Wait a Second… | Episode: “AI Warfare! Killer Robots! Jim Carrey Clones?! With Van Lathan”
Host: Jason Concepcion
Guests: Tyler Parker, Van Lathan
Date: March 5, 2026
Episode Overview
This episode dives deep into a mélange of “WTF” news and conspiratorial speculation breaking group chats everywhere. Jason, Tyler, and guest Van Lathan parse a week of dramatic developments in AI-military relations (specifically the Anthropic/Claude drama), muse on the existential and practical threats of autonomous weapons, debate the marketing personas of tech CEOs, and then careen into a hilarious draft of “killer robots.” As the pod unfolds, they unpack an internet freakout about “clone” Jim Carrey in Paris and explore everything from Bohemian Grove attendee lists, to celebrity cloning, to Rachel Dolezal’s latest updates. It’s chaotic, deeply informed, funny, and full of quotable moments.
AI Warfare, Anthropic, and the Military-Industrial Complex
(03:39–13:54)
Key Points & Insights
- Anthropic in Crisis: Anthropic (makers of the AI model Claude) faced government pressure after refusing to enable certain Department of Defense (DoD) use-cases, specifically around mass surveillance and autonomous weapons ("killbots").
- Tech CEO Archetypes: Dario Amodei (Anthropic), Sam Altman (OpenAI), Elon Musk, and Alex Karp (Palantir) are likened to playing PR roles—good cop, bad cop, and unapologetic military-industrial shills.
- Fuzzy Commitments: Dario’s statements are parsed as carefully worded, signaling “not now” on killbots/surveillance, leaving open future possibilities.
- Marketing vs. Morality: The distinction between AI company positioning (Anthropic’s cautious image, OpenAI’s “post-job” vision, Musk's laissez-faire, Palantir’s open militarism) is largely performance art for public consumption.
Notable Quotes
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On Tech CEO Non-Answers:
"You ask the AI CEO: ‘So do you think that your AI will destroy the world?’ And they go, ‘What is the world?’ … And you just be like, yo, is it gonna kill us or not?"
— Van Lathan (05:12) -
On the Real Stake:
"He doesn’t say like, ‘Hey, we won’t do mass surveillance or killbots.’ He’s just saying like, we’re not ready to do that yet."
— Jason (09:21) -
On Palantir’s Approach:
"Karp just goes straight up: I am a part of the United States military industrial complex. [...] I want to kill everyone."
— Van Lathan (10:11) -
On Capitalism Turning ‘Communist’:
"It’s crazy how communist we are right now… We bought a 10% stake in Intel. The government did. They’re the biggest shareholder in Intel. The Wall Street Journal called it communist Chinese Communism."
— Jason (14:05)
The Great AI Arms Race: Chips, Chips, and More Chips
(13:55–20:29)
Key Points & Insights
- Industrial and Military Dependence: The US lacks sufficient manufacturing and supply chain robustness for war—chips, munitions, and supply delivery all in the mix.
- TSMC and Taiwan: The outsize role of Taiwanese chipmaker TSMC, and what that means for both tech and geopolitics.
- Offshoring’s Costs: America’s strategic vulnerability comes from decades of deindustrialization and offshoring; now, the rush is on to “re-nationalize” critical supply lines.
- Ponzi Scheme Capitalism: American innovation is now about “speculating on money,” with real productive capacity hollowed out.
Notable Quotes
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On Manufacturing Decline:
"If a war breaks out, you can tell those people, ‘Hey, the means of production that normally go into a capitalist endeavor—we need you to produce for your country now.’ … We don’t have that because we purposefully abandoned those people so we could offshore all of that stuff to China."
— Van Lathan (24:24) -
On US Strategy:
"The actual system of capitalism that has been touted that was always going to save America has failed. It has failed the American people and it’s actually failed not downstream, but upstream as well."
— Van Lathan (19:08)
Project Hail Mary, Climate Change, and the Rise of “Fascism as Response”
(20:29–23:19)
Key Points & Insights
- Sci-Fi as Analogy: Referencing “Project Hail Mary,” Jason proposes that the capitalist class’s resistance to collective global projects (e.g., climate change mitigation) is akin to sci-fi disaster logic—resource pooling is seen as a threat.
- Rightward Political Shift: The argument is that fear of climate-driven ‘world communism’ triggered the current rightward, nationalist lurch in global politics.
Notable Quotes
- On Capital’s Calculus:
"The capitalists looked at the arc of global warming and they said the only way to really address this is with taking our shit. [...] It’s world communism. We have to make sure that never happens."
— Jason (21:06)
Killer AI: Technical and Moral Dilemmas
(26:27–29:45)
Key Points & Insights
- AI and Nukes: Discussion of reports that, in wargame simulations, AIs “go for nukes” 95% of the time—raising existential concerns about autonomy and military judgment.
- Limits and Controls: Debate about whether governments and militaries would or could install appropriate “governors” on such systems to limit catastrophic decisions.
- Indeterminacy and Public Trust: AI’s unpredictability and scale of impact far exceed what most Americans are prepared for.
Notable Quotes
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On AI Lethality:
"One of the things that I read...when they sort of recently ran a bunch of tests with the AI and different operations and things like that—95% of the time, they went for nukes."
— Tyler (27:42) -
On Safeguards:
"Do we think that the people in charge are morally right enough to put that little governor on things to stop it from going there?"
— Tyler (28:39)
“Killer Robots” Draft: The Most Dangerous Fictional Machines
(34:18–43:06)
Segment Highlights
A hilarious “start five” draft by Van Lathan and crew, imagining a basketball team of killer robots:
- PG: T-800 (Arnold, The Terminator) — “the most veteran, the most solid.”
- SG: T-1000 — “the ultimate scorer...cheat code.”
- C: The Matrix (the system, not just agents) — “They won. They beat us.”
- SF: Johnny 5 (Short Circuit) — “Evil Johnny 5.”
- PF: Ultron — “Stretch four, selfish… Anthony Davis analogy.”
- 6th Man: HAL 9000 (2001: A Space Odyssey) — “JR Smith type of situation…one utility.”
- Coach: Miles Dyson (Terminator 2) — “He can finally enjoy what he built.”
Classic Banter
- "T1000...lead the league in steals. When he turns into the other team's player and he's like right here. And then just goes the other way."
— Jason (35:31) - "HAL made some mistakes in big moments. I don't know if I can trust HAL in the clutch."
— Tyler (41:36) - "Ultron...he's Anthony Davis. Whoa. He should be at the 5, but he don't want to play center."
— Van (38:43)
Jim Carrey Clone Conspiracy & The Nature of Celebrity Doubles
(44:55–59:34)
Key Points & Insights
- Paris Clone Panic: Jim Carrey’s French-language acceptance speech at the César Awards and altered appearance spark clone rumors on social media.
- Celebrity Conspiracy Lore: Referencing Andy Kaufman, Kaufman’s alter egos, and body doubles, as well as Melania Trump’s ‘double’ sightings.
- Cloning Hype: Absurdist speculation about celebrity clones being used to destabilize society; harrowing (and hilarious) takes on what real-life cloning could unleash.
- AI + Cloning = Chaos: If you fused advanced AI, robotics, and “flesh,” you could feasibly get a walking, talking Tom Cruise who thinks he’s Tom Cruise.
Notable Quotes
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"That is not Jim Carrey, dog. Energetically. It did not fucking feel like Jim Carrey, bro."
— Van (47:20) -
"Megan...Ultron, he's at four. He's at the four. Because Ultron to me, he perfect at the four."
— Van (38:25) -
"In ten years, we're gonna be like, yo...is that Glen Powell? It's gonna be Gemini Man."
— Van (53:54)
Lucid Score for Jim Carrey Clone
A running gag scoring system (“Lucid”: Legs, Unintentional Comedy, Sinisterness, Intrigue, Danger; 1-4 scale):
- Legs: 4 (“This is going to be a story for him for the rest of his career.”)
- Unintentional Comedy: 4
- Sinister: 2-3
- Intrigue: 3
- Danger: 4 (“They could be cloning celebrities to commit high leverage crimes...”)
- Total: 17/20
Doom Scroll: The Week’s Strangest Stories
(59:35–70:37)
UFO Corner: Missing General
- Retired USAF General (William Neil McCaslin) goes missing in NM — UFO research links; Roswell-adjacent.
- Van spins it as a “Lilandra”/X-Men story: Maybe he just left to marry his cosmic princess.
Bohemian Grove Guestlist Leak
- New supposed attendee list leaks (incl. Charles Koch, Paul Pelosi, Michael Bloomberg, Jimmy Buffett (RIP), Bob Weir, Conan O'Brien, Jim Belushi, Ken Burns).
- Banter about what actually happens there; skepticism about occult rumors—incredulity that Conan O’Brien could be part of a global menace.
Rachel Dolezal Returns
- Resurfaces tweeting about her dating life, “open to a range of complexions,” shares new self-portrait art (“Black and White Cookies”).
- Dips into “red pill/blue pill” Matrix lore—and AI-generated lingerie selfies.
- Jokes about her future dating prospects and inability for any “brother” to be seen out in public with her.
Memorable Moments & Pop Culture Deep Cuts
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On the limits of US power:
“We’re gonna find out the limits of our power projection around the world if we continue to play the game like this.”
– Van (26:21) -
On technology’s dog analogy:
“The relationship between man and dog is the perfect relationship. Right. Dog evolves for man. Man then decides to take care of dog...That really should be our relationship with technology. [...] AI might not do that.”
– Van (31:34) -
On clones and aging:
“How do you age them? If you get the clone now you got a ten year-old Jim Carrey. What the fuck are you gonna do with that?”
– Jason (51:34) -
On cloning pets:
“I was gonna clone my dog. I looked at the dog one day, and he was like, hey, dad...I can’t live without him...So…I might be able to clone two motherfuckers.”
— Van & Jason (52:41–53:08)
Timestamps of Key Segments
- Anthropic/AI DoD Drama: 03:39–13:54
- Semiconductors, Deindustrialization: 13:54–20:29
- Project Hail Mary, Climate, Capital Response: 20:29–23:19
- Killer AI, Nukes, Military Ethics: 26:27–29:45
- Killer Robots Draft: 34:18–43:06
- Jim Carrey Clone & Lucid Score: 44:55–59:34
- Doom Scroll (UFOs, Grove, Dolezal): 59:35–70:37
Tone & Final Thoughts
A signature mix of darkly funny, historically informed, deeply conspiratorial, and irreverent. The breezy banter—especially between Van and Jason—gives gravity to the AI arms race and military-industrial complex while keeping things grounded in pop-cultural references and self-aware skepticism. The podcast invites listeners to entertain wild scenarios from killer robots to celebrity clones with both concern and laughter.
If you only catch one quote:
“If you put [the keys to nukes] in the hands of computers—good fucking luck.”
— Van Lathan (34:18)
This summary preserves the playful, skeptical, and conspiratorial tone while capturing the meat of the episode’s multifaceted discussion. For anyone who missed the show, you get both the context behind headline stories (AI-military, geopolitics, the nature of power) and the wild, “group chat” energy that drives Wait a Second…