MSG’s Surveillance Machine and the NBA Gambling Ring, With Wosny Lambre

Summary

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Wait a Second…

Episode: MSG’s Surveillance Machine and the NBA Gambling Ring

Release Date: April 23, 2026
Hosts: Jason Concepcion, Tyler Parker
Guest: Wosny Lambre

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Overview

This episode explodes two of the weirdest recent headlines in sports and pop culture: the shocking revelations about Madison Square Garden’s high-tech surveillance network under James Dolan’s leadership, and the rapidly expanding scandal linking NBA insiders to a mafia-backed gambling ring. The always-irreverent panel of Jason Concepcion, Tyler Parker, and Wosny Lambre blends incredulity, humor, and sharp critique to go down the “rabbit hole” of privacy, sports corruption, and WTF news that breaks your group chat.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. MSG & James Dolan’s Surveillance Machine

[03:00–28:40]

The Wired Exposé:

• Wired published a deeply reported story ("Shocking Secrets of Madison Square Garden Surveillance Machine") revealing how Dolan’s team tracks, bans, and surveils not just ticketholders but even low-level antagonists.
• Examples:
  • Tracking a transgender Knicks fan by logging bathroom time ([03:43]).
  • Banning & tracking fans who wore “Sell the Team” shirts or shouted at Dolan ([03:55]).
  • Extending surveillance to related properties (Radio City, The Sphere) and even outside venue boundaries ([16:25]).
  • Monitoring employees of law firms litigating against Dolan; facial recognition is used to ban entire firms ([15:29], [16:20]).
  • Response: MSG called the Wired story “false, misleading, and unverified allegations” ([03:36]).

“Dolan’s security operation extended beyond the confines of MSG... The banned list includes employees of law firms involved in lawsuits against Dolan Properties and fans who wore ‘Sell the team’ shirts or said or yelled at Dolan to sell the team.” – Jason ([03:43])

Firsthand Experiences:

• Wosny fears his own possible inclusion on “the list,” recalling episodes about Knicks on NBA Desktop that likely upset Dolan.
• Going through media entry at MSG is purposely avoided by many to dodge PR scrutiny ([04:44]).

Surveillance Beyond MSG & Data Harvesting in All Arenas:

• Jason & Wosny note MSG is only an outlier in how actively and punitively Dolan deploys tech, not in what tech he's using.
• Every modern arena is gathering biometrics, WiFi signals, and personal data (especially through venue apps). Example: new Clippers’ Intuit Dome requires use of app and incentivizes facial recognition for speedy entry and concessions ([08:42–10:32]).
• Intuit Dome tracks cheers & movement (“behavioral reinforcement system”) to give loyal fans rewards ([10:56]).
• Venues can triangulate patrons' home/work WiFi and sell data to brokers, who then share it with government agencies ([12:19]).

“If you do connect to the WiFi, you’re probably giving it your email address, your phone number, your contact list, your social media profiles, and all that stuff gets chopped up... the arena sells it, passes it on to a data broker vendor, and then that stuff goes everywhere.” – Jason ([12:20])

Dolan’s Petty Score-Settling

• Panel riffs on the absurdity of Dolan’s vendettas: banning lawyers, levying trespassing summons, targeting critics.
• Dolan’s actions have PR/governmental risks, highlighted by liquor board lawsuits and his retaliation via Fox 5 NY, airing personal information of regulators ([20:11], [21:24]).

Humor and Character Studies:

• The hosts repeatedly call Dolan “a loser doing loser shit” ([13:23], [59:11]), and find his obsession with critics both petty and comedic.
• Legendary anecdotes about Dolan’s band, JD & The Straight Shot, and his libtard moment writing a post-Weinstein song (“I Should Have Known”) ([57:58]).

"Everything involving James Dolan is pretty funny, ‘cause he’s such a loser. Like, just loser vibes all over him. If you don’t know, paying Jewel to go on tour with her… I mean, that’s crazy.” – Wosny ([56:31])

The Broader Surveillance State

• Parallel drawn to the “palantirification” of society, with facial recognition and behavioral monitoring in restaurants, stadiums, public spaces ([23:19]).
• Joke/fear that McDonald’s kiosk photoed and databased a fugitive, not just an employee “recognizing” them ([23:33]).
• Hosts fret the increasing role of this tech in policing and how its failures disproportionately hit minorities ([27:02]).

2. NBA Gambling Ring Scandal

[37:38–54:03]

The Bust:

• Chauncey Billups (Blazers coach, NBA champ) implicated in mafia-run fixed poker games using invisible ink, marked cards, hacked shufflers, and hidden cameras. Damon Jones set to plead guilty for two schemes: illegal game-fixing and selling insider injury info ([38:16], [38:32]).
• Anchoring presence of Gambino associate “Fat Nick Manucci,” infamous for a hate crime ([39:55]), underlining the mob’s ongoing if diminished reach.
• Billups and Jones acted as “face cards” to reassure gullible whales and marks at the illicit games ([41:39]).
• The panel is shocked at the small payouts (“Stroud wired Billups $50,000... That’s what he was paid to be the face card.” – Jason, [45:21]).
• Insider tips included injury info regarding LeBron and other Lakers, with six-figure bets placed just before the info went public ([54:30]).

"The guys who actually orchestrated and organized and benefited the most from the crime... this is the Five Families. But Cash Patel was like, Damon Jones!" – Wosny ([50:02])

The Mechanics of Cheating:

• Tech-enhanced cheating involved deck scanners, X-ray tables, marked cards read with contacts. One rival mob group had their rig “heisted” at gunpoint ([46:25], [41:13]).

NBA Context, Integrity, and Fallout:

• Discussion of how degenerate gambling culture persists among pro athletes, and how the lure of side deals or recouping gambling debts may have drawn Jones, Billups, and others into organized crime’s orbit ([42:30], [43:27]).
• Social commentary on why only Black NBA figures are the public fall guys while the (mostly white) mob remains backgrounded ([50:02]).

Other Betting Scandals

• The panel connects to other integrity threats: egregiously dumb prop betting (Jontay Porter injury bets) but hints that smarter, harder-to-detect schemes could still be ongoing ([52:26–54:16]).

3. Lucid Score: Rating the Dolan Surveillance Story

[56:16–59:02]
The “Lucid Score” (1-4 scale):

• Legs (public staying power): 2.5/4—Likely to fade as a conversation soon.
• Unintentional Comedy: 4/4—Dolan’s pettiness is inherently farcical.
• Sinisterness: 4/4—Extremely sinister in scale and precedent.
• Intrigue: 1.5/4—Somewhat numbing due to ubiquity of the practice; not truly new.
• Danger: 0/4—No physical threat to reporters or fans, just institutional dominance.

“There’s nothing anybody can do. Like, you’re done. These people are down with the most powerful people on planet Earth.” – Wosny ([59:35])

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On data harvesting in stadiums:

  “Any arena that you walk into has this stuff. It may just be that these other owners are wiser in the way that they broadcast how they use it.” – Jason ([08:42])

• On Dolan’s psychology:

  “I have a theory... all your anxieties stay there. They’re the same. But now you have all this money to throw at it.” – Jason ([21:50])

• On the comps of current and Stern-era league governance:

  “Adam Silver’s kind of become my whipping boy... It’s just very hard for me to imagine this would happen under David Stern that this shit could come out, and it would be like, yo, bro, you have to cut this out.” – Wosny ([17:02])

• On advancing drone, AI, and surveillance paranoia:

  “We were growing up, this idea that technology was going to be used to open up the world... everybody’s woken up to like, no, it’s not. It’s only used for money and oppression.” – Wosny ([25:31])

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Additional Segments & Timestamps

Doom Scroll: Lightning Round on Current Group Chat Catnip Stories

[60:54–79:47]

Diana Rossini & Mike Vrabel “Resortgate” ([61:04–66:16])

• NFL insider Rossini papped poolside with coach Vrabel, then resigns and “rescues” a man from a car wreck the next day—publicity maneuver? Panel expresses skepticism over media coverage and internal double standards.

The Onion Buys InfoWars ([67:25])

• The satirical outlet will parody Alex Jones with Tim Heidecker at the helm, in a move backed by Sandy Hook families. Jason, Tyler, and Wosny discuss the surreality of the transfer and Jones’ reaction.

Cash Patel Suing The Atlantic ([69:36])

• Humor at the expense of the embattled, reportedly drunk and paranoid FBI director, and wild details from the exposé.

UAPs / UFOs & Missing Scientist Conspiracies ([72:42])

• Quick hits on recent UFO/alien scientist intrigue, with skepticism about lack of good evidence or real-time relevance.

RFK Jr. Raccoon Penis Anecdote ([77:26])

• Hysterical reading and dissection of RFK’s unverified claim that he cut the penis off a raccoon in front of his kids, for “scientific study.”

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Conclusion

This episode moves effortlessly from deeply reported sports scandal, to acute paranoia about digital privacy and biometric data, to darkly comic asides on the farce of power in modern sports (and America). The panel contextualizes how Dolan’s personal beefs clash with surveillance capitalism, and how the NBA’s real risk isn’t just a few degenerate gamblers, but the normalization of absolute monitoring and control across all “public” venues.

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For the Curious: Segment Locations

• MSG Surveillance Discussion: [03:00–28:40]
• Facial Recognition Tech in Sports: [10:32–14:41], [28:54–30:43]
• Lucid Score Segment: [56:16–59:55]
• NBA Gambling Ring: [37:38–54:16]
• Doom Scroll & News Roundup: [60:54–79:47]

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Tone & Language

The discussion bristles with mockery, incredulity, and a healthy willingness to name “loser vibes” in powerful places; the camaraderie and sharp humor makes dense and dour topics both urgent and darkly funny.

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Perfect For:

• Anyone alarmed (or fascinated) by the collision of sports, surveillance, and petty billionaire insecurity.
• Listeners looking for a mix of deep reporting, cultural critique, and raucous banter.

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Transcript

[A]

It's 1994 and you're standing on Park Avenue shooting what will become your most acclaimed role. Your name is Linda Fiorentino and the film is the Last Seduction. You do not know yet that it will air on cable before it hits theaters, and that technicality will keep you from Oscar consideration. Right now, the light is good, the director is happy, and a cab driver missed his light because he was looking at you. After a decade in the business, you are thinking that this is the beginning of something. Years later, you're sitting across from the notorious Hollywood private eye. A producer has ripped you off. Money, a credit. The specifics will blur. And Anthony Pellicano says that he can help, so you hire him. Many will wonder if your relationship was more than just business because years after that, you meet an FBI agent at Elaine's on Second Avenue. He's from Washington. He does counterterrorism, and within weeks he will transfer to New York to be closer to you. He'd do anything for you. Oh, really? Because now that he mentions it, your old friend Anthony is in a bit of trouble. He's on trial for racketeering, identity theft, illegal wiretaps. He's the kind of operator who is left a dead fish on a nosy reporter's windshield with a rose in its mouth and a sign that said stop. So the FBI agent sits at his desk at the bureau and types a name into a computer. Anthony Pellicano. He does this 40 times. Then he prints a confidential document and hands it to you over dinner. And you give it right to the privatized lawyers. Anthony is convicted and sentenced to 15 years. The agent loses his career, but powerful men take care of those who take care of them. And later, later, when the agent is wrapped up in a scheme to bribe the governor of Puerto Rico, the reality star turned president makes it go away. And you. You discover that what you thought was the beginning was actually the end. And you quietly retire. This week on Wait a Second. We're talking about James Dolan in arena surveillance, gambling busts, and the weirdest year in the nb. Welcome to Wait a Second. I'm Jason Concepcion. That's Tyler Parker.

[B]

What's up?

[A]

Today we're joined by the co host. Co host.

[B]

Co host. Yeah.

[A]

Co host of no Fouls Given. Wozni Lambre. Great to have you in studio.

[B]

I'm happy to be here.

[A]

I wish we had overlapped more significantly.

[B]

That would have been sick.

[A]

And today we're going to talk about. We're going to talk about the Knicks. We're Going to talk about Madison Square Garden. We're going to talk about James Dolan. In the wake of this wired piece that came out in collaboration with Pablatori finds out titled the Shocking Secrets of Madison Square Garden Surveillance Machine, written by Noah Schachman and Robert Silverman. Full disclosure, I wrote a book with Robert Silverman, so that's my guy. Some key takeaways from the piece. The Knicks gave up an absolutely atrocious loss to the Hawks last night. That's the first takeaway.

[B]

That's the takeaway from the surveillance.

[A]

First things first things first. Despicable loss. It can't be. Where Jalen Brunson and whoever passes Jalen Brunson the ball are the only guys that touch the ball for multiple possessions at a time. That can't be the case.

[B]

Right?

[A]

Carl Anthony Towns is like popping out and you just know he's not going to get the ball. Like he's got it. Whatever. Other takeaways, MSG Security intensely tracked the movements of a transgender Knicks fan who is going so far as to log the amounts of time she spent in the bathroom. Dolan's security operation extended beyond the confines of MSG to his other related properties. Radio City. The Sphere Pablo on this pod talks about an anecdote in which MSG calls the cops on a Colorado teen who was apparently taking shots at Dolan online. MSG banned. The banned list includes employees of law firms involved in lawsuits against Dolan Properties and fans who wore Sell the team shirts or said or yelled at Dolan to sell the team. And we should say that MSG has issued a response saying that the story was false, misleading and unverified allegations. Have you had. What is it like to report from msg?

[B]

Man? You know what's so funny? I've only ever been there under our current jobs once and I did not go. I just. I didn't want to deal with MSG pr. Cause I've heard they're infamous. I've heard things. So what ended up happening is I was friends with somebody who's an employee and I just ended up getting taken to the media section and I saw my guy bond temps. I saw. Who else did I see? I saw a few people. Ian Begley, Grady and Begley. Yeah, I saw a few. Fred Katz, Freddy. Yeah. So I saw all my New York guys in the media section, but I didn't go through msg. And when I had went, this was after. Cause Ethan had put out something about the kid who was talking shit about Dolan online getting harassed at the Game. Right, right, right. And so I was, like, very conscious of this as I'm walking. I. I mean, I'm sure I've said shit about James Dolan in my life. I might even said it on Bill, which is like, you know, an easy way to get noticed for saying something. But I've only ever been once, and I didn't do. I didn't go through the media channels, the PR channels.

[A]

Yeah. My main thought reading this very lengthy piece was that my name's gotta be like, they have to have me on something. I did go to a game. Like, I went to a Christmas Day game two years ago. Didn't seem to be a problem.

[B]

Did you go as media. Did you get a regular ticket?

[A]

No, I just got a regular ticket.

[C]

Yeah, but surely they can, I guess, activates too, right? Like, that's got to be. That's got a trip. Yeah.

[A]

Maybe the facial recognition wasn't, like, on point. Maybe. Maybe I look terrible now. Like, I look differently.

[B]

Different. I think that's somewhere else.

[C]

I was about to say, wait a

[A]

second, I look significantly different or something. But, you know, but like, I've on stuff that I used to do here at the Ringer. NBA Desktop. We had a sell the team episode of NBA Desktop. We had an episode where, you know, we set the Knicks tragedies to the. To the tune of Les Mis experience. A membership that backs what you're building with American Express Business platinum. Unlock over $3,500 in business and travel value annually with statement credits on select purchases from brands like Dell, Hilton and Adobe and other benefits. American Express Business Platinum. There's nothing like it. Based on total potential value of statement credits on select purchases and other benefits, enrollments required monthly and other limits and terms apply. Learn [e-mail] Business Platinum. This summer, serve up the Cookout Classics, Heinz Ketchup and Kraft Singles. Every good burger needs a layer of perfectly melty cheese and thick, rich ketchup. We all know it's not a cookout without Heinz and Kraft, but this is like. This is. I'll say this, I'll defend Dolan in this way. While it certainly seems like Dolan is an outlier in terms of the way he is willing to use these technologies and his own kind of private security force as tools against people he does not like. Like people who yell sell the team at him, et cetera, any arena that you walk into has this stuff. And it may just be that these other owners are wiser in the way that they broadcast how they use it because Like Intuit Dome is one that I think of like, have you been before?

[B]

Clippers game.

[A]

So, first of all, you can't get in without downloading the app. The app is harvesting all kinds of data from your phone. They do take your biometrics. You can opt out of it, but it's like one line is you just go straight through. The other line goes around the arena.

[C]

Which one are you gonna pick?

[B]

Sentence structure. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Well, it's also like, if you're. It extends to the concession stands areas. Right. So if you're going to try to go get something to eat fast and get back to your seat like they want you to. Yeah. It almost only makes sense for you to do the facial recognition or else you're having to stand there and deal with one of the people who's working it, who is only sometimes there, and then you got to hand them a credit card. And there's a whole process is everything is incentivized, like, hey, just show us your face.

[B]

I went very early on into the first Clipper season at Intuit, did the whole thing. The app did download the facial recognition. For a fact. I never uploaded my payment information. So I got a dog, a burger and a pizza for free.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Oh, yeah. It never. Cause they encourage you to just take the shit.

[C]

Yeah. They want you to just keep it pushing.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah, right?

[B]

Never got charged. But you didn't have to.

[C]

You didn't.

[A]

Allegedly.

[B]

Legend, you want your 50 bucks? Come find me.

[C]

It feels like he's doing well, like

[B]

he's spirit, so I did. Could you.

[C]

Could you get through the gate though? Or are you going. Are you at a. At a different area where you can't just.

[B]

So I was. It was in the Gray Goose Lounge. I don't know what the sponsor is now, but you go in and it's like almost like a cavity. You grab. Oh, no.

[C]

Tyler,

[A]

I'm so sorry. We're all good. It's.

[C]

I grabbed, cuz.

[B]

You said grab. And

[A]

what were we talking about? We were talking about the Intuit. Intuit is not necessarily special in this way, but they take your data and they do lots of stuff with it. Intuit, I think, is kind of like on the forefront in the way that it collects data about you. They have a system called the behavioral reinforcement system. You know about this?

[B]

No.

[A]

So they have. They have Bluetooth and ultra wideband sensors in the seats, so they know how loud you are cheering and if you're standing up a lot, like if you're engaged and they. And they take that and they make it a score. And that they say can be used like, if you have a good score, to get promotions on tickets, you know, breaks on food, et cetera, et cetera.

[C]

But I think they often announce like, this was the loudest fan of the game because they were the. Their seat was whatever.

[A]

And, you know, not to single them out. MSG does this too. But they take your. All the data that they get from you go somewhere else. So, for instance, if you connect to arena WI fi, which don't connect to arena WI fi, but if you do use a vpn, but even if you don't, your phone is like looking for signals all the time, right? So when it's looking like, hey, is there a WI fi here? Is there a cell tower here? It's telling the sensors that are looking for that. Like, here's the names of my, like, the WiFi's that I connect to a lot. So it knows your home WI FI address and name. It knows your work WI fi address and name probably.

[C]

Right?

[A]

And then. And from that, they, you know, they know where you work now, they know where you live, and they can triangulate all sorts of stuff. If you do connect to the WI fi, you're probably giving it your email address, your phone number, your contact list, your social media profiles, and all that stuff gets like, chopped up. The arena sells, it passes it on to a data broker vendor, and then that stuff goes everywhere. One of the ways that the government right now avoids having to get warrants for people, especially with the immigration enforcement that's gone on, is rather than have to go to a judge and be like, I want to search this person's computer, et cetera, they just go on the open market and be like, has this person been to an arena? Like, has their phone connected to any public wifi? What can I get? What can I just buy? And that's how they will get information that goes to dhs, the FBI, and that's every arena. So while Dolan is. He comes away, like looking like a madman on this.

[C]

He goes away. These are like the behaviors. And a loser. I think that's another thing that needs to be established. Like, this is a loser who's doing loser shit.

[A]

Let me get the profile. And then the full face like this.

[C]

Oh, yeah, sorry, I'm not gonna go to. I'm not gonna go to a nick game anytime soon. It'll be fine.

[B]

It's just so petty. It feels like with Dolan, where he's score settling with Internet dudes. Yeah, like, okay, Internet dude said you should sell the team. Then came the MSG and paid to sit there. Like, he put money in your pocket.

[C]

Yeah, that's a win for you.

[B]

But he's so, I guess, insecure. He's such an insecure guy that this kind of stuff drives him up a wall. And I just find it to be kind of funny, to be honest. And it's just so funny that this drops literally in the most competent, consistently competent era of Knicks basketball.

[A]

That's the thing.

[B]

30 years, literally 20 plus.

[A]

20 plus for short.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah, I guess you could say the Sprewell years was like three, four years. Yeah, this has been. Yeah, but like since the Pat Riley years, which he, you know, he wasn't involved in. Cause his daddy hadn't given him the team yet.

[A]

Not fully. Had not fully given him control.

[B]

And yo, by the way, from reading Ethan and watching Pablo, and I guess this might have been before he sold the Tao Group, which is like, Tao, the restaurant, Lavo, all this other shit, I was like, man, am I gonna be able to go to these fucking places?

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

You know what I mean? Like, it's so weird. Like, I, like, I was just like, man, I would be mortified if I showed up to the fucking Tao in Hollywood.

[A]

And they're like.

[B]

And somebody invited me for drinks and

[A]

they're like, you can't come in.

[B]

Not kid. Yeah, you're not on. You're on a certain list.

[C]

You'll get handed some like you're trespassing summons from them. That's like, what happens to those people that go to MSG that try to get in or whatever, they get hand. They're literally handed like, you are trespassing.

[A]

So some of the. Some of the. Some of the big. Some of the biggest things that MSG and associated properties have done is one, there's the lawyer ban. This one's kind of famous. It dates back to 2018. Any law firm that is involved in any kind of litigation against a Dolan associated business. Dolan used the. And his head of security used like the photos of the people that are on the website for the law firm, fed that into the facial recognition. And now like every employee of that company cannot enter an MSG related property. So there's a story in there about like a lady who's a, like administrative assistant at a law firm and she was trying to go to her daughter

[C]

to see like the Rockettes at Christmas time.

[B]

That's nuts.

[C]

And they turn her away.

[A]

There is the Targeted surveillance, as you said, about the transgender fan and also the teenage fan in Colorado. And the fact that the surveillance now kind of, like, extends out into the street. Like, they'll see you coming on the block. Once you step on the block, they'll be like, that one. They'll.

[C]

They'll follow people, you know, well beyond the bounds of MSG proper. They'll also. He'll. He'll send people hundreds of miles away to just go try to spy on Charles Oakley so he can dig up some shit on him.

[B]

So, you know, another. And I hate to do this again because, like, Adam Silver's kind of become, like, my whipping boy.

[C]

Sure.

[B]

And he's just very hard for me to imagine this would happen under David Stern, that, like, this shit could come out, and it would be like, yo, bro, you have to cut this out. Yeah, we're not telling you how to run your team, but, like, this is unnecessary, and it's bad for our product to be having this kind of public relations out there to the fans. Like, and it's like, it's making it hot for everybody else, where it's like, wait a minute. Everybody else's facial recognition and selling people's data and all of that stuff. It's like, Adam couldn't be bothered to be like, yo, Dolan. Like, come on, bro.

[A]

I mean, recall that the. The Donnie Walsh. Isaiah Thomas gears had gotten. Had become so toxic at a certain point that David Stern was like, you gotta hire Donnie Walsh. Sorry. You gotta do it. You have to. I'm making you hire former Pacers GM Donnie Walsh. You must hire him.

[B]

Who was really good in his job.

[A]

He was great. He was great in his job.

[B]

Like, he got fired. Cause he was like, maybe we shouldn't trade 80 picks and all of our young players for Carmelo Anth. Like, we could sign the guy outright in the summer. Like, maybe we could just chill out.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And then got fired. Shit canned. One of the best GMs in recent memory.

[A]

He was a very solid GM and kind of snick GMs. He had established kind of like a proto culture that was not really allowed to take root before they flipped the script. But it's actually kind of a model for what they're doing now in the sense of, you know, the Knicks aren't doing anything different than they used to do, which is, like, hunt stars. They're just doing it in a smarter, more systematic way, which is what Johnny Walsh was, like, trying to do. And I will say that Dolan. Part of Dolan's argument He went on, like, Fox 5, and he talked about. Well, with the. With the facial recognition and the lawyers, you know, if you don't want somebody in your house, they're trespassing in your house, why should you let him in your house? Right. And now the thing that makes that not work.

[C]

The least charismatic dude in the world trying to talk you into this.

[A]

The reason that that doesn't work as, like, a metaphor is, I mean, for one, msg gets, like, $400 million in tax breaks a year. Like, they. They pay no property taxes.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Because they're a public utility, a public good, a public space, public trust. And so it's like, you know, you're talking about, like, a billion plus in money that stays in Dolan's pocket because of the position of the place it sits on, a major transit infrastructure. There's, you know, the fact that.

[B]

Unbelievable. Where the Knicks are located in Manhattan.

[C]

It's crazy.

[B]

Really sit and think about it. It's literally in the middle of the city with all of these great transit options. To get there, you know, you could walk to various places. Like, it's just in an unbelievable part of the city.

[A]

One of my favorite things that he did is now because of there's been various lawsuits related to the lawyer thing.

[B]

Dolan talking to Lisa Evers, by the way, is just one of the funniest things that could possibly. It probably wasn't Lisa Evers, but that's who's in my head. Like, this guy went on Fox 5 like, this guy is nuts, dude.

[A]

What's your favorite local news? New York news.

[B]

My guy was Ernie Anastasia.

[A]

Ernie Anastasia? Yeah.

[B]

That was my guy. Didn't he pass away?

[A]

He did pass away, I believe Connie Chung and Ernie Anastasis.

[B]

Connie Chung is a legend.

[A]

Yeah, those are my two.

[B]

Definitely the two.

[A]

So because of a suit related to the lawyer thing, the state liquor license board got involved. Whoa. Because MSG is. Is legally a place of public accommodation, and any place that is legally presented as that, they have to get their liquor license, like, updated all the time. And if you have you service more than 2,500 people, you have to do that. But constantly. Well, because of this lawsuit in the ban, the liquor board was like, we're going to review your license. Dolan goes on Fox 5, holds up a photo of the head of the liquor board, announces the guy's address on the air.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

And says, hey. Something to the effect of, if you want to let this guy know how unhappy you are that the government is reaching its tentacles of a beloved Institution like Madison Square Garden, Send him a letter or call him up or whatever.

[B]

I mean, this guy is a maniac.

[A]

I mean, I have a theory because, you know, you always hear like, money doesn't buy happiness. And that's true, but we always have this perception, like, man, if I had a billion dollars, you couldn't tell me nothing. I'd have buy a mansion somewhere. And whatever anybody said, I wouldn't care. But in reality, what happens, I think, is all your anxieties stay there. They're the same. But now you have all this money to throw at it, and you're like, you know, and where, like, some guy comes at me, whatever, in the comments of a YouTube video or on the. On the BS subreddit, I saw the people who were like, you know, oh, I see the ringers doing. Pablo finds out they got their own. It's not because he's another Philippine. It's not because it's like both hunks are Filipino. Yes, it was. It was. Yes, it was. Because. Yes, it was. But if I. I fight several billion dollars, I could imagine being like, hey, find out who that guy is. Go, let's just find out about what can we find out about that guy?

[B]

I had those feelings before, and I

[A]

think that's what's going on here. And I think, if anything, I. I think you said something smart, which is like. Like he's making the block hot for all these other arenas who have this technology, and who knows what they're doing with it? But now it's like, people are. Because of him, people are being like, wait, what are you doing with my face? Like, how long do you keep it for? Where does it go, bro?

[B]

These are excellent questions. And then, you know, you just see the palantirification of every single space. And look, I don't want it. Get crazy.

[C]

Get crazy.

[B]

I don't want to.

[A]

You know, that's what this place is for.

[B]

But, like, there's certain, like, I got certain conspiracy theories.

[A]

Yes, let's hear it.

[B]

Where like, motherfuckers is like, oh, some old lady at the McDonald's in Altoona recognized Luigi Mangione.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Fuck out of here.

[B]

Yeah, that's not what happened. That McDonald's kiosk took his fucking picture and put that motherfucker in a database. Yeah, you know, I see all this Waymo shit. And like, man, we. We were in San Francisco for All Star Weekend, and it's the last night is Sunday night. And I went to one thing and I went to this other thing, and they were like selling tacos and I'm drunk and I'm having tacos. And it's the end of the night. And so it's like a fleet of these fucking Waymos coming down one. I'm just like, this is just surveillance San Francisco.

[C]

There are. If you have not been in San Francisco now there are so many Waymos, it's impossible. It's impossible to overstate how many Waymos are there now.

[B]

So a fleet comes driving down the block, orderly. It's almost like a Nazi march, but robotic. Because I'm drunk and I'm just in my whatever. And I'm like, they gonna put guns on those things one day?

[A]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[C]

They shoot us. They're already swiveling.

[B]

That's what they're going to do.

[A]

Recently in Ukraine, in occupied Ukraine, the Ukrainians won a battle. They took a position. I don't know if you could call it a battle, technically, but they took a Russian position using only robots.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

They just rolled little ATVs with guns and shit on them and had drones overhead and took the foxhole.

[C]

I love it.

[B]

And to me, this is all related, you know what I mean? Like, this idea. And I think people are waking up to it. Cause I think when we were growing up, this idea that technology was going to be used to open up the world.

[A]

We're going to cure cancer, man.

[B]

We're going to be connected. You're going to be able to talk to somebody in Beijing from Bayside, Queens. Yes. You know what I mean? It's like all of this utopian shit, and everybody's woken up to like, no, it's not. It's only used for money and oppression. Like, they're never going to use this shit to help us.

[C]

Whatever good thing that exists that they could do with this stuff, even if that stuff gets done, you're gonna get

[A]

a break on concessions and into it.

[C]

Exactly. Even when it's this little. Even if it's. When it's this. You know, it's possible for there to be these little incremental goods along the way. These people that are in charge of these tech companies that are doing this stuff, they seem too depraved to stop at just the good stuff. They just go beyond.

[B]

Cause here's my thing, too. It's like. And I get it, I'm getting really crazy. But, like, I've lost all trust in all of these tech institutions. But it's like, you know, you get in a way mo, and you're like, I'm going to the Mall.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And. But you got a police warrant and they lock you in the car and then just take you to the.

[A]

Oh yeah, that will happen. I'm sure that will happen.

[B]

100%. That's where they're gonna take that.

[A]

That will happen period.

[B]

100.

[A]

That will happen. And.

[B]

And it won't be because you actually. It's just like, no, we want to talk to you. Yeah, you got in that Waymo facial recognition haul his ass off.

[A]

And by the way, I mean this will surprise no one, but like testing on facial recognition algorithms have proven that it's less accurate on darker skin faces. So of course that's where they're going to be making. They're going to be making the mistakes on Saturday.

[C]

Sorry, buddy. I'm going to be fine.

[A]

Sorry about it. Sorry about that. And it's hard for me. I'm watching the game the other night and I'm thinking, I wonder if David Zaslav is worried about it sitting courtside or any of these other folks. Like, how much do you think Timothy Chalamet is like, man, they got me.

[C]

I mean one of the things Chalamet, he's gonna be real careful when he goes on 7th of Brooklyn next time so he doesn't say anything wr the like. Is that what it's called? 7th of Brooklyn, 7pm 7pm my bad. Sorry.

[B]

I got tune day.

[C]

Sorry. Mellow. Sorry. They talked. They. One of. One of the points in the piece that I thought was so interesting was that whenever Dolan did do what he did to Oakley initially and you know, have him carried out of msg by like 7 security and police officers or whatever else, that. That was kind of a shot across the bow of like, we'll do this to Oak.

[A]

Yeah, no, for sure.

[C]

We'll do this to a fan favorite.

[B]

Like, do this to anyone.

[C]

If you think I won't do this to some. I will do this to anyone.

[A]

Now Oak is a wild guy, sure. But yeah, you come on like you wouldn't see this at any other. Any other team that especially one that really has tried in the last 15 years or so to like invest itself in the legacy and history of the teams that have been good in that building.

[B]

Yeah, the Nets would never do this to Jason Williams,

[C]

Mirza Toledovich. He's not getting treated like that.

[A]

So other. Other. Other places that do this, that use facial recognition. NFL, all 32 stadiums, of course, use a. A facial authentication for staff. While the Cleveland Browns and Atlanta Falcons have fan facing versions. Gillette Stadium is implementing it for the 2026 World Cup. So within a few weeks that will be active there. MLB has seven stadiums using Go ahead facial recognition entry. The Phillies, the Astros, the Giants, Nationals, Royals, Reds and Rays, Citi Field and Course Field use different kind of facial capture hardware. The NBA and the NHL is Intuit, which uses game face id, Capital One arena, the Wizards and the Capitals, which by the way, if you're going into the Wizards game, they should put your face like go on a poster. What are you doing?

[C]

It's the behavior of a deviant.

[B]

Wizards, come on.

[A]

Prudential center, the Devils have a similar system. UBS arena for the Islanders, Amarant bank arena, which is the Carolina Panthers and then special venue SOFI and the Sphere Adolan property use persistent facial enrollment to automatically archive and search every face that enters. And of course, you know, read your Terms of service. Here's a good usage for, you know, if you've got a free account to chat, GPT or clut, just take your terms of service, drop it in there and be like, what is. You don't even need like a paid account to do this. And just be like, what does this mean? And it'll tell you, like how long they used your face for, how long they might save it for and where it goes, what they might sell it for. I mean we actually, it'd be interesting to know like, what the. What the actual economy, like, what.

[C]

I really hope my face catches a really high price. I hope they're paying top dollar for my face. I'm sure they're not, by the way.

[B]

And there's like tech people who, like, I follow and you know, I follow their work. And they're more, what's the word? They're more trusting of where this is all going. Like what they'll say is like, nobody's sending your individual name, address, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You fit into a profile of a person and they setting it off so that Facebook can sell you jeans with seven zippers on them.

[C]

Sure.

[B]

Right, right. And that it's not this hyper focused on you type of thing. But I just like. Like it's sitting there.

[A]

Yeah, I would have believed that before AI because now the thing is they don't need a guy, you know, they don't need a guy reading your file. They just feed it into the thing and it'll be like, boop, boop, boop.

[B]

This guy, this is probably who it is.

[A]

Yeah, this guy fits the profile of this. I should like, I searched, I don't know why I searched cowboy hats the other day. And Now I'm getting all these ads on the. On the playoff game for, like, tech of Us for Western year.

[C]

Tech of is really. You're going to be getting a lot of ass from tech of us. I've. As someone who has purchased Cowboy Boost before and checked tech of his site and not bought tech of us, yeah, I'm getting a lot of activity from Tech of us at all times, really.

[A]

What do you think Adam Silver could do? Like, we mentioned that David Stern basically forced Donnie Walsh on the Knicks. But, like, what could he actually say? And what do you think Stern would do if this was going on right now?

[B]

So I think it's just. You just play dirty. Like, for instance, like, the Utah Jazz doing their egregious fucking tanking frozen envelope your ass. You getting the worst pick possible. Watch. And I dare you to prove it. Right? Yeah, right. Like, it's just like, all right, we gonna strategically air some of this guy's dirty laundry through somebody else some other way. Like, you just play dirty. That's it. Like, it's not like this, oh, I sent you a sternly worded letter, and I tried to rally some other owners on behalf. It's like, no, you gotta play dirty. I know where the bodies are buried, motherfucker.

[A]

David famously said that. You know what I mean?

[B]

Like, that's. I think that's the only way to wrangle some of these guys. And I get it. Like, Adam Silver works for James Dolan to a certain extent, but I don't believe that he's just this powerless actor who just has to do whatever the owners say at a certain point. You did triple the fucking TV contract. That's got to come with some kind of professional cash, some kind of juice.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, well, Dolan hates it. Just whatever the. Whatever happened with the new TV deal. Dolan is the loudest voice hating all of that.

[B]

I think the RSN of it all is where he's kind of chapped because he's one of the few people that still was making a lot of money off the rsn.

[A]

He's also demanded that the league, like, audit its finances and say. And, like, who are all these people? Who are these. All these executive vice presidents? What do they do on a daily basis?

[B]

I don't want to snitch on myself, but, hey, man, the league is a very generous league, I'll say that.

[A]

All right, well, it's been. I mean, this is one chapter in what I think has been one of the weirdest seasons in the. Like, we don't let's talk about Operation

[C]

Royal Flush because we know before we go to that.

[A]

Sure. Yes.

[C]

There was an anecdote in the piece that One of the two writers, while reporting a story in 2013, witnessed a nick really going to work on a huge bucket of popcorn in the locker room and apparently was, quote, hustled off to the side by an MSG Communications staffer who promised that if this detail found its way into the piece, our relationship is over. My question, 2013. So I've got the roster.

[A]

Ray Felton.

[C]

Yes, that was exactly who I had.

[B]

Ray Felton is probably the culprit.

[C]

It's almost got it. Like J.R. smith is an option. No, but it's not like J.R. as we know, likes soup when he's in the locker room.

[A]

Man, I love this team, bro.

[B]

I know somebody personally. Personally with Ray Felton. There was this cookie shop in Orlando. He had somebody specifically go to the cookie shop. Almost like you were getting drugs for this fucking dude. But it had to be clandestine. Like, yo, don't be telling nobody that it's for Ray Felton. Blah, blah, blah blah blah. Cookies.

[C]

That's incredible.

[B]

When he has a cookie spot when he flies into Orlando. Siri, I believe. God, bro, this is like for real. I know the person that had to get the cookies.

[C]

No, I mean, I will say so.

[B]

It's definitely Ray Film.

[A]

It's gotta be Ray.

[C]

I would say passes the eye test. You know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah, there is that part.

[C]

I love that you nail.

[B]

I didn't want to bring it up, but I've seen the guy recently.

[C]

Yeah.

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[B]

And I have an antidote to share on that.

[A]

And then also and Damon Jones, one of the notable role players in recent NBA history, I guess you could say, is already caught up in this and is will plead guilty. Apparently, according to reports, like any time

[C]

now, he's pleading guilty on two separate things. One of them is Operation Royal Flush. Another one is selling Insider information about LeBron James playing status. So yeah, he's. He's got double the pleasure, double the fun.

[A]

Yes. Let's hear the anecdote.

[B]

So this story comes out and is blowing up my phone, right? Obviously, like all my normie friends who know what I do for work, blowing me up. So I'm reading this shit and I'm reading the indictment, the players, and one of the names of the mafia guys.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Is Nick something. I forget his name and I'm like, wait a second, where do I know this fucking name from? It's this kid named Fat Nick. That was his name. I've met this kid, partied with this guy a bunch of times in high school. So I went to this school called St. Francis. Prepping Queens.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Predominantly white school. Some of your classmates live in places like Bayside or Whitestone.

[C]

Some of them are these fancy New York places.

[B]

Yeah. Like suburban Queens. And then some of them live in Howard beach and Ozone park, which is famously where it's at somebody, it's a mobbed up out. And like a bunch of other mobs actually lived in these neighborhoods. And I've actually been to house parties there and while at house parties in Ozone park, in Howard Beach.

[A]

Fat Nick Mnucci.

[B]

Yep. Fat Nick.

[C]

So.

[B]

So rewind. Okay. Almost A decade? Yeah, definitely a decade plus. Earlier, two black kids got damn near lynched in Howard Beach.

[A]

Oh, is this the famous Yusef Hawkins case?

[B]

No, this is, this is like after I graduated high school.

[A]

School. Yeah.

[B]

And, you know, some, you know, some goombas beat them up with baseball bats. All kinds of claimed they were stealing cars.

[A]

Not, not an uncommon occurrence in that, in that part of, In Howard Beach.

[B]

Fat Nick was one of the guys that committed the lynching, bro. No, cap. So Fat Nick, and he's involved in this NBA. I've met this kid before.

[A]

Fat Nick, a Gambino crime family associate. Member of one of these cheating teams that defrauded the victims. He. According to the charging documents, at one point there was a rival cheating team not associated with this group. They were using a. Also using one of these modified shuffling decks, Fat Nick recruited gunmen to heist back the hacked dealing machine from this other crew.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

And he, as you mentioned, he was previously convicted of a high profile hate crime in 2006 when he used a baseball bat to attack a black man in Howard Beach.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

So he's currently detained without bail. And these are the fellas that Chauncey Billups was involved in. Now, Chauncey, it seems, it's unclear how he came to the attention of the folks, but his primary role was to make it look. Look legit.

[C]

He was a. They call him a face card, right.

[A]

It's like Chauncey Billups is here. This can't be. This can't be fake.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

It's gotta be real. And in fact, there's. In the charging documents, there's stories of like one mark who was like, so stoked to be there with like NBA champion Chauncey Billups that they kept like hitting cards on the river that made this guy lose. And you know, if you're playing hold', em, it's like the last card that comes out, right? So it's like to do that three times in a row, which is what the charging documents is like, statistically, that can't happen. So, like, the other mobsters were like, we gotta lose. You gotta try and land. But the guy was so happy, he was like, I mean, John's in his grip. And he was just like, okay, keep going. What did you think when this happened? I'm still in shock. And the fact that we don't even talk about it too, is crazy to me.

[B]

I mean, the gambling part is something that I've become more aware of. Right. Like before and especially after just like, how much, how many Guys are really have gambling issues. Like, literally are degenerate gamblers who are, you know, ex professional athletes. Like, and it made me just think, like. Cause I'm just like, why would you do this shit?

[A]

Damon Jones, from everything that is out there reported and in these documents, seems like he's got a real. He's been thrown a lifeline. Like, the Lakers job was clearly. Let's help Damon Jones.

[B]

LeBron probably was like, this is my guy. Yeah, get him situated. You know, I think. I think he was one of my vets when I was a young player.

[C]

I think even when he was in Cleveland, because him and T lewer boys, that. That was. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

And I'm just like, how do you get. How do you get involved in something like this? It just makes me think it's just like, these motherfuckers probably cheated you out of a bunch of money. You get in with them, and it's just like, bro, like, yo, can I do something else besides cash to help you guys out? Yeah, I have an idea. Yeah. You become a face card for these cheating ass games. That's what it feels like. These guys just got taken advantage of. Which, you know, is no excuse. You're an adult. You're responsible for your behavior. Especially like, if you're a player and you roping in other players, that's crazy. That's crazy. To get robbed by these dudes, which happened. God damn, bro. That is messed up. And I've heard, like, a lot of players have been hustled out of so much money and not just the, like. Because this is different. There's, like, the one level where players are just hyped to play against Phil Ivey.

[A]

Yeah, right.

[B]

And a bunch of other guys they never heard of, but, like, are just way better than you at poker. You have no fucking chance of winning. And they just split the earnings amongst themselves. But then this is just, like, tech involved. They're using robots and machines to cheat your ass.

[C]

It's really like, you don't have a shot. No, you don't have a chance.

[A]

You have zero shot. Apparently, Billups was recruited into the scheme by Robert Black. Rob Stroud.

[C]

Black Rob Stroud. Yeah. Gambino associate.

[A]

Gambino associate. And Stroud's strategy was to always have these face cards. Like, Damon Jones was one when, I guess they couldn't get Chauncey. These specific whales to make everybody feel at ease. Like, we're in this weird, illegal poker game. High stakes poker game in someone's house. Chauncey's here. It's gotta be legit and he's not

[C]

gonna put himself at risk. He's the coach of the Blazers, for crying.

[A]

What surprised me was like, how little money it was. Stroud. At one point in the charging documents, they mentioned that Stroud wired billups through a. Through a third party, $50,000, which is

[B]

like, that's what he was paid to be the face card.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But again, that just. To me that just means Chauncey might have just been into these guys.

[A]

Right. Might have been into these guys or something.

[B]

So much money.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And if you like. Cause you got to think about it. If you're super rich, you know how they say, like, oh, the, the house always wins, but like, even if you're rich like you. You can't. Can't beat that. And again, especially if these guys just

[A]

cheated, you know, I mean, here's what the. The cheating is incredible. So it used a modified deckmate electronic card shuffler that read the deck. So in other words, it's scanning the deck as it's shuffling and knows the order of every single card, plus X ray poker tables. So it could see through the top of the table. Hidden cameras in the chip tray.

[C]

Right, Yeah, I remember that. That detail's incredible.

[A]

So when you have your chip tray, like by your cards, it's like looking right at it. Marked cards readable through special contact lenses. This is the invisible ink. Total losses alleged 7.15 million over x amount of games. Again, backed by the. Backed by the Gambino crime family. And you know, I think a lot of people like myself were kind of. It seemed like the Laosa Nostra thing and kind of like they'd gone away.

[B]

No, they, like they're not. They're not in a heyday where they like. Like they got their tentacles in the Teamsters. You're in and can give loans to people. Right. To buy casinos. Entire casinos in Las Vegas. Like, it's not that, but they're just. The schemes are pettier like this.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's not the same as opening the sand. Sure, sure. You know what I mean? It's not casino. Right. Like, could you compare this to. It's like.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

Kind of Penny Annie.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

When you think about what's interesting about this is four of the five major families were involved. So it was clearly like a negotiated. Like, oh yeah, we're all going to share a piece of this. Like it was all of their guys involved in it. The Bananos was. Had several people. It was the Bananos, the Gambinos, which is your guy. Nick Manucci. Fat Nick.

[B]

Fat Nick.

[A]

Genevieve, the Genovese and the Lucchesis. It was kind of like a classic tribute model where it's like, well, hold on. You got an illegal game going. I want in on the illegal game. So where it stands now is Billups has been charged. He's pleaded not guilty. Jones will plead guilty. It seems like soon Billups and Terry

[C]

Rozier is another guy who's wrapped up in this. Rozier has also pled not guilty.

[A]

They're all out on bond. And Jones is apparently, like, set a date for a change of plea hearing, which. Which I think suggests to everybody that he's gonna cooperate, which is. I mean, you gotta do what you gotta do.

[B]

You gotta do what you gotta do.

[A]

I'm not gonna.

[B]

Another part of this that struck me when it happened in the very beginning was again, the fall of the mob in the sense that Cash Patel. First of all, we're gonna talk about him. Okay. So I knew who J. Edgar Hoover was.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And Comey was the FBI head.

[A]

He was a Comey. He was Comey for a long time.

[B]

He was the Cash Patel of his time.

[A]

Yeah. Comey's the one that put Martha Stewart away.

[B]

So I knew J. Edgar Hoover. I knew Comey. Cause of Russia, Russia, Russia. And I've never known an FBI head outside of that. Like, I've never. I don't know any of these people.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So it's like, I. I just recognize Cash Patel's, like, thirst for publicity.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And when he's announcing this, he's like, what they emphasized was we took down some professional athletes, this big gambling ring. And then when you realize, like, it's just kind of ridiculous. It sucks that the league and people involved in it. But I'm like, this ain't what they made it out to.

[A]

Me.

[C]

They were just pumped up.

[A]

I will say this. I'll say this because the same thing struck me as, well, you got a dozen plus mobsters.

[B]

That's what I'm saying.

[A]

A dozen plus, like.

[B]

And they just.

[A]

They did.

[B]

They crossed over.

[C]

No. Just to harp on the NBA show.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Why is it.

[A]

Why is it the only black guys involved in this? The only are. Are the face of this. That's all. I did notice that as well.

[B]

The guys who actually orchestrated and organized and benefited the most from the crime. It's. I'm like, bro, this is the Five Families.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Like Rudy Giuliani. Literally, we would have never heard of this guy if he didn't Lock up a bunch of Mobsters in the 80s.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, this guy made a whole life career off of this cash. Patel was like, Damon Jones.

[A]

Like, what?

[C]

They were so pumped up to deliver their, like, puns about the investigation, like, where it's like, you know, and on this court, odds are. If you cheat the game, you know, they're so pumped up to be like, you know, like. And trust me, the house always wins.

[B]

Like, just that sort of stuff, you know? And a part of it. Look, a part of it is like, the. Damon Jones is just so big.

[A]

He's got a. He's got a problem. Like Damon Jones.

[B]

He's calling people the minute he hears. LeBron isn't playing to, like, make plays

[C]

when it was, like, happening. He's like. He's been doing this.

[A]

He's got a.

[C]

That's part of the.

[A]

That's a gentleman who needs to call the number. You know, on the gambling ads, like, he, like, for real, like, not a joke. He's got an issue.

[B]

And then the other part of it that matters to me anyway, in terms of the quote, unquote, integrity of the game and all these guys that have gotten caught, it's a couple of things. It's like, one, you can't do it. Like, the. The idea that you're gonna cheat DraftKings or FanDuel or any of these guys, it's not gonna happen. And if you try to go try to do this via unofficial channels, that's when you're gonna. You're gonna cheat. Fat. Nicking them.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

They will kill you.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

So it's like. It's kind of a nice thing that this, like, stuff gets publicized. It's like, guys like, you're never gonna be smart enough to win at this. Like, you're supposed. The games are designed for you to lose, my brother.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

Not for you to win.

[A]

Well, that's where I. You know, with the John Tay Porter of it all. Which is how apparently the feds got wind of. There's a bunch of intersecting characters, and that's how they got on this particular scheme. I don't know. I look at John Tay and I'm like, this is the dumbest way. I can't believe it took a year for them to catch this guy. Which makes me think there's gotta be smart money in the cheating, right? There's gotta be people who know how to stay below whatever the algorithmic triggers on DraftKings or FanDuel are that have to know, like, how to spread the

[B]

pencil you're playing a really long game at that.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Like, Most people, like nine out of 10 people just don't have that. I know exactly what you're saying.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's almost like the office space scheme where you're taking pennies at a time.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Like, you'd have to be doing it a really long way. Like, because I was explaining this to my lady, she was like, well, how do they catch people? I'm like, because most people are betting on LeBron stats. KD, Knicks, anyone? The Packers? Not John Tay Porter.

[A]

John Tay Porter to get injured in the second quarter.

[B]

Why is there 500,000 of action on Jon?

[C]

Like, what if I talk to anyone, stranger or not, and they told me that they had been putting money on jontay Porter.

[A]

Yeah. Call the number.

[C]

That would be the most memorable interaction I had all year. It would be like that vulsa person. Top 10 strangest fuckers I've ever come across. Right? Like, no. Yes. I'm with you.

[B]

I have friends who will bet Korean softball.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Because it's three in the morning here.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

I have those friends. They do this shit. Yeah, but it's $20.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's $50. It's not going to be hundreds of thousands, tens of thousands, and then that shit hits.

[A]

I know.

[B]

Excuse me, sir.

[A]

That's. Come on now.

[B]

Well, that. Excuse me, sir.

[A]

Come on, now.

[B]

This is not leaving your fucking account.

[C]

Sorry. There's. There's the, you know, on February 9, 2023 game against the Bucks. That's whenever Damon Jones first does the. Hey, LeBron's not gonna play the second time that they're. They're the second little thing in this piece that Ramona Shelburne wrote back in March. Prosecutors claim Jones also sold health information on another Lakers player ahead of a January 15, 2024 game. I guess he obtained from the players trainer. He shared that with other betters and himself placed a $100,000 bet on the Lakers to lose that night. And that's what you're talking about, is like, you can't help yourself.

[A]

And he borrowed that money, too. There's no way that. Yes. There's no way that he had a

[B]

hundred thousand doing this risky shit.

[C]

Diamond Jones doesn't.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

No, no, no.

[B]

He don't got a hundred thousand.

[C]

A shooting coach for LeBron James does not have $100,000 just hanging out.

[B]

No, no, he does not have no shot. And he didn't, you know, he played in the early 2000s. It's not like he made A crazy.

[A]

He probably made 12 million or something.

[B]

Yeah. At best.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And if you're, you know, spending all that money on gambling like, that shit is, poof, gone. It's over.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Well. Well, let's go to our lucid score. Lucid is a scoring system that we've created to figure out, like, you know, how. How long are we gonna be talking about these particular stories? How funny are they? Or not funny. How sinister, how intriguing, how dangerous. The score goes from 1 to 4. So from 1 to 4, legs. Do these stories have legs? Are we gonna continue to be talking about them? Hmm.

[B]

The Dolan situation.

[A]

Yeah, let's just do the Dolan.

[C]

Yeah, let's just do it.

[B]

One four on legs. I'm gonna give it a two and a half.

[A]

I think that's probably right. I think we will forget about this after a little while. Cause it's been out there. Unintentional comedy. Is it funny in any kind of way?

[B]

Everything involving James Dolan is pretty funny. Cause he's such a loser. Like, just loser vibes all over him. If you don't know, paying Jewel to

[A]

go on tour with her, I mean, that's crazy.

[C]

If you don't know, he has her Americana band called JD and the Straight Shot. This is a real thing that he has. He's, like, up there. It's. He fancies himself like a jazz man, kind of, and is, like, wearing fedoras and shit. The song, it's really terrible, terrible music. He's released three albums, honestly. Wait, because I. I wrote this down. Can I pause this for a second? I wrote. So he's written three albums. I'm going to read you four albums, and you got to tell me which one is the fake one.

[A]

Yeah. Okay.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Good luck and good night.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Ballyhoo with an exclamation point at the end. The Vagabond's Notebook. The Great Divide.

[A]

I'm going to be Ballyhoo.

[C]

You think Ballyhoo's the fake one?

[B]

Good luck and Good Night is the fake one.

[C]

The Vagabonds Notebook is the fake one.

[B]

Vagabonds Notebook.

[A]

Now I feel like I talk about this every time. You know, he wrote a song about Harvey Weinstein titled I Should have Known. This is after Harvey Weinstein with, you know, his Fall From Gray songs on multiple sexual assault charges. James Dunn wrote a song basically saying, like, how. Let me read some of the lines.

[B]

Harvey Weinstein was his boy.

[A]

That was his boy. And so his whole thing was that. Here's the first verse. We were friends. We were friends. Talk for hours without end about his latest story how to deal with fame and glory all the girls who adored him Catered to his every whim Nothing he could lose all he could do was choose I should have known I should have known I should have thrown myself across his tracks Stopped him from these vile acts I should have known we believed and didn't see through the lies he told us all they led him to his endless fall I should have known I should have known.

[B]

Which is, you know, what I will say about the power of me too. Even a brute like James Dolan had a libtard moment.

[A]

Yeah. He had to be like, man, I gotta look in the mirror.

[B]

Trend Dolan caught the fucking.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Holy Ghost of me too.

[A]

He had to look in the mirror and be like, who am I?

[B]

And he's a right wing psychopath.

[C]

So.

[B]

Yeah. That's crazy.

[A]

He did. He even.

[B]

He was like, all right, I'm kind of lived out right now. That was kind of fucked up, Harvey.

[A]

So, okay. Unintentional comedy. One of the four.

[B]

Oh, definitely a four.

[A]

Sinisterness. Is it a sinister story?

[B]

It's pretty sinister too.

[A]

I agree. What do you think?

[B]

Four.

[A]

Okay, give that a four. Intrigue. Is it intriguing?

[B]

Not really. I mean, it's in line with so much that we deal with everywhere. It's like a 1.5 on intrigue for me.

[A]

We'll give it a 1. We'll round down to one in danger. Is it a dangerous story?

[B]

This dangerous in terms of what? Dangerous in terms of the people reporting on it? Could get hurt.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

No.

[A]

Okay, so it's not one or a zero.

[B]

It's a zero because there's nothing anybody can do. Like, you're done. Like these motherfuckers in the White House. These motherfuckers are down with the most powerful people on planet Earth. You could put your little story on Wired, and us and Pablo could have a field day.

[A]

There's nothing we could do, I think ultimately, like, with regards to surveillance in particular, surveillance in public places and entertainment. Entertainment spaces. What's gonna happen is there's gonna be no real, like, legislation or government action to, like, rein in this stuff. And it's just gonna be, hey, man, don't be loud about it. Don't be crazy. And chasing teenagers down in Colorado. Just be quiet. And we just whip this, compile your dossiers and sell it to ice. And that's all.

[B]

A guy shoots a CEO in the middle of midtown for being a CEO. That's when we Deploy this shit.

[A]

That's when it goes that can't stand, right?

[B]

Motherfuckers talking shit on Reddit and Twitter. Yeah, it's Twitter.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Why are you deploying this for that?

[A]

So that's an 11 out of 20. And James is gonna be upset if he's gonna, if he's gonna ban us for anything, it's gonna be, it's gonna be that we didn't give him a higher lucid score. Okay, let's see the dude. Scroll.

[C]

All right. Was welcome to doom. Scroll. We, we just some stories that have been making us kind of raise our eyebrows a little bit. We're like, hey, we're going to keep some tabs on that one.

[B]

Let's keep them.

[C]

First one, let's just jump right into Racini.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, Racini.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So Rabel Racini and Rabel Diana Rossini, who formerly of the Athletic, NFL Insider got photograph aired out when she was at a resort with Vrabel, among others, maybe, who knows. But only person that was in the pictures right. Was Rabel. They were seen hugging, they were seen poolside, blah, blah, blah. She resigns from the Athletic. Recently, a day after she resigns from the Athletic, she reportedly rescues an elderly man and his dog from a car crash in New Jersey. She was driving behind this 73 year old dude who got into a crash and the Jeep flipped on its side. According to the report. She stops, someone lifts her on top of the Jeep and she reaches in and helps the old guy and the dog out.

[A]

Not to besmirch Dinah's bravery and courageousness in this situation, my immediate thought when I saw this and the timing was like, man, she's got a good PR team.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Hey, yeah. They'd be like, don't forget she's saving lives.

[C]

Yeah, I thought, man, they got right to it.

[A]

I have a take.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Listen, I'm not the most plugged in NFL person, but I think that this is what I think. If you get caught like this, I question your game day preparation. I question your attention to detail.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

They were just like at some regular nice resort in Arizona. There are places where rich people go where nobody can see you and nobody can take a picture of you. And people can't get into like the sauna or whatever. Go to Cancun, go to Tulum. Why are you just at some golf course? Yeah, like this is dumb one.

[B]

I think she's one of the best people at her job. This idea that every like. Cause this is this idea that she's not credible now that she somehow, I don't know, like, slept her way to the top. Like, that's not how this game works, bro. Like, people have. Have to like you and trust you. Yeah, it's not that. Oh, you gave them some freaking trim and now you're in with people. That's. That don't work like that.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And I don't think that's like, crazy to acknowledge that. Yo, these people shouldn't have been committing adultery and all of that. And journalistically, it's unethical.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But I was talking to my guy, Ethan Strauss, about this. I was like, bro, this just ain't the same as Maggie Haberman Trump.

[A]

No, there's no nukes involved.

[B]

You know what I mean?

[A]

Like, there's no sports. Nobody's getting killed.

[B]

You should have integrity. But, like, we do sports, y'. All.

[A]

It's fun.

[B]

I'm sorry. I can't lose sleep, cuz. This lady might have been intimate with Mike Vrabel on the low. And what I was going to say about the Vrabel thing, it's like, it's not unexpected that a NFL head coach is a dog.

[C]

No.

[A]

Yeah. But you gotta. You gotta think ahead.

[B]

He's just.

[A]

You gotta think about. And. And I'll just say this is my final thing on it, I think the ultimate PR move. If you're Rabel Rossini, you'd be like, this is my person. I'm in love. Like, what do you. Everybody hating on this? Yeah, everybody hating on this. I guess. You hate love.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, there was just something energy. Like, I felt like I had met my soulmate and we're gonna. That's it. We're together.

[C]

Oh, you thought I should ignore destiny and fate.

[A]

So I guess you've never been in love. My fault.

[B]

You know, you're right.

[C]

I should ignore fate. You're right.

[B]

I just. I can't, because I've seen it a bunch of places where they're like, so she has to resign and he gets to get. I'm like, guys, in the coach integrity handbook, adultery is not one of the forbidden rules.

[A]

So I will now paraphrase producer C's conspiracy theory. This is not mine.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

But I like this one. 1. She was up for a new contract in two months. And the conspiracy theory is, the times got her. The. The conspiracy is the times were like, we know about this. We don't want to pay her. Let's get out from under this.

[B]

Sheesh. That would be pretty ruthless. My theory on this is that, like, they just got unlucky they got, I think, around.

[A]

You're like, is that Mike Rabel?

[B]

Ain't Diana receding?

[A]

Like, is that.

[B]

Why didn't you recognize this lady? Yeah, you're a fucking dude dork, bro. Yeah, you're just a sports dork. And you're way too into this because, like, bro, I've seen Rossini on Levitar the Ton. All of that I cannot say for sure, bro. Like, and I know who this chick is, that if I saw her at a pool in Arizona, that I would immediately recognize her. I don't recognize Rabel for sure, but I don't think it would have clocked to me, and I'm somebody in this industry, that it was her.

[A]

But that's what I'm saying, man. On an Arizona. Arizona resort, that's where you're gonna get recognized. Someone zoomed in with that Android phone 12x zoom they got you. They don't even need a special lens. You know what I mean?

[C]

If they're like, if there is something going on there, I wish them well. I wish them, you know, best of luck. It's funny that the only real picture they. One of the only real pictures they got of them was from a football field away of them kind of hugging on a roof. Because if it's me and I'm like, like, give me some kissing. Like, what? What? There's got to be some kissing up there, right? You think they're holding it back? You think they've got more info? They got more in the chamber.

[A]

I think they're ready to escalate.

[C]

They got another bullet in the chamber, and that's the kissing pics.

[B]

Buddy of mine presented something that seems a little bit more plausible to me is that. That they're not currently fucking, but they used to.

[A]

Oh, I like that. Yeah.

[B]

That's why there's a familiarity there.

[C]

Physical.

[B]

Yeah. A comfort with that.

[C]

Interesting.

[B]

And it's like, we don't do this shit no more.

[A]

I'll let you cut a few years. What's next? What's next?

[B]

You know what I mean?

[C]

Okay, so the Onion is officially buying Infowars now. This is happening. They reached an agreement to take over. Is Alex Jones InfoWars Company Alex Jones, terrible person. Where it even began. The Sandy Hook family should get to wake up every morning and kick him in the nuts. He's a terrible person. It's subject to court approval, but it's back. This. This takeover of Infowars is backed by the Sandy Hook families, which is cool. The new version of Info Infowars is Supposed to operate as a digital platform and a comedy network that Tim Heidecker from Tim and Eric from on Cinema, at the Cinema, from Office Hours, Any number of great things. He's going to be the creative director of this, and he's going to parody Jones himself. If you have never seen Tim Heidecker's Alex Jones, please go seek it out. It's an unbelievable impression, but yeah, Jones had a shirtless meltdown at the news. If we can put this up at some point.

[A]

Well, he still owes the family.

[C]

Here we go.

[A]

Oh, yeah, let's watch this.

[C]

You can't take something over and then act like you're somebody. Even if you say it's a parody. You can do a parody of somebody, but none of you took something from them.

[A]

Right?

[C]

We've already checked with lawyers, so they're in deep. I'm already suing the Democrat party law firms. Look, just because you're wearing my shirt don't mean you're me. So let's be 100 clear about that. So you guys just keep laughing. It's like a year and a half ago or it was November 2024. Is that about a year and a half?

[A]

That guy?

[B]

Is that about a year and a half?

[A]

Was that 12 months? 15 months. So wait, did he barge into the now Onion owned Infowars set?

[C]

I don't know.

[A]

He started haranguing like the anchor. What is happening?

[C]

No, I think that's one of his Infowars minions that he offshoots.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I see.

[A]

Okay. But yeah, he still owes the families, I think like a billion dollars.

[C]

It. I mean, it's more than a billion.

[A]

Okay. But yeah, that's on the payment plan.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

What's next?

[C]

Cash Patel. Oh, yes, referenced earlier. He's suing the Atlantic. The. The Atlantic last week published a piece that was basically. It was titled the FBI Director is mia. Deeply reported. It painted a picture of just a paranoid drunk who's in over his head, basically, and probably doing more than alcohol. Probably doing more than alcohol.

[A]

He's got the entire evidence room of the FBI at his disposal.

[C]

I think he's. I think he's.

[A]

I need them to weigh those packages

[C]

at the end of his term, I think. I think he's been snow skiing several times in that. In that office there. But the. Yeah, he apparently couldn't log into his own computer at one point. And when that happened, he assumed he had gotten fired.

[B]

Amazing. That's an amazing, amazing story that he called people to say, guys, yeah, it's

[C]

been a good

[B]

I got the ax. I'm out.

[A]

I'm out, guys that put out the press release.

[B]

I'm out.

[C]

To be thinking that a job that. Like, a job that is as important as FBI director. You're gonna find out you got fired just because you can't log in, bro.

[A]

I think my favorite detail in the story was that there were multiple occasions where they had to get an FBI breaching team. You know, the guys with, like, the door ram, because he was so drunk, so cooked that he was not waking up.

[C]

They had to request special, like, equipment that's usually used by swat because dude has passed out in the inn and locked in a room. He also. Another little fun fact of that is he expressed. He expressed some frustration with how some of the FBI merchants looks.

[A]

Yeah, he didn't like it because he

[C]

wants it to be a little more intimidating.

[A]

He wants it to look like UFC stuff. I think my favorite. Another. Another great part of this is. So he is suing the Atlantic for $250 million, which I think is my Galaxy brain theory is that he. He wants a way out now.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Like, he's looking for a way out, and he's hoping that this will be the way, like, just, like, release me from the Fed job. I hate it. That said, this is his second defamation suit that he has filed for someone claiming that he's a drunk. So he's got two of these out there now.

[C]

Yeah. Is to a pattern. I guess it's gotta be free to be a pattern.

[B]

The whole administration is drunks. They got Pete Keg's breath. Yes, Keg's breath, which is like. He's just so obviously, like, an annoying, aggressive drunk. Like, he's. He's that person at the bar who's like, you know, starting shit with people's cash, is just dancing and, you know, Keg stand.

[A]

Yeah, he's just like.

[C]

I mean, I think he's making some of the women feel uncomfortable. And it's like, I think there's some of that stuff. I think he's too aggro.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

Wife's a fucking bitch. Yes, that guy.

[C]

Yeah, the. There's a. There's an 11th missing scientist.

[A]

Uh. Oh, okay. Let's hear about it. So this has been a story.

[B]

I don't even follow the story related to UFOs.

[A]

One of them is.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

One of the guys worked at this. At Wright Patterson. This.

[B]

You guys have UFO thoughts?

[A]

Yeah. I'll tell you right now. I hope that. Well, first of all, I'll say this. I believe that there are things in the sky that nobody knows what they are. The government has come out and said as much. Like, we don't know what that is. Is it. We're just not sure what it is.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

That said, if there are aliens, it's show improved time now. Like, the cameras are too good now. You know, we talk about the 12x zoom on the Android phones. I want good footage of an alien stepping out of the ufo. I want. I want good footage of the UFO zipping, like, over the airport. Like, I want. I don't want any of this blurry shit anymore. Like, I want, like, a footprint. I want to see an alien, you know, burning its name into the side of a cow. Like, for real. Yeah, I. I don't. It's show improved time at this point, but I don't know if they're real.

[B]

Can I say something? I remember when Barry got the drone warfare going.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

President Barack Obama.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I had an epiphany.

[A]

Pioneer in the film.

[B]

I had a pioneer in the film in the field at an epiphany. Literally. I was like, oh, that's for UFOs.

[C]

Are.

[B]

They were just testing the latest kill machines, the latest drones.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And they just didn't want to tell us. It was just like. Yeah, we're not going to acknowledge that we've created new ways to kill people.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Right. With these fucking robot airplanes. Right. Because people, like, they just whiz on by and we don't have that technology now. Yeah, we do.

[A]

There are a few.

[B]

That's what I think. This new shit is just like the next gen of the killing machine.

[C]

Got it, got it, got it, got it, got it.

[A]

There are a few famous, famous, like, testimonials from. There's like a famous Navy testimonial called the. The Tic Tac where the guy was claiming that he was, like, banking over the ocean. He saw this thing down there and it was like, making the ocean boil. And then it would just went like, whoop and just went straight up in the air very fast. Now, there is no footage of that, but I find the testimony compelling. That said, to your point about drones and to me, the thing with UFOs is show me footage of it doing something that there's no way a drone or an aircraft can do where it's like, moving so fast.

[B]

People were convinced of the New Jersey ones. That was it. Drones can't move that quick and zigzag like that.

[A]

You can, though. And the other thing is the New Jersey ones and I'm sorry. To the people in New Jersey, if it had lights on it, that's a drone that someone is flying, you know, because those are FAA lights and they have, have those. So that's an aircraft that somebody knows about. That's all. With regards to this 11th missing scientist, I'll just say that this case is from 2022.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

And while there are some interesting things with it, including the person saying that I'm in good health and I feel very happy and I feel like my life is in danger and then finding them dead, I feel like I need a new case. Not cases where we're looking back like. And that's.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, so they're finding, they're finding stuff in the past, making them into a past.

[C]

Part of it is she co founded the Institute for Exotic Science and her, her work is described as focused on experimental propulsion techniques.

[A]

But why weren't we. See, this is my thing.

[C]

Institute for Exotic Science.

[A]

Why weren't people. Why, why weren't. Why wasn't law enforcement before? Like, oh, like, you know what I mean? Like I. That's. And that's. So I just feel like this is. If I wanted to get really conspiratorial. This is like a full. This is a psyop to build support for whatever they're gonna be like, oh, China killing our scientists. We gotta go.

[B]

Wait, is that where people are taking it? That China?

[A]

No, not yet.

[C]

Well, some people think are like basically defecting to China, like going, I do

[A]

think one of the guys defected to China. That is a theory that I do have.

[B]

So they're communist sympathizers.

[A]

I do believe that one of them

[B]

may have done that theory. I love that theory. Actually.

[A]

We will continue to keep up on this.

[B]

That's a whole theory.

[C]

The last thing, we gotta talk about this RFK raccoon dick story really quick.

[A]

All the penis of the raccoon caused a raccoon and an incredible penis. And I just saw.

[B]

I've never tried. I can't bring myself to do that.

[A]

There's a lot of physical power. Vitamins in the penis of a raccoon. And when you take the penis of a raccoon, you can squeeze out the nutrients and the vitamins.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

The healing powers in the raccoon. Is that what we're doing here?

[C]

It's from a quote. RFK Jr. The fall and Rise. The quote in the book.

[A]

I was standing in front of my car on i684 cutting the penis out of a roadkill thinking about how weird some of my Family members have turned out to be.

[C]

He also notes. Do you have that?

[A]

No. Yeah. As I was cutting the be off of the raccoon, my kids waited patiently in the car.

[C]

So not only is he cutting the

[B]

dickel raccoon and then went the clean tickle.

[A]

He just like, with his butterfly knife

[C]

was like, well, this guy's clearly, like, walking around with. He's got some machetes in the trunk or something. Like, there's some. This is a. This is a true lunatic. But, yeah, he's not just cutting the dick off the raccoon. His kids are in the car watching him do it.

[A]

Now. This is not. I will say that. I will say that this is so

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far father of the year.

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I will say that this is so far unverified. TMZ has reached out to. To our secretary of Health to find out if this is legit, but with no confirmation as of yet that he did.

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Barren Central. The bear.

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Yeah. Yeah, that is legit.

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Yes. He says that he cut off in this story. The reason that he swiftly cut off the dick was that he wanted to study it later.

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Yeah, of course. I wanted to take it home and get it under some good light. The light.

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Raccoons known to have special dicks.

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I couldn't tell you a thing about raccoon dicks.

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Secretary Kennedy, if you could reach out to us and let us know.

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We love to have you on. We'll just talk about raccoon dicks.

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That's it. W. Thank you so much for joining us.

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Proud to be on here.

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Appreciate you all. Blood Trails is a true crime podcast born in the outdoors, where the terrain is unforgiving, the evidence is scarce, and the truth gets more buried under brush and silence. I seen something in the road.

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I instantly thought it was a sleeping bag.

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And there was a pool of blood.

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Somebody somewhere know something? I'm Jordan Sillers.

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Season 2 is out now with new episodes every Thursday. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.