An IGNORANT Read on Ronald Reagan

Summary

Podcast Summary: Unhinged & Immoral – "An IGNORANT Read on Ronald Reagan" (May 8, 2025)

Hosts: Jamila Bell and Mecca Evans | Produced by Diamond MPrint Productions

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I. Introduction and Setting the Stage

The episode begins with a humorous and satirical advertisement spoof, showcasing the hosts’ playful chemistry and setting a lighthearted tone. Shortly after, Jamila Bell and Mecca Evans dive into the main topic, establishing the episode’s focus on dissecting Ronald Reagan’s impact on American society, particularly within the black community.

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II. The Pervasive Influence of Ronald Reagan (03:10)

Jamila Bell (03:25):
"The biggest devil we've experienced in real life is Ronald Reagan and his dick sucking ass wife."

The hosts initiate a critical examination of Ronald Reagan’s legacy, emphasizing his detrimental policies and their long-lasting effects. They argue that Reagan’s administration was marked by significant failures, including the handling of the AIDS crisis and the implementation of trickle-down economics, which contributed to the erosion of the middle class.

Mecca Evans (05:21):
"The reason we are trying to pay back this fucking student debt now is because of Ronald Reagan."

They link Reagan’s economic policies directly to contemporary issues like student debt, asserting that his administration laid the groundwork for many of today’s financial burdens facing young Americans.

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III. Reagan Administration’s Response to the AIDS Epidemic (04:09 - 04:56)

Jamila Bell (04:56):
"Economics? Fuck, was that insane? Because Ronald Reagan, what's interesting is when you look at Republicans today, they uphold Ronald Reagan as one of their saviors."

The discussion shifts to public health, specifically the AIDS epidemic during Reagan’s tenure. The hosts criticize the administration’s neglect and inadequate response, highlighting how the crisis disproportionately affected marginalized communities, including gay men and the black community.

Mecca Evans (04:56):
"Another thing is the disappearance of the middle class with this fuck ass idea of trickle down economics."

They elaborate on how the lack of proper funding and support from the government exacerbated the epidemic’s impact, leading to widespread suffering and loss of life.

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IV. The Evolution of Black Music: Hip-Hop and R&B (08:41 - 18:43)

Jamila Bell (09:12):
"Hip hop was born during the first Reagan administration. We would literally not have the evolution of gangster rap transitioning into what we have now without the fuckery of the war on fucking drugs."

The hosts explore how Reagan’s policies, particularly the War on Drugs, influenced the development of hip-hop and R&B. They discuss the emergence of conscious rap and groups like Public Enemy, emphasizing music as a form of resistance and expression amidst societal struggles.

Mecca Evans (18:43):
"We need to reconfigure these categories. We need to understand how to place certain genres of music."

Transitioning to modern-day music categorization, they critique how genres like neo-soul are often misclassified, arguing for more nuanced and accurate labels that reflect the diversity within black music.

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V. Communication Styles and Accessibility in Language (21:04 - 27:02)

Mecca Evans (22:31):
"It's okay to call somebody a little kooky, a little quirky."

Jamila and Mecca delve into the complexity of communication, especially regarding the use of sophisticated language versus layman’s terms. They argue that over-intellectualizing language can alienate listeners and hinder effective communication, particularly on platforms like TikTok and YouTube where accessibility is key.

Jamila Bell (26:50):
"I wasn't trying to listen to Summer Walk. I was trying to listen to Jill Scott. It's just a difference. That's all I'm saying."

They advocate for simplicity and clarity in communication to ensure messages resonate broadly without being perceived as pretentious or exclusionary.

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VI. Relationship Dynamics and Emotional Well-being (44:19 - 58:45)

Jamila Bell (45:00):
"I've been with my boyfriend, who's 22, for almost five years with no breakups... He can be borderline emotionally abusive, manipulative. Those are my trigger words."

In their segment "Spin it," the hosts respond to a listener’s distressing relationship dilemma. They offer candid and often blunt advice, emphasizing the importance of self-respect and emotional well-being over superficial benefits like material gifts.

Mecca Evans (49:20):
"You have to leave that nigga."

Their advice is direct and unfiltered, encouraging listeners to prioritize their mental health and personal happiness over staying in toxic relationships.

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VII. Audience Engagement and Community Interaction (59:14 - 67:52)

The latter part of the episode is dedicated to engaging with listeners through reading and reacting to comments. Jamila and Mecca express appreciation for their audience’s support, highlighting the importance of community in their podcasting journey. They also promote their merchandise, emphasizing the collaborative efforts with artists and the significance of supporting creative endeavors.

Mecca Evans (66:41):
"And he came up specifically to the fuckery that Ronald Reagan is, he gave you the educational read. We're going to give you the ignorant read."

This quote encapsulates their approach to discussing serious topics with a blend of humor and frankness, making complex issues more relatable and entertaining.

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VIII. Closing Remarks and Final Thoughts (67:52 - End)

As the episode wraps up, the hosts reiterate their commitment to providing unfiltered and honest discussions on pressing social and cultural issues. They express gratitude towards their listeners and encourage continued engagement through various platforms.

Jamila Bell (68:14):
"This has been another amazing episode of the Unhinged and Immoral podcast. Tune in every Thursday, wherever you get your podcast."

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Notable Quotes

• Jamila Bell (03:25):
  "The biggest devil we've experienced in real life is Ronald Reagan and his dick sucking ass wife."

• Mecca Evans (04:56):
  "Another thing is the disappearance of the middle class with this fuck ass idea of trickle down economics."

• Jamila Bell (09:12):
  "Hip hop was born during the first Reagan administration. We would literally not have the evolution of gangster rap transitioning into what we have now without the fuckery of the war on fucking drugs."

• Mecca Evans (22:31):
  "It's okay to call somebody a little kooky, a little quirky."

• Mecca Evans (49:20):
  "You have to leave that nigga."

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Conclusions and Insights

Throughout the episode, Jamila Bell and Mecca Evans provide a scathing critique of Ronald Reagan’s legacy, linking historical policies to modern-day societal issues. They emphasize the resilience and creativity of the black community in the face of systemic oppression, showcasing how adversity has fueled artistic and cultural advancements. The hosts also address the importance of effective communication and self-empowerment in personal relationships, advocating for authenticity and emotional honesty.

Their blend of humor, candidness, and scholarly analysis offers listeners a compelling and engaging exploration of complex themes, making "An IGNORANT Read on Ronald Reagan" both informative and entertaining.

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This summary captures the essence of the episode based on the provided transcript, highlighting key discussions, insights, and memorable quotes.

Transcript

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[Jameela Bell]

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[Mecca]

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[Jameela Bell]

Going in that cash hall. Walk in the booth like Naomi on the cat bar and tell them bitches, whoop, whoop from the Jaguar. It ain't even right, though. Push me and I might go, she ain't getting money. I'm like, what the fuck the hype for? When them bitches bite flow make my appetite go poof. Gone. Voila. Magic looking mad good just to pull up on them ramping. Welcome back to another episode of Unhinged and Immoral. I am Jameela.

[Mecca]

And I am Mecca.

[Jameela Bell]

Let's get straight into the business. You know, when you live in America, you're never really alone. There's always a white person not.

[Mecca]

Not far behind trying to bring you down. Huh.

[Jameela Bell]

How exhausting it must be. You know, it's interesting though, like, of all the years and all the generations of blackness, even though we experience so many different types of evil, we all still manage to have a good time and laugh it off and be able.

[Mecca]

To kind of just maneuver another sinner's reference on. On the horizon. Even with trauma and terror, we find ways to have fun.

[Jameela Bell]

We will still be up in that Jew joint shaking ass despite whatever the fuck is going on, you know?

[Mecca]

You know, and.

[Jameela Bell]

Well, yes, actually, I identify with that because. Spider, what do you want us to do? Goddamn cry every goddamn day? I can't.

[Mecca]

I mean, they're talking about taking People's money to pay back student loans all at once.

[Jameela Bell]

And it's just like, well, how about try it if you will. I don't even think you can. You're gonna even be able to do that. It's not gonna work. Like, it's interesting, every time they try to do something so outrageous, it kind of starts backfiring. And it's interesting because while on one end I'm definitely like anxious about this administration because a lot of the things that they're trying to do is like unconstitutional. Not even it's anti constitutional, but it's like a lot of the shit is just not going to work. So it's just like I'm kind of just waiting for y' all to like self implode because it's like y' all niggas are stupid. Like that doesn't even make fucking sense.

[Mecca]

Yeah, I think with everything we've seen in the very short, like, what are we six months into this presidency? I don't know. I know we have another four years. I know that people are panicking. I feel like our parents lived through Ronald Reagan.

[Jameela Bell]

Let me tell you something. The biggest devil we've experienced in real life is Ronald Reagan and his dick sucking ass wife.

[Mecca]

So I here am trying to figure out how to phone Nancy Reagan and ask her how to properly give neck. Because you know how. We'll have to call hell to get that advice. I will not be down there. I'm gonna have to dial in, unfortunately.

[Jameela Bell]

Clearly, you know, while she was worried about the war on drugs, she needed to be trying to figure out how to get some knee pads while she was sucking everybody off in the Oval Office. That's what she should have been focused on.

[Mecca]

They said she was sucking everyone off in old Hollywood. Allegedly though.

[Jameela Bell]

Well, couldn't have been that good if you were still wrapped up with Ronald Reagan.

[Mecca]

So I just feel like, you know, if you think about the 80s, which when we look at American history, not even just black American, obviously, things affect us way more when things are bad in general. But the 80s was a hard decade for America. Like looking. I mean, we just referenced this a couple episodes ago. Not only did we have the crack epidemic, we had the AIDS epidemic. Both largely ignored by the administration. Reagan until the end, until the war on drugs, quote unquote. But the AIDS epidemic is notoriously known for being ignored by the Reagan administration. You had the disappearance of the middle class with this fuck ass idea of trickle down economics. What the fuck was that?

[Jameela Bell]

Economics? Fuck, was that insane? Because Ronald Reagan, what's interesting is when you look at Republicans today, they uphold Ronald Reagan as one of their saviors, Right? He is the prime example of a Republican politician, which is why you should know that being a Republican is the closest thing you can be to the devil himself. Because why the fuck would you ever try to emulate Ronald Reagan when he has literally uprooted everything about this country?

[Mecca]

I mean, the reason we are trying.

[Jameela Bell]

To pay back this fucking student debt now is because of Ronald Reagan. Yeah, there was, this was not a concept before his fucking administration. Like, this is insane.

[Mecca]

You know, he also supplied our enemies with weapons, ignored what the fuck Saddam Hussein had going on, inadvertently helped create Al Qaeda. Like the list literally goes on. The list literally goes on with Ronald Reagan, all while quick little plug allegedly having dementia. So Nancy Reagan was really running.

[Jameela Bell]

Nancy, bitch, get off of your knees. Cause we know you was doing that shit too, bitch. Quick little plug. If you guys want a real in depth analysis of just how fucked up Ronald Reagan is, check out the podcast, what is it called? Redacted History with Andre.

[Mecca]

Oh, Andre, he's really good.

[Jameela Bell]

He's really good at doing a deep dive. And he has one specifically dedicated to the fuckery that is Ronald Reagan. He gave you the educational read. We're going to give you the ignorant read. Because we're just niggas in America who face the retribution of said Ronald Reagan. But yes, let's continue.

[Mecca]

Every nigga is a star. That's where I wanted to start. That's where I want to start off. Every nigga is a star. No thanks to Ronald Reagan. So before we get into this, I want to say we will survive Donald Trump because our forefathers survived Ronald Reagan. And yes, much like in the 90s, we came out on the other end with some chinks in our armor. But I mean, look at what happened after Ronald Reagan. We got like some of the best art ever. Hip hop flourished, TV flourished. Hello, Black America flourished. And we got the blackest time in media on tv, if you think about that. And everything has a cause and effect. The pendulum is constantly swinging. What we're going to see, like the country is going so far towards being so white and conservative. But the thing is, it's too many motherfuckers in America who are not white and not men, who are not going to benefit from the policies and the things that are attempting to be put in place by this administration that by the end of this, you're going to see a pendulum swing again. Yes.

[Jameela Bell]

Because one thing, as a people, we are super Resilient, like not even trying to be like super corny and like, you know, like, hoorah, hoorah. But like, you have to really look at it. Like, historically speaking, those troubled times, like, create a lot of art and resurgence and things. We always talk about recession indicator, even when you look at the Bush administration. Bush and Reagan are arguably two of the worst presidents we've had in history yet. And still, pop culture wise, some of the best decades, some of the best eras in pop culture. Because a hard times, sad, tired people create really magical and amazing art and pop culture moments. It just happens that way. So now where we're currently dropping into a fucking recession, Cold War, whatever the fuck else we're into, baby, we just got sinners.

[Mecca]

I'm saying it's like, are you guys not. Are you guys not seeing it? There's a reason the roaring twenties was the roaring twenties. We had just left about a World War I. There's a reason that the fifties and sixties for music. And we saw the creation of television and the network was so fucking lit because we had just came up out of World War II. There's a reason y' all are obsessed.

[Jameela Bell]

With the early 2000s.

[Mecca]

We had just survived fucking 9, 11.

[Jameela Bell]

And 2 Bush administrations. Fuck. Fuck yeah. We started to just say hip hop, give a fuck.

[Mecca]

Hip hop was born during the first. During the Reagan administration, we would literally.

[Jameela Bell]

Not have the evolution of gangster rap transitioning into what we have now without the. The fuckery of the war on fucking drugs.

[Mecca]

Because Shout out to Flavor Flav. I know Everyone only knows. And that's why Angela's old ass dated Reid was so funny when she called Shamia Flavor Flav and they were trying to make it a colorism thing. And it was like, no, that's just. That was a really old reference. Flavor Flav is known for being the best hype man, but they were conscious rappers during. During the Reagan administration.

[Jameela Bell]

Hello. Clock into the Public Enemy.

[Mecca]

Clock into Public Enemy. Niggas with Attitude was called Niggas with Attitude for a reason.

[Jameela Bell]

Straight Outta Compton, Crazy mother hq. Like, let's get into the history of hip hop with struggle. Shout out to deontay.

[Mecca]

Do the Knowledge, nigga. Do the Knowledge, nigga nigga, damn.

[Jameela Bell]

I'm telling you, the 80s is such, like, I want so much content from the 80s. If you know people in your life that lived through the 80s, just ask them questions. My daddy told me that was doing. Doing cocaine like they do weed now. Like that. I need to know that type of information. I need to know That I wanna. I wanna. I wanna know and I want to hear the. The. The stories of our past generations and how they were getting by. Because that's exactly what the. Is going on now. The only thing that's changed is the people in power and the medium in which we express. Back in the day, they had records. Frick it, frick it, baby. Now we got Spotify.

[Mecca]

Well, dude, you know, you know what I'm saying? You know, I don't think I pray Ryan makes the choice to create a sinner's universe. But I really don't think that Ryan is the only great art that we're gonna see during this administration. I think he himself is going to drop some great shit, but we're gonna see a lot of great shit from a lot of black people because that's just the way this shit works. Unfortunately.

[Jameela Bell]

We get inspired through pain. And, you know, it's funny because another sinner's reference, because I'm trapped in it right now. There was a part that I wanted to acknowledge and I talked about it in my review analysis. If you haven't checked it out, check it out now on my YouTube channel. There was a point in the movie where Delta Slim is recalling a story about his friend being lynched. And right after he starts to hum. And what I said was, you have to acknowledge that that is the epicenter, that is the development of blues right there. Blues came from talking about these struggles, talking about the pure pain. And that's why blues sounds the way that it sounds. That's why it's so incredibly soulful. So even when we talk about the music, inspiration, the films, the fashion, the pop culture, all of the things that we contribute to, a lot of it starts with pain. Because pain can be such an incubator for success, I fear.

[Mecca]

And if. If you want to get a churchy reference, because, you know, I'm going to take it. I'm going to take it there. There's a difference between black and white church and what we in the black church called being oily. What do you think being oily is? There is no testimony without a what? A test. All of them runs. All of that singing from your gut. Where does that come from? And why. And why are white.

[Jameela Bell]

Why is.

[Mecca]

What is it called the Christian contemporary? Contemporary, contemporary, you know, our Father.

[Jameela Bell]

They don't need God immediately. They think of God as like their friend in the sky that they speak to every now and again. You know, God. Black people's relationship with God is.

[Mecca]

It's who you are.

[Jameela Bell]

It's Immediate. It's who you are. Like.

[Mecca]

And I'm loved by him. That has no. Like, yeah, cool. I love.

[Jameela Bell]

There's no urgency.

[Mecca]

There's no urgency in that.

[Jameela Bell]

There's no urgency there. And it's funny because I think Kevon Sage did a bit about this in his standup. He did. He did. Like, when you go. When you go to black people's church, you something. I need you now.

[Mecca]

What I need now.

[Jameela Bell]

Now I need you.

[Mecca]

That. Not a second or another minute.

[Jameela Bell]

Not another minute, God damn it.

[Mecca]

Not an hour or even a day. Okay, Smokey.

[Jameela Bell]

Mind you, Smokey Norfol.

[Mecca]

Talk about it. Old.

[Jameela Bell]

Old. There's no. There is no coincidence that a lot of our greatest. Yeah, a lot of our greatest artists come from some of the most horrific backgrounds. Y' all never seen the movie Ray that was damn near born a slave. Yeah. But, my God, his music transcends. Oh, I got a woman way over down. And that's good to me.

[Mecca]

Oh, yeah.

[Jameela Bell]

Let me tell you something about Ray Charles.

[Mecca]

Listen. Okay. And Jamie Foxx.

[Jameela Bell]

There was pain that he brought up into those stories. That, that, that. That's why you can tell the difference between somebody who's been through it and ain't really with a voice alone.

[Mecca]

We're gonna take a break.

[Jameela Bell]

And we're back.

[Mecca]

Hold up, Pause. Talk about it. You know, just to take it back to that conversation that people like to have about suburban blacks. And when suburban blacks like to cosplay like they're. You know why it's not hitting? Because that's not your struggle. And to take it a step further, we can hate on it. But why was Aubrey so successful? Because that nigga came out and said, listen, my daddy ain't shit either, but I was living in my mama basement and we was pretty old. I was on Degrassi. But I just wanna send y' all a little tune. You can show your struggle and still be yourself. Hello.

[Jameela Bell]

Mm. You absolutely can.

[Mecca]

That nigga said boo hoo authentically. You sad story. Black American dad story. And it's a bunch. And it's a bunch of niggas from the hood, the suburbs, and all in between who got that. He didn't have to act like he was a fake ass hood nigga. He didn't start doing that until ten years into the. Into his tenure. And I don't know why the fuck he started doing it. And it instantly became.

[Jameela Bell]

Aubrey, that's not you.

[Mecca]

That ain't even how you act. Okay, stop.

[Jameela Bell]

Who is this for? Like, who.

[Mecca]

Who is you?

[Jameela Bell]

Talking to, like, we don't know you, nigga.

[Mecca]

Heartbreak Drake, the man who likes to talk to girls and tell us how they hurt his feelings and how they. And how they don't want him because he's not a hood and told you you was never gonna be Trey songs. And who would want to be Trey songs at this point?

[Jameela Bell]

Hello. Let history tell it, baby.

[Mecca]

Well.

[Jameela Bell]

One thing about it, I'm going. Got the. And you got to rock when you hum. It adds.

[Mecca]

It adds. It adds to the. The harmonizing. Oh, don't let somebody have a tambourine. I feel like, you know how they say all black people can sing? And I don't think all black people could sing. I just think black people. You don't want me to speak.

[Jameela Bell]

Let me tell you. Let me be the first to tell you. All you niggas cannot sing. I be hearing something, I be hearing it. I be like, oh, that's off. But a lot of us can hold a note.

[Mecca]

And that's what I was. We could hold. And we know how to harmonize, because naturally, especially if you're like, churchy, me and Jamila just got up here humming.

[Jameela Bell]

We ain't practice this shit, you know?

[Mecca]

But if we were more honest about all black people not being able to sing, I think rhythm and blues would be in such a different way right now.

[Jameela Bell]

And in this essay, I will. Rhythm and blues has taken on many different meanings. We have a interesting. We're at an interesting crossroads right now with the genre of rhythm and blues. And I think that people are really trying so hard to not deviate when they need to. I think it's perfectly okay to have a different set section in the R and B category, because that's what's happening. All you niggas ain't neo soul, and that's okay, but we can't. Because if I'm on my Spotify neo soul playlist, some of them artists shouldn't pop up no shade of disrespect. I wasn't trying to listen to Summer Walk. I was trying to listen to Jill Scott. It's just a difference. That's all I'm saying.

[Mecca]

They're categorizing Summer Walker as neo soul.

[Jameela Bell]

It came up in my shuffle for neo soul. I put neo soul radio. I said, now that. That ain't neo or soul. No. You know why?

[Mecca]

And isn't this an issue with the Grammys? Just cause you're black, they want to put you in the R and B category, bitch.

[Jameela Bell]

This is pop, Jesus.

[Mecca]

This is pop.

[Jameela Bell]

We need to reconfigure these categories. We need to understand how to place certain genres of music. Oh, my God. Shout out to the cowboy called. Because, my God, y' all just be throwing any type of up in the, ah, R B, hip hop. Wait a minute.

[Mecca]

Why is Brother Boy coming up on the R B playlist? He simple. Tony Braxton don't mean us R and B. Because he's simple.

[Jameela Bell]

Make sense.

[Mecca]

And to hear that, tell her this is Afro fusion. This ain't even Afro beats.

[Jameela Bell]

Dare I say that's one thing Nicki Minaj ate on. Oh, maybe I can get the barbs back on my side. I'm with you sometimes.

[Mecca]

Got that super bag. Cause that shirt sometimes out there with you, that shirt, it sound like them Katy Perry songs, them Gaga songs from 2010. It was sort of all been the same.

[Jameela Bell]

I'm with y' all when y' all right, Barbs. I'm with y' all when y' all right. Sometimes we need to change the way we categorize some of these things.

[Mecca]

Much like a broken clock, Nicki is right twice a day. Do be she be right sometimes do.

[Jameela Bell]

Be with her little crazy soul.

[Mecca]

I enjoy. I used to love.

[Jameela Bell]

Let me tread lightly.

[Mecca]

I used to love me some queen radio. You think Harriet Tubman was eating her fucking rice? Because why was Harriet Tubman eating rice, Nikki? Where we even get that from?

[Jameela Bell]

You know, I love how chaotic she is, you know, because for me, I love anybody who is so authentically themselves that it's like, it's almost hard to replicate. Like, there's nobody that could do Nicki without obviously be trying to be like Nikki. You know what I mean? So, like, anybody who has that in them, like, I'm always gonna have a soft spot for them in that way, because it's like, I don't. Nigga, you bitch. You know you fucking crazy. And you know what stand in that? You know what I'm saying? Cause anybody who tries to get up.

[Mecca]

Here.

[Jameela Bell]

We know they trying to eat off Nikki. We know that. So it's like, you ate that one little. You ate that one little. You know what I'm saying? Like, a lot of can't do what you do. And that's te.

[Mecca]

I feel like motherfuckers need to be okay with getting caught. You a little crazy, huh?

[Jameela Bell]

And can I just say that I don't think that it's ableist to call somebody crazy. Am I as somebody who people can call crazy? I think I can speak on that.

[Mecca]

Listen, I see what an able. I see where that thought comes from. If you wouldn't want to be ableist, I would say it's okay to call somebody a little kooky, a little quirky.

[Jameela Bell]

We can change the verbiage all we want. Coo, coo, crazy nuts, crazy bitch, you're crazy.

[Mecca]

And it's okay.

[Jameela Bell]

It doesn't mean. I think that sometimes I think that when we try to over intellectualize our.

[Mecca]

Lives, a good word.

[Jameela Bell]

And the way that we communicate colloquially, we are therefore thus as such whitewashing the way.

[Mecca]

Regardless of therefore, mind you, I think.

[Jameela Bell]

That there is a case to be made about the way in which we are watering down our colloquial languages. And me saying, that's one crazy ass motherfucker. That's not me being ableist. That's me participating in blackness. You can't you debate me. You anti black. Shut the fuck up. See how I did that there? Sometimes we can, you know what I'm saying? See how I just. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't know, I just think that we need to be willing to bend a little bit just to be able to bend.

[Mecca]

It's cool.

[Jameela Bell]

We cool.

[Mecca]

You know what, Jameela, I think you did say a good word in terms of especially like apps on TikTok US over intellectualizing and trying to use too many words, thus therefore coming off very condescending. Hello. Trying to sound smart when you could break it on down. And I say that as someone who has a dad who did not graduate high school and a mom who has multiple degrees, you can say anything in layman's terms. And for those who don't know what layman's terms means, you can say anything regular sex, simply so that the average man can understand.

[Jameela Bell]

And let me just say this one other thing there. It actually makes you seem a lot more smart when you're able to break that shit the fuck down.

[Mecca]

Hello. Hell yeah.

[Jameela Bell]

If you can teach any motherfucker in this world some crazy ass concept, you just might be the smartest bitch. Not the bitch who using all the big words and can't dumb it the fuck down. Cause really that just me. You memorizing shit? You don't really know it, do you? Oh, got your ass. You don't really know it.

[Mecca]

And I fear not to deep not to delve or dive back into this bag. I fear this is where the leftist lost a lot of people. See all the, all the big, big, big, big words and like, what was that lady right after the election? I fear that's where Trump Got a lot of people.

[Jameela Bell]

Mm.

[Mecca]

One thing people do not want to feel is stupid. That's anybody. And the moment you start talking to people like they're stupid. And I'm just going to say this, I don't know if y' all realize it. On platforms like TikTok, when you're making videos, you. And yeah, maybe someone did not go to college or they haven't. They're not as degreed up as you in your tone and in your tenor and your attempt to use big words. Because even as an educated woman, I can tell when you adding words and putting flowery language in, it's not needed. We can all. And even a bitch who didn't go to college can tell that. And matter of fact, you see, but when I'm watching it, I'm like, oh, this bitch doing a whole bunch. But someone. But someone who didn't go to college gonna take it as condescending. Bitch, you think I'm dumb. And the thing is, so many people are not actually dumb. I don't necessarily think that. And again, this comes from my own experience. My parents were smart in different ways. My mother, smart as a whip. She is not street smart worth a damn. And I say that with love. My father didn't go past high school. Stopped helping me with my homework when I was in second grade. Very street smart, head on swivel. A can look at someone tell, oh, he finna scam. You move. What the fuck about the way? See, there are different skills that make people intelligent in different ways. And if people could understand that, you could speak to the masses. Cause you not gonna get everybody using big words. Bitch. And bitch, I don't wanna hear you use big words all damn time either. Hello.

[Jameela Bell]

Hello.

[Mecca]

Not doing it.

[Jameela Bell]

And I think that here's the thing that happens all the time. And I can recognize it and I can spot it from a mile away. Because again, been there. I can call a spade a spade. Because, bitch, I've been a spade before. Sometimes when you are fresh off the table and you just learned a term, you just learned some shit, you be excited to tell somebody about it. And so what tends to happen is you start to get so fucking excited. Bitch, you wanna let everybody know you so smart. Bitch, I learned about intersectionality. But then you use it incorrectly. Oop. Got you. Oh, bitch, you just learned that word, didn't you? Oh, you were so excited. Bitch, you just learned that wor. You just learned that. You just learned that term. You just started reading the bell hooks and you're trying to Put bell hooks in real life, chapter by chapter, conversation by conversation. And it's not authentic at the marinade because you're. You're not under. You're not understanding how to dissect text and then apply it more when more sinners plugs.

[Mecca]

Because our comprehension, our analytical skills are in the gutter based on some of these tweets.

[Jameela Bell]

My God, do y' all. Somebody said, you niggas need to go back to watching power.

[Mecca]

And that was gonna be my next example. I was like, why do you think power is so successful? It's very simple. Why do you think beyond the Gates and soap operas were so successful? Because they're so simple. The dialogue's not. Why do you think Tyler Perry's so goddamn successful? The dialogue is easy to understand. This is actually part of the reason why Tyler Perry repeats a lot of his dialog so that you get the message. So that even though you. You don't have to be a thousand percent paying attention. You don't have to be the most educated motherfucker, you don't have to be the smartest person in the room, but, you know, where is my sister? They killed my wife. God damn it. Private road. Fucking road.

[Jameela Bell]

On the private road. On the private road. You mean on the private road?

[Mecca]

God damn it.

[Jameela Bell]

I was going down the private road.

[Mecca]

God damn it.

[Jameela Bell]

We're going to take a break.

[Mecca]

And we're back.

[Jameela Bell]

Well, we say all that to say Ronald Reagan, I hope you're rotten and held.

[Mecca]

I don't hope. I know.

[Jameela Bell]

Because, baby, the way you handle the HIV AIDS crisis alone should have you strung and skinned alive and burned at the stake. Because it's actually diabolical. It's insane.

[Mecca]

I mean. Yeah. I truly don't think that we, as current times and people who were not alive during the AIDS epidemic can even conceptualize how many people were lost. I know that we lived through Covid, and I think that that's the closest that we'll ever come to for sure. Because the way that the hospitals were.

[Jameela Bell]

Filled up, especially considering we also had a fucked up administration during that time. So we definitely had a parallel.

[Mecca]

We had a parallel. So I. I'm not gonna. I think. Hmm. The AIDS epidemic was so elongated. Like, imagine that we're five years post Covid. We're not completely out of COVID because now we know we have different strands, all these different things. But that moment where there were no hospital beds, where they were fast tracking graduating bitches out the nursing school, I personally know a couple girls who got fast tracked and didn't even have to do a whole bunch of shit that usually nurses gotta do because the nurses were like, we can't do this. They needed people X, Y and Z. And that happened for such a short amount of time. Think, think that's going on for a decade.

[Jameela Bell]

Yeah.

[Mecca]

Insane, nonstop.

[Jameela Bell]

And I want to touch on something because this is something I've thought about and I haven't heard too many people talk about this point specifically. And it'll kind of tie into where what we can talk about now, as in just being safe. So what made the AIDS epidemic so harmful because of the administration is once the administration realized that it was sexually transmitted and that a lot of people in the gay community, specifically gay men, had higher rates of transmission, they didn't give a fuck. Right. It was like, well, shit shouldn't be gay type shit. Right. And so they were not handling it appropriately. But I want to talk about why it kind of was having a higher transmission rate amongst gay men specifically. When we talk about sexual health, we have to think about how sexual health has never really been talked about appropriately. Because even when we talk about the use of condoms, a lot of times the use of condoms was told as pregnancy prevention alone. Think about that when you're talking about gay men. When pregnancy prevention is not something that was necessary. Right. I. E. A lot of condoms was not being used. Right. And so the conversation about safe sex needs to be more expansive. Now, present day we know that condoms can absolutely help Prevent from other STDs and STIs. However, commonly spoken condoms are used to prevent babies. And that's the only way that we talk about it. And so when we think about, you know, think back to the 80s where sex health was, those aren't conversations being had in school, you know what I'm saying? They weren't. Only thing they were talking about was don't have no babies at 15. That was always the only conversation. Even then it was babies got a.

[Mecca]

Wedlock, you know what I'm saying?

[Jameela Bell]

Like the conversations were not appropriate, they were not educational. It was just all about shunning. It was never, there was never any sex positive conversations, especially considering you're talking about, you know, the gay community. They were just trying to exile those people, you know, from, from, from mainstream. They didn't even, they for fuck sure didn't want to talk about sexual health and preservation in the gay community. So then we have this disease that is kind of running rampant and don't have no type of control because there's not adequate representation in in the, in the sex health realm. And so now we have a fucked up administration.

[Mecca]

Another time who didn't give a damn.

[Jameela Bell]

Was not putting forth money to help. It was through grassroots and local, local nonprofits, honestly that really helped save lives.

[Mecca]

Through the AIDS epidemic. Think of the celebrities who were affected. Cause motherfuckers been gay in Hollywood since its inception. You had people. Rock Hudson died from AIDS during the 80s. Elizabeth Taylor, his close friend became a big advocate. Princess Diana, Michael Jackson. You had was the young man Ryan who got it from a blood transfusion at school. Easy E dye and that's. And then Magic Johnson. When you start seeing AIDS can hit. We're seeing the black community, but like hetero CIS men. Oh.

[Jameela Bell]

Now obviously now we want to have a conversation.

[Mecca]

Okay, catch it, catch it.

[Jameela Bell]

Interesting.

[Mecca]

It can get you too. So you know, be safe. You know, my whole thing is safe sex is great sex. Make sure that you are getting tested every three months or after you go raw. Okay. It's, it's imperative. Don't be out here fucking, fucking everybody raw. Everybody. Don't. I know y' all want to feel. I know you want to feel some war.

[Jameela Bell]

I know you want to feel. Go get the Trojan thins.

[Mecca]

I mean there are so many advancements with condoms at this point that you know, you could still feel that pulse if you, if you really want to. Yeah.

[Jameela Bell]

Like there we have to just start to be better because at some point we do have to talk about the self accountability that comes with contracting sexually transmitted illnesses and diseases.

[Mecca]

Yeah. I think nobody wants to victim blame but you know, once you're in that situation, it simply becomes self preservation. And self preservation is done by who? Self. So it is oneself. Oneself. I can't go get tested for you. I can't take the medication for you. I can't do any of this for you. You have to do that for yourself. And that's like a lot of things it seems, you know, the accountability aspect.

[Jameela Bell]

Yeah. We have to, we have to do what we can to protect ourselves. And, and of course when things happen, you know, figure out how to fix that thing and go about your day. It's also not a situation where you need to feel like you, it's the end of the world if you, you know, come to a situation, you do, you know, you contract an sti, go to the doctor. And here's the thing, you should be catching it early because you're supposed to be getting tested regularly, right? Uh huh. Correct. So if you, you know, somehow contract an sti, go to the Doctor, get your meds and go about your day. Because as we stand right now, all of the things have some sort of medication, treatment or something, even if it's quote unquote uncurable, like an HIV type of shit, there is treatment.

[Mecca]

Complications from HIV leads to aids and HIV is a virus that if gone untreated, can lead to aids. So if you were to get a virus like any virus, what do you go do? Go to the doctor and get your medication? Absolutely.

[Jameela Bell]

And there's also ways now to kind of help prevent. A lot of gay men have already been tapped into prep, but it's not just, just available for gay men. It's available for any and everybody who.

[Mecca]

Is able to get access to goddamn prep too.

[Jameela Bell]

Yeah, like let's go ahead and, and start opening those conversations. Especially if you're somebody who is non monogamous and don't necessarily see yourself going towards that in, in any way. The. You should probably be double protected in any way possible. So yeah, do those things. It's really important because, you know, we lost a lot of people from the HIV AIDS epidemic and we really didn't need to. Of course, a lot of that is to blame with the administration. It's really sickening when you think about it. Actually, my uncle, my mom's brother died from complications of AIDS, I think in 1991. So he contracted in the 80s. And I remember my mom telling me that when he contracted it, it was still so new to everybody. Like nobody really knew what the fuck this shit was.

[Mecca]

Right.

[Jameela Bell]

Think early Covid similar to that. Nobody knew what was going on. Nobody really knew how it was necessarily contracted. And my grandmother was taking care of him. He had ended up moving back home. My grandmother was taking care of him and because nobody else wanted to really be around because again, it was a gay cancer. Yeah, we didn't really. Your mama would at that point in time. So she was, she ended up getting like his own set of like utensils and plates and things and just kind of separating certain things so that she could, you know, protect herself. Of course, again, this was before y' all get to type and this was before anybody knew all the details about, you know, how to contract and things like that. So that was something that like my family had to experience and see firsthand. And none of my siblings even met him because he died so early on. And he had such a life that we don't know about and we talk about it all the time because it's so surreal because finding out that, you know, he was into at least. He was at least into drag. At the most, he was possibly a trans woman. We don't know, because there's a lot that we don't know about, you know, his life and what, you know, transpired before he contracted hiv. And my siblings, who are both gay, y' all know, we talk about that all the time. Like, what could that have done for them to have a relative so close being out? And what could that have changed for their essentially sexual awakening? Essentially? And what. What could Having access to that person, what could that have done for their life instead? And we talk about that all the time, and we can just talk about that in general for the general public. What could we have seen differently if we had all of our gay brothers and sisters, aunties and uncles still here, living throughout to change history? I'm always interested to see how that would have been, because we lost a lot of people, specifically in the queer community. Like, I always think about stuff like that.

[Mecca]

Yeah. I think that's why they were talking about this at TS Madison Starter House opening, that being a elder in the LGBTQ community is really seen as, like, a blessing. I mean, because you have people from this generation now who are so much older, like, our parents age, who are the grandparents age, who most of their peers, a lot of their peers did not make it past, what, the early. Their early 20s, their mid-20s, you know, so you got a lot of people feeling like. And that's why I like to hear older people speak in general. Not just obviously in, like, the LGBTQ community, but I really like to hear older, like, trans women older. And let me put. Let me specify black. Okay. But, you know, I like to hear everyone talk, but I do like to hear older black queer people speak because I feel like their stories are so powerful because they are truly from a different time. They are truly from a time where the expression that we are afforded now was really not thought of. And some of the conversations that I've seen online, even with how they express themselves to younger people, and this happens with CIS people, older black people, too. Y' all do too much. But it's because you're saying that because you were not even given that opportunity to think, to do so, you wasn't thinking about the too much. So us, like, yeah, it's coming off pompous in a way. It's coming off like we're entitled in a way, because, you know, you can't even conceptualize, like, that this is a possibility. And so I can just say, like, having older parents in a General sense. I give a lot of baby boomers grace. I give a lot of people older from a certain, you know, pre1960, and honestly, even pre1970, a lot of grace. Cause some of the shit that they've had to deal with and see is some shit that we don't even, you know, we're the generation that grew up. Even though it's not true, even though I don't really feel like that. They did tell us in school, everyone's equal. They did tell us in school, oh, you can be anything you want to be. And then we turned around within our childhoods and watched Barack Obama become president and was looking at our parents like, why is you so excited? I remember when I was in middle school, because my whole life I had been told I was equal to white. I grew up in California. I was in white classes. So I was never. You know, you're fed that rhetoric, and it's not till you get older and grown that you realize, oh, that's not really. Y' all was just trying to do the okie dokie perspective.

[Jameela Bell]

That perspective is everything. Like, I think about that often. I remember. I think everybody, especially around our age group, specifically remembers the election of Barack Obama and just how it occurred to our parents. Like, that was such a catalyst moment. That was such a memorable time, because that's when our awareness for just how we exist in the world started to kind of really come true. And watching how invested our parents were and like, almost like, almost in this, like, please, God. Just something like, it was just like having that. It's like, damn. Again, we talked about in the beginning of this episode, the evils of Reagan, right? So it's like, imagine our parents living through a Nixon, a Reagan, a couple of Bushes shit, you know, even Bill Clinton, even though he is prepped up as an amazing Democrat. Bill, we know about that Crime bill. So you know what I'm saying? There were things that our parents had to look at.

[Mecca]

And justice for Monica Lewinsky.

[Jameela Bell]

Listen.

[Mecca]

Hello.

[Jameela Bell]

There are things that our parents lived through and so. And just older generations in general. And so when they look at us as almost if, like, you had it easy. Even though it doesn't feel like that to us. It's like sometimes I look at them, but it's like. But it's because of y' all. Like, we are only here and able to do this because of y' all. Even if it doesn't feel like. Even if it. Even if sometimes it doesn't feel like the younger generation don't be giving y' all y' all tens. Sometimes us being in opposition to authority is the thanks to you.

[Mecca]

Yeah.

[Jameela Bell]

Sometimes us being, you know, the change and us disrupting those systems, that is our way of giving thanks and honor to y' all. Because y' all wasn't even able to do some shit like that. We're able to come up here and shake some shit up and be in control and kind of be in some of these boardrooms and even have the audacity in the first fucking place, because we are. We on y' all steps. We on y' all shoulders. So, shit, thank you. Thank you.

[Mecca]

Shit.

[Jameela Bell]

That's what y' all wanted to hear. Thank you, bitch. Thank you. Thank you, Auntie.

[Mecca]

Thank you, Daddy.

[Jameela Bell]

Thank you, Granddaddy.

[Mecca]

Thank you. We appreciate you. Mom, Mom, Mom.

[Jameela Bell]

Y' all ate that. You know, y' all ate them. Couple of things, like y' all old asses, please, no shade, please. Okay, well, period. Let's go ahead and spin it then.

[Mecca]

We're gonna take a break.

[Jameela Bell]

And we're back.

[Mecca]

Welcome to our segment. Spin it. This is where you can send your low down your messy, your salacious situations to unhingedandemoralpodmail.com and Jamila and I will put a PR spin on it so, you know, it looks good to the outside world. Now, full disclaimer. Jamila and I are not PR professionals. We just studied communications in school, and we love giving people a little bit of advice to get out of their little pickles with their dicks. Don't forget to let us know your age, your gender, and your race. Jameela, what do we have this week?

[Jameela Bell]

Hi, Mecca and Jameela. I really love this podcast. I think both of you are so funny and very pretty. Thank you.

[Mecca]

Thank you.

[Jameela Bell]

And I would like to apologize ahead for the grammar mistakes you're about to read. Okay, girl. Anyways, I'm 21 and I've been with my boyfriend, who's 22, for almost five years with no breakups, though we've made for almost five years with no breakUps, though. We've come close maybe two or three times. He's everything I want on paper. Smart, kind, well off. And we've talked about the future, and I can see myself living a very well life in that way. He can provide me with everything that I want, and I can do the same for him. But I go through stages where I get super emotionally and romantically unsatisfied, and everything about him irks me. I still enjoy spending time with him, but not as much since everything he does annoys me. And I feel like I want to break up, but it usually goes away after a bit. I think I really struggle being the one to break up because there is nothing clearly wrong. Two, whenever he's in the wrong, I do have a justification to break up with him. I am usually unable to do so because of a sort of emotional breakdown. He can be borderline emotionally abusive, manipulative. Those are my trigger words. Let me continue. Cause I was already.

[Mecca]

You already know. I was gonna say leave that nigga, but hold on. I'm. Okay, okay, okay.

[Jameela Bell]

But he don't really mean it.

[Mecca]

All right, baby. Okay. She's 21. She been with him five. She's been with him since she was 16. 15. Come on, finish the letter. Come on, finish.

[Jameela Bell]

And maybe that's a form of self harm, but that's another story. Well, you said it, not me, sister. I just want to know if I should break up with him. Yes. We've been together for five years. We're ldr. What the fuck that mean?

[Mecca]

Ldr?

[Jameela Bell]

Long distance. Is that Boarman? No, long distance relationship girl. Ldr.

[Mecca]

Bitch, is you, Barbin.

[Jameela Bell]

Okay, my bad. All right. We've been together five years and we are. We are ldr. And he's in a Muslim family, so we're only seeing each other once. Okay, so not okay. And that's three years in. And it feels so embarrassing on one hand because all my friends and family are like, because I'm really pretty, girl. But at the same time, is she Muslim? She said he's in a Muslim family, so it's giving sheet, not muz. Oh, please.

[Mecca]

It's too much, child.

[Jameela Bell]

And to answer his credit, he does. He's bought me loads. What the fuck, girl? Hold on. God damn it. I know you said some goddamn typos.

[Mecca]

She said typos. Now she.

[Jameela Bell]

Okay, well, let me go back and damn read. Cause bitch, I'm confused.

[Mecca]

She keep adding all the details in, though.

[Jameela Bell]

And it feels so embarrassing on one hand. Cause all my friends and family are like, question mark, question mark. Because I'm really a pretty girl. But at the same time, they do respect it, since he seemingly treats me well. And to his credit, he does. He's bought me loads. Like my first Dior bag, for example. You young bitches get on my goddamn nerves.

[Mecca]

Finish the letter, Jamila, please.

[Jameela Bell]

You know, I get frustrated, but it feels like his word is not what. It feels like his word is not able to hold up, which makes me more disappointed. And I know it's not his fault he can't control the weather or when his university moves his exams. But it truly is demoralizing. I see it as having two options. Waiting till he graduates from med school in 2026 and hopefully we'll be able to see each other more often and he'll be doing his residency or break up and live with the fact that number one, I might be letting my person go. Or two, I might have wasted all this time for my skeptic friend who hated my relationship from day one to have been correct. I don't really know what to do and I don't know how to spin it this to him and my family and friends. If I were to break up with him, I really need help. Thank you for responding. If you're able to Kisses from London. Oh, London, London. Girl, girl, girl.

[Mecca]

My sweet child. You have to leave that nigga.

[Jameela Bell]

You knew what you knew it was.

[Mecca]

Go say it was not going to say to stay with that man. Darling, darling, darling.

[Jameela Bell]

Oh dear God. Oh dear God. So rubbish.

[Mecca]

This is rubbish.

[Jameela Bell]

Darling. The moment you said to me that you sound like Dorit, you sound like.

[Mecca]

Fucking Dorit right now.

[Jameela Bell]

He really fucking focused. Cause I like my London accent. Low key. Good. So let me really focus. The moment you realize that you were in a emotional and manipulative relationship, even if you thought that it wasn't seriously emotionally abusive, it was a little bit to you you decided that you're kind of annoyed with him at all times of day. Everything that he does right pisses you off.

[Mecca]

Pissed off he saw.

[Jameela Bell]

Oh piss on that bruv. You're not in love with him. And I think that you just needed to hear me say that. Darling, you're not in love with him. Exo. Exo.

[Mecca]

Listen, I can't even. I can't even bring myself to do the accent. Bitch, if you don't leave manding them mandam. Mandam Bitch if you don't leave mandam. First of all, there were so many red flags during this shit. And you know what's crazy? This past week, Jameela was a nice one. Or Jameela was being mean and revved up and I just feel like this is too much. You, you and you going drop that you in a long distance relationship in the middle meat of the. You should have led with that young lady.

[Jameela Bell]

Fuck that.

[Mecca]

Let me tell you something.

[Jameela Bell]

And then you talk about long distance. I'm assuming he's here in America since you said kisses. Kisses from London.

[Mecca]

No, I think he might be. They don't you Know London, they got different countries real close. And ain't like America like going to a different state. It's like going to a different.

[Jameela Bell]

But. But damn near that wouldn't be that, that, that ain't that long distance then. But I think that somewhere across pond, right?

[Mecca]

No, he's across the pond. What I'm trying to say, bitch, fuck that.

[Jameela Bell]

They think two hours is long.

[Mecca]

That's what I'm saying.

[Jameela Bell]

They in a long tea.

[Mecca]

Boston tea party.

[Jameela Bell]

Tea tea.

[Mecca]

Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. One you talking about you gonna see him more when he do his residency. You're never gonna see this girl.

[Jameela Bell]

Him and that residency. Him and that residency finna find a new. He's Muslim.

[Mecca]

And it don't sound like you Muslim. He ain't finna marry you, bitch.

[Jameela Bell]

Talk about he gave you your first Dior bag. Well, bitch take that Dior bag and go find you a new to get you a Chanel. The fuck you talk. And God, God, you thought you ate.

[Mecca]

With that girl and then you been with the nigga since you was 15, 16. You said she 21. Talk about talking about you getting annoyed because you just want to break.

[Jameela Bell]

You want to break up with him.

[Mecca]

Cause you grown and you ain't never been with no other nigga. And you can't even.

[Jameela Bell]

Because what the fuck is you doing with the same nigga you was with when you fucking 15? Bitch, only one out of every 100 high school relationships will ever be successful. You're not the one, bitch. No shade because if you was, the ring would already be on you.

[Mecca]

Well, and he's Muslim, so they be.

[Jameela Bell]

Into getting married real early life.

[Mecca]

You would have been had that ring, bitch. And you ain't met his family or he ain't met your family worth the. Oh, girl, I don't even wear. Ain't nothing to spend you need. No, there is something to spend. Cause she said she bad at breaking up. This what you gonna do. You said you in a long distance relationship any motherfucking way. So you ain't even gotta see him. You better text that nigga hello. Text that.

[Jameela Bell]

And I mean, I don't know how. I don't know how. Because sometimes it's more of a you don't want to be in the wrong type shit. So if you. If you really so pressed about being in the wrong type shit and you don't want people to think that you just let a good man go do. Do some shit to make him break up with you. Like that way you could be like, it wasn't me. Like, he just felt. But to be honest, like, you could always just, like, cheat.

[Mecca]

Why aren't you cheating now?

[Jameela Bell]

Cause, hey, hey, hate to break it.

[Mecca]

To you, the nigga don't live there.

[Jameela Bell]

He's cheating. He's cheating on you. This is obviously. We are the. We're supposed to be like the devil and angel on your shoulder. We're both the devil right now. We have like. Like, I don't even know if this is to be. I just need you to get it through your thick ass head that this relationship isn't going anywhere. So whatever I can say to get that through your thick ass skull, I'm gonna say it. He's cheating on you. He doesn't love you, and you don't love him. Leave that today. That Dior bag.

[Mecca]

And you. You acting like you got to get a doctor back. If he was he not even buying you a. Is he buying you a doctor every other month? Every month.

[Jameela Bell]

Two weeks, mind you. You said that as if that was the best part of the fucking relationship, bitch. Like, oh, he treats me so well. He got me my first dior bag, bitch. Cardi B got 800 fucking Birkins in her closet right now and a divorce right next to it. Who gives a fuck about a goddamn bag, bitch. Is he nice?

[Mecca]

Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. You collect a bag from every you meet. Matter of fact, I got a closet full of designer bags from. And the moment I don't want to be with her no more, would I. I leave that. I got. I got a bag right now that I just got for my birthday.

[Jameela Bell]

Beautiful bag.

[Mecca]

Love it. Love it.

[Jameela Bell]

I get it.

[Mecca]

It's fun. It's fun. It's fun to get a bag from a boy.

[Jameela Bell]

Get the bag. But if the boy get in all the bags.

[Mecca]

But if the boy's not making you happy, bruv, if the boy. You don't even sound like you're happy, mom. It sounds like, man, it's gibbonish. God.

[Jameela Bell]

You need to take your fucking beans on toast and go somewhere else, bitch. I'm sick and tired of y' all thinking that the material is the emotion. You're not happy with him. Bitch, you ain't smiled in months. You probably ain't even been getting a good orgasm. Cause you ain't seen his ass in person. You've been wearing that rose out. You didn't charge that rose more times than you should charge a rose in the year. Cause you've been wearing that out. Cause you Ain't been with that in so long. And I guarantee you when you using that rose, you ain't even thinking about him. You think another next. So guess what you need to do Go get the next.

[Mecca]

Because one thing about a rose. All you got to do is charge it overnight. That basically be charged for a month.

[Jameela Bell]

You'll be charged for three bucks charged your shipping running out of a charge for two weeks cuz you been.

[Mecca]

I I.

[Jameela Bell]

You know it only take 15 seconds.

[Mecca]

That's why I said I charge my you only got to charge that.

[Jameela Bell]

What's a month be like get that you get baby. That charge you turning up to that third.

[Mecca]

Hey that will happen.

[Jameela Bell]

Body be another sign that Mecca is crazy. What uses cycle three on the road Setter. What the says said number three. As if we could all relate. No that be using Turbo. She probably be using the ones with all them type of beast.

[Mecca]

You be like like actually.

[Jameela Bell]

Phase one is okay for me bitch.

[Mecca]

You know and you gotta go sometimes.

[Jameela Bell]

You guys rev it up.

[Mecca]

Hold up rev it up. You start phase one. Hold up. It's feeling go Phase two.

[Jameela Bell]

Rev it up, bitch. Hold on.

[Mecca]

Yeah but I make that bitch. I make that battery last a whole.

[Jameela Bell]

Month though the fuck Mecca house be sound like a fucking lawnmower in that bitch man.

[Mecca]

Chest type oh listen because that road that rose will have y' all. You don't know what the happening to your damn body. You got to put that what they said it up your sensation. You do. You can't just with the rose straight and then go to a child. He he get down there and feel like well what is you just licking and stopping and you ain't even.

[Jameela Bell]

That's why you need to get you a new Because I know you've been that rose up and that next time you get you a yeah you miss you ain't gonna you gonna be numb down there. Give it a break and go back.

[Mecca]

Give that a break.

[Jameela Bell]

Let me give that a break and go back to your fingers for a little while.

[Mecca]

Let me tell you something before I know I'm about to I'm about to get in some business.

[Jameela Bell]

I have to come up off Rosa.

[Mecca]

Cause I don't want to hear you. I'm gonna be irritated the you just licking and slopping it Just shut the down there.

[Jameela Bell]

Where is the turn on.

[Mecca]

Can I turn Can I click on.

[Jameela Bell]

Your where is.

[Mecca]

Exactly we gonna start.

[Jameela Bell]

Slapping in the next and the side of their head to turn the vol.

[Mecca]

Even play with the runs child the fact girl. But she'll get you through when you don't have no to call.

[Jameela Bell]

I tell you that much.

[Mecca]

Hallelujah.

[Jameela Bell]

Amen. Well, I hope you heard our advice. Young, young, young Grasshopper shouts out to London go get you a new Brev. Go get you a new man.

[Mecca]

Windrush generation Jamaicans, Nigerians, you Cambodians, Indians.

[Jameela Bell]

Ghanaians, something better take that dice you got Take that dice and roll it.

[Mecca]

Every diaspora out there you better go get you a new for real you better work.

[Jameela Bell]

Let's read these comments. I'm crying.

[Mecca]

We're gonna take a break and we're back.

[Jameela Bell]

All right, y' all. Okay, so we're about to read some of yalls amazing comments. Make sure you guys are leaving your comments. Make sure you guys are engaging with the podcast wherever it pops up. If you see a TikTok video, bitch, you better like comment and share it. If you see a video pop up on Instagram, same thing, bitch. If you see something pop up on your YouTube, Spotify, whatever. You need to comment, you need to like you need to subscribe and follow and share. Let all your friends know we love you. All right. This is from Apple. From Deja vu. Love y' all. I enjoy listening to y' all every week. Y' all are so right about Aries men. My husband is an Aries and I'm a Scorpio. I don't know which is worse but we work. He is younger than me by a year and a half.

[Mecca]

Ciao. Sound like what Jamila into. You see how she ain't deny it?

[Jameela Bell]

She said he is younger than her by a year. That's cool. That's cool.

[Mecca]

Be a young by a couple more. JD Said Jamila. Jamila crying emoji. You are all of those things I am screaming right now. Yeah, Jamila was on her was on a bean last week.

[Jameela Bell]

Mims, what was we even talking about.

[Mecca]

When she said another another emotional abuse situation and she said she ain't want to look stupid and you said you don't be remembering a damn thing you be saying.

[Jameela Bell]

My bad y' all.

[Mecca]

Mimzy58 said, I feel y' all especially the breakup friendship. I had the same experience at as the second try and it just didn't work anymore. Sad stuff but necessary. Raya said, I be so off about what I think y' all opinions would be lol. We love surprising y' all though.

[Jameela Bell]

I love that you'll never know.

[Mecca]

You'll never know. A rose said Yes. I love this episode about friendship breakups. I've only had one big one and I always feel bad about it, but it's nice to know it's a normal thing. Love, y' all. Thanks for the laughs every Thursday. Well, thank you for listening. Nene said no. Cause a good nasty coat in D.C. gonna eat every time. On, God. They're not hearing you Brunch pre Covid before Kobe was a thing. A good nasty, good nasty code in the wintertime. Um, Chef desi said it's 80 up here in NY oh. Cause the weather, it might be time. Come on.

[Jameela Bell]

Might be time to make my way, period. Thank you for letting us. All right, y' all, let's get into some of these YouTube comments. Kierab777 says friendship breakups do hurt a lot more than significant other breakups. But once that relationship is done, ain't no spinning the block. Love and light from a distance. And thanks for the memory shared. Damn, you strict bitch. I like that.

[Mecca]

I like that about you, bitch.

[Jameela Bell]

Astashar says Jameela's Drake pout is becoming a staple for her. What that mean?

[Mecca]

When you be looking, you be looking in the camera and pout and doing your lips like Drake. Yeah, on purpose. Well, I think it's your face, but I got what he was saying. When you be.

[Jameela Bell]

Oh, I just be staring into the camera. You know, I be trying to get face, baby. Anytime. I'm not talking.

[Mecca]

So do Aubrey.

[Jameela Bell]

Poppy be trying to get her face too, bitch. I'm crying. Yeah, I be trying to. You know, I am a. I am a child of Tyra Banks. Oh, did you see that smiles, bitch?

[Mecca]

Did you see that clip of that girl? Was it from Naomi Campbell? And it said, give us your best face. And she went.

[Jameela Bell]

It was so funny. I'm crying. Okay, this is from Doses of Precious. I am very excited for the review of Sinners. Next week. You better tap into my review and analysis on Jamila Bell. Thank you. And the convo about female friendship is really how I felt about around some of my friends, but I couldn't put the right words. Yeah, it be like that sometimes. DFJ232 says we love a nasty coat.

[Mecca]

They love a nasty coat with some fur on the.

[Jameela Bell]

On the collar at Vanessa.

[Mecca]

Who?

[Jameela Bell]

Vanessa Barlak 9981. I just started the episode, but Mecca matching her couch is sending me, child. Mecca was greened out, bitch. All Mecca was was a head. Last week, Melissa literally said she had.

[Mecca]

To edit it so that I wasn't blending in too much.

[Jameela Bell]

Yeah, she was looking like Elphaba. Whole screen was green, y' all.

[Mecca]

Could have put something on my body to, like, a green screen. We should do something funny.

[Jameela Bell]

I'm crying at lovely K25 says y' all. The spinning has me screaming. My favorite one so far. Well, I'm so glad you are entertained. And that young lady' misery at Daniel Peter 6271 says, as an empath, I felt this trying to get a friend to see themselves for how amazing they are is a heavy one on the spirit and starts to hurt you more than it hurts them.

[Mecca]

How you gonna win when you came right within?

[Jameela Bell]

Well, yes, indeed. Okay, y' all, let's get into some church announcements. Everybody buy it, y' all. We have officially dropped our first selection of Merchant. So if you are a Patreon members, you actually already had your first grabs. First dibs. Because we just love y' all a little bit extra. We do have mommy's favorites, too. Come to Michael. But now our merch is available for everybody, so we encourage you guys to go and, you know, get some. Get something. Of course, all the proceeds do go to us. Yes. This is not a. This is not a nonprofit, but it's important to support us because this is what me and Mecca do full time. This is helping pay the bills, but also helping pay us and kind of have a return on revenue, essentially. And that's, you know, super important so that we can keep doing this and keep expanding. But also, we want to. We want to create some stuff that y' all would like. We really took some time. We sent these. These ideas to Suki, who also does the merch for the Grits and Eggs podcast.

[Mecca]

Suki is so.

[Jameela Bell]

She's super talented.

[Mecca]

Talented. We literally just said, suki, we want something cool and hot and fun for our thoughts.

[Jameela Bell]

And she came up with these, and she's. She's an actual artist, y' all.

[Mecca]

These were. I was gonna say, this is not AI. This is not my quick little rant.

[Jameela Bell]

About how AI cannot replace our artist.

[Mecca]

It's not going to replace the artiste. So AI cannot conceptualize what Suki has conceptualized for both Unhinged Animal and Gritson X.

[Jameela Bell]

Exactly. So by supporting us, you are supporting her. So thank you guys so much. And we'll have some more drops soon. This is just the first one, but we will have more drops coming through. We're gonna. Baby, we gonna. We. We finna run suit you.

[Mecca]

Y' all don't pay artists Not Unhinged tomorrow.

[Jameela Bell]

Hello.

[Mecca]

Yeah.

[Jameela Bell]

And.

[Mecca]

And I'm sure she's got some good coochie, too. Child cuz. What the.

[Jameela Bell]

That's what's so. Why would you say that, man? That's what's so big. She's. That's the camera.

[Mecca]

That's the canvas.

[Jameela Bell]

Man, you can't say that about somebody that worked for you.

[Mecca]

Oh, not in that way, Silky girl. You know what I meant. You probably just be giving them hell cause your art's so good. Only. Only someone with good cat could come up with an art that good.

[Jameela Bell]

Shut up. Enough. This has been another amazing episode of the Unhinged and Immoral podcast. Tune in every Thursday, wherever you get your podcast.

[Mecca]

I feel like I can't even say nothing cause I'm in timeout. Well, y' all have a blessed week. Okay.

[Jameela Bell]

Bye, y' all. Good Lord. Bitch. What the Unhinged and Immoral is hosted by Jamila Bell and Mecca, produced by Melissa D?

[Mecca]

Montz and Diamond Imprint Productions, post production by Coco Lawrence, production assistant by Melanie.

[Jameela Bell]

D. Watson, music by Adi and Brooklyn.

[Mecca]

Billionaires and graphics by Claudia Choi.