. He said they were of an unspecified age, I think, but he. He alluded to the fact that they were clearly very young and that they were on his lap and he was in. In his pants, but I think he was a nude up top, and they were laughing and pointing to a stain on his pants. And it was like a kind of a scene, a tableau, as it were. And this is very damning evidence. If indeed those images, which he says were probably seized from Epstein's house when it was raided, if these are in the Epstein files, then this gives you a clue as to why Donald Trump is kind of running, you know, running around in circles.
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Yeah. So Mike Johnson used a key word here. He repeated. See, when. When. When Donald Trump first talked about that, he, like two weeks ago, where he said he wanted Bondi to release the evidence. I. I got hung up on one word he used, which is he said she should release all credible evidence. Right. So I. The credible part was what, like, was like a red alarm bell for me, because what that says is now he's giving her. And keep in mind, this is not her handling this Epstein. It is Todd Blanche, right, Who is Donald Trump's former criminal defense lawyer, now deputy Attorney General, who's handling the Epstein matter, who interviewed Maxwell. So what Donald Trump is saying is I want my criminal defense lawyer, former criminal Blanche, to go through the files, and I. I authorize. I'm telling him I want him to release anything that he determines is credible. So I thought, oh, well, I don't think that that word is a word that Trump usually uses. And I think that that word was put there for a reason when he made his statement. And then what reaffirmed that was Mike Johnson. Mike Johnson was on Meet the Press, I think it was on Sunday. And he was asked about this and he, he said that he goes, look, he go. When she said, well, Trump said he wants Bondi to release the evidence. And Johnson corrected the interviewer, I think it was Kristen Welker and said, no, no, wait a minute, that's not what he said. He said he only wants credible evidence released. And he said that word is very important, credible. And that told me, okay, this is what this is, this is their way out now they're going to release some stuff and they're going to say the other stuff we found not to be credible. And that of course is going to be anything to do with Donald Trump.
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I mean, you know, this is obviously and so blatantly a cover up on massive, a massive, massive level. And you don't have to be a brain surgeon or an investigative police officer to kind of work out what, what's happening here. And so, you know, this isn't going to go away because, not because people like you and I are calling for the release of the Epstein files, but because Trump's own base and, and these kind of right wing and far right personalities are calling for the release of the Epstein files. Do you, do you think that they know that he is likely named in there and for the wrong reasons?
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The most common argument defense that is put out by the right wing, influencer, politician class of people to, to say that that is not the case is, hey, why didn't Biden put it out? Trump, Trump used that defense. He didn't. He never used that defense until the last couple days. He's latched onto it now, which is, hey, if there was anything bad about me, Biden would have released it. Well, you know, let's just think about this. We're talking about Merrick Garland. It's not Biden. Right? I mean, this is a closed case. It's a case that was still, I think, being prosecuted. Maxwell was being prosecuted maybe into the Biden administration. Not sure if she was actually convicted before Biden took office. I don't think so. But her appeals are still pending. She still has appeals pending. So this is not a closed matter by any means. It's closed with respect to Jeffrey, but not her. And so it's highly, highly. And then by the way, we also learned that only two witnesses testified in front of the grand jury. So when they talk about unsealing grand jury transcripts, like I said, it was less than 1%. Yes, it was way less than 1%. So that's, that's A red herring. But, but that's sort of. So the idea like, is Merrick Garland would have to go through all those files and decide to release all of them. And I'll stipulate there's plenty of stuff in there about Democrats, I'm sure, I'm sure there's plenty of stuff about Bill Clinton. I'll stipulate that. And so you can make one of two arguments. What I think is, is, is, look, this is a closed case with an appeal pending of one co defendant, and the DOJ would never, ever release an investigative file to the public in a situation like that, ever. So of course Trump wants to build a conspiracy, though, about, well, if I was in there, they would have released it to cost me the election. Right, but what do we know about Merrick Garland? I mean, this guy is frustrating to us that he, you know, is so slow and inactive and unaggressive. It's, it doesn't shock any of us that Merrick Garland wouldn't do anything with this if there was a bunch of allegations about Trump, because there was also probably allegations about Bill Clinton in there, too. So it's a wash. So I can definitely see a lot of reasons why they wouldn't put that out to the public, legal and political. Aside from the fact that Donald Trump is innocent.
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There is so much evidence that I think people forget about because this story has been going on for so long. I watched an interview with Virginia Giuffre from, from a few years ago, and she was talking about Ghislaine Maxwell, saying that she was the mastermind, that she was much more calculated than Jeffrey Epstein. And, and, and, and yet this is Trump's star witness to try and get him out of this situation.
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Trump said he wishes her well.
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Right. It's just, I mean, he also said he, you know, he didn't get the, the privilege of going to Epstein island either. So, I mean, what's only coming out of his mouth? But I do think that it's important that we remember that Trump is not. Well, he is a seriously compromised individual. And, you know, I've been covering a lot of European news. The also, you know, appearing on European shows, talking about Trump and the reportage over there, they just, they kind of take him at his word. And we do that here as well to a certain extent. And I just wish there would be a mental health professional sitting on every panel who goes, the guy is a sociopath. You cannot trust a word that he says. And just because he's the President, it doesn't mean that everything is gospel.
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Yeah, you really, really have to know him well and study him for a long period of time to be able to separate out, like, no, he's. He really means this, or, no, he's just saying this for effect. So, yeah, anybody who just blanketly, like, accepts what he says and believes it is wrong, and everyone who just automatically discounts everything he says is also wrong, you know, you really have to study him for a long period of time, and then you can actually get very good at predicting, like, when he, when he means it and what he does when he doesn't. Because he, he. He does send off those. He does telegraph those things and send off the signals. But you have to know, like, what to look for.
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You know, it's, it's, it's complex. It needs people like you and I and our colleagues at Midas Touch to, To be there in a little box in the corner of the screen as the translator. Right?
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Well, yeah, me and, me and Asen could do it all day long. We could sit there and watch a Trump speech and go, okay, that's not, He's. No, he's not going. Yeah, no, that's B.S. like, lock her up. You know, Hillary, he never, that was never serious. You know, that was always for effect. But, but when he said, you know, I'm gonna get revenge and retribution on my enemies, like, I absolutely believed every bit of that, that he was going to weaponize DOJ and go after his political opponent. When he said he was going to go after the press and try and, you know, go after media networks, I absolutely believe that. When he said he was going to go after universities, I believed all that. You know, so there's, There are some things that, like, I, I never believed that he said during the campaign, like, he's going to end the war in Ukraine in 24 hours. But, you know, there were plenty of things that he threatened that I took very seriously. And it's the same thing now, the same thing with trade, you know, with the tariffs and all that, you know, you have to separate out. But I think, I think, you know, and we could talk about that because I spent so much time. I spent a lot of time on European press this week, too, over this trade agreement. But I think what they've all figured out on the tariffs and the trade is you just got to give him something that he can declare as a win.
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Right?
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And if you throw something, if you promise him something that he can then take to the American media and his supporters, that looks like a win. He'll go away. You know, you can make him go away on, like, serious. He'll concede serious if. If you'll give him. Throw him like. Like, you know, Japan. We're gonna. We're gonna. We pledge that our companies are gonna invest 550 billion in the United States over the next three years, and then Trump can go as he did again today. I got $550 billion from Japan. He got nothing.
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Nothing.
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It's just. It's just the promise. Same thing with the EU. The EU. Ursula pledges 700 billion. Okay. First of all, she has no control over her member states to direct them.
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To do anything, because it's a democracy.
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And second of, like, hung. There's nobody in Hungary that has to give any money to the United States because of this deal.
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Yeah.
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And second of all, all that is. Is, like, that's our goals and aspirations for European companies to invest in the United States. There's nothing hardcore. There's nothing in writing. There's no requirements. It's just a goal.
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But the fact that it's all performative and that's all that Trump wants is the opportunity to make an announcement that doesn't need to be followed through on. And this goes back almost a decade. I mean, this goes back. We often mention that kind of Foxconn event where he's like, you know, they're gonna. They're gonna bring $500 billion, and they're gonna produce iPhones in America, and then they kind of dig a hole in the ground with a shovel, and then when the cameras go, they fill the hole back in, and that's the end of it. So he does have form in this arena, but the problem when he's interacting with these world leaders who are credible, and Ursula von der Leyen is a very highly respected European politician with an awful lot of experience. She's far smarter than Donald Trump. She's a much better deal maker. She basically played him and had to sit there with a poker face while he did his whole spiel to the cameras, knowing full well that she could run.
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A
Here's the frustrating part for me, you know, and. And also, let's take her with the Japanese. The Japanese PM lost his election, like, a week after he supposedly made this trade deal with Trump. So keep in mind there, the Japanese parliament has to ratify this agreement, and they have. They. The government was just dissolved, so that negotiated this agreement. So even their promises are not. There's a whole new government now forming in Japan. So. But the frustrating part to me is that they're giving him these wins and they're giving him the, this propaganda. Right. But I, I mean, like, from my standpoint, I'm looking at it like, why are you helping him domestically? You are not helping the resistance in the United States by appearing to cave to him and playing these games with him. You are hurting the Democratic Party and our ability to fight Donald Trump by doing this. But then I think, well, that can't be their, their concern. They have to look out for their own country and their own interests, I guess, short term interests, and they can't sit there and go, I'm gonna go to war with Donald Trump for the next three years hoping that the Democrats take over. They just have to look out for themselves. And it's unfortunate because what they're doing is by, by playing into his, his lies is they're making him look like he's winning.
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B
They're giving him credibility. He's not. No.
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A
And they're giving, they're lending their credibility to him.
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B
I also think, I think they're less worried about the kind of political ramifications. I think they're more worried about World War iii, knowing how volatile he is. And I also, as I said before on this show, I think that they fear a NATO war versus Russia. And I don't think they can guarantee at this stage which side the United States will be on. And so, as we saw with, they're playing it very carefully because, you know, he, he's like a tinderbox. Could go off at any moment.
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A
As we saw with Zelensky. Right. It's a lot easier to go through your day with. Donald Trump is not mad at you. You. Right. You know, and so when Donald Trump was mad at Zelensky, he cut off aid. You know, he was yelling and screaming about him. He threw him out of the United States.
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B
That's right.
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A
You know, and then, you know, now their, their relationship is a little bit better. It's thawed, let's say a little bit. It wasn't, wasn't what it was then. And I think the reason for that is because he got a lot of backlash from Republicans in Congress after that meeting. And the polls were terrible. His approval rating on Ukraine went to like the low 30s after that meeting. And so I think that Zielinski plays this game because, because Zelensky compliments Trump all the time. And, you know, Zielinski can't stand Trump. No, but he, he's figured out that it's just easier to go, to play this game and to stroke his ego because I'VE got to protect my people. And I think that that's what all these leaders are thinking.
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B
Well, that's because they talk, Ron. You know, these leaders are all in communication. And there will be strategy meetings amongst European leaders as to how to handle Donald Trump and there'll be consultants and political advisors and political scientists and people, hopefully some psychiatrists as well, giving advice on how to play him. And because the reality is there are no trade deals. The trade deal with Europe, 15% on everything except maybe steel and maybe this and maybe that. He hasn't got. You know, he keeps saying, oh, they don't buy our cars. Well, that's because Chevy and General Motors don't make left hand drive vehicles. Right hand drive vehicles.
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A
You know, it's like make them too big.
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B
Make them too big and too unreliable.
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A
We're going to sell like Ford F150 pickup trucks in France.
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B
Right. And also these vehicles, a lot of them, they don't meet European safety standards either.
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A
And yeah, and he thinks we're going to sell beef to Australia.
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B
Yeah.
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A
I mean, that's like trying to sell, you know, instant coffee to Italy.
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B
Right.
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A
You know, I mean, Australian beef is a lot better than ours. So.
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B
So there's no concept, there's no understanding of, of the culture or the history of the trade or even recognizing that free trade with your allies should be a given. You know, it's only Trump that came up with this idea that if you're not buying enough from us, then you're ripping us off when everyone's economies are of different scale.
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A
You know, what all the European experts have said, like universally is, is what they're going to do to placate Trump to try and satisfy some of these promises is they're going to do what they were already going to do. They're going to buy a bunch of oil from the United States, which they were going to have to do because they stopped buying Russian oil.
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B
Right.
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A
So that's one way to meet this pledge is. And the other way is they're going to buy weapons from the United States because of the threat of Russia. So they're going to buy more weapons from us. Those are the two sectors that they are going to spend money in the United States on. Big oil and the military industrial complex. They're not going to buy our cars and our wine and our consumer products. They're going to buy those two things and they're going to buy a lot of it. And that's going to allow Trump to declare this big victory. But news flash, they were going to do that anyway.
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B
They're also.
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A
There was a trade deal or not.
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B
But there's also, you know, buying into these bribes as well. You know, the buying Trump crypto or, you know, doing something that just gets into his good books. The, the corruption is just so out there. I mean, we've seen that with, with Qatar and the uae and you're playing all these games with Trump. You know, these payments and gifts are personal. They're not even going into the Fed. You know, the. Literally, like handing a $400 million plane to Donald Trump. It's. It's so backward. I want to play this.
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A
You notice he, he mentioned to Keir Starmer that he wants those windmills gone.
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B
Oh, yes.
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A
Golf course.
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B
That's right. Well, that's where all of this stems from. I wish a reporter keep an eye on that. I wish one Reporter would say, Mr. President, why do you keep calling them windmills when that's not what they are like?
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A
I'm waiting for an announcement, though, from the Scottish Parliament that the wind turbines off the Aberdeen Post are going to be removed.
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B
Yeah, the lies about the wind turbines just drive me crazy. You know, he says they last three or five years. They last 30 years. He says that, you know, China doesn't have any. Well, China has more wind turbines than any other country. And he's one of the biggest. And solar. And it's just all lies.
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A
And the stuff about that was like, the only issue that Starmer corrected him on.
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B
Yes.
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A
That was like where he goes, no, we. We don't. We believe in a mix, he said.
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B
But he copped out. I don't know if you've seen the movie Love, actually, where Billy Bob Thornton plays the U.S. president. And, and that's an old movie.
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A
It's been a long time.
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B
It is, but it's one of my favorites. You know, it's like a romantic comedy for, For Christmas and, and, and the British. The British Prime Minister kind of interrupts him while they're in a press conference and says, well, no, actually, we're, you know, this is not a good deal. And then kind of piles into him and then the music plays and it's all rather wonderful, that British prime to America. And I was just really Hugh Grant. That's who it was. Hugh Grant playing the right Prime Minister. And I just thought it would be so wonderful if, if not that Kia Starmer is anything like Hugh Grant. But it would have been wonderful in that moment to have a love actually sequence where, because Claudia Scheinberg Baum stood up to him and he's left her alone. And, and Mark Carney stood up to him and he's left him alone. Just stand up to him. He needs boundaries. It's like me with my 7 year old boy, you know, I just have to set the boundaries and he respects that.
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A
There's only one guy who is standing up to him, I mean, you know, from a big country and that's President Xi of China, you know, and that's, and that's the big enchilada. I mean that's our biggest trading partner over a single country. And you know, until, until he reaches a satisfactory trade deal with China. A lot of this other stuff is window dressing because that's the big one. And she, you know, when you talk about, everybody's talking to each other. Well, one guy who's not really a part of all that is Chi. You know, he's, he's got his own strategy and his strategy is to ignore Trump and let the underlings do the talking. And, and you know, that's why there's no trade deal with China. I mean that's, that's the big one because that's the one that is really going to affect inflation and prices of consumer goods. At some point here when all these countries run out of their inventory that they bought before the pause and they're having to sell stuff with 40, 50 China tariffs on it, that's, that's when a rubber is going to meet the.
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B
Road, you know, 100%. Let me show this clip of from Brian Kilmeade talking about the, this trade deal with the EU and the 50% tariff on steel and aluminium on that.
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A
So Charlie, I hear you, but it's hard for me to think that this is the type of deal that would have been done in his first term because between the whole Russia thing and people not taking him seriously, I think if you look at where we were in April and then see what's come in from Indonesia to the Philippines, now the Japan, Vietnam and now the eu, I think he's pretty much defying almost all of his critics that he didn't have a plan. What about this 50% tariff on EU steel and aluminum, the big picture there? What, how is that going to affect all of us? Well, it's going to, theoretically. If we need to buy steel from them, it's going to cost us more. I mean, again, Brian, you kind of put this in context. Every penny we get from them is being passed to the US consumer. So remember, not necessarily.
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B
Right.
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A
It's got to Be the choice.
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B
The company buys it.
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A
Companies, some companies will eat it for now, so far. But remember, companies don't report to the president. They report to shareholders and they have a fiduciary responsibility for profit margins. And at some point, and that point is coming, I mean, you can see it, there have been price increases on certain goods. I mean, there's no doubt. And you know, this deal has just been cut. So I would just say this is good. It's good to have a trade deal. It's better than, by the way, 15% is manageable. It's not going to blow up the global system. But let's be real clear here. You know, tariffs, cost, they're a tax. That tax often gets passed on to consumers. Right. And unless they want to make it here. And that's also a goal.
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B
But so, Charlie, for people, not, not enough people, certainly in the coverage of Scotland have been talking about the fact that, that it's the American consumers that are going to have to cover the cost of these tariffs.
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A
Yeah. So, you know, I follow Charlie Gasparino because he's there. He's there like tariff guy for Fox News, you know, so, and he like 90 of the time, like is a straight shooter. I mean, he tells the truth on this stuff. So but typically he doesn't go on the Fox and Friends there, you know, which is the puff news. He usually goes on Fox Business Business, which is more of the hard news. And any, and you know, that's where they, everyone except for Maria Bartiromo pretty much knows what they're talking about. And so, you know, there's not a big deal. But when I woke up the morning after the EU deal, it was announced overnight, I saw Gasparino was going to be on Fox and Friends being interviewed by kill me at 6:30am and I said, oh, you know, this is going to be interesting because I know that like, Kill Meat is a, is a, you know, and he's gonna, he's a lightweight and he doesn't know what he's talking about. But they have a huge audience of brainwashed people. And I knew that Charlie was going to tell the truth, and he did. I mean, we just saw one clip, but I watched the whole thing. That was a pretty contentious interview where, you know, he kept pushing back on Kill Meat on this on. And Kill Me said, We just got 550 billion from Japan. I almost fell out of my chair. It's like, where's that money? Let me see it. So, yeah, it was very interesting. He probably won't be invited back anytime soon. But it was interesting to hear him drop some, some truth bombs. But, you know, I think the point is what he kept saying was it when he says it's a good deal, what he's saying is it's not, it's not a good deal compared to like where we were six months ago. It's a good deal compared to where we were a month ago. In other words, before Trump announced all this insanity. Yes. Compared to that, it's better, but it's still worse than where we were before Trump took office in many respects. And then of course, Kilmeade says, well, unless we manufacture everything here, then it's no problem. Okay, well, good luck with that.
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B
Yeah, I mean, this is all going to come to nothing. I mean, none of these trade deals are going to be closed. He's not the great deal maker he claims. Meanwhile, the Fed have decided to keep interest rates on hold. So that's going to cause a whole fuss because it's again, it's kind of leveraging the fact that he hasn't done any of these deals and so the economy is just not going to turn as he hoped. And I keep saying this, I don't trust the data anymore. All the economic data that comes out is going through the White House. He's basically taken control of the flow of information. And so going forward, I'm not going to trust GDP or jobs numbers. I'm really not. I mean, I trust Jerome Pal because he proved last week that he's pretty much isolated and he's not standing for any of Trump's craziness.
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A
Yeah. I think what we're going to have to increasingly do is look at numbers that come from industry sectors like the Home Builders association, people like in retailers on their prices and stuff up and, and not on the Department of Labor, the Department of Commerce. And you know what? And I look at those kind of numbers all the time, which is like home inventory, unsold homes, people backing out of closings is that is higher than it's been in like many years since pre Covid. And so there is a, and, and from what he said, you know, countries are eating the tariffs. So in other words, like if we're putting a, a 15 tariff on European products, so an importer of European wine is not going to pass that tax onto the consumer is what Trump says, what Lutnick says and what kill Mead was repeating right there. Well, there might do that in the short term for a few months. They might take that short term hit because they're trying to maintain their market share number one. And number two, they're hoping that these tariffs are going to go away because Trump has threatened them and taken them off before. So, so they might do the short.
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B
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A
Yeah, I had to get some water there. Yeah, got me all choked up.
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B
Talk to me about the Obama conspiracy because there's been a whole bunch of distractions I guess to distract from the Epstein files investigation and everything that goes with that. And, and so they're now kind of claiming that Obama was investigating Trump, you know, back at the. When was that like 2015 time. Just tell us a little bit about the history before I play this clip from CNN with Mullen.
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A
Which, which clip do you have?
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B
This is the one with, with Mark Wayne Mullen.
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A
Oh, Mark. Yeah, the Mark Wayne Mullen one. Yeah, I, this is, you know, this is pretty funny because by the way, if you search Mark Wayne Mullen's name, which I did today.
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B
Yeah.
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A
To look, to look for something, you don't need to use his last name. You know, the odd, the odd. Oddly enough, Mark. There is no other Mark Waynes.
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B
I was gonna say, I thought it was a spelling mistake.
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A
You don't even need to Google search his last name. Just put Mark Wayne and he's the only one that comes up, oddly enough. But I, I digress from that. But yeah, I mean, you know, they, they put out this new conspiracy, you know, to deflect from. Purely to deflect from Ed Epstein. You know, Bongino and Patel put this out and you know, the conspiracy of course is like rehashing the Russia Gate and gap. Tulsi Gabbard is, you know, instigated this to save her job. And of course, Trump latches onto it. I mean, it's just a ridiculous conspiracy that, you know, they supposedly manufactured the whole thing, that the Russians never tried to interfere in our election. And this was all a conspiracy by Obama to make to, to. But it was done after the election. So, so, so it wasn't to influence the election. It was to discredit Trump going into his first term. It's, it's a convoluted conspiracy. But the point is you have this guy like Mark Wayne who's like a moron, you know, and Oklahoma is really doing themselves proud this week between him and their education commissioner who's been in hot water, you know, he's trying to go on and explain and defend, defend the Obama conspiracy with Jake Tapper, you know, and, you know, for all our criticisms of Jake Tapper, he does his homework and he comes prepared for interviews. And so, you know, he, and he knows what he's talking about when it comes to Russiagate because he was right in the middle of it, reporting on all of it. So when Mark Wayne starts to, like, get all the timeline mixed up and the dates and stuff, you know, he got called and, and made him look like a fool, but he did, of course, what MAGA always does, he doubled down. You know, he just, he, he just kept continuing to argue with, with him that he was right. Now, now back, I think back when the Obama stuff was going on, the Russia gate stuff in 2016, Mark Wade Mullen was a plumber at that time. So, you know, I don't think he was exactly following all of this stuff closely. But, yeah, this was just, it's just embarrassing then that, like, they send out these sycophants to try and defend this conspiracy and they don't even know what the conspiracy is about.
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B
He also says the quiet part out loud towards the end. Let's take a look.
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E
And that's why Attorney General Bondi was saying, well, then tell me why. For months she was saying that she's going to release the information tomorrow. We made the assumption that the judges would release the order and allow the evidence that they had, that it could be heard if it's. But it's all been sealed. And so if it's been a sealed case, we can't release it until the judges allow us to release it. And you would think common sense would play. That's why they asked for transparency. We want transparency. We want the judges to have transparency in this, too. But remember, there was a plea deal that was struck in 2009, way before I was in office, way before Trump was even considering to be in office, way before Pam Bonnie was office, way before Cash Patel was directed. 2009, there was a sweetheart plea deal that was made underneath the Obama administration with Epstein. And that that sweetheart has not been exposed. No, it was 2000. Well, when was he heard? It was 2008. It was. The U.S. attorney at the time was a guy named Alex Acosta. He was a Bush appointee. He went on to become President Trump's Secretary of Labor. It all took place in 2008. Who was in office at the time? 2008? George W. Bush. Who was in office at the time? George W. Bush. No, 2009 is when the case came out. And it was. Obama was in office at the time. It's not true. But let me ask you a question.
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B
I mean, we, you know, part of the problem of employing plumbers, no disrespect to plumbers, but, you know, and parking enforcement lawyers, and all of these various, you know, inexperienced, unsuitable, unqualified people to take positions in Trump's administration slash regime is that it's total chaos. I mean, there really is nobody with any expertise at any level. And so you just, we, you know, we. And Jake Tapper, not that I would ever like to put us in the same box, are having to just humor these people who don't bring receipts. They just say anything and you just end up wasting your time analyzing their nonsense.
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A
Yeah. So, I mean, in addition to Mullen trying to present the Obama Russiagate conspiracy, he also veers off in that interview, what we just saw right there.
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B
Yeah.
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A
On the Epstein and trying to rope Obama into Epstein by claiming that he was the one responsible for negotiating the sweetheart plea deal that Epstein got in South Florida, which was a ridiculous plea agreement. Now, the other thing that Acosta, I don't think. I don't think Tapper mentioned this, but Alex Acosta was then, first of all, was done under George W. Bush. He was. He was George W. Bush's U. S. Attorney for South Florida. It was all done under the Republicans, not under. Under Obama. But then when Trump takes office, he tries to appoint Acosta as his labor secretary. And that was the whole reason why his nomination fell apart was because of this sweetheart plea deal he gave. So he's actually trying to, like, rope Obama in to criticize Obama about a sweetheart plea deal that was done by a Donald Trump appointee and a George Bush appointee.
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B
It suggests to me that we're going to hear more and more of this stuff. You know, the. The chances of these. I call them henchmen, you know, the people who are kind of in Trump's orbit. We never really get to learn enough about the henchmen. But these people are all doing Trump's bidding and in some cases, getting a lot of it wrong. And I wanted to mention Tulsi Gabbard. You mentioned her previously, but, you know, she's been making all of these claims about Russian interference and saying that the whole thing was a hoax and all this. And so today we've heard Susan Miller, who is the former head of counterintelligence, who basically has come out and said that Gabbard is giving false statements and misrepresentations of discoveries made by, by Miller's team about Russian actions, which she insisted were based on multiple trusted and verified, verified sources. The experts need to step up. The people who were in office at the time, in my opinion, need to come forward. I want to hear from James Clapper, I want to hear from people who were in the room where it happened and who are correcting the record, because we know that Trump time shifts. We talked about that a little bit earlier with Virginia Giuffre, but they're all doing it now. They're all time shifting and they're all rewriting history because they think that it was so long ago that people don't remember, but that's not how political history works.
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A
And that. That's why, in my opinion, they made a big blunder by listening to Laura Loomer and firing the woman, the pros, James Comey's daughter, you know, and, and again, that the reason why they fired her was because she was James Comey's daughter. And when Laura Loomer started that crusade was after Comey posted his 8647 Seashell photo on Instagram. Is when Laura Loomer then started this crusade, noticed that Comey's daughter was still in the Justice Department, still with the U.S. attorney's office in New York, and said, and started banging the drum, saying, why is she still working for the Trump administration when she's James Comey's daughter? We can't trust her. We got to get her out. So they end up firing her. But the problem is she happened to be Jeffrey Epstein and slain Maxwell's prosecutor. So now she's not. She's in the private sector. And. And so if they do release anything in these Epstein files that is doctored with or monkeyed with. There's one person who's gonna know, and that's her. Yeah, she. She is gonna know. And so the question is, is she gonna step up and start. She hadn't done any interviews, you know, but if she was still in the doj, she wouldn't be able to say a word. She would have to resign in protest and then say something. But they would have leverage over her. They would have some control over her. And I don't believe that when they fired her, they really thought about that, that they really. That they process. I think they fired her because he was James Comey's daughter. I didn't think they. I don't think they thought through. Oh, wait a minute. She was also Epstein's prosecutor, and if we try and monkey with these files.
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B
And they probably didn't know.
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A
Call us out on that.
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B
They probably didn't even know. I mean, to me, all of these decisions they did. Right. All of these decisions are all on a whim.
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A
You don't make hiring decisions based on what Laura Loomer recommends.
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B
Yeah. And that's why the irony with. With Tulsi Gabbard, to me, is that, you know, we know that she's compromised by the Russians and Syria and everything else, and, and yet, you know, here we are having to kind of. Or now people are having to defend the record because she's spewing Russian propaganda.
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A
Yeah. And what we know is, like, Donald Trump was on the edge of firing her.
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B
Yes.
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A
Trashing her repeatedly behind the scenes, according to reporting and even publicly said. In fact, she does not know what she's talking about with respect to Iran and was mad at her for putting out the, the, the nuclear war video. You know, we're on the brink of nuclear war.
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B
Yeah.
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A
So she went literally from like, on the edge of being fired to overnight being a hero by. By releasing this Russian nonsense. And then she goes, she. She goes from the, the outhouse, the doghouse to the penthouse, just like that. And, you know, sounds like this guy.
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B
Yeah. Another one of these hench people is Kristi Noam, and she's now out in. Where is she now? Argentina and Chile. And she's, you know, again doing the rounds. She's with Corey Lewandowski. And this is more propaganda just to kind of bolster the regime's power and strength. Let's take a look. That was put out by the U.S. department of Homeland Security. And I'm sure, I recognize that that music from the imovie built in video editing settings where they've probably cut it on their phone. And I mean, it's just jokes.
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A
This is, yeah, steel artist music for these videos. But they've been gotten so many cease and desist and lawsuit threats. I think maybe they're using some other stuff. But, I mean, it was. It was shocking. I mean, because she went through her first, like, three months on the job where she was, you know, doing all this firefighter outfit. She's on boat, she's on helicopters, she's on planes, she's in flak jackets, body armor. You know, she dresses up in all these costumes. And. And she was doing that, like every day. And I was like, making hay with it. You know, I'm like every. I'm putting out the photos, the videos. People are going crazy. I'm talking about right wingers, too. Like, people on the right are embarrassed by her. They're like, even they are like. You know how you can tell? Because they don't defend her. They go quiet. They do the same thing we do when, look, when one of our people up, you know, when they screw up and does some stupid. What do we do? We, we go quiet. We don't. We to each other behind the scenes. But we're not going to go out on social media and trash our own people.
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B
Right?
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A
So that's what they were doing with Gnome. I mean, they got real quiet on Gnome when the left is piling on. They were not out there defending her. So. So that tells me, like, they're embarrassed, too. And I even saw a few tweets of them saying, really? Like, what are we doing here? You know? And so she goes on Fox News like a month ago, and she gets interviewed on a Sunday show and she gets called out on it by the Fox host. And I think that was a setup. I think there was people inside the Trump administration who wanted that to happen.
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B
Because she's the one who instigates these videos, and she's made several of them now. I mean, there's a Homeland Security video. If you go on the Homeland Security website, there's like a video of her going, do not come to the United States again with the music and the costume. And I mean, it's. It's horrifying. But I think that she. This is, this is the currency that she deals in, that she likes to be in promotional videos in the starring role.
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A
But the odd thing is, is, like, she stopped doing it after that Fox interview. When the Fox host criticized her. Yeah, she stopped doing it for like a month. And then she was wearing her suits and like, she kind of went back to like normal. But then all of a sudden she goes to this trip to Argentina and Chile. Well, I have no idea, you know, what the official, what she's actually accomplishing. But yeah, there were two things about that. They, she went back to this propaganda nonsense of her putting out videos of her riding a horse. Like that has something to do with Homeland Security. That was number one. And number two, she takes her rumored boyfriend. You know, Lewandowski. This comes like Daily Mail just did a story last week, I believe every word of it that she moved into this house on a Navy base in D.C. like the, the commandants thing where she's living for almost no rent. Lewandowski's moved into a place across the street. Gnome's husband is back in South Dakota with the kids. And it's like the worst kept secret in D.C. that these two have been having an affair for years. So he comes, she's on the payroll. He, he's a paid DHS employee who has been traveling with her while they are allegedly having affairs on their spouses and they're traveling the world together at taxpayer expense. He went on this trip with her to Argentina, not her husband. Corey went.
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B
I mean look, it's no different to Trump taking the entire family to Scotland for a vacation on the American taxpayers bill either. You know, this is, I think this is just how they operate with this administration. It's just anything goes. And you know, meanwhile you've got Doge taking away Medicaid and, and then they're spending 10 million bucks on a vacation. I mean it's ridiculous. I want to, I want to talk to you mentioned going on Fox News. This is Charlie Kirk on Fox News suggesting that kids shouldn't go to college because they can learn as much from watching Joe Rogan.
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E
Here he is also get the same wisdom and the same teaching, free and accessible online. Listening to podcasts, listening to long YouTube form videos. In fact, I believe that if you listen to Joe Rogan's podcast with some of his, the historians, if you listen to some of the deep dives that some of these top thinkers do, you're going to actually learn a lot more about Roman history. You're going to learn a lot more about Western civilization than if otherwise if you were stuck in some sort of sociology class at University of Massachusetts, Boston.
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B
Where's this coming from? Is this again to try and silence universities and, and gonna shut them down? Yeah.
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A
You know, it's funny, I was watching the other two hosts like the expressions.
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B
On I know one one looked down didn't he? He was just like, I can't believe I'm hearing this.
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A
They, they, before that clip, to preface it, they, they were talking about how they were arguing about this backstage.
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B
Right.
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A
So this is Charlie Kirk's debut on Fox. Like he's never been. This is, I don't, I guess what Fox is doing here is they're sort of mainstreaming this freak, you know, and they're, they're bringing him in because he has never guest hosted on FOX before. This is the first time was this week.
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B
So he's, he's a host there, is.
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A
He, he was a guest host of Fox and Friends or no wonder he.
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B
Was so well turned.
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A
He was not, he was not a guest. He was a guest host.
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B
Oh.
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A
And so I think that, that this kind of like caught some of our, like me and Aaron Rupar and Ace and you know, we monitor Fox.
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B
Yeah.
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A
We were sort of taken off aback by this because it's like he's never been at that level before. So it's almost like we're going through the, the Tucker Carlson experience again where they're like mainstreaming this fringy right wing kook.
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B
Yes.
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A
Who has all these weird ideas. And I've watched his podcast, I've watched him speak. This guy believes in a lot of crazy.
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B
Oh, he nuts. Yeah.
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A
So if he's gonna start regular on Fox, he's, they're going to end up getting sued at some point. So his first day, what does he do? He goes and he says, you know, he never went to college because he had a very wealthy guy. He, this, that took a liking to him. This like 80 year old sugar daddy type guy. How I, how I always think about it is the Anna Nicole Smith got with her husband. You know, like it was that kind of a. Maybe not, you know, all of it similar, but a similar relationship where he bankrolled Charlie when He was like 19 years old and helped him set up his business which struggled for a long period of time. But this guy put millions of dollars into Charlie's turning point thing. And, and Charlie's whole shtick was going around to college campuses, putting a table out, arguing with students and trying to show that he was smarter and knew more than they knew, even though he didn't go to college. And that, that was just stick for a long time until he got, you know, bigger and hooked up with Trump. So he goes on Fox and, and he basically launches into his, his spiel about how nobody should go to college and because they can learn just as much watching YouTube videos and Joe Rogan's show. And you could see the host there going, what? Are we really putting this out to our audience right now? Like, we're really telling parents that they should not have their kids go to college. And it's like, well, you know. Yeah. That maybe you could get away with that if you have a billionaire who's willing to give you $10 million to start a business. But guess what? Most of us don't have that.
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B
It's a sad and sorry state of affairs when that is becoming the kind of rhetoric that you don't need to study sociology. You can just listen to a historian being interviewed by Joe Rogan, who is. I mean, I watch Joe Rogan occasionally. Clips mainly. I can't handle the long form. But he is. He's. He's just dumb as they come. He really is not a smart person. He asks terrible questions. He's a total conspiracist. And you could really, if you chose to, you could manipulate his views so easily if you knew what you were doing. So to even kind of benchmark him. And, I mean, it's a sad indictment of where we're at in the. In the US that his podcast is up top, you know. Well, second position to the Midas Touch podcast.
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A
You know, it's telling because, I mean, we've seen many times, like, he had Tucker Carlson on his show, and then like a month later, he's on there trashing everything that Tucker Carlson said. He's like, oh, I. I suddenly realized, I become educated, that everything Tucker said on my show last month was a.
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B
Lie, but not in real time.
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C
Cash Patel.
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A
Yeah, he did it to Cash Patel this week.
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E
He.
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A
He had Cash on last month, and then he just did a whole show about how, hey, I just realized Cash lied to me on my show. You know, I mean, it's like, dude, why do you have these guys on?
- [73:26]
B
Yeah, he doesn't. He doesn't think critically enough to be able to ask appropriate questions in real time. So, you know, he'll do a car crash interview, and then there'll be fallout, and then there'll be backlash. Then he does some research, and then he has to kind of correct the record. And that is.
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A
That's basically his show.
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B
Yeah, it's not. Not journalism. Listen, we have to take another quick break, but I want to come back and talk about the school's chief in Oklahoma, who you alluded to earlier, who is the guy who wants Bibles or has already started to put Trump Bibles in. In all the Schools. Well, he's being caught with his pants down. We'll do that next. You can wear it when you go fishing in the morning, when you're running errands in the afternoon, and then hit a patio for drinks that night. And the shirt will hold up the whole day. That's Poncho. Poncho makes the ultimate outdoor performance shirts for men. Seriously, it's the one shirt that I keep reaching for. Super soft, right out the box. Just the right amount of stretch and it breathes like a dream. A vented back total lifesaver on hot, humid days. But it's not just about comfort. The shirt looks good, clean fit, nice structure, rolls up nice and somehow works whether you're hiking, traveling, or heading out for dinner. Mine's the classic denim shirt known as the Fort Davis. Goes with everything. Plus they pack in all the smart stuff like a hidden zipper pocket and built in lens, cloth and even a loupe to keep your sunglasses from vanishing. Poncho's got a bunch of great styles and fits. Original western denim, ultralight and all backed by their poncho promise free shipping, free returns, and free exchanges. So if you want a shirt that feels like your favorite tee but performs like gear, head to ponchooutdoors.com uncovered for $10 off your first order. That's P O N C-H O outdoors.com uncovered go try one out. Yes, I genuinely do love that Poncho shirt and so does Hunter Biden. Apparently it was wearing one in that two and a half hour interview that he gave the other day. So let's, let's talk about Ryan Walters. We've spoken about him on the show before and we've shown clips of him where he makes these threatening videos that, you know, every school should be teaching the ten commandments and should have the Bible. And then he goes and buys the Trump Bible, which of course has got the Bill of Rights in it and supposedly bits of the Constitution that don't mention slavery and all this stuff. So I mean, he, we know exactly who he is. Just set this story up for us before I play this clip.
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A
I mean, we all, we anybody who's. And we've reported on him more than anybody nationally. I've written about him more than anybody nationally. The Oklahoma and the local papers have done probably more than me. But as far as national, I've probably done the most reporting on Ryan Walters because this is a dangerous, weird dude and there's something seriously wrong with him. It's pretty obvious. Like he's not just A right wing kook. There's something seriously wrong with this dude. And so it would. This explosive story came out that they were having a board meeting that was oddly enough about disciplining and firing teachers over misconduct. So they have these like, whatever, they meet every six months or whatever to review all the complaints about teachers that have gotten in trouble in the state and they were doing some other business. But in the middle of this meeting, two of the board members, and keep in mind, these are all Republicans. These are not. There's no Democrats, there's no liberals, and there is no woke mafia. These are all conservative Republican right wingers from Oklahoma. And keep in mind, Oklahoma is the only state in the United States where every single county voted for Donald Trump. Every county. So Oklahoma is as Republican as it gets. And so they don't have any Democratic officials. So, so they're in this meeting and two of the board members notice porn playing on the screen behind him in the meeting on his TV screen. There's, there's naked women on full, full nude women. And she, the one lady says she was shocked. She didn't know what to say. She just kept looking. And then finally she stopped the meeting. She says, look, look, turn that TV off right now. I don't know what the hell that is, but you need. And, and he was startled and he turned around and he immediately, you know, run back and, and, and shut it off now. Okay, What I thought he was gonna do. And, and by the way, two of the board members said that they saw it. Two, not just the one. And then the third one who was there in the, in the meeting said that he didn't actually see that on the screen, but he, because he wasn't looking. But he said, well, he did see Walters jump up, turn it off, and came back and appeared like very nervous and changed the subject and didn't want to talk about it. You know, he didn't apologize or anything. You know. So I thought to me, what Walters was going to do is say I've been hacked. I was hacked by some liberal, you know, some leftist is out there. They hacked my computer and they played that on the screen. And I really believe that that's the defense he was going to go with. But keep in mind, this guy is a lunatic. So here's what he does. He rolls out this defense yesterday and today he rolls this out. I couldn't believe it. What he's saying is that Governor Kevin Stitt, who is far right Republican MAGA, who endorsed Ryan Walters when he ran is, is part of a grand conspiracy to take him out. And he got these two board members to make up this whole story and to just lie about the whole thing. That's his defense. And it's just like, I know that they're the, the sheriff has apparently opened an investigation. I hope that they're able to access all of his devices and find. I don't know the extent of the investigation. But you know what? Another funny part is that they announced like yesterday that they were opening an investigation into this. And then literally like three hours later, he said, they've exonerated me. You know, it's like, how did that happen so fast? You know, they haven't even, it's been like three hours. So this is far from over. It does seem very clear that Stitt and every other Republican official in Oklahoma is tired of this guy. He's embarrassing them and they want him out. But I don't think that Kevin Stitt would have two board members lie about porn to take out Ryan Walters.
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B
Let's, let's take a look at what he had to say.
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A
Board members have a lot to answer for. And so does the governor of the state of Oklahoma. Did he direct these board members to lie about me?
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E
Did he direct his board members members.
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A
To go in and disrupt everything in these board meetings?
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B
State. It's often the ones who are pushing an agenda that are also the ones who are kind of, you know, doing the, doing the, the bad stuff themselves. And so anyone who claims to be all good and righteous and you've got to have Bibles in schools and it's only the Ten Commandments and all that stuff. The ones who make the most noise are, are the ones who are, who are probably doing, making the most trouble.
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A
It wasn't just the Bible. He fired a principal because in his off duty time he did a drag show.
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B
Oh, that's right. I remember that.
- [81:14]
A
Fired that. He, he also tried to divert taxpayer funds to a Catholic online virtual school that was struck down by the courts.
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B
Yeah.
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A
So, yeah, he bought Trump Bibles and mandated Bible study in every school. When he was asked, okay, does that mean that people can also teach Islam, you know, in other religions? He said, absolutely not. You only could teach the Christian Bible, you know, so, yeah, this guy is a real, real nut job. Unfortunately, you know, unfortunately he doesn't come up for election until 2026. But, but I mean, they really need to impeach him or do something because he, he's a serious menace. And he's another one, by the way, who used to have A lot of fans and he's been on Fox News all the time, but there's nobody out there defending him right now. He's all alone.
- [82:07]
B
Candace Owens, who's another one of these conspiracy theorists who exists in this far right space, she has been claiming for what seems like years now.
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A
Yeah.
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B
That Emmanuel Macron's wife is actually a man. Now, this is hugely insulting. It's hugely inappropriate. Macron's wife is quite a lot older than him. And so I guess I don't know why she has beef with her, but this is the story that she's been running with. And finally, Emmanuel Macron's wife, Bridget, has decided to sue Candace Owens for this use of language. Have I got that right? Is that basically what's happened?
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A
Yeah, you know, there's been a couple, like, long standing conspiracies about Michelle Obama.
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B
Oh, yes.
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A
And Bridget McCrone. That they're both men and that they're trans and.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And that strong, intelligent women.
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B
They can't be women. They must be.
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A
And. And Emmanuel are really gay. And, you know, this is how they're hiding it. I mean, you know, these conspiracies have been out there for a long time. And that even though they both are mothers of multiple children. I think they both have three kids. Yeah. That they, that those were supposedly like adopted or surrogate parents or, you know, these conspiracies been out there for a long time. I thought it was great that for the first time somebody's fighting back. I mean, somebody filed a lawsuit. Yeah. Long overdue. I mean, I've been calling for this stuff for a long time. This is how to stop this stuff. You have to sue these people. We saw the Sandy Hook people do it with Alex Jones and clip his wings a little bit. We saw it happen with Rudy. Rudy Giuliani. You, You. This is the only way to stop these guys is to file these lawsuits. So I'm very. And she filed it in the United States, in Delaware.
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B
I was going to ask you if she filed it in France or in.
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A
The US and the thing about it is that Candace Owens has a lot of money. And not only that, she's married to George Farmer, who's a Brit with a lot of cash.
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B
Yes.
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A
And so, I don't know, like, my first thought was like, he's pro. I wonder if their assets are commingled or if he's got his money separate from her because he's loaded. He inherited, I think, a lot of money. So, you know, this is a legit lawsuit. She. She went Way further than accusing her of being, she, she, she has accused them of being like in a sex cults and all, trafficking children and all kinds of stuff that she has no proof of. And you know, Owens's defense is like, you have to prove you're not trans. And, and bridge is like, it don't work that way. You're going to have to prove in court that I am. So.
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B
Even, even despite this case, Candace Owens is doubling down on her opinions. Let's take a look.
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D
You were born a man and you will die a man. That's the point I'm making. So give us a sample. I'll send my doctor to take your blood. Figure it out real quick, however you want to go about this. Hey, how about just giving us some pictures again of you growing up, you know, raising your children? That would be fine. For whatever reason to phone, by the way. Like I said, we'll get to the bottom of it. Right? That is what discovery is for and ask a lot of questions. You're probably hoping, oh, you know, which, this will go away. And at least we'll say we sued her, we'll say we went after her. She'll probably file for this to get dismissed. I'd like to make it to discovery. I think that we owe that to the world. Anyways, you guys, we are revolting against this. We're revolting against the perverts that run the world. And I want to be very clear here. I count you among them. I think you're sick, I think you're disgusting. And I am fully prepared to take on this battle on behalf of the entire world. Okay, that's what I'm gonna say on behalf of the entire world. I will see you in court.
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B
She's nuts. I mean, this is, I mean I've always thought that about Candace Owens, is that she like Jordan Peterson, these kind of weird, far right individuals who present very well. You know, they look good, they wear nice clothes, they are eloquent. They are, but it's all a faux intellectualism.
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A
Yeah. You got Tommy Robinson in the uk Is your, is the guy that you got. Yeah. You mentioned Peterson from Canada. Right. So, yeah, I mean there's. These guys need to be taught a lesson. And I'm just so happy that this lawsuit is being filed and I understand why people don't want to file these lawsuits. They don't want to go through the discovery, they don't want to go through court and all that. But you know, you got to make an example of these people in it. And if Enough of these people get sued like a Charlie Kirk, like Candace Owens, like Tucker Carlson. If enough of them get sued, then you know, eventually that's going to filter out to the other ones where they're going to be a little bit more gun shy when they get that, that cease and desist letter. Because right now they're all defiant and they act brave. We saw this with Alex Jones. You know, he, he was defiant for the longest time. Then he went into court and he like tearfully apologized, cried like a baby all back. Right. I, I suspect we may see that with Candace, but you know, maybe not. The thing is she's got millions of followers and she's got lots and lots of people that listen to her show. So if she goes back, backs down. Right. Like at this point, point, yes. Then she just loses, loses her whole.
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B
But it's always about the money. I, I, I've, twice I've watched the Hunter Biden long form interview that he, he gave this week or last week. It's two and a half hours long. Do you know he comes up with some of the most articulate analysis of the way the world is right now. And he talks about these types of individuals. Of course they've libeled and slandered him endlessly. Sure. And, and he just says it's all about the money for them. This is just paycheck after paycheck. The more it's a, it's a business, the more abusive and outlandish they can be and more they can sucker in their, their fans and extract money from them. Then it's just, and I don't understand it because how much do these people need? I mean, it's like with Trump trying to, you know, sue this person and that person for a million dollars here and there. It's like, how much money do you actually need? And they just won't let it lie.
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A
I mean, to me, it's actually a very easy business model. I've said this for years, you know, if I decided to like do what they do, which I would never, ever do, but it would not be hard. I think I could build a massive right wing phone. All I got to do is every, every mass shooting, I just create this conspiracy behind it. I could, I could invent a lot of conspiracies off the top of my head, you know, and, and, and, and you'll, you'll get lots of clicks, you'll get dollars, you'll get eyeballs. Because the right, the right has these conspiracy theorists far, far more than the left. I can Tell you, you know, the left has some. There, there are a few out there, but they're very, very fringy and they don't get the big following because if I tried to put out some kind of like, conspiracy about a mass shooting or something, I would get annihilated. I would get fact checked to death by my own follower.
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B
Because people can think for themselves. I would think critical.
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A
Yeah, yeah. I mean, I can't get away with that. But on the right, that's their business.
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B
Model, you know, and they take advantage.
- [89:39]
A
They're way more successful lying than they are telling the truth.
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B
Right. They take, they take advantage of people's either lack of life experience or lack of education or lack of critical thought. And they just, they play into that. They know exactly what they're doing. That's the other thing. It's so calculated. We have to finish. We've got like two minutes. But I have saved the best till last because, of course, this is the video evidence of Donald Trump's cheating at golf on the golf course in Scotland. You know, the best, the, the best thing, in my opinion, that Donald Trump has ever come up with because he obviously has no skill set, but re engineering his golf buggy golf cart to go faster than every other golf cart on the golf course so he can get to the ball before anybody else and have his caddy move the ball or drop a new ball is genius. Here's the clip pressure. Did he, did he, did you see.
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A
It, See that ball just squirt out of the pocket?
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B
Squirted out of the pocket because obviously it's, it's in the sand. The ball that Trump hit is gone. No one can play that. So this is, but famously, I mean, this is, this is what Trump does. He, he, he famously has a faster golf buggy than everybody else so that he can rewrite the narrative of how this golf game is going.
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A
I used to, you know, post so many Trump cheating at golf clips, you know, and they're hard, they're hard to get, but you can get them. They used to be able to get them, but I, I kind of gave up because after the one guy got caught on the golf course with the gun, you know, ever since then, it's like maximum security at his courses, like, so it's very, very difficult to get anybody that sneaks a phone in there that records him playing. But he went to Scotland and apparently, you know, somebody was able to, to film that. And so, yeah, it's a, you know, it was great because normally what you see is you see Trump, like, move the ball around or kick the ball or something like that. That's normally. But in this particular situation, it was funny because co. Conspiracy just kind of, like, throws, and then Trump acts like, oh, there's my ball, you know, and, like, he knows, like, he hit. Just hit it, you know, into the trap or wherever.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Into the deep rough. But it just miraculously appears. And, you know, it was kind of funny because the clip went viral that I posted there, and. And, you know, all these right wingers were pushing back on it, saying, that's how golf works. You take a drop, you take a penalty. It's like, come on, dude. If when you take a drop, you like, oh, I can't find my ball. I'm here taking a job.
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B
You don't just slip one out the back pocket.
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A
Yeah, out of his pocket.
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B
It's a metaphor for Trump's entire life and presidency as I see it. Okay, we have to finish, but thanks for joining Uncovered this week. We'll come back next Wednesday, do it again, download the audio podcast tonight, and all I can say is thank you, Ron. Always a pleasure. See you next week.
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A
See you next week.
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B
It.