Christian Church ReBrand

Summary

Podcast Summary: Unhinged & Immoral – Episode: "Christian Church ReBrand"

Release Date: July 31, 2025
Hosts: Jamila Bell and Mecca Evans
Produced by Diamond MPrint Productions

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1. Introduction to the School Supplies Controversy

The episode kicks off with Jamila Bell and Mecca Evans delving into the recent uproar surrounding school supplies. Jamila opens the discussion by expressing frustration over the heightened emotions surrounding what she perceives as a longstanding issue.

Jamila Bell [00:27]: "And boy, oh, boy, are y'all fussing and fighting over these goddamn school supplies. I mean, what's going on, guys?"

Mecca responds by critiquing the underlying values reflected in the debate.

Mecca Evans [00:57]: "I think that people should just say they don't value their children's education. Cause that's what it's giving."

2. Historical Context of Public School Decline

The hosts trace the decline of the public school system back to the Reagan administration, highlighting the erosion of educational programs over the decades.

Mecca Evans [01:37]: "There is a real and genuine conversation to be had about how since the fucking Reagan administration, the public school system has been on a downward trajectory..."

Jamila adds a touch of humor while acknowledging the persistent nature of school supply lists.

Jamila Bell [02:09]: "Any chance we get to blame Reagan? We shall."

3. Individualism vs. Community in the Black Community

The conversation shifts to the rising tide of individualism within the Black community, contrasting it with traditional communal values.

Jamila Bell [13:06]: "This individualist, like, oh, I'm only worried about me and mine. Me and my. Me and my."

Mecca elaborates on how societal shifts and therapy culture are influencing this trend.

Mecca Evans [14:15]: "We've been hearing that for the past 30, 40 years. And now I think the repercussions of us being like internalizing group being a negative thing."

4. The State of the Black Church and Non-Denominational Trends

A significant portion of the episode addresses the transformation within the Black church, particularly the rise of non-denominational churches and their impact on traditional practices.

Jamila Bell [21:53]: "There's a shift in religion and Christianity specifically within black folks within the past 10 years."

Mecca critiques the blending of different church traditions, arguing it dilutes the cultural essence.

Mecca Evans [24:07]: "When you started meshing and putting everyone together and don't shoot me integrating church... I don't want it to be watered down."

5. Influence of Evangelicals and White Supremacy

The hosts discuss the intertwining of evangelical Christianity with white supremacist ideologies, raising concerns about the broader societal implications.

Jameela Bell [35:18]: "that's tying into white supremacy. So while I do see a lot of Muslim rebrands and things like that or the conversions, a lot of it is not also tied into the white supremacy element."

6. Impact of Social Media on Christianity Rebrand

Jamila and Mecca explore how social media platforms have amplified the rebranding efforts within Christianity, making certain harmful ideologies more pervasive.

Jamila Bell [38:38]: "Then it's this everything is demonic, yet it only being tied into the black side of things."

Mecca adds that the rise of online influencers without theological backgrounds exacerbates the issue.

Mecca Evans [28:25]: "These people who had developed an audience were spewing things. And those type of people who don't speak from a theological standpoint were being way more focused."

7. Listener Segment: Long Distance Relationship Advice

In their "Spin It Now" segment, Jamila and Mecca address a listener's turmoil over a long-distance relationship fraught with mixed signals and infidelity.

Listener's Concern [49:00]: A 26-year-old transmasc individual describes intermittent communication with an ex and her involvement with another person, seeking advice on whether to proceed with a planned trip or end the relationship.

The hosts provide candid and straightforward advice, emphasizing self-respect and the pitfalls of long-distance relationships.

Mecca Evans [60:12]: "They can make it feel any kind of way. So don't, like, don't look too deeply."

Jameela Bell [61:46]: "So we say all that to say, friend, leave that bitch alone and get a new one."

8. Listener Comments Highlights

Towards the end, Jamila and Mecca share and react to various listener comments, primarily centered around pop culture references like Beyoncé and show appreciation for their audience's engagement.

Listener Comment [62:47]: "Dor Winifred Reed says if Beyoncé releases another movie in theaters, I'mma sneak a camera in for some old school bootleg."

Jameela Bell [66:24]: "All right, see you guys next week."

9. Conclusion and Final Remarks

The episode wraps up with reminders to visit their website for merchandise and a heartfelt thank you to their listeners for their support and feedback.

Jamila Bell [66:56]: "Unhinged and Immoral is hosted by Jamila Bell and Mecca, produced by Melissa D."

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Notable Quotes:

• Jamila Bell [00:27]: "And boy, oh, boy, are y'all fussing and fighting over these goddamn school supplies..."
• Mecca Evans [00:57]: "Cause that's what it's giving."
• Jameela Bell [35:18]: "tying into white supremacy."
• Mecca Evans [60:12]: "They can make it feel any kind of way."
• Jameela Bell [61:46]: "leave that bitch alone and get a new one."

Key Insights and Conclusions:

• Educational System Challenges: The episode underscores a deep-seated frustration with the declining support and funding for public education, linking current issues to historical policy decisions.

• Cultural Shifts: There's a palpable concern about the erosion of community values within the Black community, replaced by a surge in individualism influenced by broader societal trends.

• Transformation of the Black Church: The rise of non-denominational churches and their attempt to blend diverse traditions is seen as diluting the cultural and spiritual essence of the Black church, coupled with concerns about the increased influence of white supremacist ideologies.

• Role of Social Media: Social media is identified as a double-edged sword, amplifying harmful rebranding efforts within Christianity while also fostering a platform for questionable theological influences.

• Relationship Dynamics: The listener segment highlights the complexities and vulnerabilities inherent in long-distance relationships, emphasizing the need for clear communication and self-respect.

• Engagement and Community: The hosts maintain a strong connection with their audience, valuing listener feedback and fostering a sense of community through interactive segments.

This episode of "Unhinged & Immoral" offers a candid exploration of pressing societal issues, blending personal anecdotes with broader cultural critiques, all delivered with the hosts' signature unfiltered style.

Transcript

[Jameela]

She flowing in that cash talk Walk in the booth like Naomi on the catwalk and tell them bitches whoop, whoop from the jaguar it ain't even right, though Push me and I might go she ain't getting money I'm like, what the fuck the hype for when them bitches bite Flow make my appetite go poof Gone, Voila. Magic looking mad good just to pull up on them rampant. Welcome back to another episode of Unhinged and Immoral. I'm Jameela.

[Mecca]

And I am Mecca.

[Jameela]

And boy, oh, boy, are y' all fussing and fighting over these goddamn school supplies. I mean, what's going on, guys? Like, maybe the. Maybe the classrooms are asking for, I don't know, MacBooks or something this year. Like, what is it with the school supplies that has everybody in such a damn tizzy?

[Mecca]

I mean, listen, I think that people should just say they don't value their children's education. Cause that's what it's giving.

[Jameela]

And, you know, there's two different conversations happening. I think there's, like, a real, genuine conversation and concern about price gouging, about how, you know, we really shouldn't have to buy our kids school supplies because the school should supply them. Which very fair, very honest, true, you know, conversation. But then there's the other conversation happening where it's given. I ain't buying my kid a motherfucking thing. Make it do with that number two pencil and get your ass about this goddamn house. I'm not buying no teaching. No. And it's just giving. Ooh, Ooh. I like, whoa. Why are we angry?

[Mecca]

Okay, so what I think it comes down to is there is a real and genuine conversation to be had about how since the fucking Reagan administration, the public school system has been on a downward trajectory in terms of, like, what is it? The music programs, like, all the things the school used to provide, like back in the 80s versus when we were 90s, when we were kids, and now. But to your point, we had to buy school supplies, too. And that was 20 years ago.

[Jameela]

Yeah. Any chance we get to blame Reagan? We shall.

[Mecca]

Oh, yes. Yes. No. Do you see what I did there? Do you see what I did there? Actually, this comes back to everything being Ronald Reagan's fault.

[Jameela]

Yes. But, yeah, like, the school supply list is not anything new. Like, if this was something that just randomly came out of the blue, then I can understand the frustration, the confusion. But a school supply list has always been. And I'm 29 for reference, guys. Okay, So a school supply list and my sister's like 50. So the school supply list has always been. And it's been like, it's always been a part of like the whole thing. Like honestly, I used to really enjoy that little two week right before school because it was like the adrenaline of like, ooh, I'm finna go back to school. Like right before, like the actual school time hits you and then you remember, oh my gosh, I actually hate school. Like, you know when you start to miss your friends, you start to kind.

[Mecca]

Of miss class together.

[Jameela]

Exactly. And then you're planning the love. It was a whole thing. I remember our parents. Now, to be fair, I am not the bourgeoisie blacks. I am not the upper middle class blacks. I'm regular white.

[Mecca]

You can relate to. Never would have.

[Jameela]

Well, I mean, no, I wouldn't say that. Like I had both of my friends.

[Mecca]

Do you even know where that comes from?

[Jameela]

I saw your TikTok, but I don't really know.

[Mecca]

But do you know where it comes from?

[Jameela]

Maybe not. I don't know.

[Mecca]

Okay. The co founder of Maverick City.

[Jameela]

Ah, yes. Said that I did watch his he.

[Mecca]

Changed gospel music up interview because he couldn't relate to. Never would have made it because his parents are doctors.

[Jameela]

Let's pause on that because I, I'm. Because you know. Can we put that on?

[Mecca]

I have to come back to that.

[Jameela]

We will absolutely come back to that.

[Mecca]

I will come back to that.

[Jameela]

Ok. Melissa, remind us to come beat his ass real quick. I got it on the Comeback. I have a couple of points that I actually want to hit on that I completely forgot that shit happened.

[Mecca]

I was going to say, hold on. You are part of elitist organizations to.

[Jameela]

Complete out the conversation of school supplies and things, you know, very regular working class blacks. Both my parents had jobs, but you know, my dad has been a teacher for a very long time. We already know they get three nickels to rub together. So, you know, my parents was not breaking me. And my parents are the type of parents that. Why the fuck do you need a $50 book bag anyway? It's just a goddamn book bag. Like my parents never were the type to understand like the lure of like fancy shit that don't need to be fancy. Like you're using a pencil for schoolwork. It doesn't need to be fancy. They're them type of blacks. So, you know, we got number two wooden pencils, we got your basic notepad, the basic ass shit, bitch. But it was still very fun. We was going to Kohl's to shop because why you would get that Kohl's cash. In return, there were things that we did to match my parents budget. Right. Even though we weren't getting all the top notch things on the school supply list, my parents made sure that I had what I needed to at least pass that goddamn class.

[Mecca]

The fact that you don't want to.

[Jameela]

Send your baby to school with a pencil. Hmm, Crazy.

[Mecca]

Well, I didn't get the top notch things because my parents were old and was like, when I was your age, we didn't need all this. So I didn't actually start getting jam sports until high school. Up until that time, me and, me and Tarrington went to the thrift store and they would get us because mind you, their reasoning was so real. Like your kid. By the end of this year, by the end of this year, the backpack's gonna be dead dusted anyway. You don't need a brand new $100 backpack. They ate. They ate that. Yeah. Pencils. Yeah. No, they were. My parents were children in the 60s. They weren't buying us no mechanical pencils. Although I did enjoy throughout the school.

[Jameela]

Years of the generation also for some reason hated mechanical pencils. There was a. There was a beef between mechanical pencils and older parents.

[Mecca]

Literally one thing about it, I was going to steal somebody mechanical pencil because I needed them.

[Jameela]

That's all I ever did. That's the only reason I had them. My parents never bough.

[Mecca]

I never like, my mom never purchased me. But hold on. I saw you talk about this a little bit on TikTok and it brought me back in terms of if you were the kid who your parents bought you, like basic school supplies. Being a thief throughout the school year. And it's what set you up. Hitting licks on those who. Parents who were buying them the good shit.

[Jameela]

Exactly.

[Mecca]

I remember I stole this girl's mechanical pencil and she was like, that's my pencil. And I gaslit her. And I gaslit her so bad that everyone was like, no, that's her pencil.

[Jameela]

I just felt like, you know what I'm saying? It don't matter what my parents buy me. Cause I'm coming home with something. You know what I'm saying? I was stealing anything and everything. I mean, I'm stealing good paper, you know what I'm saying?

[Mecca]

Hello, the student paper. That's good paper. Not the dollar tree paper.

[Jameela]

There were times where my parents. I have to talk about how cheap my parents would be sometimes broke. There'd be times my parents did not feel like buying us notebook paper at the time. And do you Know that they would send us with copy paper because my mom is like a habitual office lady and would have stacks of office paper. I'm talking about plain white sheets of paper.

[Mecca]

That's beautiful. And I used to want to have plain white sheets of paper because it was so much better to me. I didn't like the lines, mind you.

[Jameela]

The writing all slanted and shit. I need the lines, bitch. I needed those lines. My shit just in a fucking rainbow.

[Mecca]

Fun fact. Just literally, I can write so good in a straight line because I really preferred, like, white paper.

[Jameela]

That's crazy.

[Mecca]

The other thing that's crazy about this conversation I made a TikTok about this is like, I just bought school supplies in the past few, like, two years, little moms went to middle school. So I know, like, the current price point in listing for things. If it's a priority for your children to have school supplies and do well in school, you can. You can rub them two nickels together and look around and see what you're going to do. Like I said, that's a priority for me. I feel like as Americans, we are all entitled to baseline education. And if you don't value that, then just go ahead and say that. Stop having a disingenuous conversation like buying your kids $10 worth of paper and pencils is irritating.

[Jameela]

Can I just. Can I chime in one time? The prices have gone up a little bit. Oh, yes, the prices for school supplies have. Because the thing is, the school supplies were always expensive. So I can only imagine, you know, how much they are now. Especially that for some reason, middle school. No.

[Mecca]

And that's why. That's why I said you needed. Why I said that. I just bought. I just had. And mind you, when she started eighth grade, which is when she came to live with me, that was when I was still on my dick. Like, I was not making money like that. Like, I literally on your dick. You never heard that? It's like a term for being broke. I'm on my dick right now.

[Jameela]

No, I haven't heard that before, bitch. Like, don't just say some new colloquialism that just pulled out your ass.

[Mecca]

It's a thing like, absolutely heard I'm on my dick right now. Like, on my dick.

[Jameela]

But it usually means like, oh, bitch, you're really on my dick right now. Like you're pro. I've never heard it mean.

[Mecca]

But you being on my dick is something different. I'm on my own dick.

[Jameela]

If I'm on my own dick, that means I'm Broke.

[Mecca]

Yeah. I'm on my dick. Yeah. You've never heard that?

[Jameela]

What region is that from?

[Mecca]

I actually don't know. I picked it up. I know I picked it up from one of the regions I've been in, but I don't want to put it on no one when I'm not sure.

[Jameela]

I am begging everyone right now to tell me where the fuck that is from. I ain't never heard that. Because I need to have a conversation. Because I was like, hold on, hold on, hold on. What'd you just say? I need everyone to chime in and let me know where the fuck is that from? And why would I be on my own dick for brokenness?

[Mecca]

Let me just go ahead and say it. I know people are gonna chime in and do prices and my Facebook bitches are gonna fail me. Sometimes with the babies. You gotta be Ms. Make It Happen. Like I said, I was on my dick when she came to live with me, but I know when school starts. It started the same month since I was a kid. And I did know that I was gonna have to budget and move things around. And I specifically said she went to middle school because middle school is when. What the fuck?

[Jameela]

You just need all.

[Mecca]

You just need all types of knickknacks and bullshit.

[Jameela]

Yeah.

[Mecca]

Compasses and mind you, I was. I went to. I was on Amazon heavy at the time. They had good prices. We were at church. What is this like church school, back to school drives. There's so many dollar tree. There is like the thing with school supplies. There's. If it's important to you, like there are resources. Like, if you really do care about your children, finding the supplies that they need for school and setting them up, you can absolutely find it that. I think that's where I'm coming. Cause I'm like, nah, I've been in that situation. I didn't have $200 to spend and. But I said, you know, it's important. She needs. She needs a motherfucking calculator to do whatever the fuck they finna calculate. And so.

[Jameela]

And the thing is, like, school is so important, guys. I think that we. We need to talk about how important school is for a multitude of reasons. So of course we can touch on the education component. Like the education that you get in school, specifically your mathematics, your Englishes, your social studies, all of those things, right? Your simple reading comprehension that, you know, the schooling that you have for those 12 years is going to set you up for the rest of your life. Genuinely. Truly. However, another component about School, that's super, super important that I don't hear a lot of people talking about is the socialization aspect of it. That's something that we literally learned in sociology. You are the way you are in the world. The way you show up is a component of three main things. Your home life, your school life, and the outside world perspective and the things that's happening around you. Those pivotal years in school is shaping your kids. You sending your kid to school with nothing on purpose. I'm not talking about the people who genuinely don't have. I'm talking about. You mean bitches who is like, I'm not. I ain't buying all that goddamn shit. Sending them to school with nothing to prove some sort of point. You are creating dishes. You're putting them in a situation that is going to be very uncomfortable for them. Embarrassing. Like, it's just like, why would you do that? And on top of that, we talk about community so much on this fucking podcast. Bitch. Bring back community. Why are you mad that the teacher's asking for a fucking sanitizer? Bitch. Damn.

[Mecca]

And that's the other thing. Okay, so let me also put this on the flow. I was blessed in terms of, like, my mom had a business, so she was very active in our classrooms. My mom became good friends with my principal. Also, my brother was like, a bebe kid down. So, like, speed dial, speed dial. She was on speed dial. She was always at the goddamn school. Then she was at the goddamn school so much that I was like, well, I might as well help with some things. So I had a mom who on a random given day in elementary school would pop in my classrooms with, like, brownies and bullshit. So that absolutely has shaped my perspective. But it doesn't necessarily have to be that. Teachers have, for at least the last 30 years, been asking parents to contribute to the classroom as a whole like that. And I think that's the part that's, like, getting me is the adults who are saying this are, like, within our age range, like, at least 10 years. You know, this is a thing because it was a thing when you were a kid.

[Jameela]

What did you complain about for 35 years?

[Mecca]

You know, Ms. Johnson, want the Kleenex, the hand sanitizers? They're gonna ask you for some. The teachers used to be good for asking for the color, the pencils and the crayons from each parent. Cause, you know, them babies gonna run them crayons down, pop them in half, do a whole bunch of bullshit with them.

[Jameela]

And beyond that, there's gonna be children in that class who don't have. Genuinely, genuinely don't have. And yes, them babies is gonna pull from the bitches who do as they should because that's what community's all about. There's this like, there's this new wave of individualism hitting our black ass community. And it's actually really pissing me off because that is not at our core who we are. This individualist, like, oh, I'm only worried about me and mine. Me and my. Me and my.

[Mecca]

You know what I think it is? No, seriously, that's what it is. Because for so long, black people, the black diaspora is so communal, is so tribal, is so group collective oriented. And if you think about little things that we've heard in media as Americans over the last 20 years, like what you just said, me and mines, very individualistic. Or when we look at like, oh, all them people living in the house, oh, you got grandma, da da da. That's been seen as a negative. And so we've been hearing that for the past 30, 40 years. And now I think the repercussions of us being like internalizing group being a negative thing. In addition to like therapy culture rising and western westernized therapy is very individualistic.

[Jameela]

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[Mecca]

You guys are under spells. I swear to God, y' all underspells.

[Jameela]

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[Mecca]

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[Jameela]

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[Jameela]

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[Mecca]

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[Jameela]

And it's very uncomfortable and unsettling to watch in real time. You guys consistently regurgitate white supremacist Republican talking points on so many different levels because you guys are being indoctrinated and you don't realize what's happening to you. And that's the part that gets me. It's like you bitches over here yelling whole time you don't know you're a fucking pawn. Got your ass just like that. You over here yelling about school supplies when we really should be Focusing our attention on the fact that our education system is being gutted.

[Mecca]

Funding. They don't want to teach kids about slavery. Like, no, not. They're. They're not teaching kids about slavery.

[Jameela]

They are removing the funding. Or have they already completely eradicated the Department of Education? Because I know that was a plan. I don't know if it's completely done yet.

[Mecca]

I don't think it's completely done yet.

[Jameela]

Not completely, but it's on the web. This is the type of shit.

[Mecca]

Listen. And not like, no Tino Shay. This is the type of shit that you understand why motherfuckers be like, well, I got. I gots to get out here and hustle, because I need to send my.

[Jameela]

Kids to private school because it's very scary.

[Mecca]

And my. My parents. My mom was a public school teacher. I had one of them parents who. Even though I was in certain programs where it was like, my. When I was a debutante, all the girls went to private school, but my mom was like, no, the public school system is. Is good.

[Jameela]

It's.

[Mecca]

It's like, yo, I don't know if it's gonna be like that by the time I have a kid. The way that we're literally watching it be dismantled. It's scary.

[Jameela]

All of the public entities are being stripped, you know, from the time.

[Mecca]

And it started with Ronald Reagan.

[Jameela]

Mm. It's actually really sick. And it's crazy. Cause it's like. And then I'm watching people talk shit about teachers and stuff. And while I will talk shit about teachers when need be. Don't get me wrong. Don't get me wrong. I do have my beef with a couple of bitches from. From some years ago. But knowing that my dad was a teacher for several years, math and science, The. The classes that a lot of teachers did not want to teach. My dad also taught special education, the classes that a lot of teachers refused and did not want to teach. That's why he was, quote, unquote, stuck in that program for so long, because nobody wanted those kids. Y' all don't want to. Yeah. Yeah. My dad would do experiments because he was a science teacher. He would do experiments and stuff that was not even in the curriculum, because my dad just really loved that shit and would spend his own money, you know, purchasing supplies and stuff for experiments to teach the kids and stuff, so it could be fun and entertaining, because the school would not really do that for them. You know what I'm saying? And so it's like, yeah, if the teacher wants you to buy a Couple bottles of fucking hand sanitizer, bitch. Do it.

[Mecca]

Yeah. When it comes to the teacher point, I think that's the other, I guess, point of reference that we both have is that we have parents who are teachers and we have parents who liked being teachers. It's not like, I think it's a difference. Especially today with, like, it's very easy to become a teacher now, right? People. It's a lot of people's fallback career. But, like, as someone who had a mom who, like, that was her first choice, she wanted to be a teacher, you can tell that the kids can tell that you wanted that this was your first choice, right? The parents can tell that this was your first choice. And I think that when we're critiquing teachers, at least you can always tell people who are being genuine because there are valid critiques of teachers. Like, there are mean ass teachers. We've all had mean ass teachers who we know y' all don't even like kids.

[Jameela]

And I hate.

[Mecca]

This was just all you could do, right? And I hate you to this day. Like, I don't fuck with the bitches to this day. That's different than trying to fry teachers up for asking for help. That, like, that's. And I think that the two are trying to be conflated. And that's the problem with social media. I feel like sometimes, like, it's just the conversations become disingenuous so fast. And then like you said, the other piece of it is by me being on the black side of the Internet, it's alarming to see black people speak in a way that is becoming a way. I mean, I'm talking xenophobia. I'm talking eugenics. I'm talking like, you hate fucking community. What the fuck is going on?

[Jameela]

It's all such a pipeline. And the same people that have these questionable talking points about one topic have the same questionable talking points across all of the topics. Because you guys are literally being sucked into this pipeline of white supremacy. Because like I said, you guys are pronged and you guys don't even realize it. The same people that feel like, I don't want to buy my school supplies for other kids are the same people that think Tory Lanez should be free. I'm telling you, there's a connection. And if you think I'm joking, those.

[Mecca]

Are the same people who think that they can't relate to, never would have made it because their parents were doctors and who sat there and said, y' all know I voted for Trump.

[Jameela]

I don't Give a fuck with a smirk. Now let's get into Mavericks.

[Mecca]

Now let's, let's pivot.

[Jameela]

When I saw that interview. Actually, I didn't see the interview. I saw a clip. I'm that type of person. I ain't gonna lie to you. I'm not finna go watch the whole goddamn clip to see the context and all that which came before us. No, I'm not gonna do that. You said some bullshit and I'm gonna take it for what it is and move on. You're telling me you voted for Trump with a fucking snarky smirk on your goddamn face. I don't care how you got to that point, personally speaking.

[Mecca]

But there was no like. That's the thing. I did go and watch the interview and I personally feel like people saying that just say you like the jeans and soft praise worship music. Because the context of that even is like, Well, I didn't take it out of context. You said you, you said you were making a point. And then you said, and y' all know I voted for Trump. I don't care. And the context is supposed, the context is supposed to be Republican values line up with like. But that's not even. You want to hear what's the crazy part? In the past, like, this is our second Trump term and there was a Joe Biden term, but in between, there has been a split in the Republican Party. Like, there are old school Republicans who identify as Republicans, like, their whole life who do not identify as maga. So if you really was on that, you could have been like, but I'm not maga.

[Jameela]

Exactly.

[Mecca]

You wanted to say that.

[Jameela]

And I have a thesis statement. I think that there was a shift in religion and Christianity specifically within black folks within the past 10 years. Also with the rise of white supremacy that also correlates with the music in the church that has drastically separated Christianity within black people. Because as someone who grew up in the Baptist Southern Christianity church, it's always been a part of the black community, but there was also a separation of, like, your personal life. And then there was church, and then there was this. You were made up of all these things. And within this like 10 year span of time, with the rise of SZA gospel, I've also noticed this, like, spiritual psychosis becoming your entire personality. This rise. There's a correlation, Christianity being a part of your entire personality, this rise of everything is demonic, yet it only being tied into the black side of things. I'm noticing a connection here. Once you guys took away the choir directors and the Mass choirs and the four part harmony split. You guys started to get a little fucking crazy. Once you guys started having Christian bbls, I knew something was afoot.

[Mecca]

Okay, you're done. I was, I was. You kept pregnant, pausing and I couldn't, I couldn't catch it. I love like for dramatic effect. But then it was like making me look like a dickhead.

[Jameela]

Cause I was.

[Mecca]

Okay, so I think I want to piggyback off of Jameela. I think it's the rise in the non denominational churches. Walk with me. There have always been like, you have ame, which is African Episcopal Methodist, I believe you have cogic Church of God in Christ. You have Baptist, Southern Baptist, Missionary Baptist. Am I missing any? Oh, Pentecostal. The Kojik is Pentecostal. AME is African Methodist. Like, what I'm trying to say is I always had an understanding of like, for example, Ame, people don't, don't run up and down. Aren't as loud as gospel, aren't as loud as Baptist and Kojik. Like they don't do all that. They're more calm over there, but they still sing like gospel music. Like each sect had its things as we know. Kojic, you're going to see them big old hats that they have their own even fashion sense over there. In missionary Baptist, you're going to get a Pentecostal vibe as well. But it's a little bit different, a little remix. What I'm trying to say is when you started meshing and putting everyone together and don't shoot me integrating church. Because what is the saying? Been the most segregated hour in America is Sunday morning at 10:00am when you. When we saw the rise of non denominational churches and trying to make every. Trying to fit everyone into one church service. That means you took away the black things and you took away some of the white things and you added some black things and you added some white things and you tried to make it cool for everyone. Which is why I have been clear in saying, like, yo, I wanna go to a black church. Whether it's Kojic or Baptist. That's just my tea. Cause I don't want to, I don't want it to be watered down. And I think it's interesting, the streaming services.

[Jameela]

The streaming.

[Mecca]

Hello. Well, and I feel like we saw the rise of that. Like that was already a thing streaming. But then Covid. So some of it has been out of necessity. Right? Cause Covid made it so, you know, not everyone came back to church physically after Covid, but the thing Is like a couple weeks ago when ESSENCE was going on and the FBAs were so up in arms that there was even a show of non black American people at Essence Festival. It was this huge discourse issue. It was this huge thing of, oh, ESSENCE is being watered down. It's no longer black American. I was at essence. I have critiques of the festival this year. It not being black American is not one of them. We're actually in a conversation where someone is outright saying, I am watering down gospel music. I can't relate to. Never would have made it because my parents are doctors. Like, I don't want to hear that. And, like, it's like, where is the same energy? Like, this is because gospel music is foundationally black American. This is when y' all should be going up.

[Jameela]

We're gonna take a break.

[Mecca]

And we're back. Yeah.

[Jameela]

And I feel like there's a strip of the culturalness of church. And I think that that's kind of like what I noticed, because although I'm someone who has kind of, like, distanced myself from, like, the entity, like, the physical entity of church, what I've noticed from the outside looking in is that there is a stripping of, like, the cultural element of black church. Because what's funny is, like you said, there's a rise in non denominational churches, but they're also. I've never in my life gone to a. Gone to a non denominational church and seen them hooping and hollering like I have before. You used to go to the non denominational churches because they were a little bit more quiet. They were a little bit more chill. They was like. It was now all of a sudden, every non denominational church hoops and hollers and speaks tongues. Why does everybody speak tongues? That's not even been.

[Mecca]

That everybody's teaching. No. Okay, so that. That's what I was trying to say.

[Jameela]

Each denomination.

[Mecca]

Yeah, each denomination used to be known for. Like, you went to the Pentecost. The Pentecostals was the one who spoke in tongues. They weren't necessarily speaking in tongues at the Missionary Baptist.

[Jameela]

Like, they weren't.

[Mecca]

And they. For shit, y' all weren't speaking in tongues at the ame because these people are calm.

[Jameela]

I'm just watching. I'm watching this happen. And then I spoke on the rise in, like, streaming specifically, because there was always streaming for church. Right? There was always bedside bath. Cause, you know, you would wake up in the morning, you could watch Bobby Jones, all of those things, or you could listen to it on the radio.

[Mecca]

Back in the day, they don't do that no more.

[Jameela]

But what happened of course, like with COVID so like context matters. Of course with COVID people weren't going to church as much because of like da da, da, whatever. So a lot of the pastors would start to stream their services so people could still get the Word or whatever, but on, on. While that was happening, there was also a rise of people who were not in clergy. Are you following me? People with. Who did not study theology, people who barely read the Bible, people who did not go to school for this shit, who also started to stream themselves having sermons and things like that. And so what typically started to happen was those people were starting to build congregations from the streaming aspect alone with, without the background, right? And so then when people started to go back to church in the physical form, those people who had developed an audience were spewing things. And those type of people who don't speak from a theological standpoint were being way more focused and way more pedestalized than the people who came. Like I already have my issues with the Baptist church and those preachers and you know, but at least they was speaking from the Bible. These niggas now are just saying anything and it don't relate to the Bible. My Todd. And so then it's just, it's all these things happening in tandem that's just like fuck you.

[Mecca]

Now you're putting on tubi movies at church.

[Jameela]

Mike Todd, the dude from the church, 98:14 or whatever the fuck, 28:14. It's a church here in Atlanta. And I seen it. I seen it. I knew it was gonna happen. I knew it was gonna happen because I'm just a good. I have the type of discernment on me that does not steer me wrong. When I saw that people were lining up for hours and hours for this one church, I said something about this doesn't feel right. And I can't put my finger on it. But this, there's something, there's something happening. I sense something in my spirit. And lo and behold, his bald headed black ass gets up there and starts spewing anti black rhetoric. He's caught canoodling and canoodling with Trumpy. You guys are joining cults.

[Mecca]

Here's the thing. I said this years ago and they called me classus, elitist. And you know, sometimes maybe I'll eat it. But I do think it matters. I think that you can be called as someone who still is in church, right? I do think you can be called to minister. Now, does that mean you need to be at the head of the church. No, you might need to go to the choir ministry, the children's ministry, the praise dance ministry. You need to get in your prayer cupboard and figure out what the hell you're supposed to be doing with God. But I do think it's important to bring the education, bringing it back to education and school supplies back to the church because the knowledge of what you're pulling from, unfortunately in the religious sector of things does matter. You can be a motivational speaker, you don't have to be a pastor. Right. There is a lot of things that are said now that don't necessarily align with doctrine. And I say that as someone who, I don't know, I don't agree with all the doctrine in the Bible, but at least I can get on here and say, you know, this is my personal opinion and this is what the Bible says and I think what makes it, you're getting into cult like status when you, when you detour too much from whatever doctrine you're supposed to be, you know, aligned with.

[Jameela]

When you start being like church is your identity.

[Mecca]

A Christian bbl don't make no damn sense, baby. You got a motherfucking bbl and it's.

[Jameela]

Like there's church merch. And while I, while I'm not necessarily saying that's something that's new, I'm saying that it's becoming everything about you. This church, this specific building, this specific pastor, you are ingesting everything they say as law and you are self identifying with the church in and of itself. And not the church as a, you know, as an institution, but the church as that physical place. And that's how I know you guys are being inundated into cults. Because if somebody says, hey, I knew what your passage you said was some bullshit. Now you're attacking me and saying that I'm devil and demonic.

[Mecca]

Well, yes, y' all do that a lot.

[Jameela]

It's.

[Mecca]

There has always been that people like being associated with the big church. I think the issue now is there are so many big churches.

[Jameela]

Do you know what I'm saying? It's like nothing but big church churches.

[Mecca]

It's like nothing but big churches. See, back in the day, back in the day, back in my day, it was you in your city, you had one or two big churches.

[Jameela]

One or two.

[Mecca]

And then you had all the regular little churches. And if you went and, and that was, and that's how you knew who went to the big churches, because they would make it their personality. The big church in Sacrament big black church was Saint Paul. And if, oh, a motherfucker went to Saint Paul, you knew they went to Saint Paul because they told you they went to Saint Paul and they wore Saint Paul like a, you know, it was like it's always been around. But I think we're seeing it so much more that it's like, okay, there's.

[Jameela]

Only supposed to be one or two mega churches, bro.

[Mecca]

Like it's only supposed to be one or two. But I mean life is hard right now. Religion always peaks when the economy is in the shitter. You know, it's a lot going on.

[Jameela]

I would love to see some of these big mega churches on the ground.

[Mecca]

I want people to be able to respect each other's religion. I don't have an issue with leaning on religion. Obviously. I lean on religion myself at moments in time. But I think that when you make it your own personality, you don't leave room for like true interpretation. And like Jamila just said, when someone says, hey, I don't agree with what your pastor just said, now you're calling them a fuck ass bitch. And see that. Is that even Christ like to begin with. Because no, I'm sorry to the Jackie Hill Perry Stans. I don't think she should have told them babies, they're gonna die. Because I have a mom who taught children's church and I was given that message and not in that way. There is an age appropriate way to teach kids the Bible. You're not going to, you're not going to convince me of that. And you can call me a fuck ass bitch. You shouldn't. But like, it is what it is.

[Jameela]

A lot of these mega church pastors, and I use that loosely, are just girl boss capitalist.

[Mecca]

It is what it is and they're.

[Jameela]

Just using the church as their medium. And the thing is, mega churches have always been a little capitalist for sure because there's like an influx of megachurches. I think people are, you know what I mean? It's always been there.

[Mecca]

Cruffalo dollar's name was his namesake.

[Jameela]

There's always now it's like people are using it as a cheat code and a get rich quicksand because they know religion is a money grab and they know that if they rebrand as a Christian girly on TikTok, their followers are going to go up because so many people are ingesting this and it's just a little bit odd. It's a little bit strange to me because that's just not what I understood religion to be but what I'm noticing is, like. And I'm hoping you guys are noticing it, it's really only that Christianity component. I don't see the Muslim girls doing this. I don't see the Buddhist girls doing this. I don't see any other religion necessarily.

[Mecca]

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Not in this way, but like, as you know, I like to dibble and dabble and see what the hell going on with everybody. Everyone's religion is like, you can. Especially when the religion is big enough and when it has, like the Muslim girlies who do the modesty content with the outfits, the Muslim girlies who do the makeup, first of all, them bitches eat the makeup up. They eat the makeup up. But I'm saying there is a capitalistic component. No, it's not the same way as Christianity. But I do think that to say that people don't eat, pray, love, and travel to Tahiti and be on their Buddhist bullshit, on some capitalist bullshit, that's not like, that's a fact.

[Jameela]

I just am not seeing it in the way that I see with Christianity, in the way of, like, this whole. This idea of like a complete Christian rebrand. I don't see that with the other religions. I'm not saying it doesn't happen. I'm saying that, like, I don't see it as much.

[Mecca]

You've never seen someone convert to Muslim and become and like, make their whole person.

[Jameela]

I've only seen people have converted. I'm saying I don't see the influx with other religions as much as I see with Christianity.

[Mecca]

We're in America.

[Jameela]

I know.

[Mecca]

No, but I'm. Okay, we're saying the same thing. I'm agreeing with you, but I think that it's fair to say it does happen with other religions.

[Jameela]

Sure. But I think my problematic point with it is the fact that specifically with Christianity in America, though, there's also this evangelical component. And when you tie the evangelical component to this Christian rebrand, it's tying to white supremacy. So while I do see a lot of Muslim rebrands and things like that or the conversions, a lot of it is not also tied into the white supremacy element. And so it's that. That's the difference. And because a lot of these Christian rebrands are also tying into anti blackness as well. And that's where I'm just like, guys, what's going on? And to bring it back to my original point, I think it's because the Mississippi Mass Choir has not dropped. We're not being led by choirs. We have Maverick City putting out sza Gospel. It's not right.

[Mecca]

It's a point.

[Jameela]

It's not right.

[Mecca]

It's not right. It's a point.

[Jameela]

Like, why did. Why does Maverick City have a monopoly on gospel music, though? Like, I literally noticed. I was like, damn, who is Maverick? Why do they have a fucking monopoly on gospel music, bro? Like, what happened to. I don't know.

[Mecca]

I mean, the thing is, I think that I'm ruminating on your white supremacy point, which I absolutely agree with, but I think it comes from the evangelical aspect of things. And that only stuck out to me because I'm not an evangelical. If you know what like, evangelical is. It's like a concept of more so like, spreading the gospel. I think that religion is a very, like, personal, like, walk. So if. If you more identify with Islam, if you more identify with Buddhism, I'm not the person who's gonna be like, no, you need to come to Christianity. I'm not. That's. That's not who I've ever been. So I can appreciate that because in church, especially American church, we are taught to spread the gospel. Like, that is a very big thing. So I can see how with the rebrands and the white supremacy, like, it's like an octopus and its legs are.

[Jameela]

Reaching all the way to a breath. It's almost like a forcing. Because I think also spreading the gospel can look a few different ways. Like, I'll use my own aunt as an example, because I truly think that she is. She's on God's list. Okay? She's priority. Okay. She is boarding first when it comes time to it. I've never met anyone as close to God as that lady. Right? And so I think that I use her as an example because while we still are very much bouncing in the world, right. I'm all over the world. I'm very worldly. Right? She. The way that in which she spreads the gospel is through just her everyday speak. You know what I'm saying? And I don't remember my point. Sorry.

[Mecca]

You were saying your aunt was very godly.

[Jameela]

I just don't. You don't see her, like, just hooping and hollering. I think it's just in her everyday language, it's the way she just maneuvers the world. Well, that's kind of how I was taught too. It pulls people in that will be pulled in versus saying, you are listening to Beyonce, you're going to her concert and you're going to hell.

[Mecca]

And I don't want to hear that.

[Jameela]

Shit, now you're losing me because I'm not listening, girl.

[Mecca]

I'm not listening.

[Jameela]

You're part of that lady beehive.

[Mecca]

I don't give a fuck. I am.

[Jameela]

Yes.

[Mecca]

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[Jameela]

And we're back.

[Mecca]

No, I was definitely taught like you shouldn't have to, you shouldn't have to tell people things about you. They should be able to see it. Like my mom was like, you shouldn't have to tell people you're smart because when they speak to you, they should be able to tell your intelligence. You shouldn't have to tell people you're a Christian because when they speak to you, you should be letting God's light lead with your word. Like so I definitely get that. And that's how I think anyway. Yeah, I think what's happening on the Internet, I just think the things that are happening with Christianity have always been happening. It's just so magnified and we're seeing it so much more because of the Internet and because of social media apps. Because I have known, quote unquote Christian influencers my entire life. Like I grew up in church. I knew the girls who made it their personality. I like that's not new. The church being your personality. That's not new. Like it's just on such a grander scale right now and it seems like.

[Jameela]

There'S so many more people being spread like wildfire, like on every, every problematic possible thing in any realm because we have social media like sync it over and over and over again. It's making it more regular. And it's like there are people out there who have the ability to grab ahold of things and take it for what it is and let it go. And then there are some people who unfortunately, they're just a little weak minded. And it's not necessarily dis, it just is what it is. It is what it is. And you take everything for a face value and then you just accept it for what it is. And you don't, you know, release the parts that you don't like, if that makes sense. And so those people that are easily influenced, they get trapped into a lot of different things. You have to be, you have to be very strong willed being on the Internet because you'll see so many times.

[Mecca]

If you have a strong mind, you can't, you have to be very self assured and just. If I'm even thinking about people who are not like, who are more open with religion or more religious type influencers, if you're, you can lean on your religion. Do you get what I'm saying? Like when people are attacking me and you, it's like they're attacking Mecca and Jameela as its own entity. And unfortunately I am Mecca so I have to have some like self worth and self distinction there. But if you're like a Christian influencer or a Muslim influencer, Buddhist influencer and someone is arguing with you over your religion, like you do have the religion to fall back on and be like, well you're not necessarily attacking me, you're attacking my religion. I do think that be the difference in why it's easier to maneuver. Does that make sense? Am I explaining that correctly?

[Jameela]

I'm tracking.

[Mecca]

Okay. Period. Well, stop making it weird guys. We don't care that you love Jesus. We don't care that you love Allah. We don't even care that you love Buddha. Go ahead. But don't be weird about it.

[Jameela]

I'm glad you guys find peace in that. I think that's the whole point of religion is to love of peace.

[Mecca]

Non religious people. I have something for you right now too because we've been lighting up Christians. As someone who dated an atheist.

[Jameela]

Oh and I to this day laugh at that fact because how the fuck.

[Mecca]

Did you listen when I sat here and said I'd be in everyone's business? I'm interested in what everyone's doing. That's why I can pull from knowledge. I was serious. I was serious. I wasn't pulling out my ass. I'd be on Muslim TikTok. I know what be going on over there too when they be getting into arguments and shit. Atheists are almost just as bad as super duper evangelicals.

[Jameela]

Atheists are very annoying.

[Mecca]

And I mean annoying as fuck. When I was with my ex, I wasn't even the problem. Cause I was. I again, I'm not someone who's like trying to preach and I'm like hey, hey man, whatever. You know, it works for you. I'm good with this. Just works for Me. And it was always a conversation, always a. And even I've seen it in my own comments. Like, I think it's funny, but I've had people in my comments mass be like, you're way too smart to be Christian. And it's just like, hey, man, there are certain things I can't explain. Um, there are certain things that go on in the world that we are not going to have explanation from. And I'm okay with like not not being sure about certain things. I'm okay with the idea and the concept of faith. I'm okay with being like, hey, God in the sky, love him.

[Jameela]

Cool.

[Mecca]

I'll figure out what I can figure out down here. There are people who are not okay with that and need an explanation. Or if they can't get an explanation, they're like, it doesn't exist. I don't think you're better because you choose to think that, like, you're not better. And a lot of the time it comes off just as dickheadish as evangelicals. It's pretentious.

[Jameela]

Yeah, it's like literally the old school joke. An atheist and a vegan walk into a bar. An ablation who announced themselves first. It's the same when people have these very affirmative identities or talking points on either side. A lot of the times they're just, they're. Those are shells. And like, it's just underneath all of that, you're just annoying.

[Mecca]

And the thing is, a lot of atheists are ex evangelicals. So you think that you're so rebranded, but you're bringing the same energy to what your new thought of mine. Yeah, I'll give an example. Before we move on, I went to school with a very, very evangelical person. I mean, they were annoying as fuck. And I mean like white evangelical Christian, all the things we get grown. This person eventually comes out and then comes out as gay and then comes out as trans. And what this person doesn't get, I keep this person on social media because I'm fascinated. Like, truly, because this person has not changed. They just took their annoying as fuck evangelical energy and applied it to the other side. You're still rude, you're still mean. When people don't agree with your points, you're still fucking an asshole. You just said, oh, I'm gonna take it and put it over here now. And that is the thing that a lot of atheists have. And I think that if you're going to deconstruct truly, if you're going to say, hey, religion is not my zh Truly, then you do have to get somewhat out of that religious frame of mind. And something that we are taught in church is to be very aggressive. You know, be very aggressive with your beliefs. You don't have to be aggressive. Like, if you believe it all goes dark after we die. Just believe that it's cool.

[Jameela]

It's just like, that's great. Cause, like, what do you want me to do now? Like, I feel the same way about people telling me I'm gonna go to hell for listening to Kirk Franklin. You see what?

[Mecca]

Now it's the same energy.

[Jameela]

What do you want me to do now that you've killed me? Like, I don't know, like, now that you've damned me. I genuinely am so confused. Like, that. That. That personality type. I hate it. Get away from me. Like, what is it?

[Mecca]

Whatever your thing is and in all brands. I just don't want. I just can't. Aggressiveness. I can't.

[Jameela]

And then also the. This, like, idea of, like, you're so unwilling to change your mind about something. Grow up. Like, girl, okay, okay, you got it.

[Mecca]

Please, you got it. I don't give a fuck. Sure.

[Jameela]

Like, you know what I'm saying? It's like. Okay, so if you're so unwilling to change your mind, then why are we talking?

[Mecca]

We're gonna take a break.

[Jameela]

And we're back.

[Mecca]

Welcome to our segment. Spin it now. This is where Jamila and I take your messy, lowdown, gutter snipe situations and give them a PR spin as well as some advice. Now, keep in mind, Jamila and I are not PR professionals. We just studied communications in undergrad and we actually really love this shit because, I mean, PR is just a career field on how to maneuver being messy. Remember, you can email at unhinged anymore podmail.com. don't forget to send your ages, your genders, your races. I always forget. Is there something else? I always feel like there's something else they should send. Let us know your political parties. All right, Jamila, what do we have?

[Jameela]

Actually, don't. Because if one of y' all say you're a fucking Republican, I'm gonna find a way to block y'.

[Mecca]

All.

[Jameela]

No shade. This is a liberal podcast, if you didn't already know by the two black chicks leading. Thank you.

[Mecca]

Leftists, somewhat else. See who?

[Jameela]

I absolutely love your podcast. It has been the highlight of my Thursday and gets me through the work week. Keep up the good work. Thank you.

[Mecca]

Thanks.

[Jameela]

Here's the stitch. My ex, 23, female, and I, 26, transmasc, broke up last year, but we have started talking again early this year to the point of getting back together. As of recently I have been getting mixed signals and her words have not been adding to her actions. We are in this huge gray area. Like we started to say the L word again to each other. She started saying it to me first which took me off guard, but I didn't think anything of it because we were working on getting back together last month in March. However, she has been trying to get a job and unfortunately she lost that opportunity to get that job but that was out of her hands. That's when I noticed her taking a step back and distancing herself from me. This triggered me because it took me back to a time when we were together and some shit would happen and I'm trying to reach out to her but she said she shuts me out. I was just more so confused because she has been doing better on communication with me. So when I tried to reach out to talk to her, she shut me down completely. I gave her some time over that week to be by herself. Then I tried again and no luck. But she at least told me she would be ready to on a different day. That day she comes and apologizes for how she's been acting but I don't accept it fully because she has never spoken to me in that manner before and I told her it's going to take me some time. After that I'm thinking that since we resolved it we would be okay. Wrong again. It just went back to her not communicating with me once again and when we would hang out she wouldn't seem like she was with me. You know, mind you, we are long distance. It wasn't until I realized she stopped talking to me in the way she used to, stopped flirting with me and wanting to hang out around with her friends more. At this time it didn't really bother me because I started to work more so I couldn't hang out with her as much. Little did I know she started talking to some 30 something year old who is a woman who has been married previously. Yes, married for 10 years and they just finalized a divorce a year ago. Now what is a 30 plus year old doing talking to someone who's in their early twenties is beyond me. Now hold on, hold on, hold on. Oh, 23. Okay. I just had to confirm. I couldn't remember that.

[Mecca]

Was the woman married to a woman or a man?

[Jameela]

It doesn't say.

[Mecca]

Okay.

[Jameela]

She never told me she was talking to someone else after I asked her. It wasn't until we got into another argument due to miscommunication. Once again, because we are planning to see each other in May, but I haven't really heard anything from her in, like, planning and stuff. She didn't even tell me. I have to ask her again. Then when she did, I just asked, why didn't she tell me? Because every time I would want to hang out or talk to her, it felt like I was interrupting something. And she says how she didn't know. She didn't know how to. Bullshit excuse. I know. I told her I'm not going to retaliate or anything. It's the fact that, yes, we're talking, so we're not official, but we did have a conversation about talking to other people and what that would look like. And she said she would let me know and I would respect it because I wouldn't want to intrude on that. Y' all are very long winded in these spinets. FYI.

[Mecca]

They have to give us all the information.

[Jameela]

It's just the fact that how can you go from telling your ex that you love them and you want to be with them again to completely blindsiding them and starting talking to someone else and not say anything? Now, with May approaching, a part of me just wants to cancel the trip altogether. But another part of me wants to go through with it and tell her exactly how she's made me feel in person, rather just by the phone call. Should I still go through with this or is it just the lost cause? Would really help if I could get a response before I leave late May. Oops, my bad.

[Mecca]

I was gonna say.

[Jameela]

Well, also, we'd like to add, we were together for almost two years and broke up mid 2024. I live in Florida, she lives in Alabama. The person she's currently talking to lives in Tennessee. We are both black, by the way.

[Mecca]

You know, before we start, the one thing. You know how, like, when trans men still consider themselves lesbians, this. This tied that up into a bow. Because the spirit of lesbianism is all over this letter. Why do you need to be friends with their.

[Jameela]

Now where you fucked up with is talking back to your ex. Ex. No, Shade. I know a lot of people are double backers. I personally am. You. You all are. You know, I'm against double backing because if it didn't work and you guys had like. And there was an actual situation that occurred to where you guys are not together, why are we going back? Like, there's always something new along the way. Like, I don't know, like, I don't personally understand the lore of like talking to an ex specifically. I. We don't understand that. But judgment aside, listen, she seems like she's being a dickhead.

[Mecca]

Is, is, is he, is he also 23?

[Jameela]

26.

[Mecca]

26. Okay. Um, other thing, friend, you too old to do that?

[Jameela]

30?

[Mecca]

No, I was gonna say that 30 something has their, their shit together. And see, some things surpass gender. When I say, like when bitches start fucking with someone older, it's because they feel they're like, oh, they have their shit together. I'm just telling you as someone who's fucking with older dudes. Cause I was like, oh, you will quickly find out that that bitch is probably. I mean, she's been divorced, so she probably a mess too. But that's something that you have. That's a lesson you gotta learn on your own. So that, that also explains a lot with the lack of communication and the pulling back. I would leave this bitch alone.

[Jameela]

I mean, she's clearly not serious.

[Mecca]

Yeah, can you hear my stomach?

[Jameela]

She stopped talking to you to talk to another bitch that lives who is also long distance. She's having a good time and she's also, you know, mingling with somebody who also lives in her area code. She's racking up.

[Mecca]

No, it's Tennessee. Alabama. Oh, you said she's also doing that. Yeah, obviously. Yes, she has someone in Alabama.

[Jameela]

So it's like I. And it seems like you are more so invested in like having an actual relationship. It seems like you're in that space in your life where you're like, okay, I kind of want to settle down, kind of want a relationship. I kind of want to. Because you throwing back love. Okay. Like friend. I think that you need to go ahead and divest in that lady. Okay. And move forward. Okay. You're in Florida. There's plenty to pick from.

[Mecca]

So I'm going to say isn't Florida. You can find you a lady in Florida. Could find you a lady in Florida. Go ahead and do that.

[Jameela]

A couple of things in Florida, you.

[Mecca]

Know, whatever you're in. Also, if you're interested in long distance, there's just so much. There's just so much more I would be interested in knowing. Did you go and see her since we got to this so late?

[Jameela]

Right. I was going to say like, no shade. You gotta have to kind of reach.

[Mecca]

Back out and let us know, did you end up going? And then we can respond to that as well. Since we were definitely on black people time with the response to this letter.

[Jameela]

You Know, we do get a lot of things. I will say this though, like, as somebody who does engage in long distance canoodling, the long distance people that you talk to should not be difficult. If that makes sense. Like, if you are having a long distance.

[Mecca]

That's a word, Jameela.

[Jameela]

You know that's a word.

[Mecca]

Speak to them.

[Jameela]

Yeah, yeah. When you have a long distance boo, it should be easy peasy, right? Yeah. And the moment it gets weird, end it. Because what are we? Like, all we care about is keke over the phone, you know what I'm saying? Like, why is it weird? Why are you being weird to me when we're just kikiing over the phone a little FaceTime here and there, you know what I'm saying? Like, if shit gets weird with your boo and you're all in the same city, not that that is better, but it makes sense. You having dissonance and relationship issues with a motherfucker that lives across state lines is crazy.

[Mecca]

Listen.

[Jameela]

Why?

[Mecca]

I have been a proponent of long distance relationships for some time. This past year, one of my long distance situations was outed on the Internet when baby got online and said she found my nudes in her niggas phone. And I. The thing was, that was one of my favorite niggas. So it's like, you wanna know why he lasted for so long? Because there was no. He saved all of that energy and bullshit for her. Because had he brought it to my door, I would have stopped talking to him.

[Jameela]

Cause there's nothing keeping.

[Mecca]

There's nothing to talk about.

[Jameela]

We can only talk about. There's only keeping a long distance boo there but communication. So if your communication is lacking, what do we have?

[Mecca]

What are we talking about?

[Jameela]

The one wham, bam, when we are gonna see you next month. Like, I'm not gonna keep you around long enough for that.

[Mecca]

I wanna teach you guys how to do long distance relationships right quick. Let's pivot, people. The thing with long distance relationships can oftentimes turn out like a love island situation. Um, because since all you can do is talk and speak to the person, there is this feeling that you know them so deeply because for hours you. You don't have that physical element. So there's nothing to do but just tell each other our secrets and like how we're feeling and like all this thing. So there is this like weird thing where it's like, oh my God, I'm so connected. I'm so in love with this person. Right?

[Jameela]

I.

[Mecca]

You can feel that because it's. It's gonna happen, but take it with a grain of salt. And I say that because anything can break up a long distance situation. Someone's too stressed out to answer the phone. Someone's too busy to answer the phone. Someone's just at a fucking workout class, they can't answer the phone. Anything can break that up. So don't, like, don't look too deeply. Just feel it in the moment and then put it on the table.

[Jameela]

Take it for what it is, you know? And I think when you're dating. Because I don't even wanna talk on a relationship tip. Cause I think that that's.

[Mecca]

No, no, I'm not talking about. I'm talking about just long distance booze.

[Jameela]

Right. So on the. I'm just pulling you for a chat. The dating pool. When you're, you know, dating people who don't live in your same area code, you know, when you date people who live across state lines, maybe even by, you know, different coast, even I love.

[Mecca]

A different coast nigga.

[Jameela]

You literally have to understand that once you put into your mind that there's also people that live in the same state as them. And so there's also bitches that live in the same state as them, which means they're talking to bitches that live across the street from them. And once you understand that, I think that long distance dating is for people who are okay with the fact that their people are dating other people. If that's not something that you're okay with, then don't date somebody who's long distance.

[Mecca]

Yeah. No matter how serious it is. And even though, like, the thing is people lie. Obviously. But you can lie so much better when your person lives 3,000 miles away. Walk with me. Like, it can.

[Jameela]

They can make it feel any kind of way.

[Mecca]

They can make you feel. However, all they need is two hours on the FaceTime call with you. They have another 22 hours in their day. So even if you feel like, oh, we're in a relationship, this my boyfriend, this my girlfriend, this my. They them, like, they can definitely still have someone else. I'm telling you because I had a nigga who I moved to Baltimore for and quickly found out he had been fucking with people the whole time. I'm just speaking from experience here. Take that shit. And mind you didn't stop with the long distance relationships. Just said, ah, I'm going to do it better now. Like, keep your expectations.

[Jameela]

Six out of 10, the person you're talking to who's long distance also talks to other people who is in their same City. Cause why. That makes sense. Why not? Like, you know. So that's what I'm saying. Like, it can't. Can. Long distance dating can be cool. And it can be digestible if you. If you understand that point and if you lead with the fact that, like, I don't have to deal with anything that's weird. If I'm. If I'm talking to you and we're long distance and the. The moment shit gets weird, I'm cool with letting that shit go. Because, nigga, you don't even live in this state. What the fuck am I. Why the fuck would I argue with a nigga that don't live here for.

[Mecca]

You can't. We can't even fuck on a regular basis. I can't. I don't even have the opportunity to be dickmatized. Are you seeing what I'm saying? There's none of that. It's the kikis. I'm no longer kikiing. I'm actually mad as fuck. No.

[Jameela]

So we say all that to say, friend, leave that bitch alone and get a new one.

[Mecca]

Get another bitch. That bitch don't work. I get another one. That bitch don't work. I get two bitches.

[Jameela]

She's talking to somebody else. And it. Like I said, it doesn't seem like that's something that's okay with you. And it doesn't seem like you're very open to, like, dating multiple people right now. And. Which is cool. Which is fine. You don't have to be. So you should probably find you a bitch in your city in Florida, in your city. A bitch you can keep an eye on. You need a bitch you can keep an eye on. Okay.

[Mecca]

All right, well, don't forget to write back because I need to know if you ended up going.

[Jameela]

Yes. Yes. All right, let's get into these reviews. All right, y'. All, we're gonna read some of yalls lovely comments that y' all have been leading on various platforms. Please continue to engage with us. We really, really, really love it. All right, I'm gonna start with the Spotify ones. This was off the episode. Can I get an encore? Hannah? Sn said Mecca. Remembering our faces is so cute. Oh, you were talking about the for you pages or. Not the for you pages? The profile pictures.

[Mecca]

Oh, the abbey. Yes.

[Jameela]

Dor Winifred Reed says if Beyonce releases another movie in theaters, I'mma sneak a camera in for some old school bootleg. And make sure you send me a copy, darling. It's looking like it's going to be on HBO though it was HBO cameras there. My God on today Melissa G. And.

[Mecca]

Y' all know Melissa was at the concert where Destiny's Child came.

[Jameela]

Natalie S says baby Jameela was big mad at odds. Don't get me started on another rant. Ed Leo says, this episode was killing me. Top moments was the Beyonce recap. I saw her night two in Atlanta and was gagged. And the second being Michael making his presence known in the room. Oh my gosh, I forgot that happened. Michael, I see you and the last comment I have is from Kiara or nah, Jamila, I'mma need you to hush babe, because how the hell did Beyonce get robbed after you said Julius wasn't letting anybody touch her? You're done. And has anyone touched her?

[Mecca]

Jamila, stop talking.

[Jameela]

You keep saying has anyone touched her?

[Mecca]

And can I can I give theories? That was a setup. Who said that?

[Jameela]

Read those YouTube comments. Okay?

[Mecca]

Coy is curated chaos. Said nobody Mecca after reading the Matriarch. That book changed your life. It no y'.

[Jameela]

All. She literally brings it up.

[Mecca]

Y' all don't understand. It really did change my life and I feel like it came at such a transformative moment in my life where I'm being thrusted into like the public eye. And the entire book is Tina literally talking about what it was like going from being regular to being thrust in the public eye. So like, yes, I will. I will forever reference it.

[Jameela]

Paige.

[Mecca]

Oh Paige Wagy said, I really think B is going to have a museum built for sure. I can absolutely see that. But then knowing her, she's going to make it like a black history music museum. Like, she's going to obviously be centered, but like, where she gets all her inspiration from. Daniel Peters 6271 said, I don't think we're going to get a full scope of how amazing her work is until she lets it all hang out like Denzel when she's gone. Generational talent, yo. Because Denzel been letting it hang out. He been like living in his old black Uncle Ira I I I love you. Mac23 said, Kurt Franklin is like Christian Black. David Guetta Shay Ricks 7738 said Jamila with the old man Roboto has me crying. Tavi Talks said, sometimes after dealing with lots of chaos in relationships, healthy feeling can feel boring. So I would follow up on what Anthony deems boring. Oh, that's good, that's good, that's good, that's good.

[Jameela]

This is From Apple podcast Mr. Tacos98 says new fave podcast if you're in the car all day for work like me. This podcast is a total lifesaver. It's a straight up hilarious like I'm laughing so hard I probably look unhinged to other drivers. The vibes are immaculate and it legit feels like you're the funniest friends or riding shotgun long drives, not even mad about them anymore. This podcast keeps me sane and entertained. Thank you so much.

[Mecca]

Thank you so much.

[Jameela]

That means so much. Wonderful review. I really appreciate that.

[Mecca]

All right, well, do we have any church announcements?

[Jameela]

Make sure you guys go over to unhinged immoral.com to see all the things that we've been getting ourselves into and make sure you guys purchase you some unhinged and immoral merch.

[Mecca]

That's it. That's about it.

[Jameela]

All right, see you guys next week.

[Mecca]

Bye.

[Jameela]

Unhinged and Immoral is hosted by Jamila Bell and Mecca, produced by Melissa D.

[Mecca]

Mont and Diamond Imprint Productions, post production by Coco Lawrence, production assistant by Melanie.

[Jameela]

D. Watson, music by Audi and Brooklyn.

[Mecca]

Billionaires and graphics by Claudia Choi.