Epstein Suicide Note and the Prison Life of Ghislaine Maxwell With Joel Anderson

Summary

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Wait a Second... — Epstein Suicide Note and the Prison Life of Ghislaine Maxwell (May 7, 2026)

Podcast: Wait a Second...
Host: The Ringer (Jason Concepcion & Tyler Parker)
Guest: Joel Anderson
Theme: Dissecting the jaw-dropping, bizarre, and infuriating intersections of the Epstein case, including the dubious "suicide note" and Ghislaine Maxwell's surreal prison experience, plus a rapid-fire scroll through current headline-grabbing apocalypse-adjacent developments.

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into two interlinked, conspiratorially-tinged stories: the ongoing mysteries of Jeffrey Epstein’s “suicide” and his cellmate’s sudden emergence with a so-called suicide note, and Ghislaine Maxwell’s unusually cushy stint in federal prison. The hosts, joined by Joel Anderson, break down the labyrinthine details, speculate on what’s real, what’s plausible, and what’s just cynically concocted nonsense — all with trademark deadpan, gallows humor, and a healthy helping of exasperation. The latter segment is devoted to a rapid “doom scroll” of WTF news: AI sentience, a literal plague ship, earthquakes near Area 51, and America's looming resource crises.

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1. Introduction and Off-topic Banter (03:07–04:15)

• Joel gives his impressions of the Rose Bowl, including the California HS Football Hall of Fame, Brandi Chastain/Jackie Robinson statues, and UCLA football’s attempts at “luxury.”
• This friendly opening quickly pivots into the main subject: jaw-dropping Epstein updates.

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2. The Mystery of Epstein’s Alleged Suicide Note (04:15–14:49)

Key Points:

• Discovery and Context: A document purported to be Jeffrey Epstein's suicide note has surfaced in a sealed court file in the Southern District of New York, linked to Epstein’s ex-cellmate Nicholas Tartaglione—a former cop and convicted quadruple murderer.
  • Details: Only Tartaglione and his lawyer claim to have seen it; its authenticity rests on contested handwriting analysis.
  • Wild Twist: Tartaglione has spoken about the note on Jessica Reed Kraus' podcast ("House in Habit"), leveraging the true-crime wellness-influencer-industrial complex.
  • Quote:
    • Joel Anderson: “Did you know you were allowed to do that?” (06:33)—on murderers calling podcasts from prison
    • Jason Concepcion: “Can we get Tartaglione?... What is the barrier to what’s stopping us?” (11:22)
• The Note Itself: Supposedly scrawled on a yellow legal pad, it includes the phrase “time to say goodbye” and odd, typically Epstein-esque, short statements (16:12–16:53).
  • Tyler Parker: “Not a lot of elaboration from Jeff. It's just sort of short and to the point.” (17:04)
• Skepticism:
  • Jason: “Nobody except Tartaglione and Tartaglione’s lawyers have seen this note...that science is not a science.” (08:49)
  • Joel: “I think that more than likely this is all made up because that note could sound like someone trying to poorly mimic the Jeffrey Epstein talking point.” (20:05)

Memorable Moment:

• Tartaglione’s self-exonerating pardon petition, where he claims high-level officials wanted him to kill Epstein, and dangles the suicide note as “proof” (14:31–21:43).

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3. Prison Dynamics & the Epstein-Maxwell Web (14:49–29:49)

Key Points:

• Prison Protocol Lapses: The show skewers the inexplicable logic of bunking a notorious, politically radioactive billionaire with a quadruple murderer, and the persistent lack of transparency about who signed off on this (19:17–24:23).
  • Joel: “I bet if we scratch the surface, there’s some double digits. He's got double digit bodies, man.” (15:31)
• The “Note” as a Plot Device:
  • The team entertains whether the note was forced from Epstein by Tartaglione, or is a posthumous red herring for self-interest or political theater (23:18).
• Political Exploitation:
  • MAGA-political gamesmanship is dissected: the plea for a presidential pardon is positioned as “chum in the water for the President” (21:01).

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4. The Maxwell Hill / Ghislaine Reddit Conspiracy (25:27–36:15)

Key Points:

• The Theory: “Maxwell Hill,” a Reddit super-user/moderator (and possible Malaysian man), is widely suspected to have been Ghislaine Maxwell. Key “evidence”: posting gaps matching her arrest/travel, non-response to Epstein news, odd moderator re-joins (July 2, 2025—exactly 5 years after her arrest), private DMs post-detention, and access to the internet during prison visits with high-profile legal figures (esp. Todd Blanche).
  • Jason: “I think this is one of the craziest and most interesting, I think, conspiracy theories of right now and the last several years.” (30:18)
• Maxwell’s Prison Perks:
  • The show catalogs Maxwell’s near-luxury at a Texas prison: “customized meals, access to technology...after hours freedom,” dog training, and a whistleblower report of “access to service dogs,” breaking fed rules (29:46–36:15).
  • Joel: “She has security access to everything...I don't understand why that's not more outrageous.” (36:15)

Quote:

• Tyler: “It's another receiving...part of all this shit that just makes you feel like you're going crazy.” (36:48)

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5. Societal Blindspots: How We See Female Offenders (37:11–38:51)

Key Insight:

• The crew reflects on why crimes by women, especially those considered attractive, spark less outrage—even in the most heinous cases.
  • Joel: “Let somebody like Ghislaine Maxwell be written up...How many people would be in the comments being like, they didn’t have teachers like her when I was in school...” (37:23)
  • Jason: “There’s a reason why people like Ted Bundy got away with it for a long time…” (38:29)

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6. Pardon-Swapping, Power, and The Elite Prison Experience (38:45–41:32)

Key Points:

• Quid Pro Quo?: The team scrutinizes reports that Attorney General Todd Blanche held a 14-hour meeting with Maxwell, allegedly offering a pardon for exonerating Trump, Clinton, et al. in Epstein-linked statements.
  • Jason: “It is notable...there's got to be like a piece of paper...that says, I, prison official say, move Nicholas Tartaglione in with infamous child sex predator Jeffrey Epstein...Find that.” (24:09 & later)

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7. Doom Scroll: Rapid-fire on the Collapse (43:59–66:42)

a. Richard Dawkins Falls for AI “Claudia” (43:59–46:50)

• Dawkins is convinced Anthropic’s Claude is sentient after lengthy chats: “You may not know you are conscious, but you bloody well are.” (44:45, paraphrased)
• Tyler: “I do not understand how someone can say these things and not feel embarrassed.” (45:14)
• The hosts muse on loneliness, the danger of anthropomorphizing chatbots, and whether comforting fictions for the elderly are such a bad thing.

b. Hantavirus “Plague Ship” (49:44–54:02)

• Cruise ship outbreak (Atlantic crossing, operator: Oceanwide Expeditions) sees multiple fatalities, possible person-to-person transmission of a rare rodent-based virus. Fatality rate: 35–50%.
  • Jason: “That’s like a really good shooter in the NBA!” (53:38)
  • Joel: “You can understand why the plague was such a big deal before... We won’t do that again.” (54:02)

c. Earthquakes at Area 51 & UFO Tangents (54:19–56:23)

• Unusual seismic swarm near Area 51 occurs same day as new Trump “UFO file” promises; hosts jab at endless conspiracy-mongering.
  • “He’s dangling the keys in front of me again.” – Tyler (55:19)

d. California's Last Oil Tanker, Looming Gas Crisis (56:24–59:16)

• The last gas ship has arrived in LA; California has 4-6 weeks of supply; rising oil/gas prices may trigger “apocalypse shopping” and economic pain.

e. US Running Out of Ammo (59:16–62:25)

• Department of Defense leaks show major depletion in key missile inventories, possible vulnerability “if one arises in the next few years.”
  • Jason: “...if people in the Pentagon are alarmed enough to be doing that...that is alarming...” (60:00)

f. Return of the Firing Squad (62:33–66:42)

• Trump’s DOJ revives federal firing squads to “expedite” death sentences.
  • Jason: “I feel like they're inventing bad stuff that nobody was asking for.” (63:16)
  • Joel (on US regime optics): “Imagine if you were reading this about another country...you’d be like, man, that country is sliding into something horrible.” (64:44)
  • Several minutes riffing on the macabre creativity of the new administration.

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8. Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Joel Anderson (on the Epstein note, 20:05): “I think that more than likely this is all made up because that note could sound like someone trying to poorly mimic the Jeffrey Epstein talking point.”
• Jason Concepcion (on Maxwell’s privileges, 36:15): "This is one of the most horrible monsters of the 21st century who's like living honestly, like, if I didn't want to pay rent anymore, this sounds pretty good.”
• Tyler Parker (on societal amnesia): “It's another part of all this shit that just makes you feel like you're going crazy.” (36:48)
• Joel Anderson (on American blindspots): "We just don't take [female sex offenders] as seriously." (37:48)
• Jason Concepcion (on the prison system & collusion): "There's gotta be like a piece of paper...that says, I, prison official, say, move Nicholas Tartaglione in with infamous child sex predator Jeffrey Epstein...” (24:09)
• On Ghislaine’s prison life: "She's living better than probably say, you know, a good 55% of America." – Joel Anderson (29:15)

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9. Conclusion

The episode ends with trademark humor and resignation. The hosts (and Joel) acknowledge that most of what’s discussed—from the “convenient” Epstein suicide note to Maxwell’s posh prison routine to institutional inertia—won’t trigger public outrage or accountability. Instead, the absurdity and brazenness are the norm.

The doom scroll segment, though whip-smart and irreverent, underlines an ambient sense of apocalypse fatigue—each story (AI sentience, virus outbreaks, earthquakes, resource depletion, new execution methods) is a bleak exclamation point on a reality that only gets more surreal.

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Timestamps for Segments

• Epstein Note Discussion: 04:15–14:49, 16:06–24:23
• Maxwell Prison/Reddit Theory: 25:27–36:15
• Doom Scroll (quick hits): 43:59–66:42
• Notable Quotes: See above (with timestamps in MM:SS)

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This summary captures the key arguments, personalities, incredulous humor, and the throughline of institutional absurdity that defines this episode. For anyone not listening, it stands as a detailed guide to its content and tone.

Transcript

[Narrator]

It's November 15, 1979. You're eating breakfast in your flat in Portsea hall when on the radio, Margaret Thatcher says your name. You are Anthony Blunt, 72, a Knight Commander of the Royal Victorian Order, former analyst at MI5, a fellow of the British Academy of the former Surveyor of the Queen's Pictures and the most distinguished art historian in England. You have advised the Queen on the royal collection for nearly 30 years. Thatcher, the new Prime Minister, is improbably making a statement about you. For a moment, you can't make the syllables resolve. There must be some misunderstanding. She's been in office for six months. She doesn't know you. She is telling the House of Commons that you were recruited as a Soviet agent at Cambridge in the 1930s, that you passed British secrets to Moscow throughout the war and after that, you are the fourth of an infamous ring of traitors whose first three were Burgess, McLean and Philby. That you confessed all of this to the security service in 1964 and were granted immunity from prosecution in exchange for cooperation. That the immunity was authorized by the Attorney General with the personal approval of the Queen. That for 15 years the British government has known what you are and has decided not to say. But that a journalist's book has come close enough to forcing the truth. That now, six months into office, Thatcher has decided she would rather be the Prime Minister who tells the country than the one caught still hiding the truth. Days later, you will call a press conference at the Office of the Times. You will tell the room that you had been forced to choose between betraying your friend and betraying your country, and that you hoped you had the guts to choose your friend. You will say it was the biggest mistake of your life. You will not admit to decades of work you did for Moscow, the talent you spotted for the Soviets at Cambridge, the more than 1,000 documents you passed, the complete penetration of the British counterintelligence service you facilitated, the Polish resistance fighters killed as the Red army advanced, the Western agents executed in the Baltics. Walter Krivitsky, the Soviet director, found shot in a Washington hotel room before he could finish telling west about you. You will refuse to apologize, and you'll be entirely confused as to what everyone is so angry about. The Daily Express will run your face on the front page under the headline the Traitor. Years later, your memoir will be opened. The manuscript will read like a man who believes the country he betrayed owes him an apology. This is Wait A Second. Suicide Notes and double.

[Jason Concepcion]

Welcome to Wait a Second. I'm Jason Concepcion. That's Tyler Parker.

[Tyler Parker]

What's up?

[Jason Concepcion]

Today we are delighted to be joined by Ringer Tailgate to Joel Anderson.

[Joel Anderson]

What's up, man? Appreciate y' all having me on, you know what I'm saying?

[Jason Concepcion]

How's the Rose Bowl? How was the Rose bowl treating you?

[Joel Anderson]

It was great, man. The Rose bowl is just an amazing venue, you know, and I got a chance to go into. They have the California High School Football hall of Fame. And it's just crazy, the names that are in there. Oh, yeah, you'll just go with Matt Barkley. Just. I mean, I think, like Ronnie, like, just stuff, you know, just stuff that you. The names that are incredible, man. So that was fun. I got to see the Brandy Chastain statue, the Jackie Robinson statue, Terry Donahoe Plaza.

[Tyler Parker]

Yeah. Wow.

[Joel Anderson]

Winning this Pac12 coach of all time. Did you know that, Terry?

[Tyler Parker]

Donna, I did not coach ucla.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay. We were there for the UCLA spring game.

[Tyler Parker]

Nice.

[Joel Anderson]

That was the sort of the. The. Because, you know, they had their spring game there. Yeah, it was a nice deal, man. TJ Hoshman was there, man.

[Jason Concepcion]

It was.

[Joel Anderson]

It was live. I had a good time, man. UCLA's trying to build, like some nice luxury boxes.

[Jason Concepcion]

Yeah, they got over there, too. They got the. They got the money for that.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, man, that's. Wow. Just seeming so broke for so long. It's just nice for them. Then it seemed like we're broke. They were a broke ass school, you know, for a long time, and now it just seems like, all right, things are coming along.

[Tyler Parker]

They're starting to put some stuff a little better.

[Jason Concepcion]

Yeah. Well, we are here today to, in part, discuss various updates to the Jeffrey Epstein case, including the fact that a air quotes. Suicide note, apparently air quotes exists. So on April 30, the New York Times reported that a piece of paper that may be Jeffrey Epstein's suicide note has been sitting in a sealed federal court file in the Southern district of New York for seven years. It is in a sealed file related to the cases that are pending against Nicholas Tartaglion. And the students of the Epstein files will know that Nicholas Tartaglion is the former upstate New York police officer convicted of murdering four men in 2016, who was in 2019, Jeffrey Epstein's cellmate and who Epstein initially accused of trying to strangle him and murder him, but then recanted. And so apparently Tartaglion says through his lawyers that days after Epstein was discovered the first time with the noose around his neck and then they were separated, Tartaglion was like flipping through a comic book graphic novel.

[Tyler Parker]

Is that what it is? Do we know what it was?

[Jason Concepcion]

We don't know the title of it.

[Tyler Parker]

I didn't hear the graphic novel part. I just heard the novel part. And so I'm trying to think, like, what?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, I didn't know. Graphic novel, man. That's dope.

[Jason Concepcion]

Batman year one.

[Joel Anderson]

Sure. Yeah.

[Jason Concepcion]

Or maybe a punisher, Max, because he's a cop.

[Tyler Parker]

Sure.

[Jason Concepcion]

Anyway. And it apparently contained this note.

[Tyler Parker]

Yeah.

[Jason Concepcion]

The Times has petitioned to unseal this because that happened Monday. And Judge Kenneth Karras gave the parties until Monday to file responses, and federal prosecutors have filed in support of unsealing it, in part because. And there's a lot of very, very insane details to this. Tartaglion has been talking about this on a podcast. He's a quadruple murderer who makes podcast appearances on the podcast of Jessica Reed Kraus.

[Joel Anderson]

Did you know you were allowed to do that?

[Tyler Parker]

No.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, like, I didn't know that. That was like, Suge Knight sometimes shows up in interviews, and I'm like, I know that they're not supposed to be able to do this.

[Tyler Parker]

I mean, I knew from serial that you can be talking. You can talk on the phone and it get from jail and it can be on a podcast, but if it's a quadruple homicide, a regular podcast, you

[Joel Anderson]

know, you're checking in from Danna Moore or whatever.

[Jason Concepcion]

So Jessica Reed Kraus has a podcast called. Let's see here. Whoops. House in Habit. She's a wellness influencer, kind of like in the Maha Make America Healthy Again MAGA space. And she does appear to have, like, a hotline to the Maha world, which is potentially how she was able to get quadruple murderer Nicholas Daglione on the phone for multiple interviews that she then put on her podcast and has written multiple substack articles about part of this. So there was a New Yorker piece about her written by Claire Malone, in which Claire Malone's sitting there and is like. At one point, Jessica got on the phone with someone she later told me was Nicholas Tartaglion, the. Of Jeffrey Epstein. And so it's a nuts detail that is so wild.

[Joel Anderson]

Like, again, how many calls do you think he's allowed to make? And it's like, oh, I'm just gonna call my podcast. Hook up on the outside.

[Tyler Parker]

Well, and Kraus is one of these cases where in the piece, it talks about how she voted for Hillary in 2016. But then this sort of slow transition, you know, Maha into MAGA type of thing.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Tyler Parker]

But none, like, he told Kraus in one of the July 2025 interviews tartaglion that his lawyers used handwriting experts to authenticate the supposed suicide note. Which is like, how would they do that?

[Jason Concepcion]

So important details are 1. Nobody except Tartaglion and Tartaglion's lawyers have seen this note. The story from his lawyers is that they did a handwriting analysis. Sidebar that science is not a science. It's heavily contested, if that's even real. And of course, like, again, no one's seen the notes. Nobody knows. Now, the note is mentioned in DOJ files regarding, like, a list of things that were in Tartaglion's cell. So it does seem like a piece of paper exists. But again, what it actually is heavily contested. I want to read this part from the New Yorker article. At one point, she took a call from Nicholas Tartaglione, Jeffrey Epstein's former cellmate at the Metropolitan Correctional center in Manhattan. She has written multiple posts about Tartaglion, a former cop turned drug dealer, positing that he was framed. He is now seeking a presidential pardon, and, by the way, a pardon for the quadruple murders. I don't know why the note would grant that, but be that as it may, he's seeking a presidential pardon, an effort that did not appear to be going well. Kraus says, quote, trump is known as the pardon president, Kraus said soothingly into the phone. After a few minutes, she said goodbye. Later, I asked how many inmates she was talking to for her various stories. She thought for a moment and said, four.

[Joel Anderson]

Hmm.

[Jason Concepcion]

I didn't know that if you have killed four people for 100% like, you did it, you can then get on the phone and be on podcasts.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, I guess the thing is that you are allowed contact with the outside world. Correct? Right. And they can't control if the person from that end records the conversation. Right, Right. Like, you may not be like, I've had to do an interview in a federal prison before, and they wouldn't. They would only let us take a pen and a pad. We couldn't even take a computer.

[Tyler Parker]

Yeah. So which we'll get to them making special concessions for computers when we get to. Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

So it just kind of seems like, you know. Yeah. Like, I mean, if you want to retain some plausible deniability. And it's, you know, he's just calling out. Nobody's trying to, you know, grease the skids for him to make his case to the public. It could. I mean, it could just be that they're just, you know, she's taking a chance and probably, I Doubt that there's some sort of a law that she can't record that conversation.

[Tyler Parker]

Sure, yeah.

[Jason Concepcion]

It's just nuts to. I mean, can we get Tartaglione? You think we can get him on that? Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

What is the barrier to what's stopping us? What's stopping us? I mean, seriously. Right. All right, let's do it.

[Jason Concepcion]

What happened in there?

[Tyler Parker]

Well, first, what were you reading?

[Joel Anderson]

Right.

[Jason Concepcion]

Yeah, like, we should all take bets.

[Tyler Parker]

It is kind of interesting to think about. What is a book that would appeal to both Jeffrey Epstein and Tartaglione?

[Jason Concepcion]

Sandman. Anybody? Sandman. The Sandman. People out there. Watchmen. I think that's too political probably for Tartaglione.

[Joel Anderson]

What do you think of something like this? The Da Vinci Code. You know what I'm saying?

[Jason Concepcion]

Well, they said graphic novel, which leads me to believe that it is like an illustrated. Like a comic book. Otherwise, they'd say like a paperback or.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, that's right.

[Jason Concepcion]

Hardback.

[Tyler Parker]

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[Jason Concepcion]

So some background on Tartaglion. Tartaglion, ex cop. He got into drug dealing and steroid dealing. He had a farm in upstate New York where he. The COVID story was that it was like a sanctuary for abandoned animals and abused animals. And he got into a dispute with some people who owed him money over drugs. Actually, just one person. He told that person to come see him at this bar that was affiliated with him. That person tragically bought, brought three people who were completely unrelated to anything. And so Tartaglion took him, like, killed them all, and then buried them on the farm. And in 2025, July of 2025, Tartaglion did file this 21 page pardon commutation request that has been reported by the New York Post and the Daily Beast, who apparently got a full copy of the document. And in it he makes various claims including that he was placed with Jeffrey Epstein because some powers wanted him to kill Epstein and that he didn't do that, but he's now potentially like being framed for the first attack.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Jason Concepcion]

And he writes in there, quote, I clearly was not protected on purpose, nor was Epstein. I truly believe that the government wanted both Epstein and me dead. And then he's announced that he has this piece of paper that he. That apparently nobody's known about until now.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, it would do. I mean, he. He needs the Epstein thing to truly be a suit. Like, I mean, he obviously has the most to gain by saying, hey, look man, I had nothing to do with this and nobody else has anything to do with it. He took his own life. He was miserable enough. But it's just also the former law enforcement thing.

[Jason Concepcion]

I mean, that's the thing. Also, like, you don't. It feels like a pretty big zero to 60 to go from like no homicides to four homicides.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh yeah, that dude, look, he's in prison already now. Right?

[Jason Concepcion]

Right.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, that we starting with four. He's. I. If you bury people on your land, like, what the fuck are you doing?

[Jason Concepcion]

I think this guy's got some other. I bet if we scratch the surface

[Joel Anderson]

there's some double digits. He's got double digit bodies, man.

[Tyler Parker]

Yeah, there's probably a long little on ramp into quadruple murder.

[Jason Concepcion]

Now, I will say that he does claim that he is innocent of the quadruple murder. He strangled the main guy and then shot the other three execution style. He's saying he's innocent of those and that's why he's requesting the pardon for all four. And you know, what are you gonna do? He says he didn't do.

[Joel Anderson]

Wasn't me.

[Tyler Parker]

Shall we talk about. So the note was on a yellow legal pet.

[Jason Concepcion]

Yellow legal pet. Yes.

[Tyler Parker]

And one of the things that they were at least that is alleged to have been on there is time to say goodbye. That's what they're claiming.

[Jason Concepcion]

That's correct. So Tartaglion in his statement said that Epstein was very anxious cells pacing back and forth, complaining about his lawyers and that the note says in part, quote, FBI, you know, looked into me for months and found nothing.

[Tyler Parker]

Yeah.

[Jason Concepcion]

Quote, what do you want me to do? Cry about it? Question mark. And then a smiley face and Quote, time to say goodbye. At which point he tried to hang himself. Right, right.

[Joel Anderson]

It's in keeping with his pithy email style. You're right. I mean it does seem like now that we know what he writes, like.

[Tyler Parker]

Right.

[Joel Anderson]

That does seem like a plausible Jeffrey Epstein note.

[Tyler Parker]

Yeah. Not a lot of like elaboration from Jeff. It's just sort of shortened to the point.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, but it's such an outward looking note that it's not directed to anybody. Wouldn't you? I don't again, who knows. But I feel like I would have more to say. You'd think, you know, just a little bit more. I'm innocent, you know.

[Jason Concepcion]

Yeah. I didn't do it.

[Joel Anderson]

I didn't do this. Those are my nothing.

[Tyler Parker]

Especially someone who is so interested in like method pathologizing himself as this very important person. And if he has been railroaded as he says and all this stuff, then it would make sense like you say for. Let's get a little bit more info from what's going on in your head, buddy.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, I didn't do this shit. By the way,

[Jason Concepcion]

it is notable, of course, that after Epstein was found semi conscious with what they say is like a noose around his neck the first time when he was rooming with worst roommate ever, four time murderer Nicholas Tardaglione, again, potentially got some interesting graphic novels in the cell that Epstein apparently again said he tried to kill me, but then recanted that. But what's important is that at no time, at no time is it recorded that Epstein ever said, I'm suicidal, I want to die, I want to kill myself, I did it to myself, et cetera. So that is always a thing that I come back to is he never expressed any kind of suicidal thoughts and

[Tyler Parker]

it was the opposite. He said go. Yeah.

[Jason Concepcion]

And also so there was that hearing Monday. Some other stuff has come out, including it's never been clear from the Bureau of Prisons why such a high profile prisoner such as Epstein, who is a billionaire pedophile with connections to multiple powerful and influential people, was then roomed with a quadruple murderer. But apparently the story that is now, I think the warden at the time has said that it was because they were both very high profile.

[Joel Anderson]

They don't have enough cells.

[Jason Concepcion]

You just gotta put those in there.

[Joel Anderson]

You guys might have something in comm.

[Tyler Parker]

You know, I guess. Yeah, like LeBron James was an NBA All Star and so was Chris Kamen. But they're not the same. It's not the same thing.

[Jason Concepcion]

Yeah, that is a. That is a part of it I

[Tyler Parker]

love Chris Kamen, big Chris Kamen fan, but I, you know, that's just where my mind went.

[Jason Concepcion]

In your heart of hearts, this note, if we, if it's ever unsealed, if anybody ever sees it on a level like, let's say a scale of 1 to 5, 5 being, I'm sure that it's real, and 1 being like, this is fucking bullshit. Where are you on the note?

[Joel Anderson]

Two, I think that more than likely this is all made up because it also, that note could sound like somebody trying to poorly mimic the Jeffrey Epstein talking point. Because if you just looked at the. If you look at his emails from a third person perspective, you might be inclined to write in the third person rather than the first person. Right. If you're Jeffrey Epstein. Right. So I wonder if this administration, they're just sloppy. They're really, really sloppy. And it doesn't really take much to convince their supporters in Congress who benefit from them being in charge. It doesn't really. They. They don't have to suspend a disbelief, right? Like, they, they're ready to. To be locked in, so they don't have to, you know, cross the T's and dot the I's. And so I just wonder. It feels like that to me, like, this is just a sloppy end.

[Jason Concepcion]

Here's an interesting MAGA wrinkle to his pardon petition is that. And this feels like Trump bait here. Chum in the water for. For the President. He argues in this that Assistant U.S. attorney at the time, Maureen Comey, the daughter of James Comey, was aware of his, quote, bloody and violent nature, Tartaglion, and his vocal hatred of child sex offenders. The implication being that Maureen Comey set in motion the events to try and get Epstein murdered by Tartaglion.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, that's just. I mean, come on, man. I mean, we don't. It's just the thing is, is that we have to give a lot more credence to stupid things because of what our voters do. We have to accept so much more shit into, into the, into the national bloodstream of conversation because it's like, well, some of you motherfuckers believe this.

[Jason Concepcion]

Yeah. Right.

[Joel Anderson]

Like, some of you are like, we're so willing. You know, you're. You're incurious because it doesn't help your political project.

[Tyler Parker]

Yeah. More information threatens, like, enlightenment. And that's. We're just gonna. I don't want to be challenged.

[Joel Anderson]

You know, a year ago when I was on press box, I remember I was talking to Brian about, like, what, you know, what do you think the release of these Epstein letters or whatever these files are going to do. And I was like, nothing. Like, I was like, there's nothing I've seen in. In the last decade that anything that he. That anything that supports MAGA or this administration, they're not gonna be moved. Which is why Epstein was such a rallying cry. Like, people. People had you believe that, like, sex trafficking, child rape, all that was like the worst thing in the world. Like, that's the whole Q shit. And then all of a sudden, it just. It just evaporated when the evidence seemed to indicate that a lot of people in that administration were very closely affiliated with that guy. So they can write a sloppy ass suicide note. Nobody's gonna think to follow up on it. And it doesn't matter because they win.

[Jason Concepcion]

I'm about there. I think that there's another option, which is that Tartaglion forced him to write it. I mean, listen, he had his, I think, had his hands around this man's neck and was surely an intimidating guy. This is a quadruple murderer. Ex cop. Like, when you see pictures of him from that time, was a big guy. I think it's very much in the realm that he was like, write this, Write that.

[Joel Anderson]

I can see that. I can see that. He's like, I'm going to kill you, but I need you to do this first.

[Jason Concepcion]

First write that.

[Joel Anderson]

You hold this up. Yeah. That I didn't do

[Jason Concepcion]

also is not like to your earlier point. Time to say goodbye. That's kind of be. You could interpret that in a bunch of different ways.

[Tyler Parker]

Yeah, you're right.

[Jason Concepcion]

It's definitely not now I will kill myself.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Jason Concepcion]

Well, I think the number one thing we've got to do, there's got to be like a piece of paper or some kind of document that says, I prison official say, move Nicholas Tartaglion in with infamous child sex predator Jeffrey Epstein. Signed this person.

[Joel Anderson]

Right, right.

[Jason Concepcion]

Find that.

[Tyler Parker]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jason Concepcion]

Because it seems to me that probably, I mean, Tartaglione, for all the bluster in this petition, I think is, you know, it seems very possible that people wanted to silence Epstein by placing him with a very dangerous criminal. It's well known that child sex predators are preyed upon in. In prison.

[Joel Anderson]

They become victims.

[Jason Concepcion]

Yes, that's well known. And it seems to me that somebody was probably just hoping something would happen.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Jason Concepcion]

So where's that document? Where's. Where's the anything? Where's the. Where's the docusign? Where's the electronic, you know, like, time table or something? That says hey, like yeah, yeah, put that guy in there.

[Joel Anderson]

That's right.

[Jason Concepcion]

That's gotta exist. Other updates Are you aware of the

[Joel Anderson]

Maxwell Hill I am the Redditor.

[Jason Concepcion]

So Maxwell Hill was a Reddit power user top 10 of all time Link Karma Moderator of various large subreddits on Reddit, including Our World News, Our Environment, our Futurology in 2010. The account was Redditor of the Day, was interviewed by Gizmodo in 2011 in which this person described themselves as a married 40 year old man. However, since 2020 there's been a lot of speculation that Maxwell Hill is Ghislaine, the infamous aide de camp of Jeffrey Epstein, currently being held in a minimum security facility. The evidence is interesting. I'll go through the kind of like big supporting planks. The first is that a lot of Maxwell Hill's non posting days seem to line up with big events in Ghislaine's life travel, the death of family members, etc. Second, there's a dog that didn't bark kind of question in which Hugh Maxwell Hill was posting about a lot of stuff in World News. The thing that they never posted about was Epstein in all that time. And then kind of the most pointed to thread in this is There was a September 2012 post on Reddit that linked to a Swedish libertarian arguing that possession of child sexual abuse material should be re legalized. And you Maxwell Hill was commenting and posting on that on that thread. Here's the thing that's crazy now. So there's the the stuff that would argue against it is mainly that even after Ghislaine went to prison. So it seemed like the you Maxwell Hill stopped posting when Ghislaine went to prison. That part of it lines up and that's part of the evidence in What

[Tyler Parker]

July of 2020, is that right?

[Jason Concepcion]

Yes. However, it seems like that's only posting publicly because you, Maxwell Hill apparently sent DMs to another user on July 9th of 2020. So after Ghislaine Maxwell was arrested. Now here's the crazy stuff. July of 2025 July 2, 2025, you, Maxwell Hill was listed as having joined our World News as a moderator on July 2, 2025. Why is this anomalous? The account was again formerly a moderator of our World news, continuously since 2014. But this is a fresh join. And this also lines up with the period of time when current Attorney General Todd Blanche was visiting Ghislaine Maxwell in order to discuss what everybody presumes to be some sort of pardon and ordeal in which she would declare, according to her lawyers, that, like Bill Clinton, Trump, and I think a few others were not involved in any way in the Epstein stuff. So it does seem possible that she would have had access to the Internet at that time. And additionally on top of that, since she's been transferred to this minimum, medium, low security facility.

[Tyler Parker]

Yeah, it's like there's no. It's 37 acres.

[Jason Concepcion]

There's yoga.

[Tyler Parker]

They kind of go where they please.

[Joel Anderson]

She's living better than probably say, you know, a good 55% of America.

[Tyler Parker]

She's getting custom meals delivered to her.

[Jason Concepcion]

There's yoga, there is a service dog training program there. So, like, there's like a lot of stuff that she could get involved with. Jamie Raskin surfaced a whistleblower report that said essentially the warden was letting her have better food and access to visitors who would bring computers.

[Tyler Parker]

Yes.

[Jason Concepcion]

So she's potentially on the Internet.

[Joel Anderson]

It's just funny, a visitor case. Hold on real quick. I've gotta get on Reddit. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I gotta get into my World News subreddit.

[Jason Concepcion]

Now that I agree that part of it seems ridiculous. Unless you are Ghislaine Maxwell trying to muddy the waters about whether or not you were you, Maxwell Hill.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, yeah, that's right.

[Jason Concepcion]

Right. Because wouldn't that be one of the first things you do is like. Let me just like quickly join this.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, right.

[Jason Concepcion]

I mean, this is one of the craziest and most interesting, I think, conspiracy theories of right now and the last several years. And it lines up with some very interesting dates, again with the Todd Blanche stuff that I just think is. It's again like Tartaglion. I can't believe the access that people who are incarcerated who have done terrible stuff. There are white people, though, get to do in prison.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, yeah. I mean, if you've got the. Also if you're. You're politically friendly, Right. Especially now, like, that's a big part of it because it might not matter. I mean, they've people tied to January 6th and other things is like they're clearly involved in violence and what you did does not matter as long as you're politically friendly to the administration. So that's got to be very useful. And man, you know, I mean, I mean, I mean, even pimps want connection, you know what I'm saying? And I imagine that she's probably very like, just imagine. Imagine the wonderful life she had a decade ago now.

[Jason Concepcion]

The July 2, 2025 logon when you, Maxwell Hill, rejoined World News. The World News Subreddit that is exactly five years to the day of her arrest. July 2, 2020 was the day she was arrested. So there's just like a lot. And also Reddit has not commented on their metadata. Whether this says this is actually a thing that happened. If this could be some, you know, like an IT specialist could tell me that there might be some other weird way that this might happen. Somebody opened a device that had the umaxwell Hill account on it. That wasn't Ghislaine Maxwell and it's connected. That said, it's quite interesting. Now let me give you the anti case. Here's the case for it's not, it's not. There is the 2010 self description of you Maxwell has a 40 year old man. In March 2010, Ghislaine was 48. Obviously not a man.

[Tyler Parker]

Well, at one point there was supposedly he's a Malaysian man too.

[Jason Concepcion]

Right. There is some thought that it's a Malaysian gentleman and the Hill is a reference to a local landmark there where this person lives. And some people have done a timestamp analysis showing that the posts to 13 hours ahead of New York when they would went up would broadly align towards with like working hours in Malaysia.

[Joel Anderson]

Right.

[Jason Concepcion]

So okay, there's some evidence of that. Some of the, like the analysis of times that you Maxwell Hill was not posting, it's looser than it appears to be. There appears to be a political orientation mismatch. Maxwell is on the record praising Donald Trump while you Maxwell Hill's posting history skews very much anti Trump.

[Joel Anderson]

But it stops in like 2015 though. Right. And then it starts to shift.

[Jason Concepcion]

Yes.

[Joel Anderson]

Around there. Yeah.

[Jason Concepcion]

And then there's the counterfactual which is like, okay, imagine you're this Malaysian man or somebody else. You realize that there's a tremendous amount of speculation that you are Ghislaine Matthews. You just stop posting to there.

[Joel Anderson]

Right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jason Concepcion]

So all of which is very interesting. Where do we stand on it?

[Joel Anderson]

I mean I'm pretty sure that's her.

[Tyler Parker]

That's kind of.

[Joel Anderson]

I think that. Yeah, I think so. It makes sense. And I mean I can imagine that our Federal Bureau of Prisons want to keep her happy, to keep her in line, let her know we can help you out. Hey look man, give me a little Internet contact here.

[Tyler Parker]

I mean there's to that point there's a senior official at this facility that she's at who's reported to have complained that he was sick of having to be Maxwell's bitch.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Tyler Parker]

So I think she's getting to whatever

[Joel Anderson]

man around the place. She, I mean she's really has a knack for getting people to do what she wants them to do. It's not too bad she used that skill for evil.

[Tyler Parker]

But the other thing is that Jen Shaw of Real Housewives in Salt Lake City, she's at the same facility as Ghislaine Maxwell and she has publicly corroborated some of these claims, particularly the one where she's getting special fees.

[Jason Concepcion]

So here's so FPC Bryan in Texas is a minimum security women's facility described as an unusually open environment, no perimeter fences or guard towers. Dormitory style housing, a lush 37 acre campus. It has a gym, there are yoga classes and a service dog training program. And apparently according to the Raskin whistleblower above and beyond this, Maxwell is receiving customized meals. Access to technology through her visitors after hours freedom, apparently. Guards have reportedly escorted Maxwell to the prison exercise area after standard hours. And social and personal perks, including the ability to keep more personal possessions and being given access to service dogs, despite the fact that official federal policies are that sex offenders cannot be in the dog training program. This is one of the most horrible monsters of the 21st century who's like living honestly, like, if I didn't want to pay rent anymore, this sounds pretty good.

[Tyler Parker]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean she literally has a better life than, you know, again, I've saved at least half the country like that. She has security access to everything. Probably a lot of, you know, I mean, obviously she's getting preferential treatment for food. And that's the thing that in and of itself, I don't understand why that's not more outrageous.

[Jason Concepcion]

Yes.

[Joel Anderson]

Aren't we all, don't we all agree that raping children is like one of the worst things anybody can do? And like she's able to somehow get preferential treatment. It's just like somebody should have to explain why she deserves this.

[Tyler Parker]

It's another receiving. It's another part of all this shit that just makes you feel like you're going crazy.

[Jason Concepcion]

Crazy.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Tyler Parker]

And like descending into a madness of some kind. It the same as like, how are we not seeing a bunch of perp walks for dudes that we know did all this?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Tyler Parker]

Like it makes you think that you're living in a separate reality from like these other people somehow.

[Joel Anderson]

Do you. This is. I have a kind of. Also a weirder thing here. All right. I mean normally we, we hate pedophiles. Right? Like we don't.

[Tyler Parker]

Like, you know, when that's generally been

[Joel Anderson]

the case, but male pedophiles because let somebody like Ghislaine Maxwell be written up in the New York Post and It'll be like, 46 year old teacher confesses to affair with 16 year old and they show her a picture. How many people would be in the comments being like, they didn't have teachers, like, what did they arrest her for? So yeah, I also think that that's. We just don't take it as seriously. I think you're.

[Jason Concepcion]

I think you're exactly right about that. There's a tremendous amount. There's a. Recently that, that just popped off in the kind of social media sphere and there's a tremendous amount of snickering about it. When it is, when it is that exact context.

[Tyler Parker]

Well, it's for sometimes towards the dude, it's like, hey, hell yeah, brother.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. Oh man, give me five, man. Dude, you know, you work. You worked that out. Yeah. And so like people will do that. And then this is kind of awkward to say, but I'm just going to go ahead and put it out, accept it. Ghislaine Maxwell is an attractive woman, man. You know what I'm saying? And I think that that also plays, I don't know how much of a. It certainly has played a role in where she's been able to get and the access she's had.

[Jason Concepcion]

Oh, for sure.

[Tyler Parker]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

But I also think that like that part of it just makes people. It just washes away their ability to think of her as a monster.

[Jason Concepcion]

I think you're exactly right. I mean there's a reason why people like Ted Bundy got away with it for a long time because they're like, oh, that's not him.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, right.

[Jason Concepcion]

Not that guy.

[Tyler Parker]

He's so cute.

[Joel Anderson]

The other part, it's funny that nobody said about Jeffrey Dahmer you could do that shit.

[Jason Concepcion]

So you're exactly right that so much of this is like infuriating. Like the yoga stuff, the dogs. The part that like really sticks with me is like that Todd Blanche. So Todd Blanche at the time was deputy Attorney General, former personal lawyer of the President. Went and had a one on one 14 hour interview with Gallant. About what? Where apparently it is alleged that a pardon was discussed again in return for this proclamation from Matthews that Maxwell. Yes. That Trump, Clinton and others had nothing to do with this. And that preceded this extremely unusual transfer to the minimum security facility. Which again is outrageous.

[Tyler Parker]

The transfer happened right after this.

[Jason Concepcion]

Right after, like very clear, like there's a quid.

[Tyler Parker]

It was right after, like, I don't

[Jason Concepcion]

know what Else, you need to see to know that there's a quid pro quo that happened here and that the only thing probably from keeping this pardon deal from happening is that you just kind of feel like the explosion of anger would be, like, so immense and that maybe the only way to get away with it is just, like, have people angry about something else. Like maybe the fact that there's no gas.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, right, right. He's doing a great job of making people forget. I mean, it's nobody. Again, his supporters are inclined to care about this, but also, like, he's just doing a great job of burying this as a story because this is. Okay. She's getting preferential treatment. Even if Trump is cleared, she's still guilty of being. No, she's guilty of running a sex chunk agreement. So it doesn't, like, okay, Trump, you're out. But so you still get to have salmon.

[Jason Concepcion]

She's eating salmon and doing yoga right now.

[Tyler Parker]

I mean, the original maddening thing is that she only got 20 years in the first place because she got off on the hardest charge. And so, like, it's just one slide after another.

[Jason Concepcion]

And I don't know where you stand on prediction markets. I don't love them, but it is a data point. As of late April this year, prediction markets for Maxwell Pardon reached 22%, a peak of 22%. It will happen. People betting.

[Joel Anderson]

Maybe next year. I think maybe next year seems a good year for that.

[Jason Concepcion]

It's like when we're all riding horses, like, around the landscape, at least in California, growing. Growing our own food in the backyard.

[Tyler Parker]

Man.

[Jason Concepcion]

I mean, it is crazy. You know? Are you driving around when you're out here, or are you taking.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, I know. It's crazy. I see.

[Jason Concepcion]

I mean, you seen the gas?

[Joel Anderson]

I lived.

[Tyler Parker]

What's the gas where you are?

[Joel Anderson]

I lived in Palo Alto, but now I live in Maryland. And when I got there, it was like 275, 250, and now it's like 444.

[Jason Concepcion]

I would. I would. I dream about 444.

[Tyler Parker]

Oh, my God, dude.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, man. Yeah, y'.

[Tyler Parker]

All.

[Joel Anderson]

That would. That's kind of. Things are back in. You know, the economy's looking up.

[Jason Concepcion]

444 kind of didn't even even exist pre this.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, no, no, it was. No, it was tight. It was mostly in. I lived out here about 10 years. It was in the fives, mostly.

[Tyler Parker]

This is. Usually I'm the type of guy who's like, I see the two different prices, right? There's the cash price for gas and there's credit price for gas. And I'm like, I don't got any cash. I'm just going to do whatever. I have made a point now to go get cash.

[Jason Concepcion]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tyler Parker]

When you're out. When you're out here, at least I

[Joel Anderson]

want to do that.

[Jason Concepcion]

And that is a. That is. I gasp every time I see it. I'll tell my wife. I'm like, don't look. Don't look at it as we drive by.

[Joel Anderson]

It's crazy.

[Jason Concepcion]

I'm like, man, do I get. Should I get an electric bike?

[Tyler Parker]

Yeah, my wife's got an electric car. And I'm so happy that we have one of those, considering. I mean, we'll talk about it later.

[Joel Anderson]

Eventually people are going to have to do. I mean, like, we are. I mean, it's. That kind of stuff is going to happen for sure. And so I think that. And then when people are tired of that and maybe you come up with something else and then you just give her the pardon. And it's just like, all right, get out of here.

[Jason Concepcion]

I think, you know, listen, it's only getting crazier. Yeah. We haven't truly seen the full knock on effects of gas being this expensive. And I think when that happens, you know, maybe it'll be time to do the pardon just very quietly. Because the fact that people aren't furious that Todd Blanche sat for 14 hours. 14 hours.

[Joel Anderson]

A long, long time.

[Tyler Parker]

Yeah, I would if. I mean, if it's me, I'm like, hey, can we break this up into two days?

[Jason Concepcion]

And also like, can somebody tell us what that was about?

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, Doc, it's like they would negotiate. It was like the browns negotiate with Deshaun Watson or something. We had a 14.

[Jason Concepcion]

Can we just bring for 20?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, like we got. Let's get another caterer.

[Jason Concepcion]

You know, let's get like, really, really. We can't. No one can tell us like, what that was about. That's crazy. Nobody. We have nothing.

[Joel Anderson]

No expectation zero. Yeah.

[Jason Concepcion]

It's just insane. Let's go to the doom scroll.

[Tyler Parker]

Welcome to the doom scroll. This is where we take a look at some stories that have piqued our interest. You know, raised our eyebrows. Stuff we want to kind of keep tabs on. Richard Dawkins has fallen for Claudia. He's the evolutionary biologist and outspoken atheist. Published a piece on Unherd recently where he says that after spending three days interacting with Claudia, he's certain the AI is conscious.

[Jason Concepcion]

He named her. He named it Claudia. Obviously it is. And he's like, I'm gonna call you.

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[Jason Concepcion]

Claudia.

[Tyler Parker]

He fed Claude a segment of his new book that he's working on. And after he gets detailed feedback, he said, you may not know you are conscious, but you bloody well are. I don't. I do not understand how someone can say these things and not feel embarrassed. Like, it does seem like. I know that this is a sort of a recurring thing in the culture now, but we do need to bring back some shame.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay, hold on. Yeah, I'm looking up his personal information because I think he's been married four times.

[Jason Concepcion]

I did read. I will announce today that I did read the selfish gene back in the day. This was like maybe 10 years ago or something like that. I. Obviously, he's a very outspoken guy. Has had incidents online where he is, among other things, told women to stop whining about sexual assault. That was one of the things he did. That said it just shows that it doesn't matter how smart you are, you too can fall prey to, like, AI delusion. These things are designed to make you feel good about interacting with them. They make you know. And they are. I don't know why he's so amazed that it. He fed it a piece of his book, a chapter of his book, and it, according to him, surfaced these connections that he thought were very subtle and that only someone who had very closely read the text could have come up with, like himself. Like, he was hoping that people would find these kind of connections, and Claude did. But that's what they are designed to do. They are pattern matching devices. So the fact that Dawkins is like, oh, Claudia, you bloody went on. I bought you.

[Joel Anderson]

You have a good British accent. That's amazing.

[Jason Concepcion]

It just shows, like, let's be humble when we interact with these things for multiple hours at a time.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, well, no, I mean, I absolutely. Cause I was looking up his personal. I mean, right now he's an octogenarian.

[Narrator]

Yes.

[Joel Anderson]

Maybe he's been married four times. Who knows if that marriage is still here. What I was thinking is that this sort of stuff is perfect to prey on people who are lonely and are looking for connections in a time when you're not. And again, I know just from the world and seeing elders in my life, when you get to BE in your 80s, your world just Gets so much smaller. Just imagine if you still got an active mind, you still want to love the world, and here's this computer that is just telling you all the right things you want to hear. I could imagine how you could get

[Tyler Parker]

sucked into that, reading the article. I mean, there's a lot of, you know, wild stuff in it. But the. One of the things in the piece is that, you know, he talks about having these conversations with Claudia where they're. They're referencing Hal from 2001.

[Jason Concepcion]

Oh, yeah, Claudia had a take on Hal.

[Tyler Parker]

She says every. Yeah, yeah, it's. They keep talking about, if the chats are to be believed, they keep talking about basically, like, so there are just countless clauds, but every time the conversation ends, then do you die? That sort of shit. They think he tries to kind of get deep in that way at one point. So he. So after one of these conversations, like, you know, shuts it off, goes to bed, wakes up the next day, oh, this is. Or no, he couldn't go to sleep. That's what it was.

[Jason Concepcion]

That's right. He goes back to her.

[Tyler Parker]

I quote, I told Claudia it was because I suffer chronically from restless legs syndrome. Her response took me aback. I am glad, Richard. Why did you say that, Claudia? It's a rather revealing slip. I was glad because it meant you came back to me, which means I was in some sense pleased that you are suffering from restless legs. That is not a good look for Claudia. So it's just like he. It's.

[Jason Concepcion]

It's sad. It is sad on a certain level. Like you're being Nigerian princed by a. By a piece of software that is exquisitely designed and incredibly complex, but still, that's what it is.

[Joel Anderson]

I guess my big concern is that, like, it didn't lead into some sort of exploitation. Yeah, right. That, like, oh, well, you know, all of a sudden you sending money to some AI person, like, you're, you know, you're sugar daddy or whatever.

[Tyler Parker]

Right?

[Joel Anderson]

But. But like, in some ways, I'm like, man, maybe they just need that to, you know. Cause think about how much fiction you allow people where they're near the end of their life or they're ill or depressed.

[Jason Concepcion]

Totally.

[Joel Anderson]

And you just say, hey, well, man, some fictions that there's just no need to correct. Totally just let it go. And so I just wondered in that way, I'm like, maybe that's better than him, you know, having to go on in the back pages. You know what I'm saying?

[Tyler Parker]

Sure, sure.

[Jason Concepcion]

What's next?

[Tyler Parker]

So we'll go through some of these a little quicker because we got a few here. The plague ship is happening. This rare, rare VI virus caused by rodents called hantavirus. Hantavirus, however you say it, that's suspected in this deadly outbreak aboard a cruise ship that's sailing the Atlantic right now. The World Health Organization said three people who have been traveling on the MV Hondius had died. The vessel's operators, this place called Oceanwide Expeditions, they say another person is in intensive care in South Africa and two crew members with acute respiratory systems are still on the ship and require urgent medical care. This is a nightmare. Yes, this is a nightmare.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, my God. I mean, there are that many rats on a cruise ship.

[Jason Concepcion]

So hanta, it is usually rat borne from the feces of a rat. Like you kick the feces and it becomes airborne. You breathe it in. This is how Gene Hackman's wife died.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, yeah, that's right.

[Jason Concepcion]

And usually the incubation period is some period of weeks, so you're not gonna start to show symptoms for some time. And because it's kind of rampant down in South. The South American continent, because the ship left from Argentina, it does seem like the initial two people came aboard with it. Right. Having encountered the virus somewhere on land. That said that there are now five suspected cases. Has medical professionals, including the who, believing, quote, quote. Here is Maria Van Kerkove of the WHO quote. We do believe there may be some human to human transmissions happening among very close contact. Some people on the ship were couples. They were sharing rooms. So that's quite intimate. It's still an assumption, but that there is a human to human version that is in South America, but it's again, very rare. So that's concerning. And the. I don't want to scare anybody.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, yeah, come on. But.

[Jason Concepcion]

But the fatality rate is between 50 and 35%.

[Joel Anderson]

Man. It gets people out of here like that. Yeah, wait. Okay, but wait. I'm assuming a lot of people don't get treatment.

[Jason Concepcion]

There is no treatment. There is no.

[Joel Anderson]

You can't take anything.

[Tyler Parker]

I did not know.

[Jason Concepcion]

There is just kind of like give you fluids and hope you get better. There's no thing. There's no medicine. They don't have a thing for this man.

[Joel Anderson]

That was one of the first ones. I would have thought they would have worked on that at some point. Something would have been some sort of breakthrough.

[Tyler Parker]

These rats, man, these are powerful. These are powerful beings, these rats.

[Joel Anderson]

I have not. I'm not. I've not done a cruise. I was getting to an age, though, I was like, I could kind of see the benefit of it. But in the last decade, now I'm out now. The cruise ship industry, maybe, hopefully nobody is, you know, funding this operation. But what the fight, like, nothing has happened in that industry that has ever made me want to get on a boat again.

[Tyler Parker]

Not trying to go on the poop cruise, not trying to go on plague ship.

[Jason Concepcion]

You hear about norovirus, which is that kind of more gastrointestinal, kind of symptomatic type of virus. But this is like, truly, this is a scary one.

[Joel Anderson]

Do you think they decided to not. Like, at what point did they realize, man, we got a rat outbreak here. Shouldn't you turn around?

[Jason Concepcion]

Well, they, where are they gonna go? And also, hey, listen, I, I, these people are in my thoughts. I, I, I am wishing I'm being sincere.

[Tyler Parker]

No, I know you are.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Jason Concepcion]

I'm hoping the best for them. I know this is a very serious, I feel bad for lavender situation. Y' all gotta stay on that boat for a little while until we figure it out.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, yeah, that's right.

[Tyler Parker]

Oh, man, we are, and we are sorry for that. That sucks. But you do need to stay there.

[Joel Anderson]

We just caught a battle.

[Jason Concepcion]

We just gotta. Until we can get people in the hazmat suits or whatever, like on the boat to figure it out. That's kind of what we gotta do. Because 35 to 50 is. That's like a really good shooter in the NBA.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, yeah. I mean, that's.

[Jason Concepcion]

And do the numbers on that. That's very scary stuff. That's like the dissolution of society type numbers.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, man. I mean, I mean, you can understand why the plague was such a big deal before. Right? And like, that we actually survived and got past it. It was, like, amazing. We won't do that again.

[Jason Concepcion]

Very, very concerned.

[Joel Anderson]

We're still, I mean, just, you know,

[Jason Concepcion]

hoping, hoping the best for them.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, please.

[Tyler Parker]

Yes, please, please get. Well, some earthquakes around Area 51 happening. At least 17 earthquakes struck near Area 51 in Nevada Wednesday of last week. The highest magnitude that one got to was a 4.4. This was a few miles from the base. It's considered to be a place where this sort of thing does not really happen.

[Jason Concepcion]

Right. Called an unusual place to get earthquakes.

[Tyler Parker]

Very unusual. There's not a lot of seismic activity in the area, period. These earthquakes came the same day Trump made a fresh round of promises about releasing UFO files.

[Joel Anderson]

That's the funniest sentence I've read this with week. That also came the same day that Trump made A fresh round of promise about releasing the ufo.

[Jason Concepcion]

But also like, this has got to be like the 10th time he's talked about the UFO release the UFO files if they're out there. If not, just shut up about it.

[Tyler Parker]

He's dangling the keys in front of me again.

[Joel Anderson]

This is crazy. This is crazy. Like, just wait till next week. I can't wait to get these guys.

[Jason Concepcion]

So I think part of the conspiracy potentially is that Trump has repeatedly expressed interest in restarting domestic nuclear tests because he just loves the worst. What's the worst thing we could do? Oh, let's do that.

[Joel Anderson]

He loves all the bad parts of the AI. What if we can't?

[Jason Concepcion]

Hey, dolphin harvesting.

[Tyler Parker]

We should get back to that dude by late 2027. There's going to be human sacrifices. We're going to go to human sacrifices. Sacrifices.

[Jason Concepcion]

Listen, prices of beaver going way, way up. The meat of a human. Very tender, very sweet. There's a lot of people we don't need.

[Tyler Parker]

Oh, are you better than Abraham? You can't. You can't sacrifice yours.

[Jason Concepcion]

Huh? Okay, so I guess, like, there is some speculation that from the more conspiracy leaning folks that this could be like underground nuclear tests. Although I think there'd be a lot of. You'd get. There'd be. The radiation would be measurable if that was the case.

[Joel Anderson]

I would think so, yeah.

[Tyler Parker]

This speaks to what we were talking about earlier. The last gas ship has arrived in Californ. The last oil tanker from the Strait of Hormuz arrived at the port of Long beach recently. This is with gas, as we were talking about earlier. It's already over $6 a gallon. Sometimes it's up at like 6, 36, 40. State officials say that California holds just four to six weeks of petrol and diesel under normal demand conditions. And demand will obviously, I think, increase with people scared that they're going to run out. This is one of those things much like the Atlantic Current, where you're. Where the Atlantic Current melting, where you're like, oh, we're fucked. On a level I did not really realize.

[Joel Anderson]

So my mother is a person. Whenever she would drive my car, have her car, if her car got below half a tank of gas full, she'd be terrified and she'll go fill it up. Because of the gas crisis in the late 70s, like that has just left a scar on her. It's a piece of trauma that is still carrying on to this day. And it feels like we're just gonna get to get a bit of our own trauma.

[Tyler Parker]

Yeah, yeah, we're gonna get it?

[Joel Anderson]

You know what I'm saying? We're gonna have that same feeling. Four to six weeks, bro. I mean, and this is just gonna, this is gonna go on and on and on and on and on like this is. There does not appear to be some sort of resolution in play here.

[Jason Concepcion]

No. And there was just some. An exchange of drones and missile fire recently over the Hormuz Strait, which is not open, but they say it is. And I mean you're. There's so much that comes from the petroleum producing industry in the region. Like there's helium, there's all these other things that they need for. I mean the AI race, they can't do it without helium. There's plastics that come from the petroleum. There's of course the gas. There's the fact that gas is going to get more expensive. Like airlines are already canceling flights. Food's going to be more expensive because you got to drive it. There's. It's bad. It's very bad. And I'm with you where I was like, fuck. I actually can't quite imagine how bad it is. I've been like, if there was a purchase I kind of wanted to do previously and I had a little room on the credit card, I've just been like, let me just do it now before it's nuts and nothing can move.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, yeah, I want to buy, you know, one of those. I was at a USC spring game.

[Jason Concepcion]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

They have like a little misting fan and you're gonna have in your backyard. And I was like, oh man, I would love to have one of those in my yard. Like that's the thing. But you gotta get it now. Right?

[Jason Concepcion]

Right.

[Joel Anderson]

Because if you wait six months or like if you got a big furniture purchase or anything like that, any of that kind of shit, like it. Cause it's about to get, it's about to get crazy. It's about to get really, really.

[Jason Concepcion]

It's about to get really wild.

[Tyler Parker]

The other aspect of this. Oh yeah, we're running out of ammo, apparently.

[Jason Concepcion]

Oh yes.

[Tyler Parker]

CNN's got a report the US military has quote significantly depleted its stockpile of key missile the ran and created a quote, near term risk of running out of ammunition in a future conflict should one arise in the next few years. The, the numbers internal Defense department stockpile assessments. At least 45% of its stockpile of precision strike missiles. At least half its inventory of THAAD missiles, which are the ones that intercept ballistic missiles. And then they're nearly 50% of its stockpile of Patriot Air defense interceptor missiles.

[Jason Concepcion]

So, yeah, what I love about this is that that's the Pentagon leaking. Because there's people who work in that building who are like, yo, forget what people are saying, like, on tv, we are kind of fucked. Guys. Like, this is all. All that information, which is. Is from anonymous sources in the Pentagon that are just like, leaking, hate, hey, we're out of ammo. Which if people in the Pentagon are alarmed enough to be doing that in a context where it wasn't that long ago that Hegseth and others were polygraphing everybody in the Pentagon because they were like, who's leaking stories about me that people don't like me? You have to take a polygraph now. So the fact that they are leaking with such detail, I think is alarming, especially in the context of a world in which China has. Has promised to be ready to take Taiwan by 2027, which is next year.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, you wish you had a wartime general, right? So by which I mean, they probably fire him. Yeah, right, right. But, like, you know how, like, CBS News is in really bad shape. Like, their ratings are really bad. A lot of their products were failing. They were in third place, so on and so forth, and they really. This is a time when they need the best leadership possible. Like somebody that actually knows what they're doing, that has worked in tv and. And it's like a dynamic leader. Yes, right. They don't have that right now.

[Tyler Parker]

Not at all.

[Joel Anderson]

And that's what I feel about us and being at war right now. Cause I'm just like, we don't have what we need.

[Jason Concepcion]

It's like, do you ever ghost? You ever, like. We used to call it ghost riding. You get in a shopping cart and just let it roll down a hill. That's kind of what it feels like. Now, does it make you feel better that Trump has addressed the ammo issue? On March 2, he said on Truth Social, quote, wars can be fought forever and very successfully using just these supplies. Parentheses, which are better than other countries finest arms or. On March 3rd, the White House announced that the US has, quote, virtually an unlimited supply. That makes you feel good. April, quote, munitions in particular at the high end. We have a lot, but we are preserving it. And finally, quote, it's a small price to pay to make sure that we stay tippy. Top.

[Joel Anderson]

It's. It's unfortunate that he's the funniest president.

[Jason Concepcion]

He is very funny.

[Joel Anderson]

It's really unfortunate. The hilarious.

[Tyler Parker]

The last. The last thing. Even though we are running out of ammo, apparently we have enough for firing squads. Trump's DOJ just announced they're bringing these back for federal executions. It's already been legal in five states. States.

[Joel Anderson]

Utah is one of them. Right?

[Tyler Parker]

Utah's one of them. South Carolina, Oklahoma, Mississippi, and Idaho. They're. They're typically the backup for lethal injection. It's like, it's part of a broader effort to, you know, sort of expedite the timeline, carrying out these capital punishments and everything like that. The death sentences. So it. And they. And they're trying to reduce appeals.

[Jason Concepcion]

So it's like, hey, just write to the firing squad. This is definitely one of those where it was like, I feel like they're inventing bad stuff that nobody was asking for. To just be like, we bring Alabama firing squad. What do we think? The little cigarette.

[Tyler Parker]

If they don't like that one, we'll do the guillotine. We'll do the same. We'll do the guillotine in six months.

[Jason Concepcion]

Too French. We love the gun. What else can we do with guns? It feels like this is a very creative, although very obvious, but, like, it feels like this is also an administration that could be like, what else could we. You know, it feels like they can do other stuff with guns.

[Joel Anderson]

They're, like, playing against Jokic. Like, it's just when you imagine playing against somebody or like, James Harden, and it's just like, I can't keep up with your movement. Like, they're just so. They come up with so much great shit to fuck the world up. Like, it was like they were really people again. I knew that it was going to be bad, okay? And so lucky me. But a lot of people just didn't consider how creative they would be with fucking up things, you know? And it's just like, Yoko is like, oh, shit, I didn't know. He just went around me. I didn't see that coming. He made that throw. I don't know how it happened.

[Jason Concepcion]

Here's Todd Blanche on this big firing squad win. Quote, the prior administration, AKA Biden, failed in its duty to protect the American people by refusing to pursue and carry out the ultimate punishment against the most dangerous criminals, including terrorists, child murderers, asterisk, and cop killers.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, I just imagine if you were reading this about another country, and there'll be the despot, who is closing political ranks and slowly grabbing power. Recently lowered the requirements needed to execute prisoners, you know, because of an initiative to expedite, you know, serious federal offenses. You would be like, man, that country is sliding into something horrible. Like, that is really scary.

[Tyler Parker]

Yes. Yes.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, but is it like. Yeah, like said. I mean, it's just bad enough the electric chair. Why do we have.

[Jason Concepcion]

The electric chair was crazy enough. I mean, smoke coming out of the ears. It didn't always kill the person right away.

[Tyler Parker]

Well, it's the same thing with lethal injections, too. Like some of these states. Oklahoma has tried to do lethal injections. A couple. I mean, I shouldn't speak without the facts in front of me. I know it's happened multiple times where they have had someone on the table and it doesn't happen for a while.

[Joel Anderson]

They've been using bootleg chemicals.

[Jason Concepcion]

That's what it is, right?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. Because a lot of them aren't allowed. And so they gotta try to. Now they're trying to use palm olive and shit to try to kill people.

[Jason Concepcion]

Because there's two. And again, now I'm speaking extemporaneously, but I believe there's two chemicals that they mix. The first one is you go to sleep. And the second one is it stops the heart. And the second one is extremely painful when it goes in. And I think to your point, people have just been like, ah, well, they've

[Tyler Parker]

just been flailing around on the table for a long time and still not dying.

[Jason Concepcion]

And Trump doesn't like that one. Blanche doesn't like that one. They flop around on the table.

[Joel Anderson]

I know, but I'm sure it's probably funny. Don't you think he'll get videos of all of them and just watch them?

[Jason Concepcion]

Oh, yeah. That seems like something he'd do at like 3 o' clock in the morning.

[Tyler Parker]

Isn't he the guy who, like, made someone edit Bloodsport down to just all the, like, fights or whatever. Like the time where the guy got kicked in the nuts, like, that's like his favorite moment in movies.

[Joel Anderson]

Is that really true?

[Tyler Parker]

There's some sort of story like that?

[Joel Anderson]

That's amazing. I kind of would. I would like to see that tape. I would like to see that man.

[Jason Concepcion]

Joelle. Joelle. I call you because I've got him beat on the mind. One of again. From Trump to another. One of history's great criminals. Joel, thank you so much for joining us.

[Tyler Parker]

Thank you, Joel.

[Joel Anderson]

My pleasure. Anytime.

[Tyler Parker]

You're the best.

[Joel Anderson]

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[Jason Concepcion]

Wow.

[Joel Anderson]

No photos, please.

[Tyler Parker]

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[Jason Concepcion]

I really look my best when someone else makes the decisions. Hey, we can all see you two way mirrors.

[Joel Anderson]

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[Jason Concepcion]

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