Getting Our Houses In Order

Summary

Unhinged & Immoral – Episode: “Getting Our Houses In Order”

Hosts: Jamila Bell & Mecca Evans
Production: Diamond MPrint Productions
Release Date: January 9, 2025

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1. Introduction & Technical Hiccups ([00:21] – [02:15])

In the opening minutes, Jamila Bell and Mecca Evans welcome listeners to the first recorded episode of 2025. They share initial technical challenges with their microphones, highlighting Mecca’s efforts to resolve the issue:

• Mecca Evans ([01:03]): "This is no longer nigger rigged. I am a black woman in tech and I had fixed my microphone."

Despite the rocky start, the hosts express optimism about improved audio quality moving forward, emphasizing their commitment to delivering a smooth listening experience.

2. Personal Updates & New Year Challenges ([02:15] – [05:10])

Mecca discusses recent personal struggles, including neighborhood disputes that led to a citation from the City of Houston. This incident required her to make last-minute adjustments, disrupting her plans for the New Year:

• Mecca Evans ([02:15]): "I parked it in that same spot. Cause I'm petty."

Meanwhile, Jamila shares the heartfelt news of her grandmother’s passing, which added emotional weight and logistical challenges as she balanced funeral arrangements with her professional responsibilities as a production manager:

• Jamila Bell ([02:15] – [05:10]): "It's my first major dummy man relationship situation... I'm trying to catch up just like mentally to the New Year."

3. Reflections on Current Events & Pop Culture ([05:10] – [12:00])

The hosts delve into the rapid onset of the new year, touching on significant events and their personal engagements:

• Mecca Evans ([05:32]): "Houston has Alicia Keys."
• Jamila Bell ([06:48]): "Trump is going to get inaugurated... That's going to be some bullshit."

They also discuss the declining influence of TikTok, with Mecca expressing her decision to disengage from the platform:

• Mecca Evans ([07:09]): "I have mentally checked out of TikTok."

4. Biracial Identity & Critique of Beyoncé ([12:00] – [24:00])

A substantial portion of the conversation revolves around biracial identity, sparked by Han’s (a biracial creator) criticism of Beyoncé’s performance. The hosts explore the complexities and sensitivities surrounding biracial identities in America:

• Mecca Evans ([13:32]): "Biracial people, y'all are sensitive as fuck."
• Jamila Bell ([16:29]): "We're better at keeping every... men are good at this too."

They debate the appropriateness and impact of public figures expressing nuanced racial identities, highlighting the challenges biracial individuals face in being understood and validated.

5. The Depth of Political Expression in Music ([24:00] – [28:00])

Jamila and Mecca discuss the intersection of music and politics, referencing iconic songs like Marvin Gaye’s “What’s Going On” and Aretha Franklin’s “Respect” to argue that artists naturally infuse personal and societal observations into their work:

• Jamila Bell ([23:09]): "Why are y'all expecting Beyoncé and Kendrick Lamar to have these in-depth political conversations?"

Mecca supports the idea that while artists express political sentiments, they shouldn’t be burdened with the role of political scholars:

• Mecca Evans ([24:36]): "Everybody needs to swim in the deepest of rivers."

6. Personal Experiences with Troubled Relationships ([28:00] – [58:00])

The hosts share candid personal stories about negative encounters with men, emphasizing the importance of trusting one’s instincts and setting boundaries:

• Mecca Evans ([46:29]): "Always follow your gut, ladies. It’s never gonna... That shit will save your life."

They offer strategies for handling non-exclusive relationships, such as mirroring a partner’s behavior and implementing ghosting tactics to maintain emotional well-being:

• Jamila Bell ([54:00]): "Don't respond back. Throw him for a loop."

7. Listener Comments & Community Engagement ([58:00] – [75:00])

Jamila and Mecca engage with their audience by reading and reacting to listener comments from previous episodes, particularly highlighting the "Christmas episode." The feedback underscores the podcast’s relatability and humor:

• Luna ([69:18]): "This has been the funniest episode yet... It was so stupid."

The hosts express gratitude for their listeners’ support and encourage continued engagement through likes, subscriptions, and comments.

8. Promotion of Patreon & Upcoming Content ([75:24] – [75:27])

In the closing segments, the hosts promote their Patreon page, offering exclusive content, early access to merchandise, and tickets to live shows. They emphasize the value of supporting the podcast to enhance production quality:

• Mecca Evans ([67:26]): "It's only $3, y'all. We’re keeping it real modest."

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Notable Quotes:

• Mecca Evans ([01:03]): "This is no longer nigger rigged. I am a black woman in tech and I had fixed my microphone."
• Mecca Evans ([13:32]): "Biracial people, y'all are sensitive as fuck."
• Jamila Bell ([23:09]): "Why are y'all expecting Beyoncé and Kendrick Lamar to have these in-depth political conversations?"
• Mecca Evans ([46:29]): "Always follow your gut, ladies. It’s never gonna... That shit will save your life."

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Conclusion:

In "Getting Our Houses In Order," Jamila Bell and Mecca Evans navigate a blend of personal anecdotes, cultural critiques, and heartfelt discussions. Their unfiltered approach fosters a sense of camaraderie and relatability, making complex topics accessible and engaging for listeners. The episode underscores the importance of authenticity, community support, and resilience in the face of personal and societal challenges.

Transcript

[A]

She flowing in that cash talk Walk in the booth like Naomi on the catwalk and tell them bitches whoop, whoop from the Jaguar. It ain't even right, though Push me and I might go, she ain't getting money. I'm like, what the fuck the hype for? When them bitches bite flow make my appetite go poof Gone. Voila. Magic looking mad good just to pull up on them Ramping.

[B]

Welcome back to Unhinged Anymore. It's our first, like, recorded episode of 2025.

[A]

It is. Feels kind of strange. We're in a whole new millennium. I don't know, girl.

[B]

I don't know. I'm fighting for my fucking life right now. So.

[A]

Yeah, same. I feel like as soon as the year started, it was like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Do things, do this, do that, do that, do this, that.

[B]

I just. If anyone cares. I don't know if you guys usually pay attention to my mic, but I got the. Can you see? Cause you can see if you look into your. I got the thing. Good God. It's not Jimmy Rigg no more.

[A]

This is no longer nigger rigged.

[B]

I was gonna say it's not anything y'all would know. But please just know that I am a black woman in tech and I had fixed my microphone. Jameela, why are you looking at the camera like that?

[A]

I needed you to see my face.

[B]

Now we can get back because I don't know. And mind you, Jameela didn't send the microphones with any, like, instructions. Sorry, I'm just trying to get it right up in my mouth because you know how I move when I talk, so everyone's always like, Mecca talking to the mic. I've been doing better at it, though, which is exciting. This is getting easier and easier. Every week. We have less and less technical difficulties, so that is a plus.

[A]

Honestly, we didn't have any technical difficulties this morning. We were just a little late.

[B]

We were. Again, I was outside last night. I still have a throbbing. But, you know, we're gonna. We're gonna thug it out.

[A]

I didn't.

[B]

Well, that too. But I mean, obviously, that's face robbing. What are we saying anyway? Like, headache. Pulsing headache. But I did pop to that, and that was why I ran off live. And I was like, okay, you guys, I gotta go get this done. Because they came and picked up my bucket this morning.

[A]

That.

[B]

That's what. That's why I wasn't on live. I mean, Jameela knows this, but y'all don't. Know this if you tap into our lives before the podcast, which usually Jamila and I doing our makeup together. I'm not wearing any makeup today because I had to get my bucket toed because one of my neighbors called the city of Houston being very petty and put a little citation on my car. Even though it's been sitting there, like, I think a month and a half. It's been sitting there a while. It's fair. The only reason it pissed me off, though, is because I live in, like, a black, predominantly black neighborhood of. I would say it's like Hispanics over here, too. The one thing I love about ethnic people is that we don't use, like, we use the garage as another room. You know what I'm saying? It's like another. It's like another living room. So everyone, like, has their garages set up, and we'll be sitting out there, you know, when the weather allows us to, so. And all the nice cars. I peeped this in my neighborhood, all the nice cars get parked in the driveway, not in the garage, because that's a room. And then all the regular cars, everyone parks on the street. So my car wasn't even out of place. I could see if it was, like, no cars on the street, but it wasn't even out of place. So that's why I was like, oh, y'all are being petty. I think it's my across the street neighbor. Because the way that they park, they can't park their car. Because then. Do you get what I'm saying? The cars couldn't go driving through, couldn't go the middle. So anyway, all I did was I took my regular car that I can move every single day, shout out to the city of Houston for letting me know I need to do that. And I parked it in that same spot. Cause I'm petty.

[A]

Fuck the driveway.

[B]

Fuck the driveway. And who's gonna check me? No one. So checkmate. Your move. Anyway, how's your week, Jameela? That's been my last 24 hours.

[A]

Um, my week has been kind of, like, all over the place because I'm still, like, trying to get myself together, like, bringing in the new year. This year was a lot different because, of course, y'all probably know by now my grandmother did pass away. It's crazy, because we were actually. We mentioned it on the. I don't think it made it to the podcast. I think Melissa ended up cutting it, but I mentioned kind of how my grandmother wasn't doing too well in the New Year's episode, and so literally like a week or two later, she ended up passing. So I was in Mobile for her funeral. And then we were there until the New year, so we kind of were there. And because all of that kind of happened, I really didn't have time to get my house in order for the New year. And I'm really big on trying to get that together. So I feel like I'm behind right now. I'm trying to catch up just like mentally to the New year. Like, I know we're there, but like we, I, I'll, I'll let you know when I'm actually there. Like, I'm, I'm still in 2024. No, actually, so I'm trying to like, get the house in order. And on top of that also having to actually do work because I'm, you know, the production manager of a whole ass production right now.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

So having to get back in the swing of things with that, it's just been a lot going on. So I'm just literally trying to keep my head on straight and not lose my mind. And then on top of that, I'm going to be in New York next week for the same production. So I'm literally like, oh, shit. So I'm trying to hurry up and.

[B]

Like, Houston has Alicia Keys.

[A]

It's true.

[B]

They were.

[A]

New York is. I love New York, though.

[B]

Like, yeah, and little mama, they said, why didn't they say that one?

[A]

Oh, love little mama.

[B]

And Awkwafina, you know, she's from New York as well.

[A]

Fuck her. I don't know.

[B]

Winston Churchill's mom is also from New York.

[A]

Remember I said Mecca always has random fun facts like who the fuck can.

[B]

I get into it right quick? So what I did not know I fell down this rabbit hole is that during like the, was the 18th, 19th century, the aristocrats in Europe and in England were losing their money. Like they were. They just had the titles. They didn't have no money, but Americans had new money. So they sent, they, they were sending all the boys. They were coming over here and getting American socialites from rich families. And that's how we got Winston Churchill. Like there's a whole branch of like Churchill family in New York still.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Yeah. Fun fact.

[A]

Fun indeed. Fun indeed. I really feel like we kind of touched on it a little bit in our New Year's episode. But I honestly feel like this year is going to be so succulent and.

[B]

So juicy and so, so much is going on.

[A]

Well, damn, I just remembered Trump is going to get inaugurated Fuck just pissed me off all over again. Every time I remember that shit, I'd be like, God damn. Like, fuck. As good. As good as this year going to be, that's going to be some bullshit. But I'm not even going to hold you. I heard that Nick was trying to save TikTok. Get to work, bitch.

[B]

You know, I just.

[A]

He need to get that good comb over and get to work. Stop fucking playing with me.

[B]

I have mentally checked out of TikTok. I feel like that's why the events of, like, the whole Beyonce conversation and Han and Davin and everybody else and.

[A]

Everyone'S fighting on the teeth of your oppressor.

[B]

You know, she's starting a line. She's sending.

[A]

I saw.

[B]

Yeah, it has. The acronym is really good. It's like black women Empowerment Suckled sisters. It's great. I love it. I really do. I think it's hilarious. I also.

[A]

One thing about me, I always say, lean into the mess.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Stop trying to retreat.

[B]

I'm just being honest. It does feel good to not be the topic of conversation. Absolutely. Honestly, we ruled December, like, three weeks in a row. We were the TikTok topic of the week for different reasons. For literally different reasons. Three weeks in a row. And it was like, okay, somebody else.

[A]

Now I get a break.

[B]

Thank God. You know, I don't mind. I don't mind. I love. I love when people are talking about me, but I just. I did need a break.

[A]

We needed a break. No, it was because it was.

[B]

It was a lot.

[A]

It was a lot. And it was just like, okay, like, I'm over these topics. Like, once you be over it, it's just like, I don't even care. Like, why do y'all. I don't know. Yeah, but, yeah, I've been. I've been entertained by this conversation because I kind of. What's funny is, like, there are points that are fair on both sides of the conversation, but there are also some absolutely stupid points on both sides of the conversation, too.

[B]

So if you're not on TikTok or under a rock in general, Beyonce has dropped Cowboy Carter, which has. White people are in a frenzy. Black people are in a frenzy. Biracials are in a frenzy. Really sparked a conversation about race in America, what it means to be an American who is real American, and are we allowed to be proud of being Americans? Black, white, brown, Puerto Rican, or Haitian? So that shout out to the Cheetahs, I think that's a Tribe called Quest, bitch.

[A]

They said that on the Cheetah Girls. You don't remember when the two boys was. Yeah, but. Cause they were rapping.

[B]

The Tribe Called Quest. That's their song. I'm pretty sure that is an old school hip hop song.

[A]

You see where I get my references?

[B]

Cheetah Girls girl. But that's a fair reference. Referencing Cheetah Girls is fair as fuck. Honestly.

[A]

Always.

[B]

Always. So a creator, Han, her name's Hannah. Is biracial. People would say she's white. Passing. I think she looks biracial. Like, literally, like, oh, that's a mixed girl. But she is a leftist and I followed her for years. She really makes, like, political content. Like, that's really her shit. And I wanna hold that point. I'm saying that for a purpose. That that's really her niche. She doesn't get in no mess. Her content is strictly politics and leftist politics at that. She basically said black patriotism makes her uncomfortable. Beyonce being a millionaire.

[A]

But this stems from the. It stems from Beyonce's performance.

[B]

Performance on Christmas, which I was there, by the way. I was part of the My house section. If anyone cares. I have my little Beyonce ball bracelet and I will be putting it in, like a shadow box frame. That's my plan anyway. That's a sidebar. Me being jealous. It was amazing. The fact that she was close enough for me to scream Beyonce. And she would have heard it if it hadn't been so loud was like. She is beautiful in person. Not that you don't know she's beautiful, but seeing her up close like that, it was like, I can't wait.

[A]

Because I'll be that close for whenever that tour drops. Thank you.

[B]

Yeah. No, no, no. And if you didn't like Cowboy Carter, fuck you and don't buy tickets. Like, that's.

[A]

And I mean, don't even.

[B]

And I mean, literally. I'm serious. I already have my full. You know, I do costume to the concert, so I already know what I'm wearing. It's definitely Dolly Parton inspired.

[A]

And I'm going to make my costume like I did.

[B]

Like I always do. And the wig.

[A]

Absolutely, I will.

[B]

That's the one time I'll have some long ass hair on my head again. But anyway, obviously black people reacted to this specifically. Han saying that black patriotism makes her uncomfortable. I got. I got what she was saying.

[A]

You got to say her phrase. Because this is what really causes her. She said that she feels like Beyonce was spreading propaganda around patriotism and nationalism because of the performance and where she was performing at the NRG stadium. And da da, da, da. And that's part of the whole thing.

[B]

I was gonna say there was the propaganda piece. I felt like, honestly, when she said black patriotism makes her uncomfortable, I feel like a lot of people got what she meant by that. And it wasn't until the propaganda piece that they threw the two together and said, all right, let's wrap this shit up. Because, I mean, again, I'm familiar with her content, so I absolutely understood what she meant by that. I did not agree, you know, and I made my videos saying why I didn't agree. But, you know, much like TikTok does, they take it completely left. And so a lot of people were making a lot of think pieces. Now we're getting into the monoracial black people who versus biracials, which is always my.

[A]

One of my favorite arguments, because I always think the conversation is so goddamn stupid. And I always just love to laugh at both sides sounding absolutely ridiculous. It's crazy because I was on Live yesterday talking about. Because somebody asked me, like, what I think about the whole one drop rule and how do I think about, like, what I think about biracials? And I. I said, you know, the funniest part about this conversation is this is like the most black ass conversation we'll ever have. Because white people don't talk about this, number one. But number two, I said, well, they do.

[B]

They have their version of it.

[A]

But, you know, to be fair, I don't know what goes on in white households. I just made that up.

[B]

I was in. I was in a Girl Scout troop. They. They absolutely have their break. It's.

[A]

Oh, wow. Oh, no, but I meant specifically about biracials.

[B]

Oh, no, no. They see all biracials as not white, so it doesn't matter.

[A]

Right.

[B]

You know what I'm saying? That's why I was like, oh, white people.

[A]

Yeah, I know. They have their own version.

[B]

Yeah, you know, for sure.

[A]

But as far as, like, biracials, they don't give a fuck. Y'all are nucleus.

[B]

Yeah, I was gonna say they don' Seeing that take from. What is this monoracial black people, California. And you know, California niggas love making a biracial baby. The white people do not see those ladies, you know, as white as they may look to you. They don't see them as white.

[A]

They can spot a nigga from the.

[B]

They don't give a fuck. And that's the one thing. That's why I was saying, as someone who is biracial passing, some would say, please, Biracial passing. You know, when I put the Bright wig on and beige brigade. Fluorescent beige. Just, you know, having just been in certain conversations, it's like there are fair points on both sides. Telling biracial people to shut the fuck up and never speak on anything black is. Is crazy. I just, I just.

[A]

But it's also funny.

[B]

It's funny. It's funny because I'd be like, sorry when David said if you suckled the teat of your oppressor, shut the fuck up. If you think I've said that to Sabrina 1700 times this weekend alone. Like any, any person with a white bond, I'm not saying that to. It's hilarious.

[A]

Yeah. And what I said on Live last night was the reason that these conversations last so long is because I. And I hate to say it, but I need y'all to hear me. And, and I mean this with love and respect. Our biracial cousins, y'all are sensitive as fuck. And y'all be low key, weak. If somebody sat up here and tried to debate me on who I. I am. I'm not making 20 videos trying to rebuke hello. So then like, because you try so hard to rebuke it and prove it and shit like that, it creates a longer conversation, I feel like. And that's why we always say, like, that's why we can tell y'all have white mamas versus black mamas. Not because it's this whole deep ass conversation. Because if you had a black mama, that black mama would be like, bitch, you're black. And that's the end of the conversation. Stop coming with this. A white mom is gonna be like, let's talk about your identity and how it's complex and your dad and your mom and it's too mixing. We gotta get. And it's like, babes, I don't give a goddamn, to be honest with you. Like, it's just not that deep. And sometimes y'all really just like.

[B]

What I'm saying is I literally made a video saying this exact thing. Someone was in my. My comments, like, people think you're by rich. I said, bitch, I'm not. And that's why it's funny. You can yell until you're blue in the face about my skin tone. Both my parents are literally darker than me. So it like, it's funny.

[A]

Don't care.

[B]

I was gonna say your parents are literally dark skinned. Like, we understand the Punnett Square. It's funny. You guys are crazy.

[A]

It's funny. It's funny. And it's just like, y'all have to stop feeding into these conversations. If.

[B]

If.

[A]

Cause. And. And that's how I know that some of y'all do have internalized identity issues. Because somebody trying to dispute who you are would not affect you. Because somebody looking at me and saying, but you look mixed. You look this.

[B]

Okay, but I'm not.

[A]

So next conversation. You know what I'm saying? And I also said this. I don't really. You know, this is just. This is me being ignorant. Cause I feel like, as a black person, I'm gonna always keep a little bit of ignorant in me. I think I'm just gonna always be a little ignorant. I just feel like, to be honest with you, these conversations started getting real wicked when we started using the term biracial back in my day was mixed.

[B]

Well, they started using biracial, I think, to account for everyone. Because, again, what's also happening right now with this particular biracial conversation, it's being only white and black, but you can be biracial and be, like, Mexican and from Pakistan. I don't know.

[A]

Yeah, but you know, them mix them type of mix folks. I don't know. It didn't even used to be all these. What was that old?

[B]

That's. That was.

[A]

That's what I'm saying. Like, that's how I know I got so boomer. I got so old Southern black in me. Because again, back in the early 2000s, it was only really two type of mixes. You had white and black and Asian.

[B]

And black and Blasians. And you know what? Someone said this on Twitter. That's why y'all hate Blasians, because they. They. They don't mind being biracial because they love it. They love it. They. I'm both black and Asian. And when you think about it, I respect it. I respect it.

[A]

I do, too. It's just like, facts. You are Blasian baddie.

[B]

We're going to take a break. And we're back, but let's get into Davin's half. Davin has been receiving a lot of backlash because after. Now I've said this on TikTok, I didn't even know this conversation was happening till three days out. I left the Beyonce performance on cloud nine and was blissfully unaware for 72 hours.

[A]

Bruh. I did not know it was gonna even cause that. Like, after I watched the Beyonce bowl, I was like, I love her. A day later, I saw Hand's video, and as you said, Hand, like, Hannah Han. I don't know. She does make a lot of political content. So I've seen Like several her videos. And when it comes to leftist ideology, I would consider myself to be a leftist. Actually, contrary to popular belief, I really would. I have very extreme leftist beliefs when it comes to politics. I just am what I would like to call a realistic leftist.

[B]

That's fair.

[A]

I know that certain things are not gonna happen so I don't strain my neck trying to be.

[B]

I just have been on Shaheem's neck for that, for being really realistic.

[A]

I have to be honest with myself. And that's why I feel like I can actually look at certain things happening. Because I also used to be very much like super strong willed in my leftist conversations. I used to really try to. I was just like that at some point. And that's why I be thinking sometimes and I'm not saying this is hand specifically, but just in general sometimes when I see leftists get on here being very vocal and very strong. What about certain random, random small topics? I think to myself, oh, I think you're a new leftist. Because that's how I acted when I was a new leftist. Now present day I'm more so the sit back and allow conversations to happen so I can just be well versed and I want to like watch how things evolve and I want to learn more and really develop my own personal politics versus trying to convince the world that systemic racism is a thing. You know what I'm saying? Like so I just, I think it's a different level. So when I, when I saw her video I was like, I mean, I guess don't agree.

[B]

Yeah, I was just saying that's the other thing.

[A]

Whatever.

[B]

Beyonce, another creator said this specifically. I made the video saying trying to critique Beyonce to black people is like trying to critique Barack Obama to older black people. Even if you have points, a lot of people are not even gonna try and hear. They don't wanna hear, you know, so already that was gonna have a certain level of backlash. It's kind of like how the barbs are with Nikki that it's like I'm surprised but I'm also not surprised at how this conversation went. I know specifically I made a video saying, you know, I considered this an academic conversation, like, cause she was talking from a state from a standpoint of like politics and whatnot. This was not giving Wendy Williams at all. And that's not her content. And like someone was like, why has it got to be academics when a biracial person talking? I was like, well no, if you watch that girl's content, it's just, I was gonna say if you watch that girl's content. That is her content. Her content is literally politically driven. It's citing facts. Like, she come. Like, she does be coming with a lot of facts. So. And that's how she positioned the topic to begin with. It was never to throw mud on Beyonce. I think she started the video saying she liked Beyonce. So it was like, y'all are trying to give love and hip hop. And that's why this is unserious. Yeah, that's why this is unseen.

[A]

And it was funny because it was like, as I was watching, I was like, oh, I already. I knew exactly what that was when I watched her video. I was like, this is somebody who is not well versed in southern culture. And I didn't. But I also didn't take it personally. Like, I saw some response videos. People like, you don't. You don't care about the Southern black pride, you biracial bitch. And I was like, well, something to say. It was. I was like, why are. I didn't. I didn't get the whole personal. Like, I didn't think that it was offensive to black Southerners. As a black Southerner. Now, again, you can take offense to what you take offense to, but I was just kind of like.

[B]

I mean, it is a very. I just don't think she niche. Niche genre of black Southerner, though. That's the other thing. It's not just like black Southerner. Like. And I mean, I said this in all my videos being here in Houston, and you know, it's very southeast Texas.

[A]

Which is why I made my follow up video.

[B]

Yeah. Like in the past two years, being on the horses, you know, picking up that as a hobby, going to the trail rides, going to these, they're not. They're the California version of the sideshows with the car, the car shows. But it'd also be hella horses there. Like, why is there cars? Just any means to get around, bring them. This is a very niche part of black Southern culture that I think Beyonce put a huge spotlight on. And so the people who are coming from that are, you know, extremely proud. So I think already not being recognized, and then now you are being recognized and you're up, you know, for hella critique. It's like, okay, well, shut the fuck up. So I.

[A]

And I also wanna say this one point because I feel like this point never gets kind of talked about and it's always like, kind of frustrating for me. So whenever we have the conversation of artists being shallow in their politics, I'm never really understand why that is such an issue only because. Let's think back to Marvin Gaye making a song. What's Going On. That song was born out of the things that was happening in the outside world. The song is not that revolutionary, though. But it's a song that he said, listen, I'm an artist. What the heck? I'm going to experience myself in art form. And I think that that's what all artists do. Their politics may be shallow because at base level, they're just. They're just people who are just experiencing life and they're going to give you the art that they give. Why are y'all expecting Beyonce and Kendrick Lamar to have these in depth political conversations when they are not political scholars?

[B]

I'm literally thinking about it's wars and.

[A]

All type of bullshit going on.

[B]

And Marvin Gaye looked around and said, what the hell is going on?

[A]

What the fuck is going on?

[B]

That is a mess up Motherfast. It's like the most undeep thing ever.

[A]

It's just like, basically it's so. And that's like my whole fucking Aretha. R E S B E C T. That's a fucking political song.

[B]

It is.

[A]

Is it that? Is it. Is it so deep that we could use this as a way to understand political scholarness? No, that is a feminine song.

[B]

Respect is. And it's excited. I definitely remember in one of my classes in college, definitely, we analyzed respect as like a feminist. Absolutely. I was gonna say the scripts did that.

[A]

Yeah, but. And so now all of a sudden, I think people are looking when they see artists tapping into songs that may have a little bit of politicalness undertones to it. They. You don't even understand what it's like to be a socialist because you participate in capitalism. So did Aretha. So did Marvin Gaye. So did all James Brown.

[B]

James Brown was one of vicious asses. In the process. He was also one of the vicious asses.

[A]

Everything is going to be a very deep nuance, since we all love that word. Everything is nuanced. So I feel whenever I see this conversation popping up about artists being shallow in their politics, my. My answer to that is, so not.

[B]

Everybody needs to swim in the deepest of rivers. I think that's the other thing with TikTok. TikTok makes everyone think they have to be a scholar or that they are a scholar or wants to be a scholar. And that's why I literally, like. I remember when we were on the chopping block, someone said this. This girl lady made a video about me basically saying, like, you Think light skinned. He was like, colorism is a curse because a light skinned person can talk, whatever. And y'all think they're. They know theory. And I commented, I was. It was just like, what's insane about. What was so insane about the video? I said, I'm articulate and well spoken. It's not my fault y'all think I'm not.

[A]

All light skinned are dumb, they say.

[B]

Which a lot are. I'm not gonna lie.

[A]

I'm saying a lot of them are.

[B]

I wouldn't. Not this, not this one. But also, even in my own personal content, I always say, like, I would rather y'all recognize me as Wendy Williams than a fucking, I don't know, intellectual. I don't want to be on that. That realm. Y'all always put me in that realm because I just, I'm articulate and I got common sense. And I think so many people lack that though, that you do.

[A]

And a lot of people don't really. Like, I enjoy looking into political things and reading certain, you know, concepts and theories just like in my pastime, I enjoy it. I don't particularly like creating content around it because when I first started making my comeback in social media, I made a lot of political content.

[B]

You did.

[A]

I swiftly stopped doing that because it.

[B]

Was a drag, Jameela.

[A]

It was so like, first of all, it was.

[B]

It was like the type of audience.

[A]

That it brought me. I said, oh, yeah, nevermind. And I stopped making it. Like, I stopped doing it.

[B]

What's insane about that is that that's not even Han's first time being into it on the Internet. She. But she's usually into it in her. In her corner of the Internet. You get what I'm saying? So that's why. And then again, like I said, I followed her for like years because I be following political content in a general sense. There are a couple political tiktokers that I keep up with, and she's always been one of them. And like, during the fucking when Kamala came in, bro, she was into it with people, like, all the time. So I just feel like. And that's why for me, it was funny having that context. And I was saying, y'all doing housewives reads on this lady?

[A]

Like, I was like, I was like.

[B]

I was like, Han is definitely out of her death right now. Like, this is. This is a. I can see this.

[A]

And I'm just like, girl, just stop while you're head.

[B]

Because, like, she's used to people, you know, when she's going back and forth They're. They're literally yelling about politics at each other and, like, throwing facts in. Da, da, da, da, da. And now it's like, people are like, you stupid, biracial bitch. And she's like, whoa, what does that have to do with it?

[A]

Yeah. And then it came across as like, oh, my gosh, everybody's being mean to the little biracial girl. And I was like, no. I mean, sure, fair. Now folks were being mean, but at the same time, like, hey, you know, it was just. It was two worlds that collided that were never meant to be.

[B]

Do you follow me? It was. And it was like, that's why. And that is literally why.

[A]

That's why it was funny.

[B]

That's why it was funny. Number one. Again, people, the context of this. Again, Like, I just can't stress enough. This was not Han's life. Like, it just simply wasn't.

[A]

It wasn't.

[B]

And, like, it was.

[A]

They're like, oh, when I was making.

[B]

My videos, and they were like, oh, you guys are coddling her. I'm like, well, I think the people who are mutuals with Han are also familiar with her content and definitely understand that, like, for us, we will talk about political things, but we're also shit talkers. So the shit talking, think pieces are like, oh, we can go toe. We can go toe to toe with y'all. It was definitely an understanding that this was not that. You know, like, this was not that.

[A]

And honestly, being mutuals with everybody involved ever.

[B]

And that's why I was making it clear in every single video. Yeah, y'all, I'm just gonna stir the pot at this point. It's funny. I think we all should just laugh at it because it's obviously not going away. We're on day 75 of it, so let's just all laugh. So I was laughing at DAV and shit. But then also I was laughing at. Oh, I can't think of the creator right now. I want to pull his stuff up.

[A]

Kristen.

[B]

Christian was it. I believe. Let me. Let me confirm if it was Christian with the beanie. Yes. With the green beanie or with the red beanie.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yes.

[B]

When he was like, apartheid, South Africa was spitting. I said, hey, listen, that's what y'all sound like right now, though.

[A]

Y'all.

[B]

Y'all was. Y'all was acting so dense, like you didn't understand colored when Tyler was telling y'all she was colored.

[A]

So funny. And that's. But that was my whole point yesterday on my live, like, black people, we are Very contradictory. But I think that's funny. I love that though. I, I true love that I said, listen, black people, what we're going to do is we're going to look at you in your face and be like, you're not black just because you're annoying. And, and tomorrow black we're gonna look.

[B]

At like, this is a group of people.

[A]

Hello.

[B]

Literally tell a black person I'm taking away your black card. Come on guys. Like, like, let's take this.

[A]

Tomorrow we'll see a bitch who is quite obviously white but has a little thick ass nose and be like, you got some black in you, baby. How we do, I don't know. And it's funny to me that we're that contradictory and we're hypocrites and then we'll gaslight you later like, no, you're, you're not black because you're annoying. But let you be real. You a cool ass bitch. You be a cool ass white and we'll say you're. Listen, do you know how many people.

[B]

To this day say that?

[A]

Paul Walk and say, you know who.

[B]

Ain'T never been called a rat ass biracial? Mariah Carey, Halle Berry. Listen, when they were bringing up Latto in the passing conversation, they said, y'all never, y'all never talk about Mariah Carey in this. And someone put Mariah Carey's stats and like all of her hip hop and R and B hits and said, this is literally why we don't watch.

[A]

That's what I'm saying. And it's like, you know, I respect us being so like committed to our hypocrisy. I love it.

[B]

It's fun.

[A]

It's fun. And I too participate. I don't give a damn what have you said.

[B]

That's hypocritical. Jamila.

[A]

I'm hypocritical about most things. Just, I just, it depends on the day. Depends on what? I feel like crazy, you know, because it's just like, I don't know, like, yeah, it is okay if I do something and it's not okay when you do it. Yeah, I don't care.

[B]

I do, I believe in gender role. No. Am I finna take out the trash also? No, that's a boy's job and that's.

[A]

Oh, great point. I am actually so like, I'm like a like super, super feminist. Like I said, I'm actually, I have very leftist, real leftist, like ideologies. But at the same time I do feel like you're a nigga and you're a boy. Take out that motherfucking trash. Or boy, every time I take out the trash, I sigh.

[B]

I don't.

[A]

Every time my daddy is here. Daddy, go take out that trash for me and pull it to the front. Actually, be a boy.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

I just love doing shit like that.

[B]

Like, I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. Girls who do boy drugs. My problematic terrify me. Why are you popping a perk? Be a lady.

[A]

Oh, like, why is you popping? You're supposed to be an alcoholic.

[B]

Something cute.

[A]

What the fuck are you doing? Little sipping on leave, bitch.

[B]

What are you doing?

[A]

You know what I'm saying? Like, you're scaring me.

[B]

I don't know. I don't like that.

[A]

I don't like it one bit. I don't like when girls are scammers either.

[B]

That is. No, but it has to be like a cute scam. Like, back in the day. I really wish checks were still big because being at the department store and writing a bad check, that's a very girly scam.

[A]

Now that with the big sunglasses on.

[B]

That is a cunt scam. Yes.

[A]

Oh, yes. Girl, you swiping, you making credit cards in the back room, sister. That is real boy energy.

[B]

It's not.

[A]

Don't do that.

[B]

Why are you cooking crack?

[A]

Oh, be a girl. Stay away from the scam.

[B]

There's so many illegal things you could do that is girly. Like, stop.

[A]

Yeah, I don't like that at all. It really disturbs me.

[B]

Actually hate when they're making drugs. Girl. What the fuck?

[A]

Also like, what?

[B]

Also when. Girl, mind you look at daring to take in the chest right now. Be a man. He just walked right past.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

Be a man. That's what I like to see. Like, also when. When girls are in gangs, like, I know I say blood a lot, but there are some girls who are, like, really serious about their gang.

[A]

Like, oh, my God, you go, really a blood. But there was this girl in my high school who. So I don't know if I should say the gang name and be messy. Ah, what the hell, I'll say it. Shout out Grimey Gang.

[B]

And they're called Grimey Gang.

[A]

Let me tell you why it's funny because. No, okay. It was like this. I think they're still, like, you know, doing things. I think they're still, like, being grinding. But it wasn't like, you know how Bloods and Crips, they're like, they're. They're, you know, stamped in what Everybody knows the Bloods and the Cribs, they've been here for a long time. Like, it's universal. Damn near.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

When they start talking about Grammar Gang, I'm like, who the is that? It was a new gang. It was like a new club. It was a new boys club on the street.

[B]

That's fun.

[A]

And I was just always like, I'm not scared of y'all. Like, I don't know, like. Because, like, knowing the boys who were, like, in it, I just always make fun of them.

[B]

Context that you're also from Gwinnett Lake.

[A]

Hello.

[B]

I'm just not playing with y'all like that.

[A]

It was so funny because I never took it seriously. Like, I just always thought it was funny. And there was this girl who was just always, like, wanting to be the type of. Who says, like, these my brothers. Brothers. Brothers. Oh, you. You're sucking all their dicks.

[B]

Did you see Mel's video about brother about girl sisters, or was this.

[A]

Or something like that?

[B]

Yeah, that was so funny. And then Jiggy on Twitter, she had quoted and been like. And as you know, someone with brothers. I know you're just being weird, bitch, because be regular. Exactly.

[A]

Yeah. And they be wanting to fuck their brothers, but that's a different conversation.

[B]

That's how the ones who be about their mamas, too. On the flip.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What was the psychiatrist's name? Who? Who?

[A]

Oh, Sigmund Freud.

[B]

Freud. Freud hasn't missed. I think.

[A]

Please. Now, he was actually a sick.

[B]

No, he was sick as fuck. That's why he didn't miss, because he knew. He already knew. What the fuck?

[A]

I tell you all. I know that. I tell you why. I know that.

[B]

Mama, you looking good, girl.

[A]

But, yeah, this bitch literally, you know, she. She, like, joined the gang. It was like telling everybody how she joined the gang and how she got, like, beat into the game. But I think she also got trained with her. She got jumped in and I think she got a train with her, like, a double time.

[B]

And this is no shade, my sister. Why not just join an org and then you could network for life. If you're gonna let them jump you in, baby. What is happening? Do something smart.

[A]

We were in high school, and it's funny because, like, I actually got into it with some of the gang members.

[B]

This was back in my old Twitter, Jamila.

[A]

I just didn't give a fuck. I've just always been a troll and just. I don't know, like, one day I just decided, like, I'm just gonna be petty. So I had one on my old Twitter, which is gone. I was on my old Twitter. Probably for the best. Absolutely for the best. I tweeted you guys where y'all are hard, but y'all all share the same gun. The way they all came for me was so funny, but it's like, I didn't lie. Y'all do share the same gun. And they'll just, like, they'll just. No, this is Twitter. Like them. They literally shared the same gun. If one person had it, like, y'all couldn't take it. Like, they were like, you know, take the gun, take pictures with it, give it to the next person. Yeah, I was a minute and then they was like, oh, you. You want some weird. Nah, chill. They be really. They really be on that. I don't give a. I live with my parents.

[B]

Yeah. I'm not.

[A]

I'm a good girl, you know, I'm not involved in those things.

[B]

This doesn't strike fear in my heart. The one gun doesn't. My parents also have guns in their house, so it's. It's okay.

[A]

Yeah, it's just like.

[B]

I mean.

[A]

Okay. And obviously, like, nothing happened to me because.

[B]

We'Re gonna take a break.

[A]

Amber back.

[B]

Did you hear about Joy. What's her name on. On espn?

[A]

Joy. Joy Taylor.

[B]

That's what I. Okay, Joy Taylor. Did you hear about that? How do you feel?

[A]

I heard that she fucked her way to the top. I felt like, go, girl. My only thing about fucking your way to the top is because I've always felt like I have no issue with people fucking their way to the top. This is when I have an issue, is when I see the people that you had to fuck to get to the top. It's like, oh, they're ugly. I can't get with that, sister. If I have.

[B]

Sometimes they're gonna be ugly. Jamila, you're not really about it if you're not willing to someone ugly.

[A]

I'm only willing to fuck my way to the top if they're cute. Like, for example, if I had to fuck Michael Ealy to become, like, the best actress in the world. I'm doing that because I'm gonna do that.

[B]

He's so good of an actor. Actor because people still are mad at him for throwing them babies out the window.

[A]

And I'm not mad.

[B]

Okay, we'll talk about that later.

[A]

But yeah, when. When bitches be having to fuck for, you know, fuck to get to the top, like, I really support that because, like, you're really dedicated for fucking this ugly ass nigga to get. You know what I'm saying get your family out the mirror.

[B]

She was Emmanuel Ocho, allegedly. And here's the thing. Oh, I'm sorry, is it Ocho? It's a Nigerian last name. I know, I'm butchering it. Um, he's not ugly, but he's a prick.

[A]

So he's annoying.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And he's.

[B]

And fucking an annoying nigga is just as bad as fucking an ugly nigga.

[A]

It's just as bad as fucking an ugly nigga. Terrible. But did you see? I'm like, I know she be cringy, but he's like, I gotta get this watch.

[B]

Did you see that? They put. They were going back through all his tweets and they were like, she got that thing on her. Cause he was like, he used to tweet about her all the time.

[A]

Just being gypper as fuck, not just cringing like niggas.

[B]

So this is my thought. I. I feel very similar to you. Like, if she was consensually fucking them people, you know, one of my. I mean, everyone's of age, right? On the other hand, you know, women in male dominated spaces. I just hate what this conversation is doing for that frame of thought. It's like fueling it even more because there are so many girls. There are so many girls who just simply don't want to fuck y'all to get to the top. Like, for real.

[A]

And that should also be most. Don't.

[B]

That should also be an option to, like get promoted at your job without having to fuck the boss. Like, that should also be an option, you know? Like, you know, so I just hate that. And then also, like I said, every. Every tweet regarding Emmanuel Cho I've laughed at. It's. It's funny. Most of the tweets are funny.

[A]

And I also, to be honest, I think a lot of men get annoyed when this conversation is so pissy with this conversation because they know that they can't fuck their way to the top the way that women can. So they get upset and they start projecting and now they want to call in sluts and whores. You dirty, disgusting whores. And it's like, well, think about it.

[B]

Well, if they were really catching a vibe though.

[A]

But also think, let's think about this a little bit critically. Men are the bitches whores or are the men? Because y'all are the ones gatekeeping the promotions.

[B]

They said, Skip bayless only makes $8 million and allegedly offered that lady 1 million to fuck her. A huge chunk of your yearly salary for the cat. Honestly, if that's true. I respect her. Hell, yeah. I'm sorry.

[A]

For one piece. I don't know. That's a good trade off.

[B]

You have $8. Most, like, a huge chunk of your salary is going to this lady for one time. That's amazing.

[A]

And it's like, damn. She really like that?

[B]

Excellent. She has excellent rates. Hey, excellent rates, girl. Jesus Christ.

[A]

You go, sister. You'll always be famous.

[B]

I mean, yeah, at this point, that.

[A]

Name is gonna always.

[B]

I'm sad that it has to be, like, associated with this. That's what I'm saying. It's like it's gonna be associated with this frame of thought. But you know, for sure.

[A]

And the thing is, like, whether she did or she didn't, that, like, that frame of mind is always, like, it was always gonna be. Men are always going to assume that about women. So I don't give a fuck if women do it anymore, because y'all are gonna believe that that's therapy right now. So go ahead and do it. They're gonna think you did anyway, bitch. I don't know.

[B]

It's kind of like that movie Double Jeopardy when she was already found guilty of killing her husband, I believe. And she didn't kill him. So then she. When she got out of jail, she went and actually killed him. I was like, well, it's like, well, y'all already thought I did it, so now I might as well do it.

[A]

Yeah, like, fuck it.

[B]

No, that's fair.

[A]

I don't give a damn. And it's just like, men aren't. Men don't have the moral high ground to stand on, to judge women for the things that they do. Because the shit that y'all do is diabolical. Y'all do criminal shit. Like, I don't know. Y'all are fucking weird.

[B]

Listen, isn't it literally like Harvey Weinstein of the. Of the men. Men get depressed and then decide to do family suicide? Like, saying, you lost your job.

[A]

Not a whole family.

[B]

Everyone has to die because you lost your job. Is. Are we being serious?

[A]

That's so dramatic. And that's why I could never marry and date a white man. I'm not trying to die.

[B]

Be doing it, too. You saw that boy on Twitter.

[A]

They do.

[B]

And. And with the light eyes and the ugly and the ugly lock.

[A]

They sure do. Men are scary as fuck. Men are scary as fuck.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They said, bitch, you're leaving. How about no?

[B]

How about no?

[A]

What the fuck?

[B]

You know what's also really scary about that? It's like, you never know if you're with that type of man until you, like, you just have to fuck around and find out, like, there do be red flags.

[A]

Scary.

[B]

But it's like, red flags don't always show themselves right away. And then.

[A]

Yeah. And sometimes the red flag is you'll think it's because he's this way. Like, oh, this red flag just shows that maybe he's just not shit. But it don't give. It don't give.

[B]

Killer.

[A]

Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's like, it's misleading.

[B]

It's very stressful. Very stressful. That's why I know sexuality is not a choice.

[A]

Yeah. You know that happened to my cousin.

[B]

No, I know. I remember.

[A]

Like, that was actually some of the craziest shit. That shit still traumatizes me to this day.

[B]

It is. I feel like when you. When you. Even for me, when. When you were posting about it and reading it because she was in one of your shows.

[A]

Mm. She was going. She was going to be in the show that I'm currently editing right now. And what's crazy is this. And it's. It's so insane. She was killed on the 5th of May. I seen her on May 1st. That's when we had our table reading.

[B]

Yeah. And I remember you posting it so that. So the same way you were feeling. I was like, oh, my God. I just saw her on Jamila's, like, story and stuff. Like, what's up?

[A]

It was insane. Like, and it's crazy because when all that happened, like, me and my brother, we were like, we never liked him. Like, the first day we met him, I don't like him immediately. He just gave us. We're always very in tune with our energy and what we feel off of vibes from people. And unfortunately, I am never wrong. Now, remember how I said those red flags can be weird? We didn't get that from him, obviously. I never thought that he would kill her, but I knew that I did not like him. He actually gave me. Gave me, like, pedo, like, weirdo vibes. Like, he's a pervert type. That's the vibes he gave me. He was. I was very uncomfortable and just gave me real shifty. His. It was. It was some evil in his eyes. And I never liked him. I never tried to speak to him. I went out of my way to avoid him. And so to hear that happen for.

[B]

A long time, like, since y'all was.

[A]

She was so. She was with him for, I want to say, like, 20 something years. She was with him For a long time. This was her. This was her second husband. So her children were not.

[B]

I wasn't like, you were kind of speaking like you knew him as a kid.

[A]

No. So that side of my family is from California, so I didn't meet. I didn't actually meet them until we moved to Georgia.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Because they ended up moving to Georgia too.

[B]

Got it.

[A]

Her specifically. So I didn't know them. I mean, I think I did know them as kids. Like they came to our family room, but I was so young, so I didn't really have too much memory. Right. So I kind of had. Had more memory when we actually moved to Georgia. So, yeah, we were, we were gagged that. That happened. But I knew, I said, I'm not. He gotta. He gotta die. No shade. Like he did not care.

[B]

He didn't kill himself.

[A]

No. And I really, I really wish he did.

[B]

We're gonna take a break.

[A]

Amber, back when you were talking about.

[B]

The energy, something like that happened to me. I met a man out in the club when I was living in California. It was a very regular react like interaction in terms of like, oh, I think you're pretty. Let me get your number. Chatted him up, he seemed cool. All these different things, right. And I was talking, I talked to him on the phone like, like a handful of times. I wanna say like three. And it just couldn't figure it out. Cause he kept trying to like, obviously take me on a date. And I was just like, something's off. And I couldn't explain what it was like, you know, just that feeling. It's like I. It's not that I think you're a bad person. It's just like. Like something's off. Like you're not. You're giving me a weird vibe and I don't know what it is. I'm not gonna jump to conclusions and say anything about you. It's just like I have to back up a little bit. Please tell me why like three? I think it was like within a month of meeting him and me deciding, talking to him on the phone. Because I text him. I never linked up with him. He. He worked at a school, like as like a after school aide. He raped a 12 year old. He was like having a relationship with one of his sixth grade students. Like, and it was a. It was all over the news. It was all over the. No, that. Jameela, sixth grade is like, oh, that's clearly a baby. You know what I'm saying? Like, oh, whoa. So like when my mom was watching it on the news and the mug shot popped up, bitch. My heart dropped in my fucking coochie. And obviously my mom has no context of like, what's going on? She's like, what's wrong? What's wrong with you? You, you. You finna. Because, you know, like callback, the fainting, like having like, if any high emotion. Like I have physical reactions too. So like I'm, I'm known for throwing up. Like, that's like, if I'm sad, mad, too happy, like, I will throw up. You look like you're about to throw up. Like, my mom was just like, what is going on with you? I ended up telling her eventually what it was. Yeah, but like was sitting there and hearing the details and shout out to that young girl's family because her daddy and uncles found him, come up to the school and jumped him before he was arrested.

[A]

Good for them.

[B]

Good for them, Good for them.

[A]

Ah, these sick bastards.

[B]

I was gonna say, always follow your gut, ladies. It's never gonna. You don't need to explain it in that moment because again, even like what you're saying, even like what I'm saying, years after, weeks after, like, you can't explain it. That shit will save your life a lot of time, you know, get you in a situation. I couldn't like, oh my God.

[A]

Exactly what it is, but it's something.

[B]

If I had even kissed him, I might have killed myself.

[A]

Jamila.

[B]

Like, ah, what the.

[A]

So serious. I know.

[B]

What? Like, bro, you're not for real right now. Maybe that's why he didn't. The conversation didn't feel right because he was used to talking to a 12 year old. Like, what the. Exactly like that exact feeling. Imagine if he had touched me, how I would have felt because I felt like that and I was simply just texting him.

[A]

Damn.

[B]

Horrible. Hate him. Yeah, he's going to hell.

[A]

Should be wicked. Should be wicked. These men are crazy. Insane. But you definitely gotta show sugar instinct because it's like I've had so many different instances where I'm just like, I don't know. Like, I don't, I don't really like this person. I don't, I don't have. I don't know what it is and it'll, it'll reveal itself later.

[B]

Like, oh, okay, don't you love being that friend when you meet the other people and you're like, don't really vibe with them. Not really my thing. Can't really explain it, you guys, but you guys go off and have fun and then like weeks, months, Maybe years later, they're like, oh, they're actually a horrible rad ass individual. And this is why. Well, I had always felt that way, so.

[A]

Yep. I told you. Told you.

[B]

Sorry, don't care.

[A]

I told you I don't like her. Yeah.

[B]

0 out of 10.

[A]

So funny.

[B]

Well, I was gonna say. You ready to spin it?

[A]

We're gonna take a break. And we're back.

[B]

Wow. We spoke too soon when we said no technical difficulties. Which, you know, it works out because I'm constantly looking into this camera because I'll be looking at Jamila. This is my laptop camera. My. Like I said, my memory card is full, or I didn't take. Or I. Melissa said I have to reformat it, even though I've been deleting.

[A]

Mecca is kind of an old lady, so I'm gonna get her right, y'all?

[B]

Well, well, it's not my fault the card is empty. It's just.

[A]

And that's why you got the clear before pay.

[B]

No, I did. I always. Whenever we drop our clips to Melissa, I delete the clips after I drop them. So that's why she was saying I might need to reformat it because it's already empty. There's nothing on the card.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And it did record the first 11 minutes. So what I'm. I'm still gonna send that to Melissa, and then when it switches over, maybe it'll be something different. This isn't bad, though. I feel like this is feng shui.

[A]

Yeah. You know, at least we. And. And I love that we have backups now.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So it's like.

[B]

And you know what's also crazy? I brought another light out here. So the day we did the Jackie video, my light was really low, and people were like, mecca, what the hell is going on? We recorded that. Those on our laptops, but it was like, what the fuck is going on with the light? So maybe go get another light for in here. And it looks really good from what I'm seeing. Like, it was a good movie move. But anyway, technical difficulties aside, let's get into our favorite segment. Spin it. Full disclosure. Jamila and I are not PR professionals. We just simply. We're communication girlies in undergrad, and we enjoy the hustle. We enjoy talking about it. And, you know, if you have any salacious, scandalous, messy situations that you would like us to put a PR spin on, send them to hingedanemoralpodmail.com. so, Jamila, what do we have this week?

[A]

Let's get into it. Hey, y'all, y'all. Are my faves right now. Sending all the love and support for the new pod being tuned in every week. Thank you so much. Here's my situation. Last summer, I started talking to this man and we'll call him cj. Me and CJ live about an hour and a half away from each other. And we're keeping in touch and sleeping together every time we're in the same city. For about a year, we went to concerts together together. And I grew to care for him and his career a lot. I am usually the ghosting type. So this threw me for a complete loop. My friends know me to keep a man or two on standby. And for a year plus, it's been only this man. Bad down man. CJ's issue. CJ's issue is that he is very attractive and charming and he knows it. Oof. Dangerous. I never tell him these things about. I never tell him these things about him because my ego won't allow me to make this his any bigger. We have similar career goals and he has better access to it. He grew up in the city and I grew up in the sticks. He always picked. Picked fun in me for this so much that it started to make me feel like a white person. Like we are not black. Are we not both black? This is my first major dummy man relationship situation. Anyways, I peep something and I think he has a new lady. We never ever. We were never ever exclusive. So I can't be super mad. But my ego unfortunately can't let him have one up on me. How do I spend this without posting a man to get my ego back? Trying to keep this real anonymous. What Boston Richie say? Help me shout out to Frankie crying.

[B]

You know we shout out Frankie every episode. Damn near. I'm gonna start. I gotta let him know. I don't think he knows, but.

[A]

Right. Please.

[B]

Okay. So just so we all on the same page. She fucking cj. CJ is. I'm gonna assume his dick is really good. Cause you keep fucking him and he's clearly fine. Cool. Y'all not exclusive though. And y'all live an hour away. That's probably why you're not exclusive. Honestly. Because the long distance. Cool. Now, see, you develop feelings for him.

[A]

Because I was talking for a year and a half.

[B]

Which is normal. I don't get why everyone acts like you talk to someone a lot longer. Like I care about you, bro. You're not gonna make me feel bad about caring about you. What the.

[A]

That's not bad at all.

[B]

Weirdo.

[A]

You're not in the wrong for that.

[B]

I'm a psychopath. I have feelings and emotions and that's okay. Okay, now you have have feelings for him, but nothing exclusive. He seems to have chose up and now you're on your feet and you want to make a little post about it. Cool.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

We've all been there, so this is the exact situation we could help you spin. I don't think you need to start out with Instagram posts, though.

[A]

No.

[B]

Obviously C.J. would have you on IG, right? I kind of wanna. She didn't say she hasn't talked to him though, right?

[A]

Yeah, I think they're still talking.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I was just assuming that he has another bitch. Cause he's probably acting weird. We always know if the nigga acting.

[B]

Weird, he's the broker.

[A]

Got a bitch.

[B]

Okay, cool, Cool. I was like, you're still talking, or.

[A]

As I just recently found out in jail.

[B]

You wanna talk about it?

[A]

No. Maybe next week.

[B]

Maybe next week once it's solved. Will you tell them what's going on?

[A]

Things are still developing.

[B]

Okay. Okay. Okay.

[A]

So tune in next week to figure out what the fuck that's about.

[B]

Okay. Fairness. Sure. Still talking to him. Okay. He's. He's fucking other bitch. Not in jail. I would say act normal. Act normal like he's acting normal. Do like, I'm. I'm not gonna hold you guys. Like, gaslighting is foolproof. It is. It really is. Mirror his behaviors now.

[A]

Especially if you're good at it.

[B]

If you're good at it. And he probably won't care, but he probably won't care in the sense of, like, if he's talking to someone else, then that lady definitely has his attention. But he's still in contact with you, which means he's still keeping an eye on you, which means you can still make. You can still play chess like this. You can still do it.

[A]

You still get what you get.

[B]

Like if he still. If you're saying, oh, I just don't want to post a story. That's basic. Like, yeah, he's still watching your stories. What I would do is if he's trying to fall off, I'm so good for this. I'm telling myself. I'm telling myself, text him. Because you know he's gonna text you. You know he's gonna respond eventually. Don't respond back. You see what I'm doing here?

[A]

Get him in a loop.

[B]

Throw him for a loop. Like, text him. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like something like. Cause usually when you're in those Type of situations. I'm thinking back to the situation that I was in like this a couple years ago, where I like the guy and he was. Was clearly pulling back. And, you know, no one's. No one's in a relationship. We're all single. It's just, like, obvious what's going on. So at that point, I would text him, like, oh. And I knew he was still going to respond to me, and I just wouldn't respond to him. Or I would take a day, you know, a day or two. Or I would just. So it's also like, I'm busy as well. Like, I'm living as well. After you do that. I. Like, maybe the first time you do it, if y'all are still in active communication, take, like, eight hours, you know what I'm saying? Like, if you text them in lunchtime, don't text them back till the evening or even, like, right before you go to sleep. And don't. Don't make an excuse. Don't do the whole, oh, my God, I was so busy. Like, literally just have the conversation like, it just happened 10 minutes ago. And then once you do that, the more you do that, keep elongating the time. That's my playbook. And then you can start posting. Then you can post like, oh, I'm outside. I'm outside with the girls. You get me?

[A]

So, see, here's the thing. You kind of want to. The same way you're feeling, this nigga has a bitch on the side. And it's not that he has his bitch on the side. He's just now talking to other people. Like, that's fair. You want him to start thinking the same thing. But the way that men view and women view are different. So what niggas do is they just start acting weird, right? That's not what we do. Like, we're not going to just start being weird to you all of a sudden. We're going to like, you got to play it co. So, for example, if every time you go see him, you spend the night, the next time you go see him, leave as soon as y'all done fucking, immediately.

[B]

Gonna fuck his head up, girl. That will. That's gonna fuck his head up.

[A]

Where you going? I just got a lot.

[B]

I just got something to do.

[A]

I can't even got a lot to do. Had a good time, though. Like, keep it so, player.

[B]

I was gonna. I know it's an hour and a.

[A]

Half, but we're setting trust.

[B]

Like, I'm just thinking of myself when I'm, you know, Dating. And then when it's like time for me to choose out much like men, women do not immediately stop talking to the hoes. If ever. You know what I'm saying? Like if ever. We are very good at keeping every. Like men are good at this too, but it's just like you said, it's different, like keeping everyone at bay. But also I feel like women are better at like when you're in a woman's presence, it's not going to be a weird vibe. Now how often are you going to be in my presence? Not as much and you'll notice it. But when you are here, I'm not gonna be weird. That's the thing about men. They will get in your presence and be weird and be weird.

[A]

And it's like, okay, now I don't.

[B]

Wanna do this now I really don't.

[A]

Cause I don't like weird energy. Like stop being so fucking weird. Like. Cause my thing is if we're both have committed to being non exclusive, I am already gonna assume you're talking to other bitches. You don't have to start acting weird when you start talking to a new bitch. Just be regular. And if you don't wanna talk to me no more, just say that. Stop being weird.

[B]

Or just ghost me. Like R.I.P. you know, like she said she's pro ghosting. I'm also pro ghosting. I don't like, I don't like a slow ghost.

[A]

Yeah, but also what do we say every week at this point, y'all gotta stop having one nigga. You get too attached and too pressed over them and then when something go wrong, now you're over here trying to figure out how to strategize to get back at him. If you had multiple niggas, you wouldn't, you probably wouldn't have even noticed that he was being weird.

[B]

Can I say, can I. You want to hear a story about me having multiple niggas and not noticing stuff? Well, one was Mexican. But like I was, the Mexican man I was talking to owned a restaurant. Well, his fan, his mom started a restaurant here. And it's a really, it's really good restaurant. It's very popular. And like this was years ago. Like this is when I first moved to Houston. So this is almost, this is almost five years ago at this point. Talking to him had so many niggas. It was fun. He dropped off the face of the planet. And I did notice, but I had multiple niggas and my Mexican. But so I didn't, I didn't notice like and he was a football. He's a, he was a college football player, right? And so he told me when we were talking that his mom had a restaurant and that she had his football jersey hung up in the restaurant and. Da, da, da, right? So fast forward a year later. Sabrina's telling me about this restaurant that she wants to go try. You know, Texas is known for Tex Mex, not authentic Mexican food, which is different, and California straight authentic Mexican food. So it's, it's just like, I want some authentic Mexican food. Sabrina found out about this spot and was like, oh, let's go here. I heard they're really good. So this is right at the end of COVID when we're all still wearing masks, mind you. Sabrina had just did my hair. I looked cute as fuck. So I walk in there on the mask and I'm looking around. No, no. So, so let me back up. We're in the car. She shows me the Instagram. She's like, here's. Click that. Click in the link in the bio. Look at the menu so we can know we want to eat when we get there.

[A]

Cool.

[B]

I'm on the Instagram. Like, I'm scrolling and I'm like, I've seen this page before. I said, I've been on this page and I, I just, I can't remember when I was on the page. So I'm scrolling, scrolling, scrolling. I see his. I see his jersey hanging in one of the pictures. I'm like this. I said, yeah. I said, girl, you remember that Mexican boy I was talking to when we first moved out here? I said, this his mama restaurant. Because I had told, like, obviously in real time, like, and Sabrina and I lived together at that time. So in real time, I'm telling her about it. Like, cool. I keep scrolling, scrolling, scrolling. His mama had passed away. The founder of the restaurant had passed away. And I'm looking at the date, and the date is lining up around the time he goes to me. And I wouldn't have known a thing because I had so many niggas. Girl went in the restaurant. I'm not, I'm being dead ass. That's really what happened. Sabrina went in the restaurant. Follow me. Sabrina. Camila. That's really what happened. Went in the restaurant. You're trying to just laugh.

[A]

It's just so like, it's always like, it's always, it's always so like, like, man.

[B]

I had my mask on. He we making eye contact. And I could tell at first he didn't know who I was, but he could tell he knew me because I had the mask on. So we sit. We. We get seated. I'm keeping the mask on. Cause I'm already like, I don't want. I don't even want to say nothing to this man because I just realized he ghosted me because his mama passed away. Like, I just realized that. You get what I'm saying? So now I'm like, so, Sabrina dumbass sitting there talking about why you still got your mask on. Girl, you making my spot hot. As soon as I take the mask off, he's eating, make our contact. We order some drinks. He personally made our drinks. And he made our drinks strong as shit. I really wanted him to, Like, I feel like he did that because he wanted me to say something, and he made them so strong. I was this close. I was this close.

[A]

So you never said anything?

[B]

No. And I've seen him a couple times out. Mind you, I have him on Instagram still. I've never stopped following him. We never got each other off or, you know, unfollowed each other.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And he has a girlfriend now. But it's just funny because, like, he's engaged with my content. But, like, he. He still was engaging with my content somewhat.

[A]

Like, no, B.

[B]

It's just.

[A]

It was like, I get it now.

[B]

When I see him when we go there, like, he'll hold the door open, like. But it's always so funny how, like, we. Neither one of us has ever acknowledged it.

[A]

Just never addressed it.

[B]

We've never said it.

[A]

It'd be like that.

[B]

It's like that. It's no need to.

[A]

Yeah, there's definitely. I still follow quite a few of my old flings that were just never that deep. Like, it never got, like, you know, it was never no beef. For real. I really only unfollow if, like, you really got on my nerves or like, you actually tried me. Like, the who brought a to a party that I planned for him.

[B]

Who was that?

[A]

Who even. You actually met him. That's what's crazy. When you came out here and we went to fucking run punch.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

The who popped up in the line. I said we had. Mind you, at that point, we hadn't even been talking because he had. I got on my nerves previously, yes. But he was being on his best behavior that weekend just to fucking try me a week later.

[B]

Yes, I do remember.

[A]

Yeah, he was.

[B]

Rum punch was intense. I felt very autistic in rum Punch. Seriously.

[A]

No Rum Punch.

[B]

I never went to church yesterday, too, because it was so many people and it Was. You know, it's the first Sunday baptism communions I go to.

[A]

Like, oh, it was a lot.

[B]

Huge church here. I go to Willard Houston. It's like, it was so many people there. I was like, oh, my tis. I'm just acting up.

[A]

I actually am cool on never going to run punch again because it's just. It's just too much for me. I don't like all of that. Like, I'm cool on that. But. Yeah, no, he was fine. But he didn't. I mean, that was lame. Like, I actually was so pissed off about that. Like, are you dumb? It was actually so crazy that even his friend pulled him to the side. Like, what are you doing?

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Like, you're tripping.

[B]

You're really like.

[A]

Like, this is weird, actually.

[B]

I'll shut it all down. I'll go home.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. And. And I was so close to ruining everybody's night because I was that annoyed. But I just decided, you know what? I'm actually not even going to give you that satisfaction of pissing me off in public. I'm gonna. I'm gonna. I'm gonna sit on this and cuss you out later because I can't. I. I need a moment. Like, actually, don't talk to me, but. Yeah, I was gonna say.

[B]

So back to the spin behind jam. Yeah, I love Mexican food. And if you.

[A]

You need more.

[B]

I was gonna say, if you have more, you will not notice these things, these crazy things that be happening.

[A]

Yeah. Because again, I was only talking to him at that time.

[B]

Oh, that was a correlation. I was wondering where this was going. I thought we were just having another conversation. I was gonna be like, I mean, I'm vibing.

[A]

No, there's like, we do always have our conversations because it'd be spotting me.

[B]

Making you think of other things.

[A]

It all connects.

[B]

Connects. It all connects.

[A]

Yes. It's like we're telling you this because it's like, based off of experience, I can tell you to get more because based off experience, every time I've really been down bad, it's because I only had one. Like when Lotto said, must be your only. She ate me up with that.

[B]

You.

[A]

Right, yeah.

[B]

You need at least three. I'm not gonna lie to you. That's a safe number because you can have your favorite and then you can have your second favorite and then you can have the. That you don't really give a about.

[A]

And then it won't get too confusing. You won't start, you know, mixing up names and shit.

[B]

I was gonna say make sure.

[A]

And make sure they're all three different types. Get you. Get you one of each type of thing. That way you can really experiment and have fun and feel like you're getting best of all the world and feel like, you know, because I feel like if you're dating the same type of thing.

[B]

Nigerian people at one time was really crazy.

[A]

That sounds absolutely chaotic.

[B]

It was.

[A]

And too much.

[B]

I had a good time, though.

[A]

It's like you just talking.

[B]

I saw a Jamaican in the mix.

[A]

The same mix. Okay. Good luck with that. I don't.

[B]

I.

[A]

What?

[B]

The mom's still currently. Well, I guess we're going green flag versus green flag.

[A]

I don't want none of them.

[B]

For now anyway. Well, sister, let us know how that goes. Get you some more. Don't text them back quick. And then you start posting and do. We'll post and go out with your girls and do some fun shit.

[A]

Yes, always go out with your friends.

[B]

But ease into going out with your friends so it doesn't be obvious. Like, start at the hookah spot and then maybe next week y'all at the actual club.

[A]

That's valid.

[B]

We're gonna take a break. And we're back.

[A]

All right, let's get into these comments.

[B]

Comments.

[A]

Alrighty. So make sure you guys are engaging with the content so that we can know that you guys are liking it still. You know, make sure you guys are liking it. Subscribing following, leaving us comments. And you might be lucky enough to get your comment read out loud live on the podcast. And before I get into reading these, you guys, the Patreon is now live and we also have dropped by this time. You would. You should have already seen the. The exclusive episode dropped on our Patreon with the brothers, if you have not already. Oh, yeah. Plug Patreon, please. Please go ahead and subscribe to the patreon. It's only $3, y'all. We keeping it real modest.

[B]

Three American dollars.

[A]

Three American dollars. And I know some people like why y'all charge us for this. Listen, listen, listen. I promise you, everything is for a reason.

[B]

Well, it is Patreon.

[A]

You know, we do have to. We do have to spend money to make money, but we also have to spend money to make sure the podcast is delicious and beautiful and, you know, good quality. So we have lovely production staff. So you spending your lovely $3 on us is helping us produce more content for you. But you guys will get something out of it. Exclusive episodes. First dibs on merch drop coming soon. Coming.

[B]

We are planning the Merch. And that's really exciting. I will say I'm having fun trying to conceptualize ideas.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

I always have to read.

[A]

You guys will get first access to the live show as well. Tickets for the live show coming soon as well.

[B]

Also. Also in. In the works.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

So we're doing the. So.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Is it January 6th?

[A]

Yeah. Are you. I'm on. I'mma do the apple.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

All right. New fave. Not gonna lie. This is from Chris ae. I'm relatively new following Mecca and Jamila on Tik Tok, but this podcast is everything. The banter, the lore, the insight, real friends talking about anything and everything. It's hilarious and feels cozy. Love it here. Peru Vita underscore bliss. Mecca is in my brain. She is all of my intrusive thoughts. Y'all have me responding to y'all like I'm in the combo. Keep going. Love Mecca and Jamila. This is from Christian Simone. I love the both of y'all down. I listen while I'm at work, and I always thoroughly entertain. The way you guys bounce off of each other works so well, and I just love how real and genuine you guys are. So excited to see what you guys have have coming. Keep it up a key. Sid Vicious, underscore five. Love the show. The first episode was very nostalgic. We love intellectual, spicy, nuanced takes. Exactly.

[B]

Exactly. So I'm gonna read the comments from the Christmas episode, and these are from Spotify. Luna said, this has been the funniest episode yet. I looked. I looked insane on the subway trying to hold in my laugh during Jamila describing her planned funeral. You know what's crazy? I agree that the Christmas episode is the funniest one, and it's the episode with the least amount of views.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I feel that's crazy because we were so unhinged on that episode. It was so stupid. She said, I did lose it when y'all said, bring back dry humping. And I agree. We're losing sacred recipes, y'all. Can y'all make my commute much more enjoyable? So happy we can do that for you, Luna. Chrissy said this podcast, man. It's so real. I listen while I'm at work. Ooh, my stomach is growling so hard. Jesus Christ. That was crazy. I'm sorry, Chrissy. This podcast is so me. It's so real, man. I listen while I'm at work and be walking around and dying. Let me tell y'all something. This was the best decision ever. Keep going. Don't stop. Stay funny. Bright and Blessed my girls for life from one yapper to the next period. And then let me see Brianna French. I hope I'm saying that correctly. Brianna French. I feel like I'm listening to my cousins talk. Y'all two are so funny. I love you guys. And then C said, this podcast makes me miss college. For real. Exact conversations I've had with my college friends. Love Jameela's facial expressions. I've often said, like, I don't be looking what I see. I see Jamila's profile. So I'm. Or her. Was that whether you're the side of your face?

[A]

Mm.

[B]

So I don't get to see her facial expressions until I watch it back as well. And then sometimes when I'm looking down and speaking, I also am not noticing that she's reacting to me. It is very funny. And then Jodyn says, I've been waiting for this release. I was bored without y'all. OMG, girl.

[A]

Yeah. Okay, let's get into some of these YouTube comments.

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These are also from the Christmas episode, I believe.

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Okay. This is at Amari Sanchez, 5831. The way I'm screaming at my phone after hearing what Mecca's dad said at the funeral, he ain't right.

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He's. He's so sick.

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Just silly. Yada. 333. Jameela's funeral is something out of my nightmare. Please. This episode has me hollering, wow. This is just what we do. Because I'm always telling my cousin and sister to send me straight to the fire because I don't want nobody doing nothing strange to my body. Why are we like this?

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Black people really do be playing our funerals.

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Like, hey, gotta. You gotta have it, right?

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You gotta have them plans and order.

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At Raven Janice hanging from the ceiling like Paris in spring has me crying actual tears. At Tamika Johnson, 1874. Jamila wants a mission impossible funeral. Y'all get me so.

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Well.

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It's just, you know, it's so fun at Kiana D.

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She be in our inst on our Tik Tok comments a lot, too.

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Okay?

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Period.

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Hey, girl. The way I bust out laughing at Mecca dad saying he was relieved. I feel like we all have a relative like this for sure.

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Why would you say that?

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Nofficial J A. As a dude that works 2 to 11, this podcast is essential, especially since I cut off Charlamagne's pods. Y'all are hilarious. And keep a janitor entertained. Aw, yay. We love.

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First of all, we love the janitors. Thank you for what you do, period. Keeping the world clean. We need y'all.

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Exactly. Exactly. Glad you like it at des or des shanae. 1. My aunt passed on Friday. I'm sorry. And I'm still traumatized, so I thought it would be a bit too soon to listen, but this wasn't. Thank you for the needed thoughts or sorry, needed last system. Our condolences for sure. But I'm glad we could give you a little bit of, you know, uplifting and a little bit of laughter in that time of grief. Cause child, it be needed. I hate when people die, for sure. I really do. I be sad, child. I be down.

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Bad girl.

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Yeah.

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This is just a little tidbit. The day Jamila's grandma passed, we were at the club, right? And her sister texted me, we're at the address in Houston and we're turned up. Cause we went and did an interview and it was so fun and we were having such a good day. And so when Jaz texted me, like, out the mind you. I mean, I'm also drunk.

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Yeah.

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When Jaz was like, do not let Jamila go on her phone, I was like. And said what had happened and just was kind of like some. I think someone had posted something on Facebook or just something that was like, don't let her. Like, she can't find out right now. Like, the way we took phone, we were like, oh, we're all gonna put our phones in the purse and we're not on our phones for the rest of the night. And I was honestly surprised it worked. But I think it's. Cause we were already so drunk.

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I was like, I wanna text a boy. No, it didn't.

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The way he was like, can I text this boy back? And I was watching her, so I was like trying to make sure. I was like, oh, my God. Cause I'm gonna have to hit her phone. Because I was already knowing, oh, my God. If she learns this information in the club, this is gonna be insane. And mind you, you know, the Ubers to the club, it take a lot. That was just not information we could get at that moment. So definitely understand that, girl.

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Well, this has been such a great, lovely additional episode of Unhinged and Immoral. Thank you for tuning in. Thank you guys so much. We love you. Happy New Year. Let's get into the mess. We are going to be planning our live show, so please stay tuned. Be on our next. Be on our ass.

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Can you guys hear my stomach?

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We need to. No.

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Okay. I just feel like you guys are so loud. Okay.

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Thank you, Melissa.

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Oh, I. You did.

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Melissa said she heard it. I can't wait to go back and listen to that damn thing because God damn, I'm hungry.

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Ass bitch.

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Anyways, y'all, thank y'all so much for tuning in every week. We'll see y'all next time. Subscribe to the Patreon.

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Yes. Links in our bio.

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Love y'all. Bye. Unhinged and Immoral is hosted by Jamila Bell and Mecca.

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Produced by Melissa D? Mont and Diamond Imprint Productions.

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Post production by Coco Lawrence, production assistant.

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By Melanie D. Watson, music by Adi and Brooklyn Billionaires and graphics by Claudia Choi.