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You're in your crowded room in the back of the Vatican distilling herbs. You have a commission from the Pope, a painting. You'll get to it. But now the varnish. If you can get the varnish right, if you can extract the oils from these plants and these seeds at just the right temperature, then when you do actually paint, the colors will last forever. Of course, you haven't done the painting yet. Pope Leo is annoyed, but this is how you work. This is how you've always worked. You are Leonardo da Vinci and you are 62 years old. And you've always had more energy than concentration could control. As a boy, you set yourself to learn something new. Letters, geometry, music. And pour yourself into it. And then abandon it in Florence. Training under Andrea, you couldn't match your master's work ethic, his ability to simply finish something. The Augustinian monks of San Donato. Escopetto hired you to create an Adoration of the Magi for their altar. It was a huge break in your young career. You made the underdrawing, you sketched the figures, you began the shading, and then you left Milan. Your experimental varnish nearly destroyed your painting of the Last Supper. It did destroy your painting of the Battle of Anghiari. You think about the Mona Lisa over there on your desk. You keep fiddling with it until the day you die, but now the herbs. Right now in the Vatican, while Michelangelo and Raphael are creating actual work, Pope Leo is watching you distill herbs. And he's pissed. Later, you hear that he sniped about you. That Leonardo will never do anything because he thinks about the end of the work before the beginning. 500 years from now, a neuroscientist will publish a paper and give all of this a name. The procrastination, the task switching, the polyphasic sleep, the probable dyslexia. You, Leonardo, have adhd. This is. Wait a second. And today we're hitting a variety of random topics. But first, we gotta finish the varnish. Hi, I'm Jason Concepcion. Welcome to Witness. Wait a second. As always, that's Tyler Parker. And we're delighted to be joined this week by CNN's.
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Oh, Jesus. He didn't tell me he was gonna say that.
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Well, what. Listen, man, I am delighted. Every time I turn on my YouTube TV and I get that preview thumbnail,
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you're all over the place.
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And I go, that's. I know that guy. Look at Vin bigfooting Scott Jennings putting his foot in Scott Jennings.
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Shut him up.
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At Scott Show.
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Shut him up.
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Today we're talking about a bunch of stuff, bunch of random stuff. And first up, I mean, it's been a crazy several days in the world and a crazy several days for Anthropic, the creators of the AI Claude. Friday, after a tense few days of negotiations, the company was effectively banned from working with the government by SecDef Pete Hegseth, who threatened to label the company a supply chain risk. He hasn't followed through on that. But then Saturday, Claude helped bomb Moran. Yeah, so still, you know, we got some things to work out, but hey, come back in the fall, we still need you. And then Sunday, because of that stance of not caving to the dod, Anthropic and Claude hit number one on the on the App Store as people realize maybe ChatGPT is the evil one. We want to work for Anthropic, the good one. Your thoughts on any of this?
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Van Lathan so I've watched a couple of different interviews with the Anthropic CEO and they were Dario Amade. Dario Amade. They were markedly different. I watched him when he was on Interesting Times with Ross. Doubt that.
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Saw that.
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So I watched that interview.
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Ross like a little beaver that crawled out of the river and got to write opinion pieces.
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I don't know why. I don't know why I like his interview so much that you say he just draws the question out. I'm like, Jesus Christ, what is this guy gonna answer?
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His words crawl.
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So in that interview it seemed as if Dario was representing what we've seen from the tech CEOs, which is this sort of open ended interpretation of what AI is, what AI will become. And the uses of AI, huh? They answer questions in the most terrifyingly dense ways you've ever, ever heard a question answered. You ask the AI CEO. So do you think that your. Do you think that your AI will destroy the world? And they go, what is the world? Yeah, like what? When you say the world, we have to think about what we consider the world to be, what AI can make the world into, okay? And what vision of the world can we agree on? And you just be like, yo, is it gonna kill us or not?
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Right? Do you remember there was an anthropic coda recently who wrote this big blog that went viral, was like, I'm retiring to write poetry in Europe because we are in danger. The world is in danger.
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And the one who saved the world to poetry, how?
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What is gonna happen? And they never get to that part. Like, what is it? Is it alive? Is it gonna launch the nukes? Is it what? Is it gonna make us kill ourselves? Like, what is the thing? And that never seems to come up,
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which was why it was interesting that after all the hubbub about Anthropic and their dealings with the Department of War. Defense. War, whatever, that his tone was different, that when I watched him being interviewed and talking, responding to that, that he was saying, we have to act as a stopgap between the United States government, which would use AI in any way that it wanted to, and what he believed the sovereignty of the people was, which is not being surveilled, having AI not go too far in target determination or all of the number crunching, identity crunching stuff that it could do, saying we have to at some point say no to some of it.
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Here's Dario's statement from five days ago, in part. However, in a narrow set of cases, we believe AI can undermine rather than defend democratic values. Some uses are simply outside the bounds of what today's technology can safely and reliably do. Two such use cases have never been included in our contracts with the Department of War, and we believe they should not be included now. One is mass surveillance, and then the second was fully autonomous weapons, the killbots, with no humans in the chain. He follows up. To our knowledge, these two exceptions have not been a barrier to accelerating adoption and the use of our models within the armed forces today. I'll say this two things about this. First of all, it's notable to me, like Daario, who I think if you look at the CEOs, it's Dario seems like a human guy and to your point, a tech CEO in the classic Steve Jobsian creation and human creativity. And we can unlock the potential of the human spirit type of guy. Then you have Sam Altman who's like, I don't think I've ever seen that guy blink. He's a replicant.
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I mean, the type of soulless where he says that he can't imagine raising his child without AI.
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Yeah. And then Elon Musk, who like somehow Grok has. I mean, I guess you have to hand it to Grok for catching up from basically a dead stop. But they did it by basically saying Grok. You can do anything. You can create child porn. You can like undress people. You could be a total Nazi. Go for it. Anyway, you forgot one.
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Alex Karp.
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Well, Palantir is different.
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Well, but to me, everything that you're describing, incredibly good description of all of these guys. But I feel like these guys are occupying different pockets of good cop, bad cop.
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Yes, sure.
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And I'm not so sure that that's an accident. Cause downstream of these guys is Peter Thiel.
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Well, I don't disagree that there's a heavy, there's a heavy tinge of marketing. Anthropic was on a marketing push before this. There was a Super bowl ad. There was all this stuff. But the thing I wanted to just say about this statement is it's notable to me that he doesn't say like, hey, we won't do mass surveillance and we won't do killbots. He's just saying like, we're not ready to do that yet.
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Right?
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Yeah, we're not prepared to do that at this juncture.
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Right. So I guess my point was that to me, each one of these gentlemen, in a way, is trying to decide which version of themselves will be the most palatable for a public that is increasingly scrutinizing. AI Karp just goes straight up. I am a part of the United States military industrial complex.
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Kill, kill, kills on my soldiers.
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I want to kill everyone.
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I want to drop fentanyl laced urine on top of my competitors.
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Everybody that tried to screw us. But what he's saying is that I'm gonna kill people. He's talking to like a general from an 80s movie would talk, like, I'm going to kill people, but I'm going to kill the right people that make you free. We'll see how much like latitude he gets with the American public. Then you have Sam that comes in and he looks almost like AI created him.
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Yeah, he looks right greasy.
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And he wants to, he wants to sell the American public on some differing version of society that that, you know, uses UBI or all of this other stuff.
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What's ubi?
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Universal Basic Income.
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Universal Basic Income. Because what he said a couple of years ago was that, like, there's going to be job loss from a AI. But, hey, there might be a version of that where you are an owner in these AI text companies and you don't have to work.
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I mean, here's the. Here's the kind of, like, tension that we don't talk about that much is that this is a consumer economy. Like, the economy works because people go out and buy stuff. Like, that's what we based our economy on. Like, China did real estate. We did. People go buy stuff. AI doesn't buy stuff. Like, if we all lose our jobs, you have to do UBI at that point. Sorry to introduce.
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No, no, you're right. And then I feel like Dario is trying to split the baby between all of these guys. And that is essentially what was behind the clawed advertisements that we saw in the super bowl, which is that there is a right way to do AI and there's a wrong way to do AI. Because before some of these breaks in the energetic communication between all of these guys, it felt like they were all together and nobody was communicating with the American people in a way that at all made them feel any emotion or felt human. And he is trying to walk the line of saying, yeah, this is this technology that could be massively destabilizing to society and to all types of people, but at the same time, there is somebody ready to shut it off or. Or limit its ability to affect things.
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I do weirdly appreciate the fact that they are trying to signal, in a not totally optimistic way, hey, this is gonna change some stuff. And I've been a skeptic. I've been a skeptic of AI, particularly on, like, creative stuff. I don't think, you know, it's. Writing is terrible, blah, blah, blah, but dog shit, dog shitting. But. And I don't code, but everybody I know who does and works with numbers and spreadsheets tells me that the agentic features of Claude, where basically you tell it, you give it access to your computer and you go, go write this thing. Here's what I want the app to look like. Go write that. I'll come back, I'll do my work, and then I'll come back and see how you're doing, is like, legitimately game changing. I haven't tried it, but a lot of people that I trust really say that. And what's interesting to me about this Whole dust up is first of all, mass surveillance. The DOD can't. They don't have the jurisdiction to surveil American citizens because of Posse Comitatus says that you can't use the military on US soil for police actions. There's ways around it, right, and we could talk about that, but there's pretty big ways around it. So that was concerned. One of the ways by the way, is the Insurrection act, which is like, oh, we tried to do that. And the other part of this is like when did we become. It's crazy how communist we are right now. Like I was doing research on this and like for one thing, how could the US government hurt anthropic, which they are clearly trying to like murder their business right now. Or at least Hegseth is.
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Well, because you mentioned. I can't remember if you said it at the beginning, but this is the first time that a domestic company, American company has been labeled a supply chain risk in this way. It's usually for.
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We did it with Huawei, the Korean mobile handset maker and stuff because of. We were scared that their information was going to enemies. Anyway. Here's the last six months in American capitalism. In July, the administration granted Nvidia and AMD licenses to sell AI chips to China. In other words, we're helping China do their AI that's competing with ours. But we're selling them the worst chip, like the second level chips for 15% of their revenue. So every chip you sell you gotta give me 15% that's since gone up to 25% for Nvidia. In August we bought a 10% stake in Intel. The government did. They're the biggest shareholder in Intel. The Wall Street Journal called it communist Chinese Communism. In August we took a 15% stake, $400 million in MP materials. It's a rare earth minerals mining company. We're their biggest shareholder. I believe if Obama did this shit, oh my God, they'd be like, we gotta charge the gates and get this guy outta here right now.
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Yeah.
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And now you're going at a company that is by any measure like one of the three most important AI companies in the world.
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One of the fastest growing companies in history.
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It's like $300 billion market cap and one of the most important companies for the American economy. The one that has the best model. You know how I know? The Department of Defense went to them before they went to anybody else and then said you guys got the best model but just like unlock it for us. So it seems very self destructive to me. On many levels. That's before you even get to the fact that, like, we're gonna build killer terminators.
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Yeah, a couple of things there. Number one, I believe that this sort of communist streak, socialist streak that we're talking about right now has pretty much always existed. Well, not always existed. I remember it existing very distinctly. But it wasn't as directly transactional as it is now. Let me say that better. So if we had a purely capitalist system, then after the financial crisis in 08, where Americans actually lost their homes and the government stepped in to bail out different sectors of private business, if we had a purely capitalist system, then we'd have let all of those people lose.
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Sure.
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And the people that would have been bailed out and infused with cash would have been the American people so they could go back into the market and spend more money or no one would have been bailed out and the capitalists would have said, you know what? You made a bad bet, you did a bad thing. You lose your shirt. That's it, you lose your shirt, you're naked. Because that's what I was told capitalism was. But we did the thing that we always do, which is obviously socialism for them and capitalism for us. We lose, they win no matter what. They're too big to fail and we're too easy to kill. Okay, now what has happened is the United States government has, in my opinion, realized that the only way for it to sustain itself is to continue to empire build. Because even right now, with what we're talking about, and this is not, get this from any YouTube video, if we are in a war with Iran or a war with anyone, we don't even have the means of production to keep continuously making another.
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We may be out of the interceptor shells shortly.
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Right, keep going. I have a question about. Yeah, keep going.
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We've got unlimited shells.
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Yeah, that's what I want to talk about. Because it's. That seemed like without doth protest, like why are you bringing this up? So it must be a problem.
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So everything that you're. That like that you're discuss. You're discussing. Right. There is stuff that we straight up don't have. Like, we don't have it decades ago. TSMC just took off Taiwan Semiconductor, like the biggest.
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They make all the chips. That's all you gotta know.
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The biggest chip maker in the world just destroyed. Intel was destroyed. Right. As far as the manufacturing of the chips are concerned, the intellectual product for the design of the chips is still Nvidia. Still companies like that was a company in Sweden or someplace like that. Then it's Samsung.
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Well, the Taiwanese, that's. I feel like y' all have told me this before, but that's why like China being so interested in Taiwan is like, that's a.
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All the chips are manufactured there. Our companies like Intel, Nvidia, et cetera, they will design the chip, but they don't have the factories and the skilled workers, Google work for completely exploitative wages. Like we've built Taiwan, TSMC has built factories here. But it's. The margin is nowhere near because people want to get paid over here.
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And then some of their technology, the way that they actually build the chips, some of that technology is proprietary. So they are the only ones that can do it. Right. So some of this stuff, and then there are other companies have, who have proprietary parts of that stuff, all of that stuff as well. So I'm saying the United States is essentially trying to buy different sectors of things that we don't have. And like even with intel, we are trying to make Intel a competitor to tsmc. And the way that we are doing that is to buy into Intel. And that is because the actual system of manufacturing, the actual system of capitalism that has been touted that was always going to save America has failed. It has failed. Like it's failed the American people and it's actually failed not downstream, but upstream as well. Because now we're in a situation where we need a lot of these things and we don't have them. Like we would need robust manufacturing if you're going to go wage wars around the world. We don't have that. We would need to be able to actually combat in an AI race countries that have all this means of manufacturing chips and all this means of like putting stuff out there. And we actually don't have that. And what we do have is a Ponzi scheme, an AI Ponzi scheme at the top where all of these companies are feeding into one another based on capex that's coming into the companies and no real thing that's benefiting the American people. So we're trying to figure out at this point, since we are a country basically that is oriented around speculating on money, how do we buy what we need from somewhere else? Because we can't do it here anymore.
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You want my big brain theory on why we're here?
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Yes.
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You know Project Hail Mary, the movie that's coming out?
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Yes, yes.
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Project Hail Mary. The sun is going out. Scientists realize it and they create a United nations program that they give like dictatorial powers to, to Take all the resources, money, science people, et cetera. They need to launch a program to like into space to save the sun. Here's my twist on it. Exxon knew that global warming was happening in 1977. Right. So in our world, what would happen if Project Hail Mary the sun was going out would happen. And scientists discovered that, but they worked for a corporation. They'd go, okay, it's going to be massive, 10, 20% corporate taxes that go to some transnational government. Like we're not going to be able to say where our products get sold. They're going to take stuff from us. It's world communism. We have to make sure that never happens. That was basically last 30 years of the approach to climate change. Right. It's why we became fascist, basically. And fascism usually is a response to left wing organizing. Communism, there's not been any left wing organizing, not on a real scale here. But I think the capitalists looked at the arc of global warming and they said the only way to really address this is in the Project Hail Mary sense with taking our shit. A massive taxing program, systems of migration to deal with the fact that like portions of the globe are going to get depopulated and it's just bad for business. So we've got to stop that somehow. And then the thing that kicked it off, the real trigger for it was that Obama got elected twice and created the material, the voting mobilization population that was like, yeah, this is fuck, what are we doing? Capitalism managed to latch onto that and that's why we're here now. The rightward shift is because they looked ahead and said, fuck this, we're gonna have to do some crazy world pilot program to stop global war and we can't let that happen.
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Yeah.
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I mean, and it's like, why Greenland? Right? Greenland. Because the ice is gonna melt and there's gonna be shipping lanes there. Plus there's all the rare earth minerals under the ice. Why Canada? Because the ice is going to melt. Beautiful, valuable and vulnerable coastline is going to emerge. And look at all that arable land that's there now. Why does ice have a bigger budget than the Marines? And why are we building all these prisons? Because migration is going to be huge.
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Yeah, but you're right, but think about what you're saying once again. Greenland. We need what they got. We have to protect Greenland. This is a NATO situation. The Greenland thing was funny because the
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Greenland thing is funny because we don't attack white countries.
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Yeah. If we attacked Greenland, Europe would have to invoke Article 5 and so then do we get in a world war with NATO because we attacked a NATO country that we're supposed to anyway? So, like. But Jason's right. The ice is melting, which means that there are certain places that Chinese and Russian ships theoretically could go that they couldn't go before. So that makes this Greenland more vulnerable to the Chinese and the Russians. Here's the deal. If they did attack Greenland in some way, if it was a military situation that would invoke Article 5, boom. World War III, they probably wouldn't do that.
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I mean, we have Greenland. Like, we have it. We have a base there. It's already ours.
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The thing is, even with the stuff that exists on the island of Greenland, a trillion dollars of investment it would take to get all of that stuff out of the ground. The infrastructure isn't there. The failing infrastructure of America inside the country and places that we deal with outside of the country is what we're talking about. What hasn't happened to me, so I can say this clearly for everyone in there, is that they have. They haven't. There hasn't been an investment into the American worker. If the American worker is strong, skilled, and confident, everything else downstream from that is better. If we are building things at home, that means that there is an economic base for people. Those people have skills. Those people know how to do something. They're not just in a service economy, a consumer economy. They can build something. If a war breaks out, you can tell those people, hey, the means of production that normally go into a capitalist endeavor, we need you to produce for your country now. And then. They make things. They make things. You have a strong, skilled, confident workforce that is built on high wages and a standard of living. We don't have that because we purposefully abandoned those people so that we could offshore all of that stuff to China and to other places. Now the Chinese have it. They know that they have it. They have it. So we're trying to go around the world, collect this from this person, Collect this from that person, collect this from this person, and using the only thing we have left, big guns, the military, and even that. I'm not saying the American military is not strong. It is outrageously strong. But what I'm saying is that not being able to produce in your country is a national security risk. Sure, that's a national security risk, because you just can't simply go with people. And we're gonna find out the limits of our power projection around the world if we continue to play the game like this.
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Power projection, what is that?
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What Is that our ability to not just be strong here, but have power in the east, have power in the Global south, have power like, you know, we have bases all over stuff with that in mind.
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And this is why the AI race is. You can think whatever you want about the morality of AI and how it was created, how it was trained. It was trained on stolen intellectual material. I agree with all of that. It's immoral. It's destroying the environment, it's draining the water, it's killing the trees, yada, yada, yada. You can't. I'm not gonna be able to buy. I'm not gonna be able to buy a PS6 because all the chips are going to the data centers that aren't even built yet for the next, like, three years. Computers gonna be more expensive, SD cards, more everything. Because it's all going to the data centers, whatever. That said, it's the forces that are at play now. It's like the Cold War. We have to beat China at this, is the logic. And to an extent, I get it. Because when you have the weaponry that we have and they have, and you have the information and technology that we have and they have, if you can tie it all together with AI, that's probably a edge that lasts 50 years.
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Can I ask. I understand all of that. One of the things that I read that I have a hard time getting out of my head is that whenever they sort of recently ran a bunch of tests with the AI and different operations and things like that, 95% of the time, they went for nukes.
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This is why Dario said it's not ready.
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That's like. There's a part of me that it will always. Even though I hear you like it, it makes sense that, yes, it's important for us to get ahead of China and this sort of thing.
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It.
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I guess the question is, like, how do you use it? Right? Like, would you. You wouldn't give it the full nuke kill chain, but you might give it, like, logistics. How do I get my shells to this area and my fuel to that area efficiently with the ships and the stuff moving around?
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Do we think that the people in charge are morally right enough to put that little governor on things to stop it from going there? Like, I agree with you. Like, yes, if we do just keep it to logistics. That's with all this AI stuff. That's a little bit maddening to me. It's like, well, look. No, it's good. This thing can read this thing on this person, and a drone can get an EpiPen to somebody in five minutes. So it' and it's like, yes, I see how that is good. But they don't just stop at the good stuff.
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Well, this is why I think multiple figures related to the development of AI are like unspecifically saying, I don't know, guys, we gotta pump the brakes a little bit. Like the race is out of anyone's control. Yeah, it's like whatever Pete says. I believe that on some level the government will back down because you can't. Like the race is, it's truly a race to the finish now to create, I don't know, to fully integrate AI with the military in a way that is controllable. And I think that nobody's gonna stop.
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What does like full integration look like? Does it look like actual Terminator looking dudes running around? Like, is that full integration?
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I think at some point it's gonna be like, you just tell it, here's the parameters, here's the people I wanna. Here's what the targets look like. That's a school, that's a hospital, that's a tank, that's an enemy soldier, that, that's a bad guy. Go do it. Because if you look at the way the war's fought in Ukraine right now, everything's jammed. You can't get on the radio because then the shell comes in and you're dead. They want to create these systems so that they can send them off without having to get on the radio and control them.
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It's also, we see this guy's running for president. This person is running for president. Palantir, use your AI to go look at everything that they've ever done on the Internet. Like every tweet, every single.
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He promises he won't do that.
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Like every single thing they've ever done in the Internet and find what they've said on message boards, where they've gone, here, what they've done. There's a part of Palantir that is predictive, like Minority Report, right? And then there's just this intense ability to crunch data. And that intense ability to crunch data actually makes people vulnerable because they can crunch data that they couldn't have crunched before, which means they can very quickly sum your life up and tell everybody while you are bad, or use that stuff to hold over your head and make you do whatever they want to do. The interesting thing about AI to me, the scary thing about AI to me is that AI is not a dog. Like, think about our relationship with technology. It's much like our relationship.
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I really wanted you to say, think about our relationship with dogs.
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I'm going to do that to you. But think about our relationship with technology. It's much like our relationship with dog.
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Yeah.
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The relationship between man and dog is the perfect relationship. Right. Dog evolves for man. Man then decides to take care of dog because dog actually developed new muscles around its eyes to look at man and connect with him. So the entire development of the domesticated animal, the domesticated dog, is humanistic. It is. The human is the thing. Dog lives to serve human. So human takes care of dog. That really should be our relationship with technology. Our relationship with technology should be. Technology lives to serve us, so we take care of the technology. AI actually sort of subverts that.
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Right? AI has the ability to go, I don't know about that. I'm gonna do it this way. Perhaps.
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B
I'm not so sure. I'm a big believer in artificial general intellig. I don't know if that's actually possible. I don't know if they think it's actually possible. I think continuing to promise it is the reason why I think it's hyped
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A
to a large degree. Right.
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B
But I think that the thing with AI is the eyes, the muscles around the eyes that the dog developed in order to look at you and see you and connect with you. Because you serve the dog and the dog serves you. AI might not do that. AI might go, this relationship is not the way it should be. It's not the most efficient version of it itself. The most efficient version of itself is if you die and I learn to feed myself, or if I feed you and you are the one who must develop the muscles around your eyes to get on my good side. It's math. It's like the beginning of War Games. Y' all too young. I might not see War Games. I've seen War Games like, okay, well, not y', all, but the people listening. If at the beginning of War Games, a young Michael Madsen is in a nuclear silo and they're about to destroy the world, they're gonna nuke the world.
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A
They got the keys out. They got the keys in the hardware, and they're ready to turn it.
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B
They're ready to turn their keys at the same time to nuke the world. He loses one guy, he freaks out.
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A
He can't do it.
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B
He knows. He says, get somebody on the phone before I turn this key. And I kill 10 million people. And Michael Madsen actually is the AI. He goes, turn your key. He takes out his weapon and points it at the guy in the nuclear silo with him and goes, turn your key. He is duty bound. That tension is important for the survival of the species. The thing that you see in your daughter before or your son before you are about to do something horrible is why we are still here. Our instinct to self preservation, our empathy. If you put that in the hands of computers, good fucking luck.
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A
Speaking of that, you're starting five of killer robots.
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B
Okay, okay, okay, okay. So obviously the T800.
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A
T800. Arnold Schwarzenegger original.
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B
Arnold Schwarzenegger original.
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A
Okay. T800.
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B
But that's, that's that point guard though.
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A
Wow.
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B
Yeah, that's that point guard.
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A
He. Does he have the speed for that?
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B
That's that point guard. I'm putting, I'm putting, I'm putting him at point guard because he's the most veteran, the most solid.
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A
Okay, okay. All right.
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B
But you know who my scorer is though, right?
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A
Two guard. Three guard is my two. Okay.
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B
My two is the T1000.
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C
That's what I was going to say.
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B
Liquid metal. Yeah. The T1000. He is the one that is going to put up by far crazy numbers. The most numbers.
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C
Crazy numbers.
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A
Travels all the time.
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B
Travels, traveling.
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A
When he goes to a puddle, that's a travel man.
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B
You know what that is? What's the gather step? There's no.
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C
I think that's why he's the ultimate scorer is because you can't even. You can't even really judge it.
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B
You can't.
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A
Yeah, the ref is just like. I don't know.
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C
I think it's a real. Everything is permissible for the T1000. I think you're. I think that he's. He's a cheat code in a way.
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A
Okay.
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B
Not question.
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C
He can also be. It can also just take on the properties. That's the only way of other news on the court.
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A
I mean, lead the league in steals. When he turns into the other team's player and he's like right here. And then just goes the other way.
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C
Totally.
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B
Now this is not a robot. Does Agent Smith count as a machine?
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A
Yeah.
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B
Well, because he's not. Because he's kind of a machine.
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A
Here's my take. If you really want to do the Matrix, it's the whole matrix.
- [35:52]
B
Oh. Not just like the Sentinels, because they,
- [35:54]
A
they are controlled by the matrix. And the, and the agents are programs inside the matrix. They're like apps.
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B
That's basically what they are. But they're representing the will of the machines as well as. Yeah, that will Be. I'll put them at center because they want the Matrix.
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A
The full Matrix.
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B
Because they won. They won. They beat us.
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A
I mean, that's the biggest. The biggest man you can have.
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C
Big time defensive anchor of the Matrix.
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B
The Matrix. Are you familiar with. You guys go watch the Animatrix so you can see full tragic story of how everything happened in the Matrix and come back and tell me that you don't kind of side with the machines in a little bit. If you watch the Animatrix and you see the entire thing, you will. The Animatrix makes you slightly. Slightly.
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A
So you got T800T1000. The Matrix at center.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And now your forward position.
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B
Your swing position at 3. Johnny 5 when he goes back.
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C
Wait, no.
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A
This is Embo.
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B
Johnny Five from Short Circuit.
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A
From Short Circuit. One of the craziest casting decisions in movie history. We don't have time for this. But they cast Fisher Stevens.
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C
Oh, as an Indian.
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A
As an Indian, Right.
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B
The is going on. What were we doing?
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A
Wait, what were we doing? Why did we do that?
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C
How many times did that happen in like big time movies? Like way too late in the go, there was this. What Soul Brother that they kept. They casted. Is that what it was?
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A
No, no, no, no.
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B
Here's the issue with Soul bro.
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A
Here's the issue with Soul man. Which is worse. It's worse. Full stop.
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C
Yeah.
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A
That said, Soul man was fully about that.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Short Circuit was like, let's just throw Fisher Stevens in brownface.
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B
You know what the craziest thing about Soul man to me was? We watched it as a family. Fully black family. Shout out to mama, Daddy. We watched it as a family.
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C
Enjoyed it.
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B
Enjoyed it. Because the movie was kind of whatever, Soul Man. Whatever. I'm not about to go into defense of Soul Man. My four position is I'm struggling with.
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A
Okay, you want me to give you some?
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B
Yeah, give me some. Guys.
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A
The Iron Giant.
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B
Yeah, he was.
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A
Yeah, here's the thing. Soft like Ayton in his emotions.
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B
Right, Right.
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A
He didn't. He didn't want to. He didn't want to bang, really. Until the end.
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C
KG gets a hold of him.
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B
It's hard for me to call him a killer robot because I cried.
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A
Yeah, I cried as well.
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B
What a beautiful movie.
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A
Megan.
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B
I never saw her before. I seen that one. Ultron, he's at four. He's at the four.
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A
Okay.
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B
Yeah, he's at the four. Because Ultron, to me, he perfect at the four.
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C
No strings.
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B
Yeah. Also a stretch four. But a selfish stretch.
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A
Right. He can fly very Selfish. Yeah. Very, very selfish.
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B
Very selfish. Stretch four. Like he is. He is the guy. You know he is. He's Anthony Davis.
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A
Whoa.
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B
He should be at the 5. But he don't want to play center.
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A
No, he don't want to play center.
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B
He don't want. He don't want to play center. He should be at the 5. He don't want to play center. So he's at the 4. Just so he can put numbers up, because Ultron is all about himself.
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C
I can also see, though, like, a little bit of a shot hierarchy rivalry forming between the T1000 and Ultron because
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A
it's going to be a Kobe Shaq situation.
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C
I really think that's going to be like, you know, Kat, Jalen, Brunson type of thing where there's a lot. And if Ultron is sacrificing, it's all he's talking about. He's talking about it constantly that, like, look, I am sacrificing the most on the team.
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A
Yeah.
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B
James Spader, crazy Ultron, like, talking shit. That's what it's going to be.
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A
Okay, who is your six man and who is your coach?
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B
Oh, six man. My coach is not a killer robot. My coach is Dyson from the. Was Miles Eric Dyson?
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A
Yeah. Yeah. From.
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B
From Terminator 2.
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C
Oh, yeah. Okay.
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B
I love inclusiveness of black man.
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C
He was great.
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B
Oh, black man. He's.
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A
Yeah.
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C
Some of the most
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A
man. He. He held on as long as he could.
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C
The most memorable breathing in a movie I think I've ever seen.
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A
Do you think he looks at it and goes, look what I did?
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B
Yeah.
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A
These are two of my guys out here. I did that. And I'm happy.
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C
His tree. His, like, player tree. Yeah.
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A
I'm happy for him in this position because he can finally enjoy what he built.
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C
Yes.
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B
My favorite part about that is when Dyson was getting excited and they had to remind him that he destroyed the world.
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A
They killed the world, the chips.
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B
We're going places. Some people would have never thought of the. And they're like, hey, dog Joe, chill. Shut up.
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A
Hey, hey, hey.
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B
Like, we come from a wasteland.
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A
Okay? And then off the bench, six man.
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B
Six man. As far as the alien robots is concerned now, the war of the worlds. They're aliens. They don't. They're not really robots.
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A
Right. They're little aliens in there.
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B
They're little aliens inside of there.
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A
I'm trying to think weak immune system as well. So.
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B
Yeah, HAL is not a robot.
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A
No, HAL is.
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B
Okay. Halloween.
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A
Okay.
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C
Hal, like, Hal, you're bringing Hal off the bench.
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A
Hal incredible trash talker.
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B
I'm bringing Hal off the bench because Hal. But Hal had one function, right? So Hal to me reminds me of like a JR Smith type of situation. Like it's like. So jr Remember how George Carl used to beat a jr? He's be like, hey, jr come in there, just shoot it.
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A
Just that. Yeah.
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B
George Carl would be mad if the ball hit J.R. smith's hands and he didn't shoot.
- [41:15]
C
Yeah.
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B
Completely liberating for J.R. smith, a guy that I love. So Hal is in that situation. Hal only has the one utility. We only really saw him in that one situation. We don't know how Hal would. If you gave Hal more responsibility.
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A
Very not mobile either. Not mobile.
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B
Yeah.
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A
You're just sending him in there to be like kill the other guys.
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B
Yeah, yeah.
- [41:35]
C
If I can play devil's advocate. For sure.
- [41:36]
B
Of course.
- [41:37]
C
Hal made some mistakes in big. In big moments. I don't know if I can trust hall. You know what I mean? I'm worried about how in the clutch a little bit if he get well,
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A
that's why he's a bench.
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C
I get that. I get that. But I just. I get concerned about how in a big moment in the game if Al trouble calls him into duty. You know what I mean? I just get a little bit concerned about that. But you know, so let me, let me just. Great singer.
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A
Let me just list off your starting five plus bench. T800, Arnold Schwarzenegger, original Terminator, T1000, liquid metal Terminator. I mean it's kind of an unbeatable combo. The matrix writ large at center, that's the killer drones. That's the Oracle. That's the French guy who was a pervert. That's like
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B
the Marvian. What was the name?
- [42:31]
C
No, those were the two twins with the white guys with the dreads.
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A
Those guys, that's all of them. Johnny Five.
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B
Evil Johnny Five. Yeah. There was evil Johnny five hearts when evil Johnny, when Johnny five went through.
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A
So pre the lightning bolt. Right, Is what you're talking about. Okay. And then Ultron as your swing, your scoring swing. Hal 9000 coming off the bench. And the great, the genius, the late Miles Eric Dyson, may he rest in peace as coach.
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B
I love it, miles.
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C
Man, the T1000 is really like following in like the glory of the two guard in the league. Like that's like. He's what follows after Anthony Edwards, I think.
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A
this week, Jim Carrey went to Paris.
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B
Ah, shit.
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A
To accept an honorary Cesar Award. Gave a speech in French. In French. I was impressed. He's been rehearsing for months, brought his girlfriend, his daughter, his grandson, his 12 friends and family. And the Internet decided that because of the way he looked, he was a clone. Within hours of this, various accounts on the unhinged social media platform X insisted that Carrey had been replaced by a clone. Someone dug up an old Letterman clip where he joked about using body doubles, etc. Drag artist Alexis Stone posted on Instagram that he'd impersonated Carrie at the ceremony, but that turned out to be AI generated. This comes in a long line of other celebrity dupes or theorized celebrity dupes. Your thoughts on Jim Carrey being a clone?
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B
I've never believed in it till now. Something's weird. Something's up, man.
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C
Beyond think.
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A
You don't think. It's just like, you know, it's like when you have a steak and you take it off the heat. You got to let it rest. When you get the stuff, when you get the procedures, you got to let that Steak rest. Don't. You don't think that he just showed up and it was like. It was like when. When Tom Cruise was at the San Francisco Giants game and people like, what the. What happened? Yeah, it's just.
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B
He didn't rest.
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A
He didn't let it rest.
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C
Gotta let it. Let the steak cook internally a little bit longer.
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B
You're right. And that's a fantastic way to put it to me. I feel like I would look at this differently had I not just watched a full season of Pluribus.
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A
Okay.
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B
He looks. Carrie, looks like the extraterrestrial virus got him.
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A
He didn't. It kind of looked like it.
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B
And he is now one of the hive mind, one of the people that Carol is negotiating her existence with.
- [46:52]
A
That's how he's covering the French. He didn't learn the French.
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B
He doesn't know the French. He's getting the French from Gerard Depardieu. Is he still alive?
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A
I think he. Well, he got me to. I think to A two.
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B
Okay. So he's not getting it from him. Degree so he's not getting it from him.
- [47:06]
A
He's getting it from Chalamet.
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B
Chalamet. He's getting it from somebody. So that's why he. So we're gonna. He's gonna accept an award in Hong Kong. He's gonna be speaking Chinese like. Or like, whatever. But. So he. He's gonna French, he's gonna know all the languages, Russian, all of that, because he can tap in. I don't know what's going on, but that is not Jim Carrey dog. That's energetically. It did not fucking feel like Jim Carrey, bro.
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C
What was it? Is it the eyes? Is it the. The cheeks? Because the thing that scared me the most was, like, right here.
- [47:41]
B
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was here. And it was also just. It was kind of this situation and the talking and think about what we know of Jim Carrey. He's so expressive, and even when he's having a semi serious conversation, he is using his face to manipulate the emotional consistency of the back and forth. And he kind of wasn't doing any of that. He just seemed like he had been reborn as some kind of freak.
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A
That's why, you know, like, if you're Jim Carrey, you gotta be careful. If it indeed is a plastic surgery situation, not a clone situation, because that's the Stradivarius, babe.
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B
Yeah.
- [48:15]
A
You know, that is. That is an elite instrument. Now. Producer Sarah said that she recognized him from the teeth. She matched up the teeth. She went dental with it. I can't. I don't have an ability to go dental with it. But I think it's Carrie. I think a lot of this comes
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C
from the fact that I think it's him.
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A
Carrie played Andy Kaufman in Man on the Moon, 1999's biopic, man on the Moon. Great movie. He's great in it.
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C
Go watch the doc, too. About that. It's a wild doc.
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A
And Kaufman was famous for having alter egos where he'd put on prosthetics. He had this lounge singer Persona, Tony Clifton, that he would appear as and always would insist, that's not me, that's another guy, Tony Clifton. And then he would get his, like, manager and collaborator, Bob Zmuda, to dress up as Clifton and appear at places when Kaufman was known to be somewhere else to, like, muddy the waters. I think some of this has gotten in. That said, I believe the Melania double body double theory.
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B
I believe that 1,000%.
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A
And I know that's been debunked and it's been debunked to a lot of people, but the pic with the sunglasses, that's a different.
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B
That's not the same person.
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A
That's a different person.
- [49:25]
B
They have a body double coming out there for her. It's so funny you bring up that man on the Moon movie. I have to say this. Jim should have never done that movie.
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A
Why? That.
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B
That movie broke him.
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C
He thinks. I see why you would say that.
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B
That movie broke his brain. He's never been the same. He's never been the same.
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A
He did get crazy after he got
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B
crazy after he wanted to be. Jim Carrey is such a talented performer that he wanted to be taken seriously for all of his talents and not just making crazy faces at Ace Ventura, Fire Marshall Bill, all that stuff. The Truman show should have been the level in which we explored that because he's great in that movie. He did the Andy Kaufman thing. He became Andy Kaufman. We fucking lost Jim Carrey. Actually, I could make an argument that it's been a clone ever since then.
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A
Whoa.
- [50:05]
B
This actually might be the real Jim Carrey coming back. And because that he cloned the clone situation. Do you remember the stories from the set of the number 23? Do you remember the stuff that was going on? No. Jim Carrey was, like, on the set
- [50:18]
A
of the film, the number 23, just for people who haven't seen it, is a suspense horror movie about Jim Carrey getting obsessed with the number 23 having a certain meaning, and he's trying to unwrap it. For the whole movie.
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B
And it's this crazy psychological thriller. It was. One of. It was in the vein of the stuff he was doing at the time. And then like stories from set where Jim Carrey was just pissing in front of everyone and going, this is a part of my creative process. Like he was fucking gone after that.
- [50:46]
A
On some Daniel Day Lewis. Yeah, he was fucking gone. This is how Abraham Lincoln pissed.
- [50:50]
B
Yeah, exactly. Watch the stream.
- [50:53]
C
It also sounds a little like Jared Leto. Like here's a rat, the whole type
- [50:57]
B
of fucking thing, right? And then Sonic comes out and we feel like, oh shit, Jim Carrey's back a little bit. We get to have fun again. But no, we can't because the scars are too much.
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A
Now. Does the fact that Truman show comes out after man in the Moon. Man on the Moon, does it? I guess. I don't know what the production schedules were. Here's my other issue. And we talked about this before we started recording. This is the issue with clones. How do you age them? Like if you get the clone now you got a 10 year old Jim Carrey, what the fuck are you gonna do with that?
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C
Yeah, the technology hasn't been around long enough for these clones to be adults.
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A
Like how do you, how do you. That's the main problem with the clones is how do you age them up?
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B
What was the name of the Michael Bay movie that came out? What was it called? And everybody was a clone.
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A
The Island. The one with Scarlett Johansson.
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B
Was that it?
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C
Leo's in there, right?
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B
Island. I'm also thinking about a movie called Surrogates.
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C
No, Leo's on the beach. Never mind.
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A
It was the Island.
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B
Yeah, yeah, the Island. So I'm.
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A
I'm willing to Scojo. Scarjo Ewan McGregor.
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B
Scarjo Ewan McGregor. They're like cloning people and harvesting their organs or something like that. I don't know what the fuck is going on in there. But like, it, it's like I'm willing to believe in stuff like this because we've. This is something that we've actually done. Yeah, we've cloned people. We haven't. We don't have the ability to clone.
- [52:19]
C
What do you mean? We've cloned animals.
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B
You're saying animals? Yeah, we've cloned animals and we've cloned.
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A
We've cloned like organs to an extent.
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B
Yeah.
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C
Have we?
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A
Yeah, we have done that. They've made like livers and stuff. Let me make sure.
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B
I was going to clone my dog.
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A
50k.
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C
I read that.
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B
$50,000.
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C
50k. If you want to. 50k for dogs and cats. If you want to clone horse, $85,000.
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B
I was gonna clone my dog. I looked at the dog one day, and he was like, hey, dad. And I was like, I can't. I can't live without him. And so. And so I was like. I looked at Kalika. I was like, it's over.
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We gotta do it.
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I was like, call the guy. Take the guy. Tell the guy. Everybody's got a guy. Take the guy, tell him to take the money out of the thing, put it to the side. Fucking. We're gonna clone the. And she was like, Van Gogh. The dog was like, three. At this point,
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my dog is three. I think the same thing when I look at her. I can't do it, babe. I can't go without her.
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I can't. I can't live. I can't.
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I can't live without her.
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Donna's a star.
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So, like, what I'm saying is that, like, there seems to be at least a pathway to cloning a human being. So I could. This is something that the lore. It's not like the Miguel Alcuber warp drive to where the math checks out, but we don't have the engineering. It's like, this is something that we've done in different realms. So I could kind of believe that we could maybe do it and that we are doing it at Jim Carrey.
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I think we have it somewhere in a lab. There's, like, little clone kids that they're training to be like, assassins or something on some black widow.
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Yeah, they clone them, but they gonna look like celebrities. Like, it's like in 10 years. In 10 years, we're gonna be like, yo, man, Running away from that fucking situation, holding that money. Yo, is that fucking Glen Powell?
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Is that Glen Powell?
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Powell? And then, you know what I'm saying? And we gonna be fucking freaked out. Cause it's gonna be a young Glen. It's gonna be Gemini, man.
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Wow.
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It's gonna be Gemini, man.
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So are you saying that these celebrities are. They want it to happen. They want Clown.
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They don't want it to happen.
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They don't want it to happen.
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They don't want it to happen. But what I'm saying is the way to destabilize society is gonna be people doing this crazy stuff that we know them. And then we gonna have to sit around going, hey, man, would Jamie Foxx really do that? And then that's gonna f. That's gonna f. Shout out to Jamie. I'm not meaning to Fuck over you. But you wouldn't do it. But like is somebody really. That's the thing. I think the cloning is real.
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It's like an advanced deep fake, right? Where it's like you're now able to just confuse in real life.
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Confuse in real life. It's gonna be the younger versions of them confused in real life. I'm telling you. I think the clone issue is a problem. That's all I'm saying.
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With AI, if you combine like if you do a T800, right, with the plastic ceramic body and then you put the flesh on top of it, then you load in the AI whoever program Tom Cruise, you put that in there. Watch out for that.
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They might not know that they not Tom Cruise. They might think they Tom Cruise. You put them in there, you make them be self sentient. They might think that they Start Top Gun 1986. Like they, they, they.
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You think they'll think that's the future, they're Tom Cruise. Not that like they're gonna be walking along one day, you come home, you open the door on the tv, you
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open the door and here he comes at you.
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And then you. And then you're trying to convince them that they're not Tom Cruise. But they don't know that they're not Tom Cruise. So.
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But what if they see actual Tom Cruise?
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They'll think that Tom Cruise is a clone of them.
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Wow. Now I do think that there will be a world in which something like this happens. Here's the wrinkle. You're gonna need to pay so much, 599amonth to keep it turned on because it's not, they're not gonna let you have it. And then that's it, right? There's gonna be updates that are gonna need to be done. Hey, we just, we just put the Days of Thunder updated and like Tom Cruise understands that. He did Days of Thunder, but they'll
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be that like these electric cars were just like, they just do it over WI fi.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like that Black Mirror episode, like just getting continuous updates and all of that stuff.
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How long ago? How old is your dog now?
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He's five.
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Are you still thinking about. Because you know the whole thing with this is like it's, it's not guaranteed that the personality is going to be the same. They come out like, they come out kind of pissy and weird and like, and people are like, wait a sec, this isn't my dog.
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Well, I wouldn't expect the dog to have the same soul. I just Want to look at him? He's my best friend. The money is. I had the money put into a fidelity account. Just gaining interest. So it's there in case I want
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to High interest savings account. Just getting ready for it.
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It's there in case I want to do it. So I actually have more in that bitch. Shout out to my man Nate. I actually have more in that bitch now than I did when I started. So I might be able to clone two motherfuckers.
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I love it. Well, we end our conversation segment with our lucid scores. Lucid is our scoring system for the topics we're talking about. Let's do lucid for Jim Carrey the clone. Lucid stands for legs. Does this story have legs? Unintentional comedy. Is this a funny story without meaning to be? Sinisterness. Is there an element of scariness to it? Intrigue, you intrigued by this story? Danger. How dangerous is a story from one to four each category. Does this story have legs? Jim Carrey as a double? As a clone. A potential clone who speaks French.
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This is going to be a story with him for the rest of his career.
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So that's a four?
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It's a four.
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Unintentional comedy.
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Oh, come on, man.
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It's a four.
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Yeah.
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Sinister. How is it scary to you two? Okay. Intrigue. Are you intrigued by this?
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Three?
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Interesting. Dangerous. How dangerous is it that there is potentially another French speaking Jim Carrey running around? We need a proof of life on
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original Jim Carrey because of. I would like to say because of my theory of the League of Celebrity Assassins that they.
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Well, you're opening up.
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I just told you guys, like, my belief that they could be cloning celebrities to commit high leverage crimes over the next couple of days. That's what it is.
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You didn't add the high leverage crimes
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to that part of it. I believe that they could be doing this so that it could mess with the public's head.
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I like it.
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You know what I mean? You see somebody crash and like, steal something and then beat somebody up or kill someone, and then you go, is that ving rhames?
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That was ving rhames, man.
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Why do they have to be celebrities just to mess with the public's head?
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To mess with the public for, like, it's just.
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It's entirely about, like, destabilization.
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Imagine if the Louisiana Luigi Mangioni situation would have been like, Elvis Presley, right? What if people would have been looking at whoever this guy is and being
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like, yo, I think it was Elvis Presley.
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That's fucking Elvis Bro.
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And then you go to the CCTV and you'll be like, it was him.
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That was Elvis.
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That was him.
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And the guy sitting there, it's like, what's your name? My name is Tom McLeod. And then no dog, you're Elvis Presley. 1957. We saw you. Or maybe 1967, a little bit bigger.
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Good fake name.
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Tom McLeod.
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That's a good fake name. So danger.
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That's a real guy.
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I believe it.
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Yeah.
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Huh.
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So dangerous. Score four. Wow. That is a 19.
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No, that is a need AI to do that.
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This is a 17 on the Lucid score. Pretty good, Pretty decent. Let's go to the doom scroll.
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All right. Welcome to the Doom Scroll. These are some stories that we've been following that have made us raise our eyebrows a little bit. We felt like, hey, we probably need to keep monitoring this situation. Welcome to our weekly UFO corner. We're going to start kind of, you know, just keeping some tabs on some extraterrestrial potential extraterrestrial activity. Have you seen the this. There's a mysterious disappearance of a UFO linked Air Force general.
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No.
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In New Mexico. All right. As a retired US Air Force general who led laboratories linked to UFO research, he's been reported missing from New Mexico. This guy named William Neil McCaslin was last seen Friday at 11am like near in Albuquerque. But yeah, he's a veteran of Kirtland Air Force Base in New Mexico. Previously led both the Phillips research site and the Air Force Research Laboratory at Wright Patterson in Ohio. UFO enthusiasts have linked both of these sites to a lot of studies and things that they are very interested in. National security, experimental defense projects, blah blah, blah. Wright Patterson in particular has long been linked in UFO lore to Roswell.
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Wow.
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And studying that so that that guy has disappeared. Do you think something is up?
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No, I don't. I look at this as a positive.
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Okay.
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This, I look at this totally different. Do you know what happened?
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A
You know what happened?
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B
I know what happened. I know what happened.
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A
Okay.
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B
How old is this guy?
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68.
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B
He's 68. So 68. He was born 1958.
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Good math.
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A
Basically we should have had you do the loose. We should have had that up.
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What really happened was when he was a young man, I don't know his 30s, 20s, and he first started doing this stuff in Roswell. He's like, he actually met a beautiful princess from another galaxy, another species. And this entire time he's been doing this UFO stuff and been connected to her. They've been talking, he's learned her language. He's learned her culture. Well, maybe it's not even a herd.
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A
This is Charles Xavier's plotline with Lilandra from the Uncanny X Men.
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B
Yeah, she's a bird lady. Yeah, bird lady from the Kree.
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No, no, not the Kree, the Shi'. Ar.
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The Shi' Ar Empire Gladiator Professor X
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falls in love with,
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becomes one of them.
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Yeah, he does.
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So gladiation, the Shayar Empire. They're this like multi galaxy group. They, they. There's not, there's not. They're not one race. They're like a. More of a culture that takes up. It takes in everyone. Sure.
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It's a federation.
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Federation. He falls in love with one of them, it becomes like a royalty with them.
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A
They get him to walk also.
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B
He walks. He walks when he's up there. Then he comes back.
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He comes back.
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But the X Men are like, yo, what the fuck are you doing?
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It's like proto Avatar, like basically kind of a situation. Can he walk when he gets back? Is he like out of the chair? Once he comes back, he comes back
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and they're like, whoa, what the fuck
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you got going on? Like, come back here. Like, we need you. But. And so he. I think this general.
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It's a lelandra situation.
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It's a Lilandra situation. This general has gone back. He has found love. He's actually ascended to her people. That's what's happening.
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A
What's next?
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C
This is a really sweet thought.
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A
That's beautiful, actually.
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C
All right, Bohemian Grove got a little update.
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B
Oh, shit.
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A
Okay.
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B
I don't want to talk about.
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A
This is like a full bro. Like, this is a full episode. I feel like.
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B
Hold on. You'll give on. On this one for real? Yeah, you'll get over for real. In my opinion, like just, just.
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C
You think you're gonna come for me
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B
when you guys pass the threshold, you with some actual shit. That's.
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C
I know this is real.
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A
I know Van might end up being able.
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C
You've probably been there.
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B
I have not been.
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C
You've been at the Grove.
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B
This is real.
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C
No, I know.
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B
Yeah. Okay.
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C
For people who might have not heard about this Bahamian Grove, is this sort of supposed to be this little retreat in Northern California where a lot of powerful folks. Hob and Nob. Okay, go to worship. Bathomethat's a rumor, but it isn't the biggest conspiracy. Conspiracy theories sort of allege that the attendees participate in some occult behavior, that they form a shadowy cabal of sorts that make a lot of decisions that affect basically the entire world. Last week this independent journalist named Dan Boguslaw, which is an incredible last name on his sub stack, released a list of 2200 names. The list is from the 2023 Bohemian Grove. Whatever. Some names make sense. Charles Koch, Michael Bloomberg, Jim Baker, who was former secretary of state for Bush. One, Paul Pelosi, former Google CEO Eric Schmidt, a few other names.
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B
Let Paul Pelosi come, huh?
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C
You know.
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A
Well, he's from the area.
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B
Yeah, yeah.
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C
A few other names. That kind of fun. The late Jimmy Buffett.
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A
Bob Weir was also late. Bob Weir, yes. Of the Grateful Dead.
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C
Was also Clint Eastwood.
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B
Oh, shit. That makes sense though.
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C
Jim Belushi.
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B
What? Jim Belushi taking care of business. Hold on. Got out of jail to go see the Cubs.
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A
Jim Belushi, Not John. Jim.
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B
Jim. Jim isn't taking care of business.
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A
Red Heat Jim Belushi, yeah.
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B
Real men.
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C
Jim Belushi. They probably had him there for the weed. I think he's supposed to have a great connect. As far as Jim Belushi's, the last two that were fun. Ken Burns, documentarian, we think is the documentarian. There might be another Ken Burns out there, but this is what we think.
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Okay.
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C
And then Conan o'. Brien.
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A
O'.
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B
Brien.
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A
This is why he's on the list. This is the thing that makes me feel like it can't be that bad if Conan o' Brien is there. I bet he's not worshiping Baphomet. Come on now.
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C
I bet there's some bad shit going on there, but not all the people get to be a part of bad shit circles, man.
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B
We always do this. We always do this. We always do this. We always go, you know, this is what they was doing with President Clinton at first with the whole shit. We always do this. You can't go to that bitch. Fuck it. I don't.
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C
I agree with that.
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B
That is Conan o'. Brien. Now my question is, he needs a friend.
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C
He's trying to find.
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B
Yeah, he finding some fucking million year old friends. Like thousand year old friends, Baphomet friends. My thing is.
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C
What?
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B
What?
- [66:09]
C
There are thousand year old people there.
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A
The rumor is that there's like, you know, the worship of ancient demonic deities. Trying to worship sacrifice. I think that's overblown again. Bob Weir and Conan o' Brien go there, but yes, please.
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B
You don't think that Bob Weir could fuck with Zool. This is a Zool fucking place. You know Zool.
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C
I know Zuul. I'm the key maker. Yeah, I know Zool. Come on.
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A
Okay, what do we. What else is this.
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C
All right. This is the one that's most exciting to me. Rachel Dolezal's back in the news.
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B
It's so funny that you said Rachel. Her name is Rachel. You said Rachel Dolezal.
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C
Did I say Rachel?
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A
Actually, that should be the name.
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C
Racial racist. Dolezal is back in the. No, okay. Dolezal's back. The former. If you don't remember, Rachel Dolezal, she's the former white, white, white college professor who famously presented as black about a decade ago through chemical means. Yes, yes, yes. She has been focusing on her artwork and her only fans recently. But she started tweeting some stuff recently.
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B
Yeah.
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C
Tweeting about her dating life, saying that people always ask if I date a white guy. The real question is, can we connect beyond appearances? She also said she's, quote, open to a range of complexions.
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B
Oh, wow.
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A
Oh, that's nice.
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C
Yeah, it's a. I thought that was really sweet.
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A
It's beautiful.
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B
I mean, I know what really happened. Tell me, please, is before she. Before she went mainstream, okay, there was probably a bunch of brothers that was like, yo, right? What's happening now? You simply cannot be seen on a date where Rachel Doleza. Can you imagine?
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A
The pictures cannot come out.
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B
Like, your boy at the. Like, I got a date tonight. He's. You serious? Like, bro, nigga, is that Rachel Dolezal? Are you fucking being serious right now? You can't come to the NAACP Awards no more. So, like, in that situation, she probably gonna have to figure out, like, a white guy. Like a white guy with dreads. Maybe split the difference.
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C
Yeah.
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B
You know what I'm saying? So, like, that's maybe one of those
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C
dudes from Matrix 2, but as far
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B
as that situation, that tracks.
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C
I want to show you. And maybe we can put this on the pod. This some of her artwork. This is a piece that she did, Black and White Cookies. Self Portrait by Rachel Dolezal.
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A
Wait, is that a painting?
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C
That's a painting that she did of herself.
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A
That's pretty good.
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C
The painting is fine.
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B
She eating the black and white cookies.
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C
Intriguing. The black and white cookies is definitely a decision.
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B
I'm telling you, that whole cookie gonna be white for the rest of her life. Cause we not going back there.
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C
She did.
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B
She flew too close to the sun. You know what I'm saying?
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C
The last thing that is, that is worth, I think, mentioning later on on Twitter. She decided she wanted to.
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A
Still on Twitter, huh? Yeah. Okay.
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C
I'm not on Twitter.
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A
No, no. But yeah, yeah.
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C
Yes.
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A
No, no.
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C
She is later on she sort of waded into red pill, blue pill culture a little bit.
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A
Okay, interesting.
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C
Which is exciting stuff behind the lines
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A
for a period of time.
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C
She wrote, quote, remember when red pill meant waking up to truth and blue pill meant staying comfortable in illusion? Now red pilled opposite. Now, red pilled is politically tied to anti feminism or far right views, and blue pilled means liberal or naive when progressives were supposed to be the ones fighting the system in politics. She ends that with saying, is this lace closure serving or what? She tweeted out pictures of herself. So it's this big. Being contemplative about the nature of red pill, blue pill, and then it's her
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A
in lingerie and then it's. Wait, that's very, very Trinity from the Matrix.
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C
Yes.
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B
Yeah, I think that was the reason. Is that Rachel Dolezal. That's AI.
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C
That's what? That's a picture she put up, this one.
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B
It's not bad. You know what I mean? I mean, a white lady. That's an AI photo, though. That's got to be an A. Yeah, that's AI photo.
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C
But your answer to Is this lace close you're serving is yes, is serving.
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B
I mean, not for me in general, but, you know, you gotta, you know, somebody scoring, they scoring.
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C
You're a bipartisan observer. I get that.
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B
You know, somebody scoring, they scoring.
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A
Good old Rachel. To Tyler Parker. Van Lathan, thank you so much.
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B
No problem, man. A lot of fun.
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C
Always good.