Karen Read Updates, Elon Stokes Race Riots, and 'Pokémon GO' Drones With Amelia Wedemeyer

Summary

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Wait a Second… | June 18, 2026

Episode: Karen Read Updates, Elon Stokes Race Riots, and 'Pokémon GO' Drones With Amelia Wedemeyer

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Main Theme and Purpose

This episode dives deep into the latest developments in the Karen Read case, unpacks Elon Musk’s influence on UK race riots and his status as the world's first trillionaire, and explores how ‘Pokémon GO’ contributed to military drone tech—all with guest Amelia Wedemeyer. The conversation blends investigative analysis, jaw-dropping details, and dark humor, sticking closely to the podcast’s signature backchannel style for all things “WTF.”

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1. The Karen Read Case: An Anatomy of Institutional Rot

Background Recap [02:30–04:00]

• On January 29, 2022, Boston police officer John O’Keefe was found dead outside a house party in Canton, MA.
• Prosecution: His girlfriend, Karen Read, drunkenly backed her SUV into him and left him to die.
• Defense: O’Keefe was killed inside the house, and the investigation shielded law enforcement partygoers.
• Key players in the house: local, state, federal, and ATF police.
• Lead investigator: Trooper Michael Proctor, whose texts revealed bigotry and misconduct.

Forensic Bungling and Phone Anomalies [04:18–14:38]

• Sloppy Evidence: Investigators placed evidence in solo cups, used leaf blowers at the scene.
  “It's not exactly CSI.” – Tyler Parker [06:54]
• Suspicious “Butt Dials”: Repeatedly deleted calls from partygoer Jennifer McCabe’s phone, justified as accidental.
  “There’s several of them… so many.” – Jason Concepcion [11:33]
• How's (Hos) Long to Die in Cold: McCabe’s early-morning Google search cast suspicion; timestamping issues debated.
• Destroyed Evidence: ATF agent Brian Higgins threw his phone and SIM card into a military dumpster after learning preservation orders were likely. “That's a very normal way…I think that’s a normal way to get rid of your phone. Right. You drive to a military base and cut...Cut stuff in half.” – Jason Concepcion [12:21]
• Alleged Flirtation: Defense claims Karen and Higgins had flirtatious exchanges, suggesting motive for internal strife.

The Dog Theory & The Cover-Up [13:27–14:38]

• Defense alleges O’Keefe was attacked by the family’s reactive German shepherd (immediately rehomed after the event), with wounds matching dog bites. “You’d have to take my dog from me at gunpoint. Like, why would I rehome my dog?” – Jason Concepcion [29:03]

Institutional Rot Exposed [14:38–22:57]

• Lead Investigator Proctor’s phone: Racist, sexist, anti-Semitic, and homophobic texts (many read aloud in court).
  • "America sucks. Hitler was really on to something." – Michael Proctor, via Tyler Parker [16:23]
  • “Hopefully she just kills herself.” – Proctor about Karen Read [21:43]
  • Admissions of evidence planting, using slurs, and “joking” about letting crash victims die.
• New civil suit: Karen Read accuses investigators and their departments of a culture of "bigotry, misogyny, systemic failures, and institutional rot."
  • “An embedded culture...at the very core of both organizations.” – From Read's lawsuit [20:31]
• Ongoing fallout: Defense attorneys are reopening all cases Proctor touched.
  • “This has the potential to unwind multiple convictions.” – Jason Concepcion [22:53]
• Tie-in to broader Canton PD scandals: Key officers texted about grooming, sexual assault, and murder of a teen (Sandra Birchmore).
  • “Where are the good apples?” – Jason Concepcion [24:25]

What’s Next? [29:31–30:15]

• Lawsuits and investigations could topple convictions and expose further corruption.
• Most damning detail: "How long to die in cold" search seen as the ultimate red flag.

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2. Elon Musk: Trillionaire and Amplifier of Race Riots

Context: Race Riots & Conspiracy in UK/Northern Ireland [32:09–38:08]

• Following high-profile crimes involving immigrants of color, right-wing UK voices (amplified by Musk) alleged police go easier on immigrants than whites.
• Masked gangs attacked immigrants in Belfast after Elon Musk amplified Tommy Robinson’s far-right rhetoric on X.
  • “Elon Musk was actively amplifying a lot of these calls...Only by protesting repeatedly and loudly will there be any change.” – Jason Concepcion [35:23]
• Musk reposts: “British Prime Minister Keir Starmer hates white people,” “Millions must go.”
• Tommy Robinson shared AI-generated disinfo images and called for businesses to close to facilitate race riots.
  • “[They're] burning homes, burning immigrants out of their homes. Families were chased into the street…race based pogrom.” – Jason Concepcion [34:11]

Ominous Parallels and Solutions? [38:18–44:14]

• Panel laments similarities to US right-wing disinfo cycles.
• Jason's fantasy presidential plan: jail Musk, seize his companies, and make tech infrastructure public.
  • “Day one, I get all the top billionaires…drag Elon Musk out in chains.” – Jason Concepcion [39:06]
• Musk's wealth decried as "beyond comprehension" and inherently dangerous to democracy.
  • “It shouldn’t be possible to get there. Listen, maybe. Maybe 1 billion. Maybe I’ll think about it…But, like, a trill—that’s—I can’t even comprehend that.” – Jason Concepcion [45:19]

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3. Doomscroll Store: Pokémon GO Drones, CIA Gold Bars, and More

Pokémon GO Powers Military Drones [45:48–47:52]

• Niantic's AR mapping data (30B scans worldwide via Pokémon GO) spun into Niantic Spatial, now powering GPS-free drone navigation in defense contracts.
  • “We have helped map the local landscape for future drone warfare.” – Jason Concepcion [47:02]
• Panel debates global reach and security implications.

Doge, Musk, and Dangerous Retaliation [47:53–48:46]

• Federal IT whistleblower who reported Doge-related security threats found his brake lines cut, shortly after Musk amplified posts denouncing him by name.

Gold Bars CIA Scandal [48:49–52:48]

• Ex-CIA official David Rush arrested after amassing 30 gold bars, cash, and Rolexes—claims linked to phony “continuity of government” operations for nuclear war contingencies.
  • “Catch Me If You Can...this guy is one of the most impressive.” – Tyler Parker [52:09]
• Rush forged his way into the military and leveraged classified programs for personal gain.

Jared Kushner and the Flamingo Revolution [52:55–56:23]

• Kushner’s $1.4B resort on Albania’s only island prompts mass protests (“Flamingo revolution”) and anti-corruption probes over protected land, land value inflation, suspected money laundering.
  • “It could actually overthrow the government of Albania. This sale.” – Jason Concepcion [54:18]

Anthropic/Claude AI and US Security Crackdown [56:23–63:52]

• New Fable 5/Claude Mythos AI model pulled after government orders to suspend use by foreign nationals due to WMD/cybersecurity concerns.
  • “I kind of agree…these models are super, super powerful. And do we want just everybody at home to be able to be like, hey, how do I make the best possible bomb?” – Jason Concepcion [58:28]
• Chaos for Anthropic/global workforce; debate over security v. innovation and regulatory frameworks.
• Risks raised: jailbreaking, digital arms race, economic inequality, AI-boosted cyber threats.
  • “You’re staring down the barrel.” – Tyler Parker [64:05]

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4. Closing Reflections [64:26–end]

• Encouragement to Karen Read as an underdog wronged by the system.
  • “Karen, keep fighting. Like, I think you have a really good shot. It's crazy what they did do you.” – Amelia Wedemeyer [64:38]
• Panel offers characteristically irreverent banter about Karen’s relationship with her lawyer, drinking habits, and abrasive style, but expresses sympathy for her ordeal.
• Final notes mix resignation, gallows humor, and exhaustion with the relentless onslaught of institutional corruption, AI anxiety, and billionaire mischief.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “They were using a leaf blower to try and, like, blow snow away from other evidence.” – Jason Concepcion [06:32]
• “The best you could say is like, the Canton PD is extremely sloppy in the way they investigate things.” – Jason Concepcion [18:30]
• “Where are the good apples?” – Jason Concepcion [24:25]
• “If I had, like, a coke charge or something and that guy arrested me, I would go to my lawyer…” – Amelia Wedemeyer [22:20]
• “Day one, I… drag Elon Musk out of the room in chains.” – Jason Concepcion [39:06]
• “It’s just insane. Anyway, should we go to the Doomscroll store?” – Jason Concepcion [45:42]
• “We have helped map the local landscape for future drone warfare.” – Jason Concepcion [47:02]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Karen Read Deep Dive: 02:30–30:15
• Elon Musk & Race Riots: 32:09–45:11
• Doomscroll Store (Pokémon GO Drones, CIA, Albanian Island, Claude AI): 45:48–63:52
• Closing Thoughts & Karen Read Pep Talk: 64:26–end

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This episode distills jaw-dropping true crime, institutional critique, and contemporary techno-political anxieties, all in the Ringer’s characteristic voice—irreverent but sharply analytical. It covers everything you need to discuss these cases in your next group chat, whether or not you weathered the chaos of the episode itself.

Transcript

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You weren't trying to be in the movies. It just kind of happened. You find your mark and you wait. Your name is Louis eppolito. You are 40, and you're a big guy. Thick through the shoulders with a face like a leather shoe. It's a tough guy's face. Martin Scorsese likes that face. For the scene he's shooting for his upcoming Mafia epic, Goodfellas, the swirling introduction to the Bamboo Lounge's wise guy clientele. The thing is, you're not acting. At least not when you're on set. Don't get me wrong. You do act. You act like a cop. By day, you are a New York City police detective with two decades on the job. By night, you're a soldier for the Lucchese crime family. Gaspipe Casso pays you and your NYPD partner Steve four grand a month to identify rats and tip him off about raids. Anything else is extra. Putting a guy in the trunk of a car and delivering him to Casso to be whacked, that's extra. Using your police lights to pull over Eddie Leno so you can whack him, that's a lot extra. Whacking the wrong guy because of mistaken identity? Hey, nobody's perfect. But that's extra, too. Eventually, Casso will get jammed up and turn rat, get kicked out of the witness protection program and end up doing 400 years. You, you'll basically get away with it. You will retire from the department on a full pension and move to Vegas. Acting in Goodfellas gives you a taste for the movie. So you write a script. You meet a guy who says he can get it made, he'll turn out to be a government informant. You end up doing life and die in prison. But that's years from now. Today, the camera is rolling, and here it comes. You deliver your line. This is. Wait a second. The Karen Reid case and Elon Musk's Race Riots. I'm Jason Concepcion. That's Tyler Parker.

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What's up?

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And we are absolutely, absolutely delighted. Thrilled. Over the moon.

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Over the moon.

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Over the moon. To welcome back to the Ringer, our ex ringer colleague, Amelia Wedemeyer.

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Oh, my God. Thank you. This is big for me. I'm so excited to be here.

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Well, today we're talking about a topic that is near and dear to both of our hearts, in a way. We text about it a lot. A lot.

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Yeah.

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It is. The latest updates in the Karen Reid case. A quick intro on the Karen Reed case. On the morning of January 29, 2022, a Boston police officer named John O' Keefe was found dead in the snow outside a house party in Canton, Massachusetts. The state said his girlfriend, Karen Reed, had backed her SUV into him, drunk. Everyone with Karen and around the group that was out that night was severely inebriated and left him in the cold to die. The defense said he was killed, however, inside the house. And the investigation was built to protect the people in it. Many of the people in the house in front of which John o' Keefe was found were law enforcement in various degrees. They were state police or Canton police or federal police, dea, Tobacco Firearms. One of the guys, atf. The lead investigator was a state trooper named Michael Proctor. His text about Reid were read aloud to the jury, and they were horrifying. We looked at them.

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He had to read them.

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They made him read them.

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Oh, I didn't know that he had to read them.

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They were horrified. This isn't the first trial he read them. He was fired. Reid was tried twice, and in June 2025, she was acquitted of murder and walked away. But latest developments are that the trooper's phone did not go away. This month, in a new lawsuit, Reid's lawyers revealed more of what was in that phone. An exchange between Proctor and a former Canton sergeant that they had an outside expert describe racist, sexist, anti Semitic and homophobic content found in that phone. The contents are sealed. So what's public is the description, not the words. But the stuff in there is pretty damning. Where do we start with the Karen Reid case?

[C]

I mean, I guess the night it happened.

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Yes, Karen and John o' Keefe were dating. They were out at a local drinking establishment with a bunch of other people who. And everybody was absolutely.

[C]

Oh, they were tanked.

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It sounds just hanged. Roasted.

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There are several documentaries about this event, and the takeaway is, hey, everybody, seek help for your drinking problem.

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It's like, no, the number of times, like, she talked about shot. And I respect you, Karen Reid, I really do. But it was just like, shot, shot, shot next night and shot, shot, shot, shot. So it was a lot of shots.

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So, you know, they then go to this after party establishment, which is the private house in front of which John is later found. Yeah, Karen drops him off there and goes back home.

[C]

Yes. She like, he goes in because she's like, the lights on the house were all out. So she's like, well, the lights on the house are out. Like, I need you to go in and see what's going on. And so he goes in, knock, knock, knock, goes in. And then he literally Never comes out.

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Never comes out. She leaves.

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She leaves. She's pissed. She's calling him, being like, you're a fucking pervert.

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I hate you're.

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She.

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Several really intense voicemails. Like.

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Like angry drama. Piece of shit. Yeah.

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I hope you're having fun, you piece of shit. Like all this kind of stuff. And then later he is found dead in front of the house. Now, several things about the investigation into the death that then happened. Here's. I think the most charitable thing I think you could say about the investigation was it was extremely shoddy.

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Yeah.

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I mean, they were putting evidence in solo cups, which I understand that.

[B]

And then dropping the red cups just into paper bags.

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Right, Right. Yeah.

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I mean, some of this stuff that. Yeah. Reading it, you're just like, how could anyone with any background in law enforcement think that that's how you would collect evidence?

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They were using a. A leaf blower.

[C]

Right. They were using a leaf blower to

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try and, like, blow snow away from other evidence. Like, you know, they allege that he was struck by a car, therefore there would be shattered tail light stuff there. And so they were using like, a leaf blower to just blow stuff around

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because the guy said that he was worried that if he was using a shovel, it would.

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Yes.

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Break things further. Basically.

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It's not exactly csi.

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Oh, no.

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Right.

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You cannot be here. This is a police investigation.

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What does that mean? He was a big city cop with a small jurisdiction.

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Should we talk about the. The butt dials or the house long?

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Okay, yeah, I'm sorry. That to me, that's like the glove. Like, it is damning.

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Yeah.

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So one of the women inside the house who I think was like married to Jennifer McCabe.

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Yes.

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A cop, I think. And she Googles how long to die in cold. Obviously she meant how long to die in cold at like 2:30 in the morning. And he's found at like what, 6:00am and just like. Sorry, excuse me.

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So the, the timestamp on the text is like two something in the morning.

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Yeah.

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Now

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I know that the prosecution tried to get a little funny with.

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Well, I mean, I think she might

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have just opened the browser then and didn't do it until 6 or something. That's what they're trying to say.

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I do think it's a genuinely open question because, like, I'm not a technical person. I don't know. So the issue is like McCabe. Jennifer McCabe alleges that she was standing in front of the body with Karen Reid, who was like freaking out his hero because, like, there's her dead boyfriend.

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Right.

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And because Karen was like screaming like, how could this happen? Like, how could he just be dead right here?

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She.

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At Karen's urging.

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Yes.

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Google searched. She obviously was. She was attempting to search how long to die in cold, but it came out as hose long to die in cold.

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Hos.

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And that it was. The timestamp was 2:00am Because I guess she had previously opened the browser at 2am to search something else, then forgot what she was doing because she was so hammer drunk, put the phone away. And then when she reopened, it was still on the previous session. That's what they allege. The defense technical experts argue that that is not the case.

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Right. Because it was a different iOS system. And also. I'm sorry. No, absolutely no time stamped that. I'm sorry, you did.

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Yeah.

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My favorite part of this. So the defense.

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So one of the wild things about this to me is surrounding these butt dials.

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Oh, let's talk about the butt dials.

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Because according to the research, all the different people in the house claimed basic sort of speaking almost with the same kind of phrase saying like, oh yeah, I have butt dials all the Time. Yeah.

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So there's a lot of cell phone with this. The first is that McCabe they found on John O' Keefe's phone that McCabe had called him numerous times after she

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had deleted the calls on her end about some of that stuff. She had deleted. Right.

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There's no record of it on her phone, therefore she deleted it. She would testify that she doesn't remember doing it. It must have been a butt dial. But there's like seven consecutive.

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So many.

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But there's several of them.

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That plus the how's long to dying cold. I'm no ye.

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The other thing with the phone is that the ATF agent that was there, Brian Alpert, he was going to be ordered by the court to preserve his cell phone in evidence because he was at this party and a man was found dead, by the way. The police did not search the house.

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Yeah, they didn't go inside the house.

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They didn't go inside the house.

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Right.

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Did he know that this court order was going to come down? Unclear. But the day before he removed his SIM card from the phone, drove to a nearby military base and discarded of the phone in a dumpster on a military base with the SIM card.

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But didn't he cut the SIM card in half? Isn't that what he said?

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Cut the SIM card in half just like. And then testified on the stand like, oh, yeah, I'm just like, listen, I'm a divorced middle aged guy. There's nothing interesting on my phone. That's a very normal way. I think that's a normal way to get rid of your phone. Right. You drive to a military base and cut. Cut stuff in half.

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That's like, do you remember like Wagatha Christie with those two soccer players and the one lady threw her phone to like the North Sea and she's like, it just happened. It's like, girl, no, it didn't. You threw it in there intentionally.

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The defense also alleges, like their version of events is that John went in the house. Perhaps there was already some existing tensions because of other things going just like flirting.

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Flirting with the brine. The guy who deleted the SIM card.

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The SIM card guy and Karen had

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a flirtatious text, right? Yeah.

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They were like, you're hot.

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I mean, it. It's pretty. I mean, yeah, it's like, oh, have

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you read the text?

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Oh, yeah.

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They.

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They talked about it on the stand. It's pretty crazy stuff. It's like, you're hot. Like, you know, like, let's, you know,

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like, I've always Thought about it.

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I've always thought about.

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Yeah, you're good looking

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with other people. Anyway, so the allegation is, from the defense is that he went inside and was perhaps attacked by the family German shepherd, which was a reactive dog. And that in this struggle with the dog, a fight sparked and John was like, beaten to death. And then he dragged him outside and he was killed where he died outside. Now, the dog was rehomed.

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The dog.

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Sorry, Chloe. The dog was gotten rid of immediately after. Immediately, which I don't know how much would have to happen for you to get rid of your dog.

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Not only was she re homed immediately, she attacked another dog immediately once she got.

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So, a history of reactiveness. And some of the wounds on John's body, the defense medical examiner testified that, yes, those. They look like dog bites.

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There had been puncture wounds in the sweatshirt he was wearing.

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And then they sold the house.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Which is like. It's just too many. There's too many things.

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You're really behaving guilty, y'.

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All. Yes, Behaving tremendously guilty. And then you get to the cell phone issue with Mr. Proctor. Officer Proctor, the investigating officer. Do you want to tell us about that?

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He's literally the lead investigator, and he is, like, texting his fellow officer, officers, and they're like, is she hot? And he's like, oh, she's hot, but she's got no ass or something like that.

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I was like, no.

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Okay. And. And then it's like. Only it's revealed also that he's being racist and homophobic. It just like, he.

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The stuff that targets everyone, the stuff that he has said in some of

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these text messages, the original text messages. First of all, he's on there with, I think, his commanding officer from the Canton police force and his personal friends from high school talking about the case. And he says in one of the texts, referring to Karen Reid's phone, which he has no nudes as of yet. He's just, like, going through her phone looking for nudes and also says, like, basically

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he calls her the C word. And he's just like, she's a bitch.

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Something to the effect that, like, he's sure it's her and they'll just, like, figure out how to.

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She's fucked.

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She's fucked.

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Yeah.

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So that's another thing. And that he had to read these texts on the stand, which is like, incredible.

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Yeah. I mean, some of the texts that don't involve read, but just to sort of let the viewer slash listener in on what type of, dude, this is one point. He wrote, America sucks. Hitler was really on to something.

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Yeah.

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Then the blank US has to step in and ruin it.

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Yeah.

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It talking about investigating a crash site for a car crash that was in Canton. Uses racial slur immediately. Talking about sort of telling people to go investigate it, but then saying, actually, take your time. I saw a blank was involved, so I wouldn't rush. If you're working, like, slur for a black person and then let them die is the final.

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So there's another one there that's like, it's punch a black person day black person using obviously the worst slur you can use.

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On top of all that, though. Wait, you go.

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I was just going to say that. Then there is the issue of the Sally Port video. So just like to go through all the evidence that is heavily disputed. So they tow the car, which they allege is the murder weapon to the Canton PD Garage. And there's a camera in the garage. They then play. The defense is alleging that, like, no one was looking at the car. It could have perhaps, like, evidence was planted. Perhaps, like an officer shattered the taillight. Because the federal examiner who looked at this evidence said none of these injuries that John o' Keefe have suggest a vehicle strike. Obviously, the state is saying that's not the case. And they're also saying, like, we didn't tamper with his evidence. And so to prove that, they play the video from the garage. The video was then discovered to be inverted, so it was reversed. So you're looking at the other side of the car, not the side of the car with the broken tail light.

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The driver's side looks like it's the passenger side and vice versa.

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Yeah.

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They said, oh, well, we didn't do that on purpose. But the ultimate effect is you're not looking at the area of the car that is in question. And you actually can't see if anybody goes to the area of the car that's in question. And then there's 42 minutes missing from the video.

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And the bottom, the timestamp stuff at the bottom is not inverted also. And so that was one of the things that they could sort of grab one.

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So again, like, the best you could say is like, the Canton PD is extremely sloppy in the way they investigate things.

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Well, and also, okay, I watched the HBO Max thing recently again, and in the video, some. I think it was Albert was in the. Or someone. I don't remember who was in the video in the area.

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He's in the area with the.

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And it was like, what are you doing? What are you doing? What are you doing?

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So there were two trials, Karen. It was. The first trial was a mistrial. This is the trial where they got Officer Proctor to read all his text messages on the stand. We should add that people who have been closely watching this case feel as if the judge. Judge Beverly was extremely like a referee in the NBA Finals, trying to give every break to Victor Wembanyama.

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Sure. If I could wrap my mind around something like that. Yeah, sure.

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Basically supporting objections from the state and knocking down objections from Karen Reid's defense. There's a second trial at which she is acquitted. There's a strategic shift in that trial in which the state tries to neuter the cell phone evidence by reading it into evidence themselves and being like, yes, here's all the bad things that Officer Proctor said. But that's separate and apart from the actual evidence in this case, which they allege is dam. She gets off. And now we come to the. The latest case, which is a civil case that Karen Reid has filed against the state, basically saying because of all the crazy shit that's in Officer Proctor's phone that goes back 10, 11, 13 years, there is a systematic corruption inside

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the Canton PD the exact words a. She calls Proctor and then former Canton police Sergeant Sean Good. She calls both of them virulent bigots.

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True.

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And that retaining them reflected, quote, an embedded culture of bigotry, misogyny, systemic failures, and institutional rot at the very core of both organizations.

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Beautiful.

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Yeah.

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And honestly, it's hard to argue otherwise now. I think that it's very hard arguing.

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I agree.

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I mean, like, this guy had no problem being a police officer for 10, 11 years texting with his commanding officer. Like, the worst shit that you could do.

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It's bad.

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Talking about planning evidence.

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That's bad. Yeah.

[B]

Calling a. Yeah, that's another aspect of it I don't know if we touched on. The first time in the text messages is also he is admitting to planting evidence, which that then brings the fact, okay, this is a dude who we know to tamper with investigations. So, like, it just opens up a whole nother case.

[A]

There are references to Proctor planning drugs on suspects. Now we should say that there are no examples. This is just in the. This is. This is Karen Reed's filing saying that. But based on everything we've seen, I

[B]

think that seems consistent with what we know.

[A]

Seems absolutely reasonable.

[C]

Seriously. Well, also, I forgot he. In text to someone about Karen Reed, he was like, hopefully she just kills herself.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Like, damn.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[C]

So there's that.

[A]

So the defense is essentially going to be, okay, yes, these are horrible, but it doesn't prove that this one bad apple poisoned the entire apple bucket.

[C]

Right.

[A]

Because, you know, these are his personal views, and doesn't mean he acted on them within the structure of the Canton Police Department.

[C]

I mean, let's just say if I had, like, a coke charge or something and that guy arrested me, I would go to my lawyer and say, okay, well, clear. We have a case for sure.

[B]

You know, that's another thing. It has basically sort of opened the books on all of Proctor's investigations.

[A]

So now that's already started. Yes, that's already started. Where everything he has touched. Lawyers for defendants in those cases are already filing motions to be like, well, let's open this thing up. What did he do? Let's find out. This has the potential to unwind multiple convictions.

[C]

It's crazy. Yes, it's crazy. And he's great. I mean, he's crazy.

[E]

He's crazy.

[C]

He's absolutely crazy.

[A]

He's a absolutely horrendous human being. And my takeaway from this was like, man, I don't know. Cops. It's.

[C]

It's bad.

[A]

It's very bad.

[C]

It's bad. Yeah.

[A]

I mean, it's.

[B]

It's wild. I mean, you touched on at the top of the podcast, but it's wild that how many of the people that were at that house just involved in different parts of law enforcement. It's not just the Massachusetts State Police. Right. It's like, there's no.

[A]

It's the atf and then it's State. It's the Canton pd. And by the way, the Canton pd, another thing they found at Proctor's phone, there's a reference to Sandra Birchmore. So Sandra Birchmore was a teenager who came into contact with a Canton PD officer through their, like, their version of, like, the Police Youth League. You know, it's like. I think it was called the police department's Police Explorers Club. And she was 12. He then groomed her from age 15 to 18, sexually assaulted her, got her pregnant, and murdered her.

[C]

Oh, great.

[A]

And in the texts, Good. Officer Good, who is texting to Proctor, refers to Birchmore as a. As a. As retard or partially a retard. It's as bad as it can be.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Like, where are the good apples?

[C]

Actually, no, it's shocking. It's literally, in a way that's just like, affirms everything, you know, your thoughts on police. It's kind of like, okay, so they're all like this. Okay, cool.

[A]

When I should have. Like, the ones who the. They would argue. Okay, like, listen, Proctor, we pulled his license. He was fired.

[C]

Right.

[A]

Which is true. All of this after 11 years. And all this stuff had to come to light first. And all the people he was texting with have been, you know, put on desk duty or suspended or whatever. Still part of the force, but, like, suspended. So that would be. Their argument is like, well, listen, as soon as we became aware of this, we, like, fired the guy after 13 years of, like, crazy racist stuff, right? He's out of here, and everybody else will never touch a gun again and never see the streets they're working, like, in the police station. Does that make anybody feel better?

[B]

No, because they can still tamper with shit and affect investigations, and there's just.

[C]

Yeah, like a system. Systemic problem, not just a couple of guys.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I want to return to the cell phone at the military base.

[B]

Just nuts.

[A]

First of all, it certainly seems like Brian Alpert was made aware that there would be an order to preserve his phone.

[C]

You would think. You would think the night of when the guy gets knocked over, allegedly, that you would. Regardless if she did it or if they did it in the house, it's like, yeah, this is gonna be an investigation.

[B]

Yeah, man.

[C]

Someone died.

[D]

What?

[A]

The police absolutely did not even look in the house. They were just like, what happened? I don't know. He's dead out here. I'm a cop. Okay, got it. Sure. This guy's atf. It's, like, absolutely fine. So. Oh, excuse me. So it was Brian Higgins, the ATF agent who was present at the party. He disposed of his cell phone at a military base and had exchanged flirtatious texts with Karen Reed in the weeks prior, which is, like, absolutely crazy. He testified at the first trial that he threw his cell phone and SIM card into a dumpster on the base while he was cutting through the. He was just, like, walking through the property. So this is, like, one of his.

[C]

This is great.

[A]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

Oh, my God, a dumpster. I've been.

[A]

Before throwing it away. He did break the SIM card in half and stated that he did not transfer any photos or videos off the device before discarding it. The timeline is pretty crazy. So around January 30, shortly after O' Keeffe's death, Higgins sought advice from his best friend, a fellow ATF agent at an FBI regional computer forensics lab, on how to extract text messages from a phone.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Higgins then went to the lab and used a kiosk in an unrestricted area to pull data from his phone. Then the preservation order. September 29, 2022. Higgins changed his personal phone number one day before he was going to receive this court order mandating that it preserve the phone. Then, after learning in October 2022 that the defense preservation motion was denied, he got rid of the phone about two months later, admitting that he consulted no one before disposing of it and never received anything in writing canceling the preservation order. He's just basically like, oh, I was supposed to keep that. I didn't realize. He maintained that his actions were not sinister. He characterized the device as an old, beaten, broken down phone, explaining that as a divorced man with no children, he had nothing to hide and simply nothing to preserve.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

Which is why he got rid of his phone in that manner.

[C]

Okay, that's. I'm sorry. No. Blank.

[B]

Yeah. It's just so deeply unbelievable.

[A]

Truly, it is really crazy. And clearly, because they charged her with second degree murder, clearly the hope was. I mean, it seemed like they've done this before, which is like, dump a crazy charge on you, hope that you plead guilty, and she'll plead guilty because there's such crazy charges she's facing, and then this all goes away.

[C]

Yeah, because you would think, if anything, she would get manslaughter, not second degree murder, if she accidentally backed up over him. I just. Like, it doesn't even. They're trying. It doesn't make sense. I'm sorry. It doesn't make sense.

[A]

It's. It's all of it very, very tough. And the dog. I always. I come back to the dog, too. It's like, you'd have to take my dog from me at gunpoint. Like, why would I re home my dog? I understand if it bit somebody, that's bad, but.

[B]

But they're not saying it did.

[A]

Well, they're saying that it bit a different person, and that's why they rehomed the German shepherd originally named Chloe, which is then her name, I guess, has been changed to cora. State Police Sgt. Yuri Buhenic testified the police never obtained Chloe's transfer records and never contacted her new owners. Meaning no one knows really, where the animal is now.

[B]

How convenient. Okay, she's crazy.

[A]

Where do you expect, like, what do you think will come of this?

[C]

I mean, I would hope that. I assume this is gonna be. A jury would decide this. I would think that they'd probably side with her. I don't. Maybe they won't, but I think they would. It just seems like there's so much evidence supporting what she's saying, you know, and it just. It's bad.

[A]

Do you have a one favorite most sinister weird part of this case?

[C]

I mean, the ha long to die in cold?

[A]

Yeah. Why are you Googling that?

[C]

Sorry? Why are you Googling that at 2:30 in the morning after you've killed this guy? It's really bad.

[B]

It is. So many times in these investigations when you hear about the behavior of the people, I do start to think like, do you not watch movies and TV shows? Like, do you not know how this sort of shit is gonna.

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[A]

Shall we move on to the world's first trillionaire? Sure. So, Elon Musk recently became the world's first trillionaire. Congratulations to him. However, he's also been busy doing other stuff, which is fomenting racial riots in the UK slash Northern Ireland on the night of June 8, 2026. And I was just in London, so it's like very weird to have had that perspective on this dynamic. Basically, what's happening over there is that there have been some high profile cases in which white people have been attacked and or killed by people of color. In one case in Southampton, England, which was really the thing that was going on when I was there, the person was a British born person of Pakistani origin who attacked another guy, a white guy. And then in Northern Ireland, it was a Sudanese immigrant who attacked a white Northern Irelander. And this has caused a lot of racial strife to bubble to the surface. There is this theory over there that there is a two tiered policing system. Now this is going to be sit down for this.

[B]

But the theory is this, this really knocked my socks off when I read it.

[A]

The theory is this promulgated by right wing actors over there.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

Immigrants, specifically immigrants of color are policed in a different way than native whites in that they are given softer penalties and less harsh interactions. And that it's actually the police cracking down on white people that is like a huge problem. Now in the wake of the June 8, 2026 attack in Belfast, which is horrific, masked men appeared on the streets, attacking houses, like setting up roadblocks, looking for people of color, burning homes, burning immigrants out of their homes. Families were chased into the street. There was immigrants that work at hospitals as nurses and stuff were chased through the street. Local MP called it a race based pogrom. And Elon Musk was actively amplifying a lot of these calls for this kind of activity. Over there on X. He shared a far right activist call to action. Tommy Robertson, this far right activist tweeted, only by protesting repeatedly and loudly will there be any change. Elon Musk tweeted, like reposted that. And he also posted, quote, murderous migrants beheading innocent people in their hometown is what's making people angry, not social media. And then Elon Musk also amplified that. Sure. And what happened is like a day of full rioting by men in masks chasing people in the streets. Elon Musk, world's first trillionaire, Very, very active right now.

[C]

It's just like, don't you have other stuff to do?

[A]

He doesn't like.

[C]

It's great.

[A]

This is his project. This is the project.

[B]

It's his passion project.

[A]

You know, South African guy feels like something close to his heart.

[C]

Yeah, true.

[A]

Oh my God, you're in it wrong. And I think it's like, very honestly, it's very ominous because I don't know, I look at this stuff and I think when you think about like the attempt, every time there's a mass shooting to be like it was a trans person that did it. Which is always like, not the case, but like there's always this early disinformation like, oh, it's a trans person, right? Oh, it was a black trans person. Oh, it was a Haitian that was like eating the cats.

[C]

Right.

[A]

There is clearly an attempt to get this kind of thing started here as well. And also, like, sorry to the UK for like Elon Musk who lives here doing this.

[C]

Yeah, sure, yeah, sorry. I'm just really sorry. Yeah, well. And like you can even take like Pizzagate. Remember when that happened? And it was just like, it's like, are you serious? It's, it's actually so crazy. And did you see. Also, sorry, this is a little off topic, but Sean Penn is now going to be in a movie with Bradley Cooper About January 6, about 1 of

[B]

the, one of the police. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Yes. Like, I think the, the, the good looking one with the beard who got

[B]

attacked, you would think the guy is the guy that is.

[A]

He had a heart attack in the middle of it. But he looks very like a sturdy Fanon. That's it. Fanon. Good looking guy.

[E]

Sure.

[A]

Tattooed guy.

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

Tatted up. Does look very cool. And was like a badass throughout the entire. And like called all the people that were saying January 6th was sort of bullshit. Not that bad. He called that out sort of all the way down the line.

[A]

So here are some other posts that Musk amplified on his personal megaphone. X. There was a post that British Prime Minister Keir Starmer hates white people, which he reposted. And he reposted an image of the suspect with the caption millions must go. And again has served as a massive amplification node for various far right activists, including the terrible Tommy Robinson. Tommy Robinson was actively using AI generated content to create disinformation. He like shared an image of a firefighter standing by while a black person's house burned. And also called for Tommy Robinson called for all businesses to close so that these masked men could go into the street and more easily find houses of black and brown people to burn.

[C]

It's like, what?

[A]

Yeah, that's what's go. That's what's happening right now while the World cup is going on. Not good.

[B]

Not good.

[C]

It's like I wake up every single day and this is going on and I'm like, well, okay, it's. I don't like, what is the solution?

[E]

Well,

[A]

I have, I actually do have a solution.

[D]

Oh, okay.

[A]

And listen, we're in a tough spot right now. Obviously in the world and in the country. If I was president or if AOC became president, I was advising her.

[C]

Oh, I love this.

[A]

Here's what I do. Day one. I get all the top billionaires who, you know, who have been. Anybody that was at the UFC fight. Yeah, right. I'm gonna be like, hey, come down to my office. Including Elon Musk. He wasn't at the fight, but I would call him down anyway. I would then drag Elon Musk out of the room in chains.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

For various crimes that. Like due process. Very important. I'm sure he's guilty of something, whether it's Doge selling the data, stealing the data, selling the data elsewhere, whatever else.

[C]

He's using his child as a meat shield.

[A]

He's done something like.

[B]

I'm sure there are any number of crimes against humanity that we could.

[A]

Possession of vast amounts of. Of ketamine. You know, whatever it is, he's done it right. Drag him out. You know, consorting with foreign nationals and giving them sensitive national security data, whatever.

[B]

Like offering to pay for someone's vote.

[C]

Imprisoning Azealia banks.

[A]

Imprisoning Azealia banks for a period of time during which she was sending the most unhinged and still entertaining tweets.

[C]

She is insane.

[A]

Problem as well. Not get sidetracked. So then I would arrest Elon Musk. I would turn to the rest of the billionaires. I would say, hey, keep the economy humming, or that's you shit. I would then, listen, we need the Starlink, because it's like, the backbone of various systems in our national defense structure. I would be like, the government owns that now. And then I would break up X and be like, who wants it? You want to buy this? Great. You now own SpaceX, Twitter, X. Anybody want that? I break it up and make it a public utility. Whatever. I would take his shit, throw him in jail and make an example of him to bring everybody else to heal. And then I would be. And it would. And then there would be a carrot, too, where I'd be like, listen, everything's gonna be great. Continue to run your businesses, you know, responsibly and all that. Just don't try anything, or I will put you next to Elon Musk in jail. That's what I would do. Day one.

[C]

I like this.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Can I ask you a question about Twitter specifically? Would you allow Twitter to go back the way it used to be, or would you still have people pay for the.

[A]

You know, I think it's too late. I think you probably just break. I Think you break up all his companies.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

Because it's gotten to the point now where, I mean, you're. If you have like a retirement account, you're pretty much like forced to buy SpaceX. Like you have to. His companies are. Now you're subsidizing him.

[C]

That's crazy. Yeah. You think that should be like illegal?

[A]

It. I am sure he's committed crimes, let's just put it that way, 100%. Like he's done something. I don't know. Like I, I hate to do it that way, but like he's. There's something.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And we can find something to put him away.

[D]

Sure.

[A]

All of which is to say like the next president who is not this guy from whatever party is gonna have tremendous power at their disposal. And probably that power should be taken away. But before it's taken away, let's do something good with it. It's like Thanos when it's like using the Infinity Stones to destroy the stones.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

You know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It.

[C]

Exactly.

[B]

Yeah. I have nothing to add.

[A]

I mean it's actually horrifying. Like what is happening. Like people in a European city are being chased through the streets. Like it's 1938 or something.

[C]

That's crazy. That's crazy.

[A]

Yeah. The other element of this is it does seem as if the people in the masks are mostly. You know, obviously Northern Ireland was the focus and the site of a lot of internecine violence between nationalist Catholic and loyalist Protestant communities. And a lot of them in the masks currently are like loyalist affiliated paramilitaries who never really went away. Like they're still there.

[C]

So they've been doing this for a long time.

[A]

I mean, after the Good Friday agreement, basically there was a vast amnesty where both sides that had done terroristic stuff were like, okay, everybody's. It's like a get out of jail free everybody. No matter what you did in the IRA or the UVF or whatever.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You bombed a school, you killed, you shot up various people, like in a bar. Sure. Everybody is. It's over.

[C]

It's all good now.

[A]

It's all good now. Right. These people went back into their communities and those power structures never really went away. Some of them became like organized crime figures. Some of them became like de facto cultural and economic leaders in the area where like. But still like had some juice. And I mean, the other part of this that is actually scary is that the. I mean there's a. There's a long running investigation to the amount of collusion between the loyalist paramilitary terrorists and, like, the UK government, the murders that were. It was discovered that. But the way that the UVF were targeting their victims, like, the target list they would get was, like, 80% of that list was generated from intelligence from the UK government.

[C]

See, and this is why I'm, like, on Reddit reading these theories, and I'm like, yeah, totally.

[A]

So this stuff is a harbinger, I think, sadly, of things to come.

[C]

Oh, my God. Yes.

[B]

It's just another thing where it's like, God, we're going backwards.

[A]

And they would love to do it here, I think. Like, they would love to. And they have clearly tried to. It's just, like, there's enough diversity here, you know, like, the minority communities in Northern Ireland and the UK are much smaller than they are here. So it's just, like, a lot easier to be, like, get the guys in the streets and burn the houses. And, of course, like, the houses are owned by local white people. So it's like, what are you even doing?

[C]

Yeah, you're ruining your own stuff. But okay.

[A]

Okay, it's very depressing, but congratulations to Mr. Musk on becoming a trillionaire on paper. We gotta stop that. I mean, that's the other thing.

[C]

We got really crazy.

[B]

It just shouldn't be allowed. Yeah, like, it's just. Yeah, it really should just not be possible.

[A]

It shouldn't be possible to get there. Listen, maybe. Maybe 1 billion. Maybe I'll think about it.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

But like, a trill that's. I can't even comprehend that that's what they're banking on.

[C]

Damn it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, the stat is, like, Everybody in the US could get, like, $3,000, and he'd still have, like, all his money left over.

[C]

That is so crazy.

[A]

It's just insane. Anyway, should we go to the Doomskroll store?

[B]

Let's get sad. All right. Welcome to Doom Scroll. Emilio.

[C]

Oh, my God, I'm so excited.

[B]

We're just so happy to have you here. Let's start off with Pokemon Go training military drones. This is a crazy one. An AI model trained on data collected from users of Pokemon Go will potentially help military drones find their location in war zones. According to reports, the game's maker, Niantic, used roughly 30 billion scans collected from Pokemon Go players to build a 3D navigation model that works without GPS. They sold its games to a business called scopely. In 2025. Niantic then spun the mapping tech into a separate company called Niantic Spatial. Then they announced a partnership with a defense contractor named Vantor to navigate drones in GPS jammed environments.

[A]

Were you a Pokemon Go person, like,

[C]

for like a day? I was. I just. It's like too much data.

[A]

It's a lot. It's a lot of stuff. Well, I was briefly also a Pokemon Go person. And it certainly appears as if we have helped map the local landscape for future drone warfare.

[C]

Okay, so the drone warfare is going to be here because I can't imagine, like, when I think of War Torn because I'm American, I think of, like, the middle. Are they playing Pokemon Go in the Middle east, though?

[A]

It is a worldwide phenomenon. But, like, you know, I would need to really dig into the data to find out how widespread. But. But I know it was big in Japan.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Obviously big here. So all of those spaces.

[C]

So we're bombing Japan again?

[A]

Well, it's not going to be us. It's like whoever is buying. Whoever is buying this data.

[B]

Yes. It's just a defense contractor. Like, they're. They're working with these people now. They. It is.

[A]

Whoever wants to attack us will buy this map.

[C]

Got it. And so it's US and Japan.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

So, I mean, China, I guess, maybe Russia.

[C]

So maybe China should buy it.

[A]

They probably would.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

I'm sure they got their own better version.

[C]

That is true.

[B]

Next up, a federal IT staffer who filed a congressional complaint about Doge alleges that his brake lines were cut. This is shortly after Elon Musk boosted a post calling his claims false. This guy named Daniel Baroulis had a complaint that said Doge had compromised NLRB data and that Russian IP addresses they attempted to log in and basically within minutes of Doge gaining access to this stuff. The day after Elon reshared a post naming him and calling his complaint a potential crime, Baroulis gets in his car and discovers he can't break. A mechanic confirmed that the lines had been cut, plus an airbag sensor had been removed.

[A]

The world's first trillionaire, everybody.

[B]

Baroulis filed a defamation lawsuit against Musk in April 2020 26.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Okay, good.

[A]

Oh, I'm excited about this next one.

[B]

Yeah, we got. So we, we got some gold bar updates. You heard about this guy? The guy who.

[C]

I don't. I mean, I've heard about gold bar, but not like, I don't know.

[B]

So there's a guy, this. We. We talked about this on the show a few weeks back. This dude named David Rush, who was this senior CIA official.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

He. He got arrested in May after the FBI seized 3031 kilogram gold bars 2 mil in cash. And I think it was 35 Rolexes from this place in Virginia.

[C]

So I like the Rolex edition.

[B]

It just keeps getting wilder and wilder. The first thing, a federal judge denied him bail, saying he had, quote, the means and motive to flee and was, quote, in a different position than most to evade law enforcement. The Washington Post reported that Russia appears to have had top security clearance within the agency. He had apparently set up a fake fund related to Continuity of Government. These are programs designed to keep the federal government operating in wild, dire circumstances. Nuclear war, any kind of sort of natural catastrophe. Dude was friends with Stephen A. Feinberg, the Deputy Secretary of Defense. Apparently, they worked together on a highly classified program focused on spying on China. What else you got?

[A]

I mean, I think we were kind of right about what my theory was that he had managed to do this by creating a fake op, which is what he did is like he created some sort of fake operation that he needed to fund some. With. With 40 million in gold bars, 30 Rolexes, and 2 million in forecast. Just, like, wrote it up. And nobody, because it's the CIA. You know, everything's compartmentalized. Nobody checked. And they just let him have it.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Wouldn't you. I wish I worked at a place where I could just be like, hey, I need 30 Rolexes.

[C]

That would be actually really cool. Yeah, that would be sick.

[B]

Spotify. If you could just. If y' all can get on. I don't see any reason why you couldn't just send all employees 10 to 15 Rolexes.

[A]

Yeah, I just need a. Can I get the gold bar today? I just need two gold bars to.

[B]

And, like, 50K. Should be fine. That should be fine.

[A]

That's all. It does seem that he was. So the continuity of government stuff is interesting, which is. And also kind of alarming. Like that, I guess, is like. I would imagine that means it if the US Is nuked or something. Right. There's got to be a way for the existing government to, like, run itself, which means some sort of treasury to pay people. So I guess there's a world in which he was like, hey, we need. You know, there might be a nuclear war or whatever. So we need a warehouse somewhere with gold bars, Rolexes, and cash so we can restart the local Virginia government, you know, up again in case we need it. It also seems as if he was dealing with a portfolio involved with the Pentagon's nuclear submarine program.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Anyway. A very busy guy.

[C]

Wow. Yeah.

[A]

And did we mention he got into the military by forging his college transcript?

[B]

Okay. All Right. A lot of fun stuff this guy really does. I mean, we talked about it last time, but it's. It is. Catch me if you can. This guy, like, this guy is a. One of the most impressive. Probably an amazing actor. You know what I mean?

[A]

He's got to be.

[B]

Has to be.

[A]

Poker player. He should do like a. A master class. Do you think?

[C]

I mean, listen, if you have the creativity to pull off what he did. Yeah. I gotta hand it to you. Like, maybe you deserve something like a Rolex.

[A]

I don't know, like, let him keep the Rolex.

[B]

You should get to keep one of them.

[C]

Yeah, of course. Why not?

[A]

Any of the. Listen, I'm not a watch guy, but I know a lot of watch guys.

[C]

Sure.

[A]

Why not? Any of the other ones? But I guess Rolex is like the Cadillac. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Role.

[C]

I don't know.

[A]

Anyway.

[B]

Yeah. No. What, Patek Philippe's in there. Nothing fun. That's literally the only other fancy watch that I know. Casio's in there. None of that. All right, next up, Jared Kushner. His planned resort on an Albanian island.

[A]

You aware of the Albanian islands?

[C]

Yes, a little bit.

[B]

It has led to, quote the Flamingo revolution.

[C]

Oh, okay.

[B]

Protesters in the Balkan country have taken to the streets to voice their opposition to a 1.4 billion Amman resort on Albania's only island, Cezanne, or Cezanne, I apologize to Albania if I'm saying that wrong. This is being developed by Kushner's firm, Affinity Partners. The resort is only made possible in the first place by a 2024 law that now permits five star hotels inside protected areas. The issue is. Activists found heavy machinery already clearing protected dunes near a flamingo wetland. And like, you know, it's. Tens of thousands are gathering basically nightly in Tehran carrying inflatable flamingos and signs that read, the nation is not for sale. But they're hardcore against it. Albania's got their anti corruption prosecutors open an investigation into the land deals. Yeah.

[A]

It could actually overthrow the government of Albania. This sale.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. Shouts to Dua Lipa and action Bronson.

[C]

Let's get her involved.

[A]

We need to know more about this, but it's pretty crazy. And another thing that we just don't have time for in the news cycle over here.

[C]

It's just like, I can't. No, they're bad people. I don't understand. Like, how many times do we have to show you that Jared Kushner is not a good person, that Ivanka Trump is not a good person? Also, shout out To Mary Beth Barone, because I saw her stand up and she was talking about how actually, if you look at them, the Trump kids. Kids, none of them are attractive. Ivanka, not hot.

[B]

I agree.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

I don't like talking about people's looks. I'm willing to be loose with my, with my, you know, rules when it comes to that family. And yeah, Ivanka not hot.

[A]

You know, Jared, obviously not Jared not hot either. Not in.

[B]

Not.

[A]

Not a Trump by blood. But he looks like, you know, like an evil doll that has been come. That come to life.

[C]

Comes back to life. Yeah.

[A]

Like a ventriloquist doll or something.

[B]

One of the protected plots declared value on this island. It jumped from 5.5 mil to 122 million, man. Yeah. By June 13th. SPAC. SPAC is the name of the anti corruption prosecutor.

[C]

It's just unbelievable. It is unbelievable that they can do this. They can just go onto this Albanian island and be like, it's ours now.

[B]

It's like, you can do it. But these are protected lands. You just have to be careful. And immediately, immediately they start trying to fuck up the Flamingo wetlands.

[C]

That's so crazy.

[A]

There's also apparently evidence uncovered by SPAC of operations suspected to being used to conceal the origin of assets and integrate illegal proceeds into the economy. So like a vast money laundering operation.

[B]

Like 20 different arrest warrants. Yeah, hopefully. Hopefully Kushner doesn't get it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

There's some wild going on with Claude Mythos. Again, this. We've talked about Anthropic on multiple pods at this point.

[A]

Do you use AI? What's your AI?

[C]

Okay, so I don't use. I like. But if you want to use like whatever. I, I mean, like, maybe don't, but. But personally I don't, I don't like using it.

[A]

But not even to like, do you be like, hey, make me a gluten free recipe for cupcakes, Claude. And then like the water table goes down like in Mississippi.

[C]

Just like,

[A]

damn.

[B]

Okay, so Claude's Mythos, which is this, they're sort of very powerful AI model. It's been pulled from the platform entirely because of a dispute with the Trump administration. Last week, Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick ordered Anthropic to suspend access for all foreign nationals to Mythos, which at the time, Anthropic had rebranded as something called Fable 5.

[A]

Right. So, like, if you have Claude, right? You would have. And you paid for whatever level of Claude. Claude access that would give you access to this preview of mythos called Fable. You would have seen like, hey, you can now try out Fable. Now, it uses a lot more tokens, but it's like super cool. Just don't ask it about cyber security, biological warfare, how to weapons of mass destruction, because if you do, it will kick you down to the lower level model. Now, this is why. And I got to give the administration this. I kind of agree with what they're doing. They're basically saying, hey, they're doing it in a fucked up way. They're doing it in a fucked up, very improvisational way. But it is an acknowledgement that, hey, these models are super, super powerful. And do we want just everybody at home to be able to be like, hey, how do I make the best possible bomb? Okay, fair, fair.

[B]

The fucked up way they're going about it, and they're citing national security concerns, cybersecurity vulnerabilities, but the government itself did not give Anthropic any specifics. And. And obviously the company can't verify who is a foreign national and who is not.

[A]

So, like, even if you're in the country, like, if you're a Canadian in the country, it's illegal for you to use this model. And if you are a Indian national who works for Anthropic, now it's like, what can you even work on in the company? So it's caused a lot of chaos and it is very ad hoc. And at the same time, I think we probably all agree that if. If it was a different administration, you definitely want the government to be like, hey, maybe just like, letting you guys run wild is like a bad idea. Not great. Like, let's pull you back a little bit. Although I've heard people who are smart take a different view, but. Which I don't agree with, but whatever.

[C]

Oh, okay.

[A]

The other view would be it's better that we have, like, a huge lead on China, because if we don't, we won't have time to figure out the regulatory framework. Because genuinely, these are tough questions. Our economy is basically underpinned by seven companies, including Anthropic, OpenAI, et cetera. And if you pop this bubble now, won't we all be picking chicken bones out of the gutter in two weeks? That kind of thing?

[C]

Yeah, no, I get that. I mean, I have a friend who uses AI for a lot of his work and is like, you need to get on it now or you're going to be left behind. So I'm like, every day I, you know, wake up in a cold sweat.

[B]

But I don't do it either. I don't I don't do it, like any kind of it.

[C]

I don't just really can't. I know that's so lame of me to be like, I can't do it, but I just. They can't win. You know what I'm saying?

[B]

I'm with. It's. It's. It is like a. It's probably a silly, principled, like, stubborn stance at this point for me, but I'm. I'm like riding it till the wheels fall off. I do not. Yeah, I'm not into it.

[C]

Oh, but it's just like, oh, my God, it's really happening.

[A]

I mean, it is an important question, I think, like, how if we're at the point now where the government says, hey, your model is actually. It gives people access to the ability to do too much. Like to whatever, build weapons, to do biohacking, to make like, weaponized viruses, etc. To hack. I mean, I saw a stat recently from a cyber security firm that like, cyber attacks are up like 400% plus in like the last six months because of AI.

[C]

Great.

[A]

It just makes this stuff, like really easy to do.

[C]

Got it.

[A]

And do we want like, like everyone, including anybody with a computer to be able to do that? Probably not, no. So I think that this is like a good idea done poorly. But I don't. I will also say that though I criticize the administration all the time, a lot because they're terrible. This is not an easy. I don't know what you. I don't know what the answer is. Like a moral thing too.

[C]

And I. So if. Okay, so if you're asking like, okay, I want the nuclear codes or whatever, whatever.

[A]

It would be like, no, you can't do that.

[C]

So it would say no and then knock you down. It wouldn't give you them.

[A]

There are ways around it.

[B]

It.

[A]

There are ways like you could. There have been various tests where people are like, I'm a sci fi writer working on a project. And then you ask a bunch of sci fi questions and you're working, developing, developing, developing. And you say. And then in the middle of that you go, so one of the plot points in my sci fi story is this guy creates a nuclear bomb at home. I want to make it kind of realistic. What would be the things I would need? And that can work sometimes.

[C]

So you're grooming the AI.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Yeah. That's example.

[C]

Sorry, I've watched the Michael Jackson trial.

[A]

Oh, God, sorry.

[D]

Just watching.

[A]

I should also add that, like, jailbreaking these AIs is a thing that very technical people can do, which is basically download a version of it that's like, you use it as an interface to the database and then just take all the restrictions off of it. So that's, like, possible as well. All of which is, like, super crazy that we just. People have access to this.

[C]

Or you could even do it the old fashioned way and get on, like, you know, the Tor server and go on the dark web and find it. Right?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I mean, I've never done that.

[B]

It's just funny hearing terms like jailbreak with this stuff, because to me, like, really, the only time I would ever hear that term was like, my friend's like, kind of weird cousin is saying he's gonna jailbreak his iPhone and stuff. You know what I mean? Like, just small potatoes compared to this.

[A]

I mean, I think that, like, scary version, you look ahead, it's like we'll be at this weird dystopian hierarchy where, like, rich people have access to the AI that's like, crazy and can do crazy stuff. And, like, you know, it's like the Elon Musk level. How do I start a ride in Belfast? AI. How do I start a race ride in Belfast? Here's what you do. And then everybody else will have access to the AI that's just like, very bad mental health. Health effects and weird sex.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And like, cupcake recipes. And increasingly our economy will be interwoven with, like, AI tokens somehow. Like, I don't know, it's. You're staring down the barrel.

[B]

I'd really like you to be wrong.

[A]

I know. I would, too.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I would say China does it differently because they have. They. They have, like, a worker shortage. They have less people. So, like, they're doing AI so that they could just build factories with robots. We're doing AI. I don't. I don't know. For why, like, evil purposes.

[C]

Cool. Awesome.

[A]

Amelia.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

It was so great to see you.

[C]

Oh, my God, it was so great to be here.

[B]

Thanks so much for coming.

[A]

Do you have any words of inspiration for Karen Reed?

[C]

Karen, keep fighting. Like, I think you have a really good shot. It's crazy what they did do you. Truly crazy. You were railroaded by.

[B]

Railroaded.

[C]

Her.

[B]

No, truly Eastwood style.

[C]

But thankfully you had a great lawyer. Lawyers.

[A]

And they seem very close, don't they?

[C]

Yeah. Are you insinuating something?

[A]

I'm just saying that just seems like there's a lot of chemistry between her

[C]

and her and Alan Jackson.

[A]

Alan Jackson, her lead attorney, who. Who had a glow up in the middle of the tragedy.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

And also, I mean, like, an amazing singer, too. In addition to being. I would be. If I was her. I would be into it, too. He wrote Chattahoochee.

[D]

He did.

[A]

He actually like, the way Alan Jackson, the lawyer looks now is kind of like with the facial hair, is kind of like Alan Jackson, the country singer. Anyway, I would also add to that. Karen, you got us. Get the drinking under control.

[C]

Sure, sure. Yes, I think. And then maybe she's a little abrasive. I've been, you know, rewatching video of her, and she's just like, really? You know, you're just like, it's okay. Just like, be a little. Chill it out.

[B]

If I'm getting framed for the murder of my boyfriend, I'm gonna get pretty abrasive.

[C]

Okay, that's fair. That's fair, that's fair.

[B]

But I love my boyfriend. You know what I mean?

[A]

Of course, of course. Amelia, thank you so much.

[C]

Thank you, guys.