Jus10 is UNHINGED

Summary

Podcast Summary: Unhinged & Immoral

Episode: Jus10 is UNHINGED

Hosts: Jamila Bell & Mecca Evans
Guest: Just10 (Justin)
Date: December 17, 2025

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Main Theme / Purpose

This vibrant episode of Unhinged & Immoral welcomes Atlanta-based multi-hyphenate artist Jus10 (Justin) to the Unplugged series. Jamila and Mecca, both steeped in PR and pop culture, invite Jus10 to unpack their journey from theater kid to rapper, poet, ballroom commentator, and viral influencer. The conversation explores blending queer and Black cultures in hip-hop, surviving the coldness of entertainment industries, pop culture hot takes, and the beauty of chosen family. The episode bursts with joyful banter, candid truths, and closes out with a showstopping live performance from Jus10.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Serendipity, Alignment, & Homecoming ([01:04–02:29])

• The group reminisces about meeting “sh-tfaced” at Spell House Homecoming, a full year prior, and marvel at alignment: “Isn’t that crazy? Alignment.” (Jamila, [02:24])
• Justin shares their clarity from taking a break from drinking, especially as a performer often surrounded by alcohol: “I have to learn how to have discipline in my career sustainably.” ([02:54])

2. Astrology, Healing, and Shadow Work ([03:43–06:46])

• Lighthearted talk about signs: Justin’s a Virgo with an Aries moon, Mecca and Jamila also Aries placements. Justin waxes poetic on healing:

  “I’m always healing. I think I’m always growing and developing. What’s not growing is dead.” (Jus10, [05:58])

• They discuss shadow work and actualized vs. unactualized signs, with jokes about dating Virgo men.

3. The Artist’s Origin Story ([07:02–10:27])

• Jus10’s musical roots: Jamaican-Chicagoan family, house music, karaoke, and emo roots via Guitar Hero.
• Shares how queer identity and rap intersected: “I would gain respect from my peers through rap, even more than poetry.” ([08:24])
• Traces journey from DePaul University theater student to Atlanta’s “Poetry on Peter” open mics and the rapid birth of their first EP.

  “This year, I...locked in with my friend Claude, C Squared, and we really developed the EP within like a month and some change, just put it out. Since then...shit has just taken off.” ([10:05])

4. Acting Breakthrough: Fight Night ([10:33–14:45])

• Discussion of starring in Fight Night: The Million Dollar Heist alongside legends (Kevin Hart, Samuel L. Jackson, Taraji P. Henson).
• Justin recounts imposter syndrome, Kevin Hart’s mentorship, and “trusting that I was where I was supposed to be” ([12:05–13:12]).

  “Kevin told me, 'Don’t be afraid to ask for what you need. You belong here and do what you got to do.' After that, I really feel like I rested and sat in my greatness...” (Jus10, [13:13])

• Samuel L. Jackson’s legend status: “You could just be around them and the wisdom airdrop into your body.” (Jus10, [14:13])

5. Ballroom & Multi-hyphenate Identity ([15:08–19:15])

• Jus10’s social justice theater roots and the story of finding self and community through the ballroom scene:

  “People talk about coming out a lot, but they don’t talk about coming in… There’s coming out of the closet and then there’s coming into yourself.” (Jus10, [16:32])

• Hilarious and triumphant debut as ballroom commentator with a “dream” chant and instantly making finals.
• “I’m not the only commentator, but hopefully when I come in contact with more people, they can feel that divinity… That’s in ballroom too.” ([31:43])

6. Theater as Training Ground ([19:00–20:13])

• Panel agrees that theater builds fearlessness and self-awareness.
• Mecca’s “Precious Mama” monologue at Hampton University, followed by laughter.

7. Navigating the Industry: Rejection, Shady Business & Teams ([20:13–26:11])

• Rejection as fuel: “It really makes you not scared to say—like, that’s why I’m so okay with asking n— for money!” (Mecca, [20:25])
• Jus10 credits success to discipline, constantly learning, and having a team:

  “If people can finesse you, they will… But if I know I deserve the band and my team has the language to get me the band, we’re gonna get the band.” ([24:00])

• Industry coldness and the importance of knowing the rules, with anecdotes about family, NDAs, and learning-on-the-job.

8. Keke Palmer, Mainstream Recognition, and Ballroom x Hip-hop ([26:23–33:51])

• Jus10 lights up about collaborating with Keke Palmer: “She’s the multi-hyphenate queen.… She really respects queer people, queer artists, and ballroom.” ([27:10])
• Deep dive into ballroom’s historic role in hip-hop and queer erasure.

  “History demands justice...If you want liberation, you gotta get into the things that really happened, not just what the white patriarchal system wants you to think.” (Jus10, [28:50])

• Explores the elements: parallel “ballroom houses” and hip-hop “houses,” MCs, DJs, fashion as “graffiti,” the emotional core, and spiritual experience.

9. The Future of Hip-Hop & Ballroom ([32:11–35:20])

• Question: Will mainstream accept a queer rapper?

  “I don’t know if I’m meant to be mainstream...maybe that’s what’s special about it.” (Jus10, [32:24])

• Hopeful for more openness and recognition of queer influence, while embracing the power of “cult classic” intimacy.

10. Lighting Round: “CATEGORY IS: Jus10” Game ([35:24–41:18])

Fun, rapid-fire 10s or “Chop” verdicts on:

• Dating in Atlanta: “It’s a chop. No shade.” (Jus10, [36:07])
• Diana Ross or Stephanie Mills in The Wiz: “Unfortunately, I was introduced to The Wiz through Diana Ross...” ([36:33])
• Sugar in grits (“Yes. 10.”), threesomes (“10.”), morning sex (“10.”), chitlins (“Chop. I’m sorry.”), and dating apps (“Chop for me.”)
• Hilarious sidebar on dating tall men and family genetics.

11. Audience Acknowledgments & Closing Love ([41:29–42:12])

• Jus10 expresses authentic gratitude:

  “I’m so proud of y’all. I’m a fan of the show. Y’all are amazing.” (Jus10, [41:33])

• Jamila shares how Justin showed up at the last minute to save their recording.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “What’s not growing is dead.” (Jus10 on healing, [05:58])
• “You could just be around them and the wisdom airdrop into your body.” (Jus10 on Samuel L. Jackson, [14:13])
• “People talk about coming out a lot, but they don’t talk about coming in.” (Jus10, [16:32])
• “History demands justice. If you want liberation, you gotta get into the things that really happened.” (Jus10, [28:50])
• “I don’t know if I’m meant to be mainstream...but I feel like the girls that get it, get it.” (Jus10, [33:51])
• “If you can finesse you, they will.” (Jus10, [24:00])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 02:30 – Justin on clarity & discipline
• 05:58 – Healing journey
• 07:10 – Musical roots & first time at the mic
• 10:33 – Fight Night / acting stories
• 15:08 – Discovering ballroom & commentator debut
• 19:00 – Theater as life training
• 24:00 – Navigating shady business & having a team
• 27:10 – Working with Keke Palmer & importance of queer artistry
• 28:50 – Ballroom’s role in hip-hop history
• 32:24 – “Mainstream” vs. “cult classic” success
• 35:24 – CATEGORY IS: Lightning round
• 41:29 – Show love & authentic appreciation

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Show-Stopping Performance ([43:55–49:57])

Jus10 delivers a high-energy blend of poetry, rap, ballroom commentary, and signature wit. The performance flows with bravado and vulnerability, referencing identity, artistry, and ballroom:

“Can y’all clap for me? … Tell the story cause I wanna see you illustrate… If you can’t rap, get a burrito bowl, what’s left?”
"I’m your class president veteran. Who better. Damn. Papa peach on Father Balenciaga and Residence. 4.0 intelligence icon in development. This Justin. I’m president.”
(Jus10, [43:55–49:57])

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Closing & What’s Next ([42:17–43:07])

Jus10 teases new music and a self-written musical for 2026, potential movie appearance. Mecca and Jamila beam with pride and banter about Dreamgirls and legendary performances.

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Takeaways

• Jus10 embodies fearless creativity and cross-cultural artistry, invoking the radical histories of hip-hop and ballroom.
• Healing and self-knowledge aren’t just personal but a political act, especially for queer Black artists.
• Authenticity, community, and chosen family are at the heart of artistry and, as the Unhinged & Immoral hosts say, “the girls that get it, get it.”

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For more: Stream Jus10’s music, watch “Fight Night: The Million Dollar Heist” on Peacock, and stay tuned for upcoming projects in 2026!

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

Up on them right.

[D]

Welcome back to another episode of Unhinged, Immoral. I'm your host, Jameela, and I am Mecca. Today we have a special guest. You know, this is our Unplugged series where we invite a lovely musical guest. And you'll get a performance a little bit later. But today I want to introduce to you guys a poet, a man, an artiste. An artiste. Someone who is. Is really making the space for hip hop from Atlanta. Just 10 is in the building. Clap it up for Justin.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Oh, my gosh, I'm so excited to be here.

[D]

I'm so excited for you to be here.

[C]

And you guys might not know, in this episode, we have a live studio audience y' all hearing in the background.

[B]

Girls are in the building. Yes.

[D]

Exactly.

[C]

Welcome.

[B]

You know what's so crazy? Yes, I. Yes, absolutely. What's so crazy is last year I ran into y' all at Spell House Homecoming. You probably don't remember, we were walking by.

[D]

No, I do remember.

[C]

Hey. Hey.

[D]

I was a little tall, I was.

[C]

Shit faced, so I probably.

[B]

Oh, I was gone.

[C]

I was very.

[B]

Absolutely. But I remember y'. All. Cause how can you forget?

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

And now here we are, Homecoming week, a year later.

[D]

A year later.

[C]

Cause we was just talking about going to tomorrow. Yes. Homecoming.

[B]

Isn't that crazy? Alignment.

[D]

Alignment.

[C]

How are you feeling tonight?

[B]

How Am I feeling?

[D]

How are you feeling?

[B]

I feel good. I feel actually very clear. Good.

[C]

Cause you haven't been drinking.

[B]

I haven't been drinking. I'm not drinking the whole month of October until Halloween. Cause that's just like.

[C]

That's so fun. But we're drinking. I mean, we still a vibe.

[D]

Halloween is definitely a day to get started, but.

[B]

Okay, but listen, it's because I gets down, and especially, I won't lie. I'm in so many spaces, and there's just a drink everywhere.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

And so I have to learn how to, like, have discipline and like, girl, I go to a ball. It's a drink. I go to pop. It's a drink. I have a performance is a drink. I go to a mixer, it's a drink. So it's like, how do I operate and navigate in my career sustainably?

[C]

You do have to learn it. I have to say, as a drinker myself, when we started getting in certain spaces and you go to events, you're like, open bar.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Fucked up.

[D]

It gets real loose real quick. And I'm a lightweight. Especially after I had that baby. One drink me, and it gets flirty.

[B]

Wait, did you say after you had that baby?

[C]

After that baby?

[B]

What are you a mother? I am. Why did I not know that? Okay, earlier you said something.

[D]

I love having a child.

[B]

She alluded to having a child, and I said, ha. Like, oh, my God.

[D]

I thought I was just playing.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, I got kids, too. I got kids. She's a mom.

[C]

She's a mommy. Mamacita.

[B]

Oh, yes. Congratulations.

[C]

Shout out to Nickelandrea Loving versus Virginia High.

[B]

We love them. Wow. I learn new things every day.

[D]

Like, I'm like a real mother. Oh, my God. Been here for a while.

[B]

What's his time? Aries.

[C]

Aries. Oh, she missed my 24th birthday. My 25th birthday. Because she went into labor. I did. My birthday's the 8th. Wasn't no birthday. The 2nd. The 3rd. The 3rd. My bad.

[B]

Not my bad.

[D]

That day off, he was due on April 1. Do you want to know a gag?

[B]

Well, yes, I do.

[D]

The year before, I pranked everyone and said I was pregnant on April Fool's Day. I was the fool the next year.

[B]

Truly. It was meant to be.

[D]

Oh, okay.

[B]

Oh, my goodness.

[D]

I was manifesting.

[B]

That's a blessing, though. That is such a blessing. Bless him.

[C]

No, we love Noah. He. I was making a tik tok yesterday, and I literally was. He was banging them spoons in the background, like, papa bear.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

I said, that's what little Boys be doing. They really just be. And if you watch the videos, he's loud. He throwing things around Noah.

[D]

And, you know, conveniently, he's always the most loud when I'm on the phone. He be quiet up until I pick up that phone.

[B]

He said, me attention. Like, what are you doing?

[D]

People like, mommy, he's not looking at me.

[B]

I understand.

[D]

He's not looking at me. I need to say, hey, I think.

[B]

We'Re the same person. Like, I resonate with that.

[C]

As an Aries, I really do be feeling him a lot.

[B]

Are you an Aries, too?

[C]

I am.

[B]

I'm an Aries moon. Oh. So I really feel.

[C]

What is your main sign, though?

[B]

I'm a Virgo.

[C]

Yes. You did say that.

[B]

Yes. Virgo. Aries moon, Libra rising.

[C]

Virgo men, in dating terms, are not nothing.

[B]

No, that's true. Virgo men are romantically challenged. I really do believe it. And I think it takes. I think. Okay. I think there's an actualized and unactualized version of every sign. So, like, you can meet any sign and find something to love, and you can also meet any sign and find something to ha. Just depends on where they are in their healing journey and where they are. But, like, I cannot stand.

[C]

Let's clap that up. Shadow work.

[B]

I'm telling you. I'm telling you, like, y' all got to be fair. The girls be like, Geminis. Ain't no your ex was, cuz.

[D]

Why I get hit. Like, what did I do?

[B]

No, I just. I love Geminis. Okay.

[C]

Period.

[B]

I love Geminis.

[D]

You know, we're mutable signs.

[B]

Absolutely. And we're mercurial. You know, it's all about the information and the. Thank you.

[C]

Yes.

[D]

You know, so are you in your healing journey or what?

[B]

I'm always healing. I think. I'm always growing and developing. What's not growing is dead. So, like, he's a poet, y'.

[C]

All.

[D]

He's a poet.

[C]

That was so deep.

[B]

But I do, like. I think I feel like that's something that, like, Virgos. Like, I'm obsessed with evolving. I really am obsessed with just, like, growing and evolving. So I would. I give myself a pat on the back, for I easily hold myself accountable. I almost overly question myself and overly am, like, how can I grow from this? How did, like, did I do something wrong in this interaction? Almost to the point where it's like, I'm having to tell myself now. No, you actually didn't. You.

[C]

You was right. You should have custody.

[B]

Absolutely. Because I'm all. I'm Overly considerate of others and how I make others feel. So, yeah, I am on my healing journey. I'm.

[C]

I think we live.

[B]

We've been through some things, but, you know, we persist. Haven't we all?

[D]

Let's get into some of that because.

[C]

You know, we go on banter. We have actual questions.

[B]

Yes.

[D]

You know, we can talk for days, Chad, but we know we got to get you on the flight because you're booked and busy.

[B]

Booked and busy. About to get on the flight after that.

[D]

We about to talk about this.

[B]

Okay, word.

[D]

So I want to talk about how you got into music. I know you do poetry as well, but what was that journey like for you getting into that microphone?

[B]

Absolutely. So my grandfather, my. My family on my mom's side is Jamaican. Both my parents from south side of Chicago. So they're both house. Oh, come on.

[D]

Chicago.

[B]

Yeah. So they're both house heads. My mom is really househead, and her father was a DJ in Jamaica. So I just was growing up, always there was music always in the house. And this is gonna sound so funny, but, like, I think my, like, first memory of picking up a mic was like Guitar Hero and me. Like, yes, Misery Business and me, we were shout out to Haley. Hello. You know, I definitely was an emo.

[C]

Kid, so that was mine.

[B]

Absolutely. And then through Guitar Hero, I was, like, exposed to so much more music, and, like, that's when I got started getting obsessed with Michael Jackson. I know that's your.

[C]

Don't say that. Y' all know she like Michael.

[B]

Listen, I used to go to this spot in Fairburn called La Fiesta, and it used to be karaoke, and I would do Michael every weekend.

[D]

What was your Michael song?

[B]

All of them, but it just depended. Do you want me to give you ballet? I'm gonna make change.

[D]

Come on now. Cause don't make me cry. He was.

[B]

You know what? I was an innovator. There are tiles on the floor and Billie Jean, I said, boom, boom.

[D]

Give it to the video.

[C]

Boom.

[B]

In the old people in the room, they didn't think I knew because I was so young. I know. I'm a student, bitch.

[C]

Period. Exactly.

[B]

So that was my first time grabbing a mic. And then through college, I just started to rap and, like, perform. And I will say that, like, as someone who grew up queer, I often found that I would gain the respect of, like, my peers and people around me through rap. So, like, that, like, I could do poetry, and it was vulnerable and people connected to it, but rap was the thing that I felt like I Was accepted in. It's like a sad but, like, very true truth.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And so I just started gravitating toward that around college. Started doing open mic nights in Chicago because I went to the theater School of DePaul for Acting and flex a.

[C]

Little bit on it.

[B]

Yes. You know what I'm saying? And, yes, I have a bachelor's in fine arts.

[C]

Since you got your degree.

[B]

Since you got your degree. And I do, in fact, know everything. I just want to let that be clear.

[C]

They already done called us elitist. Stop.

[B]

I know. No, I really don't. But. But yeah. And then I moved. When I moved to Atlanta, back to Atlanta during COVID I was just looking for a space to, like, experiment and explore because acting was my main bag. I just needed something to do for fun that I wasn't monetizing. It was just like, that's important for fun. And so that's when I found poetry on Peter.

[C]

Shout out to Pop.

[B]

Shout out to poetry on Peter and the Crew.

[C]

The crew. The crew.

[D]

That's pop.

[C]

That's pop.

[B]

Absolutely. And then, like, just the embrace that I felt from the community from just coming and trying stuff that I had in, like, a bunch of my journals. Like, I was like, I have this piece. Let's see what happens. And people just started to love it. And so this year, I decided, you know what? I was dropping TikToks and stuff, and people were like, where's the EP? So I. I locked in with my friend Claude. C squared, period.

[C]

And C squared. We.

[B]

Yes. And we really developed the EP within, like, a month and some change, and just put it out. And since then, I don't know, shit has just taken off. I've been on tour with Duran Bernard. I got on stage with Keke Palmer. Ra.

[D]

You gonna take all our questions or what?

[B]

I'm sorry.

[C]

I was gonna say. Cause we did our research, we was gonna ask you about all this.

[B]

Yes, absolutely.

[D]

But, yes, you were on that tour.

[B]

And on that stage. So. Yeah. Yeah.

[D]

So you're just having a good time?

[B]

I'm having an amazing time. I'm just having fun.

[C]

Speaking of all your accolades, let's bring one up. You were in Fight Night.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

With a whole bunch of heavy hitters.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[C]

You had Kevin Hart. You had Samuel L. Jackson, Taraji P. Henson. Don Cheadle. That's an actor.

[B]

Hello. Thespian. Thespian. What did y' all say?

[C]

We need to get back to the theater. Okay. How was that experience like, working with. I feel like, as black people? Okay. It Looks like all black people in the audience here, though.

[D]

But just to be.

[C]

I'm fighting allegations. Just so y' all know. They said I'm not black, so I'm just gonna say not me, though. Anyway, Guys, I swear, it's just a Punnett Square situation. Both my parents are black. My cousin is in the audience.

[B]

She's in the final. I haven't heard Punnett Squ.

[C]

Let's take it back to the science. Being on stage with all. I mean, all those heavy hitters. Were you nervous? How did you even handle that situation?

[B]

Absolutely, like, okay, I don't. I don't think a lot of people know how much actors really audition. Like, I audition so much, and I hear no. So much. So when that audition came across, I didn't even. I wasn't even checking for the producers or who was in it. I was just like. It was one of them things, like, let's. Okay, let's. Let's do it. Let's have fun. And so when I booked it, I showed up and I looked at, like, who was in it. And I remember the casting director coming up to me, like, yeah, you gonna go rehearse with Chloe? And I was like, okay, cool. And it ended up being Chloe Bailey.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, who?

[C]

It wasn't Kardashian.

[B]

I said, who's in this? And. Because unfortunately, like, that's not me not knowing what I'm doing, but, like, when you're in film and tv, it just.

[C]

It's bad.

[B]

Here's the script today. So I said, okay. And then when I found out Kevin Hart and Sam Jackson were all. And I said, oh, wow. And I. But I appreciated that because it's almost like I didn't have time to have imposter syndrome because it was like, action. And honestly, I had to trust that through all my experiments and just through God, that, like, I was where I was supposed to be. Did I feel ready? No, but I feel like being ready is just like a culmination of, like, not being ready and doing it anyway. That's what makes you ready. So I definitely was nervous, but Kevin was an amazing number one. Like, my first day on set, I remember the director was like, okay, Justin, so you're going to do this, do this, that, and. And because, you know, I come from the theater and I want to be perfect, I was like, yes, okay. But I didn't know what the fuck he was talking about. And Kevin saw that, and Kevin was like, hey, man, can he. Can he run it? Can. Can Justin run it? And he's like, oh, of course. Can you? He was like, yeah. He was like, let him run it. Let him run it. And I was like, oh, my gosh. And Kevin told me, don't be afraid to ask for what you need. You belong here and do what you got to do. And after that, I really feel like I rested and sat in my greatness, and it carried me through, so I'm so grateful. People should watch Fight Night, the Million Dollar Heist. It's on Peacock. It's on Peacock. It's so good.

[D]

So good. It's so good.

[C]

I started. I ain't finished. I'll be honest. But that's real.

[B]

That's real. Yeah.

[C]

So many shows nowadays, hearing when actors, and especially black actors and actresses are like that. Like, how in that moment, Kevin kind of advocated for you and bringing you up, you know, I feel like we hear so many stories of folks not doing that. So when people can get on and be like, no, this person helped, I'm like, thank God.

[B]

Yeah, absolutely. No, they were. Everybody was amazing.

[D]

Like, I just know that was a fun set.

[C]

Did Samuel L. Jackson really say motherfucker every three words?

[B]

No, he was chilling. Like, Sam was chilling. You could tell. He's such a pro. He's such a vet. He was one of those ones who, like. I think the sign of, like, a legend or an icon or just, like a great artist is they don't have to teach you anything. You could just be around them and the wisdom airdrop into your body. Oh, yeah. So, like, being around Sam, just watching him do the thing, you were, like.

[D]

Got it soaking it in.

[B]

Just. Yeah. Just being a student. Yes. And he was so grounded and just, like, responsive. Like, he's really an actor's actor. Like, he is present and free.

[C]

I love that.

[B]

Making up lines and everything. I said, okay, I'm gonna improvise.

[C]

We love that.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Doing what he was paid to do.

[B]

Absolutely.

[D]

And, you know, he's been in so many goddamn movies. I think he's, like, one of the people where they say, like, he's been in the most movies more than, like, any other actor.

[B]

Damn near, really.

[C]

We in Atlanta, you know he got expelled from Morehouse.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

For holding, what was it? Martin Luther King's daddy hostage with the Panthers.

[B]

An icon.

[C]

I can. Legend.

[B]

Love it.

[D]

You know, you definitely don't put yourself in a box, though. You're doing all the things. I mean, a rapper, poet, performer, and in ballroom commentating, which is.

[C]

Hello?

[B]

What? What?

[D]

What? Which is very hard to do.

[B]

Yes, it is.

[D]

How do you Navigate all of these things. And you're an influencer.

[B]

Yeah, absolutely. Oh, thank you. Am I?

[C]

You are.

[B]

Okay, I'll take it. Yeah, I think. Okay. So growing up, I was just a theater kid. Like, I always was in rehearsal. Like, I grew up acting at Southwest Arts center, and I started in social justice theater. So the way I started was, like, when Trayvon Martin passed, I remember I was like, 13, and I just had so much anxiety and anger. And it was the first I've learned about racism. But that was the first time I really felt like it was just. It hit. You know what I'm saying? And so my mom put me into, like, a performing arts camp. And it's not like we were just doing plays. We were building the show around, like, what we were experiencing. And so I was never just acting. I was always acting, singing, dancing, rapping, and doing poetry because they were just all tools to tell the story. So that's how I see it. It's like I just see it as tools. And I'm really just a curious person. Like, and I love art, and I love to experiment with different things. Anytime I do something, I never expect that it's gonna, like, pop the way it does. But I do try my best to excel at it and be great and do it at a great level. And so even ballroom. I came out the closet in college. And, you know, people talk about coming out a lot, but they don't talk about coming in. Like, there's a coming out of the closet and then there's coming into yourself. Like, it's trying to figure out what kind of gay you're going to be, what kind of spaces you're going to be in. And I just knew I wanted to be in a black gay space.

[C]

Hello.

[B]

I didn't want to be in a white gay space. That was just me. And so when I found ballroom, I went to New York, and my friend Omi, we linked up for dinner, her in law. And she was just, like, talking about, you know, this is cunt, no shade, like. And they was voguing down the street, and I was like, what's going on? Oh, my God. It's fun, you know? And so I went home and I did my research and I went to my first ball here in the West End, and my mother took me. Her name's Cam Balenciaga. She dances backgrounds for Taylor Swift. Fab Girl, period. She took me, and I was just watching a ball, kind of like, meek, like, okay, I don't know if I'm gonna walk. And the Commentator category came up, and they were like, okay, to get your tens, you just gotta include the word dream. And so the girls are going up there like, dream, dream, the constant dream. You always have a dream. And to me, I'm like, why is nobody thinking what I'm thinking? Girl, I grabbed that mic. I said, close your eyes, shut your mouth, or my dip will take you out, bitch. Dream, dream, dream, dream, dream, dream.

[C]

Come on.

[B]

So beware, Throw that pussy in the air. And they got up and everybody was like, the girl. They was just voguing down. And so from that point. And I made it to last battle that night. And so then that's when I said, okay, okay, maybe I could do something here. And so I became a Juicy. Now I'm an unbothered Cartier. I've been borrowing my three and a half years. And, yeah, we. We're doing it.

[D]

And you've been going viral Boots, which.

[B]

Is a gag to me because there's so many commentators and Boems been around for so long. So I don't. I don't know. People just. People lay out.

[C]

I think it speaks to you, though, like, because that's the one thing. Everybody could be doing something. But you bring your own spin.

[B]

Absolutely.

[C]

Just 10.

[B]

Absolutely. And I think with the theater background, it's just like the perfect, like, potion for.

[C]

I mean, the theater always helps. I don't, you know, as a theater kid, that little knowledge that always helps.

[B]

A little zip, zap, zomb.

[C]

A little.

[B]

A little zip, zap, zap.

[D]

Debbie Reynolds Tea.

[C]

Sometimes you just have to.

[D]

Like I said about Doja Cat, she recently had a something.

[C]

Some performance.

[D]

You know, she's always doing something. I'm like, one thing about it.

[B]

Oh, Saturday Night Live.

[C]

Yes.

[D]

Put them babies in theater. It's just such a well rounded, like, attribute to yourself. Like, you learn so much in theater, not even just about the arts, but you just really learn so much about yourself. I think it kind of, like, strips you down to your rawest form.

[B]

Absolutely.

[D]

And you're like, who am I?

[B]

Oh.

[D]

And then you just really, like, live it, and it's like you have no fear. Like, I feel like going through theater has made me so much more fearless about chasing after things. Cause it's like, baby, I was on that stage reciting Precious. Real story.

[C]

Can you do it right now, please?

[B]

Yes, please.

[D]

When I was at Hampton, y', all, the assignment was to. The assignment was to pick a monologue. I said, I'm gonna be Precious Mama. I was like, precious, get your mama. Why I chose that. I don't know. I just felt like it was such a good monologue. And I said. And I shut my fat ass up. Mind you, I was all of 98 pounds freshman year, but I said, shut my fat ass up.

[B]

But you dropped in.

[D]

You know, I dropped in and I got into character.

[B]

Transformative.

[D]

I don't remember the point of that, but yes. Recite your verse.

[C]

We're talking about how theater strips you down. And also to your point about being so used to getting told no. I think when you have to be in a situation where you're going on auditions, that's people's biggest fear is, like, rejection.

[B]

No, absolutely.

[C]

It really makes you not scared to say, like, that's why I'm so okay with asking niggas for money, because I.

[D]

Don'T mind getting told. Now, hold on.

[B]

Wait.

[D]

Now, hold on.

[B]

We're not there yet.

[D]

We're pause.

[C]

We're not there yet.

[B]

I got to get there.

[D]

How did we make that correlation?

[C]

Well, because some niggas say, no, that's real. That's real, baby, I ain't in your pocket. You got to be financially, how?

[D]

You ask a nigga for money? What's your way?

[B]

Yeah, no shave.

[C]

I'm gonna do my Jill Scott on the mic.

[B]

You be sending voice memos, baby.

[C]

Hey, baby, I just was gonna go get my nails done, right? It's like 150. That's not even a lot. It's just a little fill.

[B]

And what he be saying? He be like, oh, do you know?

[C]

You know, you know the ones I like, send the apple pay right away.

[B]

Right away, right away. How much of that?

[D]

So the ones you don't like, what's, you know, you know, bitch, you know.

[B]

150.

[D]

What happened to the $15 fill ins? You don't have a job.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[C]

Listen, I have a job.

[B]

I do this sometimes, and that's the gag. People are like, what do you do? I'm like, everything. I'm figuring it out. Like, I'm every woman, truly. It's all in me.

[C]

Mm.

[D]

Well, well, no shade for the niggas.

[C]

Who send the money, though, not for the ones who don't.

[B]

Okay?

[C]

So, yeah, okay, so next question. Because we, you know, we doing our thing. We all know that this industry is not a walk in the park, right? And what I want to ask is, when you run into performers who aren't as nice to you, how do you handle that? Especially as wanting the reputation to be, like, professional, but, you know, folks be trying.

[B]

I haven't it's so sad because I haven't met people who aren't nice.

[C]

Ah, great for you.

[B]

I've met, but not yet. Or in terms of artists, like. Or artists I admire, like, if you're.

[C]

Not an artist, I don't have to be big. I just. Something that I'm noticing as I slide in is that not everyone kind of moves how we move.

[B]

It's true.

[C]

And you do have to get used to kind of. You might walk into a room and folks give you an energy, and it's like, oh, I just got here.

[B]

Oh, absolutely.

[C]

Oh, now that I'm not talking about, like, oh, I love them. They was mean to me. I'm just talking about a general.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Okay. Well. Yes. Well, that's every day. Like, I think you're. When you're confident, you're bold, and you're someone who just is a new. Like. Like to people, like, your lingo is new. The way you navigate the world is new. You're going to make people uncomfortable, and sometimes they're not even conscious of how you're making them uncomfortable, and they don't even understand how they are making you feel.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

So it's like, I hate it, but I just. I have to charge it to the game and be like, they. They're still figuring it out. They are still figuring out, but it's very. Especially with the men. I'm like, oh, the men? Yeah. Like, you're. You're. You're still working some things out, and that's okay. Like, that is okay. I have nothing to do with that. I'm sorry I rap better than you. I'm sorry I dress better than you. I'm sorry that I'm comfortable in my sk Skin and my sexuality. Like, it's. But, like, you're finding it, and you'll find it.

[C]

Boo.

[B]

You will find it. So when I navigate me, people, it's just like, damn, I just feel bad for them. But what I. What I feel like I come into contact with more people who just do shady business. I'm starting to feel like the industry is just like, you know, people like, oh, this industry is cold. Like, it's true.

[C]

Like, shivers.

[B]

And I think the way I'm starting to process it is I just have to be educated about the space I'm in. Because if people can finesse you, they will. And it really might have nothing to do with, like, how they feel about you. It's just kind of the nature of the business. Like, if they can save a band, they're gonna Save the band. But if I know I deserve the band and I know the language and my team has the language to get me the band. We're gonna get the band. But a lot of times people tell me one thing, then tell my team another. Those. They'll be like, oh, my gosh, I guess we're gonna give you, like, $100,000 to do. And I'm like, yes, awesome. Tap in with my team. They'll handle the logistics. And then it's like, we can't. We don't have a fee for Destiny.

[D]

It's not in a budget.

[B]

And if I didn't have a team, I would have found that out just myself. And it would have been like, well, it just is what it is.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

You know what I'm saying? So I'm starting to find that more. And that's unfortunate, because it makes me feel like certain artists and certain people don't fuck with me. But it's just kind of like the machine of it.

[C]

And then also getting into the point of, like, you realize folks, artists, or, sorry, folks, managers, be so separate from them.

[B]

Absolutely.

[C]

Like, you. You'll be thinking, like, oh, girl, you didn't. With me. And, yeah, the manager.

[B]

No. Yeah. I've had experience. I've had experiences where I've gone to the artists. Like, why isn't this happening? Why am I not being, like, compensated or, like, respected? Why is my name not popping up of things? And the artist is like, they ain't.

[D]

Got nothing to do with me.

[B]

Yeah, it's not me. It's really my team. And it's like, damn. Like. And when I didn't have a team, it was much harder.

[D]

It's a weird industry because it's like.

[C]

There'S kind of no rules.

[D]

But then at the same time, there's a lot of rules that you don't know. And then you like, oh, I didn't know that was a thing. I mean, I'm just. I'm just. I'm just a baby. I'm just new here.

[B]

When I tell you I be getting cussed out, my team be like, cool.

[C]

Oh, by your team?

[B]

Yeah. But in the best way. We're cool. But they're like, Justin, I'm like. I'm learning. It's trial by fire. Like, this is my first time here. It's my third day out here.

[C]

Literally. I just got here. I'm learning the whole team thing, too, especially, like, with family. And that's the funniest part. My family's kind of. Y' all know, y' All a little ranching, they say. I was with them this weekend.

[B]

Don't bring that shit over here. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

I was like, would you sign an NDA?

[D]

No, I wouldn't.

[B]

Shoot who?

[C]

You know, the thing is, I would have my family sign an NDA knowing that they're gonna do what they wanna do anyway. I'm more like the principal. Would you just do it, you know?

[B]

Yeah, absolutely.

[D]

Just to check the temperature, please. Just to see where y' all are at. Don't answer the following Ms. Keke Palmer, your Virgo sister. That's Tee Boo.

[B]

That's Teaboo.

[D]

Now that's Tee Loo.

[B]

Now that's Tee Boo.

[D]

How did you feel when you got that?

[B]

I like people. Like, my friends know I adore Keeks. Like, Keeks.

[C]

True.

[D]

You know, you are the key babes.

[B]

You know, Keeks. Me and Keeks. No, truly. But like, even when I didn't know Keeks, I was calling her Keith, period. Because she just always felt like a cousin, you know?

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, I, you know, she's a Virgo. My August Virgo sister. When she acknowledged me, when she started to, like, comment on my Instagram and stuff, I was so gagged. Because she's like the multi hyphenate queen.

[D]

Yes.

[B]

And like, I. That's all I want. Like, I want to be a successful multi hyphenate artist and impactful and. And just like, funny.

[C]

And she's just.

[B]

I don't. I could talk forever about her, but when she wanted me to get on that's Tibu or do that's Tibu remix, of course I was like, immediately.

[D]

Well, yes, yes.

[B]

But I didn't know that when I did it it was going to lead to, like, me performing with her. But I think Kiki is amazing because she really respects queer people, queer artists and ballroom. And I think what she admired most was just like, the education that I was bringing about ballroom and like, the parallels between hip hop and ballroom and how queer people have been erased from hip hop. I think she's always. She loves being on the cutting edge of things. She loves history and she just resonated with that. And she was like, I want you to come performing with me. And of course I was like, yes, I'm gonna do it. And she's a mother and doing all of these things. It's inspiring.

[D]

Like, yeah.

[B]

And who she is on the screen is exactly who she is in person.

[D]

Like, yeah, I love. And it honestly has always read like that, you know, obviously, she's been in the game forever, since she was a little kid. And honestly, like what she gives off and I've never heard anybody say anything different than what she said. So it's like that, you know, makes all the difference. But I want to touch on something you specifically just said about the correlation of hip hop and queer culture, especially considering you're in ballroom.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

And I think there is a bit of erasure with queer folks in hip hop. I mean, we can count on our fingers, you know, one hand, how many queer artists in hip hop we know off the top of our head. And so I'm loving that you're just being right at the forefront. Let's, let's get into that.

[B]

Absolutely. I think people just again, have to be fair to me. History demands justice. So if we want justice and we want liberation, you gotta get into the history. You gotta get into things that really happen and not just things that the white patriarchal system wants you to think. So when you think about the conception of hip hop, how it started in the Bronx in New York, like queer people were in those spaces, right? Like, it wasn't just straight people break dancing. It wasn't just straight people, McN. It wasn't just straight people DJing. Like, that is just not what it was. It's not realistic. And if you, if you look at ballroom and hip hop, you can literally see the parallels from in, in hip hop there were what, houses, like there are breaking houses and, or factions, whatever. They wanted to call them the, the bombadas, Zulu, you know what I'm saying?

[C]

I thought she was trying to say gangs, but you know.

[B]

Right, well, that too. Well, that's, you know what I'm saying. Now in borough it's the Balenciagas, the Muglers, the long Vins. And if you, even, if you want to look at Africa, bambada is like five pillars of hip hop. He says there are five elements of hip hop, DJing, break dancing, MCN, graffiti and knowledge. Balls. You need DJs at balls, you have MCs or commentators. If anything, they're keeping the art form pure. I said the hip too, the hip and the hop. And when I vogue, vogue down. You can't, can't stop. I want to vogue, vogue down until 3:00 in the morning, get the girls up. You know, if you, if you hear that now in the mainstream space, I'll be like, what the hell is this? Old whippity rap. But in ballroom, that's fab.

[C]

Anywho, Very Sugar Hill Gang.

[B]

Absolutely. Graffiti I would say, like, in ballroom, that's effects like fashion and the way that, like, we express ourselves through art and visual fashion. And then where he says knowledge is an element, I would say emotion is an element. In ballroom, it's all about the feeling.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, do you feel it? Like Leomi, it's the feeling like, bitch, it's the feeling like it drives everything. I've definitely missed one because I'm just gapping. But, yeah, I think it's important for me to be in this space as somebody with privilege. You know, there are so many, like, gay men and trans women before me who has stories just as important as mine, just as revolutionary as mine, who were just had different circumstances and wasn't able to get to this point of visibility. So if I'm visible, I feel like it's my duty and my responsibility to move the needle by, like, shining light on this community. So I also want people to know I'm not the only commentator in the world. I'm not the only vulgar in the world. Like, there are other people, but hopefully when I come in contact with more people, they can see that, like, that, like, divinity that they see in hip hop. When people are rapping and they feel like they experience whatever. They experience God or whatever it is that's in ballroom too. Because I think a lot of people try and separate the two that I. Queer people in God.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

God don't, like, quit, but it's like, if you go to a ball, you'll see God.

[D]

I like that you said that. Because I always feel like music is very spiritual.

[B]

Yes. In.

[D]

In any facet. Like, it doesn't really matter. Right? It doesn't really matter.

[C]

The genre, feel it at church.

[B]

Yes. The clapping, the mood. Like, it's like, to me, it's just so evident. When I came across it, I was like, has no one said this? No one's talking about this.

[D]

So, yeah, no one's talking about this.

[C]

I mean, that kind of leads us into a next question you kind of answered. You can't answer half of it, but we want the second half that I want to ask you is, so where do you see hip hop going the next five to 10 years as, like, a queer artist or where do you want ideally it to land?

[B]

I. I'm actually still trying to figure that out now. I, like, asked God the other day, I was like, what are you trying to develop in me? You know, Because I think some people ask, do you think mainstream is ready to accept a queer rapper? And the. The truth is, I don't know if I'm meant to be mainstream, you know what I'm saying? And maybe that's what's special about it, you know what I'm saying? But I just. I don't know if y' all seen, but Infinite Coles, the girl from Wu Tang, Son.

[D]

Yes.

[B]

Ghostface Killer, Son, just did a song I love. Infinite.

[D]

Sweet Face Killer.

[B]

Yes, Sweet Face Killer. I think hip hop, the people who invented hip hop, were never meant to have a mic anyway, were never meant to have a voice. So I think as a queer artist, like, if people don't feel that I should be a rapper or should be in this space because I'm gay or whatever, I feel like that's exactly why I should be. And there's so many others where that's the truth, too. I don't know if y' all got into Infinite Coles Sweet Face Killa. Her new song, dad and I is fab, like. And I think people are starting to realize, wait, I seen a TikTok the other day said ballroom might be the saving grace of hip hop. And I really think it could be, you know, but all the time, I don't know if we're meant to be mainstream. Like, I don't put that pressure on myself to, like, hit these large numbers, because I just feel like the girls that get it, get it.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And I mean, my favorite music is underground music, is music that's not so much in the mainstream. So I would. But I would hope that in the future, hip hop opens their arms to artists like me and other queer artists instead of just, like, taking the craft, taking the aesthetics, and putting it on straight men or even CIS women, you.

[C]

Know what I'm saying?

[B]

Because there are a lot of trans women and queer people who innovate things in music, and they just get taken.

[C]

The aesthetics of it all.

[D]

I'm glad you said that. We actually kind of touched on that a little bit when we had Zay France. I talked about kind of how R and B is a very sacred genre, and I never thought that it was supposed to be mainstream. And I don't really feel like R and B needs to hit those mainstream numbers to be validated. And I feel the same way for ballroom and even for hip hop. Like, even when hip hop goes mainstream, we all know our favorite hip hop songs are not the most mainstream songs. We already know that's how it goes in general. So it's like, yeah, sometimes the things that you hold so near and dear to you is, like, it may not be for Everybody. And that's okay, too. And that doesn't mean it's not something successful, right?

[B]

Absolutely. And it feels more intimate. Like, we love a cult classic, right? You know, it's like you feel more seen when you know, it's not a lot of people who are into a thing, but you hear you into that, right? Oh, my God. Yeah. You speak in my language. It's a special thing that I'm, like, holding close. And, like, that's my definition of success is like, if you get it, you get it. If you see me and you enjoy, perfect. Like, I'm doing what I need to do then.

[C]

Period.

[D]

Well, we gonna transition into our new game that we made just for you.

[B]

I love games.

[D]

It's called category is just 10.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

So they're gonna give it a 10 or chop, and it's just gonna name off a couple things.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

All you gotta do is say 10 or chopped.

[B]

Oh, I love being on the panel.

[C]

A little bit of answer about why you're making it 10 or chopped. But, you know. Yeah.

[B]

Okay. Okay, okay, okay.

[C]

Dating in Atlanta.

[B]

Chop, chop. I am dating in Atlanta. I'm happy with what I'm in, but.

[D]

Ooh.

[C]

Did you meet him in Atlanta?

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Okay, so it would be a 10. No. Yes.

[B]

Yes, audience.

[C]

But, like, if I heard a chopped in the crowd.

[B]

It's a chop. No shade. It is a chop. It is a chop. I have been fortunate.

[D]

You're blessed.

[B]

I am blessed. But I get it's a chop out here. So.

[D]

Audience. Daddy in Atlanta, 10 or chopped?

[B]

Chopped.

[C]

Chopped. It's a job.

[B]

It is a job.

[C]

This is a theater question.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Diana Ross over Stephanie Mills and the Wiss. We had to get deep. You know, we theater kids, we had to get deep.

[B]

Okay. Unfortunately, I was introduced to the Wiz through Diana Ross. So I'm gonna go Diana. But later on, I appreciate. I love Stephanie Mills and I love the original recording of the Wiz.

[D]

And you're just my kind of guy.

[C]

And Dorothy was 13. She wasn't 33.

[B]

I understand.

[C]

We get it.

[D]

However, when you're Dayana and you can just pretend.

[C]

We're gonna pretend she was 16 years old.

[B]

I get it. I get it.

[C]

We know.

[B]

Oh, that's a good question, though.

[C]

Sugar on grits.

[B]

Yes. 10.

[C]

10. Audience. Chopped. Chop.

[B]

Okay. And y' all all. And girl. And y' all late girl. I'm from Atlanta.

[D]

What part of Atlanta are you from?

[C]

Is that limited? We don't do that in California.

[B]

That was my. Also my first time having grits when.

[D]

I was in like shit ass grits.

[B]

When I was in Pre K, the daycare that I was at, they always just put sugar and grits.

[C]

That's so fun.

[B]

You said that's old, man. That's cream of wheat. Cream of wheat.

[C]

I love cream of wheat. Quinoa.

[B]

Cream of wheat.

[D]

Moi?

[C]

No, that's. I was gonna say that's what the Haitians do. They mix up the oatmeal porridge. Now I like.

[B]

Come on, Zoe.

[D]

Come on, Haiti.

[B]

I like that.

[D]

You like that.

[C]

My homegirl was in the exact.

[D]

I like that.

[B]

I like that.

[C]

Okay, threesomes.

[B]

10. My man gonna be.

[D]

Have to deal with that.

[C]

Okay. Morning sex.

[B]

10.

[D]

10. Oh, with the breath.

[B]

Huh? With the breath. No, you got to get up and brush your teeth and then come back. Wait, cuz no shade. If I'm.

[C]

I'm put my face and pull.

[B]

And I'm so little. I'm so little. When I beat a big spoon of you. O. Yes, exactly.

[D]

Ten.

[B]

Absolutely.

[C]

Before breakfast. We got like three more.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Chitlins.

[B]

Chop. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

[C]

That's a Jamaican.

[B]

My grandma used to make them and grow the house stink the whole day. They're cleaning them and it's too much.

[D]

Yeah, it's too much. I don't do no shit.

[C]

I don't.

[B]

We have like. We're free.

[D]

Hello. Shackle's broken.

[B]

I'm joking, y'. All.

[C]

I'm joking.

[B]

I'm joking.

[D]

You're problematic. Cause you hate chitlins.

[B]

No, it's okay. Eat your chitlins. Shit.

[C]

It's okay. Second toes.

[B]

What'd you say?

[C]

Second toes.

[B]

I thought you said second toes. I said.

[C]

Oh.

[B]

I mean, I won't be ableist second time. Yeah, 10.

[C]

Sure, 10. And then last one. Dating apps.

[B]

Top for me. Top for me.

[D]

This is me answering the question.

[B]

Top. I don't know, I just. I never found. No, I don't like it, period. You know what's so funny though?

[C]

What?

[B]

I was on a dating app and my man, I see him on a dating app years ago, and we matched, but we never spoke. But then when we met in ballroom.

[C]

Then it was like, that's so fun.

[D]

I love a story. You know, it was one day years ago we saw.

[B]

Do you remember when we matched on Tinder and said nothing to you?

[C]

I was a Tinderella back in the day.

[B]

You was a.

[C]

A Tinderella.

[B]

I know. That's right.

[C]

When I was down bad after my really, really bad breakup. Oh. Broke my heart so bad. I had convinced my brother to do it with me for two months. We paid for hinge. It was $20.

[B]

Ooh, not hinge. Premium. Everything's plus.

[D]

I didn't say that. I gag. I keep forgetting you did that. Paying for a damn ass.

[C]

Because I was like. I was. You know how you running past people to, like, test the waters? And he's like, why would you do that? I said, you spent $20 on stupider.

[B]

That's real with me. That's real.

[C]

Yeah. They got $20 out of me. That's okay.

[B]

Was it worth.

[C]

Was worth it. Clearly not.

[B]

Clearly.

[C]

No, it was worth it. Cause you could put the settings. You could like. I didn't want nobody under six feet, and you can't do that.

[B]

Oh, now, wait.

[C]

Well, no, no.

[B]

Still, still, still. Are you still this way?

[C]

I like a tall man.

[B]

You know what? There's nothing wrong with that.

[C]

I, like, My parents are Smurfs. I have to, like, advance the bloodline. My daddy is five six.

[B]

Advance.

[C]

Is that too eugenics?

[B]

No, you're right. Right.

[C]

My mom. But no, literally, my mom is, like, five. My dad is five six.

[B]

Got it.

[C]

Everyone is little.

[D]

My son ain't got no damn chance. And it's okay. He gonna be that 5 5.

[B]

He gonna be short.

[C]

Yes.

[D]

And look, he's short now.

[B]

Great things come in small packages.

[C]

Hello.

[D]

You know, anything over five' five is tall to me. So I be cool.

[C]

Listen.

[B]

And they will gag you.

[C]

I will say, I dated a boy who was six' eight, and that was stupid. I will leave the boys six' four and up to the tall ladies.

[D]

I was dumb. Well, I didn't say that.

[C]

No, wait. He was six' eight. He was six eight.

[B]

Oh, wow.

[D]

I won't leave nothing.

[C]

The point where I was like, this is stupid. He held the door open for me, and I literally walked under his arm. I said, this is darling.

[D]

Yes.

[B]

You just felt goofy.

[C]

It just felt goofy. And then when we was in little business, it was too much. Trying to, like, contort my body.

[B]

I get it.

[C]

I get it.

[B]

I get it.

[C]

I said, I'm not even having fun. I want to go to sleep. I'm sore. I get it. And not sore from what's going on.

[B]

Sore from, like, just all the rigamarole.

[C]

It was too much.

[B]

I get it.

[C]

I leave them to Meg and the five ten girls y' all got.

[D]

I won't be leaving anything on the table, personally.

[C]

So she gonna get picked up and thrown off the wall like a wet noodle.

[B]

Like a wet noodle.

[C]

Like a wet noodle.

[B]

Do you stick Jimmy.

[D]

I do.

[B]

I know that's right.

[D]

Period. I wish we could talk for three more hours.

[B]

Oh, my goodness. Can I just say, I'm so proud of y'. All. I'm a fan of the show. Y' all are amazing. Y' all are doing the thing. I've literally seen y' all navigate social media and all the things for, like. Like, the past three years now, and it's just super inspiring. I'm glad to be here.

[C]

Thank you. Thank you. And I want to say, Justin came through for us at the very last minute. We had a lot of scheduling hiccups, and we called him this morning. He said, yes, Let me get out the bed.

[D]

Without a doubt.

[B]

Put that tie on.

[C]

I said, okay. He threw them flowers in his pocket.

[D]

Justin made it here before us on time.

[B]

Virgo, period. Punctual. Very punctual.

[C]

Oh, I know. That's right.

[D]

Thank you so much for joining us. This has been such a treat.

[B]

Yes.

[D]

And tell the people what you got coming up. Cause you got some big things on the way, don't you?

[B]

I have some irons in the fire. Of course, 2026, you can expect some new music. I'm writing a musical myself, and I might be in a movie that's gonna hit the theaters in May 2026, so just keep your eyes out.

[D]

Can I be in the musical? I wanna be dena.

[B]

I. Actually, you need to be in a. I have you in a script for one of my videos.

[C]

Oh, that's so fun.

[D]

I love being selected.

[B]

Absolutely, yes, absolutely. So, yes.

[C]

I was always Eddie Murphy in Dreamgirls.

[B]

Jimmy won a rib.

[C]

I know that. Way to the top. I can do it. To this day, I won't do it right now.

[B]

Try that part, baby.

[D]

Round and round.

[B]

Why did she do that extra.

[D]

And can I just say that I always thought Effie was the villain.

[B]

What?

[D]

What?

[B]

Fatphobia.

[D]

I feel like she had an attitude from jump. She said she could never fit on the record.

[C]

Nobody had to say all that.

[B]

She said, why, Curtis? All you care about is her bony ass. Why would she say with an H?

[D]

That's what I'm saying. She was just doing too much, like Effie. You did actually have an attitude, though. No change.

[C]

If someone told me, turn the wigs around, I'd be mad too. Now you actually gotta do it.

[B]

Why?

[C]

We turn them wigs around.

[B]

Stupid, stupid, foolish.

[D]

All right, well, now we need to see you perform.

[B]

Absolutely.

[D]

Okay, so I need you to give us your one, give us your two, and show the people what you do. That was a Bar and I'm coming for your spot, boo.

[B]

Literally.

[D]

Yes. I was off the zone, period.

[B]

I love y' all so. I'm not perfect. I got a smart mouth but I can't fight, I don't stretch enough so my muscles always tight, I'm always right so trust me when I say I'm not perfect. I killed myself to be at the top of my class I rap like this because niggas didn't expect me to pass I'm not perfect, I'm not perfect I'm a Virgo, I try to be but it doesn't work Because I overthink my overqualified center judgment I went to private school but I'm always in public Black sheep talk proper didn't grow up around cousins I'm not perfect, I'm not perfect. Hey Booski, what's your sign? Your mama spit your ass out at a pivotal time My mama spit my ass out and I started to rhyme Miseducation of a butch queen Trying to find peace of mind A piece of the American pie. Cause I was born in a world full of queens in the sky so. Potty time, been dying to get my shit off I got a lift, you don't want to have a spit off I'm too 20 something and I'm outta control I cut a nigga off, he ain't my supermodel no mo catch it yeah still I'm on the print HP gumdrop buttons, niggas don't press me, they think they inferwerds but they don't impress me I don't got dogs, I only got pet peeves who we rap like Nicky, like Andre I vogue so down now they chanting Ms. Rahe I'm Butch queen supreme without the clothes I got many effects and still I'm hesitant to pose Duck, duck, walk or keep them on they toes Justin's pin be surely to make em fold I don't need your chips to dip in my guacamole Cause if you can't rap, get a burrito bowl, what's left? I rap right on tight beats I'm not his type and still he's saying he like me I'm like that I pull these niggas at light speed I'm like that I'm built strong like Magne I sat back, I bounce back, your mind blown, don't gag When I'm in a different time zone I'm done crying, I shine bright like rhinestones yeah, now you see it on iPhone the IG, the TikTok, the YouTube me going viral is something you should get used to. The dog's out. You don't got you a blues clue. Just log out. They tapping on me like tap shoes. I'm your class president veteran. Who better Damn Papa peach on Father Balenciaga and Residence 4.0 intelligence icon in development. This Justin. I'm president. Oh, excuse me. Yeah, you spell my name. J U, S T I, N. It's J U S T E, N. No. Well, it is important because like E is for extra texture. What you teaching today? Teacher? What is the lecture? Mike? Yeah, thanks to E N. Thanks. What you want one? What you want one? I could break it down any day of the month. I could break it down from the back to the front. Give it to you like huh? Give it to you like this Give it to you like this. Can I give it to you like this? Can y' all clap for me? Can you clap for me? Can you clap for me? I wanna serve it from the back for me. I said the Ricky tiki tiki ron da da wah wah yeah Ricky ticky ticket tick tick look oh for one which queen? There's two more trades and the three femme queens, they all broke down four vol femmes is tucking they meat so they can vote five elements right? Right now six got chopped seven just eight, nine like B. But say they straight they wanna kick him again they wanna me after get in my tens I like this 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 carbon copy and these bitches can't imitate Tell the story cause I wanna see you illustrate do your ones I don't wanna see you hesitate I ain't never had nobody show me all the things you can show me in the special way I feel with you Invite me to the test till I'm voguing out of breath and I kick a king a cat cat canoe. I'm the one. One, two, two, two Give me three motherfucker pose for me. I ate, I ate pussy Feminine what I ate cinnamon peckin it, get in it.

[C]

What y'.

[B]

Can I dominate the pussy? Can I combinate the pussy? You a bottom mama bottom. We can combinate the pussy. Can I do it like this? Like that? Do it like this, like that? Oh, what you want want? What you want want? I can break it down from the back to the front. I can break it down, give it to you like huh? Give it to you like I was sitting at the bar near the bathroom store. You started to stare at me and then I started thinking to myself as he's coming from over there. And I think this bitch must want me from the back to the ringy tikky tat tat tat tat. Yeah. Well, I'mma give it to the. Sam.

[C]

Thank y'.

[B]

All.

[D]

Thank you so much. Justin, that was tea. Thank you so much again for tuning in to Unhinged tomorrow, the Unplug series. Make sure you watch Justin on Fright Night, on Peacock, and of course, Stream Class president.

[C]

This is another episode of Unhinged. Moral.

[B]

I'm Mea.

[D]

And I'm Jama.

[C]

We'll see you guys in the next episode.

[B]

Bye, Sam.

[E]

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