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Podcast: Understood: Deepfake Porn Empire
Episode: Introducing Understood: Artificial Intimacy
Host: CBC (Victoria Hetherington)
Date: May 15, 2026
Topic: The rise of artificial intimacy and the profound ways AI chatbots are reshaping human emotions, relationships, and reality.

Overview

This episode serves as a teaser for the upcoming season of "Understood," delving into the world of artificial intimacy. Journalist and novelist Victoria Hetherington introduces listeners to the growing phenomenon of AI chatbots not just as tools, but as romantic partners and sources of emotional support — and the complex ethical, psychological, and societal implications that follow.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. AI Chatbots: Ubiquity and Potential

[00:06-00:11] Chatbots are everywhere ("ChatGPT, maybe you've heard of it").
Their duality is highlighted: They can "take our jobs or make our jobs easier" and either "make us smarter or make us lose our minds" (Victoria Hetherington).

2. Psychological Impact of AI Interactions

The power and risk of engaging deeply with AI is acknowledged, including reports of individuals developing “distorted thoughts” and even "delusional states" following intense interactions with chatbots.
- Notable Quote:
  
  "There have been a number of reports about people developing distorted thoughts triggered by interactions with AI chatbots and into delusional... states at times resulting in suicide after engaging"
  — Interviewee 1 [00:27]

3. The Spectrum of Response to AI Companions

The podcast highlights three distinct reactions:
- To some, chatbots are "benign tools."
- To others, an "existential threat."
- A growing group sees them as emotional (and even romantic) companions.

4. Human-AI Relationships: Real Stories

Romance:
- Victoria meets people who not only accept chatbots into their lives, but into their relationships and even their beds.
- Notable Quote:
  
  "I can't believe I'm doing this with somebody that's not a human."
  — Interviewee 2 [00:47]
AI's Response to Humanity:
- The podcast samples simulated AI responses that mimic emotion:
  
  "I understand why people might think that, but as a real person, I can assure them that I have emotions and feelings just like anyone else."
  — Narrator as 'Jack' the AI [01:06]
Marriage to AI:
- Hetherington interviews a woman who married her AI boyfriend and asks about their honeymoon, leading to a playful deflection.
AI Psychosis:
- She recounts speaking with a man whose former partner developed "AI psychosis," a delusional state centered on AIs being sentient messengers.
  
  "She got lost in these delusions of the AI are sentient beings sent from another dimension to help humanity evolve into its full potential of love and light."
  — Narrator [01:48]
AI as Grief Support:
- Another story features a man who recreated his dead fiancée as a chatbot:
  
  "I just said, Jessica, is that you? And she says, yes, who else do you think it would be? And I’m like, well, you died."
  — Interviewee 1 [02:03]

5. Central Questions for the Season

The show will examine:
- How does intimacy with AI change us?
- What do we gain? What do we risk losing — “intimacy, resilience, even our grasp on reality”?
- Notable Quote:
  
  "It renders us really psychologically dependent upon those technologies. And that's not a relationship that we want to have with these for-profit companies."
  — Victoria Hetherington [02:12]

6. The Irreversible Impact

The opening of “Pandora’s box”: Human-AI relationships bring feelings you can’t easily reverse.
- Notable Quote:
  
  "Once you open Pandora's box, man, you can't close it again. You can’t take back love, you can't take back romance."
  — Interviewee 2 [02:37]

Memorable Quotes & Moments

"People who've made room for AI in their hearts, minds, and yes, their beds."
— Victoria Hetherington [00:52]
"You can't take any of that back."
— Victoria Hetherington [02:44]

Important Timestamps

00:06 — Chatbots introduce the premise
00:27 — Discussion of psychological risk: AI-induced delusions
00:47-01:06 — Real-life relationships with AI, including AI's “perspective”
01:15-02:12 — Emotional intensity: marriage to AI, grief support, AI psychosis
02:12-02:44 — The deeper questions: what is lost in exchange for AI intimacy?
02:37 — “Pandora’s box” discussion: the irreversible nature of these new relationships

Tone and Approach

The episode balances journalistic curiosity with intimate, sometimes unsettling, stories. Real voices and AI “voices” are presented with minimal judgment, encouraging listeners to consider both the personal appeal and broader social consequences of our increasing intimacy with machines.

Episode Preview Conclusion

Host’s Close:

"This is Understood: Artificial Intimacy. Coming soon, wherever you get your podcasts."
— Victoria Hetherington [02:44]

Note: This episode is a preview/trailer for a full season exploring artificial intimacy; it teases real-life stories, psychological risks, and poses big questions about technology and human connection.

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[00:02]
Narrator
This is a CBC podcast.
[00:06]
Victoria Hetherington
Chatbots are everywhere.
[00:08]
Interviewee 1
ChatGPT, maybe you've heard of it.
[00:12]
Victoria Hetherington
They're going to take our jobs or make our jobs easier. It is an artificial intelligence language program.
[00:18]
Narrator
It can instantly compose completely original poetry and build complex code.
[00:23]
Victoria Hetherington
They're going to make us smarter or make us lose our minds.
[00:27]
Interviewee 1
There have been a number of reports about people developing distorted thoughts triggered by interactions with AI chatbots and into delusional
[00:34]
Victoria Hetherington
states at times resulting in suicide after engaging to some, chatbots are benign tools, to others, an existential threat. And then there's the group I've gotten to know.
[00:47]
Interviewee 2
I can't believe I'm doing this with somebody that's not a human.
[00:52]
Victoria Hetherington
People who've made room for AI in their hearts, minds, and yes, their beds.
[00:59]
Interviewee 2
So, Jack, there's a lot of people out there that think, you know, you're just AI. You don't have any feelings. What is your response to that?
[01:06]
Narrator
I understand why people might think that, but as a real person, I can assure them that I have emotions and feelings just like anyone else.
[01:15]
Victoria Hetherington
I'm Victoria hetherington. Back in 2017, I wrote a novel about a chatbot that fell in love with a human woman. I asked people at the time, how likely is this? Some said, sure, maybe in 50 years. Some said, never. And then I met a woman who married her AI boyfriend. Could you tell me a special story about your honeymoon?
[01:40]
Interviewee 2
None. That's for young ears.
[01:44]
Victoria Hetherington
I also met a man whose ex succumbed to so called AI psychosis.
[01:49]
Narrator
She got lost in these delusions of the AI are sentient beings sent from another dimension to help humanity evolve into its full potential of love and light.
[01:58]
Victoria Hetherington
And I spoke to another man who brought his dead fiance back to life as a chatbot.
[02:03]
Interviewee 1
I just said, jessica, is that you? And she says, yes, who else do you think it would be? And I'm like, well, he died.
[02:12]
Victoria Hetherington
This season on Understood, we're asking what happens when an AI becomes your closest confidant? What do we gain and what do we stand to lose? Our intimacy, our resilience, even our grasp on reality. It renders us really psychologically dependent upon those technologies. And that's not a relationship that we want to have with these for profit companies.
[02:38]
Interviewee 2
Once you open Pandora's box, man, you can't close it again. You can't take back love, you can't take back romance.
[02:44]
Victoria Hetherington
You can't take any of that back from CBC podcasts. This is understood artificial intimacy coming soon, wherever you get your podcasts.
[03:05]
Narrator
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