Your bug roommates

Summary

Podcast Summary: Unexplainable - "Your Bug Roommates"

Introduction Unexplainable, a Vox podcast hosted by the team of Noam Hassenfeld, Julia Longoria, Byrd Pinkerton, and Meradith Hoddinott, ventures into the mysteries that lie at the edges of our understanding. In the episode titled "Your Bug Roommates," released on June 23, 2025, host Bird Pinkerton delves into the hidden ecosystems thriving within our homes. This summary captures the key discussions, insights, and conclusions from the episode, enriched with notable quotes and timestamps for reference.

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Rob Dunn's Shift from Rainforest Ecology to Household Bugs (00:57 - 04:52)

Bird Pinkerton introduces Rob Dunn, an ecologist whose career took an unexpected turn from studying insects in remote rainforests to investigating the arthropods residing in human homes.

• Rob Dunn shares his initial focus:

  "I studied rare tropical insects and so I go to Bolivia or Australia or Ghana or Singapore to try to understand the general rules that applied to those insects." [01:05]

• Evolution of Research Focus: Initially, Rob presented his rainforest findings to audiences who often responded with questions about household pests:

  "At the end of those talks, somebody would say something to the effect of well, you know, that's great, but what do I do about the ants in my kitchen?" [01:27]

• Realization and Career Pivot: Realizing the significance of these interactions, Rob pondered:

  "People were asking about the biology of their daily lives." [02:00]

  This led him to explore the biology of household bugs, recognizing the parallels between ecosystems in homes and those in natural environments.

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The Household Bug Survey: Unveiling Hidden Diversity (04:52 - 10:10)

Rob Dunn collaborated with Michelle Trautwine, an entomologist specializing in flies, and Matt Bretone to conduct an extensive survey of bugs in Raleigh, North Carolina.

• Project Genesis: The team aimed to catalog all arthropod species within homes, challenging the belief that modern Western homes are sterile:

  "Modern Western homes were actually thought to be kind of sterile, without a ton of life."

• Methodology: Equipped with field gear reminiscent of rainforest expeditions, the team meticulously collected and analyzed bugs from 50 diverse households:

  "We had kind of field vests filled with vials and forceps... we looked like we were ready for the middle of the rainforest." [07:20]

• Findings: Contrary to expectations, each house harbored an average of 100 different bug species, irrespective of cleanliness or pesticide use:

  "In almost every house, there were about 100 different species of bugs." [09:36]

  This high diversity highlighted the complexity and resilience of indoor ecosystems.

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Discoveries in Home Ecosystems: Ecosystem Dynamics Within Homes (10:10 - 17:15)

Rob Dunn elucidates the intricate relationships among household bugs, drawing parallels to natural ecosystems.

• Ecosystem Analogies: Comparing a bedroom to a forest floor, Rob explains:

  "In our bedrooms, humans are kind of like the trees. And then our hair and our dead skin is like the leaves." [11:01]

• Trophic Relationships:

  • Dust Mites consume dead skin cells.
  • Predatory Mites feed on dust mites.
  • House Centipedes prey on these mites, maintaining balance.

• Parasitic Interactions: Rob discusses parasitic wasps that lay eggs in cockroaches:

  "It's an ancient ritual of laying its eggs and living babies of cockroaches which they then eat alive." [12:00]

• Unexpected Discoveries: The team uncovered numerous species and complex interactions previously unnoticed in household settings, underscoring the need for further exploration.

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Case Studies and Potential Benefits: From Pests to Partners (17:32 - 22:17)

Rob Dunn shares intriguing case studies demonstrating the untapped potential of household bugs.

• Camel Crickets and Microbial Solutions:

  • Discovery of an invasive Asian camel cricket species led to exploring its gut microbiota.
  • Stephanie Matthews, in collaboration with Rob, identified microbes capable of breaking down black liquor, a problematic waste product from paper manufacturing:

    "She found them. In the first individual camel cricket... microbes that could break down black liquor and turn it into energy." [20:35]

  Although not yet adopted by the industry, this breakthrough showcases how household bugs can contribute to environmental solutions.

• Ants as Antibiotic Producers:

  • Research by Omar Halwani revealed that certain house ants harbor bacteria producing potent antimicrobial compounds:

    "Ants produce their own antibiotics... highly antimicrobial, including against some species that are problematic pathogens of humans." [21:27]

  These findings suggest potential applications in medicine and public health.

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Managing Household Ecosystems: Embracing Beneficial Bugs (22:17 - 25:26)

Rob Dunn advocates for an ecological approach to pest management within homes, emphasizing the preservation and encouragement of beneficial species.

• Integrated Pest Management (IPM) for Homes: Drawing from agricultural practices, Rob proposes a household IPM strategy:

  "We need to know more about who to invite in to find species, like these helpful spiders. And we also need to know how to invite them in, like, how to help them thrive." [24:46]

• Cultural Practices Supporting Beneficial Bugs:

  • Examples from South Africa and Mexico illustrate successful incorporation of social spiders to control fly populations and reduce disease transmission:

    "In two separate, totally unrelated cultures, different social spider colonies were brought into the home to have this control effect." [22:27]

• Challenges with Pesticides: Overuse of pesticides not only eradicates unwanted pests but also diminishes beneficial species, disrupting indoor ecosystems:

  "If you spray that house with pesticides, it kills all the spiders... the spiders don't necessarily return with them." [23:36]

  Rob emphasizes the need for balanced pest control methods that protect against harmful pests while preserving beneficial organisms.

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Conclusion and Future Directions (25:26 - End)

The episode wraps up with reflections on the significance of understanding household bug ecosystems and the potential they hold for enhancing human living environments.

• Personal Reflections: Bird Pinkerton shares her initial discomfort with the idea but acknowledges the newfound appreciation for the hidden biodiversity around her.

• Call to Action: Listeners are encouraged to engage with ongoing research by participating in the Never Home Alone project on iNaturalist.org and by submitting bug photos to unexplainableox.com:

  "If you send pictures of bugs into unexplainableox.com, you'll make my day." [22:27]

• Further Learning: Recommendations include Rob Dunn's book Never Home Alone, which explores the hidden worlds within our residences and their broader implications.

Notable Quotes Summary

• "People were asking about the biology of their daily lives." — Rob Dunn [02:00]
• "In almost every house, there were about 100 different species of bugs." — Bird Pinkerton [09:36]
• "If we're going to understand any place on earth, well, it seems as though we should understand the place we spend 90% of our time." — Rob Dunn [13:17]
• "We need to do a lot more exploring first." — Bird Pinkerton [24:46]

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Final Thoughts "Your Bug Roommates" sheds light on the intricate and often overlooked ecosystems within our homes. By adopting an ecological perspective, researchers like Rob Dunn and Michelle Trautwine reveal the profound interdependencies among household arthropods and their potential benefits to human well-being. This episode not only challenges conventional pest control paradigms but also invites listeners to appreciate and engage with the diverse life forms that share their living spaces.

Transcript

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[Bird Pinkerton]

Rob Dunn used to travel far, far away from his home in the US to study some of the wildest places on Earth. Rainforests.

[Rob Dunn]

I studied rare tropical insects and so I go to Bolivia or Australia or Ghana or Singapore to try to understand the general rules that applied to those insects.

[Bird Pinkerton]

He's an ecologist, so he'd look at how ants distribute seeds or how insect populations can recover after a rainforest is clear cut. And then he'd come back to the.

[Rob Dunn]

States and I would give talks about those faraway places, about ants or termites or whatever. And always at the end of those talks, somebody would say something to the effect of well, you know, that's great, but what do I do about the ants in my kitchen?

[Bird Pinkerton]

Rob's initial reaction was to dismiss those.

[Rob Dunn]

Questions and what I heard at first, you know, it was a like I've just presented about my life work and the things I care most about professionally, and you've asked how to kill them.

[Bird Pinkerton]

But slowly over time, Rob started to listen more closely and he realized what.

[Rob Dunn]

That question was really saying was, I listened to your boring hour long talk and the only way it possibly relates to my life is in this way. People were asking about the biology of their daily lives.

[Bird Pinkerton]

Rob started to wonder what would happen if he did study the biology of people's daily lives. He knew that there were some people who were actually studying bugs at home. I'm going to show you a couple.

[Rob Dunn]

Of different things that we use to.

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Monitor bed bug issues.

[Bird Pinkerton]

There are decades worth of ads out there reminding us that pest control researchers have done very thorough investigations into pest species. So those are species that spread disease.

[Rob Dunn]

Look at those mosquitoes.

[Bird Pinkerton]

Go for that Unprotected arm species that destroy our stuff. Termites are monsters, or just species that annoy us in some way.

[Rob Dunn]

So it's not like we don't know anything. We know what kills them.

[Bird Pinkerton]

Cannon Roach Killer kills bugs dead.

[Rob Dunn]

We know if you spray them, like, in what precise way do they roll over and twitch? Like, we know that in great detail.

[Bird Pinkerton]

But as he was looking around, Rob realized that researchers did not yet know many of the answers to the kinds of questions that ecologists like him like to ask. So less how do I kill these cockroaches? And more how did these cockroaches evolve to suit this environment? Or, like, which species are in this home besides cockroaches? Who's eating who and how and why? And what does this ecosystem need to thrive? So Rob decided to start asking those questions.

[Rob Dunn]

I would realize that all the things I was studying in rainforests, I could also study in houses.

[Bird Pinkerton]

And when he started exploring houses like they were rainforests, Rob discovered just how little we actually know about our arthropod roommates. Like, how little we even know about how many species live with us, let alone what they're up to. But he also realized how much we might benefit from these bugs if we stopped zapping all of them dead. Because, yes, some household bugs really are pests, but others don't harm us and could even be helpful to us. I'm Bird Pinkerton. This is unexplainable. And this week we're exploring our rooms as if they were rainforests and learning how unlocking the secrets of the bugs that live in them could potentially change our lives. Rob's career pivot to exploring homes actually involved a lot of different projects covering a lot of different organisms around the house.

[Rob Dunn]

And so that's mites that live on people's heads. It's sourdough bread, microbes that live in shower heads.

[Bird Pinkerton]

But in the early 2000 and tens, he worked with some colleagues to apply his rainforest ecology skills to house bugs specifically. It's a story that starts, fittingly enough, in a home.

[Rob Dunn]

At the time, Michelle Trotwine, very good friend, and her husband Ari, lived just down the street from us. And so at the end of the day, sometimes they would just go over to their house, have a glass of wine, hang out.

[Michelle Trautwine]

Wow, this is really going back to the beginning.

[Bird Pinkerton]

This is Michelle Trautwine, an entomologist who specializes in flies.

[Michelle Trautwine]

We had an idea that we were going to go into people's houses and collect all the insects and their relatives in a person's house.

[Bird Pinkerton]

By relatives, Michelle means a whole bunch of arthropod species that aren't actually insects. So spiders, ticks, centipedes, millipedes, et cetera. Basically bugs. And. And while the word bug can refer to a specific subgroup of insects, throughout this episode, I'm going to be using bug in its more informal, sort of colloquial sense to refer to this big group of all the creepy, crawly creatures out there. So, like, if I were to use it in a sentence. Michelle and her colleagues wanted to collect all the bugs in people's houses, and they weren't actually sure what they would find. Like, in a paper that they eventually co authored, they explained that modern Western homes were actually thought to be kind of sterile, without a ton of life. But since they didn't know of other comprehensive surveys of all the bugs in a bunch of human houses, they figured it was at least worth trying. So slowly, they worked together to sort of make this scheme into a reality. And also, these entomologists seem to just really love shouting each other out and giving credit. So I will just make sure to mention that Michelle led the field research with another scientist named Matt Bretone, my.

[Michelle Trautwine]

Good friend and colleague, who's, like, one of the greatest entomologists in the world.

[Rob Dunn]

Sort of a entomologist. Entomologist. He can ID small flies while driving past them.

[Bird Pinkerton]

So Michelle and Matt and the rest of their team decided to look at houses in and around Raleigh, North Carolina. They tried to sample broadly looking at homes of people in various socioeconomic brackets, and they wound up looking at 50 houses. Michelle says they originally thought they would do more, but going to each house turned out to be a huge production.

[Michelle Trautwine]

We had a whole getup, so we had kind of field vests filled with vials and forceps. We had nets, we had headlamps. And so even though we were going on these, you know, indoor, very tame expeditions, we looked like we were ready for the middle of the rainforest.

[Bird Pinkerton]

Michelle and Matt and other entomologists working on the project, they would go into a house, they would collect data on how often it was cleaned or whether insecticides had been sprayed recently. House pets, house plants, house layout. And then they would go hunting for bugs, sort of searching and collecting, sometimes for as much as seven hours.

[Michelle Trautwine]

It's exhausting work. So a lot of it, it's like hands and knees along the kind of baseboards, window sills.

[Bird Pinkerton]

They went under beds, they went behind toilets, and they used a tube to suck dust and grime into vials.

[Michelle Trautwine]

It was an intimate, sometimes horrifying process.

[Bird Pinkerton]

Michelle studies bugs for a living, but even she can appreciate that it is pretty gross to stumble across, for example, carpet beetle larvae munching on fingernail clippings, like, ugh. But once they had collected everything they could, they took it back to the lab, and then they had to sort and sort and sort some more because it turned out that these houses were far from devoid of life. In fact, each house had so many arthropods in it that it was kind of shocking. Michel remembers an ant scientist popping by for a visit, and when he saw a collection of vials from one house laid out on the table, he was.

[Michelle Trautwine]

Like, oh, my gosh, you know, was this a house out in the woods that had, you know, left the windows open for years or something? And the truth was, no. It was a house in, you know, suburban Raleigh with a weekly house cleaner.

[Bird Pinkerton]

And not only were there lots of bugs, but also the diversity of species was pretty amazing. Rob, for example, thought that he had a pretty good idea of the kinds of spiders living in his own home. As far as he knew, there were two species, a fat one and a skinny one. But then when the results came back from his own house, it would turn.

[Rob Dunn]

Out I had, like, 11 spider species, including this spider species that just walks around and spits silk on things and only comes out at night.

[Bird Pinkerton]

So they were finding all this cool stuff. And then after many months of work, they pulled all their findings together and were able to compare the diversity of bugs in each house. And these results were also surprising. Like, they found that in almost every house, there were about 100 different species of bugs. Even if people were tidy or they.

[Michelle Trautwine]

Sprayed insecticides, it seems like nothing made a difference.

[Bird Pinkerton]

And this finding is actually roughly held up as Michelle and her colleagues have explored more homes all across the world. Like some places do, have a little more diversity or a little less. The layout of houses or kind of the plant life outside can affect the bug life indoors, but the houses they've looked at always come with a wide array of insect roommates. It's like this whole hidden world kind of flourishing indoors, just waiting to be explored. And it is a world that is worth exploring and understanding because they found that many of these bugs are not just sort of blowing in from outdoors. They're making themselves at home. They're forming ecosystems.

[Rob Dunn]

And so there's a basement ecosystem, an attic ecosystem, a bathroom ecosystem.

[Bird Pinkerton]

Rob says, you can actually kind of draw a parallel between the ecosystem in a bedroom and the ecosystem on a forest floor. So on a typical forest floor, you'd Find a bunch of dead leaves, and then there would be bugs that would eat those leaves, and then, and then other bugs that might eat the leaf eaters. And in our bedrooms, humans are kind of like the trees. And then our hair and our dead skin is like the leaves.

[Rob Dunn]

So your body sheds tons of skin cells a day. The dust mites eat the skin cells. There are these other slightly larger mites that eat the dust mites, especially because the dust mites gather if they get dry, into a little clump like wildebeest. And when they're there, these other mites eat them.

[Bird Pinkerton]

And then something like a house centipede can come along and eat those mites. And the researchers also found that house bugs have the kind of weird, fascinating parasitic relationships that you see in the wild.

[Rob Dunn]

For example, in many houses, we found this wasp that lays its eggs in the bodies of specific cockroach species. And it's teeny tiny. It's there carrying out this ancient ritual of laying its eggs and living babies of cockroaches which they then eat alive. And it's happening all over North America right now. I mean, if you could hear it, you would hear the screams and the crunching.

[Bird Pinkerton]

Now, at this point, you might be feeling disgusted or fascinated or, you know, like an intense desire to never, ever touch a surface in a house ever again. And if at all possible, to like, upload your consciousness into a computer so as to discard your, like, skin shedding, bug feeding corporeal form. And you may not be feeling any less inclined to view these parasitic wasp larvae and dust mite wildebeests as anything except kind of gross. But these studies are just the beginning. They show us how little we really know about the bugs all around us, like who they are and, and what they are doing. And figuring out answers to those questions, that's worthwhile kind of on its own. Like, as Rob puts it, if we're.

[Rob Dunn]

Going to understand any place on earth, well, it seems as though we should understand the place we spend 90% of our time.

[Bird Pinkerton]

But also, Rob says that once we start exploring the bugs that are right under our noses, slash under our beds, we can start learning from them and borrowing from them and maybe even finding ways to surround ourselves with better bugs that can help us lead healthier lives.

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[Rob Dunn]

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[Bird Pinkerton]

That's a bug.

[Rob Dunn]

That is a bug.

[Bird Pinkerton]

So we know that we are surrounded by bugs pretty much all the time. But what can we learn from them if we stop treating them only as pests and instead explore them like ecologists? To help answer that question, Rob told me the story of his work on something called a camel cricket.

[Rob Dunn]

A camel cricket is a. It's like a cricket that is that a cartoonist would draw. You know, it looks like a normal cricket, except its legs are too big and it's antennae, like they're like longer than the animal's body. People most often encounter them when they walk into their basement and it's dark and one of these jumps out because that's their defense, that they just jump straight into the air.

[Bird Pinkerton]

In one of his many projects studying the home, Rob accidentally discovered that a spin species of Asian camel cricket had spread all across the eastern US and parts of the Midwest almost unnoticed. And he thought this was kind of like wild and exciting that a creature could literally jump out at people and still spread without getting spotted by scientists. It felt to him like a metaphor almost for how little we know about our own homes. And so once again, he went to give talks about his new discovery.

[Rob Dunn]

When I would talk to the public about the camel crickets and houses, I was super excited. And so my enthusiasm is spilling over. I assume it's spilling over into the audience. And sometimes it was. And sometimes I would have people say, well, what good are they?

[Bird Pinkerton]

History was basically repeating itself. Like, yes, Rob had made a whole career pivot from studying rainforests to studying homes. He was giving people the biology of their daily lives. But some of those people were still not sure how relevant his research was to them. And Rob did the same thing he'd done that first time around. Like, he listened to the people asking how this camel cricket could be useful to them. And he started to think, okay, what.

[Rob Dunn]

Good could they be? You know, what good to humans could they be that's not their job, but, you know, maybe we can look.

[Bird Pinkerton]

Rob started to think about what he knew about camel crickets, not as an annoyance to be eliminated, but as an organism to be studied. And specifically, he started to think about what was known about camel cricket biology.

[Rob Dunn]

One of the things we started to see is that whatever it was eating, it was terrible, hard to digest stuff. It was bits of paint, bits of shoe, you know, bits of cockroach leg. And so that made it very likely that either it had gut enzymes that could break down those things, or it had microbes that could break down those things. What I didn't know is where that would be useful.

[Bird Pinkerton]

Fortunately, Rob spends a lot of time talking to his colleagues.

[Rob Dunn]

And so at that time, I bumped into Amy Grundin, who was an applied microbiologist in the building next to mine. Stephanie Matthews was a student working with her.

[Bird Pinkerton]

I really was not lying when I said that Rob loves to shout people out.

[Rob Dunn]

And at the time, Amy was working on black liquor.

[Bird Pinkerton]

Black liquor is a waste product that comes from making paper, and it has a bunch of stuff in it that is hard to break down. So it's often burned or dumped into rivers. Which means that Rob was looking for something that camel cricket guts might be able to break down. And Amy had a weird thing that needed to be broken down. So Stephanie Matthews, Amy's student, wound up looking for microbes in camel cricket guts that could break down the stuff in black liquor.

[Rob Dunn]

And long story short, she found them. And so she basically found, in the first individual camel cricket. She studied one camel cricket for science, microbes that could break down black liquor and turn it into energy.

[Bird Pinkerton]

Right now, Rob says it's still cheaper for paper companies to dispose of things in other ways. So the industry has not adopted these microbes yet. But still, researchers travel to the rainforest looking for insects and other animals that could produce useful compounds. And research like this shows that the creatures living much closer to home could offer similar insights if we, you know, paid attention to them instead of trying to find ever more inventive ways to zap them out of existence. In fact, the pesky ants that people wanted to eliminate from their kitchens, they're another example of this.

[Rob Dunn]

People who actually study ants in detail know that ants produce their own antibiotics. And some species grow bacteria on their exoskeletons that produce antibiotics. And so, in studying some of the most common ants we find in houses, Omar Halwani, who was a master's student, was able to show that those ants have some compounds that their bodies are producing that are highly antimicrobial, including against some species that are problematic pathogens of humans. And so that was just. It's a small study, but the potential there is great.

[Bird Pinkerton]

Rob also sees potential beyond just like, studying house bugs for cool bacteria or antibiotics. He thinks that if we learned more about the bugs around us, we could potentially change the bugs around us by bringing in more helpful bugs.

[Rob Dunn]

What would it look like to manage our houses to favor species that benefit us?

[Bird Pinkerton]

It turns out that people around the world are already doing this.

[Rob Dunn]

Both in South Africa and in Mexico, independently, people discovered that they could bring these webs of social spiders into their kitchens, and the spiders would eat their flies, and they would also reduce disease transmission. And so, in two separate, totally unrelated cultures, different social spider colonies were brought into the home to have this control effect.

[Bird Pinkerton]

I kind of think of this as, like, pest control from an ecologist perspective, where you figure out what all the bugs in your home are up to so that you can encourage the beneficial ones and use them to keep the annoying ones in check. And actually, this approach might end up being more effective Than constantly trying to kill everything. Like, there's a species of jumping spider that specifically loves to feed on mosquitoes Right after they've sucked up blood, including blood that's carrying malaria.

[Rob Dunn]

And so that spider eats the mosquitoes when they're most dangerous.

[Bird Pinkerton]

So these are spiders that you might want to have around.

[Rob Dunn]

But one of the things people have seen is if you go and then spray that house with pesticides, it kills all the spiders.

[Bird Pinkerton]

It does also kill the mosquitoes that were in the house. But eventually, new mosquitoes fly back in looking for blood, and the spiders don't necessarily return with them, which means by trying to achieve a totally sterile home and blanket spraying pesticides, a homeowner might actually eliminate a potential line of defense against the very creatures that they were worried about. So Rob doesn't think that we should never spray pesticides. Like, especially if someone has a huge infestation of something.

[Rob Dunn]

I'm not against pest control in houses.

[Bird Pinkerton]

But as Michelle and Rob's surveys of houses show, the dream of a perfectly sterile home without any bugs at all just isn't realistic. And when we overspray or overkill, we're not doing ourselves any favors.

[Rob Dunn]

And so how do we think about, you know, we're not going to stop using pesticides, but using pesticides in the most controlled ways so they kill what we want to kill while also not killing the species that are helping us. And in crops, you would call the Integrated Pest management We don't have a word for in houses, but Rob says.

[Bird Pinkerton]

That if we want to do a kind of integrated pest management for houses and do it well, we need to do a lot more exploring first. Like, we need to know more about who to invite in to find species, like these helpful spiders. And we also need to know how to invite them in, like, how to help them thrive. And Rob has had conversations about what that might look like. But.

[Rob Dunn]

But it reveals our ignorance because it reveals the fact that we don't know enough about what these species do for us and we don't know enough about what they need and how they move among buildings. We don't quite have enough information yet.

[Bird Pinkerton]

And honestly, maybe it's okay if we have a ways to go before we start managing our household bugs, because I know I could use a little time to get used to this idea. Like, I actually first found Michelle Trautwine's research because I was reading up on a really frustrating beetle that had invaded my home and ruined a bunch of my stuff and kind of ruined my life for a few months there. So, like, I'm not sure I'm ready yet to actively invite more bugs into my home. That being said, just talking to Rob and Michelle, I'm a lot more comfortable with the idea that there are probably a bunch of bugs fairly close to me right now. And it's actually kind of nice to think that, you know, if I got to know them a little bit better, I might find that some of those bugs are actually pretty good roommates. If you want to learn more about the bugs close to you right now, I recommend digging into Michelle Troutwine's research and also reading Rob Dunn's excellent book, Never Home Alone. It'll also explain why the International Space Station smells kind of funky. It's a very enjoyable read. And if you want to help researchers who are doing this work, go to iNaturalist.org and look for the Never Home Alone project. That'll let you upload pictures of species in your home so they can be used for science. And we would also love to see the bugs in your home. Like, if you send pictures of bugs into unexplainableox.com, you'll make my day. But we also might share them on Twitter or a piece on the site potentially. So unexplainablex.com send me pictures of bugs, but now it is my turn to act like an entomologist and shout out my colleagues. So, this episode was reported and produced by me, Bird Pinkerton, but it would not exist without the editing that was done by Katherine Wells, Meredith Hodnot and Brian Resnik. It would not sound nearly as good without music from Noam Hassenfeld or just the incredible sound design work that Christian Ayala does week after week. Like, seriously, Christian is just like a wizard with sound and the whole world should know. Neil Denisha helped me think through the outlines of the episode and Manning Nguyen makes me laugh, which is arguably the most important and helpful thing of all. Unexplainable is a part of the Vox Media podcast network. We will be back on Wednesday.

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